Mark Latham responds

Mark Latham has left a comment on the Get Real Janet thread setting out his version of events.  I think it’s well worth its own thread.

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Fascinating discussion. Let’s go to the background: on the Outsiders panel show on Sunday 12 March we ran through a series of zany things said on International Women’s Day the previous Wednesday. Five or six items. One of them was the Sydney Boys school prefect video, which had attracted significant media attention. The young men spoke the words of women in trying to help the feminist cause. The first speaker talked about having sex with a man. The video was designed to initially mislead, as only later did it become clear the speakers were quoting women.

I have spoken to scores of people who have said, upon first viewing of the video they thought the first speaker was speaking as a young gay man. That was my impression too. I made no value judgement about that, and never would. I simply thought it was a matter of fact. I don’t know why some people regard the word ‘gay’ as derogatory. I don’t. I was taught in the ALP in the 1980s to look through race, gender and sexuality as minor genetic/preference variations between people.

On the day before our show, the SMH ran a letter from the nearby Sydney Girls school students, attacking the ‘male video prefects’ as having no right to make a statement about feminism, saying they had a “toxic male culture” at their school.

On Outsiders we played the video to highlight that “men can’t win” – if you try to help with a well-intentioned (albeit strange and misleading) video, the feminists will bag you anyway.

Ross Cameron chipped in to say, words to the effect of, “These young fellas ought to be aware that the girls they are trying to impress will run off with a Western Sydney tradie in a ute.”

Very funny. In the laughter, I quipped, words to the effect of, “Well, I thought the first one was gay, so it won’t affect him”.

That’s all.

All I was saying was that the first speaker wouldn’t be impacted by Ross’s observation. There was no condemnation meant, nor should any have been taken. Indeed, that was the initial outcome.

The show would have had 30-40,000 viewers, including the ABC Media Watch, Buzzfeed, Fairfax etc gang who always watched, hoping to jump onto slip-ups. No one said a word about my comments until 17 days later, when other matters had arisen via ‘lawfare’. I still don’t know the reaction to all this from the first prefect speaker. Publicly, I have said if he’s upset at all by my words or by the controversy itself, then I apologise.

This is a feature of the Left’s confected outrage/PC industry: no problem at the time, but if they can delve back into history when a political target is vulnerable for other reasons, they will.

What happened to me was essentially a stitch up. None of the critics gave a crap about the school prefect. They had long been silent. It was all about closing down my (hopefully effective) critique of their ideology.

The mere mention of the word “gay” today is enough to have companies harassed and people sacked. The Left has turned it into a demon word, when I believe I have never used it that way.

True, I am a former Labor leader. I’m not a conservative, I’m a social democrat. And from that perspective, I oppose identity politics as a divisive, segregationist doctrine that weakens social trust and cohesiveness – the basic raw materials of community and the good society. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose identity politics as an abomination. Peter Baldwin (ex senior minister and ALP Socialist left faction) has raised a critique similar to mine. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose the extreme Left.

In summary, that’s what happened. If civility-conservatives think that’s fine, they might as well surrender the country and culture wars to the Identity Left right now. We should all go to the pub and have a Coopers instead.

They (and others) would be saying, in fact, no one can make an evidence-based quip about another person in the context of a very funny joke and very strange video.

In hindsight, I would have been better off joining the girls’ school in attacking the male prefects as toxic and calling for them to never speak about gender issues again.

Now ain’t that sad!!

 

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87 Responses to Mark Latham responds

  1. stackja

    And Don Rickles couldn’t work today.

  2. Ubique

    Mark Latham’s account / commentary should be widely circulated. A lot of home truths in it that would come as no surprise to the great majority of the Cats I’d imagine. The Australian should take Mark on as a regular columnist.

  3. Nick

    It’s good to hear Latho’s view of things, and makes some relevant points. While it’s what he was probably told as being the ‘reason’ for his dismissal, I wonder what it was what really irked Sky the most? As Mark hasn’t gone into that, we don’t know.

  4. mindfree

    Shows reader Mark does get around on these forums as well as being identified as listener Mark on some radio shows (Bolt / Price, Ben Fordham) as well as viewer Mark on shows such as PM live (not sure about that now though)

    And that he contributes whether agree or not at least it’s a forum that allows him to air his views

    And that’s a good thing

  5. Tintarella di Luna

    Andrew Bolt was so pathetic on this — Andrew said that Mark shouldn’t ‘attack’ children — just pathetic. Mark did not ‘attack’ children he merely pointed out how children were being used by adults in an agenda-driven nauseating feminist indulgence which is overdone to the point of absurdity – unfortunately that absurdity cannot be lampooned by the great cartoonist Bill Leak because he was attacked and hounded to death for telling the truth.

  6. Infidel Tiger

    Yea, but people were upset on Twitter.

  7. mindfree

    And that he contributes here

  8. struth

    Mark Latham.
    You were sacked by somebody looking to get a position with the ABC.
    Is this the case?
    You have a tremendous amount of support from the majority of Australians, it’s just this dickhead sucking up to the lefty scum of the ABC, from what I can make out.
    Other than that, forward, onwards man, get stuck in.
    If you need helpers for the show, coffee boys, script writers, panellists, investigative journalists with no journalism degree, (they are the best), and some with, sigh, you’ve got a virtual army right here.

  9. struth

    agenda-driven nauseating feminist indulgence

    These people are not feminist.
    Not one of them would vote right wing.
    Ever.
    This is not about women, it’s about Marxism using women.
    Cultural Marxism aims to divide us into victim groups.
    Everyone accept for the terrible capitalist white man, who is the culprit.

    They are femarxists.
    That word I made up.
    You don’t have to use it of course, find another one, but letting them get away with being called feminists is helping their dishonest cause.

  10. Fulcrum

    I believe that Mark Latham, in that his comments were consciously lost in translation by the self appointed thought police. They could have expessed some level of doubt, but thats not their style.

  11. Malcolm Thomas

    Mark, ever since Civilizing Global Capital I’ve been a fan. If you ever get another run in the mainstream, please don’t throw it away on unnecessarily uncivil statements or slaging off whoever. You are too smart and your overall message too important to allow yourself to be sidelined defending a (relatively) unimportant principle. They do control the game at present. We need people like you to give voice to the counter arguments.

  12. notafan

    Thank you Mark for making background to the gaygate story clear.

  13. Rabz

    The second last sentence in Latho’s response sums it up beautifully.

  14. Child?!!!!

    So we have child soldiers now? Who knew?

    Yes, he’s a minor, but that is entirely different. Calling him a child is conflating 17 year olds with 3 year olds in order to convey non-existent innocence. He’s using the language of the left.

  15. Tintarella di Luna

    You don’t have to use it of course, find another one, but letting them get away with being called feminists is helping their dishonest cause.

    Yep – well ‘fem’ has lost all meaning too given the fluidity of it all these days

  16. Pickles

    This issue requires a night on the piss. If you’re up for it Mark email Sinc. Cat drinks are usually fundamentally disrespectful and therefore fun.

  17. Beachside

    Never thought it was anything other than how Mark describes it as above.

    Describing someone as possibly being gay is no way derogatory in these ‘Safe School’ days.

    As to the reason for Mark’s sudden demise: My money’s squarely on the ‘man toddler’ !!

    Good luck with your new ‘Outsiders’ project, Mark. I’ll be watching with great interest.

    Mark Latham’s Outsiders Support
    https://support.marklathamsoutsiders.com/

  18. I would fly to Sydney for Cat drinks if Latham was going to turn up. I grew up in a family of 11 and we offended each other every day at the breakfast, lunch and dinner table!!!!

  19. struth

    This issue requires a night on the piss. If you’re up for it Mark email Sinc. Cat drinks are usually fundamentally disrespectful and therefore fun

    Pickles promoting getting pickled.

  20. Chris

    Thanks for dropping in Mark, and for your perspective.

    Your insights are hugely worthwhile, your implosions only equally astonishing.

  21. Armadillo

    Latho is further to the right than most of Turnbulls mob. Crikey this country is in strife.

  22. Jannie

    Onya Mark. You can speak, you have guts, and you grow intellectually. Australia needs people like you. A man must honour those who nurtured and taught him, as you do, but I reckon you will get over the social democrat stuff sooner or later – Labor is not for working men anymore.

  23. belabartok

    Nice one. Proves the point some of us made – stop being panty-waisted willy-wooftas and get stuck in!
    Bending even an inch to Political Correctness (i.e. thoughtcrime) is surrendering to the Marxfilth.
    And those who thought Mr. Latham ‘rude’ or ‘impolite’ – go sit in front of the mirror, because you need a good hard look at what milquetoasts you’ve become.
    Oh – and then go to Lentil as Anything in Newtown and eat a free vegan meal, because you’re clearly one of them… and get a pink ‘pussy hat’.

  24. Senile Old Guy

    Many thanks for the clarification.

  25. struth

    Labor is not for working men anymore.

    Never was.

  26. NewChum

    I wasn’t aware of the chronology – which makes it even more disgraceful.

    The condemned is guilty of the crime of heresy – any old bit of evidence will do.

    It truly is upside down world where you’ve got to pay respects to the gay community but you can’t say someone is gay. You have to support the right that questionable people go into your high school
    To talk about penis tucking but referring to a student as gay is a sackable offence.

    Please don’t stop ruffling feminist feathers, especially the gelded idiot blokes who are signing on for their claptrap.

  27. The problem is that no one in any form of higher level management, be it industry or government, has a backbone to stand up to the SJWs that constitute an incredibly small part of the population. All that you have to do is to tell them to piss off and they will.

    None of the SJWs are never interested in the TV programs, consumer products and what have you in any way, other than to try and find fault and further their cause. You don’t profit by bending over to these SJWs you lose. Nothing, and I mean nothing, infuriates and frustrates SJWs more than those who ignore them.

    And there is no greater satisfaction than seeing their heads explode as you treat them with the contempt that they deserve.

  28. Dr Fred Lenin

    Why doesnt excomrade latham claim he is indigenius ? He is darker than a lot of those who claim they are ,he could get away with bloody murder like that mostly white goodes ,might even get austrian of the century. Dont worry about him ,he is still sucking taxpayer money in a large pension .He has always been a loose canon ,wouldnt trust him as far as I could kick him .

  29. Labor is not for working men anymore.

    Yep, he was used. The gays, trans, everyone is just a pawn to further the cause of the extremists of the looney left. They’ll hopefully figure it out well before they’re hurtled headlong into the footpath from the eighth storey from their jihadist brothers.

  30. alexnoaholdmate

    Isn’t it amazing.

    Mark Latham – Mark Latham! – has in the last fortnight become a hero to conservative Australians, including many here.

    I’m not making any comment on whether that’s a good or a bad thing

    But who would have thought, remembering the crazy wild-eyed socialist loon of the 2004 campaign, that just a few years down the track we’d be singing his praises, on Catallaxy of all places.

    This really is an astonishing world. A week is a long time in politics – look what thirteen years has wrought!

  31. H B Bear

    If civility-conservatives think that’s fine, they might as well surrender the country and culture wars to the Identity Left right now.

    This! Total war. All the time.

  32. alexnoaholdmate

    PS – if an election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Mark Latham before Malcolm Turnbull. I think many others here would do the same.

    Just think about that sentence for a second, and the sheer staggering seeming-impossibility of it.

    Mark Latham. Would get my vote. And the votes of many here. Ahead of Malcolm Turnbull.

    Impossible. Yet it’s true.

  33. Tel

    True, I am a former Labor leader. I’m not a conservative, I’m a social democrat. And from that perspective, I oppose identity politics as a divisive, segregationist doctrine that weakens social trust and cohesiveness – the basic raw materials of community and the good society. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose identity politics as an abomination. Peter Baldwin (ex senior minister and ALP Socialist left faction) has raised a critique similar to mine. You don’t have to be from the Right to oppose the extreme Left.

    Right you are.

    I must note that envy politics based around good old fashioned class divisions (da bosses vs da workers) are also designed to weaken social trust and cohesiveness. The only difference is that a new generation of cultural Marxists have found alternative hairline cracks where they can hammer in the wedge and create divisiveness where none existed before.

    Same toolkit, different smithy.

  34. candy

    I really like to hear what Mark Latham says. I think he speaks common sense with some traditional conservative values in there.

    But I would not want him to lose work, lose income and get harassed by the media left types. It would not be worth it. I hope he can manage to walk that fine line and not have stress added to his life. Simply not worth it.

  35. OldOzzie

    Mark,

    I enjoyed your first 1Hr 7 Mins Mark Latham Outsiders with Miranda Devine and Bettina Arndt- an excellent presentation and I kicked some money into the can.

    Best of Luck and Success in the Future – as a Current SkyNews Subscriber, they are going out of their way to make it easy for me to chuck their News Subscription away by canning you.

    OldOzzie

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    Funnily enough I always thought Janet Albrechtsen was gay.
    Is she?
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  37. Zyconoclast

    Funnily enough I always thought Janet Albrechtsen was gay.
    Is she?
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    Channeling your inner Latham?

  38. tgs

    Thanks for your version of events, Mark.

    Certainly seems eminently reasonable when explained from your perspective.

  39. tgs

    alexnoaholdmate
    #2348427, posted on April 7, 2017 at 6:39 pm

    Ain’t that the truth.

  40. Jannie

    Thanks OldOzzie, that links to the actual video or soundtrack of the conversation that got Latham sacked. I listened to it, its only 6 mins or so. Its not only censorship, its ridiculous!

  41. ev425128

    A social democrat who sees through the smoke-screens, misdirections and blatant campaigns imagined, launched, promoted and sustained by social democrats. And is prepared to speak out about them. We may have a problem here with definition. ML’s definition of Social Democracy is a hell of a lot different to, say, Penny Wong?

    Definition and usage change. Words and phrases gain new meaning and the old is either lost or maligned into redundancy.

    In another age a person who collected earwax as a hobby might be described as queer. A happy male and female dancing a wedding waltz might be described as gay [or should that be “female and male?]. There were 2.000001 genders [I just counted 25 just starting with “A” here].

    Social Democracy was originally about improving the living standard of the working class. Their aim was and is good. Their method debatable. Social Democracy now has no interest in the working class. Social democrats give us Safe Schools, Mama Merkel’s little problem, Sweden’s (and Britain’s) non-consensual sex molehill.

    I know it’s pedantic, but Mark needs to do one of two things here. He needs to reclaim and define social democracy or denounce it. Social democrats gave us this world of thought-crime, offense-as-crime, patriotism-as-crime. He may be a 1990 SD but in 2017? Nup.

    Advice from a person who has only one vote and can only add one viewer: Keep doing what you are doing. Guest-post here. Out what’s outable and draw attention to what’s not. And either reclaim or destroy the definition of social democrat.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Mark, thanks for your perspective on this. Your clarification is useful because even if we viewed the episode in question our memories of it are simply those of an audience having a laugh; not necessarily up to the minute with the words said. Your point of view is persuasive and I think, along with others above, that you should disseminate your viewpoint and correction to a wider audience via other contacts. That said, Catallaxy has quite a wide pull these days and thanks for dropping in. The Cat is open house, and is full of people with education and brains who can string two words together and talk around the traps a bit. We hate PC with a vengeance, so you are in good company. Many, like me, are previous leftists, card carrying Sydney inner city Labor for me once, but with a change of heart now about how to best raise all boats economically to deliver good outcomes to working people or those falling behind, while allowing others to keep more of their hard-earned.

  43. Jo Smyth

    Outsiders had to go. KK, PVO etc were getting their noses pushed out and they didn’t like it. Even Bolt couldn’t and didn’t defend Mark as he should have done. Mark was a victim of his own success.

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ps. in case that ‘education and brains’ bit sounds patronizing, some wonderful commenters here make no claim to education (which as we know can be a PC swamp) but clearly are thinking people of varied occupations with plenty to say. I struggled up through university from the Western suburbs myself, and admire the way you stand up for the sort of people I know as strugglers and non-bullshiters from my childhood and adolescence.

  45. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    In the week or so following Mark’s sacking, it was interesting to see those on the right, like Andrew Bolt and Paul Murray, doing their best to ramp up general outrage about PC (not specifically about Mark’s case) after having made some lily-livered witterings about Mark’s firing in the initial few days. Trying to reclaim their lost credentials. lol

    Mark, go on their shows (if Sky dares let them) and politely and with calm forcefulness, make the case you have made here about what went on.

  46. Anne

    steve
    #2348353, posted on April 7, 2017 at 5:20 pm

    Latham and I are from two different sides of the political spectrum, but we have a lot in common in our views. One of the most unexpected for both of us, I would guess, is that the parties that we felt comfortable with ten to fifteen years ago still exist in name but have traveled great ideological distances to become the mainstream parties of today.

    Now ain’t that sad!!

    Politics is no longer a Spectrum. It is rapidly becoming a sharp division between Slavery and Freedom.

    There are those like Turnbull, Bishop, Shorten (all of them) who support global population culling and enslavement under a One World Privately owned Government/Financial System and a very few clued in Citizens who think that National and Individual soverignty invests humans with humanity.

    Mark, you and Steve are on the same side.

  47. Pat K

    My sons went to SBHS and I proudly worked assidusously to get them in there, I’m glad they aren’t there now,

  48. PK

    Sorry about the spelling mistake/ typo.

  49. Anne

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2348474, posted on April 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm

    Funnily enough I always thought Janet Albrechtsen was gay.
    Is she?
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.

    She was dating Michael Kroger so she’s not gay, Stimp, but I’m not sure that would qualify her as heterosexual either. Probably one of those iffy categories.

    Oh, who cares! Now I’m doing it! How distasteful to be constantly talking about people in terms of their sexual practices.

    Even Dover, a Godly man, has gone feral lately talking about women and bananas!

    Our society has gone mad.

    I suspect Chemtrails.

  50. Fisky

    Isn’t it amazing.

    Mark Latham – Mark Latham! – has in the last fortnight become a hero to conservative Australians, including many here.

    I’m not making any comment on whether that’s a good or a bad thing

    But who would have thought, remembering the crazy wild-eyed socialist loon of the 2004 campaign, that just a few years down the track we’d be singing his praises, on Catallaxy of all places.

    This really is an astonishing world. A week is a long time in politics – look what thirteen years has wrought!

    Mark Latham hasn’t changed that much, but the rest of the political class have run far to the Left.

  51. Infidel Tiger

    Latham has stuck fat with most of his positions.. The rest of Australia’s political and protected class has drifted further left than a faggy boy racer in a souped up Toyota Supra.

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    Channeling your inner Latham?

    If I had an inner Latham I probably would be gay.
    Think about it.

  53. Stimpson J. Cat

    Politics is no longer a Spectrum.

    Leave autism out of this Goddamnit!

  54. Rayvic

    Why not a guest post from ML?

    As long as ML keeps attacking PC, I am happy to hear his point of view.

  55. Harald

    True, I am a former Labor leader. I’m not a conservative, I’m a social democrat. And from that perspective, I oppose identity politics as a divisive, segregationist doctrine that weakens social trust and cohesiveness – the basic raw materials of community and the good society.

    Things are adrift. I used to be a rusted-on Liberal voter. No longer.

    There are new rifts and vault lines in society, and after the shifting of those political plates, I find myself suddenly on the same chunk together with a former Labor leader.

    So be it.
    A couple of years ago I heard Mark speak at the Friedman Libertarian conference in Sydney. I enjoyed that session. And as Mark stepped on some toes there, already then I noticed that I had more in common with Mark Latham than with some in the audience.

    Personally I hope Mark will get in the ring once more and for example run for a senate spot; say what he really wants. No holds barred this time. Not with the ambition to climb the party ladder. Just to make them squirm by pointing out their BS with impunity.

    He’d love it, I bet.

  56. Harald

    Credit to Sinclair for the kind of forum he runs here, that Mark would respond here, though.

    Naturally it was under a posting by Steve Kates – since he’s the one making sense around here lately, of course, with Sinc disagreeing in the comments…. but to Sinc’s credit, he’s not stopping the sense from being made 😛

  57. JimWilliams

    Australia needs Mark Latham, now more than ever. I would vote for him.
    Speaks his mind, says where he stands. As far from the Wentworth Waffler as it is possible to get.

  58. struth

    I note a few new voices here.
    It gives me hope.

  59. DrBeauGan

    Australia needs Mark Latham, now more than ever. I would vote for him.
    Speaks his mind, says where he stands. As far from the Wentworth Waffler as it is possible to get.

    +123.

    I disagree with some of Mark’s position, but you can see where he’s coming from. He should be in the Senate if I we can’t have him as PM.

  60. jupes

    Good on you Latho.

    We all know the reason you were sacked and it had nothing to do with schoolboys.

    A certain blonde with bingo wings springs to mind. Oh, and probably a sooky ‘professor’ as well.

    Sky would have been much better off sacking those two oxygen thieves. Your’s was the best show on tele by a mile.

  61. Megan

    I’m another one who is shocked to think that in pretty much any political contest going today I would vote for Mark Latham ahead of the rabble that pose as Liberal.

  62. Harlequin Decline

    Mark,

    Appreciate your views, such a refreshing change from the PC bullshit the MSM pedals.

    Keep calling it the way you see it, more than ever there is large audience for the truth.

  63. Norman Church

    Fisky nailed it. As a result of the sharp lurch to the left of the political and media classes in recent years, even an old style Social Democrat opposing the balkanisation of society and the death of meritocracy is apparently a member of the hard right. Still, better that than being a flaccid member of the soft left.

  64. Texas Jack

    Funny, I’d only just renewed my Foxtel when they go and force me to cancel it.

    The people who should take most note of Mark Latham and all he says are Barnaby and Fiona. The Nats are lassoed to a sinking hull of a Liberal Party that throws overboard any sailors they worry might take cutlasses to the plague-like spread of PC madness. With Turnbull at the helm the last thing you want rural and outer metropolitan voters to understand is that you have the slightest involvement in anything Turnbull is doing.

  65. Cassie of Sydney

    I agree Texas Jack, the Nats are sitting on a saddle strapped to a stinking rotten Liberal corpse. Look at what happened in NSW, with Baird’s unbelievable greyhound ban, the subsequent result was a huge electoral loss for the Nats in once safe territory because they either agreed (unlikely) or simply acquiesced (likely) to bullying and/or cajoling from the Libs and Baird. Baird’s decision was dictatorial. Good riddance to him. I think that Barnaby and the Nats need to be very mindful of Turnbull, whether any of them have the fortitude is another thing. Barnaby’s comments on Section 18C a few months ago were nothing short of disgraceful.

  66. egg_

    I think that Barnaby and the Nats need to be very mindful of Turnbull, whether any of them have the fortitude is another thing.

    The Agrarian Socialist tards are putting up windmills left, right and centre.

  67. egg_

    I’m another one who is shocked to think that in pretty much any political contest going today I would vote for Mark Latham ahead of the rabble that pose as Liberal.

    +1

  68. Rob

    Political correctness came to the fore many years ago and those of us who thought it would die a natural death were quite wrong.
    Social media has reinforced it and allowed new levels of bullying and coercion to develop unchecked.
    Sensible and decent people, including some who actually take the Twitter feed seriously, need to cease contributing to it and instead start advocating for ignoring it.
    After all, Twitter is mostly populated by anonymous cowards, ne’er-do-wells (look it up), and other disgusting individuals.

  69. Peter Baldwin (ex senior minister and ALP Socialist left faction) has raised a critique similar to mine.

    He’s recovered from his last lesson from the Bruvvas?
    Never forget the face of Labour.
    The snake is still there, no matter who the latest flavour of the month is.

  70. .

    I’m with Latham on this one:

    “Kid, are you gay (NTTAWWT)?”

    ‘No sir’

    “Not that there is anything wrong with that, but in that case, stop talking shit you pillock. Pretending to be a feminist won’t get you laid as often as you think”

    Let’s consider too a different view that this “men writing as women” crap is actually condescending and antithetical to the advancement of women. DID A SINGLE FEMINIST, OUTRAGED LEFTIST OR TALKING HEAD MENTION THIS???

    Nope.

    It is a race to the bottom to see who can be the most offended.

  71. Tel

    Let’s consider too a different view that this “men writing as women” crap is actually condescending and antithetical to the advancement of women. DID A SINGLE FEMINIST, OUTRAGED LEFTIST OR TALKING HEAD MENTION THIS???

    I think it’s perfectly legitimate to declare yourself a woman (silently) at the beginning of the relevant section, then revert back by thinking of yourself as a man at the end of it. Probably a retrospective declaration would be acceptable under the circumstances.

    Once upon a time people called it “using your imagination” but that’s been renamed to fluidity or something.

  72. .

    Tel – do you ever have the need to write a novel about being a woman? No? Why do you think that it is?

  73. I’m another one who is shocked to think that in pretty much any political contest going today I would vote for Mark Latham ahead of the rabble that pose as Liberal.

    Ain’t that the truth.

  74. Senile Old Guy

    PS – if an election were held tomorrow, I would vote for Mark Latham before Malcolm Turnbull. I think many others here would do the same. Just think about that sentence for a second, and the sheer staggering seeming-impossibility of it.

    Replace ‘Malcolm Turnbull’ with LNP leader and really consider the ‘sheer staggering seeming-impossibility of it’.

    That’s where the LNP is. People would rather vote for a former leader of the ALP than for the current leader of the LNP. ‘Sheer staggering seeming-impossibility of it’ is an understatement.

  75. Senile Old Guy

    Our society has gone mad.

    I suspect Chemtrails.

    I agree, but I don’t know what ‘chemtrails’ are. I blame them anyway.

  76. Tel

    Tel – do you ever have the need to write a novel about being a woman?

    It’s one of those things on the list. After I get the kitchen done.

  77. Faye

    Just to make them squirm by pointing out their BS with impunity.
    Cory Bernardi and Mark Latham similar? Both different in mannerism and delivery, but both bravely working against the tide of BS.

  78. Robber Baron

    Mark Latham, millionaire. Former ALP politician and leader. Currently receiving a massive tax-payer funded pension for life.

    I want him to stop receiving tax-payer handouts before I take seriously one word this egotist loud mouth has to say about anything.

  79. Jannie

    I want him to stop receiving tax-payer handouts before I take seriously one word this egotist loud mouth has to say about anything.

    What? You want him to give away his income? It is because he has an independent income that he can afford to say what he believes without being blackmailed and threatened to toe the establishment line.

    I suspect you want him to shut up.

  80. Tezza

    Thanks Mark. Add me to the “…. scores of people who have said, upon first viewing of the video they thought the first speaker was speaking as a young gay man.”

    Your remark was such obvious common sense that it fully explains the fury it belatedly provoked among the ranks of virtue-signallers.

    I’m going to encourage all the viewership I can muster for your new program!

  81. Papageno

    The boys went out on a public forum,if the boys father is so upset he should monitor and counsel his son about social media.Also,I thought today it was a compliment to be thought of as gay,and not derogatory.Sky News should apologise and reinstate Mark,after all he was only doing his job.He was employed to be out spoken and push the boundaries.I,like many others valued his anti PC and calling things for what they were.You have my full support Mark.

  82. Kalbro

    Well spoken Mark Latham.I have been a keen follower of The Outsiders on Sky and would want to see you returned.In regard to the 17 year old’s video and the subsequent controversy,he was of legal age and put his toe into the water of current political and social discussions so he was fair game to any critics of his ideas and actions.Of course the left as you say have seized upon his youth and twisted the truth for their agenda and then to try and silence you in particular.Stay strong and keep punching hard.

  83. yarpos

    I dont really care, and am a bit puzzled why others care, what Latham thinks on any topic. Why would anyone care?

  84. .

    Because he’s stridently against political correctness which is being used as a ramrod to shut up people who love freedom on social and economic issues.

  85. Stan

    Thanks for your version of events, Mark.

    TGS – it is not Latham’s “version” of events. It is a statement of facts. Go Mark!

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