Background on the alt-right

I have to admit that I have not been keeping up to date with the alt-right so for the benefit of others who are wondering, here is a rather wordy piece explaining some of its pedigree.

After the prehistory there is a very powerful defence of capitalism against the hard and soft forms of intervention which are both likely to end up at the same destination.

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87 Responses to Background on the alt-right

  1. jupes

    Who is this clown?

    He links Trump to Nazism then comes up with this alternative:

    What is the alternative to right and left Hegelianism? It is found in the liberal tradition, summed up by Frederic Bastiat’s phrase “the harmony of interests.” Peace, prosperity, liberty, and community are possible.

    Yeah right, trying spreading that hippy bullshit while importing a million Muslims a year.

    Fucking clueless.

  2. Fisky

    I agree with the overall thrust of the article, especially on the disreputable origins of the alt-right. Unfortunately, there is no going back to a neutral liberal state, not after the Left’s total corruption of state institutions. We need a kind of Alt-Lite, seeking to build a state based on partisan anti-Leftism and suppression of Leftists, not unlike the setup in Hungary under the leadership of Viktor Orban.

  3. Driftforge

    While the article reads as a ‘I’m trying to scare people out of this by referring to bogeymen of the past’, some of the elements seem correctly sourced.

    No idea about the Hegelian roots; I’ll chase that up with some of the more well read folk. Carlyle is certainly in there though, although the more widely read works are his later ones.

    It was kind and amusing for the blogger to try and excuse Darwin his Darwinism.

    But the nature of the alt-right is not to be particularly disturbed by all of that. They’ve had enough of being called every -ist under the sun; they don’t care anymore. I think defining people as -ists by nature, making the -ism inescapable tipped the popular response over the edge.

    So the effect of such a piece is mostly going to be to give those looking a little deeper some sources to read.

    But most of the alt-right is just counter-cultural populism. Those aspects of reaction which aren’t populist generally try to keep some distance from it.

    There is stuff like the 16 points over at Vox Day, which is openly an attempt to provide some backbone to the movement and seems to have largely been agreed, minor quibbles aside:

    The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
    The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
    The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
    The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.
    The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
    The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
    The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
    The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
    The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
    The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
    The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
    The Alt Right doesn’t care what you think of it.
    The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
    The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
    The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
    The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

  4. Ellen of Tasmania

    What Is The Alt-Right? | Vox Day and Stefan Molyneux

    (I don’t think those who identify as ‘alt-right’ all agree on what it actually is, so it’s worth looking at a few different sources. It would be interesting to ask some of them if they agree with the description in that article.)

  5. hzhousewife

    While the article referred to makes my brain fuzz, the one underneath about Money Macks is vastly entertaining. Thanks Rafe !

  6. Driftforge

    Can’t find anything on Hegel favourably at UR or Social Matter. Curt Doolittle also seems not to base his work from there. Nothing favourable at Xenosystems either. Not sure there is much else anywhere.

    Thing is, there just aren’t that many ‘thinkers’ in the Alt-Right. None of the above references are techinically Alt-Right, although they would be considered aligned in some way.

    I’ll ask around a few of the guys who are better read than I am.

  7. .

    We need a kind of Alt-Lite, seeking to build a state based on partisan anti-Leftism and suppression of Leftists

    No thank-you. Turns out you weren’t joking about Pinochet being a great human being.

  8. Dr Fred Lenin

    So I asume anyone who is alt right is not of the consevative left ? Liberals and republicans ,corrupted by left wing r]termites like turnbull and macain . The name says it all ” All Right ” that explains it .Another one is “Populist ” I assume that means Popular ,unlike turnbulls left they arent popular ,nor are shortasses commos or the groins ,looks like the all righters are winning .

  9. Driftforge

    We need a kind of Alt-Lite, seeking to build a state based on partisan anti-Leftism and suppression of Leftists, not unlike the setup in Hungary under the leadership of Viktor Orban.

    I think there is a substantive truth in this; leftism is parasitism, and must be rooted out whereever it is found. The problem is that Rightwards is more like ‘Away from the civilisational collapse that is the end goal of leftism’; every different group of people head off in a different Right, and then tend to fight over differences in what Rightward means rather than coming together at every point to eliminate leftism.

    Liberalism institutionalised acceptance of leftism as a valid position. Turns out you can’t do that and retain civilisation. So yes, people are reaching around to find some basis that is resistant to leftism, and the alt-right is at least temporarily providing a functional rear-guard action in defence of Western Civilisation.

  10. Fisky

    Pinochet, Orban, that guy in Poland. All great leaders.

  11. Driftforge

    Decius on the end of constitutionalism

    Again, Decius probably wouldn’t identify as alt-right. But this is the way of those who are actually thinking about the situation as it stands and how to proceed.

    It very much matters what is the likely outcome of a loss; that is, what are the stakes. Caesarism is worse than constitutionalism. But Caesarism—if Caesar be ours and not theirs—is manifestly not worse than foreign conquest, slavery, or techno-totalitarian tyranny. A prudent man may prefer Caesarism on precisely the ground that Pinkoski suggests in his closing remarks: that, by ensuring a measure of continuity, Caesarism may support the continuance of serious thought by a serious few (especially if Caesar calls off the dogs of the professorate, the corporate media blob, the victimhood industrial complex, and the Voluntary Auxiliary Thought Police).

    By maintaining, even in degraded form, our civilization, Caesarism may nurture just enough fertile ground for the green shoots of thought eventually to foreshadow a genuine philosophic spring. Presumably Pinkoski is not saying that the only moral course—the only non-defeatist, non-collaborationist course—is resignedly to accept a replay of the Fifth Century and all that followed?

    On the other hand, if the outcome of defeat is something much graver than Caesar—if we are truly facing a Saguntum situation—then the Saguntum response is the only choice. We should wish that the flame of the West not be extinguished. We should do everything in our power to prevent that flame from being extinguished. Yet we cannot guarantee that it will not be extinguished. The superiority of nobility to baseness “shines forth particularly when the noble is destroyed by the base.” But unless there are eyes to witness, record, and transmit the shining, the act of resistance redounds only to the individual conscience. That’s not a reason not to resist to the end. It is a reason to think through all alternatives carefully.

  12. Fisky

    I fully agree that the Constitution needs to be supplanted by Caesarism, and have argued for some time that right-wing legal scholars should abandon originalism in favour of partisan enforcement of right-wing policy preferences by judges. We shouldn’t even bother trying to square judicial rulings with the law, just decide what the right-wing thing to do is, and brutally impose our will on the Left.

  13. JC

    LOL

    So all legal arguments should delve into what is the best rightwing position on any given legal issue!
    I love you like a red headed stepchild, Fisky.

  14. Rafe Champion

    Dupes you don’t have to agree with everything or indeed anything in that piece but the classical liberal/libertarian agenda a la Bastiat is not bullshit. We have to offer more than just resistance to the left, and our positive agenda needs to have depth. Hence the Friedman Conference.

  15. Fisky

    How awesome would it be if the Supreme Court found that all taxes over 10% are unconstitutional, and also that Muslim countries are not eligible for visas to the United States. It doesn’t matter what the Constitution actually says, because the Left have always ignored it, and there is no rule anymore requiring people to follow the Constitution.

    Also, we should reinterpret the First Amendment to exclude Leftism as a form of protected speech. All Leftism is incitement, and that can and must be criminalised.

  16. Driftforge

    We shouldn’t even bother trying to square judicial rulings with the law, just decide what the right-wing thing to do is, and brutally impose our will on the Left.

    Add to this the complete and utter rejection of left-wing framing – thou shalt not cuck – and you have pretty much the alt-right philosophy such as it is.

  17. Fisky

    Actually, there is a way the Right could exploit the Constitution the same way the Left have used the Equal Protection clause. In the Preamble to the Constitution, it states:

    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity

    So basically, the Supreme Court can just argue that all Leftist policies are bad for children (which is objectively true) and therefore are unconstitutional. Voila.

  18. Rafe Champion

    Taking up a point from Driftforge about the Right drifting in all directions (actually I dont answer to the label right but that is another story), we need a small hard core of principles where we all (almost) agree and these need to inform a huge range of specific actions and policy proposals.
    Without labouring the point, the core principles need to inform all the detailed activities so the principles get spread around in the course of particular programs.

  19. Fisky

    I think the “Posterity” clause has enormous potential for right-wing legal scholars. We must convince the Heritage Foundation, the Federalists, and other right-wing think tanks to adopt Posterityism as their judicial ideology – if it’s good for children, then it’s in the Constitution; if not, it’s banned.

  20. Driftforge

    Dupes you don’t have to agree with everything or indeed anything in that piece but the classical liberal/libertarian agenda a la Bastiat is not bullshit.

    It may not be bullshit, but liberalism proceeds by enforcing outcomes (Liberty!) rather than arranging for them to flourish as a result of cultural growth. In doing so it undermines the ongoing cultural development and winnowing that was required for those very outcomes to become ingrained within the people. Furthermore, it took upon then to mix in peoples with progressively less capacity for liberty and freedom into its own, and thus accelerated the decline from the peak of Western Civilisation.

    The adoption of Liberalism is the decision as a society that we have reached a sufficient peak and no longer need to apply the disciplines that got us as far as we did.

  21. Jim Rose

    I thought it was a name for a bunch of people who live in their mother’s basement that the left is trying to pump up as being of some importance

  22. Driftforge

    Without labouring the point, the core principles need to inform all the detailed activities so the principles get spread around in the course of particular programs.

    Two things further:
    1) It’s ok, and to be expected, that other peoples will adopt different sets of principles.

    2) Those principles must
    be placed outside of the Liberal construct; they are not for changing with the wind, nor for depending on the fickle nature of man for their maintenance. They are not for debate in the marketplace of ideas, but rather the Ideas upon which that marketplace rests.

  23. Driftforge

    I thought it was a name for a bunch of people who live in their mother’s basement that the left is trying to pump up as being of some importance

    That basically describes half the US these days.

  24. Yohan

    I’m alt-right in the cultural sphere, but not in the philosophical or economic spheres.
    That is a good list by Jeffry Tucker, and all those books are highly influential to the movement.

    But if you want the best intro to the political origins and principles of the alt-right, check this paper out by Matthew Lyons.
    http://www.politicalresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Lyons_CtrlAltDelete_PRINT.pdf

    Lyons is a leftist, a Marxist and radical opponent of the alt-right. But he is an academic and one of the few progressives who believes to combat your opponents you need to describe them accurately. So unlike most far left literature this is non-polemical, it is highly accurate.

  25. Yohan

    I’m alt-right in the cultural sphere, but not in the philosophy or economic spheres.
    That is a good list by Jeffry Tucker, and all those books are highly influential to the movement.

    But if you want the best intro to the political origins and principles of the alt-right, check this paper out by Matthew Lyons.
    Origins of the alt right

    Lyons is a leftist, a Marxist and radical opponent of the alt-right. But he is an academic and one of the few progressives who believes to combat your opponents you need to describe them accurately. So unlike most far left literature this is non-polemical, it is highly accurate.

  26. .

    Fisky
    #2320642, posted on March 9, 2017 at 6:53 pm
    How awesome would it be if the Supreme Court found that all taxes over 10% are unconstitutional

    It would be better if that was actually written as part of the constitution.

  27. I think one of the fundamental flaws in the thinking of the right (excluding the alt-right) is the idea that we are in a war of ideas with the left. We are not, we are in a state of total war with the left. The left gives not one hoot about its ideas being superior or inferior, it is out to win by any means necessary.

    When I use the phrase “total war” one might imagine that to be an exaggeration, but it is not, the outcome of the left’s goals is the extermination of capitalist society and in particular the white race. To that end, the fuse was lit in the late 60s took firm hold in the early 70s and the annihilation of a Western Culture has been well underway for a generation. The scale of the destruction leaves WW2 in its wake. It is of such a glacial pace that it is in essence totally invisible to the naked eye and few people are even aware that is even happening.

    The alt-right understand clearly that it is not interested in waging a war of ideas with the left and that the left’s Frankenstein headless meme is not killed, civilisation itself will either enter another dark age or outright collapse.

    The goal of the alt-right is to destroy leftism before it destroys us.

    The left is a virus, a virus that will kill its host if it is not killed first.

  28. Rafe

    Dont forget the position that Hayek criticised in Why i am not a conservative shares significant features with left liberalism.
    Fraser epitomised that kind of conservatism.
    Turnbull is something else, simply in the wrong party.

  29. Yohan

    I think one of the fundamental flaws in the thinking of the right (excluding the alt-right) is the idea that we are in a war of ideas with the left. We are not, we are in a state of total war with the left. The left gives not one hoot about its ideas being superior or inferior, it is out to win by any means necessary.

    This is exactly correct. Right wing cultural movements have been losing for decades because they play nice, play by the rules, have morals e.t.c
    For the left the ends justify the means, and its total war. The alt-right was the first time far-left progressive ism has had any pushback and battlefield defeats in the cultural sphere. They used the lefts Alinskyist tactics and identity politics against them. And they are conscious of doing so.

    That’s why, for all its faults I support the movement.

  30. Joe

    DF:

    2) Those principles must
    be placed outside of the Liberal construct; they are not for changing with the wind, nor for depending on the fickle nature of man for their maintenance. They are not for debate in the marketplace of ideas, but rather the Ideas upon which that marketplace rests.

    This impossible constraint is why the alt-right disdains Libertarianism. The alt-right does not do theory, they want to re-establish western civilisation.

  31. Yohan

    I’m alt-right in the cultural sphere, but not in the philosophical or economic spheres. That is a good list by Jeffry Tucker, and all those books are highly influential to the movement.

    But if you want the best intro to the political origins and principles of the alt-right, check this paper out by Matthew Lyons.

    http://www.politicalresearch.org/2017/01/20/ctrl-alt-delete-report-on-the-alternative-right/

    Lyons is a leftist, a Marxist and radical opponent of the alt-right. But he is an academic and one of the few progressives who believes to combat your opponents you need to describe them accurately. So unlike most far left literature this is non-polemical, it is unbiased and mostly accurate.

  32. Yohan

    I’m alt-right in the cultural sphere, but not in the philosophical or economic spheres. That is a good list by Jeffry Tucker, and all those books are highly influential to the movement.

    But if you want the best intro to the political origins and principles of the alt-right, check this paper out by Matthew Lyons.

    http://threewayfight.blogspot.com.au/2017/01/ctrl-alt-delete-new-report-on.html

    Lyons is a leftist, a Marxist and radical opponent of the alt-right. But he is an academic and one of the few progressives who believes to combat your opponents you need to describe them accurately. So unlike most far left literature this is non-polemical, it is unbiased and mostly accurate.

  33. mh

    What is very clear in Australia is that voting for the status quo – Libs or Labor – will certainly lead to disaster for this nation. That is why there needs to be a disruptor. Hello Pauline.

  34. Jannie

    The Left, according to Wikipedia who should know, claim the alt right is racist, anti Semitic, nationalistic, sexist, misogynist, homophobic. The alt right supports Trump.

    The Left also claim that Donald Trump is racist, anti Semitic, nationalistic, sexist, misogynist, homophobic. Hence anybody who supports Donald Trump is alt right.

    Its too late to try to parse the term alt right to mean a new or old fascist, that old word has a new meaning forced on the world by its overuse and the gangsterism of those who claim to be anti fascist.

    The Left use these terms to put people in some identity box and then claim it is proof they are racists etc etc.

  35. Driftforge

    The Left use these terms to put people in some identity box and then claim it is proof they are racists etc etc.

    The difference now is the alt-right does not care.

    Furthermore, they will openly and continually call out those who call themselves right but always genuflect left.

  36. Jannie

    Driftforge
    #2320727, posted on March 9, 2017 at 8:32 pm

    The Left use these terms to put people in some identity box and then claim it is proof they are racists etc etc.

    The difference now is the alt-right does not care.

    I have long disdained accusations of racism sexism misogyny etc etc, because they are Leftist twaddle, overused to the point of meaninglessness by Leftists losing an argument. So I don’t care if the Left call me those words, but not because its true.

    But in truth I am not what they say, and I don’t want to be defined by them.

  37. The Left, according to Wikipedia who should know, claim the alt right is racist, anti Semitic, nationalistic, sexist, misogynist, homophobic

    and there’s nothing wrong with that. This is reality. People are statistically very different, be that by race or sex or any other criteria. People have preferences, which means they have likes and dislikes. So fucking what. The alt-right doesn’t give a shit about these accusations, it wears them like a badge.

    The implict meme that just got injected with these accusation of sexism, racism etc is that you are irrational for not being an egalitarian. Because only an egalitarian does not differentiate people or have likes and dislikes.

    When you phrase it in its true sense the absurdity of these slurs becomes rather apparent.

    An egalitarian is someone who exists in a grey Mao suited universe of sameness, dullness devoid of individuality or emotion.

    As for the fascism in the alt-right, well guess what people, a nation in a state of war is in a state of fascism. It directs all its resources to winning the war. Individual liberty be damned. You can talk individual liberty when the war is over and we are losing this war rather badly.

  38. jupes

    Dupes you don’t have to agree with everything or indeed anything in that piece but the classical liberal/libertarian agenda a la Bastiat is not bullshit.

    Are you having a go at me Rape Champion?

    That classical liberal/libertarian agenda is indeed bullshit. And until it has something to say about Muslim immigration other than that they will integrate because of all the wonderful economic opportunities, it will remain bullshit.

    We have to offer more than just resistance to the left, and our positive agenda needs to have depth. Hence the Friedman Conference.

    The left are kicking arse because they have flooded Western nations with Muslims. The first step to resist lefties is to stop Muslim immigration yet all libertarians want them to keep flooding in.

    Fucking clueless.

  39. Driftforge

    But in truth I am not what they say, and I don’t want to be defined by them.

    Fair. Yet others have taken what is said of them and taken that as permission to observe reality and act according to it.

  40. Yohan

    That classical liberal/libertarian agenda is indeed bullshit. And until it has something to say about Muslim immigration other than that they will integrate because of all the wonderful economic opportunities, it will remain bullshit.

    Its due to the blank slate ideology of Libertarian economics. It make no allowances for cultural differences, or even recognizes there are ones.

  41. Driftforge

    Jupes. A little decorum. We are not the left.

  42. .

    That classical liberal/libertarian agenda is indeed bullshit.

    You hate freedom.

  43. jupes

    You hate freedom.

    No that’s you, you dickhead. Despite daily evidence to the contrary, you think we can import Muslims with no consequences.

  44. Driftforge

    This impossible constraint is why the alt-right disdains Libertarianism.

    The constraint is hardly impossible. The problem is the Ideas that were encoded last time around (i.e. US Constitution) were leftist.

    All men are created equal. Inalienable rights. Separation of powers. Democracy.

  45. Driftforge

    You hate freedom.

    Imposed freedom is cancer.

  46. jupes

    Jupes. A little decorum. We are not the left.

    Yeah, come the caliphate libertarians will be killed just after the left.

  47. Yohan

    The constraint is hardly impossible. The problem is the Ideas that were encoded last time around (i.e. US Constitution) were leftist.

    All men are created equal. Inalienable rights. Separation of powers. Democracy.

    It’s not really that they were leftist. In those times the founders were implicitly talking about white European people, not all people. The left now takes the statement literally, as it suits their purposes politically.

  48. Driftforge

    . In those times the founders were implicitly talking about white European people, not all people.

    As if all white European people are equal. No two people are equal.

  49. jupes

    Its due to the blank slate ideology of Libertarian economics. It make no allowances for cultural differences, or even recognizes there are ones.

    Exactly.

  50. Driftforge

    Jupes. A little decorum. We are not the left.

    Yeah, come the caliphate libertarians will be killed just after the left.

    This may be the case. In the meantime, Become Worthy.

  51. Yeah, come the caliphate libertarians will be killed just after the left.

    If the New Right doesn’t start winning in Europe then they will make Breivik look like a boyscout parade.

    Europe isn’t building an European army for an external threat. The elites know the horses are getting nervous.

  52. Yohan

    As if all white European people are equal. No two people are equal.

    We can split hairs over this, but its well known the founders made those rules as referring to men’s rights under law, not from an egalitarian ‘we are all equal’ perspective.

    Again, the left has twisted and distorted the interpretation for their political purposes.

  53. Driftforge

    We can split hairs over this, but its well known the founders made those rules as referring to men’s rights under law

    Yes.

  54. Driftforge

    I’m not splitting hairs. I’m just raising old issues. The notion that all men should be equal under law is leftist in and of itself.

    To presume that all men are equal under the law – that all men should be bound by the same laws, that the same laws for all men lead to a better outcome for the whole is at best a simplification. But it is hardly only that.

    It presumes the lack of a sovereign. It enacted a lack of class structure.

    It is effectively an anti-discrimination act – maybe the first? It imposes a lack of discrimination upon the whole. Ignore reality, impose a Truth, not because it is good, but because it is easy.

    And yes, a lot of other stuff has flowed from it, but do realise that those things are of one character with the founding document.

    Have a look back. The failure of conservatism to conserve is consistent and baked in. Any conservation is temporary. The failure of liberalism to lead to greater liberty other than at the end of a gun, is consistent and baked in. Flaws or features, who knows?

    But the rot didn’t start in 1965.

  55. Yohan

    Okay Driftforge I get what you are saying now, very good point.

    My libertarian background/hangups can accept restriction of undesirables from a given geographic location, and thus save the workable concept of equality under law. It doesn’t allow me to go as far as accepting a class structure. But maybe what you are saying is necessary to save our current civilization from destruction. I would hate to think so.

  56. Gab

    Thanks, Rafe. I too had no idea what this “alt-right” meme was all about.

  57. Fisky

    Okay Driftforge I get what you are saying now, very good point.

    My libertarian background/hangups can accept restriction of undesirables from a given geographic location, and thus save the workable concept of equality under law. It doesn’t allow me to go as far as accepting a class structure. But maybe what you are saying is necessary to save our current civilization from destruction. I would hate to think so.

    Feudalism will not save civilisation from collapse. It’s most likely what will evolve after a collapse. The only thing we can really do is close the borders, deport as many undesirables as possible (legal?), and start teaching the next generation of children properly for the first time in decades.

  58. Jannie

    You can talk individual liberty when the war is over and we are losing this war rather badly.

    Sorry, this old citizen soldier is talking about it now, because that’s why I’m fighting, wearing camo not dress, as a grunt not an officer. Individual liberty is the keystone of western civilisation. A soldier follows orders and does stupid things, but there are rules against shooting prisoners and no officer can tell you to shut up, and there are plenty of lawyers in the trenches. And not so much bloody marching around and saluting.

    So I talked about it and the war is not over. I think we are actually starting to win this war mate., at least we aren’t retreating as fast as we were.

  59. King Koala

    This article is utter bullshit. It is written by someone with his head so far up his arse he can see what he had for breakfast.

    If you want to understand the alt right then read this.

    THE 16 POINTS OF THE ALT RIGHT

    The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
    The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.

    The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

    The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

    The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
    The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

    The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

    The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.

    The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

    The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

    The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

    The Alt Right doesn’t care what you think of it.

    The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.

    The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

    The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

    The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

    TL;DR: The Alt Right is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests.

    The patron saint of conservatives, Russell Kirk, wrote: “The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal.”

    This is no longer true, assuming it ever was. The great line of demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change.

  60. Tel

    Almost every single point in this article is wrong.

    At the start he pretends that the “Alt” part of Alt-Right implies an alternative to the Left… well we all know that’s a ridiculous interpretation. It’s an alternative to mainstream Right-wing and the reason people are looking for alternatives is that the mainstream Right can approximately be split into Neocons (who are not conservative at all, and are actually just one more manifestation of socialism but borrowing conservative trappings and emphasizing war and military muscle over equality) and so called “Cuckservatives” who believe that the most important thing in life is to get along and never offend anybody.

    Then he pretends that the Alt-Right stands in opposition to individual liberty. OK, so who else is supporting free speech then? What does free speech mean if you aren’t allowed to upset anyone?

    The Alt-Right has nothing to do with Hegel, there’s very little support for fusion of church and state. There is support for Christians being able to continue being Christian despite the state, but that’s quite a different thing.

    I have not seen any support for slavery among the Alt-Right, although if you try hard enough you might find some hint that could be construed a certain way… you know the playbook. If Tucker wants to dig it out then he is welcome and lets see what comes of it. As for backing a strong leader, well not many people go backing a weak leader, at least not a second time. The other choice to Trump was Hillary Clinton… neither of them were weak. Clinton only won the primaries by cheating, so what did Bernie do about that?

    Now we get to Charles Darwin, so OK there are people like Stefan Molyneux who mention Darwin from time to time and probably would be in the general sphere of “Alt-Right”. But wait, are you saying that there’s a major political force that rejects the Theory of Evolution? Hmmm, does this group also believe in the flat Earth? Do they admit it? Leveling eugenics charges at people is kind of serious, so does Tucker have real evidence here, because from a distance it looks like throwing shit and hoping some of it will smear a little.

    If you want to read the same author banging on about Trump being a fascist, try this…
    https://fee.org/articles/waking-up-to-the-reality-of-fascism/

    And he cites that well respected source Max Boot.

    Why has genuine fascism been kept at bay in America? Why has the American right never taken the final step that might have plunged it into authoritarian, nativist aspirations?

    But it did that the final step Jeff, the Neocon movement is all about taking that step, you don’t think Bush gave us the Patriot Act to boost liberty do you? That’s why people are out looking for alternatives. You know it, and I know it, but you would prefer to blame Trump because looking in the mirror is too painful. Trump ain’t a great President, I for one would much prefer the current occupant of the White House was a giant meteor leaving a glowing and smoking crater 20 miles in diameter and destroying most of Washington… but Trump might leave a slightly warmish crater 10 miles in diameter and that’s an acceptable compromise IMHO.

  61. Tel

    This article is utter bullshit.

    Ahhh bugger, you beat me to the punch.

  62. Tel

    The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

    Astounding that Jeffrey A. Tucker can offer a supposed “Prehistory of the Alt-right” and strangely seems to forget to mention Hans-Hermann Hoppe who was laying down some of the theory explaining the problems of multiculturalism just a few decades ago.

    Was Hoppe so very obscure? No, I seem to remember he was somewhat controversial, and here’s the Alt-Right rediscovering some of his ideas. Yet no mention at all. That must sting a bit… I suppose Hoppe feels stung by a lot of things, not sure if it is better to be remembered and hated or forgotten without trace.

  63. Yohan

    Tucker himself was in the proto alt-right, he was a paleo-conservative in the late 80’s and early 90’s. He was rumoured to have authored many of the Ron Paul newsletters (not that there was anything really wrong with them).

    But Jeff Tucker has now gone full SJW. It’s one of the reason Lew Rockwell passed over him for leadership of the LVMI. And for the last few years he has essentially been disavowing the Hans-Hoppe style of Libertarianism in favor of a more politically correct left-libertarianism.

    But he has never come out and attacked Hoppe directly. So considering his was an attack article, his failure to mention Democracy the God that Failed was probably deliberate. The rest of the book selection is accurate, the alt-right cites that stuff all the time.

  64. Rafe

    Sorry jupes, a typo.
    I still think the good guys need to have good ideas and win the battle of ideas.
    And i still want to know the positive principles of the alt right.
    Where do they stand on fractional reserve banking?

  65. Tel

    The rest of the book selection is accurate, the alt-right cites that stuff all the time.

    Show me a link from the Alt-Right to Hegel that comes from anyone within the Alt-Right itself.

  66. JC

    Show me a link from the Alt-Right to Hegel that comes from anyone within the Alt-Right itself.

    Why is that important? The movement doesn’t have to explicitly mention him to emulate what he pushed. His ideas are enough.

    Rafe

    It’s a good piece, but I also think the writer glossed over one important thing. The Right has not won on a major issue since FDR. Notta one.
    Maybe some elements of this movement are worthwhile using, as way of turning things back other way. We’ll see.

  67. Fisky

    Absolutely brilliant stuff from Hoppe. He’s the best of the libertarian movement.

  68. Yohan

    Show me a link from the Alt-Right to Hegel that comes from anyone within the Alt-Right itself.

    Tel I have been closely following this movement since 2013. Go to counter-currents.com and see their books. Listen to any podcast by the leading alt-right intellectuals, Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson. Look at the French/European New Right, which is where take their philosophical cues from.

    They constantly cite Hegel, Nietzsche, Heidegger and Gadamer as influences. They have conflated the rise of modernity and rationalism with the concurrent collapse of western values and cultural decadence.

    So they went back and found philosophers who rejected modernity, i.e Hegel and Nietzsche. They don’t realize these philosophers are anti-rationalists, and that all modern leftist thought comes from this wellspring.

  69. Fisky

    Brutal takedown of open borders by Lew Rockwell. This is real libertarianism. Not fake, globo-libertarianism.

  70. Tel

    Why is that important? The movement doesn’t have to explicitly mention him to emulate what he pushed. His ideas are enough.

    Well someone might come along and say, “the alt-right cites that stuff all the time” in which case you would want some citation to support that.

    As for emulating his ideas, the relationship between the Alt-Right and the state is poorly defined, it’s not Anarchy, perhaps a form of Minarchy or perhaps many things. It’s not Hegel though. The Alt-Right do not worship the State although they might accept its necessity. They do not seek fusion of church and state; both have a different purpose.

  71. Yohan

    Brutal takedown of open borders by Lew Rockwell. This is real libertarianism. Not fake, globo-libertarianism.

    And this is why the Hoppe-Rockwell-Mises axis of Libertarianism is the correct one, and always has been. It’s very sympathetic to the alt-right on cultural matters, just not on economics.

  72. Yohan

    and also why you won’t find any links to that style of Libertarianism on this sites blogroll. Sinc is a left-libertarian who hates them. Kates is a neo-con on foreign policy who fell out with them over 9/11.

  73. Fisky

    Hahahahaha!

    Trump Administration Hires WND Columnist Who Accused Obama, Clinton of White Genocide

    The Donald Trump administration hired a WorldNetDaily columnist who once accused Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton of waging an ethnic cleansing of whites.

    Mediaite first drew attention during the 2016 campaign to then-Trump campaign economic advisor Curtis Ellis‘s questionable views. In May 2016, Ellis wrote a column titled “The Radical Left’s Ethnic Cleansing Of America.”

    “Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want us to believe that the disappearance of American jobs in ‘the new global economy’ is as inevitable as the sun rising in the east. Nothing could be further from the truth,” he argued. “In fact, the radical left planned the liquidation of white, blue-collar working families in order to ‘fundamentally transform’ America.”

    Ellis wasn’t speaking metaphorically. “If you believe, as do the leftists, that America has more than it deserves and Americans are racists, the global redistribution of our wealth and the death (literally) of white working people is a desired outcome, a feature not a bug,” he continued.

  74. Rafe

    Thanks Yohan. Can you give us a couple of links to the intellectual leadership. It seems that you agree with the theme of the piece that in so far as the movement is driven by ideas they are the wrong ideas even if their hearts are anti-left.
    And if we think any good can come in the long run from bad ideas we are dreaming and sleepwalking into disaster.

  75. What a load of dreck. Idiots like Tucker are the very reason that the alt right has come into existence.

  76. Driftforge

    Listen to any podcast by the leading alt-right intellectuals, Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson.

    Ah, is that where it comes from? I’ve been asking around and the general opinion of Hegel seems to be that his work is insidious in nature.

    Hegel is evil, dangerous deceptive, and clever silly, presenting persuasive arguments for subtly false positions that caused enormous damage to civilization.

    So as general source for the reactionary side, Hegel is a zero. For the White Nationalists (alt-white), maybe there is some interest there. But they don’t tend to be the sharpest knives in the drawer, and have lost a lot of their positions through failed power plays of late, so wouldn’t place a lot of emphasis there.

  77. .

    Finally, Fisk is duplicitous enough to give credit to Rockwell and Hoppe, who we’ve been referring to all along.

    Pretty good that he actually acknowledges this instead of putting words into our mouths.

    Driftforge
    #2320778, posted on March 9, 2017 at 9:14 pm
    You hate freedom.

    Imposed freedom is cancer.

    Orwellian nonsense. Then again, you actually think black people shouldn’t vote.

  78. .

    For the White Nationalists

    Nazis

  79. Driftforge

    Then again, you actually think black people shouldn’t vote.

    I don’t think anyone should vote. Yes, that includes black people.

  80. Driftforge

    Nazis

    Yeah, they do larp a bit much at times. Its rather why even on the alt-right they are kept at a bit of a distance; it rather marks them as not-serious.

  81. Yohan

    Thanks Yohan. Can you give us a couple of links to the intellectual leadership. It seems that you agree with the theme of the piece that in so far as the movement is driven by ideas they are the wrong ideas even if their hearts are anti-left.

    Rafe I posted the link earlier to Matthew Lyons paper. IMO it’s 90% accurate at explaining the intellectual and political origins of the alt-right.

    There are two intellectual strands to the alt-right. The first is ex libertarians and ex paleo-conservatives who are from the right. They have read Rothbard, Buchanan, they are anti wars for democracy, hate neo-cons, e.t.c

    The second category is people who came from the left. They are influenced by the European New Right. They read authors like Julius Evola and Antonio Gramsci. They cite Nietzsche and Heidegger.

    The New Right pushes the idea that progressivism and leftism is the result of the enlightenment and scientific rationality. They want traditionalism, so they are drawn to anti-rationalist philosophy which rejects the enlightenment. I think they have it wrong and totally backwards, that leftist ideology comes from there.

    I’m not saying the alt-right is all like this, but the young ones on alt-right forums are not reading Rothbard (because libertarianism is now conflated with hedonistic left-libertarianism) instead they are reading the post modern books of Julius Evola and Guillaume Faye.

  82. Tailgunner

    Anyone “on the Right” needs to get on the Train. Or get run over.
    The alt-Right is unstoppable now.
    And it’s the only way to ever Win.
    Deal

  83. classical_hero

    The alt right are basically trolls and shitposters. They exist to annoy those on the left.

  84. Fisky

    Finally, Fisk is duplicitous enough to give credit to Rockwell and Hoppe, who we’ve been referring to all along.

    No Dotty, you hate Rockwell and Hoppe, because they don’t support your weird globalist ideology of open borders.

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