Open Forum: March 18, 2017

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  1. bystander

    The captain of the Lyubov Orlova spoke only Russian, and the captain of the naval ship spoke only Spanish. To co-ordinate the rescue operation the communication was from the naval ship captain to a passenger who spoke English and a little Spanish to a crew member who spoke a little English and Russian and vice versa.

  2. Bandit

    Pull your truck off the road as I have done.

    How do you make a living then? I used to do a delivery run and was thinking of driving semis but you have me thinking twice. Is the trucking industry so bad?

  3. srr

    Aussie’s are only held back by PC BS, but when we are allowed to make movies again … watch out –

    SPIDER — Short film written by Nash Edgerton & David Michôd. Directed by Nash Edgerton.

  4. Entropy

    It’s my fault, I originally engaged Johanna on her rant about Microsoft not wanting to keep upgrading her old software on her old computer every year until doomsday for free.

    I will not make the same mistake again.

  5. srr

    Bear by Nash Edgerton: VICE Shorts

  6. Leigh Lowe

    Jasper Jones will score five stars from every fillem critic in the land … one star for each person who will buy a ticket to see it.

  7. calli

    You’re an excellent raconteur, LL. Beware of other passengers who use you to entertain them. They are the living end.

  8. I will not make the same mistake again.

    It wasn’t a “mistake”, Entropy. It led to a lively discussion about the pros and cons (mostly cons) of licenced software, and, I think, gave Johanna and others a wider perspective on the issue than they started with. There was an interesting offshoot on Linux and a few other things.

    Pretty much the sort of thing most of us read the open threads for, especially on weekends.

  9. Tel

    Charles Murray to speak. Murray’s most controversial book was his 1994 The Bell Curve. In that work, Murray argued the indisputable point that IQ is strongly correlated with labour market success;

    Funny how “indisputable” this point is… when you look at the data the R² is about 30%, consistently across many studies. For example Table 1 p.113 here:

    http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ321/orazem/Lindqvist_noncognitive.pdf

    That’s not to say that having a variable which explains 30% of the outcome is completely irrelevant; at a Poker table having a 30% prediction of your opponent’s behaviour could well deliver a winning edge, but let’s avoid calling it “strongly correlated” when it’s actually quite weakly correlated. Most social science outcomes are at a similarly weak level, because humans are intrinsically difficult to predict. They all want to pretend they can deliver comparable outcomes to the physical sciences, but they can’t and that’s the real “indisputable point”.

    Molyneux goes on and on, as if the R² was closer to 80% or 90% and it’s frankly annoying to see him kidding himself like that. He’s not a complete dope, I presume he kids himself by choice because he always talks about the importance of looking at the data, even when he isn’t looking.

    I might also point out that IQ tests structured around Western society, language, and values can provide some level of prediction towards labour market success in a similar society as the IQ test was structured towards. This isn’t terribly surprising, indeed I would expect that a half hour interview and seat of the pants guesstimate would also deliver predictability of at least 30%, perhaps better.

  10. johanna

    Winston Smith EWLOB26051952M
    #2330753, posted on March 19, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    Stackja;

    But the Sunday Herald Sun can reveal the state government is set to automatically order 15GL a year in the future, in a bid to keep the plant from breaking down again after being mothballed for years.

    It’s the Australian version of the Indian White Elephant – the asking price is not the issue – the upkeep is where the dollar meets the plughole.

    Precisely. Pollies just love announcing and opening new stuff, like schools and hospitals. We (or even better, the Feds) spent a zillion dollars on this! Woo Hoo!

    What is never mentioned is that said pollie monuments continue to cost millions for ever after.

  11. Nick

    I had a look at the plot synopsis for Wog Boy 2 the other day, another one of our publicly funded gems. It was so bad, how it got green lit is unfathomable.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    I’ll be damned if I am going to watch any “bear” videos posted on the internet.

  13. egg_

    Looks like Insiders false narrative for the day will somehow frame the electricity crisis on lack of renewables not base load generation.

    ‘When too many renewballs are not enough!’

  14. Senile Old Guy

    Jasper Jones will score five stars from every fillem critic in the land … one star for each person who will buy a ticket to see it.

    It already has. David Stratten thinks it is great.

  15. Entropy

    Leigh Lowe
    #2330802, posted on March 19, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Jasper Jones will score five stars from every fillem critic in the land … one star for each person who will buy a ticket to see it.

    If it’s Australian, it isn’t worth watching.And certainly not worth paying a ticket for it. You have already paid for it in your taxes.

    If you must watch it out of some sort of perverse self-hate, channel BT it. There must be some lefties that will care enough to rip it eventually.

  16. Senile Old Guy

    Nope. For PCs, you own the computer if you buy it.

    SOG, this conversation has been going for three pages now, and from the beginning, it has been about the licenced software, NOT the hardware it runs on.

    I realise that but it was not clear that some commenting were aware of the hardware/software distinction. Microsoft and Apple have been bagged but most commercial software is licensed not sold.

  17. Nick

    Jasper Jones is the goose that lays golden eggs for luvvies:
    Play: Governmenu grant to write
    Performance: Government grant
    Movie: Federally funded and tax breaks
    All actively promoted via publucally funded media

  18. srr

    A N D … one of The Best Movies EVA!!! … The Ultimate Aussie Road Trip Movie …

    The Magician – Trailer #1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk8bPiTSKbs

    … and, why he hasn’t become a household name after that movie he made for a couple or few grand, that the world raved about …

    scott (the magician) ryan

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Alistair Horne’s classic work “A Savage War Of Peace”

    Zulu, a long time ago, and they were different Frenchmen then….

    Interesting to see what the veterans of Indochina and Algeria, particularly the survivors of the Viet Minh prison camps, think of France today. Was it all really worth it?

  20. Tel

    I realise that but it was not clear that some commenting were aware of the hardware/software distinction. Microsoft and Apple have been bagged but most commercial software is licensed not sold.

    Microsoft and Apple offer software bundled with the hardware, when you buy the hardware and start it running it pops up a screen asking you to agree to the terms of the software license. At that stage you have three options: [A] agree to it, or [B] take everything back to the store for a refund, or [C] don’t agree, wipe the hard drive and use some other software.

    A lot of people click that they agree without reading the agreement and then later bitch about what they agreed to. If we are going to have a society where the concept of making agreements is meaningful, then such people need to be held to what they clicked on. If that’s a problem then don’t agree to random shit that pops up.

    Possibly a better system is to settle that only a formal written document with a signature constitutes a contract. I’d be happy with that, but then we need to change the law and make everyone understand that’s how it works. There would be some reaction from the software industry no doubt… and of course our chosen representatives might be very concerned about upsetting their constituency.

  21. JC

    Pretty much the sort of thing most of us read the open threads for, especially on weekends.

    This sort of indiscreet nonsense, right?

    johanna
    #2330396, posted on March 18, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    Mayday Housewarming Party at Rabz’ new place. Cat Sydney-siders email to Sinc to pass on contact details for our mass invite.

    Just don’t wear stiletto heels on the polished floors, as his ex did at his 50th. He was filthy about it.

    He’s very fussy about that kind of thing.

    You like reading mendacious nonsense like that, or it’s my responses to this vile retard?

    Do you know what happened to the books, Vaultaire?

  22. Like Winston, I pop out for a while, pop back in for a look, and see this:

    You did, JC.
    I asked you, politely, to stop acting like a spoiled child.
    You declined. End of story.

    Yep, nothing has changed.
    Some people are incapable of conducting themselves as an adult.
    I see it every day. All day, in real life.

  23. rickw

    Interesting to see what the veterans of Indochina and Algeria, particularly the survivors of the Viet Minh prison camps, think of France today. Was it all really worth it?

    I think the lesson is, and this is equally applicable to Australia, there’s no point going to war and then not coming home and finishing the job. If they send you away to “fight for freedom” then you should absolutely fucking demand it when you get home.

    The first thing Australian WWII vets and even Vietnam Vets should have done when they got home was rounded up every dock “worker”, fucking executed them and then kept going until they’d reached the end of the line of mongrels who were sniping at them from their flank.

    Who was the arsehole politicians who warned returned WWII vets about becoming “capitalists”? Should have been on the shooting list as well.

  24. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2330804, posted on March 19, 2017 at 1:13 pm

    It wasn’t a “mistake”, Entropy. It led to a lively discussion about the pros and cons (mostly cons) of licenced software, and, I think, gave Johanna and others a wider perspective on the issue than they started with. There was an interesting offshoot on Linux and a few other things.

    Maybe so MV, but what sort of an entertaining discussion is it when pointing out the fallacy of a belief you get abused in return?

  25. Zyconoclast

    And there are members of the Coalition still wanting to placate politicized homosexuality. FMD.

    Dover
    Your powers of prediction will be remarkable.
    I’m sure their plans include:
    SSM
    Polygamy variations
    Inscest
    Beastiality
    P3do
    FMD immediately followed by necrophilia.

  26. JC

    Some people are incapable of conducting themselves as an adult.
    I see it every day. All day, in real life.

    +1 Basil. Is how you do it?

    Go take your grievances against me back your own unread blog – or failing that perhaps to the Women’s Studies program at your local university 4 thousand miles south.

    The way you behave and act out here is exactly how you act in your own private life. You hero. Four men attacking this dude and and Basil at the rear…. just like he behaves here.

  27. Just don’t wear stiletto heels on the polished floors, as his ex did at his 50th.
    He was filthy about it.

    Nah, JC. I find that almost as boring as:

    We went out this evening and had corned beef at friends’ place.
    It’s really delicious. It’s possibly the only decent meal to come out of norther Europe.

    But like most people here, I just scroll past. In neither case do I feel the need to harangue the writer at every opportunity, for the next three months.

    Do you know what happened to the books, Vaultaire?

    JC, to answer that, I’d have to have a little more detail. I have written three published books:
    Dole Bludging, A Taxpayer’s Guide.
    You’re The Boss, O.K.
    The Greenhoax Effect.
    Which one(s) are you and Fisky chasing, and where are you looking?

  28. JC

    In case anyone wants to know where the pic came from. It’s from basil’s unread blog. here.

    http://the-public-house.blogspot.com.au/2007/12/full-service-eviction.html

    He was bragging about attacking a person in his pub in pack formation. Always the hero at the rear.

  29. Goanna

    John C
    So far it is only modern heavy vehicles that are being booked off computer records, but once the system works for them, then comes private cars.

    These officious dictators will fine the working man for getting his spelling wrong in the log book.

  30. C.L.

    I saw a newspaper advert for Jasper Jones the other day.
    Something like …

    Jasper Jones

    “Mesmerising”

    – The Guardian

    “Brilliant.”

    – Sydney Morning Herald

    “Heartwarming.”

    – SBS

    So I knew immediately it was total garbage.

  31. JC

    Which one(s) are you and Fisky chasing, and where are you looking?

    Which ones? You know, the one’s Fisk asked about that were missing from the Library and you had to race off to bed that evening. Remember?

    Start a blog page because I and others have some serious questions to ask you about unresolved questions during the 80’s.

  32. srr

    Secretary Tillerson Arrives In China – Flight Time Interview…
    Posted on March 18, 2017 by sundance

    Last Thursday Secretary T-Rex was in Japan (below left); Friday he was in South Korea (below right); tonight (tomorrow local) Secretary Tillerson will arrive in China.

    During a flight between nations, Secretary Tillerson gave an interview to IJR reporter Erin McPike. A full audio file has been provided CLICK HERE* (will open in separate window) The interview is almost 30 minutes in duration and takes place aboard the flight.

    In addition, IJR has posted a transcript of the interview which is AVAILABLE HERE*.

    I would again strongly urge everyone to ignore the media presentations of the comments from Secretary Tillerson, and instead go directly to the unfiltered source material.

    The Audio Interview is very interesting. Understandably, with the full content available, the DC media and their Deep State partnerships are frustrated and angry about their inability to manipulate the Tillerson narrative.

    * Continue reading →

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/18/secretary-tillerson-arrives-in-china-flight-time-interview/

  33. johanna

    That’s not to say that having a variable which explains 30% of the outcome is completely irrelevant; at a Poker table having a 30% prediction of your opponent’s behaviour could well deliver a winning edge, but let’s avoid calling it “strongly correlated” when it’s actually quite weakly correlated. Most social science outcomes are at a similarly weak level, because humans are intrinsically difficult to predict. They all want to pretend they can deliver comparable outcomes to the physical sciences, but they can’t and that’s the real “indisputable point”.

    Molyneux goes on and on, as if the R² was closer to 80% or 90% and it’s frankly annoying to see him kidding himself like that. He’s not a complete dope, I presume he kids himself by choice because he always talks about the importance of looking at the data, even when he isn’t looking.

    I might also point out that IQ tests structured around Western society, language, and values can provide some level of prediction towards labour market success in a similar society as the IQ test was structured towards. This isn’t terribly surprising, indeed I would expect that a half hour interview and seat of the pants guesstimate would also deliver predictability of at least 30%, perhaps better.

    Hear, hear, Tel.

    Molyneux is like the club bore when you listen to his monologues. “When I was in India” is substituted, but you get the idea.

    OTOH, he is very good when interacting with others.

    Avoid the pompous monologues, but at least check out the interviews.

  34. when pointing out the fallacy of a belief you get abused in return?

    Yes, I agree Mark, the lady can get a bit grumpy.
    I’ve been on the receiving end a few times myself.
    But there were plenty of interesting comments by other contributors.

  35. Lol, pot-gutted juvenile JC seems to be mixing me up with someone else.
    Too stupid to get facts straight – yep, that’s JC.

    JC is making the Cat into Lavatory Rodeo – no surprise.

  36. Which ones? You know, the one’s Fisk asked about that were missing from the Library and you had to race off to bed that evening. Remember?

    No JC, seriously. I don’t remember.
    I don’t even know which library you’re looking in.
    Just tell me now, and I’ll do what I can to assist.
    There’s only three books to choose from.
    I’m not going start an entire blog over it.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    You’re an excellent raconteur, LL. Beware of other passengers who use you to entertain them. They are the living end.

    Raconteur? Is that French for racketeer?
    My foolproof way of shaking holiday nuisances is to take them into my confidence and furtively whisper to them that I am in witness protection.
    They tend to give you a wide berth if they suspect they may be collateral damage in a mafia hit.

  38. JC

    Basil

    You were bragging with that thread to guess which of the four losers attacking that person was you. You’re the overweight boofhead at the rear , as someone said in the comments section… No?

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Memory Vault, did you ever get anywhere with updating “A dole bludgers guide?”

  40. struth

    How do you make a living then? I used to do a delivery run and was thinking of driving semis but you have me thinking twice. Is the trucking industry so bad?

    I own my Kenworth outright.
    I am doing up my house at the moment and believe it or not, play music for about a third of what I was making on the road.
    For about a 50th of the effort.
    I do a bit of tour driving in the season now.
    I have Mrs Struth making good money, and kids are gone.
    It is about reward for effort, and believe my, interstate truck driving doesn’t reward you, it punishes you and rewards those who carry out the punishment.
    The roads have deteriorated and the law and scalies are seriously into transferring your hard earned wealth, corruptly and enthusiastically dreaming up all sorts of bullshit to do it, and truckies are ripe for the picking.
    You are considered by the general population to be sub human trash, and you will work all hours of the day and night to bring food shelter and , well, everything, to those that turn their nose up at you, yet would shit themselves in a second if put behind the wheel.
    You will most likely end up single, overweight, bad backed, and depressed, as most are.
    Forget it , Bandit.
    You’re better off on the dole than killing yourself to fund this socialist shit hole.

  41. JC

    Vaultaire

    Enough of the dissembling. Fisk or someone else has said the two obscure books that went missing weren’t the obscure books you wrote. They were written by others containing a history or your bizarre activities in the 80s.

    I’m not going start an entire blog over it.

    Doesn’t have to be an entire blog…. just a open blog page with a comments section. Others will do the rest.

  42. JC

    I’ve decided to change Monst’s golfing pic to the one displaying Basil’s “brazen bravery”. Brazen!

  43. Memory Vault, did you ever get anywhere with updating “A dole bludgers guide?”

    Sort-of, Zulu. I decided to go the whole nine yards and include extensions of all the stuff that’s been discussed here – things like superannuation, the original compulsory super scheme, the planned introduction of a voice recognition ID system, and a breakdown of who actually runs the country.

    I’m still trying to prise info out of assorted government departments. I’ve currently got about 30 active FOI requests. It’s slow work for an old bloke with only half a functioning brain.

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You are considered by the general population to be sub human trash, and you will work all hours of the day and night to bring food shelter and , well, everything, to those that turn their nose up at you, yet would shit themselves in a second if put behind the wheel.

    Sounds like running a farm to me – deemed too stupid to go to Uni, and you put up with a lot of crap about “a social license to farm” from morons who have never so much as grown a cabbage in their garden in their lives.

  45. johanna

    I’m wondering about how Tim Blair can hold back from responding to (Dr – for a Dr he is) Chris Sheil’s self promoting supposed memoriam to Bill Leak recently published at ABC Online.

    Old hands remember the battle where Blair trounced Sheil, horse, foot, and artillery.

    Now Sheil is a maggot on the corpse of the great man. C’mon, Tim!

  46. srr

    President Trump: U.S. Economic Fallout

    With @PeterSchiff and @StefanMolyneux

  47. Sounds like running a farm to me – deemed too stupid to go to Uni, and you put up with a lot of crap about “a social license to farm” from morons who have never so much as grown a cabbage in their garden in their lives.

    Truckies cop it worse in a lot of ways.
    But yeah, your point is valid.

    Them who’ve seen a screen grab by a PETA-influenced celebrity, and now think they have all the answers.
    Some have even read a journal about farming, and consequently have a head full of theories.

    Heck, I’ve even seen blokes from different parts of the country try to implement the same farming methods in another region, and fall flat.

  48. Infidel Tiger

    JC is one of the few farmers on this blog (cattle I believe is his trade) so perhaps we could defer to him regarding the troubles of the man on the land.

  49. egg_

    Guy Pearce and Sam Worthington team up as a pair of knock-about, tough as ol’ boot nails, Aussie brothers who make a living shooting kangaroos. Their relationship is tested when Pearce meets Deborah Mailman, an aboriginal woman who teaches the local Jawoyn language at the mission school. Worthington is enraged when Pearce carrys wears a frock made from the Aboriginal flag at the local Anzac Day march.

    FTFY.

  50. egg_

    You are considered by the general population to be sub human trash, and you will work all hours of the day and night to bring food shelter and , well, everything, to those that turn their nose up at you, yet would shit themselves in a second if put behind the wheel.

    +1 anyone who actually does anything other than shuffling paperwork.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    JC is one of the few farmers on this blog (cattle I believe is his trade) so perhaps we could defer to him regarding the troubles of the man on the land.

    Indeed.

  52. JC

    Not me, Artiste.

    basil seems to be the only “real” farmer around here as he’s a weal astyan. Brazen hero too, especially from the rear. But he doesn’t like bragging.

  53. Eddystone

    There is still a lot of good stuff on the cat, but I now find myself scrolling more than reading, especially in the open thread.

    Sad.

  54. C.L.

    A Trump classic:

    Trump on Elizabeth Warren: Pocahontas Would Not Be Proud of Her.

    I think she’d lose so badly. I think she hurt, honestly. I think she hurt Hillary Clinton very badly. I watched those speeches, the anger the hatred in her heart. And I said, you know, she’s really bad for Hillary. I watched those last couple weeks and she was getting up with that craziness and that anger. Pocahontas would not be proud of her as her representative. Believe me.

    Video at link.

  55. JC is one of the few farmers on this blog (cattle I believe is his trade) so perhaps we could defer to him regarding the troubles of the man on the land.

    He’s likely right now negotiating with a shearing contractor to have the mob crutched – or perhaps he’s having them mulesed.

  56. struth

    Pearce meets Deborah Mailman, an aboriginal woman who teaches the local Jawoyn language at the mission school.

    Is Deborah Mailman playing an aboriginal woman?
    I know many aboriginal people that would laugh at that.
    Politically (Marxist) correct holds no sway on remote aboriginal communities to this stuff.
    It’s either correct or it isn’t.
    Without a shit load of make up, that they won’t use, Ms Mailman (yes that traditional aboriginal name, Mailman) could only be seriously advertised to sane people as an aboriginal descendant.

  57. JC

    He’s likely right now negotiating with a shearing contractor to have the mob crutched – or perhaps he’s having them mulesed.

    As I prove just how easy farming is. I haven’t been up to the farm for literally around 12 months and it continues to produce an okay farmlike return.

    I mean baz, it’s not exactly brain surgery, is it?

  58. Tel

    OTOH, he is very good when interacting with others.

    Avoid the pompous monologues, but at least check out the interviews.

    You mean, he is good when he sits and shuts up and lets someone else do the talking?

    Yeah, that’s when he is at his best, absolutely.

  59. johanna

    Tel
    #2330821, posted on March 19, 2017 at 1:24 pm

    I realise that but it was not clear that some commenting were aware of the hardware/software distinction. Microsoft and Apple have been bagged but most commercial software is licensed not sold.

    Microsoft and Apple offer software bundled with the hardware, when you buy the hardware and start it running it pops up a screen asking you to agree to the terms of the software license. At that stage you have three options: [A] agree to it, or [B] take everything back to the store for a refund, or [C] don’t agree, wipe the hard drive and use some other software.

    A lot of people click that they agree without reading the agreement and then later bitch about what they agreed to. If we are going to have a society where the concept of making agreements is meaningful, then such people need to be held to what they clicked on. If that’s a problem then don’t agree to random shit that pops up.

    Possibly a better system is to settle that only a formal written document with a signature constitutes a contract. I’d be happy with that, but then we need to change the law and make everyone understand that’s how it works. There would be some reaction from the software industry no doubt… and of course our chosen representatives might be very concerned about upsetting their constituency.

    Sorry,but that’s a load of cobblers.

    Joe or Jan buys a computer with software thst they have already paid for loaded on it, because they have no choice. Then, they are asked to agree to a “contract” of many pages drafted by a zillion lawyers, or they can’t use what they bought, unless they spend even more money and time to get another program. There is no option to negotiate.

    As I said, it’s been interesting flushing out the WormApple and MicroSatan fanbois here.

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    JC is one of the few farmers on this blog (cattle I believe is his trade) so perhaps we could defer to him regarding the troubles of the man on the land.

    Mmmmmyaaaas – curious to know the size of the place, and what he actually runs, though.

  61. JC

    I’ll tell you one of these days, when you aren’t too busy sucking blogdick, Rones.

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2330857, posted on March 19, 2017 at 2:06 pm

    Memory Vault, did you ever get anywhere with updating “A dole bludgers guide?”

    You appear to be too preoccupied these days.

  62. Pedro the Ignorant

    “Jasper Jones” is set in the mythical Western Australian town of “Corrigan”, where all the inhabitants are uncaring racists, the police verbal suspects, and the poor downtrodden aborigines are victims of white oppression.

    The inhabitants of the real Western Australian town of Corrigin are understandably less than happy with this black armband drivel.

    Don’t waste your money.

  63. Gilas

    srr
    posted on March 19, 2017 at 1:05 pm and 1:06 pm

    Great stuff! Puts all the other OZ movie crap in their place.

    johanna
    #2330883, posted on March 19, 2017 at 2:45 pm

    +millions!
    A total con.
    M$oft has always been known as a marketing company which also sells software.

  64. Andrew

    It’s the Australian version of the Indian White Elephant – the asking price is not the issue – the upkeep is where the dollar meets the plughole.

    You know Thailand isn’t India, you waacist?

  65. You appear to be too preoccupied these days.

    Keeps me off the streets.

  66. struth

    Now to work out how many tax payers dollars actually went it to making Jasper Jones.
    What was the percentage of public funding?
    This dribble (before I have even seen it, I bet my knacker next to my left one, it will be) , pure anti western, socialist/Marxist propaganda could never get off the ground without our money.
    No wonder white young men are topping themselves at an alarming rate.

  67. val majkus

    the ABC is at it again:

    The ABC’s daily campaign to discredit the Trump presidency is swinging along, but could I suggest that you ABC people be a bit more subtle about it?

    The ABC’s statutory charter of impartiality is of course a dead letter. But I just think that your Trump-hate would be more effective were it based on even a skerrick of fact and logic.

    Take, for example, the item on last Tuesday night’s ABC TV 7.30, presented by Leigh Sales and compiled by US-based Conor Duffy (the ABC’s former environment correspondent). Unidentified persons in Pennsylvania damaged 100 tombstones at Mt Carmel Jewish cemetery last month. There have also been a spate of bomb hoaxes to Jewish institutions. These were the salient facts in the 7.30 item.

    But as Leigh Sales unctuously introduced the segment: “Some people blame Donald Trump’s incendiary rhetoric for unleashing people’s worst impulses, something Trump backers of course dispute.”

    Meanwhile in America:

    the Trump budget is based on principles that the Founding Fathers would love, i.e. the federal government has no business running everything or funding radio, TV, or the arts!

    Why do we continue to fund the ABC?

  68. struth

    From a quick google, it looks like screen west put up millions of our tax payer dollars for it.
    Surprised?
    That’s a liberal state government funding Marxist propaganda with our taxes.

  69. Hydra

    Srr, that short film looks like Mercer St Geelong.

    Have seen it before I think, isn’t bad.

  70. Senile Old Guy

    Joe or Jan buys a computer with software thst they have already paid for loaded on it, because they have no choice. Then, they are asked to agree to a “contract” of many pages drafted by a zillion lawyers, or they can’t use what they bought, unless they spend even more money and time to get another program. There is no option to negotiate.

    Sure, if you go and buy off the shelf, asking no questions and doing no research. I’ve bought several computers and I ask questions, discuss and negotiate. I get the software and hardware I want. Of course, I have to select from what is available…just like I do with everything.

    You really do not have a clue. Oh, and Linux is free, if I don’t want to pay Microsoft (or Apple).

    Any mobile phone is also a computer. And with an Android, the operating system is included in the price. And there’s a boatload of different options to choose from. And if you really don’t like Android, there is a free operating system (although not easy to use).

  71. Des Deskperson

    ‘From a quick google, it looks like screen west put up millions of our tax payer dollars for it.
    Surprised?’

    A Commonwealth agency called Screen Australia:

    http://www.screenaustralia.gov.au

    also coughed up money for both development and production costs.

    Screen Australia’s mission is ‘to inspire, inform and engage screen audiences through compelling Australian storytelling.’

    There is little evidence on line that the allocation of these funds is based on any form of open, competitive assessment that includes value for money, despite the fact that the agency – as a government authority – is, prima facie, covered by Commonwealth procurement regulations.

    According to the website: ‘Several Indigenous initiatives are available for early-career practitioners – they must be Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander Australians.’

    The cardboard, self-consciously ‘compassionate yet quirky’ ABC TC Drama ‘Newton’s Law’ is underwritten by Screen Australia.

  72. Hydra

    As I prove just how easy farming is. I haven’t been up to the farm for literally around 12 months and it continues to produce an okay farmlike return.

    I mean baz, it’s not exactly brain surgery, is it?

    Easy if others are running it.

  73. Des Deskperson

    ““Jasper Jones” is set in the mythical Western Australian town of “Corrigan”, ”

    Maybe they were trying, albeit rather obscurely, for one last dig at evil Chris Corrrigan

  74. Hydra

    Joe or Jan buys a computer with software thst they have already paid for loaded on it, because they have no choice. Then, they are asked to agree to a “contract” of many pages drafted by a zillion lawyers, or they can’t use what they bought, unless they spend even more money and time to get another program. There is no option to negotiate.

    What an absolutely fantastic example of the difference between demanding something (as in wanting something) and demand in terms of economics.

    You may want something other than Microsoft but no one has made anything commercially viable that you would be able to use, and you presumably don’t want a Mac.

    Supply comes before demand. @Kates

  75. val majkus

    for readers keen to check out all the documents filed in the State of Hawaii et al v. Trump including the judgment link here There’s a huge number of documents filed in support of the Plaintiff’s application and also the Govt response to the application. The 43 page judgment was handed down 2 hours after hearing and curiously the judgment issued in Marylands was also a 43 page judgment and bears a curious resemblance to the Hawaii one

  76. BrettW

    I see JC, the resident King Troll and example of how not to behave on a forum, is having another fun day of insults and arguments.

    Hi JC ! Always fun to see you commenting on forum behaviour. Your hypocrisy is something to behold.

    You are living proof that money can’t buy class or happiness.

  77. Leigh Lowe

    Maybe they were trying, albeit rather obscurely, for one last dig at evil Chris Corrrigan

    Ha, ha.
    Lefties are not very subtle in such matters.
    A relative was recently working on the ABC series “Glitch” which features a company called “Noregard Pharmaceuticals”.
    Get it?
    No regard Pharmaceuticals.
    Oh, and unlike commercial productions which wring every last minute out of production time, this one had lots of ABC do-nothings standing around, and every scheduled shooting shift was completed in half the alloted time.
    Efficient?
    Nah. Just padded to the hilt.
    Set up a four hour shift to shoot a 15 second scene.
    It’s all done in 1 hour and everyone goes home with full pockets.

  78. Mark A

    The only computers we ever bought were laptops, for purely practical reasons, ie. hard to source parts. Yes they are available but like building a car from spare parts, costs ten times the buying price of a ready made one.

    All others I selected for the purpose, like the gaming one for the boys with powerful graphics etc…
    There is an endless variety of options and prices if you know what you are doing or spend the time with people who do and can help you.

    Even software, you can buy bootleg OS and Office suits of any flavour at computer markets if you are so inclined.

  79. Senile Old Guy

    You may want something other than Microsoft but no one has made anything commercially viable that you would be able to use, and you presumably don’t want a Mac.

    Microsoft sell software not hardware. All those PCs running Windows are made by companies other than Microsoft. Those PCs can run Linux if you really, really don’t want to buy Microsoft. Of course, you won’t have the options that you have with Windows but you have alternatives.

  80. john constantine

    “Safe fatigue management” is coming to your vehicle sooner or later.

    Their left are trying to breathe life into the “driving tired is worse than driving drunk” meme.

    There are now in vehicle cameras that can monitor the driver, and artificial intelligence programs that can decide that the driver is displaying signs of tiredness.

    The State is always watching you in your car, the onboard computers can book you on behalf of the State, you can’t park anywhere anyway because Big Australia, [unless you are on a road that has become one long trafficsnarled carpark.]

    Once all vehicles become State robot driven and controlled, people will just be relieved to have an end to the soul destroying hassles of being a car owner-driver.

  81. Well well, what a surprise. SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators. Just like that other bastion of “ruinable energy”, Tasmania, had to do. Presumably the diesels will run all summer, and at the end of it we will be told how well the battery worked.

    One can only wonder what it will take for the pollies to wake up.

    RTWT

  82. You are living proof that money can’t buy class or happiness.

    Why would JC want to buy them?
    Neither are tax deductible.

  83. Helen

    Presently we are tying in a trip Hairy must make to Darwin with a few weeks holiday in and around the top end, maybe do Kakadu, then fly to Kunanurra (sp?) and Broome and sightsee from two nice resorts there, hiring an SUV in each, and doing paid air tours to key sites as well.

    Hey Lizzie, drop in and I will organise a yard full of cattle to entertain you! True, I do mean it, would love to have you. Smiling as I am writing this.

  84. Helen

    srr, that spider movie made me jump, three times! Thanks for that

  85. Senile Old Guy

    Presently we are tying in a trip Hairy must make to Darwin with a few weeks holiday in and around the top end, maybe do Kakadu, then fly to Kunanurra (sp?) and Broome and sightsee from two nice resorts there, hiring an SUV in each, and doing paid air tours to key sites as well.

    It is still the Wet Season, so parts of Kakadu may be flooded and inaccessible but you can still do the boat ride on the Alligator. Also, consider Litchfield Park: it is much less well known than Kakadu but is still spectacular, especially when there’s plenty of water around.

  86. Delta A

    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    Wetherdill is anxious to get these smoke belching polluters up and running to avoid any blackouts before the SA election. That’s part of the energy fix he’s been bragging about.

  87. JC

    Another one stuck on grievance grudges.

    Rooster , you’re so gay.

    Focus on recreating the Australian version of drudge report despite not knowing even the basics of HTML You babbling clown.

  88. JC

    Delta A
    #2330916, posted on March 19, 2017 at 4:11 pm

    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    Wetherdill is anxious to get these smoke belching polluters up and running to avoid any blackouts before the SA election. That’s part of the energy fix he’s been bragging about.

    A decent set of Canberra liberals would be literally hounding these fucking losers everyday with what they’re done and what they want to do to electricity supply. But hey, SSM.

  89. A decent set of Canberra liberals would be literally hounding these fucking losers everyday with what they’re done and what they want to do to electricity supply. But hey, SSM.

    You’d think there would be at least one, JC.
    But no, even Bernardi is keeping quiet on the issue.

  90. struth

    But no, even Bernardi is keeping quiet on the issue.

    Bernardi is being kept quiet, by the media, ALA style.

    He had a lot to say about it in his newsletter.

  91. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2330921, posted on March 19, 2017 at 4:24 pm

    You’d think there would be at least one, JC.
    But no, even Bernardi is keeping quiet on the issue.

    I still think Bernardi is going to be flop, or he is more cunning than we give him credit for?

  92. Snoopy

    I trust Weatherill will not anger the Greenies by claiming a diesel fuel ‘subsidy’ for his 200 MW of diesel generators.

  93. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 12h12 hours ago

    Sensitivity counsellors on site for my talk today at Western U:

    Reaction to Prof. Jordan Peterson shows our kids are enrolled at Mollycoddle U

    TORONTO – Back in my college career, it was considered a good day if you weren’t teargassed.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/13/our-kids-enrolled-at-mollycoddle-u?token=f5ca29bec8b7625c2da8a1ce5e6db4c0

  94. stackja

    Regarding MS Office, Libre Office a free alternative. Donations suggested.

  95. Delta A

    I trust Weatherill will not anger the Greenies by claiming a diesel fuel ‘subsidy’ for his 200 MW of diesel generators.

    I’m astonished that the left/Greens are okay with dirty diesel generators. Anything but coal.

  96. He had a lot to say about it in his newsletter.

    I just went and had a read. Apologies, Struth, I stand corrected.

  97. Old School Conservative

    Then, they are asked to agree to a “contract” of many pages drafted by a zillion lawyers, or they can’t use what they bought, unless they spend even more money and time to get another program. There is no option to negotiate.

    Didn’t Choice do a piece recently on the excessive length of contracts/agreements?
    Purchasing a Kindle required reading an agreement that would take 9 hours.

  98. stackja

    BS bullying MPs on homosexual ‘rights’.

  99. Regarding MS Office, Libre Office a free alternative.

    There is one extremely useful tool in MS PowerPoint that I have not seen replicated in any of the Open Office iterations. In PowerPoint you can save a presentation directly as a Flash file, meaning it can be set to play, and be watched, as a video. There are ways to convert an Open Office presentation to Flash, but it involves extra software and work.

  100. cohenite

    Good analysis of the south Australian fuckup and the monstrous stupidity of jay Wetherill by a power plant engineer:

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2017/03/the-coming-power-crisis.html

  101. Myrddin Seren

    Spacechook ON ( scroll alert )

    That bright, hot object in the sky has made a possibly brief reappearance over Sin City.

    Thank goodness. The humidity has been unbelievable and parts of the house are near awash with condensation. It’s like a sauna in places here in Le Shack Chaotic.

    Maximum respect to Territorian Cats living with this all the time.

    I was getting close to suggesting we offer Tim Flannery as a sacrifice to the rain gods for ever allowing our political class to promulgate his bullshit about ‘the rains never returning’. Might still be a good idea to offer the Flan Man up on a platter – Precautionary Principle and all.

    Chook over and out.

  102. Leo G

    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    I trust the supplier has insurance that covers explosive demolition.

  103. JC

    This is truly shocking story.

    Dassi Erlich was sexually abused by her school principal. Now, after a landmark court win, she tells her remarkable story.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/private-lessons-dassi-erlichs-story-of-sexual-abuse/news-story/81118742a49b2d543b3223e35d7b5607

  104. calli

    Is Victoria in drought?

    NSW can send youse some extra.

  105. struth

    I just went and had a read. Apologies, Struth, I stand corrected.

    No need to apologise.
    You shouldn’t have to go looking for it, that’s my point.
    These guys learn nothing from Trump, and don’t have the ticker for what is needed anyway.
    Allowing himself to be silenced by the Australian media is the worst thing he can do.

  106. rickw

    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    It could be amusing when the fucktards try to buy the fuel for them, Australia isn’t exactly up to it’s eyeballs in surplus diesel available at short notice, or the necessary additional storage and transport logistics.

  107. Pedro the Ignorant

    Seventeen ex WA mine site diesel generators already sold to South Australian private customers, firm orders for another six, but unfortunately none for sale in WA (so far).

    I am hoping the Weathedill diesel genny rental plan does not scupper my capitalist exploitation of the electricity deprived SA proletariat.

    Ah, well. It was fun while it lasted, and has the added benefit of making lefty heads explode.

  108. Mark A

    struth
    #2330937, posted on March 19, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    a silly question, did you at any time post under the moniker of “traveling man” or “the traveling man”?
    Not on this forum, I’m talking years ago on an other chat site.
    Ta

  109. Delta A

    Well done, Pedro the (not so) Ignorant.

    We’re looking at giving generators to our kids as Christmas presents this year.

    Sad times in SA.

  110. OneWorldGovernment

    If you do not know Gary Kildall, CP/M nor Cobol and Basic then you have not lived micro computers.

    I think you will find that Gates’ father worked for IBM and Microsoft provided the first OS’s for both Apple and IBM.

  111. BrettW

    JC,
    Are you mocking yourself because when you mention “grievance grudges” you prove my point about your hypocrisy ?

    Considering the number of grudges you have with people here you really are quite the master grudge holder.

    Now why don’t you go and walk down the street or go to a cafe and insult a total stranger. You know want to.

  112. Baldrick

    One can only wonder what it will take for the pollies South Australian voters to wake up.

    It fixes it.

  113. OneWorldGovernment

    And Jo and others,

    Some of the finest computing work was done back in the 1970’s and ’80’s.

    Read the book on algorithms.

  114. Mark A

    Cobol lives on today, and Basic too in various incarnations.
    We used to call Cobol an exercise in typing. Most verbose of computing languages but it’s good at what it does.

  115. Delta A

    Who are your clients, Pedro? I imagine shopping centres, medical and service centres etc. What a laugh that Wetherdill proudly proclaims SA is nearing it’s 50% renewables target, and then he (and half the commercial establishments in the state) rely on dirty diesel generators to achieve our clean, green status.

    Pythonesque.

  116. stackja

    memoryvault – if PowerPoint needed then worth price paid I assume.

  117. JC

    Rooster

    I’ve had litte interaction with for a while now . You’re boring and have nothing to add any conversation. Now today, when you saw the regular scumbags attacking me, you join in.
    Yet you accuse of trolling.
    Fuck off and stop wasting our time you blabbering nincompoop. Go listen to talk back radio.

  118. Delta A

    Baldy, the majority of SA votes Liberal again and again.

    And again and again the Labor party wins government.

    That was about to change and so Wetherdill came up with the diesel generators idea. Interesting times ahead.

  119. calli

    Cats were whingeing earlier about the rubbish Australian movies on offer. This remarkable structure could be an endless source of material for a fillum or a hundred.

    Rivetting stuff. [boomtish]

  120. memoryvault – if PowerPoint needed then worth price paid I assume.

    Now that I am out of the game it doesn’t really matter anymore, Stackja. But back when I was professional, yes MS Office was the only way to go. Over the years I tested several versions of Open Office for compatibility, and always found shortcomings.

    If a client is paying tens of thousands for a report in MS Word, it’s a bad look if page 27 won’t open because an embedded graph produced in Calc won’t open in the client’s older version of Office.

  121. .

    If a client is paying tens of thousands for a report in MS Word, it’s a bad look if page 27 won’t open because an embedded graph produced in Calc won’t open in the client’s older version of Office.

    PDF everything. Alters the metadata they get too. If they need inputs, use values only in near virgin spreadsheets.

  122. incoherent rambler

    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    So rather than Made in OZ gas or coal they have opted for imported diesel*.

    *if the diesel is not imported, the crude it is made from will be. AU crude does not hack it for diesel.

  123. calli

    Yeah, I know. You’d have to weave in a downtrodden aboriginal rigger and a torrid affair betwixt two welders in the lightshop to get government funding.

  124. You’d have to weave in a downtrodden gay muslim aboriginal rigger and a torrid affair betwixt two transgender lesbian welders in the lightshop to get government funding.

    FIFY

  125. .

    You’re othering me with that macroaggression, MV.

    I identify as a gender void silver grey foxkin.

  126. Pedro the Ignorant

    Generator buyers in SA are warehouses, retail distribution centres, a shopping centre, food processing plants, bulk fuel outlets, cabinet maker, poultry farm, agri business, and a couple of (largish) regional private homes.

    The units have been smaller versions (8KVa), there is (or was) a market for bigger gensets in SA, but purchase price and transport costs from the NW of WA to SA is prohibitive for the bigger units.

    The smaller units from minesites have mostly had very little use, being mainly used a back ups for FIFO accomodation blocks, messes and canteens. Bigger units powering or backing up mine machinery are mostly still in use, despite the downturn in FIFO in WA, and “for sale” is hard to find.

  127. OneWorldGovernment

    Mark A
    #2330946, posted on March 19, 2017 at 5:16 pm

    Cobol lives on today, and Basic too in various incarnations.
    We used to call Cobol an exercise in typing. Most verbose of computing languages but it’s good at what it does.

    Mark A,

    LOL. Exercise in typing. Punch cards are the go.

    I used to audit computer programs that JC would use.

    AI programs, the works.

    Helped a few blokes grow their business’.

    What I laugh at is that ‘games’ programs have more mathematics than any other.

    Used to say that if we put some missiles every 5 miles along the West Australian coast with ‘orders’ to blow anyone out of the sky or sea then Australia would have peace.

  128. Tel

    What an absolutely fantastic example of the difference between demanding something (as in wanting something) and demand in terms of economics.

    Next she will be telling us that individual workers cannot possibly negotiate their wages and need to be herded into unions for their own good.

  129. hzhousewife

    Cobol lives on today, and Basic too in various incarnations.

    Fond memories of my first computer languages !

  130. The units have been smaller versions (8KVa), there is (or was) a market for bigger gensets in SA, but purchase price and transport costs from the NW of WA to SA is prohibitive for the bigger units.

    There’s about 250MW + of unused generators lying around up at Gove, Pedro. 190MW was steam driven, and two of the generator/turbine sets are almost brand new (installed 2008). There’s about another 60MW + in smaller, diesel driven generators. As with WA, only ever used when the steam power plant went offline.

    Trouble is, there’s no real road into Gove, only a track. But I know an old bushie name of Struth who has a Kenworth rig that’s doing nothing at the moment. A bit of organisation and you could probably get Kenworth to pony up the costs – it would make an excellent doco.

  131. BrettW

    JC,
    Clearly you must think you represent somebody other than yourself. I am more than happy to waste your time and to show you up for the miserable grub that you are.

    You had been fairly well behaved so far this year. Why revert back to your old ways when it was so much better when you actually pretended to be civilised and laid off the constant daily abuse and arguments ?

    Hey, you have at least another 8 hours before you sign off work here. What are your thoughts on penalty rates because you deserve them.

  132. val majkus

    Good analysis of the south Australian fuckup and the monstrous stupidity of jay Wetherill by a power plant engineer

    thanks for that link cohenite, would be interesting to see what he would say about Turnbull’s ‘nation building’ exercise (the Snowy proposal)

  133. Diogenes

    Ms didnt do the original apple os, but wrote the version of basic apple used.
    Re why ibm went with microsoft rather than cpm, let me recommend the 3 part series, triumph of the nerds by cringely … its old 1999 but the interviews are facinating. Iirc ep 1 is the very early pcs up to the apple 2, ep 2 is the ibm pc , and pt 3 the rise of the ui. Full eps on youtube.

    The followup series nerds 2.0 is also interesting.

  134. Diogenes

    Owg,
    Cobol was not an exercise in typing. We used coding sheets, and the lovely ladies in the punch room dud that nasty typing stuff

  135. JC

    Rooster

    Every single comment directed to the following lowrent fools (including yourself) was in direct response to a brazen, grievance grudge and provocation against me. All of them.

    You Rooster talk back radio reporteur, Ronery the cuckold, Basil the (rear end) hero and Voltaire the book thief suspect. I’ve had almost no interaction with this blog vermin for a while now. But just like old times, it’s worth reminding them/you that a decent kicking is heading their/your way if they/you misbehave. Just like today.

    All this of course began because I haven’t given fatso any quarter for the past few days as justified medicine for the way the fat drunken psycho attacks other people here and is hen unable to maintain consistent logical argument.

    Look how well the blog has worked of late since it has been cleaned up. Now fuck off.

  136. Tel

    I’m astonished that the left/Greens are okay with dirty diesel generators. Anything but coal.

    It makes sense when you ignore their ruse about “dirty” whatever or about caring for the environment and start thinking more along the lines of pure tax slurping.

    Diesel earns more than coal. Simple as that.

  137. Infidel Tiger

    2 overs from Maxwell?

    Smith might be a great batsman, but he can’t captain.

  138. calli

    Cohenite’s link is a beauty. Bookmarked in the “cluebat” file.

  139. C.L.

    Tribune of the people, Peter van Onselen, puts the highly original argument that we must have fake homosexual “marriage” immediately (!), Turnbull must act against “religious” “hard right” (etc etc), gets mauled in comments for being a dickhead.
    Just another day at The Australian: Come to the same-sex wedding, PM

  140. OneWorldGovernment

    Diogenes

    The funniest thing I ever did, and this is back in the days of Bulletin Boards that cost a fortune to call, was give Telstra a free program.

  141. Mark A

    OneWorldGovernment
    #2330959, posted on March 19, 2017 at 5:44 pm
    LOL. Exercise in typing. Punch cards are the go.

    I only learned about the punch card era as in IT history, by the time I was involved in IT as part of engineering studies they were long gone.

    Tel, my friend who did use Cobol and Fortran in the punch card days recalls those ladies in a different way.
    More along the lines of whips and collars.

  142. I identify as a gender void silver grey foxkin.

    My apologies, Dot.
    What’s your preferred pronoun?

  143. Pedro the Ignorant

    Thanks for the info re Gove, MV.

    My buyer is based in Newman and is linked to a transport company, so sourcing and shipping costs are really baseline at the moment. Backload offers NW to SA are being snapped up in the current downturn.

    Never been to Gove, but might be worth a look.

  144. Myrddin Seren

    Paging Fisky, paging Fisky –

    call for you from Scott Adams:

    When I tell you it would be hard to convince me that a stranger’s economic model is credible, keep my experience in mind. I’ve seen lots of economic models. I’ve built economic models. In my experience, they are nothing but guesses, bias, and outright fraud.

  145. JC

    Best comment there , CL

    Shane
    4 hours ago

    Yet again more obsessing over an issue (SSM) that affects less than 2% of the population, yet 18C affects everybody.

  146. Senile Old Guy

    PDF everything. Alters the metadata they get too. If they need inputs, use values only in near virgin spreadsheets.

    Yes, unless the person you are sending it to needs to edit, it’s PDF all the time. Resolves many problems. At work, we mostly do PDF, including for forms.

  147. JC

    MS

    What Adams is talking about are predictive macro models attempting to divine the long future. He also spoke about business budgets, which are also some what bullshit.

  148. Zatara

    Pedro, if you are interested in another, in this case international, source of surplus gensets have Sinc give you my e-mail.

  149. Huck

    Infidel Tiger
    #2330969, posted on March 19, 2017 at 6:02 pm
    2 overs from Maxwell?

    Smith might be a great batsman, but he can’t captain.

    On Melbourne radio last week, Rodney Hogg said he’d be surprised if Maxwell ever got a game because it’s well known that Steve Smith can’t stand him.

  150. Yes, unless the person you are sending it to needs to edit, it’s PDF all the time.

    Which is just dandy up until the information needs updating. In the mining and refining industries, everything needs updating sooner or later. Over the years I made a small fortune updating documentation the client foolishly only had in uneditable PDF files.

  151. hzhousewife

    You’re just a kid then, Mark A. My Fortran students were mainly Iranian and my supervisor was Israeli, 1979 upset the applecart there. My day job involved transporting Hollerith cards on the subway. Things were moving very quickly back then in the comuter world.

  152. Mark A

    A normal day in Melbournistan
    “A Catholic priest has been slashed across the throat during a terrifying attack at a Fawkner church.”

  153. calli

    All you computer nerds. Remember Wang?

  154. Infidel Tiger

    India’s sole aim is to tire out our bowling attack and destroy them for the fourth test.

    Captain Smith doing all he can to help them.

  155. Mark A

    hzhousewife
    #2330983, posted on March 19, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    You’re just a kid then,

    I loves you for that, you’re in my heart forever as most fav, commenter.

  156. calli

    And Amstrad. All gone the way of the Boroughs adding machine (with handy lever action).

  157. egg_

    Was Thunderbirds’ The Hood modelled from Wang Yi
    ?

  158. Things were moving very quickly back then in the comuter world.

    Yeah. I did a course in RPG II programming in 1979 run by Wilson Tuckey’s son. Heart of the IBM system was a “massive” 10MB hard drive. It was housed in an airtight box the size of a very large fridge laying on its side. A wonder to behold.

  159. hzhousewife

    the comuter world AND the computer world ! Thanks Mark A, you make me feel young again! 🙂

  160. egg_

    Remember Wang?

    Yup Corporate Word Processing and database mainframe.

  161. rickw


    SA is going to keep the lights on this summer by renting 200MW of diesel generators

    So rather than Made in OZ gas or coal they have opted for imported diesel*.

    *if the diesel is not imported, the crude it is made from will be. AU crude does not hack it for diesel.

    My guess is that most of it will be imported from Singapore, but not before it’s probably caused some upward movement in domestic diesel prices.

    It has massive cluster fuck / unintended consequences written all over it.

  162. It has massive cluster fuck / unintended consequences written all over it.

    Situation normal then?

    —————————-
    Mrs MV’s birthday today.
    Time to peel some prawns.

  163. BrettW

    JC,
    I am sure all members of the forum appreciate you stepping in to deliver a kicking when you think it appropriate. You should get some kind of award for your kindness and devotion to keeping the plebs in order.

    Now to more serious matters. It is nearly dinner time and I have three options :

    a) corned beef. Unfortunately not the good stuff like you get but out of the tin.

    b) take out Chinese. However I am concerned they might rip me off by about 25-30 cents for some unknown charge.

    or c) go to my local cafe. Food is great but I have a phobia about hipster waiters.

    What do you think ? I know you are an expert in such things.

  164. classical_hero

    The real question is, will SSM create jobs? I don’t think they will.

    That gay group of Ohio is doing what fundamentalist of the Marxist persuasion would do. You can never satisfy them.

  165. val majkus

    Remember Wang?

    yes, was working in the Federal Court at the time (early eighties)

  166. OneWorldGovernment

    I want Bethlehem back.

  167. cohenite

    val majkus

    #2330964, posted on March 19, 2017 at 5:55 pm

    Good analysis of the south Australian fuckup and the monstrous stupidity of jay Wetherill by a power plant engineer

    thanks for that link cohenite, would be interesting to see what he would say about Turnbull’s ‘nation building’ exercise (the Snowy proposal)

    He has a fair head of steam up:

    The Snowy hydro Electric Scheme is the greatest power scheme in Australia but it is limited by availability of water.
    For that reason we must use it at the most necessary times such as peak loads or emergencies.
    Without the Snowy Hydro ‘topup’ they would have to build more thermal or gas turbine generators to cover the peaks and more important the spinning reserve.
    The Snowy power allows more flexibility and the generators can be run up, remotely from zero to full load in 2 minutes.
    A gas turbine can be run up quickly too but not as quick as that and is more expensive to run. Far more if you consider the water ‘normally’ comes free.
    When the water run down to the lower dams it can be pumped back up but uses 25% more power. The power is supplied from the coal fired thermal generators such as Bayswater, Eraring, Liddell, etc. when they are at lower load time early in the morning e.g. midnight to 4 or 5 a.m. when system load starts to increase.
    By doing this the units are higher in load where they are more efficient thus offsetting the cost of 25% and reduces it when all is taken into consideration to a much lower figure.
    Unfortunately I don’t know the exact amount because it depends on the unit supplying the power.
    If you want me to guess I would say as low as 15% cost maybe more.
    What Turnbull did not say is that the power he is storing comes from Coal Fired Thermal power stations.!!!!!!!!!
    As much as the Greens Communist want to close them down. WITHOUT THEM AUSTRALIA IS DEAD. Which is what the Greens want.

    Malcolm Turnbull’s plan is not that great. He is creating a storage of 2500MWs of water which is 12 hours of power for a 200MW hydro generator.
    With that amount of money he could build the best 4 x 660MWs, total 2640MW , power station generating non stop 24hrs a day, 7 days a week for the next 50 years.
    He is trying to buy off the Communists Greens without consideration for our future.
    I’m not even sure we need ‘more storage’ the Snowy has the capacity to hold it all.
    Also people need to realise that the Snowy Hydro Electric Scheme is a by product of the overall plan which was to take all that water running to the sea and turn it inland for irrigation of our agriculture and cattle industries. Of course the Snowy has paid for itself many, many times over.
    Remember there must ALWAYS be water flowing down both the rivers to the sea and the inland rivers. That why the water is limited.

  168. Senile Old Guy

    Yes, unless the person you are sending it to needs to edit, it’s PDF all the time.

    Which is just dandy up until the information needs updating. In the mining and refining industries, everything needs updating sooner or later. Over the years I made a small fortune updating documentation the client foolishly only had in uneditable PDF files.

    You can edit PDF files and you can do PDF forms where the form fields can be edited. You just need the right software. But I wouldn’t use PDF for documents which had to be edited a lot.

  169. Pedro the Ignorant

    Thanks for the offer re gensets, Zatara, (6.26pm) but I am waiting to see what happens if Weatherdill goes ahead with renting diesel units. The small SA markets may dry up.

    The SA blackouts occurred just as I came across a stash of surplus stuff in WA, and I took the opportunity to engage in some profiteering at their expense, aided by their dull witted renewables policy.

  170. .

    Over the years I made a small fortune updating documentation the client foolishly only had in uneditable PDF files.

    They’d need the information updated regardless, right?

  171. min

    There was an article in one of the Sunday rags about this family living off the grid . Father who worked for a solar company burbled on about how much money he saved etc however final sentence was about the generator he had for back up that cost $2000 pa for fuel etc. Some savings

  172. cohenite

    This is a reasonable summation of modern sexual politics:

    Purdy the Dirdy Birdy.

  173. Myrddin Seren

    These words make your mind boggle:

    Despite a war that has cost more than 7,000 lives since March 2015 and brought the country to the brink of famine, Yemen continues to attract people fleeing the horn of Africa. The UNHCR says that Yemen is hosting more than 255,000 Somali refugees.

    The entire article is horror piled on horror.

    And people are escaping from Somalia to this…….

  174. C.L.

    Can somebody with keys post this to the main page?

  175. Delta A

    All you computer nerds. Remember Wang

    calli, I remember when we wrote a program for Vic 20 to change the screen colour.

    Wow! much excitement.

    Unfortunately, there was no Wiki site at the time to tell us what cyan meant.

  176. .

    Sessions is going to crack down on marijuana.

    Really this ought to be an area cut from spending.

  177. Infidel Tiger

    Barry Humphries and Clive James are the only intellectuals Australia has left.

    We don’t have long to go as a nation.

    Our cricket captain is a certifiable moron too.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    Sessions is going to crack down on marijuana.

    Really this ought to be an area cut from spending.

    Sessions is brilliant on immigration but an old school nutter on personal freedoms.

  179. C.L.

    Is there an explanation for Graham Richardson’s attire at the Bill Leak memorial?

  180. Zatara

    The SA blackouts occurred just as I came across a stash of surplus stuff in WA, and I took the opportunity to engage in some profiteering at their expense, aided by their dull witted renewables policy.

    As you say Pedro, worth it just to see lefty heads explode. Keep me in mind tho, I think you would find this resource very interesting even if renting them out.

  181. Infidel Tiger

    For God’s sake. Someone replace Smith as captain. This is a debacle.

  182. Infidel Tiger

    Richi has had all his internal organs removed and is hooked up to all manner of bags and pumps.

    It’s a miracle he is still alive.

  183. H B Bear

    CL at 6.10pm – I read that steaming pile of van Wrongselen over coffee this morning. I guess it is a change from his hand wringing over illegal immigrants or just wrongness on matters political. Even Shannahan six inches over recognises homo marriage for what it is – Lord Waffleworth’s death notice if he even looks like caving in to the poofters and their corporate boosters. Waldorf even gave a backhander to the Big Business lobby and CEOs who were completely MIA on penalty rates, tax reform, budget savings and the rest but have come out waving the pom-poms like a G strung Mardi Gras queen.

  184. Rabz

    Aussies losing this test in front of our eyes.

    Woeful.

  185. Gab

    Is there an explanation for Graham Richardson’s attire at the Bill Leak memorial?

    No respect because he’s way to hip and cool for such trivialities.

  186. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is there an explanation for Graham Richardson’s attire at the Bill Leak memorial?

    Major surgery for cancer, and the need for colostomy and urinary bags?

  187. Infidel Tiger

    No respect because he’s way to hip and cool for such trivialities.

    He has no intestines or bowel and can’t wear normal clothes due to his colostomy bags. Show some fucking decorum.

  188. Mike of Marion

    C.L.
    #2331017, posted on March 19, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    Colonoscopy bags!!

  189. Infidel Tiger

    Aussies losing this test in front of our eyes.

    Woeful.

    Horrendous. This is the cricket equivalent of watching the Liberal Party.

  190. Bruce of Newcastle

    Is there an explanation for Graham Richardson’s attire at the Bill Leak memorial?

    I suspect tucking his shirt in might be a life threatening experience.
    Literally.

  191. Mike of Marion

    Typewriter can’t spell

  192. Gab

    He has no intestines or bowel and can’t wear normal clothes due to his colostomy bags. Show some fucking decorum.

    He can wear a shirt, he can wear a jacket. And don’t be so rude, you ignoramus!

  193. Geriatric Mayfly

    Fear not Tigerf. Robert Manne is still in the field as one of our leading intellectuals. And I did see the same descriptor attached to the name of Squalid Alley not so long ago. I am sure there are others of equal eminence.

  194. Bruce of Newcastle

    Massive pre HDD drum memory

    That’s a serious motor on that beast.
    My new system has a 500Gb SSD the size of four ordinary postage stamps.
    The first computer I ever used had a 64kb memory made of ferrite rings with little wires through them.

  195. Rabz

    Cobol lives on today, and Basic too in various incarnations.

    Bluddee hell – reading this shit is like involuntarily waking up in some interminable nightmare mired in the eighties – stop it, please!

  196. copperfield

    What Richo needs now is a timely,yet highly suspicious fire.

  197. val majkus

    thanks for that cohenite. Whether or not there will need to be some changes to the MDBA (Murray Darling Basin agreement) is an issue as well

  198. Rabz

    All you computer nerds. Remember Wang?

    Honeywell.

    A t-shirt at the time used to carry the message “I hate Honeywell and so do all my friends”.

  199. .

    Rabz
    #2331039, posted on March 19, 2017 at 7:37 pm
    Cobol lives on today, and Basic too in various incarnations.

    Bluddee hell – reading this shit is like involuntarily waking up in some interminable nightmare mired in the eighties – stop it, please!

    Learning simple machine code will allow to programme a simple command line based role playing game for your microcomputer.

  200. .

    A t-shirt at the time used to carry the message “I hate Honeywell and so do all my friends”.

    LOL

    Ironic hipsters have been around for ages.

  201. Rabz

    Learning simple machine code will allow to programme a simple command line based role playing game for your microcomputer.

    Wonderful. Thanks for reminding me.

  202. Slayer of Memes

    Has Smith forgotten that he has anothet spinner in the team?

    Maxwell surely deserves more than just 2 overs, especially given the pies Lyon has been chucking down in the last 30+ overs…

  203. Rabz

    Heart of the IBM system was a “massive” 10MB hard drive. It was housed in an airtight box the size of a very large fridge laying on its side. A wonder to behold.

    LOL.

  204. Top Ender

    The PDP 11/70 was the computer I first learnt on:

  205. Geriatric Mayfly

    Washington Post culture blogger Alyssa Rosenberg offered a strange liberal argument on Thursday: “If Trump really wants to unify American culture, he should fund public broadcasting.” What a bad joke. To liberals, PBS and NPR unify the country. This is only true if you have no concern whatsoever for the long history of PBS and NPR abusing conservatives.
    Strange is it not, that the ABC rebroadcast PBS, and SBS runs NPR. Incestuous lot these media types.

  206. egg_

    a 64kb memory made of ferrite rings with little wires through them.

    Yup, magnetic-core memory was of a similar vintage to the drum memory.

  207. Bruce of Newcastle

    Not allowed to accidentally burn down your house.

    National ban on portable ethanol burners

    A national ban has been placed on portable decorative ethanol burners, after causing more than 100 injuries and 36 house fires across the country.

    Federal Small Business Minister Michael McCormack imposed the 60-day interim ban after being advised the burners create a “risk of serious injury” by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

    I admit putting ethanol into a decorative burner (whatever that is) is a waste. I think the same about putting ethanol into cars too. On the other hand a Federal Minister who almost no one has ever heard of has gotten is name into the press!

    Will it take 36 house fires before Tesla Powerwalls are banned?

  208. Snoopy

    Turnbull needs to really fuck Bill Shorten over hard and introduce a Bill to mandate 150% penalty rates for Saturday work and 200% penalty rates for Sunday work for ALL workers including those on EBA’s. Call it the Fair Work (Rollback of Bill Shorten’s Penalty Rates Cuts) Amendment Act 2017.

  209. Gab

    A national ban has been placed on portable decorative ethanol burners

    I don’t know what it is but I want one now that they’re banning it.

  210. egg_

    reading this shit is like involuntarily waking up in some interminable nightmare mired in the eighties 60s-70s, man!

  211. Rabz

    Yeah, thanks, eggster, man.

  212. Slayer of Memes

    Someone in India obviously reads the Cat….

    Maxwell finally getting a bowl after Lyon’s pies ran out…

  213. Infidel Tiger

    Australia will be all out by lunch tomorrow.

    A mentally weak team that failed to play a proper wicket keeper and use its fifth bowler. We deserve to be excepted as an example to foreigners not to take Indian conditions for granted.

  214. bystander

    What is Win 10 ‘cortana’ all about?

  215. Sydney Boy

    Learning simple machine code will allow to programme a simple command line based role playing game for your microcomputer.

    I wrote a half-decent maze-based exploration game in Basic in the Commodore 64. It took my brother a whole hour to finish it. I shudder to think how many hours it took me to write.

  216. Rabz

    What is Win 10 ‘cortana’ all about?

    Drop some acid and you’ll find out, man.

  217. Preparing a romantic birthday dinner for one’s beloved spouse, is not the best time for the septic plumbing to block and back up to the sink, shower and toilet.

    God hates me.

  218. bystander

    Rabz
    #2331061, posted on March 19, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    At my age the acid doesn’t seem to work so well.

  219. What is Win 10 ‘cortana’ all about?

    More to the point, how do you kill it?
    Permanently.

  220. calli

    What is Win 10 ‘cortana’ all about?

    I haven’t dared look. I suspect “she” murdered my Adobe Creative Suite.

    It might be me next [thinks of the horrid The Ring movie].

  221. Sydney Boy

    I remember my father’s business bought a Tandy TRS-80 (which was just a re-badged RadioShack I think?). The machine had such little in-built memory that you had to turn it on with an 8″ floppy disk in the drive which contained the machines OS.

  222. hzhousewife

    Heart of the IBM system was a “massive” 10MB hard drive. It was housed in an airtight box the size of a very large fridge laying on its side. A wonder to behold.

    The first computer I ever saw was one Sunday afternoon in 1969, visiting a friend at his weekend job at Ansett, a building upstairs on Swanton Street. He had to exchange enormous reels of tape in banks of cabinets not unlike ten double fridge freezers side by side. I think it was IBM, Reg would know.

  223. bystander

    It seems to be a dyslexic cousin of Siri.

  224. calli

    God hates me.

    He loves you. Dearly.

    He’s telling you to order take-away, have another drink or three and have a laugh about the wonder of life.

    And cuddle your beautiful wife.

  225. Roger

    Hello:

    Australian food processors flagging relocating overseas due to energy costs and supply issues.

    We are governed by idiots.

  226. Slayer of Memes

    Fucking Smith…

    Maxwell gets another 2 overs just to swap ends for Lyon and O’Keefe…

    Stupid fucking xunt should be shot…

  227. Infidel Tiger

    Goodness. We accidentally took a wicket.

  228. Harlequin Decline

    My computer languages were Forgo, Fortran, Basic and Digital’s Basic+. Dabbled in PL1, APL and also wrote several models in a general simulation language-IBM’s GPSS.

    It was hard to go past Basic+ as they allowed virtual arrays which ameliorated the memory constraint which everyone was governed by.

    I wrote one of the early spreadsheet systems in the mid 70’s in Basic+. You could combine rows, columns, create functions of variables etc. The engineers loved it, particularly when I managed to put a small HP hardcopy plotter in series with the Decwriter so they could plot out various combinations of parameters against others. The system could turn the plotter on when the user wanted to graph something and then into bypass mode when he had finished so he could use the Decwriter. I didn’t think much of it and then left the company and went overseas.

    Years later I heard about spreadsheets and asked someone to explain what they did. When I saw it demonstrated I realised I had may have missed a great opportunity.

  229. cohenite

    Gab

    #2331069, posted on March 19, 2017 at 8:16 pm

    The heathen will hold islamic “prayers” in the Vatican.

    http://dailyeb.com/index.php/2017/03/15/vatican-hold-islamic-prayers-first-time-history/

    Meanwhile, elsewhere …

    Muslim leader sends message to all Christians: “If You Refuse To Convert To Islam… You will be assassinated”

    A decent warrior class would eviscerate islam which is full of psychotic bullies and sexual deviants; but PC has emasculated the West.

    If you a woman get a gun licence and learn Krav maga.

  230. Bruce of Newcastle

    What is Win 10 ‘cortana’ all about?

    Remember the paperclip?

  231. JC

    JC,
    I am sure all members of the forum appreciate you stepping in to deliver a kicking when you think it appropriate. You should get some kind of award for your kindness and devotion to keeping the plebs in order.

    Now to more serious matters. It is nearly dinner time and I have three options :

    a) corned beef. Unfortunately not the good stuff like you get but out of the tin.

    b) take out Chinese. However I am concerned they might rip me off by about 25-30 cents for some unknown charge.

    or c) go to my local cafe. Food is great but I have a phobia about hipster waiters.

    What do you think ? I know you are an expert in such things.

    The corned beef , definitely. There’s more of a chance you’ll choke.

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Oh cripes, Victoria thinks she does satire. Sounds like a poorly constructed attempt at Bertie Wooster.
    Is this Grigs once more?

    Guys, we are going in sometime early May so surely Kakadu won’t be in the wet season then?
    Top Ender, doubt if we will be in Darwin for more than a few days, frantic and busy, but keep in touch. Thanks for the offer of a herd of cattle in a pen. Thrilling. I could chuck Hairy in with them. See how he goes. 🙂

    Are those tented resorts any good? They are not airconditioned, fans only, and I like my comforts.
    Anything decent and with aircon is $2000 a night and not the full top end tent experience; rather like Saffire in Tasmania, just another architect’s rather boring inspiration. Decisions, decisions.

    Now I’ve put poor Victoria right into a good old spin. Sit down, Vicki, this too will pass.

  233. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 2h2 hours ago

    Rise of the Warrior Chimps

    Most Brutal Chimpanzee Society Ever Discovered | Rise of the Warrior Apes

    5 Mar 2017
    This tells the epic story of an extraordinary troop of chimpanzees, as they brutally fought other colonies and each other to be the largest known to man.

  234. Sydney Boy

    I started with Commodore Basic (I didn’t realise at the time that it was a bespoke version of Basic – in fact I think all computer manufacturer’s had their own versions back then). I moved on to Pascal which seemed to be the dominant programming language back in the late 80’s. I did some Fortran as apparently it was better at mathematical functions? – I never found it much different actually. Mucked around with Ada – it was a bit revolutionary at the time as you didn’t have to declare all the variables and array sizes at the start – you could declare local variables in sub-routines and could have variable array sizes! I finished up with C and later C++.

    I have recently come back to programming code after many years and I am playing with Java – writing phone apps – mostly just to learn how. Java is extremely powerful but also quite complex compared to Basic!

    Nerd-rage over.

  235. Bruce of Newcastle

    More to the point, how do you kill it?
    Permanently.

    One of the very first things I turned off when couple months ago I got my first Win 10 system (then had to turn it off twice more after the system returned from the vendor with newly replaced bits – can a baby computer start out as grandfather’s ax?). I can’t remember how, but I am no more bothered by Clippy the 2nd.

  236. Delta A

    God hates me.

    Doubtful. But, having stuck with you all these years, MV, through the best and worst of times, I can state confidently that Mrs MV, for whatever reasons, loves you unreservedly, (despite those one or two annoying habits that only you and she are aware of).

    Forget the plumbing. Have a lovely evening together.

  237. Andrew

    A national ban has been placed on portable decorative ethanol burners, after causing more than 100 injuries and 36 house fires across the country.

    Still safer than Kevni’s pink batts

  238. Zyconoclast

    You’d have to weave in a downtrodden gay muslim aboriginal rigger and a torrid affair betwixt two transgender lesbian welders in the lightshop to get government funding.

    FIFY

    Can you slot in a autistic/wheelchair somewhere into the narrative?

  239. Leigh Lowe

    Richo has had all his internal organs removed and is hooked up to all manner of bags and pumps.

    It’s a miracle he is still alive.

    He’s basically held together with chicken wire and baling twine and carries more ablutions tanks than QF1 to Dubai.
    If he’s wearing an overcoat on a 40 degree day, there’s a reason.

  240. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Preparing a romantic birthday dinner for one’s beloved spouse

    Wish Mrs M.V. a Happy Birthday from me, will you?

  241. Top Ender

    Lizzie, it will be at the end of the Wet so the waters will still be high. We have a lot of porous limestone here which contains the water for several months after it stops raining.

    Yellow Waters has donga-type accomodation which is basic but OK. There is a large common eating area and the food is fair. The crocodile hotel at Jabiru is just a crocodile-shaped building. Have not hired tents in the NT – have our own.

  242. ME262

    We wrote our code on coding sheets and then gave it to the punch card ladies to type up on an IBM 029 punch card machine.
    Then down to the Data 100 machine to have it read in. (Don’t forget the job card or the /* card or you’d be included with the next deck of punch cards).
    Fond memories. IBM System 370.
    FYI most banking and credit card software today is still cobol. Nothing beats it. Hogan, VisionPLUS, Base Global.

  243. BrettW

    JC,
    Thanks, your best wishes much appreciated.

    I knew I could count on you for good advice. After all you give it out so often, even when people are not worthy of your tine and effort.

    We are so blessed to be graced by your presence.

  244. Forget the plumbing. Have a lovely evening together.

    Done, Delta.
    Took the prawns next door to devein, then back here to cook.
    Just finished a prawn cocktail followed by Ginger Prawns with stir fry veges.
    Chocolate Mousse for dessert in a while – after a rest.

    The plumbing will wait until tomorrow.

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