Open Forum: February 18, 2017

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  1. Rabz

    Toss that ham in the fryin’ pan

    the lights are blinkin’

    I’m thinkin’

    It’s all over when I go out drinkin’ …

  2. C.L.

    The old Open Forum is missing. If you see it, contact the Hackett family or the media.

  3. Rossini

    Still awake and reading!

  4. Infidel Tiger

    Many many people must die.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    OPINION
    HRC continues on prideful and mean-spirited course

    The Australian
    12:00AM February 18, 2017

    Gillian Triggs and her staff have had many opportunities to admit their big mistakes and say sorry in the year since Queensland University of Technology students gained the advantage of aggressive lawyers, which resulted in the lamentable conduct of the Human Rights Commission being exposed in the public arena.

    The shabby treatment of the students is plain to anyone making an objective study of the facts. But Triggs and her advisers have never acknowledged their part in it.

    The taxpayer-funded body, which is required by statute to “investigate” formal complaints of racial hatred, played footsies with Cindy Prior, her lawyers and the university as those parties haggled over money for 14 months — but didn’t tell the students of the serious allegations levelled. They were unable to defend themselves against a charge they didn’t know existed.

    Since February last year, as the release of documents and The Australian’s reporting has put beyond doubt, Triggs and the commission have blame-shifted to QUT to avoid responsibility, and misled the media and even the parliament.

    But yesterday, Liberal senator James Paterson, who has studied the documents closely, cut to the chase after extracting a series of admissions. Surely, he asked Triggs, the students are now owed an apology?

    She admitted that as a result of the case the commission has now changed its procedures and “will never, ever” again fail to contact persons accused of racial hatred; that the young men have “suffered from this”; and that “things went badly wrong”.

    “Have you offered an apology?” Paterson asked.

    “But I can’t concede that the commission did anything wrong,’’ Triggs said.

    From the Oz.. SHUT IT DOWN
    FIRE THEM ALL!!!

  6. Richard

    Can I throw this out there.
    Imagine if electricity was free to the consumer, how much would productivity increase. Would the steel mills double or triple or more. Would a manufacturing explode in this country. It’s not really something that you can waste easily, if you’re consuming it something is turning or boiling or drying and so on. If the goal was to increase productivity, and the difference between installing the new bigger machine to create more comes down to the cost of its electricity supply there something wrong. Maybe I’m wrong, however I do know many that won’t install the new bigger faster machine because of its power consumption.

  7. classical_hero

    Before the controversy I had not heard of PDP before.

  8. C.L.

    The Guardian reports that Francis Bergoglio backs violence against Trump:

    Pope appears to back anti-Trump protests in letter condemning populism.

    Pope Francis has offered his unequivocal support to grassroots organisers and activists who are fighting for social justice, migrants, and environmentalism, saying he “reaffirms” their choice to fight against tyranny amid a “gutting of democracies”…

    The remarks can be viewed as a clear endorsement by the Argentinian pope of resistance against populist and xenophobic political movements. While he did not name Donald Trump, and stressed his remarks were not targeted at any individual politician, the letter, read at the opening of the US Regional World Meeting of Popular Movements in Modesto, California, seem to speak directly to protests against the Republican president…

    He offered praise to the activists who are organising in opposition to those threats. “I know that you have committed yourselves to fight for social justice, to defend our Sister Mother Earth and to stand alongside migrants. I want to reaffirm your choice,” he wrote.

    This is an explicit endorsement of street violence against the democratically elected President of the United States. It is also a declaration of loathing against all those peoples of the Western world who are rising up against the Islamic invasions of their nations and the violence and rape that follows.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    I pray each night this pope meets an untimely death.

  10. RobK

    From the Australian:
    Zuckerberg concerned about fake news
    RYAN WILKINSON
    Mark Zuckerberg has described his worry over the spread of fake news on the network he founded.

    It’s taken him this long to work that out? A giant among men.

  11. Top Ender

    Back home on an adrenaline high after doing multiple events for the 75th anniversary of the first raid on Darwin by Japanese air units in WWII.

    Big kahuna is on Sunday.

    Highlight today was seeing a WWII Hudson bomber gunner shake hands with the Japanese Ambassador to Australia, after a ceremony to dedicate a plaque to the submarine sunk with all 80 hands outside Darwin harbour.

  12. OneWorldGovernment

    Richard
    #2300028, posted on February 18, 2017 at 12:22 am

    Can I throw this out there.
    Imagine if electricity was free to the consumer, how much would productivity increase.

    Subsidising wind and solar is actual theft.

  13. Philippa Martyr

    Go to bed, internet. You’re drunk.

  14. Subsidising wind and solar is actual theft.

    I’ll stand corrected, OWG, but I think Richard is referring to cheap, baseload power.
    IE – Coal-fired generation.

  15. Bruce in WA

    From the old fred, re graffiti:

    If you haven’t yet been to BA, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

    Dunno, we’re just docking now.

    But some parts of Valparaiso would take a ton of beating. (Also where we were told to “get the fcuk out” of a street unless we wanted our throats cut …

  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Go to bed, internet. You’re drunk.

    Monstrous allegation! My good self, under the affluence of incahol! I’ll have you know I’m as jober as a sudge!

  17. Zyconoclast

    Quite night only 16 posts by 1:06am.

  18. Zyconoclast

    I pray each night this pope meets an untimely death.

    A timely death would be better.
    Right about now…

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Back home on an adrenaline high after doing multiple events for the 75th anniversary of the first raid on Darwin by Japanese air units in WWII.

    Darwin, in the early 1980’s, during the “Pitch Black” exercises, a local matron rang talk back radio – don’t know the station.

    “Did the Air Force have to fly Sunday afternoons” – she rather enjoyed “Shakespeare’s plays” on the T.V, at that time, and she couldn’t hear the T.V. for the noise.

    “Ma’am, may I suggest that you go down to the air terminal, look at the holes Japanese machine gun bullets left in the hanger walls in 1942, and then ask why the Air Force flies on Sundays.”

  20. Top Ender

    Thanks Zulu – am escorting Brian to a fair few events – he is a good egg.

  21. Rafe Champion

    What happened to economic rationalism? Interesting to find a 1993 book edited by three uni students Chris James, Chris Jones and Andrew Norton In Defence of Economic Rationalism. The book could be released again with minor changes in the Introduction by John Hyde.

    Searching for something about economic rationalism in Australia. From Newsweekly.

  22. OneWorldGovernment

    memoryvault
    #2300050, posted on February 18, 2017 at 1:05 am

    Subsidising wind and solar is actual theft.

    I’ll stand corrected, OWG, but I think Richard is referring to cheap, baseload power.
    IE – Coal-fired generation.

    memoryvault and Richard.

    Forgive me if my cryptic comment re wind and solar subsidy theft was denouncing what Richard said.

    I actually support Richard’s notion of free coal fired electricity and was merely trying to contrast that against the exorbitant cost we pay for useless wind and solar.

  23. Richard

    To one world government

    #2300047, posted on February 18, 2017 at 12:57 am
    Subsidising wind and solar is actual theft.

    I’m not referring to wind or solar, I am referring to proven stable reliable coal. In my mind I would like to see upgrades to our current coal-fired plants and new high energy low emission ultra-critical plants established everywhere, from where I sit right now I have moved 4 thousand tonnes of dirt from here to just over there in the last few hours. I have exposed a magical Black Rock that changed the world, in my opinion for the better. And there is definitely no shortage of that magical Black Rock. As I posted before the idea of free electricity to the consumer to increase productivity across the country. If I could I would love to see new high energy low emission stations built everywhere. The supercritical and ultra-critical closed circuit Boilerhouses around the world put even our most modern (Bayswater and Eraring) stations back in the age of Pac man and space invaders. As a 48 year-old boilermaker I’m happy to build the power stations pumping stations and pipelines. New power stations next to the current desalination plants would serve many purposes. Primarily run the desalination, if needed slow down pumping and send the power to the grid, furthermore capture the CO2 and run pipelines back out into deep water and release the CO2 through a diffuser. Just like I inject CO2 gas into my aquarium, the plants love it. With all that fresh water being produced please send it inland, I already have the dirt and the Sunshine.

  24. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet 2h2 hours ago

    Strange coincidence how Le Pen’s poll numbers rise for every night that this continues.

    VIDEO: French Police Flee Armed Mob as Week-Long Paris Riots Spread to City Centre
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/16/video-french-police-flee-armed-mob-paris-riots-spread-city-centre/

  25. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson Retweeted
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    Dear friends! I’m dangerously close to breaking the top 10 albums on the Billboard (huge) charts this Sunday!! I…
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  26. OneWorldGovernment

    Richard
    #2300066, posted on February 18, 2017 at 2:06 am

    To one world government

    #2300047, posted on February 18, 2017 at 12:57 am
    Subsidising wind and solar is actual theft.

    I’m not referring to wind or solar, I am referring to proven stable reliable coal. In my mind I would like to see upgrades to our current coal-fired plants and new high energy low emission ultra-critical plants established everywhere, from where I sit right now I have moved 4 thousand tonnes of dirt from here to just over there in the last few hours. I have exposed a magical Black Rock that changed the world, in my opinion for the better. And there is definitely no shortage of that magical Black Rock. As I posted before the idea of free electricity to the consumer to increase productivity across the country. If I could I would love to see new high energy low emission stations built everywhere. The supercritical and ultra-critical closed circuit Boilerhouses around the world put even our most modern (Bayswater and Eraring) stations back in the age of Pac man and space invaders. As a 48 year-old boilermaker I’m happy to build the power stations pumping stations and pipelines. New power stations next to the current desalination plants would serve many purposes. Primarily run the desalination, if needed slow down pumping and send the power to the grid, furthermore capture the CO2 and run pipelines back out into deep water and release the CO2 through a diffuser. Just like I inject CO2 gas into my aquarium, the plants love it. With all that fresh water being produced please send it inland, I already have the dirt and the Sunshine.

    Richard,
    I LOVE COAL AND STEAM.

  27. srr

    Paul Joseph WatsonVerified account
    ‏@PrisonPlanet

    My take away from Trump’s press conference is that CNN really hates being called “fake news”.

    It would be awful if we continued doing this.
    ..
    James O’Keefe
    ‏@JamesOKeefeIII

    James O’Keefe Retweeted Paul Joseph Watson

    Time to release tapes inside the media’s newsrooms. Soon. Very soon. #veritas
    _________________________

    …. and people are wondering why so many have gone so quiet all over the internet …. 😀

  28. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet 4h4 hours ago

    Chelsea Clinton ‘Horrified’ By Detention of Six-Time Deported Illegal Alien Domestic Abuser

    It turns out the “woman” whose detention by ICE Chelsea Clinton found “horrifying,” “sick” and “awful” only identifies as a woman and is actually reportedly a domestic abuser who has been deported six times.
    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56284

  29. OneWorldGovernment

    Mad eyed Bill McKibben has created some fundamentalists that push money into his 350.org mob.

    The fact is we should be looking for 700.org+

  30. None

    The Papal Organiser’s letter in full. As usual, the typical mish mash one can expect from the Argentinian. I love this statement:

    First, the ecological crisis is real. “A very solid scientific consensus indicates that we are presently witnessing a disturbing warming of the climatic system.”[6]

    Note 6 is a reference to his encylical Laudato Si, the catastrophist bureaucratic mish mash that does not cite one credible scientific source. Not one. The National Press Gallery could learn a few lessons on spin from the Vatican press office.

  31. Zyconoclast

    At least the LDP don’t call it climate change

    https://ldp.org.au/policy/energy/

    Global Warming

    Scientific evidence suggests that the Earth’s climate has changed throughout its existence, sometimes dramatically, and that changes in climate have impacted human civilisation. Much of human history has been subject to the effects of global warming or cooling – the origins of the Sumerian, Babylonian and perhaps also biblical stories of a great flood, for example, are probably due to a massive rise in sea levels following global warming 7,600 years ago.

    Global cooling from 1300 to 500 BC gave rise to the advance of glaciers, migration, invasion and famine. The Medieval Warm Period from 900 to 1300 AD led to the Vikings establishing colonies and trade routes.

    Whether human activity is causing climate change or not, the important issue is whether governments are capable of implementing policies that mitigate it without reducing the prosperity of future generations.

    Should the evidence become compelling that global warming is due to human activity, that such global warming is likely to have significantly negative consequences for human existence, and that changes in human activity could realistically reverse those consequences, the LDP would favour market-based options.

  32. OneWorldGovernment

    Why aren’t “scientists” and politicians telling us that if we drop below 200ppm CO2 then we are dead?

    Or is that their object?

  33. None

    He offered praise to the activists who are organising in opposition to those threats. “I know that you have committed yourselves to fight for social justice, to defend our Sister Mother Earth and to stand alongside migrants. I want to reaffirm your choice,” he wrote.

    I am not sure why C.L. bolded ‘Sister Mother Earth’ – that phrase comes straight from St Francis of Assisi’s Canticle of the Creatures, from which Jorge Mario Bergoglio ‘s encyclical Laudato Si’ draws its title.

    Praise be to you, my Lord [Laudato si’, mi’ signore], through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs

    .

    Assisi also gave the world ‘brother sun’ and ‘sister moon’. Jorge is just being a Catholic.

  34. None

    The best chance of sound and honest government returning to Australia will be the emergence of, if not a grand coalition, a ‘triple entente’ between Pauline Hanson, Cory Bernardi and a restored Prime Minister Tony Abbott. This is of crucial importance to the future of the nation.

    So says David Flint (who I suspect is the only one who recalls a ‘slim, beautiful figure’ in his first encounter of the Pauline kind). Let’s assume a restored Abbott. An Abbott -Bernardi coalition may be possible. But too many PHON policies are just too out there even for compromise.

    More importantly, I missed the news on this Turnbull triumph, in among the four furphies Flint debunks:

    First, if the Coalition is defeated at the next election, it will not be because of Cory Bernardi or Pauline Hanson. It will be because of Malcolm Turnbull and the bedwetters, and what they represent − a privileged, out-of-touch political class consumed by self-interest, too often lacking commonsense, owing allegiance to powerbroker lobbyists and in lock-step with Labor and the Greens. This latter failing is clear from their foolish and hypocritical adherence to a global warming orthodoxy. Although marginally better than Labor’s, this is already causing record electricity charges and the de-industrialisation of the nation. It is also manifest in Marxist social policies, such as foisting gender fluidity on infants and also by constantly targeting their own base. The latest example of the government’s deviation from principle is the revelation by Senator Hinch that it was none other than Turnbull himself who suggested the emasculation of the ABCC legislation, something Abbott would never have done. (More newsworthy surely than confected thespian thuggery at question time.)

    Turnbull really is a fwit.

  35. Crushing Barronelle So #LoveWins™:

    You have probably heard the news from Washington state:

    A Richland florist who refused to provide flowers to a gay couple for their wedding violated anti-discrimination law, the state Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

    The court ruled unanimously that Barronelle Stutzman discriminated against longtime customers Rob Ingersoll and Curt Freed when she refused to do the flowers for their 2013 wedding because of her religious opposition to same-sex marriage. Instead, Stutzman suggested several other florists in the area who would help them.

    “We’re thrilled that the Washington Supreme Court has ruled in our favor. The court affirmed that we are on the right side of the law and the right side of history,” Ingersoll and Freed said in a statement.

    Anyway, that’s that. Never mind that Stutzman knew her customer, Rob Ingersoll, was gay, and had been kindly serving him for a decade or so. In this story in the Christian Science Monitor, Ingersoll talks about how Stutzman, a gentle grandmother (I met her last year), broke the news to him:

    As part of the preparations, Ingersoll went to his favorite florist to ask her personally if she would handle the flowers.

    At that brief meeting, Stutzman reached across the counter and took hold of Ingersoll’s hand. He would later recall to Freed the words she used: “You know I love you dearly. I think you are a wonderful person, but my religion doesn’t allow me to do this.”

    In response to Ingersoll’s request for a referral, she suggested three local florists from among a dozen flower shops in the area. They talked a bit more, then hugged, and Ingersoll left the shop.

    So he went and got the ACLU on his side, and he sued the hateful hag. Because #lovewins™, or something.

    There is no alternative, politicized homosexuality needs to be smashed.

  36. classical_hero

    Will the case go to the Supreme Court?

  37. Yes, the lawyers said they would appeal the decision to SCOTUS but who knows whether they’ll take the case. Either way, politicized homosexuality must be crushed. And by ‘politicized homosexuality’ I don’t necessarily mean homosexuals, I mean the complex of persons, academic, legal, etc., that has politicized sexuality and use it as a cudgel.

  38. OneWorldGovernment

    dover_beach
    #2300086, posted on February 18, 2017 at 3:50 am

    ……. Either way, politicized homosexuality must be crushed. And by ‘politicized homosexuality’ I don’t necessarily mean homosexuals, I mean the complex of persons, academic, legal, etc., that has politicized sexuality and use it as a cudgel.

    And that is why the former liberal party of Australia must be crushed.

  39. Pope Francis has offered his unequivocal support to grassroots organisers and activists who are fighting for social justice, migrants, and environmentalism, saying he “reaffirms” their choice to fight against tyranny amid a “gutting of democracies”…

    Sorry, but to me it appears he’s supporting the tyranny of fringe groups against the clear will and interests of the people. He really is a disgrace.

  40. OneWorldGovernment

    dover_beach
    #2300088, posted on February 18, 2017 at 4:01 am

    Pope Francis has offered his unequivocal support to grassroots organisers and activists who are fighting for social justice, migrants, and environmentalism, saying he “reaffirms” their choice to fight against tyranny amid a “gutting of democracies”…

    Sorry, but to me it appears he’s supporting the tyranny of fringe groups against the clear will and interests of the people. He really is a disgrace.

    Where do I deliver my declaration of war?

  41. None

    There is no alternative, politicized homosexuality needs to be smashed.

    ……. Either way, politicized homosexuality must be crushed. And by ‘politicized homosexuality’ I don’t necessarily mean homosexuals, I mean the complex of persons, academic, legal, etc., that has politicized sexuality and use it as a cudgel.

    I call it the Gaystapo. And agree, it must be destroyed.

  42. Carpe Jugulum

    Where do I deliver my declaration of war?

    His Holiness, Pope Francis PP.
    00120 Via del Pellegrino
    Citta del Vaticano

  43. Tom

    In every little way, TrumpetyTrumpTrumpTrumpHitler is dismantling the Washington establishment and its sense of its own importance. Among his unscripted comments just now at the rollout of the Boeing 787-10 in Charleston SC: “I used to get paid big money to make speeches. Now I have to do it for free. It’s a bad deal.” And the Boeing wukkus are a’hootin’ and a’hollerin’ USA, USA about his jerbs.jerbs.jerbs, rolling back regulation and cutting taxes. The election campaign Trump began in 2015 still has years to run.

  44. Bruce of Newcastle

    There’s a report on the Queanbeyan fire this morning in the DT:

    Bushfires destroy up to 15 homes near ACT as heat and wind fan flames

  45. Tom

    Draining the swamp update:

    WASHINGTON—The Senate confirmed Scott Pruitt on Friday to be President Donald Trump’s administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, a move that kicks off in earnest Mr. Trump’s push to roll back Obama-era climate and environmental regulations.

    Mr. Pruitt, who was confirmed in a 52-46 vote, faced opposition from most Democrats, who said the nominee didn’t sufficiently satisfy their concerns about his connections to fossil-fuel companies in Oklahoma.

    Democrats have prolonged the confirmation processes for a number of Mr. Trump’s nominees with procedural tactics at the committee level and on the Senate floor, including Mr. Pruitt.

    But given Republicans’ 52-48 Senate majority, the Democrats’ tactics have failed to derail most of the nominees, including Mr. Pruitt. One Republican, Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, voted to oppose his nomination, but other Republicans voted in support, along with two Democrats from states with big fossil-fuel interests: Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota.

    Mr. Pruitt will officially be sworn in as EPA administrator at an event later Friday, according to a White House spokeswoman. As soon as next week, the Trump administration intends to issue directives scaling back high-profile EPA regulations, including a rule cutting carbon emissions from power plants and another bringing more bodies of water under federal jurisdiction, according to several people close to the administration. The White House spokeswoman declined to comment on the executive actions.

    Democrats are “deliberately asking for more documentation than they could ever truly want, just to further gum up the confirmation process,” said a spokesman for Mr. Pruitt.

    Mr. Pruitt is part of a coalition of about two dozen mostly Republican state attorneys general who sued the Obama administration over many of its environmental rules. He often joined lawsuits with energy companies that have also contributed to his campaigns to be attorney general.

    Mr. Pruitt’s backers say that shows he is representing his state’s interests and understands the challenges of industries affected by environmental regulations. To critics, his record shows a disregard for public health and an allegiance to deep-pocketed fossil-fuel companies.

    In an unusual move, almost 800 former EPA employees signed a letter to senators opposing Mr. Pruitt’s nomination. “Mr. Pruitt’s record and public statements strongly suggest that he does not agree with the underlying principles of our environmental statutes,” it says.

  46. notafan

    Pope Francis continues to consternate.

  47. classical_hero

    Leak hits two birds with one stone. He’s a genius.

  48. Des Deskperson

    “There’s a report on the Queanbeyan fire this morning in the DT:”

    The fires are about 20 ks away from Queanbeyan, nowhere near Johanna whom lives, IIRC, near the golf course east of the river.

    There are a sprinkling of ex-Camberran, ex senior APS ‘tree-changers’ in or near the affected area, if that’s any consolation.

  49. Entropy

    Richard
    #2300028, posted on February 18, 2017 at 12:22 am
    Can I throw this out there.
    Imagine if electricity was free to the consumer, how much would productivity increase. Would the steel mills double or triple or more. Would a manufacturing explode in this country. It’s not really something that you can waste easily, if you’re consuming it something is turning or boiling or drying and so on. If the goal was to increase productivity, and the difference between installing the new bigger machine to create more comes down to the cost of its electricity supply there something wrong. Maybe I’m wrong, however I do know many that won’t install the new bigger faster machine because of its power consumption.

    Consumption and investment would reflect the price.

    Power would eventually become unreliable, with regular brown outs produced from geriatric, dingy and rusty power plants, and my kids would always leave the lights on.

  50. calli

    Seven cementing its reputation as Australia’s non-govt “Fake News” arm by persisting in the “Trump Rant” meme.

    This morning a grinning red-headed lipsticked drain states that “Trump ranted for an hour”. They seem oblivious to the fact that the entire thing is readily available online.

    Hurtling towards irrelevancy one lie at a time.

  51. duncanm

    Today’s Leak tragically farcical rather than humorous…. but remains on the button.

  52. Des Deskperson

    “Seven cementing its reputation as Australia’s non-govt “Fake News” arm by persisting in the “Trump Rant” meme.”

    On Ten News last night, the only intermittently coherent and literate Sandra Sully told us the Trump’s ‘rant’ ‘had to be seen to be believed”.

    They then showed it and it was, of course, nothing of the kind.

    Ten News is just one long populist/progressive op-ed. Can any Cat familiar with TV news presentation practices tell me whether an anchorperson like Sully actually writes the stuff she reads, or is it pulled together by someone else, possibly some kiddie?

  53. Mark M

    Peter Hartcher is clueless:

    “How interesting that, of all the freedoms, benefits and comforts of the civilised world, the one that they (daesh, IS) should single out is air conditioning.”
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/malcolm-turnbull-is-full-of-hot-air-but-that-wont-power-the-country-20170217-gufr8v.html
    Whoa! Wait. What?
    John Kerry: Air conditioner, fridge gas, as big a threat as ISIS
    http://joannenova.com.au/2016/07/john-kerry-air-conditioner-fridge-gas-as-big-a-threat-as-isis/

  54. Tom

    Des, Sully’s scripts are written for her by kiddies in the Ten newsroom, which, of course, is a zombie swamp (great name for a band).

  55. Ellen of Tasmania

    For Dover (re: Barronelle Stutzman) –

    “As you may recall—it was quite a few months ago now—there were a number of causes célèbres involving evangelical bakers, florists, and photographers, who objected to being dragooned into celebrations of occasions that they did not want to celebrate. As I argued a number of times, the issue was not living in the same society with those we believed to be living immorally, or even doing business with them. The issue was doing the kind of business that required celebratory participation. In other words, the reason the controversies tended to surround the celebratory professions is that celebration is the point where evangelicals balked.

    Put another way, the baker was happy to make a birthday cake for the homosexual customer because helping to celebrate a birthday is not problematic. There is no issue of conscience when homosexuals have birthdays. The sticking point came when it was demanded that people of conscience celebrate the sin itself. In all the cases I know of, when it came to that sticking point, the person involved begged off politely. They simply demurred and found themselves in the world of lawyers.

    Now fast forward to what we are dealing with now. For reasons having mostly to do with divine providence, the shoe is on the other foot and progressives are freaking out. Notice that all the qualifications that evangelicals used to make are simply wadded up and thrown into an emotional blast furnace. Progressives are having themselves a hissy fit for the ages, and they do object to living in the same society with people who crossed them in any way. And it is not a matter of violating their consciences, which were cauterized a long time ago, but rather a matter of violating their feelings. Their feelings have not been cauterized. Their feelings have been pampered, fêted, flattered, and fed peeled grapes for several decades now. And we’ve got the tantrums to prove it.

    They have absolutely no commitment to the rights of those who differ with them. They want to ostracize, to banish, to shut down, or humiliate anyone who gets in the way of their agenda. Whether it is Ivanka’s clothing line, or the NFL threatening Texas with no more Super Bowls if they don’t fix their normal bathrooms pronto, or rioters at Berkeley, or fashion designers saying that they will not adorn Melania, or Airbnb insisting that its customers conform to their sexual ideology, or the GrubHub CEO who threatened to fire any workers who voted for Trump, we are faced with hostility across the board. They don’t distinguish between the wedding cake and the birthday cake. They simply want you gone.”

  56. Gab

    This morning a grinning red-headed lipsticked drain states that “Trump ranted for an hour”. They seem oblivious to the fact that the entire thing is readily available online.

    Most Australians are too dumb to go and look for themselves.

  57. Geriatric Mayfly

    There is something analogous about this report in the latest Private Eye, but I cannot quite put my finger on it. Calling for a friend.
    The gross pursuit of Grocer Heath
    When the Wiltshire Police officers turned up at the Eye offices last month to talk about Hell0, Sailor-type cartoons and photo bubbles that once ribbed Sir Edward Heath in the magazine more than 40 years ago, the visit would have been faintly comical had it not been such a waste of yet more police time and public money.
    It was a sign of the lengths those in Operation Conifer (cost so far: roughly ₤900,0000 are prepared to go to find something – anything – that might stand up wild accusations of historical child sex abuse, and worse levelled at the former Conservative Prime Minister. The pointless trawl through the Eye joke archive pales, however, against the way the Wiltshire force has diverted resources to investigate outlandish and discredited allegations of Satanic ritual abuse supposedly carried out by a VIP p***phile ring said to include the late Grocer Heath. (Continues)

  58. Leigh Lowe

    Today’s Leak tragically farcical rather than humorous…. but remains on the button.

    The Southpossum bottom lip is yuuuuge.
    I am fearful that someone might upset him.
    If that lip starts to quiver, I doubt the Richter scale will keep up.

  59. srr

    FULL SPEECH: President Trump Remarks at the Unveiling of the New Boeing 787 Dreamliner Aircraft

  60. calli

    Partying late again, Nota? Chuckle.

    If you wondered who writes the news copy, get a load of this. It’s the tag Seven is running on the presser story.

    Mixed reactions to the President’s bazaar news conference.

    😀

  61. Gab

    bazaar

    Illiterate dumbkins.

  62. calli

    Ahahah! They’ve corrected it!

  63. chrisl

    Am I allowed a midnight oil anecdote?
    In 1986 Iwas on The Trans-Siberian railway for a 72 hour trip. The carriage had 35 Aussies and Kiwis on board and one pilot in the Soviet Navy. He spoke no English and looked very very bored. I asked him if he would like to play chess,=. His eyes lit up. We played 15 times and he beat me every time .He was fantastic with an excellent defence. Except one game…
    I had a sony walkman and he was interested in it,asking how much it cost and so on. I asked if he would like to listen and I happened to hve Midnight oil 10,9,8… playing in there. So as he was listening to Peter Garrett pounding out The Power and the Passion he got distracted and started to lose. He threw the walkman away in disgust but it was too late. I won!
    Thanks Peter I

  64. Carpe Jugulum

    tell me whether an anchorperson like Sully actually writes the stuff she reads, or is it pulled together by someone else, possibly some kiddie?

    Unless she is reading off butchers paper written in crayons, then yes someone else writes that dross.

  65. pete m

    Des, I would not be consoled with any destruction of a person’s property by bushfire, even if they are rabid greenie ex APS.

  66. notafan

    Nearly 10.30 pm here Calli.

    Got to get up early to organise a wine tour tomorrow.

  67. calli

    Good story chrisl.

    I wonder if Ed Sheeran would have the same effect on my grandson? He’s getting very good and will soon be beating me unless I take steps.

  68. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet 4h4 hours ago

    Mass immigration is wonderful. Only racists would oppose it.

    https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/832643554937753606
    _________________________

    France.

    Victorians have been seeing a lot of practice runs for this.

  69. Thank you, Ellen. I have a lot of time for Doug Wilson and he is absolutely right on this matter.

  70. Mike of Marion

    Leigh Lowe
    #2300122, posted on February 18, 2017 at 8:08 am

    Can’t be anyone we would normally recognise from Leak’s cartoon.

    His cartoon is depicting “2 staff at the AHRC Port Hedland office”!

  71. Des Deskperson

    “Des, I would not be consoled with any destruction of a person’s property by bushfire, even if they are rabid greenie ex APS.”

    Pete M, I was referring – sarcastically – to the following post on the previous Open Forum:

    “.. if bushfires are razing the homes of Canberran public servants, I am seriously happy.”

    I was in the middle of the January 2003 fires in Canberra. i don’t want to see anyone’s house burn.

  72. B Shaw

    More disheartening news of this present Pope.

  73. srr

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage 5h5 hours ago

    It’s nice to say the ‘right’ things, be popular and get invited to parties in London.
    This is not UKIP. We must be a radical force.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/832635745651171328

  74. srr

    B Shaw
    #2300144, posted on February 18, 2017 at 8:39 am

    More disheartening news of this present Pope.

    However, there is something great about the installation of that man into that position –

    he is inspiring people of Christian faith to search their own hearts and search God’s Living Word, and make their own free will choice between simply being a ‘big club member’, a ‘churchian’, or taking up their cross and fighting The Good Fight.

  75. calli

    Thanks, Dover. Just had a quick look at Carroll’s lecture on heaven and JT commentary.

    He doesn’t get it because he doesn’t know who God is. He’s taken his own decay into the perfect realm and wonders why there’s no satisfaction.

  76. The fires are about 20 ks away from Queanbeyan, nowhere near Johanna whom lives, IIRC, near the golf course east of the river.

    Thanks for that, Des.
    I must admit to being a little concerned.
    Johanna is one of our more colourful contributors.

  77. Denny Burk, a Southern Baptist theologian and pastor, gave expert testimony in the Baronnelle Stutzman case. Here he reflects on what it means. Excerpt:

    When I was first asked to give testimony, I thought my role as an SBC pastor and seminary professor would simply be to enter into the record what Southern Baptists believe about marriage. But that is not at all what it turned out to be.

    For an entire day, I sat across the table from attorneys representing the Washington Attorney General and the ACLU (two different attorneys because Ms. Stutzman is being sued by the state and by the gay couple that she was once friends with). These attorneys didn’t merely ask me what Southern Baptist believe. They tried to show that what Southern Baptists believe amounts to invidious discrimination.

    I had to defend not only our denomination’s statement of faith (The Baptist Faith and Message) but also resolutions passed by our denomination going back 30 and 40 years. It was hostile questioning intended to discredit what Southern Baptists believe about marriage. They wanted to discredit us so that they could discredit her. And make no mistake, once they succeed in punishing her, others will use this precedent to punish the rest of us—and not just Southern Baptists but any person who dares to act on their belief that marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

    This is important for traditional Christians. It might be more important than you think it is. The ACLU, most of the media, the legal establishment, the Democratic Party — they all hate us. I mean, hate us. If Barronelle Stutzman were a Muslim, we never would have heard of this story. She is a Southern Baptist, therefore she must be destroyed. To paraphrase Terry Mattingly, the Grand Unified Theory here is: The Religious Right Must Lose.

    This is just as true in Australia and why we must resist any attempt to redefine marriage.

  78. Snoopy

    That makes it easy.

    In an unusual move, almost 800 former EPA employees signed a letter to senators opposing Mr. Pruitt’s nomination. “Mr. Pruitt’s record and public statements strongly suggest that he does not agree with the underlying principles of our environmental statutes,” it says.

    Do it, Pruitt.

  79. calli

    It will be redefined, regardless of our resistance, Dover. If not this year or next, then some time soon.

    It will boil down to individuals here like Baronelle, standing firm on what they know to be right. I can see it looming for me, and sadly it has the potential to divide the family. I just hope that when the time comes I will have the wisdom to deal with it.

  80. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson ‏@PrisonPlanet 5h5 hours ago

    Saudi Arabia just deported 40,000 Pakistani Muslims, citing terror concerns.

    Where are all the protests, lefties?


    Saudi Arabia has deported a staggering 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers in the span of just four months, citing terrorism concerns.

    The Saudi Gazette reported last week that “a number of Pakistanis were held in the crimes of drug trafficking, thefts, forgery and physical assault.” Authorities feared that some of the migrant workers were linked with ISIS, or as the Saudis call the terror group, Daesh. Other migrants were deported due to expired residency and work permits.

    “Against this backdrop, Abdullah Al-Sadoun, chairman of the security committee of the Shoura Council, called for thoroughly scrutinizing the Pakistanis before they are recruited for work in the Kingdom,” added the Gazette. “He asked for more closer coordination with the concerned authorities in Pakistan to thoroughly check those coming to work in the Kingdom due to the involvement of a number of Pakistanis in security issues.”

    While the Kingdom has long exported the jihadist ideological cancer of Wahhabism to mosques and Islamic centers across the West, it has prided itself in its effort to rid the homeland of terrorists threatening to undermine the stability and sovereignty of the monarchy.

    Gee, how come it’s NOT O.K. for Western Sovereign Nations to care for their people just as that Muslim Sovereign Kingdom cares for itself … 😡

  81. B Shaw

    Yes, srr. Thanks for pointing that out.
    My one and only letter to a newspaper was in support of our parish priest who had some temperate words to say regarding same-sex marriage, years ago; his message was ruthlessly edited, when he appeared on the television show.
    A letter is a small thing, but we need to speak out.

  82. Grigory M

    Are the hamsters located in Sydney? They seem a bit water-logged this morning?

  83. C.L.

    I am not sure why C.L. bolded ‘Sister Mother Earth’ – that phrase comes straight from St Francis of Assisi’s Canticle of the Creatures,

    I bolded it because in the mouth of a warmist loony it’s heathen nonsense.

  84. It will be redefined, regardless of our resistance, Dover. If not this year or next, then some time soon.

    It certainly maybe redefined, but we must resist it all the same in whatever way we can.

  85. Huck

    Grigory M
    #2299757, posted on February 17, 2017 at 6:24 pm
    Ah, pissface – nice of you to wave. What are you and piddle-pants up to tonight? Snatch is not gonna be happy with your new dalliance.

    B Shaw
    #2297783, posted on February 15, 2017 at 8:26 pm
    To Baldrick

    Clearly, you’ve been poorly raised, writing to a woman (at 6.54pm): “F… off c……d”.
    I will laugh at whatever comments I choose to laugh at.
    You should get over that.

    There could be many people here who think you’re clever . . .
    But I think you’re a pissface.

    Nah, not a sockpuppet, no way.

  86. C.L.

    Tunbull rushes to defend “kind” media professionals from Trump:

    “A very great politician, Winston Churchill, once said that politicians complaining about the newspapers is like a sailor complaining about the sea,” he told reporters in New Zealand.

    “There is not much point. That is the media we live with and we have to get our message across and we thank you all in the media for your kind attention.”

    Donald Trump wasting his time complaining about media coverage, Malcolm Turnbull says.

  87. “There is not much point. That is the media we live with and we have to get our message across and we thank you all in the media for your kind attention.”

    This guy is the opposite of winning. A complete coward. And a turd.

  88. val majkus

    In 1986 Iwas on The Trans-Siberian railway for a 72 hour trip. The carriage had 35 Aussies and Kiwis on board and one pilot in the Soviet Navy. He spoke no English and looked very very bored. I asked him if he would like to play chess,=. His eyes lit up. We played 15 times and he beat me every time .He was fantastic with an excellent defence. Except one game…

    nice story chrisl! Often wanted to do that trip!

  89. Gab

    It’s so gratifying to see Trumball sucking up to the media. Such a brilliant demonstration of sycophantic obsequiousness.

  90. Snoopy

    Pauline should try sucking up to the media. It’ll work a treat.

  91. Leigh Lowe

    “There is not much point. That is the media we live with and we have to get our message across and we thank you all in the media for your kind attention.”

    Keep feeding those crocodiles, idiot.

  92. Entropy

    It certainly maybe redefined, but we must resist it all the same in whatever way we can.

    Just another nail in the legitimacy of the state.

  93. Makka

    Saudi Arabia has deported a staggering 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers in the span of just four months, citing terrorism concerns.

    Pakistan’s economy is heavily reliant on remittances from Saudi and the Gulf. This is probably happening in all GCC states. Saudi could round up troublemakers in a few weeks. If they took this long then the softly softly approach might mean an ongoing purge. Several months from now we can expect more political and social strife in (nuclear) Pakistan as the money spigot is squeezed harder.

  94. srr

    And the bloody Textorites and their puppets in parliament, think we’re all too stupid to understand why we back Trump against Them

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    ‏@realDonaldTrump

    The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

  95. Andrew

    Woeful! Turnbull displays, again, his uncanny ability to completely misread the prevailing opinion and make exactly the wrong pronouncement. Potential Greatness delayed once more! Sad.

    At least he can negotiate with cross benches, outline an economic vision and deliver lower taxes.

  96. Indeed, Gab, and what has this ‘sycophantic obsequiousness’ actually given Turnbull? Nothing. He is just blowing hobos for free. Forgive the smut, but this guy is just peverse.

  97. Baldrick

    Huck – Grigory M and B Shaw aka Chester and Spike.

  98. Gab

    Turnbull has the political judgement of Julia Gillard.

  99. Andrew

    Ah, pissface – nice of you to wave.

    You haven’t heard it before? It’s a perfectly cromulant word.

  100. Nick

    Well spotted Huck. There are a few more I’m sure. Often there is a post with the immediate poster being the puppet, posting an affirmation. Quite sick.

  101. Nick

    Trunchpole can suck all he likes. It won’t save him.

  102. B Shaw

    To Huck

    That post belongs on another thread. You are being an ignorant busybody
    bringing it to this one, where serious matters have been discussed.
    Bruce of Newcastle, who enjoys considerable respect here, has written some words about juvenile accusations, such as yours. Scurry back . . . . and check.

  103. Denise

    I took part many years ago and in another country in protests against SSM as well as Parliamentary submissions and newsletters and pamphlet drops. Frightful abuse and the threatened violence restrained only by (then) sympathetic police.

    We knew we weren’t going to win against the Zeitgeist but we had to draw a line in the sand. And must continue to do it. Even when it involves beloved family members.

    At first the push was for making the lifestyle normative. Now it’s to declare its superiority. And for the right to kidnap our children through adoption.

    They covet what we have. It’s hatred of the good for being good as Ayn Rand pointed out tho’ in a different context as she was rabidly anti-Christian.

  104. Rabz

    Trumbles the Waffler is Gillard minus the ill fitting clothes, the wit and the intelligence.

  105. Carpe Jugulum

    At least he can negotiate with cross benches, outline an economic vision and deliver lower taxes.

    Champagne Comedy 🙂

  106. C.L.

    Funny, isn’t it, that Turnbull believes rogue journalists should simply be ignored; no point complaining. On the other hand, he believes citizens should be subject to legal action, bankruptcy, public humiliation and imprisonment for breaching 18c. A despicable clown.

  107. Leigh Lowe

    Did Channel 7 do a story on Trumps bazaar spelling eras?

  108. That performance by Trumble reminds me of Johnny Fontane in The Godfather but, sadly, there is no one in the Liberal Party to straighten him.

    BTW, could supporters of Trumble please given themselves an uppercut this morning? Thank you.

  109. Makka

    PHON will win 15% plus of the vote. Barnett is winning back support because he’s cuddling up to ON.

    “Liberal and Labor are polling neck-and-neck in Western Australian but there’s still a 7.3 per cent swing towards Labor.It’s a boost for the Liberals, who were trailing Labor 48-52 a month ago, according to a ReachTEL poll of more than 1650 voters published in The Weekend West.The swing to Labor leaves it short of the 10 per cent it needs to win power.Opposition leader Mark McGowan remains the preferred premier, leading Colin Barnett 53-47. But this gap has closed from 56-44 a month ago.

    Support for Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party has increased slightly to 11.1 per cent.

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/state/2017/02/18/liberal–labor-face-tight-race-in-wa–poll.html#sthash.myddizIV.dpuf

  110. john constantine

    Now the cat troll has laid out his Germanic homo-erotic cannibalism fetish, the disturbing possibility arises that we aren’t witnessing a return to obsessive/compulsive sock puppet trolling behaviour, but that we get to see actual submissives pandering to the Love Cannibal to become cooked human flesh.

  111. Grigory M

    Sandra Sully was alright in her younger days, when she was the political-reporter-in-residence at Parliament House in Sydney. The male pollies and reporters thought she was hot stuff and fawned immensely over her. I didn’t see it actually happen, but – if she had stepped outside into the rain they’d have been falling over themselves to cover puddles with their coats.

  112. Nick

    This morning a grinning red-headed lipsticked drain states that “Trump ranted for an hour”. They seem oblivious to the fact that the entire thing is readily available online.

    Last night, Ch7 showed what was a rational and calm Trump say that the media would report his speech as a rant. Without any sense of shame, that’s exactly what Seven did after having showed the clip. Trump also made some salient points, eg, had it been he who had received questions before the recent debates, people would be calling for the electric chair.

    However, despite the medias’ whining, you know they are wrong when all they can really get Trump on is his assertion that he had the biggest electoral college result since Reagan.

  113. Bruce in WA

    At least he can negotiate with cross benches, outline an economic vision and deliver lower taxes.

    He couldn’t negotiate with a Balinese street seller, outline a circle in a coloring-in book, or deliver a bloody pizza!

  114. Des Deskperson

    “I must admit to being a little concerned.
    Johanna is one of our more colourful contributors.”

    MV, there’s the Googong Dam – capacity 121,083 ML – between the fires and Johanna

  115. candy

    I think M. Turnbull is treated very nicely and respectfully by the media. He’s a cut above Gillard/Abbott/Shorten, with his cultured, refined manner and diction, and art/music tastes, his wealth, big home on the Harbour etc. I think they are a little in awe of him, very supportive.

    I don’t see any sarcasm/abuse/made up stories about his younger life etc to slur him about him anywhere. He’s treated very nicely indeed.

  116. incoherent rambler

    Turnbull has the political judgement of Julia Gillard.

    TLS – 3 new cracks in TV screen
    Trumble – 5 new cracks in TV screen

    Clearly worse than TLS.

  117. Nick

    Huck, I think your point just got proved.

  118. Gab

    According to Trumballs facebook page, he abolished the travel gold pass this week. I don’t believe that to be true.

  119. Andrew

    In an unusual move, almost 800 former EPA employees signed a letter to senators opposing Mr. Pruitt’s nomination. “Mr. Pruitt’s record and public statements strongly suggest that he does not agree with the underlying principles of our environmental statutes,” it says.

    I don’t get it – are the fur it or agin it??

  120. Grigory M

    Whoa – pissface, you slut – the boys are handing you around this morning. It’s like watching the Cronulla Sharks at a bonding session in New Zealand.

  121. Andrew

    However, despite the medias’ whining, you know they are wrong when all they can really get Trump on is his assertion that he had the biggest electoral college result since Reagan.

    And that was all they have, so that’s all they’re talking about.

    Why did he ruin the event with that stupidity?

  122. MV, there’s the Googong Dam – capacity 121,083 ML
    – between the fires and Johanna

    Fair enough, Des.
    I can go back to worrying about our cat.

  123. I don’t see any sarcasm/abuse/made up stories about his younger life etc to slur him about him anywhere. He’s treated very nicely indeed.

    Of course the media treat him nicely, Candy.
    He’s in the process of implementing the Greens agenda, which they endorse.

  124. Denise

    Or at least against the Christianity she perceived as having collaberated with overarching government to steal her family’s property.

  125. Grigory M

    To P
    Fuck off

    P ?? – You’ve got cabin fever, Huck – you need to let go of the dead mans hand for a while – put the brakes on. 😉

  126. lotocoti

    Can any Cat familiar with TV news presentation practices tell me whether an anchorperson like Sully actually writes the stuff she reads, or is it pulled together by someone else, possibly some kiddie?

    Hugh Rimmington did the story, so he would’ve written the intro too.
    A producer may have sexed it up a little.

  127. Nick

    From the Oz:

    Ms Abdel-Magied said some Muslim societies had emerged from “colonial oppression” and ­reacted against this when told how to behave. “Hating on the hijab gives Muslims who are feeling the colonialism hangover more of a reason to believe in an ‘us versus them’ narrative,” she says.

    Strange, that the Abdel-Magied family should migrate to a place founded on the principles of Colonialism and its freedoms.

  128. Rev. Archibald

    dover_beach
    #2300086, posted on February 18, 2017 at 3:50 am
    Yes, the lawyers said they would appeal the decision to SCOTUS but who knows whether they’ll take the case. Either way, politicized homosexuality must be crushed. And by ‘politicized homosexuality’ I don’t necessarily mean homosexuals, I mean the complex of persons, academic, legal, etc., that has politicized sexuality and use it as a cudgel.

    ..
    If you don’t want to do your very best to serve all customers, don’t open a shop on the high street.
    If you oppose gay marriage, debate and challenge it through the political process.
    Don’t bring your briskness into it by discriminating against your customers.
    You are supplying cakes, flowers, venues or limousines.
    You are not supplying guns, ammo, abortion services or nerve gas.
    Just bloody serve your customers and shut the fuck up about your religion.
    If you want to provide a boutique quasi- religious cake or flower service, don’t open a shop to the public.

  129. incoherent rambler

    said some Muslim societies had emerged from “colonial oppression” and ­reacted against this when told how to behave.

    like “don’t bomb innocent civilians in the market place!”

  130. Rev. Archibald

    When you put that sign on the front door facing the street that says “open” you do more than say you want to make money off providing a service to people you like and agree with.
    You say that these premises are open to the public.

  131. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    From The Oz. Ayaan Hirsi Ali pointing out that sharia law isn’t all soft and fluffy.

    Yassmin Abdel-Magied, an Islamic activist, has been paid by the Australian government to visit countries such as Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Qatar, it is said, “to promote Australia”. Far from offering criticism of the misogynistic sharia laws on the books in those countries, Abdel-Magied recently stated that Islam is “the most feminist” of all religions. Confronted with the abuses that are committed against women in the countries she visited, Abdel-Magied replied: “I’m not going to deny, some countries run by Muslims are violent and sexist, but that’s not down to sharia. That’s down to the culture and the patriarchy and the politics of those … countries.”

    That is absurd. Abdel-Magied fits into a familiar pattern, where the government of a free society such as Australia invests a considerable sum in an individual or a group in the hope that the person is a “moderate” Muslim and will advance the assimilation of their Muslim minority through constructive engagement. Then the supposed moderate the government has invested in is exposed as a closet Islamist, in this case sympathetic to sharia law. The government is left red-faced. Others simply see red.

    In a televised exchange on ABC, Australian senator Jacqui Lambie challenged Abdel-Magied’s views, holding that those who support sharia law should be deported from Australia. Remarkably, the televised debate was followed by a demand for an apology by the ABC from a collective of 49 Muslim scholars, lawyers and self-appointed individuals who claim to speak for all Australian Muslims. The petition alleged “Islamophobia” and criticised ABC host Tony Jones for not upholding the “values of respect and fairness” and for failing to provide a “safe environment” for Abdel-Magied.

    Yet what set of principles is less safe for women than sharia? As a moral and legal code, sharia law is among the most dehumanising, demeaning and degrading for women ever devised by man:

    • Under sharia law, a woman’s testimony is worth half of a man’s testimony in court (Koran 2:282).

    • Under sharia law, men are the “guardians” of women; women are to be obedient to men, and husbands may beat their wives for disobedience (Koran 4:34).

    • Under sharia law, a woman may not refuse sexual access to her husband unless she is medically incapable or menstruating, a teaching based partly on Allah himself saying in the Koran, “Your women are a tillage for you; so come unto your tillage as you wish” (Koran 2:223)

    • Under sharia law, a woman inherits less than a man, generally half as much, again based on holy writ: “Allah enjoins you concerning your children: the male shall have the equal of the portion of two females” (Koran 4.11, 4.12).

    • Under sharia law, men and women who commit fornication are to be flogged. As to the punishment for fornicators, the Koran says: “Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment” (Koran 24:2).

    • Under sharia law, a man may unilaterally divorce his wife through talaq, whereas women are limited to divorce either under specific circumstances, such as the husband’s impotence, or with the husband’s consent and payment of a certain amount of money (khul).

    • Sharia law permits fathers to contract binding marriages for their children so long as they are minors; and although a boy married against his wishes may exercise his power to divorce his wife unilaterally once he matures, a girl’s exit from such an unwanted marriage is much more difficult.

    • Under sharia law, the custody of children is generally granted to ­fathers, and mothers lose custody if they remarry because their attention is supposed to go to their new husbands.

  132. Grigory M

    sock-puppets

    As I have said to a higher authority – it’s a persistent notion.

  133. alexnoaholdmate

    It’s taken him this long to work that out? A giant among men.

    Well, yes, RobK.

    But remember – to Zuckerberg, it isn’t about whether the news is made up or untrue. It’s about whether it meets his narrative.

    Even if the story is backed up by all the empirical facts in the world, it’s still “fake news” if it doesn’t support that narrative.

    Or alternatively, it isn’t fake news, even if it’s made up over a drunken Christmas dinner, if it confirms what Zuckerberg and his ilk already know to be true. Then it’s “fake but accurate.”

    Case in point – the Time Magazine weasel who scooped he world press with the story that the racist Trump had removed a bust of Martin Luther King from the Oval Office. It wasn’t true. At all.

    Did Zuckerberg or anyone else take steps to make sure this story was quashed? Of course not.

  134. Denise

    Yes we get it Rev, you’re a teacher.

  135. Rabz

    failing to provide a “safe environment” for Abdel-Magied

    That’s the ALPBC for ya. As well as being a hotbed of wife bashers, poor li’l mouthy bag heads can’t even feel safe from being savaged live on a televisual feast by feral Tassie slappers.

    It needs to be shut down, toot sweet.

  136. Rev. Archibald

    Yes we get it Rev, you’re a teacher.

    ..
    ..
    Yes, Sarge
    .

  137. You say that these premises are open to the public.

    No. A sign in a shop window is merely an “offer to trade”, not a contractual obligation to do so.

  138. Rev. Archibald

    Denise.
    Try offering arguments, rather than personal attacks.
    It is an area ripe for argument.
    Try to put yours in order and deploy them.

  139. srr

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted
    ExMuslim TV ‏@ExMuslim_TV 24h24 hours ago

    “A religion with a way in but no way out,
    is a prison, not a religion.”

    Rachid, Moroccan #ExMuslim

    https://twitter.com/ExMuslim_TV/status/832371150747361280

  140. srr

    The Truth About Immigration and Crime in the Netherlands
    Stefan Molyneux

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnC5-M7PhQ

    Feb 17, 2017

    Much like with Brexit (United Kingdom’s European Union Referendum) and the United States election featuring Donald Trump – Immigration has taken center stage in politics worldwide. On March 15th, 2017, the Netherlands will decide it’s future when it holds it’s parliamentary elections which have been highlighted by current Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte and Party for Freedom’s Geert Wilders.

    Sources: [at video link above]

    The Truth About Crime
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVBJ5

    IQ and Immigration | Jason Richwine and Stefan Molyneux

  141. cynical1

    Pauline should try sucking up to the media. It’ll work a treat.

    I’d imagine Abbott is still kicking himself over missing that tactic.

    He could still be PM…

  142. Grigory M

    “offer to trade”

    “invitation to treat”

  143. H B Bear

    Turnbull has the political judgement of Julia Gillard.

    Pleeeese I will not have Australia’s Greatest Fabian criticised in this way. The Slapper delivered yuugely for her union paymasters. Australian IR laws were taken back to the 1970’s within months and the NDIS is already being used as the excuse to raise taxes to be skimmed off by their union maaates.

  144. calli

    It is an area ripe for argument.

    The customers, if I recall correctly, wanted a cake decorated with an affirmation of SSM. Not just any generic wedding cake.

    If I owned a T-shirt business and a customer wanted me to screen print something lewd onto it, I would refuse to do so, and refer them to other businesses.

    I have done that in my own business when a potential customer has requested something that I knew to be wrong eg. preparing a report that makes false claims.

  145. I’d imagine Abbott is still kicking himself over missing that tactic.
    He could still be PM…

    Proving once again the old adage that every cloud has a silver lining.

  146. Rev. Archibald

    Grigory M
    #2300235, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:12 am
    “offer to trade”

    “invitation to treat”

    ..
    Shops commonly have price tags on goods.
    It goes beyond and invitation to treat.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Pauline should try sucking up to the media. It’ll work a treat.

    I’d imagine Abbott is still kicking himself over missing that tactic.

    He could still be PM…

    Abbott was a journalist. You’d think people would be ashamed of saying that, but he wasn’t.

    Tells you much about him.

    Bad judgment.

  148. Dr Faustus

    Trump spent 1:17:00 calmly explaining to the White House press corpse who, how and why it was actually betraying the American people with fake news – and invited an hour of free-form questioning. No lube, and the finest political reporters on Earth took it all like beatches.

    Several hours later the reinforcements arrived:

    Late-night hosts skewer Donald Trump’s news conference

    This must be what Turnbull meant with his wise advice to leave the media alone.

  149. “offer to trade”
    “invitation to treat”

    Forgive me for putting it into layman’s language.
    Not everybody here is a commercial lawyer – including me.

  150. Neil

    Abbott was a journalist. You’d think people would be ashamed of saying that, but he wasn’t.

    So was Winston Churchill

  151. lotocoti

    I didn’t see it actually happen, but …

    She is one of the nicest people you might hope to meet.
    Although the abduction thing very nearly broke her.

  152. Infidel Tiger

    I see that violent and abusive drunkard Peter Fitzsimmons is calling for a “sugar tax” because he has lost weight.

    I guess we should be grateful he didn’t give up wanking.

  153. Geriatric Mayfly

    Let’s hope it is just a mischievous rumour. Arctic ANDAntarctic sea ice at record low. If even remotely accurate, we will never hear the end of it from the ABC. Flotillas of Greenies and academics will swarm the high latitudes to hyperventilate, poley bears will die and we will get no peace at all.

  154. Shops commonly have price tags on goods.
    It goes beyond and invitation to treat.

    No it doesn’t. The price tag again is merely an offer to trade, or for the pedants, an invitation to treat. If the price tag is wrong there is no obligation to sell the item at the incorrect price.

    The one proviso is that it is not a deliberate ploy to trick the customer.

  155. Nick

    Tells you much about him.

    Given he and Trunchpole have the same tactic, it says all we need to know about the Liberals.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shops commonly have price tags on goods.
    It goes beyond and invitation to treat.

    F.E. Smith, Lord Bikenhead got quite poetic on the subject “(A price tag) is an invitation to treat, nothing more, and a shopkeeper would be quite entitled to turn out of his shop anyone who demanded that the goods be sold at the price on display.” (I’m not sure as to the exact wording, it was thirty years ago I “did the course.”)

  157. The customers, if I recall correctly, wanted a cake decorated with an affirmation of SSM. Not just any generic wedding cake.

    If I owned a T-shirt business and a customer wanted me to screen print something lewd onto it, I would refuse to do so, and refer them to other businesses.

    ..
    These things should be bounded by common sense, decency and the normal give and take required to exist in a society.
    We all want to be able to enter a shop and get treated decently.
    We would all like to start a business and not be subject to a political campaign of lawfare.
    I don’t think anyone should be being sued because they refuse service on religious grounds.
    But I do believe when you open a business to the public you should use your common sense and realise the general public includes an awful lot of morons you are likely to disagree with.

  158. B Shaw

    Every cloud has indeed a silver lining 🙂

    ……………………………………………………………………………

    The sock-puppet finger-pointing by the feeble-minded
    is more than “a notion”.
    It can spoil contributions. They are pests.

    Sure, the accusers are silly, attention-seeking old biddies . . . but they ought to make a choice.
    On offer, is a prayer to the Holy Spirit, or I can whip their sorry arses.
    Any
    day
    of
    the
    week

  159. B Shaw

    Peter Fitzsomething
    Why mention him

  160. H B Bear

    Grooglery I hope you are washing your little sock friends at the end of the day and not just leaving them soiled on the floor for the robo vac to deal with while you chase it around pretending it is playing hard to get.

  161. Rev. Archibald

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2300249, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:22 am
    Shops commonly have price tags on goods.
    It goes beyond and invitation to treat.

    F.E. Smith, Lord Bikenhead got quite poetic on the subject “(A price tag) is an invitation to treat, nothing more, and a shopkeeper would be quite entitled to turn out of his shop anyone who demanded that the goods be sold at the price on display.” (I’m not sure as to the exact wording, it was thirty years ago I “did the course.”)

    ..
    If you want to go all legal and technical, rather than common sense and accepted practice, then you have to accept that the law contains a whole bunch of anti- discrimination provisions.
    What they did was illegal.
    Are you sure the legal technicalities route is the way you want to go to win this argument?

  162. Bruce of Newcastle

    We all want to be able to enter a shop and get treated decently.

    I thought Ms Stutzman treated her prospective customers very well, and very courteously.
    They didn’t return that courtesy.
    Gay fascists.

  163. Grigory M

    Shops commonly have price tags on goods.
    It goes beyond and invitation to treat.

    No ‘marm – “invitation to treat” is what it is, legally – the customer is offering to buy at the specified price and there is no contract to sell/purchase until the seller accepts the customer’s offer.

    Dot Esq. would have already covered this very early in Contract Law 101.

  164. OneWorldGovernment

    The former liberal party of Australia, starting with Malcolm Fraser and his appointed Treasurer, John Howard, have been all downhill for nearly 50 years.

    Look at the f*wits they have appointed as leader.

    Peacock,
    Hewson,
    Howard,
    Abbott
    Turnbull.

    The liberal party has not existed since Menzies.

    And the so called national party is a pale imitation of it’s former origins from the Country Party.

    No wonder One Nation, Conservative Party, etc are gaining immediate acceptance.

  165. Carpe Jugulum

    When you put that sign on the front door facing the street that says “open” you do more than say you want to make money off providing a service to people you like and agree with.
    You say that these premises are open to the public.

    No i don’t, free trade means i can, and have, refused clients for many reasons.

    If you want me to build you a rotunda for your gay wedding i will decline as that it not what i am prepared to build or put my name on.

    If you want the state to compel me then i am no longer trading freely, if you want the state to compel me by legislative process then i will jack the price up and put such a high margin on the build you will break into a sweat just looking at the quote. And, to ease my conscience i’ll set up a shelf company so i am not the principal contractor but an agent of the principal and subby the whole thing off and take all the cream on top without the builders guarantee.

  166. Nick

    I see that violent and abusive drunkard Peter Fitzsimmons is calling for a “sugar tax” because he has lost weight.

    I give him a break on the drunkeness. Imagine coming home to crag face each night.
    As to a sugar tax, it’s interesting hearing someone like Pirate Pete rabbiting on about the freedom of choice and Liberty for individuals, that a Republic would bring, wag their fingers and promote the opposite, in the form of a sugar tax among others.

  167. What they did was illegal.

    True – another dumb, Big Brother law.

    Are you sure the legal technicalities route is
    the way you want to go to win this argument?

    Sorry, Rev, but you’re the one who first tried to make a legal case out of it.
    The rest of us have merely been responding to your posts.

    Let’s settle on “it’s the law but it’s dumb”, and leave it at that.

  168. C.L.

    Abbott was a journalist.

    Well, he penned some pieces for the old Bulletin.

  169. Marcus

    PHON will win 15% plus of the vote. Barnett is winning back support because he’s cuddling up to ON.
    “Liberal and Labor are polling neck-and-neck in Western Australian but there’s still a 7.3 per cent swing towards Labor.It’s a boost for the Liberals, who were trailing Labor 48-52 a month ago, according to a ReachTEL poll of more than 1650 voters published in The Weekend West.The swing to Labor leaves it short of the 10 per cent it needs to win power.Opposition leader Mark McGowan remains the preferred premier, leading Colin Barnett 53-47. But this gap has closed from 56-44 a month ago.
    Support for Pauline Hanson’s One Nation party has increased slightly to 11.1 per cent.
    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/politics/state/2017/02/18/liberal–labor-face-tight-race-in-wa–poll.html#sthash.myddizIV.dpuf

    Well, I said a few months ago that authenticity was the most precious commodity in politics, and that might give Barnett an edge because at least he has some while Mark McGowan (for all the adoration that the media lavishes upon him) has none. If this poll is even close to being accurate (and apparently, allocating the undecided gives the Barnett government a three-point lead) then McGowan’s status as Australia’s Ed Milliband will be officially confirmed.

  170. Rev. Archibald

    Sorry, Rev, but you’re the one who first tried to make a legal case out of it.
    The rest of us have merely been responding to your posts.

    ..
    No I didn’t.
    I applied logic and common sense.
    If you are a cake shop, bake the bloody cake.

  171. Mike of Marion

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2300261, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Isn’t “meshed stockings and tutu” Downer on that list too?

  172. Marcus

    I see that violent and abusive drunkard Peter Fitzsimmons is calling for a “sugar tax” because he has lost weight.

    Now, I just know that someone’s going to point out to Fitzy that if he can lose weight without a sugar tax being in place, then other people can too … right?

  173. H B Bear

    OWG – you forgot Alexander Downer. Thus proving the adage that no bad how things are they can always get worse.

    The first couple of Howard terms were OK before he reverted to his natural big spending government as he was required to buy a couple of election victories with the taxpayer cash that was flooding in. That level of spending would now be seen as severe austerity by mUnty types.

  174. Huck

    The sock-puppet finger-pointing by the feeble-minded
    is more than “a notion”.
    It can spoil contributions. They are pests.

    No, Grigory, Septimus, you and the rest of the population of the sock drawer make this place very hard going.
    Fortunately, you’re not half as smart as you think you are and eventually give a tell which gives the game away.
    And as for kick my arse, you’d need to drink a slab or two of Light Ice to even contemplate having a crack.

  175. Uh oh

    memoryvault
    #2300150, posted on February 18, 2017 at 8:55 am

    I must admit to being a little concerned.
    Johanna is one of our more colourful contributors.

    Perhaps Lizzie has had her smited.

  176. Nick

    Now, I just know that someone’s going to point out to Fitzy that if he can lose weight without a sugar tax being in place, then other people can too … right?

    Marcus, sigh, Pirate Pete is an alpha plus, as well as being a sage like social better. As such, he can achieve such feats. Our social inferiors such as bogans, well, they need to be told what to do and coerced.

  177. H B Bear

    Emperor Barnett seems to have perked up from complete hangdog to merely surly based on the 10 second 6pm news grabs that now constitute modern j’ism. If reports of leaked internal party polling are correct he is finished.

  178. Carpe Jugulum

    I applied logic and common sense.
    If you are a cake shop, bake the bloody cake.

    Ok, but it’s going to be a $10, 000 cake, plus transport costs.

    Quality, ingredients and freshness is not guaranteed as i will have subbied the whole thing off.

    Bon appetiet

  179. Rev. Archibald

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2300258, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:31 am
    We all want to be able to enter a shop and get treated decently.

    I thought Ms Stutzman treated her prospective customers very well, and very courteously.
    They didn’t return that courtesy.
    Gay fascists.

    ..
    Let’s assume that the customers were in the very tiny minority of gays who genuinely want to get married, rather than activists out to make a point. Subsequent events make that unlikely.
    Refusing them service is, in that case quite hurtful. Specially as they were regular customers.
    Now let’s assume they were activists wanting to make lawfare.
    Just baking the cake or supplying the flowers is the prudent thing here.
    You open a shop you deal with the general public, who stink.

  180. calli

    Also bogans have no self-control, unlike the Iron-Willed Bandana. They are an inferior species and must be punished for their indulgence in life’s little pleasures.

    Tax them into submission!

  181. Louis

    Actually Carpe there are plenty of people supporting gay marriage because they know they are going to make a killing out gay weddings. The wedding industry is already a bloated (profit rich) industry. Gay weddings will see a spike in that.

    And the government already do legislate to whom you can refuse to sell. Both State and Federal have anti-discrimination Acts that would apply without amendment to those refusing services to gay weddings. Best of luck getting these government bodies accepting your complaint that someone refused you service because you were white, Australian or a straight male though. Somehow they always seem to find a reason to dismiss those kinds of complaints.

  182. Rev. Archibald

    I’m bored with this argument, and not sure I even agree with myself.
    Bake a cake and get paid,
    Don’t bake a cake and get sued.
    I don’t give a shit.
    No more correspondence will be entered into on this matter.
    You can all get fucked.

  183. Joe

    If you are a cake shop, bake the bloody cake.

    And if they had just asked for a cake, they would have got it.
    If you want a cake just ask for it. Keep your bloody sexuality out of a commercial transaction.

  184. Marcus

    Marcus, sigh, Pirate Pete is an alpha plus, as well as being a sage like social better. As such, he can achieve such feats. Our social inferiors such as bogans, well, they need to be told what to do and coerced.

    I suppose you’re right.

    What’s truly depressing is that we still can’t rule out him being made Australian of the Year one day, or getting an AM for services to literature.

  185. Rev. Archibald

    In fact, you can all get fucked, sued, baked and iced.

  186. C.L.

    gays who genuinely want to get married

    It’s not possible for homosexuals to “genuinely” want to get “married.”
    It’s only possible for them to want to pretend to get married.

  187. Louis

    So apparently Waleed let his elitism mask slip on air the other day, from what I see on Facebook. Which surprised me because it was a story being shared by normally left leaning people.

  188. calli

    I’ll put that on a T-shirt for you, Rev. With an “*” in the appropriate spot.

  189. Nick

    From Zulu’s link above:

    That is absurd. Abdel-Magied fits into a familiar pattern, where the government of a free society such as Australia invests a considerable sum in an individual or a group in the hope that the person is a “moderate” Muslim and will advance the assimilation of their Muslim minority through constructive engagement. Then the supposed moderate the government has invested in is exposed as a closet Islamist, in this case sympathetic to sharia law. The government is left red-faced. Others simply see red.

    Bingo. I’d love to see such an honest appraisal of where we are today further discussed in the media, knowing it won’t.

  190. OneWorldGovernment

    Mike of Marion
    #2300269, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:40 am
    Isn’t “meshed stockings and tutu” Downer on that list too?
    and
    H B Bear
    #2300271, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:42 am

    OWG – you forgot Alexander Downer. Thus proving the adage that no bad how things are they can always get worse.

    The first couple of Howard terms were OK before he reverted to his natural big spending government as he was required to buy a couple of election victories with the taxpayer cash that was flooding in. That level of spending would now be seen as severe austerity by mUnty types.

    Agree I left off Downer but the same as I left off Brendan Nelson.

    And Howard introduced the RET very early.

  191. Grigory M

    And as for kick my arse

    Yeah, Huck – yawn – please don’t wave your chicken at me while you’re chokin’ it.

  192. Snoopy

    If this poll is even close to being accurate (and apparently, allocating the undecided gives the Barnett government a three-point lead) then McGowan’s status as Australia’s Ed Milliband will be officially confirmed.

    God, I hope so. If Barnett wins, my $25 investment on Trump will become $880.

  193. Carpe Jugulum

    Refusing them service is, in that case quite hurtful. Specially as they were regular customers.

    In fact, you can all get fucked, sued, baked and iced.

    Thank you for the pearls of wisdom and an insight into your business acumen.

    You would make a great minor functionary or lower level minion.

  194. Nick

    What’s truly depressing is that we still can’t rule out him being made Australian of the Year one day, or getting an AM for services to literature.

    We know we have reached peak stupid when his bandanna is seen as a sign of head gear based solidarity with donkeys such as Abdel-Magied.

  195. Rev. Archibald

    Grigory M
    #2300292, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:54 am
    And as for kick my arse

    Yeah, Huck – yawn – please don’t wave your chicken at me while you’re chokin’ it.

    ..
    And you had been so good over the last 24 hours, (aside from the multitude of socketry) then you blew it.
    Learn to self- censor. Like me.
    I delete half the stuff I write before I post it.
    That’s right.
    The stuff I post is actually after deleting the most stupid stuff.

  196. Marcus

    Emperor Barnett seems to have perked up from complete hangdog to merely surly based on the 10 second 6pm news grabs that now constitute modern j’ism. If reports of leaked internal party polling are correct he is finished.

    Well, yes, but both versions can’t be true, and the ReacTEL poll has the virtue of being consistent with most other polls taken over the past year.

    Also, it instinctively feels right. I work in an office in a safe Labor electorate. Julia Gillard was so on the nose four years ago that people would come in virtually every day, talking about how much of a screw-up she was and how they were waiting for her to be gone. I’ve heard maybe one guy complain about Barnett, and he seemed equally turned off by Labor. If the state Libs were really facing a 14-point Campbell Newman-like wipeout, I just get the feeling that we’d be sensing a lot more anger out there.

    Not that a seven-point swing isn’t significant. It would represent the Libs losing a lot of skin, which is what you’d expect after eight years and tough economic times. But it does keep them in the game, and I think it reflects the truth that if people are tired of the government, they’re not exactly falling over themselves to vote for Labor either.

  197. H B Bear

    Nelson can be excused. Most Lieborals were still in a state of shock after being thrown off the Ministerial taxpayers tit.

  198. Rev. Archibald

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2300294, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Thank you for the pearls of wisdom and an insight into your business acumen.

    You would make a great minor functionary or lower level minion.

    ..
    I ran my own business for a while.
    Mobile car mechanic.
    Did alright.
    Did not need to refuse service at any point.
    Made profit enough to live on.

  199. Rev. Archibald

    I also ran a servo for a while.
    We ran some taxis out of it.
    That thing bled money left, right and centre.

  200. Huck

    Grigory M
    #2300292, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:54 am
    And as for kick my arse

    Yeah, Huck – yawn – please don’t wave your chicken at me while you’re chokin’ it.

    See Grigory, you’ve been in such a sock puppet frenzy this morning that you’ve forgotten which name you posted which comment under.

    You posted the “kick my arse” threat under the name of your Shaw puppet.

  201. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But it does keep them in the game, and I think it reflects the truth that if people are tired of the government, they’re not exactly falling over themselves to vote for Labor either.

    About the best summation of the situation. Barnett’s been there eight years, the masses want a change, and Carmen Lawrence, Brian Burke, and Peter Dowding who showed that a Labor Government couldn’t run a sack race, are long ago and far away.

  202. Grigory M

    Learn to self- censor. Like me.

    Pedagogues – can’t help ’emselves – always telling other people what to do.

  203. Rev. Archibald

    Don’t pretend like you weren’t a revolting teacher’s pet and dobber.

  204. Makka

    Barnett’s been there eight years, the masses want a change, and Carmen Lawrence, Brian Burke, and Peter Dowding who showed that a Labor Government couldn’t run a sack race, are long ago and far away.

    I don’t think though that the numbers are quite there yet to dislodge the Libs. Lots of distrust out there for the filth and young voters don’t give a fk. I think the Libs will squeak home but Barnett will be gone one way or another.

  205. Grigory M

    Yawn again, Huck – Grigory M posted no such comment – but, you did – and that made Grigory M ROFL.

    How’s the chicken?

  206. Huck

    Fuckwit.
    I was making the point that the threat was made under the Shaw name, yet you made a pathetic comeback to my response as Grigory.
    I never said that it was posted under your Grigory nom.
    Can you read for comprehension?

  207. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think the Libs will squeak home but Barnett will be gone one way or another.

    For someone who was elected leader of the Liberal Party, when Alan Carpenter called the election, hoping to catch the Liberals on the hop, I don’t think Barnett’s done such a bad job, but he does have the unfortunate knack of appearing arrogant. Telling those of us who lost houses in the Toodyay bushfire, that we were wasting our time suing Western Power (who were found to have caused the fire) and we should be rebuilding, and getting on with life, wasn’t his finest hour.

  208. Fisky

    I don’t think though that the numbers are quite there yet to dislodge the Libs. Lots of distrust out there for the filth and young voters don’t give a fk. I think the Libs will squeak home but Barnett will be gone one way or another.

    Barnett still has a shot, but they absolutely have to hang electricity costs and crime on Labor.

  209. Denise

    Rev. Archibald
    #2300282, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:50 am

    I’m bored with this argument, and not sure I even agree with myself.
    Bake a cake and get paid,
    Don’t bake a cake and get sued.
    I don’t give a shit.
    No more correspondence will be entered into on this matter.
    You can all get fucked.

    Ok we won’t get personal.

    I’ve formulated the arguments now as per your request and will put them out there whether you read them or not.

    Opening a shop or business does not give the public open slather as any hotel entrance sign will indicate. The problems in the past were people downgrading businesses by wearing thongs, wifebeaters, being drunk and disorderly. The owners’ property rights meant they could forbid this. Now there are other challenges. Property owners dare not put out signs forbidding same because their shops would be burnt down or them bankrupted.

    No where does it say that patrons are obliged to give their religious affiliations, political beliefs etc before getting service. The gays could just have asked for a wedding cake without the commentary though of necessity would have to provide their own plastic couple at the top. If they really really wanted a cake from that baker. Or asked a Muslim baker to do the cake, if it was mere principle involved. Or even ask for a pork belly sandwich at a halal restaurant. Christians correctly identified the request to be aimed at them personally.

    When you became a teacher it was probably under very different conditions than you have now. Are you happy to have to promote social engineering? I left banking after 26 years when ‘capitalist’ was surreptitiously removed from the mission statement and the banks started encouraging people to go into unsustainable debt. As well as promoting all sorts of SJ garbage that had nothing to do with banking. They had changed, I hadn’t and the changes were no longer compatible with my worldview. It was extremely difficult to take this step vocationally and economically. So I have skin in the game.

    From a Biblical perspective, The Hebrew midwives refused to drown the Hebrew children and they were commended for their ‘civil disobedience’. In Acts we are told we should obey God rather than men. The Bible says no homosexual will ever enter the kingdom of heaven; how could we help someone celebrate the worst possible thing they could do in the light of eternity? Government according to Romans should be a terror to evil (defined in Romans 1, 2 and 3 and Revelation 22) but is now actively becoming a terror to good.

    One of the wonderful principles of the West is freedom of choice. The ssm spruikers are free to go elsewhere.. Just as any anyone wanting to have their heads shaved into mohawks are free to go elsewhere if the hairdresser objects. I won’t be going into a Muslim or Dhooish shop anytime soon to demand they provide me with bacon rashers, because it’s their shop. Remember when a man’s home was his castle? Same with his business. Just the old sin of Cain rearing its ugly head, coveting and then killing. I bet the ssm couple chose the baker because they wanted to make an example of her. Whatever it takes, eh?

  210. Rev. Archibald

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2300294, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:56 am

    ..
    And when your main contribution is a weekly auction of arseless chaps, you should be more modest in your judgement of others.

  211. Perhaps Lizzie has had her smited.

    I doubt very much that the Doomlord has smited Johanna, Uh Oh.
    I haven’t heard of any professor’s homes being firebombed recently.

  212. Grigory M

    Fuckwit

    Manners please, Huck. 😉

    your Grigory nom

    I thought it was “nym” – but, anyhoo – Grigory M is the only nom/nym that I have.

    Maybe Grigory M should upgrade his advice to the Higher Authority – “persistent notion” is actually “total delusion”. Many here are affected by it – but what can one do?

  213. srr

    Rev. Archibald
    #2300279, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:48 am

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2300258, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:31 am

    We all want to be able to enter a shop and get treated decently.

    I thought Ms Stutzman treated her prospective customers very well, and very courteously.
    They didn’t return that courtesy.
    Gay fascists.

    ..
    Let’s assume that the customers were in the very tiny minority of gays who genuinely want to get married, rather than activists out to make a point. Subsequent events make that unlikely.
    Refusing them service is, in that case quite hurtful. Specially as they were regular customers.
    Now let’s assume they were activists wanting to make lawfare.
    Just baking the cake or supplying the flowers is the prudent thing here.
    You open a shop you deal with the general public, who stink.

    Rev. Archibald
    #2300282, posted on February 18, 2017 at 10:50 am

    I’m bored with this argument, and not sure I even agree with myself.
    Bake a cake and get paid,
    Don’t bake a cake and get sued.
    I don’t give a shit.
    No more correspondence will be entered into on this matter.
    You can all get fucked.

    Swap gay for Muslim.

  214. Roger

    Then the supposed moderate the government has invested in is exposed as a closet Islamist, in this case sympathetic to sharia law.

    Why would anyone be surprised that a young woman who takes every opportunity to publicly identify as a Muslim and never appears in public without a head covering would be sympathetic to sharia law? Hello?

  215. Rev. Archibald

    Swap gay for Muslim.

    ..
    Well, they are here now.
    You think anyone in their right mind would make a big deal of refusing them service, lawfare or not?
    Bugger.
    I said no more correspondence will be entered into on this matter.
    Sort it out amongst yourselves.

  216. Huck

    nom de plume
    ˌnɒm də ˈpluːm/
    noun
    noun: nom de plume; plural noun: noms de plume
    an assumed name used by a writer instead of their real name; a pen-name.
    “she is better known under her nom de plume of Daniel Stern”

    Fuckwit.

  217. stackja

    President Trump’s Weekly Address
    So as you head into the President’s Day weekend, the American people should know that we are working tirelessly on your behalf. We are not here for the benefit of bureaucrats, consultants, or pundits—we are here to work for you, and only for you, the American people.

    Thank you, God Bless you and God Bless America.

    President’s Day/Washington’s Birthday – Wikipedia
    Washington’s Birthday is a United States federal holiday celebrated on the third Monday of February in honor of George Washington, the first President of the United States, who was born on February 22, 1732. It can occur on the 15th through the 21st of February inclusive.

  218. Baldrick

    Actually Carpe there are plenty of people supporting gay marriage because they know they are going to make a killing out gay weddings. The wedding industry is already a bloated (profit rich) industry. Gay weddings will see a spike in that.

    Bollocks. Homo-Hoedown’s have nothing to do with getting married. I’d be surprised if anything like 25% of them would take the plunge and marry.

  219. incoherent rambler

    they’re not exactly falling over themselves to vote for Labor either.

    Interesting to compare with the federalis. You are right the JEG lost an election, the LNP did not win. People voted against JEG rather than for the LNP. Much like Mal at the moment.
    Idi Amin or Mugabe could win the next election against Tumble.

  220. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I think the Libs will squeak home but Barnett will be gone one way or another.

    Be interesting to see the future of the Nationals – quite a few of us, in the boonies, are just “so over voting National.”

  221. P

    And when your main contribution is a weekly auction of arseless chaps, you should be more modest in your judgement of others.

    And what a massive job he does each Monday night. Thanks from me and I guess many for his contributions.
    He is a gentleman which I also appreciate.

  222. Grigory M

    Huck – “Fuckwit” is your nom de plume? Colour me unsurprised. And yet, here on the Cat you choose to use “Huck” as your nym.

  223. Stimpson J. Cat

    I see that violent and abusive drunkard Peter Fitzsimmons is calling for a “sugar tax” because he has lost weight.

    That ridiculous fat f☆ck needs serious jailtime for bringing piracy into disrepute.
    Absolute disgrace.

  224. I’d be surprised if anything like 25% 2.5%
    of them would take the plunge and marry.

    FIFY

  225. Stimpson J. Cat

    Huck – “Fuckwit” is your nom de plume? Colour me unsurprised. And yet, here on the Cat you choose to use “Huck” as your nym.

    Grigsie pay attention as I am trying to help you and this is important.
    I have both a reason and an excuse for talking to myself.
    Why do you do it?

  226. srr

    Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii 4h4 hours ago

    Judicial Watch Planning to Sue FBI, NSA, CIA for Flynn Records

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/16/judicial-watch-planning-sue-fbi-nsa-cia-flynn-records/

  227. stackja

    The First Book of Moses: Called Genesis

    2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
    2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
    2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my
    flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
    2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

    The Second Book of Moses: Called Exodus

    20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

  228. Roger

    ‘”When Gen. Michael Flynn was forced to resign as national-security advisor, Bill Kristol purred his satisfaction, “If it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state.”‘

    Pat Buchanan on the criminal conspiracy behind Flynn’s fall.

  229. Tom

    Associated Press of America — one of the most rabidly anti-Trump media activists during the 2016 election campaign — has just been caught making shit up to damage the Trump administration. Here is the latest version of an AP “exclusive” — now thoroughly debunked — which was designed to scare people by claiming TrumpHitler was conducting an “an aggressive militarisation” of border security by calling in the National Guard:

    The White House distanced itself Friday from a Department of Homeland Security draft proposal to use the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants, but lawmakers said the document offers insight into the Trump administration’s internal efforts to enact its promised crackdown on illegal immigration.

    Administration officials said the proposal, which called for mobilizing up to 100,000 troops in 11 states, was rejected, and would not be part of plans to carry out President Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration policy.

    If implemented, the National Guard idea, contained in an 11-page memo (http://apne.ws/2l1Dj0k ) obtained by The Associated Press, could have led to enforcement action against millions of immigrants living nowhere near the Mexican border. Four states that border on Mexico were included in the proposal — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas — but it also encompassed seven states contiguous to those four — Oregon, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Oklahoma, Arkansas and Louisiana.

    Despite the AP’s public release of the document, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said there was “no effort at all to utilize the National Guard to round up unauthorized immigrants.” A DHS official described the document as a very early draft that was not seriously considered and never brought to Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly for approval.

    RTWT

    I would love to see the original version of the story before AP got its arse kicked.

  230. stackja

    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump hours ago
    The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

  231. Grigory M

    Huck – since you’re into comprehension, here is some assistance with internet jargon:

    What is a nym?

    A nym (pronounced NIHM and a shortened form of “pseudonym,”) is a name invented by or provided for an Internet user in order to conceal the user’s real identity and, in some cases, to expressly create a new and separate Internet identity.

  232. srr

    Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii

    Dear Media,

    America is buying what Trump is selling.
    The evidence is EVERYWHERE except your jacked up #FakeNews and #FakePolls.
    ..
    Trump is unique because for the past 30 years, no one has seen a Republican with balls.
    ..
    The winning is bordering on obscene. Joy Villa looking at having the #2 album on Billboard:

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