Monday Forum: March 13, 2017

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  1. egg_

    the best type of Applies Maths is doing Engineering. You know what you don’t know when your machine blows up

    This post would add some weight to the waffle on the innovation (invention) thread.
    ‘Unconscious incompetence’ indeed.

  2. calli

    In the news today. Apprenticeships: Kids Focussing on Uni Over Getting a Trade

    The true blue Aussie tradie is becoming an endangered species, as the number of Australians taking on apprenticeships decline.

    In June 2016, there were 282,900 apprentices across the country, down a staggering 45 per cent on the 515,000 in June 2012.

    Why would anyone want to take on an apprentice? Sure, there are some financial lures, but they are basically dead wood until their third year. By which time, most of them have abandoned their apprenticeship for more money elsewhere.

  3. rickw

    I believe excluding defence from the legitimate reasons for owning a firearm was a master stroke by the gun control lobby.

    Exactly! We can reverse it our open borders loons and their toxic imports are going to help us do that!

    (Interesting how they went for the most virtuous and sensible reason for owning a gun, very rules for radicals!)

    What sort of a nutcase lives in downtown Mogadishu and doesn’t have an AK-47?

  4. Senile Old Guy

    SOG, lucky you, Mum has many outages – once she was stuck in her electric chair! She does live in Alice, though, they got two twmporary geYenerators there that were very loud (many complaints) I would have to check if they have been replaced yet.

    Yes, Helen, Alice is on a completely different network.

    My other family in Darwin report outages – they live Howard Springs / Humpty Doo area. I know an engineer who used to look after it all, twas he who told of the under investment in stuff that makes it all go. A constant balancing act.

    And Howard Springs will be on a different substation. I would think my area might get better investment, for various reasons. All our supply power lines are underground, so falling trees, and so on, don’t do anything.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Replace all schools with engineering shops: start with carving wood, then some sheet metalwork, then move up to the lathe and the drill press and then electronics, programming, robotics and take it from there. They will very quickly figure out what they don’t know. Make it competitive too.

    I think Germany has some technical high schools that are pretty much like this.
    Apparently they stream for academia but there is no slur on going technical; students fight for it.

  6. rickw

    Replace all schools with engineering shops: start with carving wood, then some sheet metalwork, then move up to the lathe and the drill press and then electronics, programming, robotics and take it from there. They will very quickly figure out what they don’t know. Make it competitive too.

    I went to a school reunion not long back, my classmates still remember the 50cc model aeroplane engine I designed and built! 🙂

  7. Roger

    Presently enjoying a Coopers (sans Jatz & cheese).

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    Well, it looks like that’s going to become total free fall should this project gain any traction.

    Fly on wall, Year 12 mathematics class.

    Teacher: Ok class we will now address the equation 1+1=2.
    Billy: Teacher, what is “2”?
    Teacher: Don’t worry about it son, all will become clear.
    Billy: I’m not a son, I’m transitioning.
    Teacher (scared): Sorry. We’ll get to what “2” is shortly. Please don’t tell either of your mums.
    Teacher: Back to 1+1=2…
    Jacinta: Why can’t it be 3? I want it to be 3.
    Teacher (soothingly): Yes, Jacinta it can be 3 if you identify with that. The Greens often add 1 plus 1 and get 3.
    Jacinta: Wah, I want it to be 5!
    Teacher: Ok, ok. Here’s a sugar-free lolly.
    Hugh: Teacher, if 1+1 can be 2, 3 or 5 does that mean it can be nothing at all? Zero?
    Teacher: Hugh, this a membership form for the ALP, they are very good at doing exactly that. Look up “Wonthaggi”. You will be a MP before you can say ‘Karl Marx’.

  9. calli

    Part of the problem is the notion that all shcool children must stay on until year 12. So the potential apprentices are now 17-18 instead of an ideal 16 (or even 15).

    Their expectations have been bolstered to an unrealistic level and prime them for failure.

  10. calli

    School

    Must be wine o’clock

  11. Helen

    Bruce helped me do a NPV on our current system, solar plus battery plus diesel gen to top up batteries and we found there was little to no benefit, that may as well run diesel 24/7.

  12. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Why would anyone want to take on an apprentice? Sure, there are some financial lures, but they are basically dead wood until their third year.

    I talked to our main plumber about his apprentice and the process of getting certification. He said he is able to send his young lads out on their own for simple jobs, which he signs off on, after their second year. He says altogether it takes six years to complete a plumbers license and even then you have to work with a company and not start up on your own for another two years.

    Don’t know how right this is, but it did sound rather like surgeons, an artificially closed shop.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The young lad who was his apprentice on our job mainly mixed the mud and held things, but he told me he was keen as mustard on plumbing, that he came from a family of tradies and that he really loved doing things with his hands. Some of the square pegs in round holes young men doing badly at academia whom I came across at university when teaching there had never once looked as happy as this lad.

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Must be wine o’clock

    Thanks for the reminder, Calli. We’ve all decided on Pizza tonight.
    There’s a nice pinot grigio in the fridge, I’ll head for that.
    I love this cooking by telephone. 😉

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Excellent, Bruce. The joys of contemporary education.

  16. Roger

    Presently enjoying a Coopers (sans Jatz & cheese).

    My last, apparently.

    Coopers have reportedly just come out in support of SSM.

  17. Bruce in WA

    Rickw and Chris … yes, I remember both of you from the “old days” and Chris from a very pleasant evening talking about things wot go “bang”.

    Thanks for the support. I’ll admit I was a bit despondent when I posted last night.

    But as to weapons for self-defence … sorry, but I just can’t see a situation in Australia where that will ever be allowed. Should open conflict occur in Oz, my prediction is that the government would completely ban ALL civilian firearm ownership. There is a precedent for this.

    While I have stayed with SSAA, I have also joined other groups, including a political party (for the first time ever). I’ll keep fighting, but it gets harder every day.

  18. Ragu

    Why would anyone want to take on an apprentice? Sure, there are some financial lures, but they are basically dead wood until their third year. By which time, most of them have abandoned their apprenticeship for more money elsewhere.

    It’s a little bit more simple than that.

    Firms aren’t taking on apprentices because they don’t have four years of work booked in

  19. Harlequin Decline

    thefrolickingmole
    #2326232, posted on March 14, 2017 at 6:52 pm

    Thanks, these references and shared knowledge are what the Cat excels at. Plus the humour of course.

  20. Rabz

    I think Germany has some technical high schools that are pretty much like this.

    Yep, my last neighbore in Sydney (a thirty something German bloke) said he was educated at one such school.

    And JC, that random verbiage you posted on the previous page could be any one of several commenters here, with testes springing immediately to mind (the commenter, not the nuts).

  21. Ragu

    Don’t know how right this is, but it did sound rather like surgeons, an artificially closed shop.

    Plumbers and sparkies are protected trades, you need a licence to operate.

  22. Rabz

    Although he clearly is nuts.

  23. Boambee John

    Harlequin at 1758,

    Start with the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, http://www.cwgc.org, enter his name, service (note that RM comes under Army) and year of death if known, see what comes up.

    Sometimes, but not always, there are details of next of kin and address on enlistment on the CWGC entry.

    Once you have a service number, the UK archives should help.

  24. Ragu

    I can understand sparkies having restrictions, but fuck me, I’ve met plumbers that don’t know the difference between upstream and downstream and open or closed systems

  25. Rabz

    Headline to a Melanie Phillips piece on the Oz:

    Feminist fury over rape warning

    Must be a day ending in “y”.

  26. Infidel Tiger

    “On behalf of the Coopers Board and senior staff, we are incredibly saddened by the impact our involvement with the Bible Society has had on our valued Coopers drinkers and our extended family,” Coopers Managing Director, Dr Tim Cooper, said.

    “As a longstanding philanthropic company, Coopers Brewery has been passionate about supporting all aspects of our community, and has actively and financially embraced many different organisations.

    “Our company’s guiding principles have centred around respect for others, and, as such, the recent activity surrounding the video made by the Bible Society has conflicted with our core values. Coopers never intended to make light of such an important issue, and would never and did not approve the making or release of the Bible Society video ‘debate’.”

    Coopers Director of Corporate Affairs, Melanie Cooper said Coopers Brewery was and had always been supportive of diversity and encourages individualism.

    “Our company supports marriage equality,” Ms Cooper said.

    “Offence has been taken by our recent involvement, for which we are deeply sorry. We have listened to a range of community views, we acknowledge this feedback and respect everyone’s individual opinions and beliefs.

    “We have consequently cancelled the release of our Bible Society commemorative cans and will be taking steps to show further support for our community, including joining Australian Marriage Equality.

    “Our company brews great beer that we are passionate about, and we warmly embrace all Australians.”

    Eat a dick, Coopers.

    You have buggered this up completely.

  27. Rabz

    Sod it. I can’t boycott coopers because I never drank their godawful swill in the first place. 🙁

  28. Senile Old Guy

    Most students hate woodwork and metalwork (although they REALLY hate metalwork).

    I sure did. Utter waste of my time and effort. Fine for those that want to do it.

  29. Infidel Tiger

    What a horrible company. Supposed Christians giving in to the homosexualist mob.

    54 Then they seized him and led him away, bringing him into the high priest’s house, and Peter was following at a distance. 55 And when they had kindled a fire in the middle of the courtyard and sat down together, Peter sat down among them. 56 Then a servant girl, seeing him as he sat in the light and looking closely at him, said, “This man also was with him.” 57 But he denied it, saying, “Woman, I do not know him.”

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yep, my last neighbore in Sydney (a thirty something German bloke) said he was educated at one such school.

    Corelli Barnett, the author of a number of books on the deficiencies of British industry, cites Germany as having such schools for over a hundred years.

  31. Baldrick

    Coopers have reportedly just come out in support of SSM.

    Yep, they’ve caved into the Leftard Twitterati Defence Shield.

  32. Fisky

    “Offence has been taken by our recent involvement, for which we are deeply sorry. We have listened to a range of community views, we acknowledge this feedback and respect everyone’s individual opinions and beliefs.

    No you don’t, you fucking idiot. You just shut down a debate. How does that respect everyone’s opinions?

    “We have consequently cancelled the release of our Bible Society commemorative cans and will be taking steps to show further support for our community, including joining Australian Marriage Equality.

    It’s kind of weird that Coopers joined with the Bible Society in the first place – how is that relevant to their brand? – but switching over to Australian Marriage Equality is just dumb, dumb, dumb. Now they have confused the fuck out of everybody. What a stupid move. I bet not a single Coopers customer even cares about gay marriage.

  33. John Comnenus

    Coopers

    We warmly embrace all people except Christians. We have always supportive of diversity and individualism which is why we can’t tolerate any debate on an issue and must be a part of the herd.

    I for one won’t ever buy Coopers again. They are liars and cowards.

  34. Ragu

    A teenager that can’t spell water can make home brew. Why drink a beer from a company that took its name from the guy that makes the barrels?

  35. Baldrick

    More from Coopers:

    “Our company’s guiding principles have centred around respect for others, and, as such, the recent activity surrounding the video made by the Bible Society has conflicted with our core values. Coopers never intended to make light of such an important issue, and would never and did not approve the making or release of the Bible Society video ‘debate’.”

  36. Fisky

    Coopers never intended to make light of such an important issue, and would never and did not approve the making or release of the Bible Society video ‘debate’.”

    That sounds like a lie.

  37. Infidel Tiger

    Hahaha!

    The homosexualists thirst for conservative blood has not been slaked.

    Coopers are getting absolutely barreled by pooves and leftists on their social media feeds.

    Suck the big one, you frauds.

  38. Nick

    As I said, had Coopers for example, been pro SSM, there would have been no outcry about ‘politicising ‘ beer. The only problem for Coopers was that they were associated with a different viewpoint. What a country.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    I for one won’t ever buy Coopers again. They are liars and cowards.

    Extreme cowardice. Coopers can’t even summon up Dutch courage from their weak brew.

  40. Ragu

    Most students hate woodwork and metalwork (although they REALLY hate metalwork).

    This is hysterical revisionism at best.

    Kids love metal work, without two days on the lathe how would they know where a cone piece comes from?

  41. Boambee John

    “Students don’t know what they don’t know.”

    Does this get back to Rumsfeld’s “unknown unknowns” made infamous by the media after 9/11?

    Actually, it was a very perspicacious comment.

  42. Roger

    “Our company supports marriage equality,” Ms Cooper said.

    I’ve just sent a missive to Dr Tim Cooper explaining that I will no longer be buying their beer as I can’t in good conscience support such moral cowardice on this issue.

  43. Infidel Tiger

    I will drink fermented yak semen from filtered through Hillary Clinton’s jocks before I drink their beer again.

  44. Gab

    Why oh why do companies insist on meddling in social “justice” crap? Just stick to manufacturing your stuff and focus on profits. Idiots and with no backbone to boot.

  45. Nick

    So it’s West End then I.T ?

  46. Roger

    It’s kind of weird that Coopers joined with the Bible Society in the first place – how is that relevant to their brand?

    The Coopers family were historically Methodists. The founder of Methodism, John Wesley, promoted ale drinking to alleviate the negative effects of gin in 18th C. England. The family company always emphasised its history. Founder Thomas Cooper must be rolling in his grave.

  47. Fisky

    Jesus FMD. This is the first Leftist ad I’ve seen that really draws blood. Coopers are fucked!

    https://twitter.com/markhumphries/status/841213270602084352

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Have the brains trust at Coopers not heard of a little business called Chick-Fil-A?

    They stood up to the mob and now they are thriving…

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/report-chick-fil-a-is-bigger-than-kfc-2014-7

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I will drink fermented yak semen from filtered through Hillary Clinton’s jocks before I drink their beer again.

    I thought Coopers was filtered yak semen?

  50. Bruce of Newcastle

    Coopers never intended to make light of such an important issue, and would never and did not approve the making or release of the Bible Society video ‘debate’.”

    Wrong answer. The proper answer is “we are proud to have made that video and we support debate and diversity”.

    That way they at least attract righty drinkers. By kowtowing they’ve pissed off both sides, which means their sales will now crater. Ivanka shows what you have to do. Whenever she gets pinged by the Left on Twitter her sales skyrocket.

  51. Infidel Tiger

    The good news is that lefties will continue their boycott and now Coopers have pissed off normal people.

    Game over.

  52. Roger

    Why oh why do companies insist on meddling in social “justice” crap?

    Because they see a profit in it.

    What is most offensive about Coopers is that they’ve gone from being Bible Society supporters to kissing SJW butt in the space of 48 hours just because a few inner city pubs threatened to discontinue their orders.

    Pathetic.

  53. Empire GTHO Phase III

    It seems to be the Australian way. Exactly the same thing has happened in sport aviation (ultralights and gliders). The organisations just want a pat on the head and a belly tickle from CASA (in return they enthusiastically hump CASA’s leg) and their members’ interests can go to hell.

    Eyrie

    Conquest’s 2nd law has something to do with this, but ultimately the futility of engaging with a self serving bureacracy that is never held to account by the Parliament combined with some old fashioned tall poppy syndrome, wears down the genuine fighters.

    I attended a “CASA free” event at Wooloomoolata on the 100th anniversary of the Wright’s first flight, organised by Boyd Munro and the property owner whose name escapes me. Boyd lamented the futility of trying to change CASA. There was zero popular support for GA and not one Minister since the creation of the DCA cared one iota. Boyd also copped a lot of shit from pilots who begrudged his wealth. I think ultimately he concluded it wasn’t worth the effort.

    If that was the case for the peak GA body, it should come as no surprise that bodies like RAA-Aus have struggled and end up with troughers in office who kowtow to the leviathan.

    Consider the 600kg limit. A Jabiru is more of a handful than a C150, but CASA just put their fingers in their ears and their head in the sand. They just don’t get it and never will.

  54. Fisky

    What is most offensive about Coopers is that they’ve gone from being Bible Society supporters to kissing SJW butt in the space of 48 hours just because a few inner city pubs threatened to discontinue their orders.

    And now they’ve ruined their brand. I hope they try to dig their way out of this disaster with a ham-fisted pro-indigenous campaign, which of course will be interpreted as portraying black men as alcoholics.

  55. calli

    Firms aren’t taking on apprentices because they don’t have four years of work booked in

    In a nutshell.

  56. stackja

    MSM arts degree means MSM wants more university and less apprentices.
    Who does MSM plumbing? They don’t care! Only they matter.

  57. hoppers

    Hmmm, no questions on “The Don” or sport at all for that matter.

    Shameful!

    #practicecitizenshiptests

  58. Fisky

    I don’t normally recommend Left-wing comedians, but this done pretty well. They’ve totally run Coopers round the block, and now everyone will just associate the brand with weirdness.

    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/article/2017/03/13/australians-love-their-coopers-beer

  59. Gab

    If only Bill was still alive. He”d have a bonza Cooper’s cartoon in the OZ tomorrow exposing them for the spineless idiots they are.

  60. Infidel Tiger

    They should release a video of two lezzos using a king brown of of Sparkling Ale as a dildo.

    Try something Coopers. How can it get any worse!

  61. Leo G

    Tom #2325946, posted on March 14, 2017 at 1:56 p

    Leo G, the Liars lunatic running mainland Tasmania into the ground is Jihad Jay. Dickhead Dan is the Liars lunatic running the CFMEU Caliphate of Victoriastan into the ground. Ta.

    Thanks for the correction Tom. I mentally Jay-walked across the border separating the lunar influence of the two leaders.

  62. Nick

    Fark, the gay beer drinking demographic must be huge lol.

  63. Infidel Tiger

    Leftists and homosexualists tried to shut down another family owned, Christian food comapny in the USA. They refused to cave in:.

    Family-owned Chick-fil-A continues to improve sales at existing stores even as it adds units in the U.S. at a rapid pace.

    Sales are up 18% this year to rank 5th in growth out of Nation’s Restaurant News top 100 list. The chain achieved the mark despite being closed on Sundays.

  64. Baldrick

    The good news is that lefties will continue their boycott and now Coopers have pissed off normal people.

    Damn and I so liked Coopers Extra Stout. Might have to try Cascade Export Stout.

  65. Arky

    The bird held the knife up to my throat.
    She was boiling mad, for sure. I knew the knife was freshly sharpened. I had recently sharpened it myself against the unglazed bottom of a teacup (the way an asian girl had shown me).
    I felt a sense of relief. I looked down at her ex boyfriend cowering at my feet.
    I now realise how annoying it must have been for her that it was him bleeding into the carpet and not me.
    She was tall, dusky, beautiful. An aspiring model. And mad as a March hare.
    Alright. I had been rooting her the last two weeks. Of course it turned to shit. I can’t remember what over. Maybe she was upset about my girlfriend. Maybe it was the milk incident. I honestly don’t know.
    “My ex is coming over to sort you out”, she told me, having just got off the phone telling him all about whatever it had been about.
    He was a big unit, bigger than me.
    She let him in the front door and they went into her room. As he came back out I gave him a shove. He responded with a wild overhand right.
    Then something happened that would change how I thought about almost everything for the rest of my life.
    ..
    I remember punching him to the throat. Then, as the mass murdering psycho in the movies trying to get off the death penalty on diminished responsibility would say: “I lost time”.
    Of whatever happened next until I came to and found a knife held to my throat and a big bloke gibbering like a little girl at my feet, I have no memory. We had traversed the length of the house. I don’t know how long I had been out for. It was literally like an instant jump forward in time.
    I later figured out what must have happened.
    My brain, knowing that I am a great big soft cock and completely useless in a fight (the tyre iron brawl proved that) decided to simply switch off my conscious mind while it, my actual brain, did whatever the fuck it was it needed to do. Once the immediate threat was over it switched me back on.
    ..
    This was a very weird realisation. You can do all sorts of things like walk, fight, and presumably talk, all without requiring conscious though or self-awareness. In fact, in some situations, self-awareness must be a hindrance.
    Now, I know you can induce a similar state by, say, drinking a litre of Captain Morgan.
    But it isn’t quite the same. This was my own brain shrugging its shoulders and saying: “Sorry man, but I will take care of this, I don’t need you, you are just in the way”.
    The big question for me is this : if you don’t need a self aware conscious mind for walking, fighting, talking, eating a sandwich, whatever, then what the bloody hell do you need one for?
    ..
    I eventually came to the conclusion that the reason we have self-awareness is in order to rehearse our story and check it for plausibility.
    And that is all.
    That conversation that runs through your head all day long is what you think of as yourself. But it isn’t you at all. You are something much deeper and more than that. And that conversation is just you checking out how believe-able your funky shit will be to the people around you.
    There is a more gentle interpretation I have been thinking about lately. Maybe that self- aware function is you constructing who you are. Maybe you need to be self-aware to check that your thoughts and actions are consistent with who you are.
    ..
    The silly bint rang the coppers.
    I hung around the driveway waiting for them to arrive, while she ranted and raved at him.
    “She’s inside”, I said when they arrived. After a few minutes they came back out, walked past looking at me with pity, got in the car and drove off. She had ripped through them too.

  66. Tel

    Most students hate woodwork and metalwork (although they REALLY hate metalwork).

    Not much of a man that balks at hammering iron. Have it your way, silversmith is an honourable trade, it’s an acceptable substitute for the kids with small hands and good finances.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Everything has been politicised.

    Life is just a drudgery thanks to the new puritans.

  68. Infidel Tiger

    If only Bill was still alive. He”d have a bonza Cooper’s cartoon in the OZ tomorrow exposing them for the spineless idiots they are.

    That was my thought too.

  69. Roger

    Might have to try Cascade Export Stout.

    Very good, as I recall.

    As were their lager and pale ale.

  70. Hydra

    Damn and I so liked Coopers Extra Stout. Might have to try Cascade Export Stout.

    Anything coming out of the Cascade brewery is too notch

  71. Roger

    I don’t normally recommend Left-wing comedians, but this done pretty well.

    You’re on my prayer list, Fisky.

  72. duncanm

    Might have to try Cascade Export Stout.

    Sheaf stout FTW

  73. Ragu

    It’s kinda sad Calli, people are taking on 2nd class tradies and the kids are missing out.

    Now, some of those kids are thick. Really really thick. So thick you can use them as a honing table

    But the dumb dumbs need purpose in life, and they aren’t going to get it in retail

  74. H B Bear

    Anyone surprised about the WA election result shouldn’t be. This is what we are dealing with over here.

    And that is before you even get to merging or roundabouts.

  75. Firms aren’t taking on apprentices because
    they don’t have four years of work booked in

    I fail to see the reality in this. My maternal Uncle Ed, a brickie, tiler and concretor with his own business, trained at least seven or eight apprentices in his business lifetime. I doubt Ed ever had more than about four weeks work booked in at any given time.

    The highly successful trade apprenticeship system in Australia was killed by the “experts” in our training and education bureaucracies, “privatisation”, and accountants.

  76. John64

    Damn and I so liked Coopers Extra Stout. Might have to try Cascade Export Stout.

    Ditto. Cascade Export Stout is also very pleasant.

    There are alsome excellent craft stouts around so all is not lost. If you’re in Vicco try and find Holgate Temptress Porter. In SA there is Robe Brewery Shipwreck Stout.

  77. calli

    Ragu, fifteen year olds aren’t dumb. But they are malleable. Many need to get out of school and into the world where they are working and being trained in a job they love.

    Staying on at school has been the biggest educational con of the century.

  78. Mike of Marion

    calli
    #2326234, posted on March 14, 2017 at 6:56 pm

    That’s why the Group Training Schemes were the backbone of Apprenticeship Training since 1980.

  79. Boambee John

    Harlequin,

    Hopefully, he had an unusual surname.

    John Smith, no middle initial was one of my nightmares when I did a bit helping people track down relatives a few years back.

  80. calli

    Please excuse me, Cats. I have had such a negative experience of apprentices, I’m probably a bit jaded.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Staying on at school has been the biggest educational con of the century.

    Second only to encouraging kids to go to university.

    University has destroyed the western world.

  82. Tom

    If Bill was still alive, I dream of having the priviledge of being lampooned for enjoying the Catocracy’s idea of faggotry in Coopers’ marvellous mid-strength Mild Ale. And youze can all get pharqued.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Now, some of those kids are thick. Really really thick. So thick you can use them as a honing table

    One particular specimen, in his three months probation, was late so many times, his mother suggested we ring him each morning to make sure he was out of bed…

  84. Bruce in WA

    Most students hate woodwork and metalwork (although they REALLY hate metalwork).

    My (now sadly deceased) mate was quite a hero in metalwork, especially since the spring-loaded door stopper he designed and made was also a very handy smoothbore .22 single shot. 😉

  85. Bruce in WA

    it’s an acceptable substitute for the kids with small hands and good finances

    Proctologist?

  86. Tel

    Lol.

    Are strong Senator Paterson rousting over public admission of dopey script writing.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/department-of-finance-video-boss-wrongly-blamed-claire-for-paleo-pear-and-banana-bread-line-20170314-guxmf6

    The cafe inside the department’s plush building doesn’t even have paleo pear and banana bread on its menu.

    I can’t imagine why not.

    A spokesperson for the department declined to say whether Claire had received an apology.

    Pecking order… the young grads ain’t on it. Especially a young, female grad. Take the blame and keep quiet about it and you’ll go far. As good a time to learn as any, what looks good in the promotional video probably isn’t going to happen to you.

  87. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Meanwhile, Mr McGowan said he was not going to lose sleep about how he would handle the upper house.

    There’ll be around seven representatives from minor parties, including two from One Nation, to negotiate with, as well as 14 from the Liberals and Nationals. Labor looks like having 15 in the 36-seat chamber.

    “It’s not something I can control.”

    He said he would not make deals or give the minor parties special favours to get his government’s agenda through.

    “Just vote on the merits of the legislation, it’s not too much to ask,” he said.

    He attacked the Liberals for the preference deal with One Nation, which he said was a mistake.

    “The Liberal party is responsible for those One Nation members being in the upper house

    From Perth Now. Someone was aking about the West Australian Upper House?

  88. Rococo Liberal

    Can someone here tell me whether a Keysian was right when he told me that it was proven that tax revenue is an arithmetic progression of government spending.
    It sounds inherently ridiculous to me, but I’d like to know what people in the know think.

  89. hzhousewife

    Jones & Co tonight is Mark Latham and Ross Cameron talking energy, and they are excellent. Cameron just pointed out that Australia should be leading the world in innovative energy solutions since we have abundance of all types, and that it is basically an ENGINEERING problem.

  90. MsDolittle

    University has destroyed the western world.

    Where did this idea that everybody has to go to university come from? The Left no doubt.

  91. Muddy

    I had to find something to settle my nausea after accidentally clicking on Fisky’s link to the SBS (shudder) website. So check out this fruitloop interviewed on U.S. television about his film re the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson [I’m not sure of the bona fides of the host website].

    The link was via the All American Girl twitter account. [I never do twatter, so I feel doubly filthy now, but she has an awesome account-photo-thingy (I believe that’s the technical term) that would be ideal for The Cat].

  92. Tom

    One of Leak’s timeless masterpieces: Waffen-SSM.

  93. calli

    I wish a schooner could be superimposed on that, Tom. One in each hand.

  94. egg_

    Jones & Co tonight is Mark Latham and Ross Cameron talking energy, and they are excellent. Cameron just pointed out that Australia should be leading the world in innovative energy solutions since we have abundance of all types, and that it is basically an ENGINEERING problem.

    The technocrats are cowed by Big Green?

  95. Ragu

    . I doubt Ed ever had more than about four weeks work booked in at any given time.

    Brickies are different beasts. And frankly a bit of a joke

    If you sign on for a real trade, something that’s going to take you longer than two months to master, then you need a firm that can give you four years of work

  96. Diogenes

    In Germany, generally speaking, there are 3 main streams of secondary schooling ;
    1. Gymnasium – preparation for university goes to year 13
    2. Hauptschule – preparation for vocational education ie apprenticeships goes to year 10
    3. RealSchule – for the rest normally goes to grade 11 or 12

    There are in addition some specialist schools such as conservatorium schools, and some “Gesamtschule” where all 3 coexist on the one campus

    One of my friends dropped out of Gymnasium in the middle of grade 6 & went to a Hauptschule – no muss no fuss ( I did my grade 6 at Max Planck Gymnasium in Ludwigshafen in 1971)

    This should be adopted here in Oz, each region(in NSW that would be a Principal’s network) has 1 “academic” high, 1 “technical” high, and several general highs & specialist highs eg sport(a tech high), technology(academic), performing arts highs(general). The technical high could/should be colocated/affiliated with a TAFE.

    But it will never happen – the Feds have set a target of 40% of population over 25 to have degrees, the stupid credentialism rules eg RoSA , and my Schaqkira is good enough to go to uni, whatdyamean she should go to a technical high

  97. hzhousewife

    The technocrats are cowed by Big Green?

    It certainly was mentioned that we are being led around by the nose-ring by the extreme left greens.

  98. Arky

    Then followed the great woman drought of the mid nineties.
    In the space of two weeks I went from having one girl, to two, to having none at all.
    Which I thought would be alright. After all, I would soon get someone else right?
    But the months dragged on.
    Women can smell desperation seeping out of your pores, and it isn’t an aphrodisiac. Not at all. You may as well have crapped your pants before approaching them.
    I was driving taxis on night shift and studying days, too damn poor to have my own car, I was taking public transport to get around. A previous woman had taken the V8 when she left in another awful scene.
    I remember riding my bike down St Kilda rd past all the shiny headed bald gits in Mercedes and beemers and thinking what arseholes they looked.
    I was behind the wheel of the taxi when it happened.
    A drunken wench had spewed everywhere in the back seat and I was going back to the depot to muck it out. I pulled up behind a bus and looked up, shock followed. There, twenty times life size, on the back of that bus, was the mad bird’s face in some advert. Fuck me, she had broken through.
    From then on the bloody ad was everywhere. At the tram stop. In the city loop. Bus stops. Magazines, everywhere I looked the crazy bird was looking back at me.
    Dirt poor, frightened of never again getting a root, and followed everywhere by the mad bird’s gaze.
    I started drinking heavily, until one night I saw a cat at the bottom of my bed. I sat up, and while I watched, it dissolved into the floor.
    I resolved then and there to stay drunk for good.

  99. Muddy

    Arky, are they excerpts from Steve Kates’ latest book about Trump?

  100. stackja

    Ms D – NSW Wyndham created university mania.

  101. Eyrie

    Empire, Mrs Eyrie and I were there at Woolamanata for that event with our homebuilt.
    I know Boyd Munro and have irregular email contact with him. yes, he’s more than done his share and got little support, just as a lot of dickheads don’t support Dick Smith when it comes to aviation reform. Whatever else he believes Dick certainly has it right about Australian aviation.
    CASA is a jobs program for incompetents. It pays much better than the dole.

  102. Harlequin Decline

    Boambee John
    #2326261, posted on March 14, 2017 at 7:20 pm

    Interesting, followed the link and found the same surname, same area in UK but different parents and earlier death than expected. I’m possibly related in some way. The person in question seems to have died in the 1940 Glorious/Scharnhorst encounter during the Norwegian campaign.

    I appreciate the link.

  103. Leigh Lowe

    Have the brains trust at Coopers not heard of a little business called Chick-Fil-A?

    They stood up to the mob and now they are thriving…

    Does anyone … anyone at all … wargame the responses to this shit anymore?

  104. Atoms for Peace

    Sounds like Coopers hasn’t read ” SJWS always lie “

  105. johanna

    The Queensland government has gone full retard about crocodiles. Among other things, the have zones where crocodiles which are known to be aggressive are encouraged to leave. Just how these intensely territorial creatures are going to be enticed elswhere, or where this elsewhere with no territorial local residents might be, is not clear.

    Crocodiles will not be culled in Queensland under a revised State Government management plan, which includes “encouraging them to leave” certain areas.

    The strategy that was published after two years of community consultation includes six new zones for dealing with the reptiles.

    Crocodiles in Zone A — which includes weirs, or bodies of water with a physical barrier — would be automatically removed regardless of the animal’s behaviour or size, and taken to farms or zoos.

    In Zone F, which extends from Gladstone in Central Queensland to the southern border, the reptiles would also be automatically targeted for removal.

    Animals bigger than 2m metres found in waters off Cairns and Townsville would be “encouraged to move out of the zone” but if they displayed dangerous behaviour, could be removed.

    Crocodile numbers are increasing all the time, they are getting bigger every year, but it seems that the lunatic Green fringe dominates policy. Above all, they must never be culled, because animal rights or something. Instead, they are moved around at vast expense and offered unknown incentives (a relocation allowance, perhaps) if they take a chunk out of someone.

    Eejits.

  106. Gab

    Reformatted.

    Then followed the great woman drought of the mid nineties.

    In the space of two weeks I went from having one girl, to two, to having none at all. Which I thought would be alright. After all, I would soon get someone else right? But the months dragged on.

    Women can smell desperation seeping out of your pores, and it isn’t an aphrodisiac. Not at all. You may as well have crapped your pants before approaching them.

    I was driving taxis on night shift and studying days, too damn poor to have my own car, I was taking public transport to get around. A previous woman had taken the V8 when she left in another awful scene. I remember riding my bike down St Kilda rd past all the shiny headed bald gits in Mercedes and beemers and thinking what arseholes they looked.

    I was behind the wheel of the taxi when it happened.

    A drunken wench had spewed everywhere in the back seat and I was going back to the depot to muck it out. I pulled up behind a bus and looked up, shock followed. There, twenty times life size, on the back of that bus, was the mad bird’s face in some advert. Fuck me, she had broken through.
    From then on the bloody ad was everywhere. At the tram stop. In the city loop. Bus stops. Magazines, everywhere I looked the crazy bird was looking back at me.

    Dirt poor, frightened of never again getting a root, and followed everywhere by the mad bird’s gaze. I started drinking heavily, until one night I saw a cat at the bottom of my bed. I sat up, and while I watched, it dissolved into the floor.

    I resolved then and there to stay drunk for good.

  107. Ragu

    I resolved then and there to stay drunk for good.

    Solid advice

  108. zyconoclast

    Anything coming out of the Cascade brewery is too notch

    Except the beer.*

    *the stout is ok.

  109. Atoms for Peace

    Funny thing about crocs. They don’t fare well in areas where pro crabbers ply their trade.

  110. zyconoclast

    it’s an acceptable substitute for the kids with small hands and good finances
    Proctologist?

    You are channelling your inner Tim Mathieson
    “We can get a blood test for it but the digital examination is the only true way to get a correct reading on your prostate so make sure you go and do that, and perhaps look for a small Asian female doctor is probably the best way,” he said, to laughter.

  111. Empire

    Eyrie

    Small world. Perhaps we’ve met? I would ask about your homebuilt, but GA in Oz being a fishbowl, it might blow your cover.

    I let my medical lapse long ago because I couldn’t be arsed with the crushing regulation. That’s about to change because I’ve now have cause to fly PIC again. I’m not looking forward to the paperwork.

  112. rickw

    But as to weapons for self-defence … sorry, but I just can’t see a situation in Australia where that will ever be allowed.

    Hi Bruce!

    Victoria and Sydney will lead the charge on this. Shit is getting out of hand and the incompetent turds who made the mess are in charge of fixing it!

    It won’t be a case off “allowed” it will be demanded. I don’t know if you have been following Germany but it would appear that German Gun Control is DOA. Ordinary people have voted with their feet and wallets and are tooling up with Eastern European surplus and whatever they can lay their hands on.

  113. Mother Lode

    Coopers never intended to make light of such an important issue,

    Well, there is the problem right there.

    It is not an important issue. Just a fad by a handful of nobodies who like to pretend twitter posts make them the very pulse of a vibrant society.

    They may as well consult a Star Trek convention

  114. Some here are really prone to be a bit precious and wilt at the slightest critic no matter how well deserved.

    How DARE you say that!! You’re going right to the top of my smite list! That’ll teach you to accuse me of being precious! Wahhhh!!!!

  115. What sort of a nutcase lives in downtown Mogadishu and doesn’t have an AK-47?

    A dead one.

  116. Empire

    It won’t be a case off “allowed” it will be demanded. I don’t know if you have been following Germany but it would appear that German Gun Control is DOA. Ordinary people have voted with their feet and wallets and are tooling up with Eastern European surplus and whatever they can lay their hands on.

    Spot on.

  117. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Gab, that’s a proper formatting (how I might have written it) but somehow Arky’s formatting adds to the feeling, the inchoate frustration of it all. Great work, Arky, the self-regarding self is always interesting.

    xxxxx Lizzie

  118. Crocodile numbers are increasing all the time, they are getting bigger every year, but it seems that the lunatic Green fringe dominates policy. Above all, they must never be culled, because animal rights or something.

    Greens absolutely love alpha predators. They have Malthusian dreams of crocs and sharks eating vast numbers of people who don’t properly believe in the right socialist green transgender utopian fantasy.

  119. OneWorldGovernment

    Tel
    #2326224, posted on March 14, 2017 at 6:42 pm

    And at least 12 months spent blacksmithing.

    With 6 months of that just operating the bellows and fueling the forge.

  120. OneWorldGovernment

    Arky
    #2326307, posted on March 14, 2017 at 7:52 pm

    The big question for me is this : if you don’t need a self aware conscious mind for walking, fighting, talking, eating a sandwich, whatever, then what the bloody hell do you need one for?
    ..
    I eventually came to the conclusion that the reason we have self-awareness is in order to rehearse our story and check it for plausibility.
    And that is all.
    That conversation that runs through your head all day long is what you think of as yourself. But it isn’t you at all. You are something much deeper and more than that. And that conversation is just you checking out how believe-able your funky shit will be to the people around you.
    There is a more gentle interpretation I have been thinking about lately. Maybe that self- aware function is you constructing who you are. Maybe you need to be self-aware to check that your thoughts and actions are consistent with who you are.

    Arky

    Will you kindly write a book ?

  121. Stimpson J. Cat

    Alex Jones just challenged Alec Baldwin to a 1 million dollar charity donation bare knuckle boxing match.
    At last.

  122. max

    To Dr Tim Cooper and Directors

    I was very disappointed to read the statement in which you express regret for your company’s involvement with a Bible Society video on same sex marriage.

    In your statement you mentioned that respect for others is one of your company’s guiding principles.

    I see little respect for Christians opposed to SSM in the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras. It ridicules Catholic nuns and priests as you must know, and, for years, individual Christians and Christian groups have been subject to villification and harassment in the U.S. and Australia for merely stating the traditional Christian position on this issue.

    You may feel you are doing the right thing by joining Australian Marriage Equality. I can assure you there are many who think otherwise. May I ask why the volte-face ? If your experience is like others you will have received emails and tweets making thinly disguised threats to organise a campaign
    or a boycott to punish Coopers. Is this the respect for others which you say is one of the guiding principles of your company ?

    In closing, might I suggest you take a look at recent sales figures for the retailer, Target, in the US. A few months ago Target announced that transgender people would be allowed to use the lavatories/ washrooms of their choice. Sales declined almost immediately and have plummeted since. Food for thought.

    Yours,

  123. classical_hero

    And that was the only folly the people of South Australia ever took on… Except for the Popsicle stick skyscraper, and that 50 ft magnifying glass, and the escalator to nowhere.

  124. Mark from Melbourne

    I hereby out myself as that most despicable of creatures, the sock-lurker.

  125. Zyconoclast

    Dudes, there’s been a new thread about 3 hours ago.

  126. rickw
    #2326106, posted on March 14, 2017 at 5:05 pm
    Australians have the right to defend themselves and their families in their own homes.

    The Declaration of Right was enacted in an Act of Parliament, the Bill of Rights 1689, in December 1689.[12] The Act asserted “certain ancient rights and liberties” by declaring that:
    Protestants may have arms for their defence suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;

    The Bill of Rights (still in effect in all Commonwealth realms) sets out certain rights of individuals including the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment and reestablished the liberty of Protestants to have arms for their defence within the rule of law.

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