Thursday Forum: March 16, 2017

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  1. Diogenes

    progroms not programs – stupid phone !

  2. Diogenes

    For those battling the spill chuckers

    Eye halve a spelling chequer
    It came with my pea sea
    It plainly marques four my revue
    Miss steaks eye kin knot sea.

    Eye strike a key and type a word
    And weight four it two say
    Weather eye am wrong oar write
    It shows me strait a weigh.

    As soon as a mist ache is maid
    It nose bee fore two long
    And eye can put the error rite
    Its rare lea ever wrong.

    Eye have run this poem threw it
    I am shore your pleased two no
    Its letter perfect awl the weigh
    My chequer tolled me sew.

  3. Slayer of Memes

    The Waffler’s Snowy Mountains brain fart – the Wonthaggi desal plant writ large.

    I do believe that some folks see Malcontent Termite’s proposal for what it really is….

  4. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 52m52 minutes ago

    Now the moderator has also bailed out of tomorrow’s panel at McMaster U:
    leaving poor little me all by myself
    🙁

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1873220702918601/?active_tab=discussion

    I’m going to speak. Are people out there willing to guard the fire alarms?
    Because the plan is to pull them, despite the illegality.

    ________________________________________________

    God I love this man.

  5. .

    No struth. Of course the President has those rights. He is still however bound to due process. This is why Trump redrafted the EO order after the first case. Read the brief from the ALCU and you will understand why – the case rested on what we call “legitimate expectations” in Australia. Here it might have only been a common law and administrative law case. The due process required of the administrative law in the US made it a constitutional case.

    Non-citizens always have the right to due process, free speech and equal protection. The 1st, 5th and 14th amendments are inviolable.

    If you think this means I am saying that people being knocked back at the border is a breach of due process, you’re not following what I’m saying, don’t understand the context or don’t want to. It isn’t what I’m saying at all.

    All subsequent cases were on shaky ground and would require several backflips by the USSC. However the notion that applying for a constitutional writ in the US is “traitorous” or “violates the the President’s constitutional rights” reeks of unadulterated statism and also misses the point – the US constitution is largely about negative, not positive rights.

  6. Zyconoclast

    dweezy2176
    #2328866, posted on March 17, 2017 at 8:00 am
    Is Sally McManus “that chap’ Wong’s twin brother? .. and what part did Tony Abbott play in this?

    No.
    I posted before with pictures. It is Greg Combet after his sex change operation.

  7. .

    Another thing I’ll add as to why Gulargumbone, Coonamble, Walgett and Lightning Ridge (or even the far better off town of Gilgrandra) need mining and gas & oil is simple – drive through those towns and then drive through Gunnedah.

    The differences are glaring.

  8. Boambee John

    John64 at 1113,

    Depends on how thirsty the voters are.

  9. Boambee John

    And it is not necessary to abolish the entire national park, only the bit to be covered by water.

  10. Eyrie

    The only hope for this country is to have Trump annex it. Roll on the Anschluss!

  11. .

    John

    Abolish it entirely, or at least within 20 km of the shoreline.

    Our dams are a waste of potential. Generally the water is owned by the state water entity and the shoreline is state forestry or national park.

    In America, farms, holiday homes and towns are alongside natural lakes and dams.

  12. Roger

    Fake news:

    The ABC has been misreporting the Dutch election results as a rejection of “right wing extremism” and a victory for “European liberalism”. In fact it was the opposite. Now Bolt has picked it up.

  13. Tailgunner

    Calm down,dot.
    Walgett – The Untold Story. Coming soon!

  14. John64

    Depends on how thirsty the voters are.

    About 10 years ago Flim Flannery convinced Victorian politicians that the voters were about to get very thirsty.

    The pollies responded by building a $23 billion White Elephant desalination plant rather than building a $1 billion dam.

  15. Senile Old Guy

    Facing a bread shortage that is spawning massive lines and souring the national mood, the Venezuelan government is responding this week by detaining bakers and seizing establishments. In a press release, the National Superintendent for the Defense of Socioeconomic Rights said it had charged four people and temporarily seized two bakeries as the socialist administration accused bakers of being part of a broad “economic war” aimed at destabilizing the country. In a statement, the government said the bakers had been selling underweight bread and were using price-regulated flour to illegally make specialty items, like sweet rolls and croissants.

    Wow! (Link)

    Never go the full Venezuela.

  16. .

    Zuma is a racist coward. He should have had Malema arrested for sedition and incitement to robbery and fraud.

  17. JC

    What a shock.

    UPDATED: Human Rights Commission President Gillian Triggs should either withdraw from speaking at a fundraising event for former Greens leader Bob Brown or resign, according to several Coalition MPs.

    Professor Triggs has agreed to address the $50 per person fundraising event for the Bob Brown Foundation on the topic of “Fighting for our rights – a ‘fair go Australia’” in Hobart at the end of the month.

    Liberal backbencher Eric Abetz said the event appeared to contravene the Public Service Code of Conduct.

    “For a senior public official like Professor Triggs to attend a blatant fundraising event for a left-wing political action group like the Bob Brown Foundation just displays once again a very poor level of judgement,” Senator Abetz said.

    “Professor Triggs is paid more than $400,000 each year by the taxpayer and is expected to be impartial. If Professor Triggs won’t withdraw then she should resign.”

    “There is no doubt that Dr Brown still has very deep links to the Australian Greens and that this event could in no way be impartial. As head of the HRC, she should be reconsidering her position.”

    Senator Abetz said the fundraiser appearance was the latest in a long line of questionable decisions made by Professor Triggs.

    “Between awarding compensation to a wife killer, looking into children in detention several years too late, dragging four university students before tribunals and courts for four years just to be found innocent over a Facebook post, misleading journalists and parliamentary committees and now this blatant political activism – you’ve got to wonder if we could do any worse,” he said.

    “The Australian people deserve better than this continued saga.”

  18. .

    In a statement, the government said the bakers had been selling underweight bread and were using price-regulated flour to illegally make specialty items, like sweet rolls and croissants.

    I identify as an overweight gender void Franco-Hispanic vegan grey foxkin, I find this discriminatory and antithetical to social justice, as well as cruelty to animals.

  19. Zyconoclast

    For chrissake keep greenies from Mars.

    Are you mad? That’s where we should be sending all of them.

    Too late, they are already there.

  20. calli

    illegally make specialty items, like sweet rolls and croissants.

    A sugar tax is the thin end of the (sugarless) pav.

  21. Senile Old Guy

    President Donald Trump made good on a long-time conservative goal in his first proposed budget Thursday morning, targeting the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities for complete elimination. Trump’s budget would zero out the $445 million budget for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a relatively small source of funding for programming and broadcast operations on public TV stations and NPR radio stations nationwide, per the Washington Post.

    What I wouldn’t give to see the same done to the ABC. I like the ABC when I was younger but it is now terribly biased and also makes crappy stuff that no-one actually wants to watch or listen to. I would save the regional bits.

  22. calli

    Shoot ’em with your Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

    Just make sure you’re on another planet first.

  23. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt:

    This claim about Malcolm Turnbull’s new $2 billion Snowy scheme is misleading: “Turnbull … said the project will increase power output by 50 per cent.” In fact, Turnbull’s plan to use electricity to pump water up hill to make hydro electricity when it falls again takes 20 per cent more power than it creates. It is a very expensive battery.

    The losses from using electricity to create electricity were confirmed on my show last night by Professor Andrew Blakers. This does not add any power to the system. It instead removes it. The one benefit is that the power is there for use when there are sudden – but only temporary – shortages. The question is whether you’d be better off spending that $2 billion on a generator rather than a battery. A generator would actually add power to the system.

  24. Boambee John

    Has m0nty been back since he was schooled on solar cells and nuclear reactors?

  25. Geriatric Mayfly

    The real reason most feminists support non-white male violence is because they are weird unattractive white women who wish to be plowed. In a nutshell.
    Back in the day, it was part of normal conversation to dismiss weird unattractive white women, with the rejoinder, ‘All she needs is a good root.’ Where have all these handy little aphorisms gone?

  26. struth

    Non-citizens always have the right to due process, free speech and equal protection. The 1st, 5th and 14th amendments are inviolable.

    I know this may be a difficult concept for an open borders head, but not outside of the borders.
    They have no rights whatsoever…outside of the USA’s border.
    Arguing that is like saying that every ISIS member in Syria gets to take the US to court for damages inflicted.
    It’s good to know you think I’m protected by the US’s free speech laws.
    But you see Dot, I am not inside the border, so I don’t.
    And you know it.
    And so do the judges.
    Please stop projecting the rights of those inside the borders, to the rights of non citizens outside the borders.

  27. calli

    Has m0nty been back since he was schooled on solar cells and nuclear reactors?

    He hit the rotors, BJ.

    A little re-assembly required.

  28. ian3029

    Brubeck And Take Five.

    Without Paul Desmond on sax that group was nothing.

  29. .

    I want monty to apologise – do your own sums and it is apparent that using solar to replace total global energy supply is simply impossible – the idea that it would only require a small portion of the earth to be covered in panels is an egregious lie, inaccurate to many, many orders of magnitude. We would need 1000 earths covered entirely in solar panels to finish the job.

    The people coming up with these fake news factoids are innumerate and also probably functionally illiterate but also grossly, grossly reckless and irresponsible.

    They are also doing massive, massive harm to the public interest. Maybe they’re paid skills for Acciona etc.

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    The ABC has been misreporting the Dutch election results as a rejection of “right wing extremism” and a victory for “European liberalism”. In fact it was the opposite.

    In other news the chocolate ration has been increased from 2 oz to 1 oz.

  31. struth

    The real reason most feminists support non-white male violence is because they are weird unattractive white women who wish to be plowed. In a nutshell.

    If they just made beer cheaper, and blokes were still allowed to get pissed in pubs, a lot of this problem would go away.
    I believe a lack of alcohol causes many problems in the world.
    Look at the insanity of Islam.
    We should keep the pricks permanently pissed, or hungover.
    Problem solved.

  32. lotocoti

    Far out. We’ve actually banned scientific progress. Rip that bastard up!

    I believe it was the final nail in the NERVA coffin.

  33. feelthebern

    Where’s monty?
    Where’s Grig?

    Monty must be elbows deep in a bowl of doughnuts.
    Grig is off trying to have adult relations with a grey nurse shark.

  34. Gab

    For chrissake keep greenies from Mars.

    Nah, I reckon that;s exactly where the lot of them should be sent and left to fend for themselves.

  35. .

    struth
    #2329075, posted on March 17, 2017 at 11:56 am
    Non-citizens always have the right to due process, free speech and equal protection. The 1st, 5th and 14th amendments are inviolable.

    I know this may be a difficult concept for an open borders head, but not outside of the borders.
    They have no rights whatsoever…outside of the USA’s border.
    Arguing that is like saying that every ISIS member in Syria gets to take the US to court for damages inflicted.
    It’s good to know you think I’m protected by the US’s free speech laws.
    But you see Dot, I am not inside the border, so I don’t.
    And you know it.
    And so do the judges.
    Please stop projecting the rights of those inside the borders, to the rights of non citizens outside the borders.

    You ARE protected at least in part by the US’s free speech laws, vis a vis the “dot com” designation of this website. That often influences the decision of web site naming.

    Making an analogy to a war on ISIS with the fact that the US is a civilised country and affords due process to all parties joined to a case is unequivocally stupid.

    “Please stop…”

    Oh dear. The first case actually involved non-citizens promised immunity, and who were often resident within the US for many years.

  36. JC

    Pretty decent op in the WSJ on the Dutch elections.

    Opinion Review & Outlook

    The Dutch speak
    But they offer little comfort for elites in Paris, Berlin or Brussels.

    The relief was palpable across Europe Wednesday night after Dutch voters returned a normal politician to power. Whether the same will happen in Europe’s other key elections this year is an altogether different question.
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/03/16/thursday-forum-march-16-2017/comment-page-3/#comment-2329086
    Center-right Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s victory over euroskeptic, anti-immigrant firebrand Geert Wilders had looked likely in the final polling before the vote. In the event, Mr. Rutte’s Party for Freedom and Democracy won 33 out of 150 seats in Parliament with a little above 21% support. That’s a fall from his 27% vote share and 41 seats five years ago, but a respectable showing compared to Mr. Wilders’s 13% and 20 seats, despite the latter’s improved results compared to 2012.

    Holland’s complex proportional-voting system, which saw 13 parties elected to Parliament, will now descend into the usual coalition building. Mr. Rutte is widely expected to emerge as the Prime Minister, although he’ll need to work hard to assemble a majority. The only thing uniting most parties is their refusal to form a coalition with Mr. Wilders even though his party came second.

    Most observers won’t think any of that matters. This vote was billed by the media as 2017’s first test of euroskepticism after 2016’s Brexit and Italian referendum, and this time the vote seemed to suggest the anti-European tide might be waxing at last.

    Yet this result means less than advertized, for both the Netherlands and Europe. Domestically, Mr. Rutte won in part by co-opting the sensible elements of Mr. Wilders’s platform, especially the need to better assimilate immigrants.

    Mr. Rutte’s ability to put substance behind his “behave normally or go home” rhetoric will depend on whether his coalition partners are willing to support a meaningful assimilation agenda. One recent controversy involves the question of whether jobs should be denied to bus drivers who won’t shake hands with women for religious reasons. Will Mr. Rutte’s left-leaning coalition partners risk their political support among Muslim voters to enforce such an edict?

    Mr. Wilders will be happy to campaign again if the Prime Minister stumbles. He also will be emboldened if Brussels adopts measures that hurt the Dutch economy, a real worry now that Britain will no longer be available as a partner to the Dutch in resisting Franco-German maneuvers in European Union counsels.

    As for the rest of Europe, this result is not an excuse to relax. The Netherlands has always been an unlikely spot for a popular revolt, with economic growth above 2%, unemployment below 10% and a generally tolerant attitude. It’s a different story in France, with its stagnant economy and violent unrest in its suburban Muslim communities. The French go to the polls next month for the first-round presidential vote, and Marine Le Pen of the National Front is widely expected to make it to the run-off ballot on May 7.

    If there’s any lesson from the Dutch vote, it’s that Europe’s political class got lucky. But that luck will eventually run out if they don’t soon provide voters with sustained economic growth and genuine security against terrorism and unsafe neighborhoods. Reaching those goals isn’t impossible, but the lesson from Wednesday is that voters won’t wait forever for the status quo politicians to act.

  37. .

    One recent controversy involves the question of whether jobs should be denied to bus drivers who won’t shake hands with women for religious reasons.

    ???

    Okay, but who actually gives their bus driver a firm handshake anyway? In Berylville, Gladyshockliantown, NSW, you aren’t even allowed to talk to the fork and spoon operators.

    “Muslim bank tellers refuse to shake hands of woman asking for where her debit card actually got mailed to”…

    “Thanks for the account balance…*shakes hands*…”
    “Thanks for driving the bus champ…*shakes hands..”

    Weird place, Holland.

  38. C.L.

    The relief was palpable across Europe Wednesday night after Dutch voters returned a normal politician to power.

    Mmyes, what the Western world needs right now is more ‘normal politicians.’

    If there’s any lesson from the Dutch vote, it’s that Europe’s political class got lucky. But that luck will eventually run out if they don’t soon provide voters with sustained economic growth and genuine security against terrorism and unsafe neighborhoods.

    The WSJ doesn’t really get it. What people want is a ban on Muslim immigration and for all Islamic cultural incursions into Europe to be crushed.

  39. struth

    You ARE protected at least in part by the US’s free speech laws, vis a vis the “dot com” designation of this website. That often influences the decision of web site naming.

    You’re a joke.
    Can you believe you wrote this?
    Hang your head in shame.
    You’ll have to do better than this if you want to succeed and not be struck from the bar of bullshitters.

    Making an analogy to a war on ISIS with the fact that the US is a civilised country and affords due process to all parties joined to a case is unequivocally stupid.

    That’s better, still double talk and meaningless babble where you don’t defend your position, but much better than the DOT dot com……………it should be your new name….FM swingin’

    Oh dear. The first case actually involved non-citizens promised immunity, and who were often resident within the US for many years.

    That would be illegal “residents”……….say the word illegal…..you can do it.
    If they weren’t promised it by this government, then this government is not compelled to uphold it.
    It still matters not.
    A non citizen of the united states has no rights to entry once outside the United States, and the President can bar any alien for any reason from entry, as is his constitutional right, and responsibility to those inside his borders.

    You really don’t get sovereign nations, geography and borders, and how they relate to each other , do you?

  40. Infidel Tiger

    God I love this man.

    “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

  41. JC

    Mmyes, what the Western world needs right now is more ‘normal politicians.’

    LOl

  42. JC

    Artiste

    It’s okay, USSR is a woman.

  43. Baldrick

    Chrissy loves getting onboard with colon’s:

    Christopher Pyne @cpyne
    On board Spanish 🇪🇸 Navantia Frigate ESPS Cristobal Colon at Osborne this morning

  44. Philippa Martyr

    181 days to Potential Greatness.™

    Aaaaand the Ides of March have come, and alas, gone.

    13-Mar-17 Tom
    15-Mar-17 A Lurker
    15-Mar-17 Ruthm
    15-Mar-17 Ubique
    15-Mar-17 Tintarella di Luna

    Thank you for playing. Our next contestants:

    21-Mar-17 Bruce in WA
    1-Apr-17 mem
    1-Apr-17 Tailgunner
    3-Apr-17 Graham
    22-Apr-17 Muddy

  45. Philippa Martyr

    Where’s monty?
    Where’s Grig?

    Monty must be elbows deep in a bowl of doughnuts.
    Grig is off trying to have adult relations with a grey nurse shark.

    Monty is covered in solar panels, trying to save the world.

    Grig has been banned, along with all his sock puppets, and all his empty promises.

  46. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Was the old cop vehicle called the Paddy Wagon because of the ethnicity of those who usually occupied it as temporary passengers, or due to the ethnicity of those who put the occupants in there?

    Is it called that in New York where once just about every cop was Irish?

    It’s known as “Mother – in – laws heart” in South Africa – there’s always room for one more.

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    Christopher Pyne @cpyne
    On board Spanish Navantia Frigate ESPS Cristobal Colon at Osborne this morning

    So if he sails westwards will he eventually discover the Virginia class?

  48. Fisky

    Philippa, can you remind me of my prediction again? I think it was mid-year.

  49. .

    struth your legal rambling is torture.

    Speech on this blog is more difficult to regulate. ACMA cannot take this website down.

    The US affords all parties in legal matters due process. This never changes. Same as free speech and equal protection.

    That would be illegal “residents”……….say the word illegal…..you can do it.

    No they weren’t. Trump redrafted the EO to exclude cases such as theirs.

    (The) President can bar any alien for any reason from entry, as is his constitutional right, and responsibility to those inside his borders.

    Subject to other administrative law and constitutional law provisions, obviously.

  50. Philippa Martyr

    From Wikipedia:

    Except for another double dissolution, the next election must be held between August 2018 and May 2019 for half of the state senators and on or before 2 November 2019 for the House of Representatives and territory senators.

    Do you think he will last? That’s actually quite a long time to flounder, watching Bill Shorten and/or his replacement get stronger and stronger.

    On the one hand, there is the shame of knowing that your party was exactly like the ALP in chopping and changing Prime Ministers.

    On the other hand … Oh, hang on …

  51. Philippa Martyr

    Fisky, me old darlin, it’s the following:

    10-Jun-17 Fisky

  52. Fisky

    OK, thanks. 12 weeks or so. Do I get a prize?

  53. Philippa Martyr

    The full list can always be checked at:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2016/09/02/guest-post-philippa-martyr-when-will-malcolm-turnbulls-time-as-prime-minister-end/comment-page-1/#comment-2140385

    But just for reference, for the currently worried:

    21-Mar-17 Bruce in WA
    1-Apr-17 mem
    1-Apr-17 Tailgunner
    3-Apr-17 Graham
    22-Apr-17 Muddy
    5-May-17 Matt
    18-May-17 Mark from Melbourne
    28-May-17 Bruce K
    10-Jun-17 Fisky
    14-Jun-17 The Beer Whisperer
    21-Jun-17 Motelier
    26-Jun-17 Winston Smith
    4-Jul-17 old bloke
    11-Jul-17 goatjam
    1-Aug-17 Baldrick
    1-Aug-17 Rossini
    10-Aug-17 Sydney Boy
    15-Aug-17 Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    1-Sep-17 JohnA
    1-Sep-17 Mick Gold Coast QLD
    5-Sep-17 custard
    10-Sep-17 Bill Clark’s Nephew
    12-Sep-17 Nelson Kidd Players
    13-Sep-17 Tim Neilson
    30-Sep-17 Pedro the Ignorant
    1-Oct-17 Harald
    21-Oct-17 Leigh Lowe
    24-Oct-17 Robber Baron
    6-Nov-17 Squirrel
    9-Nov-17 Craig
    1-Dec-17 pete m
    4-Dec-17 stackja
    7-Dec-17 bystander
    14-Dec-17 John64
    28-Feb-18 Damienski
    6-Jun-18 Zippy the Younger
    18-Aug-18 Marcus
    18-May-19 Slayer of Memes
    23-Jun-19 Andrew
    1-Nov-19 thefrolickingmole
    2-Nov-19 Bruce of Newcastle

  54. Philippa Martyr

    PS Tel asked that his bet be registered as ‘infinity’, but he came in too late, and anyway, that’s stupid.

    However, because it’s St Patrick’s Day:

    ∞ Tel

  55. La Deplorevole Tintarella di Luna

    Philippa Martyr
    #2329097, posted on March 17, 2017 at 12:21 pm
    181 days to Potential Greatness.™

    Thank you Philippa — if anyone happens to be duck hunting could they give us an duck’s entrails reading please. Thank you kindly

  56. Hydra

    The ABC has been misreporting the Dutch election results as a rejection of “right wing extremism” and a victory for “European liberalism”. In fact it was the opposite.

    Right winged parties in the Netherlands between them hold well over a majority of seats and top 4 positions, I believe.

  57. Rafe Champion

    No offence please! Scale taken from gym to avoid giving offence to people about their weight.

  58. Philippa Martyr

    OK, thanks. 12 weeks or so. Do I get a prize?

    You might. Or you might not.

    It will depend entirely on a number of factors: how reasonable your requested prize is, the legality of same, the extent of my generosity, and ultimately my free will.

    Malotto is the very best kind of competition – all of the fun, and none of the responsibility.

  59. .

    I joked about PM for life, but this dams thing will save his bacon out past the next House election.

    The new Senate will be progressive to boot and the only real rightwingers left will be Cory and Pauline.

    I predict he will lose the Premiership soon after that and Dutton/Bishop PM will lose narrowly to the ALP in a House only election and we’ll get a rerun of the 2010-2013 Federal cluftersuck some time in 2019/2020.

  60. Tom

    Do you think he will last?

    The ever-scheming political car crash President Trumball is dealing his cards with a rock-solid piece of blackmail: if the backbench rabbits depose him more than, say, a year before the next election, they lose the by-election and they’re out of government.

  61. La Deplorevole Tintarella di Luna

    No offence please! Scale taken from gym to avoid giving offence to people about their weight.

    Canada University needs to come over to my place and remove my bathroom scales – I am offended daily.

  62. struth

    struth your legal rambling is torture.

    Good……….

    How do you think the German convicted of hate speech against mussie invasion would go claiming he had American free speech rights because he was using the American invention known as the internet, and therefore under the protection of U.S free speech laws when he posted his comment from Germany.
    From within it’s borders?
    You goose.

  63. John64

    Grig has been banned, along with all his sock puppets.

    Tell me it’s true?

  64. La Deplorevole Tintarella di Luna

    The ever-scheming political car crash President Trumball is dealing his cards with a rock-solid piece of blackmail: if the backbench rabbits depose him more than, say, a year before the next election, they lose the by-election and they’re out of government.

    they’ll never get rid of him he’d bought them — the deal is if they replace him he gets his $1.7million back and the Liberal party has no money because the donors who give they small remittances have shut their wallets and purses — the only way any Liberal party branch will make money is to host Mark Latham to give they a right bollocking and they pay for the privilege.

  65. Andreas

    m0nty from over the page:

    Coal mines have disturbed an estimated 8.4 million acres of land in the US. That works out to around 34,000 square kilometers, not too far off for the estimate from solar, and doesn’t include the space for coal power plants.

    Er, m0nty, that 8 million figure is total land usage since coal mining began in the US, not annual land usage, which is far smaller. Comparing total coal land usage over two centuries with what solar might use a year makes zero sense, except perhaps to demonstrate the insane amount of land solar might need – 34,000 km square being larger than the entire state of Massachusetts. How much would it cost to cover Massachusetts in solar arrays!?

  66. OneWorldGovernment

    Shy Ted
    #2328839, posted on March 17, 2017 at 6:55 am

    The Sweet drummer was Mick Tucker.

    AND Real Deal

    Thanks for that info re Sweet.

    I just enjoyed that one song, Ballroom Blitz.

    It should be played on constant rotation at all ‘safe space’ universities.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    JC apparently remembers P from way back. But so do Tal and Gab, P or someone similar, with less affection. One thought I had when I hear P made a ‘video’ of JC’s high school years, which he hasn’t seen, is that JC would have been at high school in the 60’s or the 70’s at the latest (unless he is a younger man than I surmise) and if so, what was P using for a camera? Super 8 (home movie style) was difficult indoors, 16mm was the usual standard for the clunky and heavy hand-held cameras of that period, still requiring indoor lighting, and video camcorders were in their infancy, let alone being anything like the phones and ipads of today.

    So it’s a mystery to me. What is the back story here, JC? An early camcorder?
    And you really do know P, being now her protector? Good if that is so, as case closed.

    Anyway, if P contributes here and isn’t Grigory, no problem. She was nice to all, including me at first, praised my ‘trip to Bomaderry’ piece, and provided poignant memories of an earlier Sydney and her enduring love and marriage. When I first voiced my suspicions I also added that I sincerely hoped I was wrong.

    And now, OWG, I will shoosh on the topic. Let’s wait and see.

    Gosh I hope though that Grigs and B Shaw don’t come back. Best shoosh on that too.

  68. Tailgunner

    Open borders are the only path to defeating President Donald Trump, a Salon writer claims.

    In a piece titled “Everyone’s wrong on immigration: Open borders are the only way to defeat Trump and build a better world”, Salon writer Anis Shivani claims that there is no distinction between a legal and illegal immigrant; immigration law is “racist”; and “open borders are the only way to go.”

    Fisky?
    Dot?
    🙂

  69. Fisky

    New York Times suggests white parents should explicitly teach their children about race.

    We have better models. Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

  70. they’ll never get rid of him he’d bought them — the deal is if they replace him he gets his $1.7million back and the Liberal party has no money because the donors who give they small remittances have shut their wallets and purses

    So it really is the Turdball Liberal team.

  71. Except for, you know, the mines required to mine the aluminium for the panel structure, the silica for the glass, the silicon for the solar cell, the copper for the wiring, the coal used in the furnace to produce aluminium metal from the bauxite mineral, the oil refinery to convert crude to diesel to run the mining trucks …

    Another stupid argument, as is the one about solar panels disturbing desert life. Coal is dependent on machinery made from materials from mines too, and it also threatens endangered species. In comparison to coal, solar wins comfortably on all those criteria. There has to be some disruption to power our Western lifestyle. Minimisation of harm is optimal.

    Those concerns are secondary, though. Price is the primary catalyst for the death of coal. Once Musk or the Chinese figure out the battery issue, we will never need to mine coal again.

  72. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    there is no distinction between a legal and illegal immigrant; immigration law is “racist”; and “open borders are the only way to go.”

    Hi there, India, China, Indonesia and the Philippines, Australia here.
    Come on down.

  73. As for you Dot, your napkin economics is a perfect example of Dunning-Kruger in action. Leave those calculations to domain experts, as in that link I posted.

  74. dweezy2176

    Christopher Pyne @cpyne
    On board Spanish Navantia Frigate ESPS Cristobal Colon at Osborne this morning

    p̶r̶e̶s̶s̶-̶g̶a̶n̶g̶e̶d̶ /signed on as cabin boy , ….. bon voyage …………!

  75. Tracey

    Just received an email from Bill Leak’s publisher informing me that his book has sold out and my order cannot be fulfilled until a reprint is done. This is (I hope) something positive for his family.

  76. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Ooops. Forgot Malaysia. There’d be a major Chinese exodus there, and no bad thing for us or them if we could manage that, given the huge numbers of all of our other ‘new settlers’ who may possibly have less to offer.

  77. Helen

    Just had an email from Wilkinson Press. Trigger Warning sold out and being reprinted. Go Billy.

  78. .

    struth
    #2329121, posted on March 17, 2017 at 12:37 pm
    struth your legal rambling is torture.

    Good……….

    How do you think the German convicted of hate speech against mussie invasion would go claiming he had American free speech rights because he was using the American invention known as the internet, and therefore under the protection of U.S free speech laws when he posted his comment from Germany.
    From within it’s borders?
    You goose.

    I never argued that, did I?

    Of course we’re still subject to Australia law. The German government however cannot take down his posts .

    The US guarantees due process, free speech and equal protection to anyone affected by their laws. The very first case against the Trump EO is not in the same category as people being turned around at the border. That’s why they got their injunction and Trump, correctly and intelligently, redrafted.

    The later cases are likely totally bogus.

  79. struth

    Coal is dependent on machinery made from materials from mines too, and it also threatens endangered species.

    Monty admits they’re both bad, but wants the option that can’t supply.

    Was that subsidised or not subsidised price Monty.
    Regulated and taxed price compared to paying more through the tax system for what looks cheaper at first glance to dumb lefties?
    Don’t take a second glance, belief is all about blind faith.

  80. Baldrick

    Adani hits back at Australian millionaire’s who want to deny poor Indian’s the luxury of electricity:

    ADANI has claimed a group of celebrity opponents to the company’s proposed Carmichael mine had been “misled”.

    In a statement, the Indian mining company confirmed they had received a letter from Australian Conservation Foundation president and former Howard Government advisor Geoff Cousins.

    “We have received a letter today from Mr Geoffrey Cousins of ACF, whose legal challenge against the planned Carmichael coal mine has been dismissed by the Australian courts,” the statement said.

    Two Australian cricket captains, prominent musicians and former politicians had signed the letter that urged Adani to “abandon” plans for the Carmichael mine.

    They included Greg Chappell, Ian Chappell, Bernard Fanning, Missy Higgins and Peter Garrett.

    But Adani maintained the mine had widespread support in regional areas.

    “We categorically reject such motivated letters of representation by a very small group of 76 misled people.

    “The planned mine in Australia has been cleared after rigorous assessments and strict conditions over a period of seven years.

    “The planned mine is supported fully by people of regional Queensland and their elected representatives who in turn represent millions of Australians.

    “The planned mine will help in providing energy security to millions of Indians who are without electricity while creating thousands of jobs and economic benefits for the state of Queensland in particular, and Australia in general.

    “It is a project which will create enormous social and economic value for both the countries of Australia and India.”

    The letter came only hours after firebrand National MP George Christensen dubbed the signatories “elitist wankers”.

    “These elitists live in their capital city bubbles in their mansion with their multi-million dollar savings accounts. Life is fine for them. But in North Queensland and Central Queensland people are hurting and are desperate for jobs and business opportunities that projects such as the Carmichael Mine and Abbot Point port expansion bring,” he said on Thursday.

  81. Bear Necessities

    Pyne would enjoy Friggin in the rigging.

  82. dweezy2176

    We have better models. Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about r̶a̶c̶e̶ guns & drugs from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

  83. herodotus

    The publisher of Bill Leak’s “Trigger Warnings” advises that it has sold out and is now being reprinted. We will be advised when our order can be filled.

  84. thefrolickingmole

    Tailgunner

    They are at least refreshingly honest about needing to import a vote herd to finally smash capitalism and usher in the golden age of Communism.

  85. Gab

    Just had an email from Wilkinson Press. Trigger Warning sold out and being reprinted.

    I received the email as well. Ordered his book on that fateful day.

  86. Des Deskperson

    Earlier talk of nuclear poured warships reminded me of this incident from my former days, which may be if interest to Cats.

    Back on the mid-eighties, there was a Senate Inquiry into nuclear powered warship visits to Australia – something of hot topic, given that NZ had recently banned them and the Democrats and the Nuclear Disarmament parties in the Senate – no Greens in those days – were making similar noises.

    My job, as a middle-level policy officer in Defence, was, among other things, to attend the Inquiry hearings and then race back to Russell over lunch and prepare – before question time – briefs for the government on any issues that might be raised in parliament or by the media.

    One day the Nuclear Disarmament Party brought in a big gun, an American professor, expert on nuclear accidents, who gave evidence at length about the apocalyptical outcomes of a nuclear accident in a warship in an Australian port – fire, flood, pestilence, famine, huge mutated centipedes coming up out of cracks in the payment…..

    When he had finished his jeremiad, Senator Hamer – Liberal, ex RAN, IIRC served at Leyte Gulf on HMAS Australia – got up and put a proposition to him, along the following lines:

    would you agree, Professor, that if the ceiling of this room collapsed, there would be catastrophic results, multiple deaths and serious injuries

    yet the chance of this happening is so infinitesimal that we all sit here in confidence and conduct our business

    You have described the catastrophic effects of a nuclear accident on board a warmup

    What are the chances of this actually happening?

    The Professor had to admit that he had no idea and, IIRC, left the building shortly after this exchange.

  87. Andrew

    The website Splitsider has published a report claiming Redditors who count themselves among the so-called “alt-right” have been working to give Schumer’s new Netflix special poor ratings.

    Plenty of women are funnier than her.

    Fuck, sour faced Christine Milne is funnier!

  88. duncanm

    Those concerns are secondary, though. Price is the primary catalyst for the death of coal. Once Musk or the Chinese figure out the battery issue, we will never need to mine coal again.

    it won’t be Musk (2.1M tonnes of LiIon batteries) or the Chinese (can’t invent themselves out of a paper bag).

    The rest of your idiocy is not worth addressing

  89. Gab

    Adani says FU to the morons in the nicest way possible.

    See Cooper’s? THAT”S how it’s done.

  90. Gab

    Once Musk or the Chinese figure out the battery issue, we will never need to mine coal again.

    But they haven’t figured it out so in the meantime, coal will do nicely.

  91. DrBeauGan

    Peak feminism reached in Sweden.

    Terrible stuff.

    Not really. It shows the sick whackos up for what they are. This is a Good Thing.

  92. struth

    The US guarantees due process, free speech and equal protection to anyone affected by their laws.

    And that is a specific group of people.
    It does not cover aliens to their country…..and don’t go talking trade law again.
    This is you claiming that the German has American free speech rights, because the Germans can’t take down the comment, while he’s being led away in handcuffs.
    Brilliant.
    Somebody should tell the Chinese too.

    That’s why they got their injunction and Trump, correctly and intelligently, redrafted.

    Many are saying he didn’t need to because he has a constitutional right and responsibility in this area to do as he sees fit.
    He was probably showing compassion above common sense.
    Seeing how hard the open borders loons have grabbed hold of this life boat, I would say he made a blue.
    Once the swamp is drained, he won’t have to.
    It’ll take some time.

  93. Mater

    I received the email as well. Ordered his book on that fateful day.

    Mine arrived, in the post, on the fateful day.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    There has to be some disruption to power our Western lifestyle.

    Bang. That’s the rake on the forehead, M0nts. Not proven. No real evidence that harm is happening. Coal fires our Western lifestyle very well, as China and India recognize. India only goes for solar for its backward villages. Solar has its place in such limited contexts, as in our outback also.

    Solar panels need regular maintenance and their life span can be as little as fifteen years. They crack (I’ve seen quite a few knocked out by flying debris from trees), they get dirty, and an often neglected point is that they are easily vandalized. The are definitely not supply on demand, given battery storage problems.

  95. GM;

    Mention above of nuclear ships/submarines and their compact nuclear reactors. At the height of the power crisis in the Mendicant State, someone suggested anchoring one such off Adelaide and supplying the crippled State with power. This may have been facetious.

    That was me. No I wasn’t being facetious, it would be part of our non-existent Civil Defence infrastructure.
    In between times of emergency use, it could sell baseload into the grid.

  96. C.L.

    Except for, you know, the mines required to mine the aluminium for the panel structure, the silica for the glass, the silicon for the solar cell, the copper for the wiring, the coal used in the furnace to produce aluminium metal from the bauxite mineral, the oil refinery to convert crude to diesel to run the mining trucks …
    ———————
    Another stupid argument … Coal is dependent on machinery made from materials from mines too …

    A stupid counter-argument. The difference, Monty, is that coal advocates are happy for their machinery to be build from materials sourced from mines.

  97. Geriatric Mayfly

    Peak stupid is still the length and breadth of the Himalaya distant. A University in Arizona calls on class members to exclaim “Ouch” when they offended and the culprit to cry “Oops.” An institute of higher leaning for infants and imbeciles .

  98. .

    m0nty
    #2329135, posted on March 17, 2017 at 12:47 pm
    As for you Dot, your napkin economics is a perfect example of Dunning-Kruger in action. Leave those calculations to domain experts, as in that link I posted.

    No monty, YOU failed first year economics. You don’t get to make these judgment calls.

    A demonstrable, repeatable working of why monty is wrong, ought to buy the biggest rake he can find at Bunnings and why those pushing the idea that solar can replace our needs are dangerous, irresponsible idiots and probably paid shills:

    1. Nominate total global energy supply [155,505 TWh] (actually a 2012 figure).
    2. Convert terawatt hours to watt/s (watts). [5.58*10^20 W].
    3. Divide by 1 million [5.58*10^14].
    4. Nominate a figure for 1 MW of solar panels by land area (1 HA= 1MW) [1]. On average, this is overly generous and does not consider altitude or nighttime!
    5. Multiply 3. and 4. [5.58*10^14].
    6. Compare the figure arrived at 5. with total global landmass (15 billion hectares) [1.5*10^10].
    7. If the figure at 5. exceeds the figure at 6., you’ve got huge problems.

    So given the landmass is about 20% of the earth, about 5000 earths is ballpark figure to be totally covered in solar panels to totally take over global energy consumption (I was off by about one order of magnitude to begin with, IIRC).

    Your spectacular, demonstrable failure here is a fine comeuppance and a true exposition of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    Solar energy is a technology which will never, ever be commercialised for grid or baseload power. Moreso if we swtich from coal and oil to renewable electricity.

    Even if I am out by six orders of magnitude, this isn’t even possible, let alone feasible (no consideration of altitude, day/night or connection to a grid or the energy required to build the parts or this monstrosity was made).

    The idea that covering Spain alone can do the job is truly whackjob shit that responsible adults will explain to their children is wrong, stupid and anti-civilisational.

    Arithmetic is a useful analytical tool, monty. Maybe you should master it.

  99. Tom

    Barry Humphries is among the speakers at the Bill Leak memorial at 2.30pm.

  100. struth

    Time out, I’ve got things to do, I really must try to cut back.

  101. C.L.

    there is no distinction between a legal and illegal immigrant; immigration law is “racist”; and “open borders are the only way to go.”

    It’s interesting that nobody is trying to get over the open borders of non-white countries.
    There aren’t boats steaming towards Mozambique from South Carolina.

  102. duncanm

    That was me. No I wasn’t being facetious, it would be part of our non-existent Civil Defence infrastructure.
    In between times of emergency use, it could sell baseload into the grid.

    except your average nuclear sub (eg: US Virginia class) is only 30MW or so.

    A decent coal-fired power station such as Erarang is almost 100x larger

  103. Andreas

    Price is the primary catalyst for the death of coal.

    Except coal remains far cheaper and more reliable. The only reason coal plants are closing is because of government subsidising renewables, not because renewables have been economically viable under their own steam.

  104. JC

    Monst

    I have no problem with plastic panels or windmills. Buy the fucking land , stick your stupid contraptions on there and compete. But not one fucking cent of taxpayer money or fleecing users.
    Off you go.
    I guess I’ll see your name on the Forbes 400.

  105. .

    Many are saying he didn’t need to because he has a constitutional right and responsibility in this area to do as he sees fit.

    They’re wrong. The courts said so and he redrafted it. You ought to stop conflating the first case with subsequent cases, or border turnbacks. Obviously the President enjoys executive prerogatives, but these are curtailed by the bill of rights – and some amendments are inviolable regardless of citizenship or residency.

  106. C.L.

    I worry:

    Barry Humphries will deliver a tribute at Bill Leak’s memorial service in Sydney this afternoon.

    The service, which is open to the public, is to be held at the Sydney Town Hall from 2.30pm.

    Humphries will share a stage with Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and the Editor-in-Chief of The Australian, Paul Whittaker.

    Leak’s two sons, Jasper and Johannes, are also expected to deliver tributes to their father.

    Many of those whose Leak’s cartoons had lampooned over several decades were expected to attend — including former Prime Ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott.

    /The Australian

  107. JC

    And no damage to grid. Any problems and we see you in court, you big idiot.

  108. OneWorldGovernment

    One for you Tailgunner

  109. Andreas

    It’s interesting that nobody is trying to get over the open borders of non-white countries.
    There aren’t boats steaming towards Mozambique from South Carolina.

    But if there were, leftists would be furious about white people colonising others’ lands.

  110. Geriatric Mayfly

    Apologies if I impugned your good name Winston. I would say then, if your suggestion is viable, one such vessel, hired and parked in each capital, for emergencies. There must be a financial benefit here, when all the current Green ratbaggery, gobbling up money, is put into perspective.

  111. Infidel Tiger

    Once Musk or the Chinese figure out the battery issue, we will never need to mine coal again.

    Yep, and once humans learn to flap their arms fast enough we can shut down Boeing.

  112. Geriatric Mayfly

    Many of those whose Leak’s cartoons had lampooned over several decades were expected to attend — including former Prime Ministers John Howard and Tony Abbott.
    Sun too far over the yardarm for the Silver Bodgie?

  113. Helen

    Poor Maocolm pictured in the paper today, wearing a hard hat. With chin strap on top and on a subtly rakish angle, so you know he isn’t a real worker. An ill fitting hi vis vest over a country checked shirt to complete the relaxed hand in pocket pose. Please tell me no they are not RM’s adorning the pointed Louis foot?

    He lay about muddling for so long, waiting for potential greatness inspiration, and came up with this. Hydro power expansion. Except it is not really hyro-power when you have to use off peak power to pump it back up hill, so you can let it down again during peak hour. That is exactly the same as putting the power in a giant battery til it is needed. It is a cunning plan almost worthy of Baldrick.

    Real hydro power would be building bigger dams but that would be too much hard work with envirostazis. And Maocolm wouldn’t pull them on. Too smart for that. Heavens, that might mean some (more) people would not like him.

    He is a long way from there, yet, as others have pointed out – it is merely an idea that is not Tony’s at present and I suspect therein lies is the second attraction of his inspiration. He can ruminate on his idea and throw it at the opposition who really cannot argue against it, he can deflect from other (all?) failing to prosecute his policies, and he doesn’t have to do anything – because future. There will be plenty of being seen to do something, there will be planning and meeting and announcements and maybe even a fake cement pour ah la CLP at the new Palmerston Hospital. I suspect it will be a bit of the background in the picture of the Emperor with no clothes, except now the back ground wont have any clothes (new Snowy Works) either. Doesn’t matter, so long as the Emperor can see it, that is all that matters.

    I suspect in the end it will all be overcome by some gecko that lives in the pipeline area or some precious never seen before in the history of man rock slime that must be protected. Still – it could have been potential greatness.

  114. hzhousewife

    The service, which is open to the public, is to be held at the Sydney Town Hall from 2.30pm.

    In my heart, I will be there.
    If things were right in the world, the streets would be lined with the public as the hearse drives off.

  115. Helen

    wow that is epic

    #2329166, posted on March 17, 2017 at 1:08 pm

    thanks for that, bookmarked

  116. srr

    And you really do know P, being now her protector? Good if that is so

    What, “good”, like JC being, Pro-Sharia For Aussie Sheilas-m0nty’s protector, is “good”.

    It’s all the writhing, twisting and slithering around in their tangled nest of barbs and lies, that peels the old skin off, and shows the ‘new’ skin all the brighter, on the snakes that have always been snakes.

  117. Andreas

    Once Musk or the Chinese figure out the battery issue, we will never need to mine coal again.

    Yep, and once humans learn to flap their arms fast enough we can shut down Boeing.

    LOL. M0nty and Weatherill would have been lining up to give billions to this guy.

  118. Helen

    A while back, Tony from Oz explained to me why supplying PNG from Australia through solar and a big cable which is a bright idea of the Environment Centre would not work.
    1. It would have to be built in Alice Springs because top end – clouds.
    2. There is not current world capacity to make the damn things.
    3. Once you had got to the end of construction you would have to begin again as the first install would be at then end of its life.
    4. They require washing twice a year – dust = reduced capacity.
    5. There is no cable big enough to get the energy from Darwin to PNG.
    6. Even if there were, nothing would come out the other end because distance = leakage.

    So the moral of the story is take the production to the power, not the power to the production. That is why all the windmills make me laugh out in the country. 3/5 of 5/8 of Fall.

  119. Helen

    In my heart, I will be there.
    If things were right in the world, the streets would be lined with the public as the hearse drives off.

    + eleventy

  120. Delta A

    C.L.

    #2329175, posted on March 17, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    I worry

    Yes, the lefty ratbags will be out in force, led by Socialist Alliance thugs and the bigoted marriage equality mob.

  121. For Dot’s benefit, since he seems to be so lazy as not to read my link:

    Example #1 comes from a Breakthrough Institute article complaining about the vast amount of land that solar needs. Guest writer Ben Heard complains that solar’s land footprint (specifically at the Ivanpah plant) is 92 times that of a small modular nuclear reactor. (If you’ve read The Infinite Resource you may know that I wrote a whole chapter in praise of nuclear power and of small modular reactors in particular. I’m a fan.)

    What Heard’s Breakthrough Institute article doesn’t tell you is how tiny that land footprint, in the grand scheme of things, actually is. Do the math on the numbers he presents: 1087 Gwh / yr, or 0.31 Gwh / acre / year.

    At that output, to meet the US electricity demand of 3.7 million Gwh per year, you’d need about 48,000 square kilometers of solar sites. (That’s total area, not just area of panels.) That may sound like a stunningly large area, and in some sense, it is. But it’s less than half the size of the Mojave desert. And more importantly, the continental United States has a land area of 7.6 million square kilometers. That implies to that meet US electrical demand via this real world example of Ivanpah, would require just 0.6 percent of the land area of the continental US.

    […] But, for context, agriculture uses roughly 30% of all land in the United States, or 50 times as much land as would be needed to meet US electricity needs via solar.

  122. Lotocoti;

    I thought the atmospheric test ban treaty put the kibosh on that sort of thing.

    Yep.
    As well as the outer space treaty. (Forgot its real name.)

    Mankind has multiple problems, but it also has multiple solutions to them.
    The stumbling block is Politics.
    Our political systems are killing us as a species.

  123. ian3029

    I received the email as well. Ordered his book on that fateful day.

    I must have got in just in time. Mine arrived by post today.

  124. srr

    Tailgunner
    #2329128, posted on March 17, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    Open borders are the only path to defeating President Donald Trump, a Salon writer claims.

    In a piece titled “Everyone’s wrong on immigration: Open borders are the only way to defeat Trump and build a better world”, Salon writer Anis Shivani claims that there is no distinction between a legal and illegal immigrant; immigration law is “racist”; and “open borders are the only way to go.”

    Salon also promotes the normalisation of [email protected]

    Muslims also promote the the normalisation of [email protected]

    Open Borders/’Safe Schools’ UN tools also promote the normalisation of [email protected]

    Trump and The Trumpians don’t back any of that evil.

    You know us by our enemies.

  125. jupes

    Senator Abetz said the fundraiser appearance was the latest in a long line of questionable decisions made by Professor Triggs.

    “Between awarding compensation to a wife killer, looking into children in detention several years too late, dragging four university students before tribunals and courts for four years just to be found innocent over a Facebook post, misleading journalists and parliamentary committees and now this blatant political activism – you’ve got to wonder if we could do any worse,” he said.

    The Australian people deserve better than this continued saga.

    Yet the pathetic government that Abetz is part of refuse to sack the trollop.

  126. Tailgunner

    Great stuff,OWG…my man,Animal was having an off night that night!

  127. H B Bear

    How long before Hewson is reduced to writing for the J e w i s h vanity press?

  128. Tailgunner

    Salon also promotes the normalisation of [email protected]

    Muslims also promote the the normalisation of [email protected]

    Open Borders/’Safe Schools’ UN tools also promote the normalisation of [email protected]

    Trump and The Trumpians don’t back any of that evil.

    Yes.
    But dot has Big Issues with the Comet Ping Pong/Besta Pizza story.
    Interesting…

  129. hzhousewife

    I got my copy of Trigger Warning from my Newsagent, they only had a few copies last week but had a sign saying they could order them in for you.

  130. Poor Maocolm pictured in the paper today, wearing a hard hat. With chin strap on top and on a subtly rakish angle, so you know he isn’t a real worker. An ill fitting hi vis vest over a country checked shirt to complete the relaxed hand in pocket pose. Please tell me no they are not RM’s adorning the pointed Louis foot?

    Turnbull is a #Fake Liberal.

  131. Rabz

    in the end it will all be overcome by some gecko that lives in the pipeline area

    A conveniently bused in consignment of Yakka Skanks should be just the ticket.

  132. duncanm

    Great example Monty.

    0.4% of the contiguous USA armed with a high-power bird fryer.

    Ivanpah kills an estimates 6000 birds per year. In the middle of the mohave desert.

    48 (km)^2 should do about 3400x , or 20 thousand birds/year.

  133. .

    m0nty
    #2329194, posted on March 17, 2017 at 1:38 pm
    For Dot’s benefit, since he seems to be so lazy as not to read my link:

    I’m not lazy. “Someone writes”. I want verifiable facts, not opinion.

    No. Show us the math. Where did I go wrong?

    It would take 37,200 earths totally covering their landmasses to TOTALLY switch global energy supply to solar electricity. This kind of makes “only switching out coal fired electricity” rather moot.

    1. Nominate global total energy supply. The more current the year, the better.
    2. Convert to a figure (a) to compare to a (b) base of solar produced per hectare or hectares per megawatt.
    3. Work out how many hectares are actually needed.
    4. Compare this to the earth’s total landmass area.

    You are free to make assumptions about equatorial solar radiance or constant midday conditions globally, as well as the lack of any facilities for power distribution.

    Guest writer Ben Heard complains that solar’s land footprint (specifically at the Ivanpah plant) is 92 times that of a small modular nuclear reactor.

    This total probably correct. A 30 MW reactor can fit into a 7*4*2 metre building.

    Solar would require 30-180 hectares for the panels alone and you can’t stack them or put them underground. You could stack 10 high and you’d be generating 300 MW and be using up 28 square metres.

    Here, have a rake.

  134. thefrolickingmole

    Anyone silly enough to think the greyhound fanatics have gone away?

    Heres the headline.
    Greyhound racing: euthanasia of healthy dogs sparks call for stronger penalties
    Demand follows one owner putting down six healthy dogs within three weeks of getting them, according to Greyhound Racing NSW internal documents

    Seems pretty damning eh, until you read down.

    Greyhound NSW took no action against the man, because he was no longer a registered trainer, and did not refer him to other authorities, because no crime had been committed.

    Greens of course happy to destroy another industry.
    The NSW Greens MLC Mehreen Faruqi fears that greyhounds are still unnecessarily being euthanised, either due to minor injuries, underperformance, or cost.

    “Their whole business model relies on the overbreeding of greyhounds and the killing of dogs that aren’t fast enough, or are no longer profitable,” Faruqi said.

    But I have little sympathy for the association, given they are idiots enough to think a group who wants to see them destroyed will be mollified by making concessions to them.

    “GRNSW would be happy to meet with the Greens to discuss its proposals to reduce euthanasia and how they could be effectively implemented,” he said.

  135. .

    But dot has Big Issues with the Comet Ping Pong/Besta Pizza story.
    Interesting…

    Yeah it is dangerous, muckraking, FAKE bollocks that nearly ended in a fatal shootout/siege.

    Ease up. Schumer and Shillary will never be President.

  136. .

    “this is probably correct”…damn iPad!

  137. Rabz

    In the spirit of GST Cake Man:

    I’m no socialist, but Venezuela really is a best practice model for a sustainable society.

  138. .

    I’m sorry. Just to hammer home the point:

    Even a 20 MW SMR…being the same size as a 25 or 30 MW SMR.

    28 square metres.

    20 hectares (low estimate, solar).

    1 ha is 10,000 square metres.

    200,000/28 = 10,000.

    Possibly about 7000+ times the land footprint of nuclear, monster.

    Here, have a spade. You must be sick of rakes.

  139. Driftforge

    This Mulvaney chap is impressive.

    OMB Director Mick Mulvaney attends the daily White House press briefing and fields questions about the President Trump ‘America-First’ budget.

    Director Mulvaney does an exceptional job explaining the larger budgetary issues, priorities and squashing some of the more ridiculous media narratives du jour.

  140. Harlequin Decline

    Bazhusband
    #2328823, posted on March 17, 2017 at 5:27 am

    The Shadows, great band. Bought their records in the 60’s.

  141. Bruce of Newcastle

    “GRNSW would be happy to meet with the Greens to discuss its proposals to reduce euthanasia and how they could be effectively implemented,” he said.

    I propose that we get Greens to run around a track so we can bet on them, and put greyhounds into Parliament. Win win.

  142. Combine Dave

    New York Times suggests white parents should explicitly teach their children about race.

    We have better models. Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

    What’s beneficial about the ensuring race riots?

  143. Tailgunner

    that nearly ended in a fatal shootout/siege.

    But…didn’t. Lol!
    Why did Satan himself, Soros, donate so much $$ to a pizza shop??
    Why is proprietor, James Alefantis, in the Top 50 of “powerful DC movers&shakers”??
    You’re lack of curiosity is telling.
    But then Arkanicide is not a good way to go,so fair enough….

  144. notafan

    Yeah it is dangerous, muckraking, FAKE bollocks that nearly ended in a fatal shootout/siege.

    Saw that the #fakeshooter is currently plea bargaining a sentence

    The lengths some people go to to put the alt right in a bad light

  145. Combine Dave

    0.6 percent of the land area of the continental US.

    I know percentages can make large numbers seemingly small but that’s a huge amount of wasted land.

  146. I want verifiable facts, not opinion.

    Haha Dot, and then you go on to writing equations on a napkin based on your opinionated assumptions, despite links being provided to domain experts who laid out the real facts.

    You have as much authority as I do on this, which is to say none.

  147. srr

    ‘After School Satan Club’ Received Fast-Tracked Tax-Exempt Status from IRS

    Documents obtained by Judicial Watch show the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) fast-tracked tax-exempt status for an “After School Satan Club” in Tacoma, Washington, while the federal agency was discovered to be either denying conservative and Christian groups the same status or making them wait for years.

    According to the watchdog group that uncovered the IRS scandal during the Obama administration, the After School Satan Club at Point Defiance Elementary in Tacoma applied for its tax-exempt status designation on October 21, 2014 and received it only 10 days later on October 31, 2014.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/16/school-satan-club-received-fast-tracked-tax-exempt-status-irs/

  148. JC

    I know percentages can make large numbers seemingly small but that’s a huge amount of wasted land.

    The donut hound wants it for free too.

  149. NewChum

    I read the fake shooter is an actor and his father works on a ‘child protection’ board of some sort. But that was probably fake news too I guess.

    No way he was there to harm anyone because he didn’t.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Holy smokes!
    Fisky&C.L will love this one!

    Cultural assimilation – Pork knuckles and rape.

  151. Tinta;

    Thank you Philippa — if anyone happens to be duck hunting could they give us an duck’s entrails reading please. Thank you kindly

    Would a pigs guts do the job, Tinta?
    I’ll show photos for proof…

  152. notafan

    So actors can’t be nutters, is that what you are saying?

  153. .

    m0nty
    #2329222, posted on March 17, 2017 at 2:09 pm
    I want verifiable facts, not opinion.

    Haha Dot, and then you go on to writing equations on a napkin based on your opinionated assumptions, despite links being provided to domain experts who laid out the real facts.

    You have as much authority as I do on this, which is to say none.

    Then you can show us your own workings.

    Your argument amounts to “no amount of arithmetic and logic can convince me, but here is a link I found on the net written by green leftists”.

    I just showed you that nuclear SMRs have a footprint at least 7000 or so times less than solar.

  154. Top Ender

    How about the benefits of not having your house, business or car broken into? What cloud is this bloke on?

    The $50 million royal commission was announced by Prime Minister Turnbull and then chief minister Adam Giles in July. This morning, it heard from an expert, Griffith University associate professor John Rynn, who testified that all prisons were “structurally racist and continue the process of colonisation”.

    Professor Rynn could identify “no” benefits whatsoever from the Territory’s policy of locking up delinquent youngsters, at least based on evidence about youth detention this week.

    Link

  155. .

    NewChum
    #2329225, posted on March 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm
    I read the fake shooter is an actor and his father works on a ‘child protection’ board of some sort. But that was probably fake news too I guess.

    No way he was there to harm anyone because he didn’t.

    Oh god. Where did you read this fucking tripe?

    So now the DC Police, prosecutors and judges are now staging fake arrests and trials?

    Maybe this poor guy will go to a fake gaol with fake beatings and fake sodomy.

    This utter shyte is worse than the Satanic child abuse hysteria or the daycare child abuse hysteria.

    Shades of Judge Danforth and Abigail Williams.

  156. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Administration worker Cindy Prior has dropped legal proceedings against the Queensland University of Technology a fortnight after she was denied leave to appeal over a racial discrimination case against three students.

    “QUT is pleased that Ms Prior has decided to discontinue legal proceedings against the university, but stresses there are no winners here,” QUT said in a statement issued on Friday.

    The university said it would not pursue Ms Prior for costs because doing so “would be neither financially prudent nor appropriate”.

    No commercial settlement had been made, it added.

    It comes after Ms Prior tried to sue three QUT students under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act for $250,000 after they posted comments on Facebook about being asked to leave an Indigenous-only computer room.

    But Federal Court Justice John Dowsett dismissed that case in November on the grounds it did not have reasonable prospects of success.

    On March 3, Justice Dowsett also denied her leave to appeal against his decision.

    Section 18C makes it unlawful for anyone to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” another person or group on the grounds of race, colour or ethnicity.

    Ms Prior had argued she was unable to continue working face-to-face with white people following a series of Facebook posts made after a student was asked to leave an indigenous-only computer lab at QUT in 2013.

    The case discontinued against QUT related to a different section of the Racial Discrimination Act.

    From the Oz.

  157. Your argument amounts to “no amount of arithmetic and logic can convince me, but here is a link I found on the net written by green leftists”.

    The quote is from a nuclear advocate, Dot. He is a lot smarter than you or I.

  158. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 2h2 hours ago

    Senators Demand State Department Probe Into Soros Organizations
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-16/senators-demand-investigation-taxpayer-funds-sent-soros-backed-leftist-groups-easter

    Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) and a group of his colleagues are calling on the newly appointed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to immediately investigate how US taxpayer funds are being used by the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to support Soros-backed, leftist political groups in several Eastern European countries including Macedonia and Albania. According to the letter, potentially millions of taxpayer dollars are being funneled through USAID to Soros’ Open Society Foundations with the explicit goal of pushing his progressive agenda.

    RTWT at link above.

  159. .

    m0nty
    #2329240, posted on March 17, 2017 at 2:25 pm
    Your argument amounts to “no amount of arithmetic and logic can convince me, but here is a link I found on the net written by green leftists”.

    The quote is from a nuclear advocate, Dot. He is a lot smarter than you or I.

    Hmm yes the quote, but the article? Speak for yourself, you rake.

  160. thefrolickingmole

    Rafes link to the DDT scare on his roundup is well worth a look for a glaring example of monty style wrongology in action.

    Includes this lovely line from one of the pushers of the fake data used to ban it.

    There are perils that we can be certain of avoiding only at the cost of never knowing with certainty that they were real.

    Sound like any other type of “science” being pushed lately?

  161. .

    Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) and a group of his colleagues are calling on the newly appointed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to immediately investigate how US taxpayer funds are being used by the State Department and the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) to support Soros-backed, leftist political groups in several Eastern European countries including Macedonia and Albania.

    That’s somewhat funny because over the last two decades, the GOP has favoured Macedonia and the Dems have favoured Greece. I was told this by a Macedonian after I asked why he despised the Dems.

  162. NewChum

    Anyone who doesn’t refer to ERoEI while talking power generation should be ignored.

    Solar has a terrible EROEI. It is boutique energy. How long does it take one solar panel to generate enough energy to replace itself? A very long time.

    That is why it will never succeed as a primary energy source, let alone the problems with land and transmission.

    Wake me up when a company producing solar energy actually pays any taxes on the energy produced, in excess of all the subsidies.

  163. thefrolickingmole

    I bet monty still had a well thumbed copy of “silent spring” on a bookcase somewhere..

  164. srr

    NewChum
    #2329225, posted on March 17, 2017 at 2:11 pm

    I read the fake shooter is an actor and his father works on a ‘child protection’ board of some sort. But that was probably fake news too I guess.

    No way he was there to harm anyone because he didn’t.

    As with schools, they stack ’em with Their Own.

    A notable one was a woman convicted of stealing 30 Haitian children, helped out by Hillary and Bill Clinton, and given a high position in the Amber Alert (missing child) mob.

    But don’t worry Dot, the more smaller fish the Trump Admin adds to it’s now around 2000 people arrested for sex/child slave trafficking, the greater the odds that enough will survive Arkenside to dish the full dirt on The Worst of The Worst. 🙂

  165. Helen

    The oz is broadcasting Bill Leak’s memorial live

  166. val majkus

    sorry if already linked:

    Administration worker Cindy Prior has dropped legal proceedings against the Queensland University of Technology a fortnight after she was denied leave to appeal over a racial discrimination case against three students.

    “QUT is pleased that Ms Prior has decided to discontinue legal proceedings against the university, but stresses there are no winners here,” QUT said in a statement issued on Friday.

    The university said it would not pursue Ms Prior for costs because doing so “would be neither financially prudent nor appropriate”.

    No commercial settlement had been made, it added.

    It comes after Ms Prior tried to sue three QUT students under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act for $250,000 after they posted comments on Facebook about being asked to leave an indigenous-only computer room.

    But Federal Court Justice John Dowsett dismissed that case in November on the grounds it did not have reasonable prospects of success.

    MORE: End 18C case now, says judge
    On March 3, Justice Dowsett also denied her leave to appeal against his decision.

    Section 18C makes it unlawful for anyone to “offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate” another person or group on the grounds of race, colour or ethnicity. Ms Prior had argued she was unable to continue working face-to-face with white people following a series of Facebook posts made after a student was asked to leave an indigenous-only computer lab at QUT in 2013.

    The case discontinued against QUT related to a different section of the Racial Discrimination Act.

    from the Oz

  167. .

    A notable one was a woman convicted of stealing 30 Haitian children, helped out by Hillary and Bill Clinton, and given a high position in the Amber Alert (missing child) mob.

    You got any evidence of that? You’re just as bad as the bint who accused Trump of child molestation and murder.

  168. Helen

    Their NBN is dropping out. F them.

  169. Mitch M.

    I just showed you that nuclear SMRs have a footprint at least 7000 or so times less than solar

    I think AGW is a problem. We can’t just keep pouring this stuff into the air and not expect some blowback. So different sources of energy are worthy of consideration. Nuclear should be on the table but no-one is going to back it now, especially after Fukushima event though modern designs make those events nigh impossible but whoever claimed the market is always rational? We need to completely rethink all this. Instead of these massive plants for all and sundry, small home or suburb based power supply has many advantages over the current infrastructure. Nonetheless we will always require huge power plants for power generation.

    Necessity is the mother of invention. Recent reports point to the Tokamak fusion reactor far exceeding expectations. Finally, perhaps, just in time maybe?

    Will not discuss AGW here or anywhere. Too much Dunning Kruger in play.

  170. .

    I’m starting to think p$$a gate is a left wing conspiracy to get the alt right to lure itself over a cliff by continually marginalising itself with rumour, bullshit and a never ending host of failed predictions.

  171. johanna

    Parents of black and Latino children have long made thoughtful choices about when and how to engage in difficult and nuanced discussions about difference. Studies show that such parents are two to five times more likely than whites to teach their children explicitly about race from very young ages to counter negative social messages and build a strong sense of identity.

    Yeah, and, how’s that working for them? As Gavin McInnes points out, blacks and Latinos loathe each other and are at war in the streets of LA.

    He’s also right about blacks and Hispanics being at each other’s throats. There is a race war going on in America, and it’s the least reported conflict in the history of American media. Even the Southern Poverty Law Center admits that Mexicans are “terrorizing” blacks in Southern California. Everyone knows Mike Brown’s name, but few discuss the case of Anthony Prudhomme, a young half black who was murdered because “They wanted all blacks out.” The same is true of Cheryl Green, whose crime was being black and riding her skateboard near Mexicans. King’s hypothetical scenario is already very real, and it’s not just the brawling we see in L.A. high schools, it’s the firebombing we see in neighborhoods when the two demographics reach equal numbers.

    There are none so racist as those who are obsessed with race.

  172. Duncanm;

    except your average nuclear sub (eg: US Virginia class) is only 30MW or so.

    I wouldn’t use a sub for the purpose – needs a 300+Mw ship. Preferably this one.

  173. Gab

    Then you can show us your own workings.

    Puh-lease! Leftists don’t do arithmetical only hyperbole, lies and feelings.

  174. Delta A

    Another interesting newsletter from Bernardi:

    This week the monorail salesman from The Simpsons paid a visit to South Australia. Only this time he was selling giant uneconomic batteries instead of shooting people through vacuum-tubes.

    His name is Elon Musk and he runs businesses that depend on huge taxpayer subsidies to function. In fact the three businesses he runs have received around $5 billion in US government largesse.

    Now he’s set his sights on the Aussie taxpayer and our hapless leaders are falling over themselves to tweet and chat with him.

    Why wouldn’t they? After all, he was in Iron Man and the lefties love him so imagine the levels of green cred a pollie can generate just from chilling with Elon.

    But hanging with Elon is very expensive for any government. In fact it’s a textbook example of crony capitalism and everything that’s wrong with it.

    Let’s consider his main business: Tesla cars.

    As a startup in 2008, Tesla needed around $500 million. Elon Musk lent the company $38 million at a 10% interest rate and got another $465 million from the US government at a 3% interest rate. Musk also got stock options that generated a $1.4 billion profit while the government eventually tipped in another $4.5 billion to finance Tesla’s operations.

    Tesla still loses money, doesn’t meet its production commitments and every car is subsidised by thousands of taxpayer dollars.

    Musk went on to create two more companies, SpaceX which will provide future services related to satellite launches. SpaceX customers have prepaid so technically it makes money albeit from payments for services not provided.

    Solar Cities is his other company which makes and leases solar panels to home owners. It loses money.

    All three companies get concessional government loans and thanks to intra-company loans, they are only going concerns because of the inflated value of the Tesla stock price (and government subsidies).

    Now Musk has promised to solve the political crisis in South Australia caused by a lack of electricity.

    Unfortunately Musk’s numbers and promises don’t stack up but the SA and federal governments are already taking the bait.

    After years of peddling fanciful green dreams and endorsing windmills and solar panels as the answer to our growing energy needs, they are close to admitting defeat.

    SA Premier Weatherill yesterday commissioned a new gas power plant and ‘battery storage’. While the proposed power plant isn’t big enough, if it does run out of juice I calculate that Musk’s batteries will provide several minutes’ worth of power before needing a recharge!

    All up, State Labor’s plan costs taxpayers $550 million, which is a half billion dollar admission of government failure. However, as a shameless political fix I expect it will propel Labor to their 20th continuous year in office.

    The South Australian government will be seen to be doing something whilst the SA opposition have been enjoying too many long lunches during their 16 years in opposition. They too fell for the hysteria and hype of renewable energy and refused to stand up for the interests of South Australians.

    It was a gross failure of leadership for the SA Liberals and it will likely cost them the next election.

    However, despite the cunning of Labor’s new announcement, it will not solve the SA energy emergency. It is too little and much too late.
    The only thing that will solve South Australia’s and the nation’s energy woes is to stop the subsidies and let the most cost-efficient and effective baseload power be generated.

    It means we must stop the irrational ideological campaign against using our bountiful resources and ensure that we value add to our beautiful black coal deposits.

    If we are digging it up for export then surely we can use it ourselves to generate the cheapest, most reliable electricity in the world. That would do more to kick-start our economy and strengthen our manufacturing industry than anything else.

    An aside would be that taxpayers would also be able to leave the lights on when they need them the most.

    Emphasis added; I particularly enjoyed those two sentences.

  175. notafan

    So we can export coal but we can’t use it.

    Old article from 1 Feb btw

    But he said the move to more coal fired power was because coal was cheaper than LNG, and the energy security was priority for the government.

    #idiotgate


    Funny how Japan is building 45 new coal fired power plants (apologises to content builders)

  176. GM;

    Apologies if I impugned your good name Winston.

    No worries, GM – check out the link I provided above.

  177. .

    Mitch M

    Yes! Bring it on! Fusion power!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4175442/First-commercial-fusion-reactor-built-2025.html

    http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/SRI_Progress_Report_News_Release.pdf

    BERKELEY, CA, January 5, 2017 – Researchers at SRI International are reporting that they have
    successfully replicated “over unity” amounts of thermal energy (heat) for Brillouin Energy
    Corporation’s most advanced Isoperibolic (“IPB”) Hydrogen Hot Tube™ (HHT™) reactor test
    systems based on controlled low energy nuclear reactions (“LENR”). Researchers at SRI
    conducted a series of third-party tests of Brillouin Energy’s IPB HHT™ LENR reactor test systems
    from March to December 2016. Dr. Francis Tanzella, principal investigator and Manager of the
    Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Program, was assigned to SRI’s testing of Brillouin Energy’s LENR
    systems and conducted all of the third-party validation work.

  178. Bruce of Newcastle

    I bet monty still had a well thumbed copy of “silent spring” on a bookcase somewhere.

    Ironic that the Greens got DDT banned because it might impact birds, but they ignore the actual (and very messy) impact of wind turbines on birds.

    Meanwhile the human deaths ascribable to the banning of DDT are in the tens of millions.

    Odd priorities Greens have.

  179. srr

    Yeah, you’re right Dot; we don’t need more hysteria, we just need more steady, solid investigation and arrests –

    Hurtcore is just what it sounds like – hardcore hurt inflicted on innocent children. Even most [email protected] recoil from it. The child’s pain is not a by-product of sexual contact – it is deliberately inflicted, recorded and posted for the gratification of hurtcore enthusiasts.

    Matthew Graham was the third Australian to be jailed as a result of Taskforce Astraea which worked to shut down the hurtcore sites. Others included Adelaide childcare worker Shannon McCoole, also known as Skee …

    https://allthingsvice.com/2015/09/11/you-wanted-darker-web/

    btw, you do realize that everyone who does read that and all the links, will be much more ‘woke’ to the monsters who still keep trying to fob it all off … 👿

  180. JC

    There are none so racist as those who are obsessed with race.

    Good point

    johanna
    #2327858, posted on March 16, 2017 at 12:03 pm
    Another spittle-flecked farrago from JC about me, of which I will examine a small part:

    1. The hairy backed part Arab or African from Southern Italy has been regaling us with stories about chaotic Italian business methods recently. What would he know?

    She borrows monster’s rake for almost every comment now. Incredible hubris and lack of self awareness. APS best and brightest and hugely overweight.

  181. Old School Conservative

    feelthebern
    #2328853, posted on March 17, 2017 at 7:32 am
    Tim Flannery needs to be paraded in Martin Place today so he can be pelted with rotten fruit & veges.

    Followed by waterboarding. Most appropriate.

  182. Tom

    Their NBN is dropping out. F them.

    So’s mine. As useless as tits on a bull.

  183. srr

    You got any evidence of that?

    Do your own googling. It’s all over the place and not even in dispute.

    Do you ever stop to think about what people think of you, when they see those you most consistently attack and those you most consistently, and passionately, defend, or is that the point; do you think it makes you look all evil, and scary and powerful?

  184. DrBeauGan

    Dot, the Mail’s science section is not a good source for anything. I note that the next article was about the lost city of Atlantis.

  185. Snoopy

    Ian Plimer:

    If 100% of Australia’s power were provided by solar power, 34,317,343 square kilometres of land area would be required. This is four and a half times the current land area of Australia.

    This allows for space between rows for shadow avoidance, maintenance and cleaning.

  186. johanna

    You are the only person whose race I comment on, JC. You’re a special case. 🙂

  187. .

    srr
    #2329270, posted on March 17, 2017 at 3:06 pm
    You got any evidence of that?

    Do your own googling. It’s all over the place and not even in dispute.

    Um…except there is no evidence.

    Pasta gate is bollocks that takes away law enforcement resources from real cases like the huge sting in CA a few weeks back.

    Your chain letter scare tactics are complete crap.

  188. .

    DrBeauGan
    #2329271, posted on March 17, 2017 at 3:07 pm
    Dot, the Mail’s science section is not a good source for anything. I note that the next article was about the lost city of Atlantis.

    Hey. We’re trying to teach monty to not argue by authority.

  189. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think AGW is a problem. We can’t just keep pouring this stuff into the air and not expect some blowback.

    Mitch – You need to back that statement up with defensible science. The real world equilibrium climate sensitivity is very low – around 0.6 C/doubling of CO2, which is harmless if you do some simple arithmetic. Meanwhile glasshouse vege growers routinely bump their CO2 levels up to 1000-1500 ppmV. So we have a long way to go before we have an optimum level of CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere.

  190. Stimpson J. Cat

    when I hear P made a ‘video’ of JC’s high school years

    F☆cking hell.

    It’s a sextape.

    “Traders Gone Wild.”

    Upload it now.
    I demand it.

  191. .

    Do you ever stop to think about what people think of you, when they see those you most consistently attack and those you most consistently, and passionately, defend, or is that the point; do you think it makes you look all evil, and scary and powerful?

    Can you write a sentence in plain English?

    Basement time.

  192. srr

    .
    #2329253, posted on March 17, 2017 at 2:40 pm
    I’m starting to think p$$a gate is a left wing conspiracy to get the alt right to lure itself over a cliff by continually marginalising itself with rumour, bullshit and a never ending host of failed predictions.

    Dot, the Commie trick of, “Repeat your own lie often enough and people will believe it.” got permanently broken when a critical mass of old farts joined the kiddies on the internetweb of lies and started dropping truth bombs.

    Now people just see those who can’t resist doing it, as the Commie Filth they are.

  193. val majkus

    NYT reports on Trump’s two failed travel bans:
    The second, now-halted executive order preserved major components of the original. It would have ended, with few exceptions, the granting of new visas and green cards to people from six majority-Muslim countries — Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — for at least 90 days. It would have also stopped all refugees from entering for 120 days and limited refugee admissions to 50,000 people in the current fiscal year.

    Mr. Obama had set in motion plans to admit more than twice that number.

    Mr. Trump has said the pause is needed to re-evaluate screening procedures for immigrants from the six countries. “Each of these countries is a state sponsor of terrorism, has been significantly compromised by terrorist organizations, or contains active conflict zones,” he wrote in the order.

    The two court orders were not a final ruling on the constitutionality of Mr. Trump’s ban, and the administration has expressed confidence that courts will ultimately affirm Mr. Trump’s power to issue the restrictions.

    and from AT:

    The president has “plenary power” over national security policy. Previous presidents, like Obama, restricted entry from individual countries without anyone complaining. When President Trump’s first executive order was struck down, that was clearly a power-grab by the judiciary of the executive branch’s power. His first order was so moderate (only including seven countries, only for a limited period of time) that I knew then that no revised order would satisfy activist judges.

  194. val majkus

    Interesting comment on that AT article:

    Trump often appears to have made a mistake and then comes up a winner. It is hard to see that scenario playing out here given what Trump has said – that he will follow the fandango with the courts. Even if he goes to SCOTUS and wins, he has let the courts take over national security. Can’t have that. Could the federal courts have stopped D-Day because a French farmer was able to file a complaint about damage to his property?

    The line for Trump to take is that the courts lack jurisdiction. Don’t argue the merits. Say that his authority flows directly from the Constitution and cannot be interdicted by any other branch of the government. Lincoln effectively did that.

  195. .

    Okay basement girl,

    Please note any predictions about pissa gate that have come true, you deluded, mentally ill idiot.

    Let’s start with testing if the “72 imminent arrests of high profile figures such as Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer” have come true. Note that this was first bullshitted into the world on various clickbait pages about six weeks ago.

  196. Baldrick

    So Michael Trumble attends the Bill Leak public memorial and uses it as a platform to rush through changes to 18c by saying absolutely nothing about freedom of speech and the need to rid ourselves of the RDA.

    Delivering a tribute to Leak, he said he and Lucy first met Leak about 30 years ago, during the famous Spycatcher case in which Malcolm and Lucy took on the British intelligence establishment.
    Mr Turnbull said Leak’s portrait of him had won the people’s prize of the Archibald Prize but not the actual prize.

    Once again, it was all about Malcolm.

  197. .

    . When President Trump’s first executive order was struck down, that was clearly a power-grab by the judiciary of the executive branch’s power.

    No. This is partisan dreck. The executive is already far too powerful.

  198. Elle

    Thanks for that Tip, Helen. Cheers.

  199. This week the monorail salesman from The Simpsons paid a visit to South Australia. Only this time he was selling giant uneconomic batteries instead of shooting people through vacuum-tubes.

    No Cory, the vacuum tube thing is Futurama, not Simpsons. SHAME.

  200. duncanm

    Gotta love the greens.

    Euthanase dogs – bad
    Euthanase people – good

  201. Eyrie

    Politics amongst any alien race is sufficient to explain the Fermi Paradox.

  202. notafan

    Delivering a tribute to Leak, he said he and Lucy first met Leak about 30 years ago, during the famous Spycatcher case in which Malcolm and Lucy took on the British intelligence establishment.

    And didn’t Leak sue Turnbull over his book about that and Turnbull settle out of court?

    A man with no shame

  203. Bruce of Newcastle

    Tesla* and SolarCity are dead companies walking but SpaceX is doing OK.

    SpaceX lights up the Florida night sky as it blasts communications satellite into orbit

    So if Mr Musk manages one live company out of three he can be proud.
    Although the sooner the other two expire the better.

    * Tesla might possibly survive as a premium car producer like a Lotus or a Ferrari.

  204. Herodotus

    ABC News asserts that Trump’s plan to cut funding to the Environmental Protection Agency will hurt his own supporters.

  205. .

    m0nty
    #2329286, posted on March 17, 2017 at 3:22 pm
    This week the monorail salesman from The Simpsons paid a visit to South Australia. Only this time he was selling giant uneconomic batteries instead of shooting people through vacuum-tubes.

    No Cory, the vacuum tube thing is Futurama, not Simpsons. SHAME.

    No.

    Please refer to Simpsons Season 5, Episode 9: The Last Temptation of Homer.

  206. BrettW

    Definition of hypocrisy :

    Bill Shorten and Union leaders campaigning for penalty rates.

  207. Mitch – You need to back that statement up with defensible science.

    Oh please no, don’t start this.

    Yes, Mitch, you’re right – global warming, argghghgh, we’re all gonna die, have to do something about it, yadadadada.

  208. Leigh Lowe

    Once again, it was all about Malcolm.

    Given it was supposed to be a eulogy for another man, it contained copious amounts of the vertical pronoun.

  209. feelthebern

    Any Cat’s get to the Bill Leak memorial?
    If so, it’s not to late to drop a sick fart near Malcolm.

  210. No.

    Please refer to Simpsons Season 5, Episode 9: The Last Temptation of Homer.

    No.

    Cory was talking about s04e12, Marge vs. the Monorail.

  211. Nick

    It’s live on FOXTEL too Bern.

  212. DrBeauGan

    Hey. We’re trying to teach monty to not argue by authority.

    Now there’s a waste of time. If it were a choice between teaching m0nty anything versus teaching a horse calculus, I’d try the horse.

  213. val majkus

    and for those cats who are salivating for legal precedents to presidential plenary power over immigration here’s a good link and a bit of cut and paste:

    Without the plenary power doctrine, the system of constitutional rights that has evolved to protect Americans from an overbearing government would instead operate to shield deportable aliens from basic enforcement of U.S. immigration law while subtly suggesting, incorrectly, that aliens have some “right” to immigrate here in the first place. Such an immigration system would no longer operate for the benefit of the American people as our immigration system always has; it would instead exist for the benefit of people around the globe. The entire notion of an immigration policy — a system that exists primarily for the benefit of the host country and secondarily for the alien — would be turned on its head.

    It is possible that the Supreme Court will take a more supportive position of the plenary power as a result of new appointments to the Court, and as a response to lower courts going too far in dismissing the power.104 But if the political branches want to reassert their authority in the regulation of immigration, they will have to take the initiative by drafting focused legislation and vigorously enforcing existing immigration laws. Additionally, political branch attorneys should argue not only the substantive matters in immigration-related cases, but should also routinely challenge the courts on the ease with which they dismiss the plenary power. Two strategies might be useful in limiting judicial regulation of immigration policy: advocacy of the Chevron deference, and an expanded expedited removal process.

    Chevron Deference. Immigration authorities should invoke the Chevron doctrine in court and argue that agencies are better equipped to handle immigration regulation than any judicial authority. In the 1984 case Chevron, U.S.A., Inc. v. NRDC, the Supreme Court held that when it comes to interpreting ambiguous statutory language, if the agency responsible for administering the statute at issue has rulemaking or adjudication authority, then courts should give deference to the agency’s reasonable interpretation of the statute’s language.105 Specifically, the Court held:

    “When a court reviews an agency’s construction of the statute which it administers, it is confronted with two questions. First, always, is the question whether Congress has directly spoken to the precise question at issue. If the intent of Congress is clear, that is the end of the matter; for the court, as well as the agency, must give effect to the unambiguously expressed intent of Congress. If, however, the court determines Congress has not directly addressed the precise question at issue, the court does not simply impose its own construction on the statute, as would be necessary in the absence of an administrative interpretation. Rather, if the statute is silent or ambiguous with respect to the specific issue, the question for the court is whether the agency’s answer is based on a permissible construction of the statute.”106

    The Court also noted that the agency’s interpretation need not be the only possible interpretation and that a court should not “substitute its own construction of a statutory provision for a reasonable interpretation made by the administrator of an agency.” Only if an agency’s interpretation of a statute is “arbitrary, capricious, or manifestly contrary to the statute” should courts intervene.107 The logic is that the agency is staffed with individuals who are experts in the subject matter and more knowledgeable than a judge when it comes to interpreting and applying the statute. This is what has come to be known as the Chevron deference analysis. And for reasons outlined by the Supreme Court over the past century, immigration regulation is unquestionably deserving of such analysis. In fact, Chevron has been used by the Supreme Court as well as lower courts in the immigration context.108 Ultimately, courts invoking Chevron are less likely to substitute an agency’s interpretation and enforcement of immigration statutes for the court’s own. This undoubtedly protects some authority of the political branches over immigration regulation. Of course, serious constitutional issues will not be overlooked by the courts, and the burden will remain on the immigration authorities to argue any such issues. And therein lies the weakness of the Chevron analysis: The anti-plenary crowd has been working overtime to grant all aliens the constitutional protections of U.S. citizens by interpreting many standard immigration issues as “constitutional” in nature, as explored earlier. The Chevron doctrine, then, works best on smaller, statutory issues that do not directly raise constitutional analysis. Finally, the doctrine’s success will require Congress to draft immigration statutes in a way that clearly grants authority to the executive’s immigration agencies.

  214. Herodotus

    Left media are overjoyed at the Dutch election result because “Geert Wilders didn’t get the increase that the polls predicted”.
    They are quite unconcerned that (1) the polls once again got it wrong, and (2) that the Labour party was decimated. No doubt the increase in the Green vote made up for that.
    The fact that Wilders and his lot got a healthy increase in seats continues to be glossed over.

  215. .

    monty

    That’s why he said “the difference”…clearly Lyle Lanley did some dodgy work for ol’ Burnsie.

  216. Mitch M.

    That’s what I mean. I made it clear I won’t discuss AGW but of course someone has to big note themselves. Who the hell is Bruce of Newcastle? I know nothing about him, I don’t want to know anything about him because obviously he can’t read that well yet he wants to have a scientific discussion addressing a very complex issue on a friggin blog WTF is wrong with him that he even thinks that is an appropriate way to discuss science. Bloody bloggers, all they want to do is fight and hurl insults.

    Don’t do it here Bruce, point to some of your publications on the matter. Then I’ll get back to you.

  217. John64

    Maxwell a ton – you little ripper!

  218. Infidel Tiger

    Bring back Maxwell – No let’s stick with Mitch Marsh for 30 Tests.

  219. .

    shield deportable aliens

    That’s the point. Darweesh et. al., were not deportable under administrative law and due process.

  220. Herodotus

    He can’t read that well! Thanks for playing, Mitch. You can go now.

  221. srr

    Keep making shit up Dot.

    Keep piling it high.

    Keep telling people they better not to look for what you lie isn’t there.

    You’re painting a horrifically real picture of yourself, and God knows some people need to be scared straight.

  222. Empire GTHO Phase III

    LOL. The petulant thermogeddonist ring in wants to take on Bruce.

    More popcorn please.

  223. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 4h4 hours ago

    One of the examples Google cited as “offensive” content that it would ban is a website about how Islam is “intolerant”. This is a fact.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7FMFWbX0AAUXBL.jpg

  224. .

    srr
    #2329311, posted on March 17, 2017 at 3:46 pm
    Keep making shit up Dot.

    Keep piling it high.

    Keep telling people they better not to look for what you lie isn’t there.

    You’re painting a horrifically real picture of yourself, and God knows some people need to be scared straight.

    You could answer some questions, like why you believe this nonsense when it has only ever turned up failed predictions.

    Or why after six weeks, 72 “big time” and “imminent” indictments/arrests of US political heavyweights has turned up nothing.

    I really don’t have any power over the US criminal justice system, but if you believe in a patsy with a fake crime, fake arrest, fake investigation, fake pre trial plea, fake indictment, falsely being held without fake bail and pending fake incarceration in a fake gaol with fake beatings, fake sodomy and fake suffering…I have a pizza shop atop the Sydney Harbour Bridge to sell to you.

  225. cohenite

    val majkus

    #2328946, posted on March 17, 2017 at 10:02 am

    the fate of Trump’s latest EO:

    Thanks Val for the link. Trump is going through a system contaminated by Obama to an extent far in excess of democratic checks and balances. These activist Judges are quite simply subverting the interests of their nation. Trump either has to think of a way to bypass the bottleneck or be content when the next muslim attack occurs to point a very loud finger Obama and his Judges.

  226. Nick

    Barry Humphries speaking now at the Leak memorial. Gee he’s good, but he’s looking like Claude, the lesbian in the Bazza McKenzie film.

  227. val majkus

    agreed Cohenite; check out the legal precedents!

  228. Senile Old Guy

    ABC political correspondent:

    It’s the great gas robbery. And it’s right before us in our utility bills. When you next look in horror at your gas bill, think this: you are the unwitting victim of a gigantic game of risk shifting by the multinationals. These companies have played the domestic customer on a break, because they saw something we didn’t see two years ago.

    Nope. You are the victim of the ABC and sundry other purveyors of AGW doom and environmental disaster. They have been campaigning hard against any industry which extracts useful stuff from Australia.

    And anyone with a brain saw this coming.

  229. feelthebern

    Is Triggs at the Bill Leak gig?
    Maybe she’s disguised as the safe schools gimp.

  230. Philippa Martyr

    Gotta love the greens.

    Euthanase dogs – bad
    Euthanase people – good

    This is so vexing.

    I support Cat Haven, a cat rehousing charity here in Perth, precisely because they DO euthanise. I heartily approve of euthanasia for sick animals, feral cats, and those that can’t be rehoused within a decent period of time. Living in a shelter is no life for a cat. And Cat Haven do it, but unwillingly and as a last resort.

    But there are other animal charities in Perth that refuse to euthanise, so the animals that don’t get adopted either have to live in pens in increasingly overcrowded conditions, and/or get sick and die. Those ones don’t get a penny from me, and I wouldn’t get an animal from them either.

  231. Bruce of Newcastle

    Don’t do it here Bruce, point to some of your publications on the matter.

    Mitch – OK, here you go. There is enough information in the comment below the graph for you to replicate the estimate. You just need a spreadsheeting program and some downloaded data. I get an ECS of 0.7 C/doubling via this method. No one has falsified this analysis after several years.

    I’ve many publications in science, and I’ve even done paid work in the climate space although that is not my career field.

  232. Philippa Martyr

    PS Cat Haven is a good charity, and you should give them money. Gina Rinehart does!

    And you can get to adopt a perfectly splendid creature like this one, if you’re really lucky, like we were.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    Trump can’t do anything until Gorsuch is sworn in.

    Until then he is at the mercy of leftist activist.

    The judiciary must be obliterated and all lawyers tortured and raped with the Constitution.

  234. JC

    USSR

    The pizza ‘goat’ bullshit was your Waterloo of Waterloos. Not even Catallaxy’s height impaired and biggest psych ward booster, mickie goldcoast could get you out of that insane pickle. Apologise and walk away. That’s all you can do now. Listen to my advice for once in your miserable life.

  235. Nick

    I first read it as Cat Heaven.

  236. .

    This gas reservation policy is in a small way, going to turn us into an economic backwater.

    Let’s reserve all commodities. What do they think will happen to about 1/5th of all Australian jobs (exporters)…or those in industries servicing exporters?

    A genuine “national interest test” for energy would result in cuts to exploration and extraction royalties, abolition of excise, privatisation and allowing open entry to all energy technologies and removing several planning laws that would hinder the private building of new dams, nuke/coal power stations, etc. No RET, subsidies or energy taxes.

    “National interest” is simply a fancy way of saying “a policy I like”.

  237. Helen

    Truffles at the memorial

    #FakeTears

  238. LOL. The petulant thermogeddonist ring in wants to take on Bruce.

    More popcorn please.

    Yeah, this is gonna be brutal.

    I take back my earlier comment, Mitch. We all think global warming is a dud and that people who believe in it are purveyors of #Fake Science.

  239. cohenite

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #2329276, posted on March 17, 2017 at 3:13 pm

    I think AGW is a problem. We can’t just keep pouring this stuff into the air and not expect some blowback.

    Mitch – You need to back that statement up with defensible science.

    We are getting blowback: a greening world and increasing agricultural yields. The proportion of extra CO2 from humans is less than 3% of the annual flux according to the IPCC (Figure 7.3 AR4) and the amount of CO2 from humans as a proportion of atmospheric increase, the Airborne Fraction (AF), has not changed in 150 years. If the AF is LESS than the increase in atmospheric CO2 then a good argument can be mounted that the increase in CO2 is not primarily due to humans.

    Alarmism has no defensible science. I do wish the alarmist trolls who come here were competent and not just arrogant little shits.

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