Monday Forum: April 17, 2017

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  1. rickw

    I haven’t been down to Victoria for a while.
    Muslims praying on the freeway?
    Surely you jest!

    No, not jesting, pulling into a rest area and praying apparently doesn’t deliver enough “fuck you”.

  2. Gab

    The Australian looks at the cancellation of the sold-out screening of the documentary film The Red Pill which looks at mens issues

    What are they so afraid of that they have banned this film?

  3. Senile Old Guy

    Me: BUT we would probably have a predictable, stable left wing government.
    Response: They would predictably empty out the Treasury. Hmmmm, it already is empty.

    Exactly. Remember that Abbott (‘it’s a spending problem, not a revenue problem’) immediately signed on to the ALP NDIS and other big spending programs.

    Me: But, at the next election, I may actually vote for the ALP. Now this is madness and will ensure that we are governed by CFMEU mates … BUT we would probably have a predictable, stable left wing government.
    Response: What about renewed illegal immigration and 50% renewables, which are a given under Labor.

    We have idiotic renewables under the LNP and Turnbull is going to ban cheap petrol. Abbott stopped illegal immigration; who knows what the a Turnbull LNP will do.

  4. Top Ender

    Two headstones saved for the nation. Two blokes awarded George Crosses for actions in the Cowra breakout remembered.

    http://www.crookwellgazette.com.au/story/4587132/memories-saved/

  5. Cold-Hands

    European department for security and information (DESI) announced that they have received intelligence information that ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was apprehended by Syrian and Russian joint forces.

    In a press release on Tuesday, the media office of DESI secretary general said this comes after Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was forced to leave Mosul after the Iraqi forces advancement in the province.

    The media office noted that they will reserve the details of this information until further confirmation.

    The office also noted that Russian President Vladimir Putin may use this information to strike US credibility in the war on terrorism in next Geneva convention.

  6. srr

    twostix
    #2357819, posted on April 18, 2017 at 10:29 pm

    There’s a vast illegal immigrant trade coming out of India.

    Much of it operates out of the back of servos and revolves around fraudulent certifications.

    Yep, and just one more criminal industry that’s green lighted and covered by drumming in terror of one word, “RACIST!”.

  7. Tailgunner

    .. meet at the sausage stall Bunnings Hawthorn on Sunday.

    Lol, I like it! It’s time we went public!
    Got your email, Dolittle 🙂

  8. feelthebern

    My comment regarding Rebecca Wilson was in relation to her often, selective outrage when it came to members of sporting clubs doing stupid things that of course meant that said sporting franchise should be kicked out of respective leagues.

  9. feelthebern

    Regardless of ones views on ASADA & the Sharks, Wilson’s tirade against Paul Gallen was one of the biggest pieces of “journalistic” baffoonary that has ever been recorded.
    If she wasn’t knocking off Hartigan, she would never have had such a prolonged career in the media.

  10. srr

    twostix
    #2357872, posted on April 18, 2017 at 10:58 pm

    That America has a ruthless immigration department while it simultaneously has 30 million Mexicans swanning around the country like it’s there own is the epitome of clown show universe.

    nah, just part of the UN’s population thinning strategy, that most people who have yet to be thinned, are secretly behind, hence so many of the two faced, forked tongued, self serving commentator clASSES suddenly deciding they fear Trump – after him showing that he can get done, what all the others merely promise

    Feds Deporting ‘Nearly Every’ Illegal Immigrant, Report Finds

    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2017/04/18/feds-deporting-nearly-every-illegal-immigrant-report-finds/

    Jeff Sessions: Justice Dept. Under Trump Has ‘Zero Tolerance for Gang Violence’

    MS-13 operates under the motto “kill, rape, control,”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/18/jeff-sessions-justice-dept-under-trump-has-zero-tolerance-for-gang-violence/

    Interestingly, Breitbart has removed it’s, Trump hitting MS-13, headline. Now you have to trawl through all their ‘migrant’ headlines to find what a jolly good job Trump is doing … in a movie, there would be a scene where someone at Breitbart opened a gift from MS-13, of a human head in box.

  11. srr

    Bill Mitchell Retweeted
    RealVinnieJames‏ @RealVinnieJames 8h8 hours ago

    So, Trump’s #SyriaStrike proves he’s a Globalist, Neo-Con puppet?
    Actually, it proves again: he keeps his campaign promises. Watch this. -VJ
    https://twitter.com/RealVinnieJames/status/854317620077760512

  12. rickw

    What are they so afraid of that they have banned this film?

    It must be good! These days being banned is a sure sign of goodness!

  13. Geriatric Mayfly

    It’s still all rope, pitons and crampons in the labyrinthine Mountains of Stupidity, each peak higher than the last.
    Students at the Claremont McKenna Colleges argued that objective truth is a social construct devised by “white supremacists” to “attempt to silence oppressed peoples” in a letter to the Pomona College president.

  14. srr

    Jordan B Peterson‏ @jordanbpeterson 4h4 hours ago

    At long last: 2017 Personality lecture 18: Opennes/IQ/Creativity I

    2017 Personality 18: Biology & Traits: Openness/Intelligence/Creativity I

    Apr 18, 2017
    In this lecture, I talk about Big Five trait openness to experience, which is the dimension composed of an amalgam of creativity and intelligence. I also discuss IQ: how it is measured, what it means, how powerfully it predicts long-term life success, as well as the highly skewed Pareto distribution of creative production.

  15. Bruce of Newcastle

    Speaking of the mountains of stupidity, I was out for morning walk and a green van with all sorts of flashing lights on top went by.

    Three people wearing fluoros in it.

    They were checking contents of recycling bins to see if they were halal. One in my street (not mine) was pinged – tied up with orange tape and fierce admonishments pasted onto it.

    Sigh.

  16. Cold-Hands

    Saskatchewan rancher Adrienne Ivey may have heard of a beaver, but until now, had never seen a beaver herd — cattle, that is.

    On Friday, Ivey and her husband were surprised to see 150 of their heifers crowded together in one of their pastures.

    Curious about the strange behaviour, they investigated further, to find the herd of cattle following a beaver that had wandered along.

    “He was out and about, I think looking for a new place to build a beaver lodge, and they were following him,” Ivey said. “There was about a three-foot space around him. They didn’t want to get closer than that.”

    According to Ivey, heifers are more inquisitive than the average bovine, which may have led to them following the beaver.

    “They’re a curious bunch,” she said. “They’re kind of like teenagers. And I think they were following this thing around because they couldn’t figure out what the heck it was.”

    Ivey thought the odd event was even more notable considering the beaver is Canada’s national symbol.

    “We just thought this was so funny and so Canadian,” she said. “A Canadian beaver leading around a bunch of Canadian cattle just makes it even more funny.”

  17. srr

    Red font at the top of DRUDGE –

    SHOOTING RAMPAGE FRESNO…
    THREE DEAD…
    SUSPECT SCREAMS ‘ALLAH AKBAR’…
    ‘HATRED TOWARD WHITE PEOPLE’…

    (remember when traitors, rightly, copped it worse than the uniformed enemy … no? don’t worry, memories will be jogged)

  18. Geriatric Mayfly

    Koalas in the cow paddock provoke the same reaction from Australian ruminants, Cold-Hands.

  19. feelthebern

    Quality Tim Blair today re the red bandanna.

  20. Geriatric Mayfly

    But not a hate crime, naturally.
    Fresno police say suspect in triple slaying told them he hates white people, shouted “God is great” before killings. http://apne.ws/2o0DdZT

  21. calli

    Triple shooting in California. Killer said something about snackbars.

    NTDWI

  22. calli

    shouted “God is great”

    #FakeNews. “Allah is greater“.

    Still, NTDWI.

  23. Senile Old Guy

    Bolt on Turnbull’s visa problem. These are protected occupations for Australians. So Australia will continue have mostly crap movies and TV. Meanwhile, in the US, some of the biggest stars of TV and movies are…Australian.

    Under the cloak of this announcement is some disturbing cultural protectionism – the creation of barriers in one field where there should be none. Here are some of the 216 occupation groups that cannot now qualify for temporary work visas under yesterday’s changes:

    Actor
    Actors, Dancers and Other Entertainers NEC
    Art Director (Film, Television or Stage)
    Artistic Director
    Communications Operator
    Drama Teacher (Private Tuition)
    Entertainer or Variety Artist
    Film, Television, Radio and Stage Directors NEC
    Gallery or Museum Technician
    Media Producer (excluding Video)
    Multimedia Designer
    Music Director
    Music Professionals NEC
    Musical Instrument Maker or Repairer
    Painter (Visual Arts)
    Potter or ceramic artist
    Radio Presenter
    Screen Printer

  24. Hydra

    cold hands – nice to wake to some good news

  25. Hydra

    Woke up today to an email asking me to apply for a secondment to NYC.

    My occupation isn’t on the cancelled 457 list. But it made me wonder that if it was, how is it fair?

  26. calli

    objective truth is a social construct

    Easily proved. Show them a cricket bat. Raise the bat and swing at their pinhead. Observe reaction.

  27. cynical1

    We must face facts, Australians are disgusting slobs. We have a million unemployed and another million faking it on disability. Two million losers lying around, drinking Coles brand cola, dropping dead skin on their couch, watching Netflix all day, while an African tribesman wipes an old war vets bottom.

    Don’t you pick on our bogans.

    They are too smart to take a pay cut to wipe arses.

    Good Lord, some of the creatures in Coles or Woolies probably can’t wipe their own.

  28. srr

    ACLJ Files Lawsuit In An Effort To Secure Evidence of Deep State Political Spying
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/aclj-files-lawsuit-effort-secure-evidence-deep-state-political-spying/

    While fake news journalists invent new conspiracy theories to keep the Russian narrative alive, one organization is working to uncover evidence of actual criminal activities committed by former high ranking members of the U.S. government.

    The ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) filed a lawsuit and several FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) requests to the National Security Agency (NSA) in an effort to uncover those involved in Deep State Political Spying against members of the Trump campaign.

    Jay Sekulow of ACLJ.org wrote:

    Today we are sending our FOIA requests to the National Security Agency (NSA). If they do not respond, we’ll once again go back to the federal court. Rice’s conduct is unprecedented. We will do everything in our power to get to the bottom of what she actually did, why she did what she did, and who else was part of the conspiracy. While the purely political nature of the motive seems obvious, the ACLJ is after the evidence that will prove it.

    So far, the NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intellegence (ODNI) have ignored the clear requirements of FOIA and are wrongfully withholding the records we identified. Those records are critical to understanding the depth of what is happening – and the carefully calculated collusion behind it.

    Government agencies try to stall and stonewall this investigation in hopes that it will be forgotten. Politicians during Obama’s lawless reign have gotten away with far too much and finally need to be held accountable. No one should be above the law.

    https://aclj.org/national-security/aclj-files-lawsuit-and-more-foia-requests-to-uncover-deep-states-political-spying
    __________________

    gee, boring Australian water treading politics may start to become interesting again as people realize that our spies against Trump, for the UN, are also our traitors for the UN. 😀

  29. srr

    🙂 …

    Newly Confirmed Supreme Court Judge Neil Gorsuch Grills Lawyers About the ‘Text of the Statute’

    Jim Hoft Apr 18th, 2017 6:30 am 155 Comments

    Guest post by Joe Hoft

    In his first day hearing Supreme Court arguments newly confirmed judge Neil Gorsuch instantly and with ease jumped in and began grilling attorneys with questions about statutory law and how it applied to their arguments.

    The justices, with the exception of the usually silent Clarence Thomas, are known for their aggressive questioning, and Gorsuch showed no qualms about jumping right in. Eight times during the course of three one-hour arguments Gorsuch peppered attorneys with a series of pointed questions.

    The court had its full complement of nine justices, five conservatives and four liberals, for arguments for the first time since Justice Antonin Scalia’s death in February 2016.

    Judge Gorsuch was welcomed to the bench but was not shy in his questioning:

    Gorsuch asked a string of questions about complicated federal law. As he indicated during his Senate confirmation hearing last month, his line of inquiry focused on the text of a statute, an approach also embraced by Scalia and other conservative jurists.

    “Wouldn’t it be a lot easier if we followed the plain text of the statute? What am I missing?” Gorsuch asked government lawyer Brian Fletcher in the employment case.

    Judge Gorsuch asked 22 questions in total after waiting only 10 minutes before jumping in.

    At one point, Christopher Landau, a Washington, D.C., lawyer representing a former federal worker trying to navigate a complicated law governing grievance procedures, said, “We’re not asking this court to break any new ground.”

    “No, just to continue to make it up,” Gorsuch shot back with a grin, indicating he believed previous court decisions had strayed from the text of the law.

    Judge Gorsuch said he would judge cases based on the law while not creating the law and he showed this in his questioning of attorneys presenting cases to the Court.

    … 🙂 … 😆

  30. Notafan

    Does that mean that Australians can only get jobs overseas if we allow people to come here to do the exact same jobs?

    I thought 457s were meant to satisfy skills shortages not to facilitate swappsies.

  31. Hydra

    Does that mean that Australians can only get jobs overseas if we allow people to come here to do the exact same jobs?

    I thought 457s were meant to satisfy skills shortages not to facilitate swappsies.

    No but why should the US open their borders to us but we close ours to them?

    As far as I am concerned US, UK, CA, NZ citizens should not even require a passport to come here let alone a visa to work.

  32. srr

    When it comes to trying to hold free and fair elections, the whole world has become Third World, under the UN & EU.

  33. Baldrick

    Today’s front page of the Telegraph, featuring Michael Trumble.

  34. srr

    Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸‏Verified account
    @JackPosobiec

    Fresno killer was a fan of CNN, MSNBC, and The Young Turks, per Facebook page
    ..
    Do you disavow this anti-white terrorist? @JakeTapper @Maddow @CenkUygur
    ____________

    Ha! … and why would they disavow what they have been paid so well to create … 👿 …

  35. Tailgunner

    Today’s front page of the Telegraph, featuring Michael Trumble.

    Bahahaha!
    He looks good…has he lost some weight?

  36. Anne

    …the whole world has become Third World, under the UN & EU.

    It will.

    UN Agenda 2030 plan to chip all of humanity. Every man monitored, tracked, turned off or killed at the whim of the Rulers.

    RFID Chip ‘Mark of the Beast’.

    You can skip the 5 minutes or so of Microchip implants are so cool and convenient indoctrination but watch to the end. Frightening.

    https://youtu.be/aj3OJDQdje4

  37. Baldrick

    He looks good…has he lost some weight?

    Hey Gunner, if you invested $1.75 million of your own money and face the current Newspolls, you’d look a bit thin on it too.

  38. srr

    Far-left actor Mandy Patinkin said something to MSNBC that should make everyone want to pause. He said that white men in the military “are the bad guys” and not the Muslim government.

    Then he said the Muslim community has made huge contributions to the world. Then, of course, liberal Chuck Todd agreed with him.

    VIDEO –

    http://redstatejournalist.com/?p=372

  39. Rabz

    Students at the Claremont McKenna Colleges argued that objective truth is a social construct devised by “white supremacists” to “attempt to silence oppressed peoples” in a letter to the Pomona College president.

    This is how societies collapse (and not as slowly as people might hope).

    What monumental idiocy.

  40. Bear Necessities

    Re 457 Replacement.

    Just another way of telling businesses who they can employ. What’s wrong with businesses going overseas and getting people who best fit their business?

    No wonder businesses are putting their regional head offices into Singapore. They offer the flexibility to employ from a large number of countries.

  41. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 9h9 hours ago

    Fuck doing it to annoy my Scouse mates, she gets my vote after watching this anyway
    https://www.youtube.com/embed/yt-SQzv55Ck

  42. Anne

    Srr, I’m annoyed about Mandy Patinkin. Inigo Montoya is one of my favourite characters, so I’m not watching the actor befoul that movie magic.

    Many of these types of people seem to be coming out of the woodwork with exaggerated moralising.

    It’s bizarre.

    I suspect some kind of mind control or perhaps good old fashioned blackmail.

  43. johanna

    Very revealing that our “creative” luvvies are protected from competition. Of course, if they were not allowed to work in Hollywood the shrieks would be heard from space.

    They are really, really terrified of punters being exposed to world class talent, which would show up the local puddle inhabitants for the mediocrities they mostly are.

    It runs parallel with the obnoxious import restrictions on cheaper foreign published books, another measure which is an indefensible attack on consumers.

    Does anyone know how this works for, say, touring bands or orchestras or circuses and the like from overseas?

  44. Roger

    Students at the Claremont McKenna Colleges argued that objective truth is a social construct devised by “white supremacists” to “attempt to silence oppressed peoples” in a letter to the Pomona College president.

    But then their argument cannot be objectively true.

  45. john constantine

    University students exposed to the re-education camps run along the lines of the thought of the gold logie award winning waleed the denouncer have the felt truth that :

    “There is no objective truth, just the struggle for political advantage”

    as the core take home message inculcated by their taxfunded training as cannon fodder for their leftist militias.

  46. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 10h10 hours ago

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted ExMuslim TV
    https://twitter.com/exmuslimtv/status/854297683829415936
    Whatever people’s opinion on islam, it is always worse than what they think it is.

  47. Roger

    Very revealing that our “creative” luvvies are protected from competition.

    Open borders for thee but not for me. Rank hypocrites. Defund the arts now. Stop subsidising the revolution!

  48. john constantine

    Their tokyo rose ward starts a lot earlier than university, where their yarragrad re-education camps teach in their Safe Stalinism framed agenda that:

    “There is no objective truth, just the glorious Spectrum of Social Justice, try it with older and more experienced Stalinists and see if you like it.”

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Coming in late on Agincourt and two-fingers being cut off. Have come across this one a few times in my medieval combat research. In summary:
    – there is no primary evidence to suggest the French did this to captured bowmen
    – there are two references IIRR to the idea but they are English
    – bowmen needed three fingers not two to draw the very heavy draw-weight (100-150 lbs) of the longbow
    – anyway why go to all that trouble? Just knock captured bowmen on the head – much easier.
    Hope this helps.

    I will file all of this under A for Ammunition. To be used on Hairy when a suitable occasion arises. 🙂
    Also, MV’s statement that all freemen had to do daily practice and all had to be right-handed even the left-handed ones. A useful extra for the final blitz. Thank you both.

  50. Tailgunner

    Hey Gunner, if you invested $1.75 million of your own money and face the current Newspolls, you’d look a bit thin on it too.

    Heh 😀

  51. Bear Necessities

    I’m surprised “Social Justice Warrior” isn’t excluded.

    Under the cloak of this announcement is some disturbing cultural protectionism – the creation of barriers in one field where there should be none. Here are some of the 216 occupation groups that cannot now qualify for temporary work visas under yesterday’s changes:

    Actor
    Actors, Dancers and Other Entertainers NEC
    Art Director (Film, Television or Stage)
    Artistic Director
    Communications Operator
    Drama Teacher (Private Tuition)
    Entertainer or Variety Artist
    Film, Television, Radio and Stage Directors NEC
    Gallery or Museum Technician
    Media Producer (excluding Video)
    Multimedia Designer
    Music Director
    Music Professionals NEC
    Musical Instrument Maker or Repairer
    Painter (Visual Arts)
    Potter or ceramic artist
    Radio Presenter
    Screen Printer

  52. srr

    I suspect some kind of mind control or perhaps good old fashioned blackmail.

    Anne, just have a look at the face of the bearded officer behind the paki police chief –

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 12h12 hours ago

    🇵🇰Pakistan Police Chief ➡️ Says he can’t prosecute “Blasphemy” killers (all on video) because his own police will kill him
    https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/854279180439216128

    And this is what pisses me off with all the #FakeBase that talked tough, until Trump did what he promised,, namely, “Bomb the shit out of ISIS”.

    Then suddenly they are all in squarely back in the Muslim Owned, magic negro, Obama’s fantasy land of rainbow unicorns, rose petals for dung, and Islamic calls for Islamic “peace“, and everyone up for fighting the most dangerous, sadistic world crushing cult, is now being smeared as some sort of war mongering war criminal.

  53. Stimpson J. Cat

    .. meet at the sausage stall Bunnings Hawthorn on Sunday.

    This just sounds so shady on so many levels.
    🙂

  54. Tom

    Safe Stalinism

    Yes, John C.

    The Safe Stalinist State is a Monty for Dickhead Dan’s next Victoriastani number plate.

  55. Stimpson J. Cat

    Entertainer or Variety Artist

    I like to think of myself as a variety artist.

  56. Roger

    Has anyone noticed that the Aust Post parcel delivery people don’t seem to deliver parcels anymore?

    Instead they stick their card in your door or letter box, not even bothering to ring the doorbell. The card no longer says “we tried to deliver a parcel today but you weren’t home” but “you have a parcel to be collected”. So you trundle down to the local post office and stand in line for half an hour, having paid a premium to Aust Post to avoid just that. If private courier companies can run an efficient parcel delivery business and make a profit why can’t Aust Post?

  57. Bear Necessities

    If private courier companies can run an efficient parcel delivery business and make a profit why can’t Aust Post?

    Your question has the answer in it.

  58. struth

    Students at the Claremont McKenna Colleges argued that objective truth is a social construct devised by “white supremacists” to “attempt to silence oppressed peoples” in a letter to the Pomona College president.

    The students are a social construct.
    It all starts in our schools by the teachers.
    Be they university professors or kindy teachers, they are either dead set insane lefties or are weak and compliant.

    Truth and sanity are the enemy of the reds that teach these kids.
    They are at war with the west, as they have always been and here we are without the brains to sight our guns correctly at the bombers yet alone think we could and must, be bombing the factories that produce them.

  59. Stimpson J. Cat

    objective truth is a social construct

    This is ridiculous.
    Of course I have to think like this, in case I am psychotic at the time and my alleged objective truth is bugf*ck crazy.
    I need to consider all options present so I can choose the most sane one, or simply do nothing.
    But normal people should not think like this.
    It’s just not healthy.

  60. egg_

    feelthebern
    #2357807, posted on April 18, 2017 at 10:26 pm
    They took our jobs.

    H/t South Park

    IT being the largest 457 sector on the above link from Infidel Tiger – 9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’ is a humongous freaking racket – presumably, it’s gotten so large that the Feds hand has been forced.

  61. Senile Old Guy

    Has anyone noticed that the Aust Post parcel delivery people don’t seem to deliver parcels anymore? Instead they stick their card in your door or letter box, not even bothering to ring the doorbell. The card no longer says “we tried to deliver a parcel today but you weren’t home” but “you have a parcel to be collected”.

    Yes, last parcel I got they did exactly that. I was home all morning, near the front door; never heard a sound. Go outside and there is a card stuck in the door.

  62. Roger

    Your question has the answer in it.

    At first I intended it to be rhetorical, but now I think I actually want to know…why?

    (Btw we presently have a bill dispute with Telstra over a mobile phone that was never delivered; we received one of the above mentioned cards, I went to the lpo who couldn’t find it (not the first time). Prove you don’t have it, says Telstra! It’s like being in a Kafka novel.)

  63. egg_

    9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’

    You can bet your bottom dollar that the bulk of same will be subcontinentals – quite an ‘industry’.

  64. Nick

    meet at the sausage stall Bunnings Hawthorn on Sunday.

    Hawthorn has a Bunnings?
    Lots of yard clogs, expensive watering cans and hand crafted gardening tools?

  65. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Don’t the Oz Post contractors get a fee to go to you door and attempt to deliver the parcel followed by a fee to return the ‘undeliverable’ parcel to the post office?

  66. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    But then their argument cannot be objectively true.

    hahaha Roger. In my university days I used to throw this one at the post-modernists too. The simple logical paradox (such as we can see with the Liar Paradox). It always sent them back to some Marxist SJW objectivity that existed as a ‘truth’ in and of itself ; a highly debatable ‘truth’ factor indeed given their bounded field and when there could be far better assessments of what we may hold to be a truth, and the associated notion of validity. All of which I would then point out to them. Fun to see them squirm. 😀

  67. srr

    john constantine
    #2358047, posted on April 19, 2017 at 8:48 am

    Their tokyo rose ward starts a lot earlier than university, where their yarragrad re-education camps teach in their Safe Stalinism framed agenda that:

    “There is no objective truth, just the glorious Spectrum of Social Justice, try it with older and more experienced Stalinists and see if you like it.”

    It also started many decades ago, when all of us reporting and warning of what was being done, were fobbed off as “conspiracy theorists” (as per CIA instruction), if we were lucky, or utterly destroyed if we made too strong a case to effectively.

    And now that they can no longer get away with keeping their plans hidden under ad hom. insults against the observant and vocal, they’re coming straight out with the threats of their ‘unstoppable’ plans, so join ’em, or else! Don’t fall for it, it’s only their last ditch play to stay in the game after a long cheating streak. It’s the beginning of their end, not the start of reign.

  68. Roger

    IT being the largest 457 sector on the above link from Infidel Tiger – 9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’ is a humongous freaking racket – presumably, it’s gotten so large that the Feds hand has been forced.

    Not to mention service station attendants and taxi drivers.

    We’d effectively outsourced a considerable slice of the administration of our immigration program to shysters and chancers.

  69. incoherent rambler

    (Btw we presently have a bill dispute with Telstra over a mobile phone that was never delivered; we received one of the above mentioned cards, I went to the lpo who couldn’t find it (not the first time). Prove you don’t have it, says Telstra! It’s like being in a Kafka novel.)

    Next door’s gardener signed for my phone.

  70. struth

    Yes, last parcel I got they did exactly that. I was home all morning, near the front door; never heard a sound. Go outside and there is a card stuck in the door.

    Who’s to question whether you were home or not?

    How much quicker could his rounds be done by poking cards in doors then hiding out the rest of the day smoking a scoob and dropping his work back for front counter to do?

    The efficiency and strict performance analysis of government.

  71. Bear Necessities

    IT being the largest 457 sector on the above link from Infidel Tiger – 9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’ is a humongous freaking racket – presumably, it’s gotten so large that the Feds hand has been forced.

    Being in the IT industry, I want developers and analysts who know what they are doing and can do it efficiently and on time. Many software/hardware applications these days require specific knowledge which can only be gained from overseas. Sure you may be able to get a few ex pats back to do this but not all the time.

    13000 457’s in an employment sector of 100,000’s is not material.

  72. incoherent rambler

    IT being the largest 457 sector on the above link from Infidel Tiger – 9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’ is a humongous freaking racket – presumably, it’s gotten so large that the Feds hand has been forced.

    Now you have one more reason why government web sites are largely inoperable.

    Is the 457 thing payback for screwing up the online census?

  73. Roger

    Don’t the Oz Post contractors get a fee to go to you door and attempt to deliver the parcel followed by a fee to return the ‘undeliverable’ parcel to the post office?

    Ah…that would explain it. Thanks Nelson!

    And soon parcel post charges will go up to cover the rise in costs due to all those “undeliverable” parcels, no doubt.

  74. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    meet at the sausage stall Bunnings Hawthorn on Sunday.

    Any drinkies? Cask wine in a brown paper package? Tailgunner, you bring the plakky cups.
    Shame I can’t be there, Melbourne and all. 😀

  75. Bear Necessities

    At first I intended it to be rhetorical, but now I think I actually want to know…why?

    Australia Post has no Profit motive, thus no motive to please the customer.

  76. IT being the largest 457 sector on the above link from Infidel Tiger – 9,000 ‘programmers’ and 4,000 ‘analysts’ is a humongous freaking racket – presumably, it’s gotten so large that the Feds hand has been forced.

    Not to mention service station attendants and taxi drivers.

    Service station attendants and taxi drivers…….. on 457 visas?

    Are-you-serious?

  77. srr

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2358058, posted on April 19, 2017 at 9:02 am
    .. meet at the sausage stall Bunnings Hawthorn on Sunday.

    This just sounds so shady on so many levels.
    🙂

    That’s because it is 🙂

    Tailgunner
    #2357586, posted on April 18, 2017 at 7:36 pm
    Monty, come on – you’re better than this!

    m0nty and JC enjoy each other’s company, chatting over how to better play ‘good cop, bad cop’ for the Textor & Co. Polie Installing Company and JC’s beloved uncle George Soros’. They are both actually much worse than their worse.

    On a related topic –

    I have no doubt that the vast number of people defending the murderous ANTIFA feral slag, are the same comfortable Western ilk that fund and push the tactic of putting women and children on the front lines of ANTIFA and Muslim hit squads, for the purpose of disarming those who dare make a stand for free speech, or, even more outrageously, for justice to be done.

  78. egg_

    13000 457’s in an employment sector of 100,000’s is not material.

    Bullsh1t – the inverted commas are from what’s likely on the 457 form, not the person’s actual role – they’re likely low level drones – WRT software – no need to even be in the country – Wipro ring a bell?

  79. egg_

    Now you have one more reason why government web sites are largely inoperable.

    ‘Many a true word is spoken in jest’.

  80. incoherent rambler

    I have a Cert IV that says I know how to spell “Windows” and “Microsoft”.

  81. incoherent rambler

    I wasn’t jesting egg.

  82. Holy crap. Look at what Fairfax is publishing!

    To be fair, Infy, none of the commenter are buying this obvious propaganda. In half a dozen comments, I didn’t even see an equivalence with Trump. Did they run out of kool-aid?

  83. Bear Necessities

    If you require low level drones, you just go to Bangalore and get it processed/coded there. No need to bring them to Australia.

    I say again 13000 in an industry of 100,000’s is paltry.

  84. Snoopy

    Something dodgy is going on with foreigners who buy servo and convenience store businesses to qualify for a business visa. You can tell the nationality of the owner by the staff he employs. 100% Indian staff = Indian owner. 100% Chinese staff = Chinese owner.

    Curiously Coles and Woolies can still find Australians to work in their stores and servos.

  85. Infidel Tiger

    Haha!

    The ALP are going full birther on the black lady senator.

  86. Nick

    The ALP are going full birther on the black lady senator.

    I hope and pray that someone finds further, similar dirt on Shanghai Sam

  87. egg_

    I wasn’t jesting egg.

    An old saying, ‘if the workplace is full of subcontinentals, you know they’re paying sh1te’.

  88. calli

    Many of these types of people seem to be coming out of the woodwork with exaggerated moralising.

    Polarisation will do that. And it works on both sides of the divide.

  89. Snoopy

    Where’s Shanghai Sam’s advice from the Iranian government that he’s no longer a citizen?

  90. egg_

    I say again 13000 in an industry of 100,000’s is paltry.

    Keep dreaming, Mowgli.

  91. Baldrick

    100% Indian staff = Indian owner. 100% Chinese staff = Chinese owner.

    Well at least they acknowledge you with more than just a grunt and hand back your credit card with a smile instead of throwing it on the counter and never once looking up from their iPhone.

  92. calli

    But then their argument cannot be objectively true.

    You can’t argue that and win. Too abstract.

    The cricket bat lesson is best.

  93. struth

    Prove you don’t have it, says Telstra! It’s like being in a Kafka novel.)

    A little story.

    I got sick once and had to go to the dirty disease ridden , politically correct, Alice Springs Hospital.
    That made me violently ill for weeks.
    When in pain, take a plane was our motto there…………….

    Anyway, while lying on the couch with the bucket next to me I got a phone call from Telstra and they were trying to sell me a new phone and plan and I had all the time in the world to talk to them and try and get a good deal.

    To keep this short, I bought a new phone and plan on the proviso it came with a car kit (a while ago now).
    When it came, I opened the box, and no car kit.
    I spent the next few months on hold, being told the department that sold me the phone no longer exists,
    getting nothing from the ombudsman, but being told I must still pay for the phone, which I wasn’t going to do.

    I kept persisting.

    They realised I wasn’t going away, so they then informed me that opening the box meant I’d signed the contract.
    Yes, they really said that.
    When I explained to them that their idiocy relating to that was their problem, then at a final resort they got nasty.
    They put me on to their legal guys who were just thugs.
    They told me that I could try all I like but they were much bigger than I was and I didn’t have a hope in hell.
    Basically bend over and take it scum boy, we’ll make the rules up as we go.
    I’ll always remember how this guy swore and lost the plot when I said I wasn’t backing down and I will go to court.
    A few days later a cheap car kit, one of those 80 dollar jobs using your cig lighter came in the mail.
    Not the car kit I was thinking of, but I took it as a win.

    After that they started recording verbal agreements on the phone.

    I couldn’t get over a lawyer trying to tell me that opening a box was signing a contract, and that it was actual law.

  94. Snoopy

    That’s not my experience, Balders.

  95. calli

    Telstra.

    Still waiting to have my land line phone number ported. Since November last year.

    I’m being punished for not choosing them as my internet provider.

  96. Roger

    Service station attendants and taxi drivers…….. on 457 visas?

    Actually, I’m not sure how the Indian taxi drivers come here, but I know for a fact that wealthy Indian families who buy businesses here to get residency are very adept at manipulating the visa system to bring workers here whom they then underpay and exploit in other ways (putting them in substandard accommodation that own, for e.g., and taking the rent out of their pay.). And there’s a cadre of ethnic Indian migration lawyers who assist them.

  97. struth

    Mark Latham’s show on tonight.

  98. srr

    Ant! Where for art thou … you cowardly idiot?

    Your most hated source of political insights has just made a Feature Article on Australia’s Turnbull 🙂 😆 –

    Sheeple Positioning – Australia’s PM Turnbull Proposes “Australia First” VISA Reform…
    Posted on April 18, 2017 by sundance

    You might have noticed amid all of the Asian Pacific negotiations taking place, one country is transparently absent from the policy expressions of President Trump, Australia.

    Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull displayed his self-serving Robert-The-Bruce sensibilities and simultaneously burned any diplomatic bridge he might have carried toward the Trump administration when he tried to force President Trump, via a lame-duck sneaky deal with President Obama, to accept illegal immigrants.

    The concept of integrity is so far way from Malcolm Turnbull that the light from where integrity emanates could not reach him in one term of an Trump administration. [ 😆 yet sadly, so true ]

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/malcolm-turnbull-1.jpg
    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/trump-crosses.jpg?w=600&h=450

    The conniving indecency of Turnbull was the worst form of political relationship building a fool could ever construct. A particularly stupid approach when you consider the target of Turnbulls’ day one posturing was the personification of a non-politician, Donald Trump.

    Suffice to say the credibility and trustworthiness of current Australian leadership was immediately recognized as non existent.

    It is against this backdrop of self-serving, conniving, scheming manipulation the latest Australian political strategy is evidenced:

    Continue reading [also includes lots more embedded links] →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/04/18/sheeple-positioning-australias-pm-turnbull-proposes-australia-first-visa-reform/#more-131481

  99. Rococo Liberal

    Does anyone know how this works for, say, touring bands or orchestras or circuses and the like from overseas?

    No it doesn’t affect touring acts, because they are not employees of Australian entities.

  100. Anne

    Many of these types of people seem to be coming out of the woodwork with exaggerated moralising.

    Polarisation will do that. And it works on both sides of the divide.

    I’m not sure about that, Calli.

    We’re not moralising, we’re rational.

    It seems our side is saying: You’re deluded if you think Communism/Sharia is Utopia.

    Their side is saying: Your voice must be snuffed out because you are immoral, RACIST, FASCIST (sic), ISLAMOPHOBIC, etc.

  101. JC

    I posted this on the wrong fred. Should be here.

    Get a load of this. And people say there isn’t a God. DNC chairman speaking to CNN and American flag crashed to the floor… just as he mentions Crooked.

  102. egg_

    If you require low level drones…

    9,000 ‘programmers’ is likely fraud – they’re likely on menial desktop deployment – a massive racket IMO.

  103. Bear Necessities

    9,000 ‘programmers’ is likely fraud – they’re likely on menial desktop deployment – a massive racket IMO.

    Proof Egg?

    I say again 13000 in an industry of 100,000’s is paltry.

  104. Mark A

    13000 457’s in an employment sector of 100,000’s is not material.

    More than 10% contamination in any substance is intolerable.
    More than 10% foreign workers in an industry is a gross distortion in a workforce.

    Especially when the tertiary institutions are churning out coders, and that’s what those foreigners mostly are.

  105. Nick

    An Indian restaurant I know of is mostly empty, doing a reasonable takeaway trade, while other food businesses around it prosper. A reason is that their service is shit. One theory is that they are high caste Indians used to having servants and have no idea of having to serve and what it may require.

  106. egg_

    Proof Egg?

    They’ll be smashed by the Feds.

  107. calli

    We’re not moralising, we’re rational.

    It seems our side is saying: You’re deluded if you think Communism/Sharia is Utopia.

    Something about this photo made my heart sink. Others will think differently.

  108. I say again 13000 in an industry of 100,000’s is paltry.

    You can say it as many times as you like, it doesn’t make it true.

  109. Nelson Kidd-Players

    And soon parcel post charges will go up to cover the rise in costs due to all those “undeliverable” parcels, no doubt.

    I think they are already quite pricey compared to the rest of the world. Delivery fees for small items from overseas are very reasonable.

    Most times when I look for an old title to buy (usually after a Cat recommendation), Booko identifies the best value copy to be in Ireland, the UK or the USA. Delivered to Australia for $10…$15. I think the international postal arrangements have something to do with it. Oz Post is obliged to complete the delivery of parcels from other countries. The opposite direction is a lot more expensive!

  110. Nelson Kidd-Players

    New Fred continues here.
    Here be dragons. ꜜ

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  114. Bear Necessities

    Australian Jobs Link

    Based on the link (go to page 44) approximately 430,000 persons are employed in the IT industry within Australia. So 457s make up approximately 3% of the workforce.

    I say again 13000 in an industry of 100,000’s is paltry.

    Please provide evidence that this is not so.

  115. Top Ender

    Has anyone noticed that the Aust Post parcel delivery people don’t seem to deliver parcels anymore?

    I put in a written complaint the other day to the extent that they put a card in your box at the PO, saying you have a parcel to collect. But you can only collect it at the times the PO is open, which of course, is in normal working hours.

    Ho-hum, you might think, hasn’t it always been that way, but the same PO has these new “postal lockers” whereby they give you a special key to open locker number 89 or whatever. Have only scored that twice.

    So what is the special secret way to get the special usage locker?

  116. egg_

    Harald said he’d raised issues of the IT 457 racket with the IPA.

  117. egg_

    Australian Jobs Link

    9,000 alleged 457 ‘programmers’ is beyond farce, even to the Feds.

  118. Anne

    Something about this photo made my heart sink.

    Why?

    I see a couple of guys sticking everything ANTIFA hate, Masculinity, InfoWars, the Bible, American Flag and Capitalism, IN THEIR FACES. 😀

    Note: Pepsi is Satanic, in league with the Globalist Pathocrats.

  119. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I expected dragons, not cats, Anne!

  120. Fisky

    Service station attendants and taxi drivers…….. on 457 visas?

    Nah, they’ll get here on student visas.

  121. johanna

    No it doesn’t affect touring acts, because they are not employees of Australian entities.

    OK, so how does that prevent MicroSatan Singapore from sending someone over here to do IT work, nominally paid by the Singapore entity, that person having been hired by Singapore specifically to do a job in Australia? That goes for other multinationals as well.

    I think that there is a distinction between the well known abuses of the current program and the perfectly sensible notion of bringing in people to fill skills shortages in specialist areas like mining and IT.

    That is different from broad spectrum occupations like nursing and teaching, where we have been importing people both as migrants and on short term visas for a long time. That points to ongoing structural problems in those sectors.

    It is also puzzling why we are still importing chefs, for example. FFS, you can hardly switch on the TV without some cooking show getting in your face, covering every cuisine known to man. There have never been more people who can cook decently in our history. We have enough Indians and other Asians who can cook to put a restaurant on every corner, let alone their descendants. People like Poh and Luke Nguyen and Kylie Kwong are well remunerated local celebrities. Plenty of career paths for the locals there.

    I can see a small, limited category for senior chefs in big hotel chains and the like to be able to move around, but for the most, someone is surely having a lend.

  122. Leo G

    Apparently, there is little to fear in a Erdogan-led, Islamic fundamentalist, Turkish state:-

    “Just because Erdogan and the AKP have Islamic beliefs, does not mean that secular and democratic processes will be undermined. In fact those conservative religious values will make both justice and freedom the cornerstone of the ‘New Turkey’.” – Director of Forum on Australia’s Islamic Relations Kuranda Seyit in a Sydney Morning Herald oped today.

    Seyit believes concern in the West about the loss of responsible government in Turkey should be dismissed as Islamophobia.

  123. Motelier

    Anyone here?

    Nope?

    Okay, I’ll lock the doors now.

  124. Antonin D

    It’s puzzling alright, this importing of chefs. Once upon a time, a wise person predicted that we would soon be forced to drown in compassion. True. And now it’s cooking shows.

  125. Andrew

    So, if the 457s visa grants are being rampantly rorted by corrupt agents and “friendly” govt officials with a migration background, I wonder about the veracity of the protection visa process…

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