My citizenship might be revoked

The government is proposing stricter rules on new citizenship applications.

Looking at the questions I suspect they are substituting some no-brainers for problematic questions. The no-brainers:

* Does Australia’s principle of freedom of religion mean that it is permissible to force children to marry?

* In Australia’s multicultural society, under which circumstances is it permissible to cut female genitals?

* While it is illegal to use violence in public, under what circumstances can you strike your spouse in the privacy of your own home?

* Under what circumstances is it appropriate to prohibit girls from education?

Mind you – there might be some fun answers and variations to those questions. For example:

*Does Australia’s principle of freedom of religion mean that it is permissible to persecute Catholic bishops for supporting the law of the land?

* While it is illegal to use violence in public, under what circumstances can you disrupt traffic and fellow employees on a picket line?

But it is the old questions that caught my eye.

Which of these statements about Australia’s system of government is correct?
a) The Queen of Australia chooses people to form the Australian Parliament
b) The government is elected by the people
c) The PM chooses our Members of Parliament

Which of the statements about government in Australia is correct?
a) The government does not allow some religions
b) Government in Australia is secular
c) Religious laws are passed by Parliament

The old problem with multiple choice questions – select the most correct answer.

No – alas the Queen of Australia does not select MPs. But the government is not elected by the people either. Individuals votes for MPs. That MP that commands a majority in the House of Representatives is invited by the Governor-General to form a government. While it is correct to say that all (lower house) MPs are elected – the people do not elect the government, nor the PM.

Then it isn’t clear to me what the correct answer to the next question is: Government in Australia is meant to be secular, yet I observe that the Lord’s Prayer (protestant version) is recited in the Parliament. The Parliament is opened each year with a smoking ceremony – this pagan ritual has religious connotations. Then religious laws are passed by the Parliament – try go shopping on easter Friday (to be fair – maybe they mean the federal Parliament only in the test).   To be clear, I have no problem with the smoking ceremony – a bit of pomp and ceremony is a good thing, and it is an inherently Australian custom. The Lord’s Prayer is a bit more problematic. Overall, however, it does suggest there is no correct answer to the question.

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89 Responses to My citizenship might be revoked

  1. Antonin D

    I don’t want no smokin ceremonies

  2. pbw

    You’re trying too hard. What’s “inherently Australian” about a smoking ceremony? What is more “inherently Australian” than saying the Lord’s Prayer (without the doxology) at the opening of a session of our Wetminster-derived Parliament?

  3. pbw

    Oops! I mean to say, with the doxology.

  4. Sinclair Davidson

    What is more “inherently Australian” than saying the Lord’s Prayer (with the doxology) at the opening of a session of our Westminster-derived Parliament?

    Seems to me that the UK has a state religion. The Church of England is the state religion and the UK can’t really claim to have a secular government. According to the question it seems that Australia does claim to have a secular government and I’m suggesting that claim is dubious.

    But yes – I am having fun with this.

  5. testpattern

    ‘I’m having fun with this’

    Yes it’s obviously been designed to keep out the Chinese hitmen.

    Tonga’s pm is worried their chinese are hiring hitmen.

    ‘Many of the Chinese…tend to see countries like Tonga as a stepping stone to other countries including nz and Aust’

    http://thediplomat.com/2017/04/are-there-chinese-hitmen-in-the-kingdom-of-tonga/

    Meanwhile duttons busy keeping Muslims out

  6. Mother Lode

    The Lords’ Prayer, if it means anything in Parliament, would seem to subordinate it to an almighty and just God if you are a believer. It could also serve as a kind of acknowledgement as to how politicians are supposed to act.

    The smoking ceremony, apart from being some quasi-theatrical humbug, is all about parliament assuming a posture of supplication and ever-ballooning obligation to a savage, stone-age culture represented by spivs, opportunists and activists.

    Naturally, it is the latter that our snivelling representatives make a bigger show of adhering to.

  7. H B Bear

    Which of these statements about Australia’s system of government is correct?

    Clearly none of the answers are correct. Liars politicians are selected by the unions based on whoever has the most ghost members after the latest EBA negotiations. Lieboral politicians are selected by Michael Photios, Michael Kroger and their state equivalents. People are then forced to vote for them under threat of a fine.

  8. Stimpson J. Cat

    So when are you getting kicked out and do I need to write a character reference?
    I have done this for shonky people before so I know what I am doing.

  9. Baldrick

    Another actual citizenship test question:

    People can say and write what they think and discuss their ideas with others as they have _______
    A)Freedom of speech
    B)Freedom of expression
    C)Freedom of travel

    … but there is no D)None of the above

  10. John64

    People can say and write what they think and discuss their ideas with others if they have _______
    A)Freedom of speech
    B)Freedom of expression
    C)Freedom of travel

    D) A kitchen table (h/t Gillian Triggs)

  11. iampeter

    Then religious laws are passed by the Parliament – try go shopping on easter Friday

    Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.

    The sad (and scary) thing is that all too many Conservatives wish the answer to that question was “c”.

    But when they call for people who don’t get Western Civilization to be deported they definitely don’t think they fall into that category as well.

  12. Sinclair Davidson

    Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.

    Good point.

  13. Infidel Tiger

    Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.

    No one of legal age is forbidden from marriage in Australia.

    Thankfully our current laws forbid freak shows.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    David Leyonhjelm‏Verified account @DavidLeyonhjelm 6h6 hours ago

    David Leyonhjelm Retweeted Geoff Chambers
    I love it when Liberal Democrats policies are adopted. I’ve been writing and speaking about this for several years. http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnists/18c-debate-highlights-the-ethnic-threat-to-free-speech-20170330-gv9n4q

  15. To be clear, I have no problem with the smoking ceremony – a bit of pomp and ceremony is a good thing, and it is an inherently Australian custom.

    Well Doomlord, if you like a bit of pomp and ceremony, then you’d be OK with a tradition much longer and more inherently Australian than the fake smoking ceremony.
    How do you feel about a bunch of truckies wearing blue singlets, stubbies and thongs while smoking Winfields and drinking VBs? They can sing some Cold Chisel songs while leading the dancing parliamentarians into the chamber eh?

  16. Infidel Tiger

    The smoking ceremony is actual High Church Anglicanism. The natives liked it so much they made it their own.

  17. Sinclair Davidson

    How do you feel about a bunch of truckies wearing blue singlets, stubbies and thongs while smoking Winfields and drinking VBs? They can sing some Cold Chisel songs while leading the dancing parliamentarians into the chamber eh?

    That’s in the Aussies values component of the new citizenship test.

  18. Dr Fred Lenin

    So having a lob and paying income tax are not pre requisites for citizenship ? You can live on welfare ,your wife can cheat m on childcare ,you can lie your head off to get citizenship as its no sin to lie to kaffers . Only left infected academic wankers could \ dream up the citizenship racket makes the mafia look like a friendly society. Makes sense dont it ?

  19. cynical1

    Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.

    What?

    Like homos?

    Or 9yr old Muslim girls?

  20. cynical1

    Seems to me that the UK has a state religion. The Church of England is the state religion and the UK can’t really claim to have a secular government. According to the question it seems that Australia does claim to have a secular government and I’m suggesting that claim is dubious.

    What a load of crap.

    Western civilisation was built on Christian belief.

    It holds no power over Government, but is allowed to have an opinion.

    It may not be long in the West before it’s arse to the ground five times a day.

    How’s your boy these days?

    Still ending Ramadan with his besties?

  21. jupes

    The smoking ceremony, apart from being some quasi-theatrical humbug, is all about parliament assuming a posture of supplication and ever-ballooning obligation to a savage, stone-age culture represented by spivs, opportunists and activists.

    Yep.

    Sad but true.

  22. Leo G

    The old problem with multiple choice questions – select the most correct answer.

    Assuming that more than one statement may be correct?
    I think it’s more like selecting the least incorrect answer- something like electing the least disliked candidate as the outcome of preferential voting. (I’m not suggesting that the answers in citizenship tests should be selected in that way)

  23. alexnoaholdmate

    The UK has a state religion. It’s affairs are governed by Parliament, and Parliament HAS made laws respecting the governance of the Church. And not in the distant past either.

    Now, that’s not a big deal today, sure. The Church largely governs itself, Parliament largely respects the principle of the separation of church and state (de facto, if not de jure) and tries to stay out of things. But the principle of Parliamentary supremacy over the Church remains, and could be used if necessary.

    This is forbidden in Australia by section 116 of the Constitution, which – in what is largely a facsimile of the US Bill of Rights – forbids the establishment of a state religion in Australia, as well as restrictions on the worship of religion.

  24. alexnoaholdmate

    I’m not aware of any law that forbids consenting adults from being married in Australia.

    Oh wait – you want to redefine the meaning of marriage so thst it represents something that no culture in history has ever supported until last week.

    At least be honest about what you are arguing for.

  25. Tel

    Seems to me that the UK has a state religion. The Church of England is the state religion and the UK can’t really claim to have a secular government.

    The UK does have a secular government… and the C of E is their secular state religion to go along with that.

  26. alexnoaholdmate

    The smoking ceremony is actual High Church Anglicanism. The natives liked it so much they made it their own.

    I’m at a loss to see how that stuff’s any crazier than modern Anglican beliefs.

    Ask Father Rod of Gosford.

  27. Yohan

    Citizen tests are utterly useless and just a way for right wingers to signal they are ‘doing something’ about cultural intake, when in reality they do nothing.

    Migrant applicants will quickly find out what the correct answers are. Muslims in particular are allowed to lie to unbelievers. Its not like they will admit marrying 12 year old girls is fine.

    The ONLY way to keep out undesirable cultural elements out is to ban migrants from certain religions and countries known to have values incompatible with western liberalism. But this obvious step is one that nobody will acknowledge, instead we get this deluded fantasy.

  28. testpattern

    ‘Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.’

    There is no judaeo christian. Mum married out. When she married dad she had to turn her back on the altar. Breeds good atheists.

  29. Sinclair Davidson

    Western civilisation was built on Christian belief.

    It holds no power over Government, but is allowed to have an opinion.

    Yes – yet how does that negate my point about the question on secular government not having a correct answer?

  30. Roberto

    Easter Friday is the Friday after Easter Sunday. I think you mean Good Friday.

  31. incoherent rambler

    – the people do not elect the government, nor the PM.

    Yeah. Its the CFMEU and the Lib pre-selection committees.

  32. incoherent rambler

    Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.

    It seems that Christianity specifies a secular state.

  33. Fisky

    I don’t believe in a citizenship test in general, it doesn’t prove anything except a migrant’s ability to take the test.

    What we really need is a contract that all migrants are required to sign with Immigration prior to getting PR (ideally, on their first visa – work, student, etc).

    And that contract states clearly that under no circumstances will the recipient commit FGM, support extremist organisations (including Hizb-Ut Tahrir), advocate violence against a section of society (e.g. apostates or non-believers) and so on.

    Because if they sign up to that, you have legal grounds to deport/revoke their visa if they are caught violating the terms of the contract prior to receiving citizenship.

    That’s the path we should be going down – establishing enforceable legal instruments that make deportation easier. Not citizenship tests.

    In addition, we should simply stop setting up consulates in countries we don’t want to take migrants from. There’s probably dozens of such countries out there.

  34. Yohan

    Fisky the only workable solution is your last sentence. You cannot deport people who are already here, and on the path to citizenship, unless they have been convicted for a serious offence.

    Attempting to deny citizenship based on support for extremist organizations, or cultural practice like FGM, gets us into police state territory. And decisions about whether someone should be denied will be based on unfair subjective assessments.

    The only real solution is a discriminatory migration policy. Discrimination based on religion and country of origin. Everyone knows it, everyone pretends otherwise.

  35. Fisky

    Fisky the only workable solution is your last sentence. You cannot deport people who are already here, and on the path to citizenship, unless they have been convicted for a serious offence.

    You can disallow them from progressing to their PR based on having violated the terms of a previous visa application. That’s actually not a biggie.

    I think it’s relatively simple to implement compared to the government’s media stunt.

  36. Fisky

    I’m not saying what I’ve proposed is a fail-safe measure. It’s not. But it is another instrument the government is free to use to throw out people we don’t want.

  37. Barry

    Who says Australia is secular ?

    Where does it say that Australia is secular in the constitution? Or separation of Church and Stste for that matter??

    Answer is….it does not.

    GO THE LORD’s prayer !!

  38. Fisky

    We actually need to establish more offences directly targeting Muslim cultural practices.

    Maybe we can introduce a universal pap smear for every girl who reaches puberty, which is really an FGM check in disguise. We should already have in place a $1,000,000 fine and permanent deregistration from any professional body for doctors who fail to report FGM. Maybe establish a legal avenue for adult children who have received FGM to sue their parents, and a commission (like the HRC) that actively seeks out and sponsors such cases.

  39. Dr Fred Lenin

    Ban migrants holding extreme politically inspired beliefs Islam is not a race its a political belief it contradicts every belief civilised people hold , it is a political entity disguised as a religion . That Mad Bastard Mo was a control freak his followers are no different .

  40. Barry 1963

    Let me see. 1 force children to marry? Not if they’re same sex. 2 cut female genitals? If baby’s head is too big to fit through. 3 strike spouse? If he’s attacking you, defend yourself 4 prohibit girls education? You must put your daughter in the safe schools program.

  41. Notafan

    The cat was suggesting citizenship contracts three years ago.

  42. Leo G

    According to the question it seems that Australia does claim to have a secular government and I’m suggesting that claim is dubious.

    The 1846 doctrine of Secularism is that morality should be based on the well-being of people in the present life, without regard to religious belief or a hereafter. The Australian Parliament does not have explicit powers to make laws for the peace, order and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to religious belief, so there is no constitutional basis for such a secular government claim.

    Moreover the Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia humbly relied on the blessing of Almighty God (ie a theistic diety) and was explicitly enacted with the advice and consent of the Lord Spiritual. The Parliament could not enact laws directly regulating religious belief without thereby creating a paradox (of the Russell variety).

    Even if the claim was intended merely to ensure parliamentarians did not belonging to a religious order or were not bound by religious vows, the same paradox would be created.

  43. Tel

    You cannot deport people who are already here, and on the path to citizenship, unless they have been convicted for a serious offence.

    Something serious like sticking a knife into a little girl for example? That would be serious enough, right?

    Attempting to deny citizenship based on support for extremist organizations, or cultural practice like FGM, gets us into police state territory.

    Look buddy, eating albinos is a cultural practice, but you can’t do it in Australia.

    Burning witches is a cultural practice, but you can’t do that either.

    Stoning women who sleep around is right there in the Bible, but that’s also out I’m afraid.

    Just because it’s a “cultural practice” doesn’t mean Jack if it’s also a bloody nasty thing to do and totally illegal. Is this a difficult concept?

  44. Arky

    Stop saying problematic.
    Meaningless.

  45. Boambee John

    Fisky at 1822

    IIRC, teachers and medical personnel are already legally required to report all cases of suspected child abuse to the police.

    Perhaps a few prosecutions there might encourager les autres?

  46. Tintarella di Luna

    IIRC, teachers and medical personnel are already legally required to report all cases of suspected child abuse to the police.

    Perhaps a few prosecutions there might encourager les autres?

    The mandatory reporting is a farce, well at least in NSW it is because if the mandatory reporters don’t report NOTHING HAPPENS

  47. candy

    A clear dog whistle by the Liberals, for the benefit of Ms Hanson’s supporters.

    To get Mr Turnbull’s Newspoll figures up. So it will probably will, given the ever present danger from Islamic extremists, areas of difficult assimilation, local crime in some suburbs, housing shortage.

    The questions are silly and kind of degrading, to my mind. I don’t know why we can’t look at immigration numbers, Australia’s population, what is appropriate, through the usual community/parliamentary processes.

  48. iampeter

    Western civilisation was built on Christian belief.

    I think this is one of the worst myths floating around today. Western civilization comes from ancient Greece and Rome, it has nothing to do with Christianity.

    Western civilizations key characteristics are reason in philosophy, individualism in ethics, which in turn leads to free and capitalist-like societies that prosper as a result.

    Christianity’s key characteristics are mysticism in philosophy, collectivism in ethics, which in turn leads to ruin and death.

    Greece gave us western civilization, Christianity gave us the Dark Ages and later Communism and Fascism.

  49. Leigh Lowe

    Q 45 :- Angora goats are best used for:-
    (a) Meat;
    (b) Wool;
    (c) Platonic companionship;
    (d) Gratuitous sex;
    (e) All of the above

  50. Boambee John

    candy at 1914

    IIRC this was done in the 1990s in a Parliamentary report on Australia’s Carrying Capacity. I think that the inarticulate polymath Barry Jones led the charge for limits to Australia’s population growth.

    The Slime were against increasing immigration at that time and broadly supported the recommendations. The Liars gave token support, but under Keating were all for multi culti.

    These days they are all for importing welfare based voteherds while reducing agriculture output and energy availability (well at least for the plebs, they need access to reliable power so they can keep us plebs under control).

  51. Leo G

    Western civilization comes from ancient Greece and Rome, it has nothing to do with Christianity.

    Western Civilisation refers directly to the civilisation in present day Europe and in societies elsewhere with a dominant influence by present or historical European civilisation, which is not exclusively derived from ancient Greece and Rome.

  52. C.L.

    To be clear, I have no problem with the smoking ceremony – a bit of pomp and ceremony is a good thing, and it is an inherently Australian custom.

    You’re talking about tobacco smoking, right?
    Because the Aboriginal smoking ceremony was invented, like, 25 years ago.

  53. .

    Barry
    #2359599, posted on April 20, 2017 at 6:21 pm
    Who says Australia is secular ?

    Where does it say that Australia is secular in the constitution? Or separation of Church and Stste for that matter??

    Answer is….it does not.

    GO THE LORD’s prayer !!

    Please read section 116, you ignorant douchebag.

  54. C.L.

    116:

    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

    There is no law imposing the Lord’s Prayer.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Because the Aboriginal smoking ceremony was invented, like, 25 years ago.

    IIRC, the “welcome to country” was invented by Ernie Dingo, in the mid 1970’s, but I’d be interested in any references to the “smoking ceremony” being a recent invention.

  56. Roger

    Or try getting married in a non-Judaeo/Christian, approved relationship.

    Good point.

    I suggest you speak to your rabbi, Sinc.

  57. testpattern

    ‘Western civilisation’

    Ffs how many times do i have to explain to u lot there is no western civilisation. Nor islamic civilisation. There is one central civilisation. Stop with the false binaries already. David Wilkinson-

    http://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1130&context=ccr

  58. Sinclair Davidson

    I suggest you speak to your rabbi, Sinc.

    I prefer not to. It’s always “do one more mitzvah Sinclair”. Do you keep the commandments Sinclair? No, you’re not supposed to eat bacon cheeseburgers. No chance you can ever eat a kosher hot cross bun.

  59. Snoopy

    The solution is simple.

    One must attend a public citizenship ceremony to be granted citizenship. At the citizenship ceremony applicants must dress appropriately. For men, Speedos. For women, Wicked Weasel bikinis.

    Problem solved.

  60. Roger

    It’s always “do one more mitzvah Sinclair”.

    Interesting. How do you know when you’ve done enough good deeds?

    But if salvation were by works and not grace, I would think running the Cat would be very meritorious mitzvah.

  61. Sinclair Davidson

    How do you know when you’ve done enough good deeds?

    When your good deeds outweigh the bad deeds. 🙁

  62. Rebel with cause

    It’s not clear what the point of these stupid questions is anyway. Usually stupid questions about whether someone is a terrorist, Nazi or criminal (such as asked on US visa application forms) are there so the government has immediate justification to deport down the track if the person is found to have lied.

    But in this case we are talking about granting citizenship and the Australian Government has said nothing about cancelling citizenships on the basis of false answers.

    So the test asks inane questions that serve no legal purpose. At best you could argue it is a moron filter, but then why not just have an IQ test for citizenship that would provide superior and more meaningful results?

  63. .

    C.L.
    #2359688, posted on April 20, 2017 at 8:03 pm
    116:

    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

    There is no law imposing the Lord’s Prayer.

    Exactly. There is no law broken when the PM wishes you a merry christmas either.

  64. But in this case we are talking about granting citizenship and the Australian Government has said nothing about cancelling citizenships on the basis of false answers.

    Recent under-the-counter advice to me from Immigration was that citizenship obtained by deception, or during deception, is liable to be cancelled.
    When I sounded a bit sceptical & pointed out that as far I can see the Dept never even waggles a finger at someone who has broken every condition of their visas, the response was a most emphatic “Oh yessiree, citizenship which has been obtained can be rescinded – the only people who cannot have their citizenship revoked are those who were born citizens – and I assure you sir, the circumstances you are enquiring about is quite likely to result in citizenship being cancelled”.

    My doubts remain – Immi has never taken any action whatsoever against even the most blatant & repeated breaches.

  65. Fisky

    Game, set, match. The LDP announces that it supports the citizenship test. All Libertarians must fall in line at once!

    Liberal Democrats‏ @LibDemAus 12h12 hours ago
    More
    The Govt has finally copied our ideas on citizenship. Now if only they would borrow our ideas about fixing the budget. #auspol

  66. .

    Fisk

    The ALS had one guy that told the rest of us (mostly LDP) that there were only 26 libertarians in Australia.

    I think a civics test for voting is of greater importance.

  67. Leo G

    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for … prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, …

    Power to make laws prohibiting the free exercise of any religion belongs to the legislatures of the States.

  68. Yohan

    Just because it’s a “cultural practice” doesn’t mean Jack if it’s also a bloody nasty thing to do and totally illegal. Is this a difficult concept?

    Your missing the point. It’s not just people that carry out the act, its those who culturally support it. We don’t want people to migrate who support actions opposed to liberal values. It’s the cultural support that GIVES RISE to the actions occurring in the first place.

    How is a citizen test going to stop cultural support for FGM, terrorism or beating of wives? The people applying for citizenship will just lie to get in. And then to clean up the cultural mess we require more spying, more violations of liberty, and an ever more omnipotent police state, all so cucks like Sinc and the LNP can say they weren’t racist.

  69. ned

    In ancient Israel, there was a national priesthood, which was assumed to be the primary agency of cultural assimilation for immigrants. This is why immigrants were allowed to become Israelites through circumcision. Political citizenship followed in three generations for Egyptians and Edomites, and in ten generations for Moabites and Ammonites. Confession, circumcision, and Passover were the initial means of assimilation. That is, the assimilation process began with religion. The same outlook long prevailed in the West, with the Christian church serving as the priesthood. The church was the primary means of cultural assimilation.

    https://mises.org/library/sanctuary-society-and-its-enemies-0

  70. Chris M

    So what is your problem with the Lords prayer? Or was that included just as a throw away comment typical of garden variety God-haters?

  71. Yohan

    Here is some polling of Muslim cultural attitudes. Remember these people are citizens of their host Western countries, and in most cases 2nd and 3rd generation.

    What Citizen test was ever going to stop this demographic from having these attitudes and beliefs?

    40% of British Muslims want Shariah law.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

    1/5 British Muslims sympathize with the 7/7 terrorist attack.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510866/Poll-reveals-40pc-of-Muslims-want-sharia-law-in-UK.html

    65% of European Muslims believe that Shariah law is more important than the law of the country they reside in.
    https://www.wzb.eu/sites/default/files/u6/koopmans_englisch_ed.pdf

    28% of British Muslims would like for Britain to become a fundamentalist Islamic state.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

    68% of British Muslims support criminalizing criticism of Islam.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

    3 out of 4 British Muslims support criminalizing drawings of Mohammed.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

    Only 3% of British Muslims support free speech.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/

    0/500 British Muslims believe that homosexuality is morally acceptable.
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

    38% of Muslims believe 9/11 was partially or wholly justified.
    http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/just-like-us-really

    62% of Canadian Muslims want some form of Shariah law.
    http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada

    85% of rapists in Sweden were non-Swedish immigrants.
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

  72. Sinclair Davidson

    I have no problem with the Lords prayer or religion either. While personally an atheist I went to a religious school and I have sent all my children to religious schools.

    The recitation of the Lords prayer in the Parliament is a violation of the constitution.

  73. Yohan

    There was a poll done in France straight after the Bataclan theater massacre that showed 13% support for the act among French muslims.

    If people actually saw the polling and data it would put to bed the nonsense argument that because only small % of people carry out terror attacks, therefore everything is ok and we shouldn’t discriminate based on their religion.

    Yes its true only a tiny % carry out the act, but what about the cultural support that led to it? You could just as well argue the Nazi’s are actually okay, because only a tiny % ran the camps and did any of the killings. Right? See how that works?

  74. .

    You could just as well argue the Nazi’s are actually okay, because only a tiny % ran the camps and did any of the killings. Right? See how that works?

    But that’s not actually true.

  75. Yohan

    You not going to try and tell us that most of Germany in the 1940’s ( 80 million+) was working in the death camps are you Dot?

    Only the tiniest fraction of that population wan engaged in non combat killings and genocide.

    The analogy holds.

  76. .

    Only the tiniest fraction of that population wan engaged in non combat killings and genocide.

    Good luck with that. The SS and Gestapo forced the Wehrmacht soldiers to participate in mass killings until it was industrialised.

    Your analogy is shit.

  77. hzhousewife

    While personally an atheist I went to a religious school and I have sent all my children to religious schools.

    Why, Sinc?

  78. struth

    This thread proves a couple of points.
    History was not taught well enough.
    Iampeter and testes definitely on drugs.
    That level of dumb requires chemical enhancement.

  79. Combine Dave

    Why not an Islamic school?

  80. Stimpson J. Cat

    Christianity gave us the Dark Ages and later Communism and Fascism.

    You muppet.
    I say this for your own good.

  81. Antonin D

    If The Lord’s Prayer should go, it could be replaced temporarily with the chant
    ‘Immigration is stealing the Australian dream’ (Infidel Tiger)
    and yes, acknowledged that it could be over-the-top, but rhetoric can always be toned down at some later date.

    Immigration is The Problem

  82. struth

    To be clear, I have no problem with the smoking ceremony – a bit of pomp and ceremony is a good thing, and it is an inherently Australian custom

    Some immigrants really do need to bone up on the country they lob in.

  83. Roger

    While personally an atheist I went to a religious school and I have sent all my children to religious schools.

    Good Lord!

    I know of ethnically J e w i s h atheists but this is the first time I’ve heard of an atheist convert to Judaism who remains an atheist!

    Sinc, I suggest you really need to talk to your rabbi.

  84. Dr Fred Lenin

    Most Germans knew bad things happened in concentrstion camps ,perhaps not everything but enough to have a great desire not to end up in one . A bit like 18c ,with fatal consequences . Fascists always have laws to stop criticism of the regime we had giliards finkelsteen ,and bromberg who shut Bolt up it goes with the ambition of extremism ,you sould expect it from an unreconstrusted communist fascost like giliard , What surprised me was the number of Jews supporting it ,do they never learn ? your lot are next cab off the rank when the rightists are eliminated .

  85. Combine Dave

    To be clear, I have no problem with the smoking ceremony – a bit of pomp and ceremony is a good thing, and it is an inherently Australian custom

    The very finest of blog trolling!

  86. john malpas

    It may well be that the immigrants are there to replace you, not to become like you.

  87. Julian the deplorable

    MP not the PM, selects the members of the NSW parliament. Michael Photios that is!

  88. Makka

    Meanwhile duttons busy keeping Muslims out

    Doing the Lord’s work.

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