Sadly she can say what she likes in a public forum

“Sadly you can say what you like around the kitchen table at home,’’ she said.

Mind you, it’s not that she can say it but that she does say it that matters. The one thing she never has to worry about is being called up before the Human Rights Commission. But as the other notable story from the weekend also shows, it’s not what you say but who says it that counts.

Woroni last month announced plans for “our very first ethnocultural edition”. It posted on its Facebook page: “For our 5th edition, we will be taking on a team of guest sub-editors who identify as Ethnocultural and we will be sourcing contributions solely from students on campus who identify as Ethnocultural.”

This identify thing is important since the story is about Alex Joske who is half Chinese but identifies as an Australian. Sorry, no writing gig for you. A long story but very disturbing.

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45 Responses to Sadly she can say what she likes in a public forum

  1. Just wait until the ‘connected’ home becomes fully connected by government decree, then you won’t be able to speak your mind in your own home.

  2. Triggs is about one step away from fixing what we say around the kitchen table.

    Children will be encouraged by their teachers to report what Dad said last night at the kitchen table. The sweetener for the children will be a promise that anybody who reports Dad (or Mum, Grandma, Uncle Zulu – or whoever) will be given a new life, a life with lots of pocket money and free from household chores and certainly free from the sting of Dad’s strap.

    This would be Triggs’ wet dream.

    This woman isn’t just a parasite, she’s pure evil. My grandfathers used a .303 to kill good men, just so we did not have to live under people like Triggs.

  3. stackja

    GT is a protected species.

  4. Up The Workers!

    So I gather that what ‘Woroni’ is saying to Alex Joske (and other Australians or Chinese with similar ‘non-politically-approved) ethnic backgrounds is:

    “WE aren’t racist, but YOU ARE, and so is everybody else who has a skin colour or ethnicity like yours, which is now VERBOTEN around here. UNTERMENSCHEN with ethnicities or skin colours we don’t like, are henceforth forbidden to report on this paper until further notice.

    By Order of The Fuhrer!”

    Yeah, that sounds perfectly OK to me – in fact, if you search back far enough, I’m almost SURE you’ll find a precedent.

    Joske should take his case to the Troggluddites at Labors’ Human Wrongs Commission.

    They had a case in Queensland recently just like this one, so they are well and truly familiar with what the superior Courts will do with it.

    Surely that must be worth a million or three in damages for all the impugned sensibilities?

  5. john constantine

    Once they control the language though, all that can be said around the kitchen table will be in Newspeak, the vocabulary for dissent will be gone down their Orwellian memoryhole.

    Even if the proles feel colder, once their heating rations are increased from five hours a day, to five hours a week, all they will be able to say is “long live the glorious State, to which we owe everything.”.
    Even the tone will matter, [and be critiqued.]

    Their Triggsforce of eternal artificial intelligence constructs will be monitoring all interactions between proles, to make sure the language of dissent, once crushed, never rises again.

  6. Dr Fred Lenin

    Whats wrong with those senators she blatanrly . lies to an inquiry ,then walks away un punished . I think the eelites are shit scared of the acid tongued harridan in the fiftenth centuy she would hve been burned as a witch ,and justafiably so . We should be more humane reduce her to be homeless on the aged pension . Socialist arrogance disapears withou other peoples money .

  7. BoyfromTottenham

    The Cultural Marxists are way ahead of the NLP. Will the last Conservative please turn out the lights before they emigrate to NZ?

  8. Anne

    Sal:

    Children will be encouraged by their teachers to report what Dad said last night at the kitchen table.

    How prophetic was George Orwell. It’s as though he understood something about the cycle of human civilisations.

    Here’s his 1984 movie to watch tonight.

    It’s the 1956 version, my favourite is the John Hurt / Richard Burton one, buts this one’s free. 🙂

    https://youtu.be/fCZBnUt6rZ0

  9. Thanks Anne, I don’t have video card on my office server, but I’ll be in the Big Smoke for the next couple of days, & faced with the choice after work of unwinding with;
    a few G&T’s in the hotel bar, or
    watching John Hurt & Richard Burton,

    I’ll naturally…. hhehe… actually seriously, I will watch it while away, as it is about the only chance I get to watch, or read, these days.

  10. Leo G

    “For our 5th edition, we will be taking on a team of guest sub-editors who identify as Ethnocultural”

    Ethnocultural literally means “racially excellent”. Why does it not surprise that an ANU newspaper should call for submissions from students who identify as racially excellent while indicating that “white” students need not apply?

  11. a happy little debunker

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, strident and critical apostate of Islam, cancels Australian speaking tour citing security concerns, after multiple reports of death threats.

    Spokesperson for protestors of this speaking tour, Hana Assafiri – “What I think is this is an opportunity for her to rethink her position … which peddles hate towards people.
    “To me this is one of the hallmarks of democracy: where people have a right of reply … Freedom of expression is not simply about enabling hate speech and divisive conversation.”

    I may be wrong but the ‘hallmarks of democracy’ don’t include threatening to kill you if you speak!

  12. Confused Old Misfit

    If Australia had any politicians with any sort of spine a government, federal, state or local would have stood up and guaranteed Hirsi Ali’s security.
    A mullah can advocate the eradication of Israel in Sydney but none may speak against the “religion of peace”.
    This Assafiri person clearly understands none of the principles on which democracy rests. Neither does our federal government .

  13. mh

    The telescreen recieved and transmitted simultaneously. Any sound Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time. But at any rate they could plug in your wire whenever the wanted to. You had to live- did live, from habit that became instinct- in the assumption that every sound you made was overheard, and, except in darkness, every movement scrutinized.

  14. duncanm

    Asian Australians are one of our last hopes to skewer the marxists and anti-free speech brigade. I’m afraid us whities just don’t have the ticker — or have been drinking too much chardonnay.

    They’ll be like the Koreans defending their businesses in the LA race riots..

  15. duncanm

    Add Islam to that list of enemies..

  16. Confused Old Misfit

    As for G. Trigg, that she was not, at the very least, carpeted for that kitchen table statement is prima facie evidence of the federal government’s complete lack of serious intent to protect Australian liberties.

  17. Turtle of WA

    It should be chiselled on her gravestone.

    GILLIAN DOREEN TRIGGS
    1945-2017

    SADLY, YOU CAN STILL SAY WHAT YOU LIKE
    AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE AT HOME.

  18. Rob MW

    This identify thing is important since the story is about Alex Joske who is half Chinese but identifies as an Australian. Sorry, no writing gig for you. A long story but very disturbing.

    It’s really sad when an obvious intellectual pigmy identifies as a proud elitist scumbag with no known cure.

  19. candy

    What Ms Triggs means, I think, is that she despises people who have a different opinion to her, to her we are low life. If they agree with her, it’s fine to say it around the kitchen table.

    However, most people around the kitchen table would not agree with her recommendation of $350,000 compo to the man who killed his wife with unborn child, beating her to death with a bicycle.

    She thinks that man is fine and dandy, but she would not have him at her kitchen table either.

  20. The BigBlueCat

    I think she treats Orwell’s “1984” as a textbook ….

  21. John

    Many posts noting 1984. The laugh is the left in the US have been organising screenings because of Trump. They dont seem to comprehend that Orwell actually had them in mind. In the book the ruling party was EngSoc. ie English Socialists. These idiots cant see that 1984 was a mirror for the left and its authoritarian/totalitarian leanings. Free speech? If memory serves the East Germans encouraged children to dob in their parents if they said anything against the regime at home. Im sure Triggs would agree that this was a necessary policy. It would certainly deal with her worries about what was said at home.

  22. The BigBlueCat

    And on further reflection, with Triggs having been a headline speaker at a fund-raiser for Bob Brown, the well-known watermelon who founded the Australian Greens, surely she should be summarily dismissed from her position and forgo any entitlements (eg. pension) that goes with that position. How dare she exhibit partisan politics like that!!! Of course, we all remember the uproar regarding Dyson Heydon, and he didn’t even speak!!

    Surely the Australian Human Rights Commissioner is to be held to the same standards of political independence as a Royal Commissioner. I can’t wait for the next Senate Estimates Committee when Abetz and Patterson grill her on this ….

  23. rickw

    I wish they would just hurry up and get on with it, most TV’s are already Big Brother compatible, they can project Big Brother and already listen and watch the goings on in the house, what’s stopping them?

  24. The BigBlueCat

    John
    #2344083, posted on April 3, 2017 at 1:55 pm
    Many posts noting 1984. The laugh is the left in the US have been organising screenings because of Trump. They dont seem to comprehend that Orwell actually had them in mind. In the book the ruling party was EngSoc. ie English Socialists. These idiots cant see that 1984 was a mirror for the left and its authoritarian/totalitarian leanings. Free speech? If memory serves the East Germans encouraged children to dob in their parents if they said anything against the regime at home. Im sure Triggs would agree that this was a necessary policy. It would certainly deal with her worries about what was said at home.

    That’s because the extreme left has no self awareness – they never have, and they never will. I am sure Triggs is totally unaware she’s said anything wrong with her “Sadly” statement.

    Totalitarianism / authoritarianism of course isn’t restricted to the hard left – the extreme right have an inglorious track record of this also (remember Mussolini? He may have started as a Socialist but he switched to Fascism, which is extreme right wing, Nationalist totalitarianism). Whether extreme left or extreme right wing, we need to be very aware of extreme totalitarianism and the impact it has on our freedoms.

  25. The BigBlueCat

    rickw
    #2344086, posted on April 3, 2017 at 1:57 pm
    I wish they would just hurry up and get on with it, most TV’s are already Big Brother compatible, they can project Big Brother and already listen and watch the goings on in the house, what’s stopping them?

    Gogglebox does this for entertaining the proletariat ….. maybe its about desensitising the useful idiots from being watched ….

  26. Norman Church

    Big Blue Cat – I suggest you do some more reading on Fascism which is simply another diabolical spawn of progressivism. Try Jonah Goldberg’s book entitled ‘Liberal Fascism’ which explores the issues in some detail.

    Fascism and National (or, perhaps more accurately, Racial) Socialism may have been to the right of International Socialism on the political spectrum but they hardly represent the views of persons traditionally identifying as right wing.

  27. Anne

    Rick, it seems devices like Alexa and Internet connected devices can be used to listen to and spy on citizens but is an ordinary non-Smart TV safe?

  28. Tator

    Splatocrat, I prefer my Grubers to be of the Hans “falling from the Nakitomi Towers on Christmas day” types.

  29. louis hissink

    Reminds me of a family incident when I uttered dark words about stupid people, reacting to some or other inanity reported on to years ago.

    That utterance received a pompous reply that there are not stupid people. This shut me up for a short period after which I mused on how, then, could one identify the intelligent ones.

    The volume of the silence was deafening.

  30. Tim Neilson

    Gogglebox does this for entertaining the proletariat ….. maybe its about desensitising the useful idiots from being watched ….
    Next iteration, live telecasts of people watching the “Gogglebox” viewers reacting to reality shows on TV. How many layers of voyeurism can we place between the TV screen and any sort of reality or even any sort of real creativity?

  31. Des Deskperson

    To be fair to Triggsy, as an ex-Ambassodor’s wife – and possibly also as the former wife of a Dean – she would have grown rather used to being waited on at dinner, so she was probably just reinforcing the old ‘not in front of the servants’ protocol.

  32. Dr Fred Lenin

    The comparison of comrade triggs with mussolini is probably wrong ,he made the trains run on time i doubt she could do that , he was good to his kids unlike her with her poor retarded daughter, and he was better looking . Also he wasnt as much a fascist as her ,shes up there with adolf and joe stalin , wonder what she would do with the kitchen table deviationists if she had the power ?
    Just shows how arrogant the commos are ,when her media accomplices didnt cover the statement up .to protect her from the peoples wrath ?

  33. The BigBlueCat

    Norman Church
    #2344104, posted on April 3, 2017 at 2:15 pm
    Big Blue Cat – I suggest you do some more reading on Fascism which is simply another diabolical spawn of progressivism. Try Jonah Goldberg’s book entitled ‘Liberal Fascism’ which explores the issues in some detail.

    Fascism and National (or, perhaps more accurately, Racial) Socialism may have been to the right of International Socialism on the political spectrum but they hardly represent the views of persons traditionally identifying as right wing.

    Jonah Goldberg is not without his critics.

    Both Nazism and Fascism focussed on Nationalism, racial purity and expansionism, and both were highly totalitarian and dictatorial. But what distinguished Fascism is the promotion of a corporatist economic system and the banning of workers’ strikes – hardly a promotion of leftist socialist workers’ ideals. While not socialism, Fascism wasn’t free market either but did rely on capitalism for production. Nazism was anti-communist and anti-capitalist but relied on workers’ support. Fascists just beat the workers into submission! The Nazis relied on the post WW1 socio-political atmosphere to spur the workers into action by persecuting the minorities, especially the Jews, since in their eyes they were to blame for everything.

    This is all a bit simplistic of course, since both ideologies are very complex with many overlapping characteristics. Both Nazism and Fascism exhibited various characteristics of the the political left and the political right, with Nazism being Fascist and Fascists influenced by Nazism. The common ground was their totalitarianism, which was also a feature of Stalinist Russia.

    Fascism is just another word that has changed meaning over time, with both the left and right using it as a pejorative against their opponents despite its origins. Typically the left use the word more to incite the right, even though the activist left exhibit Fascist behaviours much more freely and obviously.

    If Triggs really means “sadly” and we have the context correct, then even critiquing her statement is likely a thought-crime in her eyes, and therefore “bigoted” behaviour that demands correction. Brandis, it seems, was correct when he said we have the right to be bigots, even though it’s not an ideal any of us consciously aspire to. Cultural bigotry can be addressed by means other than persecution and prosecution, but it should hardly be illegal.

  34. Malcolm Thomas

    Aly’s comments are often glib leftwing tripe, but let’s not pretend that he has ‘small voice’ – therein lays the problem.

  35. Habib

    And the senile soviet gave the old boot a standing ovation for her freely expressed fascism. This country’s more rooted by squares than 4, -4 and 16.

  36. Norman Church

    Big Blue Cat – Thanks, but as I have remarked to others on separate occasions, one does not cease to be a left-wing totalitarian government because one is content for pragmatic reasons to control the economic resources of the state through a rigid corporatist model than rather than by way of state ownership. Or because one chooses to suppress trade unionism – which, of course, was also practised by the international socialists.

    The notion that fascism was ‘right wing’ because its exponents were content to force or coerce wealthy industrialists to undertake the bidding of the state rather than take the overt step of nationalising all industry has been remarkably persistent. However, it is ultimately an unconvincing fudge advanced by persons embarrassed to be associated with the consequences of leftist dogma.

    Fascists may have exposed themselves to a charge of hypocrisy by failing to ensure that the state directly (rather than indirectly) controlled the means of production. But they did not magically transform themselves into right wingers.

    Even a cursory review of the Nazi party manifesto reveals an organisation which abhorred capitalism, liberty, individualism and a definable boundary between society and the state. Nazis were leftist to their bootstraps.

  37. rickw

    Rick, it seems devices like Alexa and Internet connected devices can be used to listen to and spy on citizens but is an ordinary non-Smart TV safe?

    According to Vault 7 dump, a number of TV’s can be used as listening devices when they are in standby mode.

  38. The BigBlueCat

    Big Blue Cat – Thanks, but as I have remarked to others on separate occasions, one does not cease to be a left-wing totalitarian government because one is content for pragmatic reasons to control the economic resources of the state through a rigid corporatist model than rather than by way of state ownership. Or because one chooses to suppress trade unionism – which, of course, was also practised by the international socialists.

    Fascism didn’t start that way – Mussolini wasn’t leading a left-wing totalitarian government before he gained power as a Fascist. Mussolini basically threw off his socialist ideology well before he was in power. He ended up hating socialism and replaced it with his own ideology (well supported by those writing his manifesto). I find it funny how the right disavow Fascism in the same way that many of the left disavow Communism. What they are really disavowing is totalitarianism. Where Fascism is left, right or centre is not really the issue against Fascism, it’s the tactics the Fascists used – tactics we still see being used by both the extreme right and the extreme left (and maybe the not-so-extreme left also).

    Many see Fascism’s focus on nationalism, tradition and capitalism as being conservative virtues. Central control speaks to being authoritarian, not left or right. Of course, this is a complaint against Gillian Triggs, who seems to want to control even kitchen table conversations.

  39. notafan

    which peddles hate towards people.

    Laughable

    We kill you if you say anything we don’t like.

  40. Norman Church

    Big Blue Cat – I am well aware of Mussolini’s political evolution from anarchism, to socialism to fascism. This shift is irrelevant because he never ended up as liberal, free market democrat.

    The appeals by fascists to nationalism and tradition certainly allow one to say that the brand of left wing ideology practised by fascists was to the right of international socialism but the ideology was still left wing to its core. Like all good left-wingers, Mussolini believed in the absolute primacy of the state and its unfettered right to exercise coercive power to change society in the interests of ‘progress’.

    I agree that the debate is ultimately about totalitarianism and that is because totalitarianism and left wing ideology go hand in glove. As we are witnessing with the assaults on freedom of the press and freedom of expression.

    One cannot avoid this point by suggesting, as you appear to do, that many (presumably in sociology departments) regard authoritarianism as being a right wing characteristic. If authoritarianism is the hallmark of right wing regimes then, by definition, communists were right wingers too. It is nonsense. As is the suggestion that fascists were ‘capitalists’ because they did not take the step of nationalising all industry.

    The reason why the Right disavows fascism is because fascism is not a product of right wing ideology and because labels matter.

    For far too long, the Left have been getting away with this dishonest re-labelling exercise. The Left need to face up to the consequences of left wing ideology in all its forms. Not duck the issue by re-writing history and childishly labelling any practice they dislike as ‘right wing’.

  41. Claim: Italian dictator Benito Mussolini made the trains run on time.

    Status: False.

    http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp

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  43. JohnA

    Norman and Big Ble Cat,

    You seem to be in some sort of agreement.

    For a long time, I have left the labels of “Left” and “Right” alone, except when necessary within some particular discussion.

    Most of the time the spectrum is
    Anarchy ——— Responsible Freedom within Legal & Moral Constraints —— Totalitarianism

    (and please don’t try to read anything into the left, centre and right positioning in that spectrum).

    Even supposedly “uncivilised” “stone-age” tribes don’t go to the complete extremes, whereas Communist Russia and Communist China did/do, and countries implementing sharia law do, too.

    Countries with a heritage of common law do better because they begin from the assumption that all is permitted except that which the law proscribes. However, they are losing freedoms as they succumb to Orwellian pressure for more and more written law like S18C, and stupid nit-picking regulations about all sorts of things from food labelling to the definition of “Australian made”.

    Countries with a heritage of what I call “Roman” or “code” law (prescribing in legal codes what is permitted, i.e. assuming no a priori concept of human freedom), fare worse. In this group, I include France, Germany and various other European hothead nations whose Aussie migrants often import old tribal rivalries into this nation’s sports activities (with exceptions, of course).

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