Marching for science?

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Send in the clowns! A nice commentary by Roger Franklin.

Raining on the parade, a gory (sorry) history of the great Modern Myth of Looming Environmental Catastrophe.

The environmentalist strand began in 1972, with the UN Conference on the Human Environment in Stockholm. Olof Palme, the controversial Swedish socialist prime minister, was host. Maurice Strong, who will appear repeatedly in what follows, was secretary general. The conference produced a Declaration and an Action Plan; but, perhaps more importantly, it led to the creation of the UN Environment Programme, with Strong as its first director.

And the rest is history.

A lengthy rejoinder to many of the myths that are getting the folk into the streets tomorrow.

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37 Responses to Marching for science?

  1. Up The Workers!

    “March for Science”?

    Would that be the science of Einstein and Julius Sumner Miller: “Why is it so?”?

    Or would that be the fairy-tale bovine excrement cranked out by the A.L.P. and the Brown Movement?

    Whether the weather be wet,
    Or whether the weather be not;
    Whether the weather be cold ,
    Or whether the weather be hot;
    We’ll weather the weather
    Whatever the weather:
    The Greenies can like it or not!

  2. Nerblnob

    Let’s hope there’s a blackout and the trains don’t run. That might teach them something about science.

  3. egg_

    “March for Mad Scientists”?

  4. cui bono

    Any spots left for the eugenicists?

  5. Zyconoclast

    3 out of 4 listed in the Quadrant article are women.
    Who says they are under represented in sciency things?

  6. egg_

    3 out of 4 listed in the Quadrant article are women.
    Who says they are under represented in sciency things?

    How was the Frigid Feminists Antarctic get together?

  7. Oh come on

    My only comment is that the conclusion of areff’s piece contains a grievous insult to the generally unremarkable legacy of the generally harmless Harold Holt.

    For a once-powerful politician to be regarded in hindsight as unremarkable and harmless is high praise indeed, and is not to be scoffed at. Wouldn’t we be that much better off if all of our political luminaries past and present could be considered thusly.

  8. mizaris

    “We want a future where Indigenous knowledge’s (sic) are the driving force behind science, technology and digital innovation as our science (sic) are 80,000 years old and built one (sic) sustainable practices and that knowledge is priceless but we need to reform the STEM education to be more reflective of our sciences and knowledge systems and also the community wants and needs.”

    Good God!!!!! Is this the standard of written “English” to which this man wants indigenous children to aspire???

    Luke Briscoe – co-founder of Indigi Lab, an organisation established to provide education, training and opportunities for Indigenous communities in science, technology and innovation.

    Perhaps he could arrange English tuition for himself, and perhaps then he might be educated enough to understand that the weather isn’t going to be changed by him traipsing around Sydney blathering ineffectual memes. If he thinks that’s going to work he’s still intellectually living in the stone age.

  9. [email protected]

    Now we know. Science is composed of unexpected weather without a large enough government handout.

  10. struth

    There’s not a scientist amongst them.

    Seriously.

    There’s not.

  11. classical_hero

    Shouldn’t we be dead if they were right?

  12. Up The Workers!

    “Shouldn’t we be dead if they were right?”

    Hold on to your horses there, classical hero, the Musbyterian religious friends of the A.L.P. (Allah’s Local Party) and the Brown Movement, are working on that as we speak.

  13. Mark M

    Is there parking for my car?

  14. incoherent rambler

    “March for Science”?

    Idiots.
    Tis April already.

  15. H B Bear

    Is John Hewson this most laughable public figure in Australia? Kaitlyn Jenner with a wang.

  16. cohenite

    Hewson got prime time air space on abc this morning; he vomited up the 97% meme and was not asked about his skin in the game with interests in renewables. And so it goes.

  17. Rtp

    Cat: Institutionalised science is group thinking rubbish with bureaucrats feathering their own nests and making up catastrophic predictions to enforce compliance and we are right to question the “consensus”.

    Cat: Vaccinations are absolutely perfect and wonderful because government and corporate scientists say so and without them we would have a complete catastrophe so anti vaxxers are deranged conspiracy theorists.

    Libertarians are going to look very stupid in a generation’s time for siding with institutionalised “science” over facts and logic – a belief that has completely destroyed our children’s health. So too will most other groups but libertarians should have known better.

  18. JMH

    A quick trip to WUWT (no link) will inform you as to why Anthony Watts and his dog, Kenji, have pulled out of one of these extravaganzas in the US.

  19. min

    I have organised for Dr Howard Brady to visit Melbourne for the week 15 th to 19th May to talk on the climate debate? He states that the satellite measurements of sea level do not tally with site measurements and also debunks the models. I hope to organise an evening talk in Hawtorn East ( quite near Bunnings) probably Thirsday 18 th. Any Cats interested?

  20. True Aussie

    Any spots left for the eugenicists?

    Everyone at the conference is a eugenicist. They know european genetics are superior which is why they will only move to other countries full of europeans and why they believe non europeans are disadvantaged because they don’y live around europeans so they should all move to countries full of europeans. Even the ‘race doesn’t exist’ crowd on the Cat prefers to live around those descended from europeans.

  21. struth

    Cat: Institutionalised science is group thinking rubbish with bureaucrats feathering their own nests and making up catastrophic predictions to enforce compliance and we are right to question the “consensus”.

    Cat: Vaccinations are absolutely perfect and wonderful because government and corporate scientists say so and without them we would have a complete catastrophe so anti vaxxers are deranged conspiracy theorists.

    Wrong.

    We should question both, and definitely question incentives.
    The facts are easily varifyable regards vaccination.
    How many smallpox and polio victims around today?

    Prove global warming.

    Go…………………………….

  22. greggg

    Correlation does not equal causation. Less crowded housing, better nutrition and sanitation are the big reasons for the decline in smallpox and polio.
    Regardless of the effectiveness of vaccines (and they do vary) the issue is the harm that is caused to some.

  23. rtp

    Struth you don’t understand epidemiology. If you did you would realize that every “fact” we are told is actually just a manifestation of doctor beliefs.

    Imagine someone comes up with a theory that smoking causes lung cancer. Now the theory is novel but it appears to be possible enough such that, say, half of all doctors now believe it.

    So what happens? Well from that point on that group if doctors will forever be on the lookout for lung cancer *if their patient smokes*. They will be keener to suspect and test for this condition in smovers than in non smokers.

    So a few years later, epidemiologists collect the data and run a regression and look and behold! rates of smoking are heavily correlated with lung cancer! So now the belief has been manifest as “fact” because that is the nature of epidemiology.

    Because many diseases present similarly doctors use other non symptom factors to differentially diagnose. Now this all makes perfect sense for the doctor – in their mind it improves the accuracy of their diagnosis so they believe it is good medical practice. But obviously (well not obviously unfortunately but truly) it renders *all* the data worthless. For all we know the correlation is just a self fulfilling prophecy.

    Now, do you need special assistance to work out where I am going with this?

    Doctors believe vaccines work (genuinely but wrongly) so they believe vaccinated patients are far less susceptible so those who buy into the vaccine paradigm are heavily prejudiced against diagnosing the condition if the patient is vaccinated.

    So every *fact* you have ever been shown on this issue is worthless. A self fulfilling prophecy.

    The diseases appear to have fallen because doctors are differentially diagnosing them – effectively renaming them. The only valid way of determining if vaccines have worked is by looking at overall data for health – disability rates, chronic disease, health care reliance etc.

    And on those metrics every vaccine has been a catastrophic failure.

  24. egg_

    The Concerned Scientists can always board Elon Musk’s B-Ark for Mars.

  25. duncanm

    Today a person I consider a typical “scientist” (CSIRO, patents, real-world applicable mining tech type research that actually has benefits for Australia. The stuff that used to be the bread and butter of government funded research) mused that he should probably be at the march instead of where he was.

    Quote (me): ” What is that about? It sounds like marching for the round-earth society”

    He said he didn’t know.. suspected it was just an anti-Turnbull (of all people!) movement. I suspect I missed the irony in his original statement. Even off-campus, the real scientists need to be careful with their words.

  26. struth

    rtp.
    I get exactly what you are saying, but I am not going by anything doctors say about vaccination.
    I am going by my own eyes.

    Look up Polio in Australia in the nineteen fifties, until they invented a vaccine.
    I see a distinct lack of wheelchairs with kids in them, don’t you?
    There are many other examples that I don’t need to listen to anyone about.
    I can see it with my own eyes.
    Doctors have got diets and all sorts of things wrong and still are.
    I am not the person you should be questioning regards cynicism.

    I haven’t noticed the world warming, and even if it is warming, cooling, staying the same, or on a trajectory to destruct next week, prove it.

    I see with my own eyes, the money on offer for science to come up with the correct results.
    You are a conspiracy theorist about vaccines, but a believer in the religion of climate change.

    Fair enough.

    I ‘m the cynical bugger looking at the proof I can see for myself, and questioning it all.

    Your smart arse first comment was complete bullshit spoken with pompous stupidity.
    I saw that with my own eyes too.
    I didn’t take anyone’s advice on it.

  27. egg_

    Even off-campus, the real scientists need to be careful with their words.

    Too bad when High Priest Robyn 100m Williams passes.

  28. rtp

    Ummm struth.

    Rates of paralysis have *increased* since the polio vaccine. So too the rate of people in modern day iron lungs – positive pressure ventilators.

    What people remember are the newspaper articles whipping people into a frenzy over polio. The number of people in the US at the height of the so called epidemic paralysed with polio was around 1 in 15000 per year. A very small number. And today, the rate of paralysis from disease is around 1 in 120.

    There are plenty of people in wheelchairs and other mobility aids today. Our minds just don’t click with that being associated as polio.

  29. rtp

    By the way, I think climate change is abject nonsense.

  30. Sydney Boy

    Oh look, Meryl Dorey is spamming the cat with the user name rtp. Go away, Meryl.

  31. .

    Rates of paralysis have *increased* since the polio vaccine. So too the rate of people in modern day iron lungs – positive pressure ventilators.

    Fuck off you lying shit.

    …and no, AVN is not a reliable source.

    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs114/en/

    1 in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis.

    Unless more than 1 in 200 people are vaccinated become paralysed, you are spreading utter bullshit which is very dangerous.

  32. duncanm

    Ummm struth.

    Rates of paralysis have *increased* since the polio vaccine. So too the rate of people in modern day iron lungs – positive pressure ventilators.

    what absolute rot.

    Point to some data – and no, don’t included CPAP type machines for sleep apnea. They don’t count.

  33. Leo G

    Even off-campus, the real scientists need to be careful with their words.

    Many probably recall Zallinger’s famous “March of Progress” drawing from the 1960s which represented 25 million years of human evolution by depicting 15 individuals from different stages lined up in a march from left to right.
    The March for Science seems to be hurrying in the opposite direction.

  34. Andrew

    So too the rate of people in modern day iron lungs – positive pressure ventilators.

    Point to some data – and no, don’t included CPAP type machines for sleep apnea. They don’t count.

    FMD

  35. Rtp

    here you go guys:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206817678372895&set=a.1750128025376.2087895.1004117169&type=3&theater (before you say “but this is just a facebook site” it uses the following WHO data)
    extranet.who.int/polis/public/CaseCount.aspx and http://www.who.int/bulletin/archives/78(3)321.pdf (see data for total AFP in India and other developing countries in 1996 and again in 2014) as well as http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v18n6/v18n6p20.pdf and http://www.census.gov/people/disability/ publications/sipp2010.html (Table A-4) (for disability rates). And http://www.christopherreeve.org/site/c.mtKZKgMWKwG/b.5184189/k.5587/Paralysis_Facts__Figures.htm (Around one in 50 Americans have some paralysis and around 40 per cent of those cases are due to disease). You can compare that to this number of polio paralysis cases (vastly lower) before the vaccine http://www.post-polio.org/ir-usa.html

    As for iron lungs well, current use of ventilators (what used to be iron lungs) is at least 8 times as common as before the polio vaccine..

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23963122

    From the above we can see that, today, there are around 3 people in a mechanical ventilator in every ICU in the US.

    Apparently there are nearly 6000 hospitals in the US (I assume practically every one has an ICU) so that gives around 20,000 people in ventilators in any one time.

    In short, adjusting for population, people are around 8 times more likely to be in ventilator today than they were in an iron lung before the polio vaccine (there were 1200 at the so-called height of the polio epidemic: Source: Smithsonian).

    Unless more than 1 in 200 people are vaccinated become paralysed, you are spreading utter bullshit which is very dangerous.

    I’m sure that made a lot more sense in your head than before you typed it out.

    As you can see, around 1 in 120 Americans is paralysed by disease (1 in 50 overall). I dare say they aren’t all paralysed by vaccines (or the polio vaccine) but then the point being argued isn’t whether the polio vaccine caused paralysis but whether it prevents it.

    You’re not very bright (hence the belief in this 200 year old superstition) so you failed to pick up on this distinction.

  36. Rtp

    It truly is quite extraordinary the willful blindness on this issue – particularly by my fellow libertarians.

    Nothing else matters. Literally nothing.

    Every other issue you prognosticate over is of essentially no consequence. Our children are f**ked. Completely and utterly f**ked because of these disgusting concoctions. Go and spend a few days in a classroom or Sunday school.

    Almost every kid has some neurological condition, severe anaphylaxis, behavioural disorders, obesity or some auto immune condition. And when us parents of fully unvaxed kids ask the government to provide the evidence that unvaxed kids are a burden on society they refuse to release this data because they know perfectly well that unvaxed kids virtually never get sick and this data will lead to mass riots.

    How exactly do you propose that our economy will support such a generation? Many won’t be able to work much at all and those that do will spend so much of their income on their own health problems they won’t be able to prop up everybody else.

    You only have to look at health spending trends since the widespread use of vaccines per GDP (they were stable before that) to see what destruction these vile poisons have done. They will ruin the economy. They will end civilisation.

    And all you guys get upset about is 18f***kingC.

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