Know thine enemy

There is something so lacking in resolve among the supposed right side of the political spectrum that I am at a loss to understand how to get others to see what is right before their eyes. The left knows its own. They can tell from the phrases they all use, their uniformity of perspective on every issue, their inability to reason and make sense of a contrary argument, that they are part of that side of the political world. Comments on my post on John Brennan dealing with Guess who was “a supporter of the American Communist Party at the height of the Cold War” has led me to put up this post as a response.

The first of these comments is just empty rhetoric from some Democrat/Hillary troll (however he might deny it) and is hardly worth a moment’s thought. But given that I had been on the left in my youth, one of the many things I have learned is that the most perfect dye-marker of someone who no longer has those views is that they never leave anyone in doubt about the ways their political beliefs have changed by their unrelenting criticisms of the left. Brennan has never said a word to indicate he has changed his political beliefs and was appointed by Obama! If you think he was ideologically a different man in 2013 than he was in 1976, when he could not even bring himself to vote for Jimmy Carter for heaven’s sake, you really ought to rethink these things again.

This comment is purely incoherent:

You can’t have it both ways Kates. On one hand you are complaining that a pinko ran the CIA. On the other you defend Trump’s assertions that Putin’s Russia is no worse than the USA! Make up your mind (if that’s at all possible).

These others, however, make a valid point, I suppose, but seem to be merely a preference to do nothing even as a three-alarm fire is raging right before them. Those asking that we investigate further whether the beliefs that John Brennan hold have changed in a more benign direction are, I’m afraid, forms of rhetorical junk. What genuine point do they make unless they have some reason to think that if we spent time and effort looking more closely at Brennan’s current views something else might turn up?

Christopher Hitchens was a Trotskyist around the same time.

Steve do you agree with what you thought in 1976?

The traffic from left to right is very thin. With no exception I can think of, all of the people I associated with in my student days have not changed their politics in any way other than to follow whatever the modern fashion might be. To remain friends, we just have to stay off certain topics, which is all right since I see them only every year or so at the most. I have a friend from my university days who went on to become Vice-President of a major Canadian insurance company, but when he retired he immediately went back to overtly expressing the political beliefs of his (and my) youth, beginning his instant return to the far left by reading every Chomsky book he could find. No doubt almost every corporate boardroom has imbeciles just like him. There is no country that would not be turned into Venezuela if these people had their way. They are as unable to understand the workings of a free market as they are to understand how hydrogen and oxygen turn into water.

If after eight years you still want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, and John Brennan along with him, I cannot think what can be done to make you see how you are playing into the hands of the left assuming you are not actually part of the left already. And to be quite honest, I am anyway unable to distinguish as a matter of practical politics most of them from these leftist loons, although I am willing to hear in what way I may be wrong.

And having written the above, I have now come across this: Where is the Republican attack machine? It is directed at the impending shutdown of the American government when Congress refuses to pass a spending bill, but this is the serious point that has much wider implications:

Democrats are always so much better at spinning their nonsense than Republicans are. They whine, attack, and rally the troops every time there’s a big battle to be fought, while Republicans think somehow people will come around to their point of view. And Democrats do it in an organized fashion guided by a well thought out, long-term plan that nevertheless seems spontaneous. Republicans focus solely on today’s news cycle and think they can win the PR war via President Trump’s tweets.

It is in part because they have no widespread media vehicles to express their views. It is in part because most people are addicted to other people’s money. It is in part because whatever the label, most people are socialists of one kind or another with no deep personal attachments either to individual freedom or a market economy. And the same may be said for many of the politicians representing the parties of the so-called right.

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52 Responses to Know thine enemy

  1. WolfmanOz

    Excellent analysis Mr. Keats . . . depressing though.

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    The test is very simple: if someone was appointed by Barack Obama you immediately know that person is an Alinskyist lefty activist. That is the type of person that Obama sought for all appointments. Ability came second to ideological purity.

    Brennan and Comey were both appointed by Obama. Brennan has stepped down. So should Comey.

  3. Stephen Sasse

    It is not just a lack of resolve – it is is a lack of knowledge as to what conservative libertarianism is, why it has been so extraordinarily successful and the likely consequences of supplanting it with one or another form of socialism. As you point out in the last paragraph, take our own nominally centre-right Commonwealth Government – in the space of this week alone they are going to intervene further in energy markets, reduce house pricing without affecting property owners’ wealth, and further regulate the labour market by limiting offshore workers…. depressing indeed

  4. Tel

    Putin is not a communist, nor is Russia as a whole heading back towards communism… quite the opposite they are heading the other way.

  5. C.L.

    Of course Brennan is a communist traitor.
    That’s not even up for debate.

  6. danger mouse

    Yep. We’re screwed.

  7. New Chum

    I think there is a Republican out there among this lot Steve.
    http://www.c3headlines.com/2016/11/skeptics-win-trumpgop-landslide-provides-firm-foundation-for-empirical-science-policies-to-triumph.html
    from Tony Heller website, Tony was in Australia last year with Malcolm Roberts and Tim Ball.

  8. Speedbox

    “Putin is not a communist, nor is Russia as a whole heading back towards communism… quite the opposite they are heading the other way”.

    Absolutely. Other than a small rump who yearn for the old days of Soviet rule, modern Russia more closely resembles a free market economy that is somewhat “out of control”. The drive and desire to make money and build a better present and future for oneself is pervasive throughout.

    Unfortunately, a number of Russians have been economically left behind and as the Russian system of social security is limited and relatively harsh, the gulf between those who can make money and those who cannot, widens. Generally, those who seek a return to the old Soviet days almost always come from the latter group.

    To be fair, Russia does have a number of significant internal problems that impede her progress and the various sanctions act as a handbrake on Russian businesses and economy. But, nobody should think that Russia is some dark place occupied by dour potato farmers swilling vodka.

  9. iampeter

    Hey Steve, I meant to post this in your Communist Party supporter thread but I’ll add it here, that if you’re interested there’s a really good book on the subject of just how totally America’s government has been compromised even from the time of Stalin, by the Communist movement and it’s supporters. It’s called American Betrayal by Diana West and well worth a read.

    In terms of knowing your enemy though, I think it might pay to make a post defining what you actually think the difference between right wing and left wing is. The title of your personal blog makes me think you’re a right winger but your position on immigration and support for Trump for reasons other than “not Hillary” make me think otherwise.

    Lots of political commentators and posters throw lots of terms around like “leftie”, “right winger”, “rights” but I find 99% don’t really know what they mean.

  10. iampeter said –
    “It’s called American Betrayal by Diana West and well worth a read.”

    agree a great book – I did check and Brennan is not mentioned in the index.

  11. Louis Hissink

    all of the people I associated with in my student days have not changed their politics in any way other

    As a famous French political noted, if you are not a socialist when you are young you have no heart, and if you remain a socialist when old, you have no brain.

  12. Boyfromtottenham

    The so-called Right needs to understand that at least two generations in the West have been taught ( how to think like Lefties at school and university by Lefties, and therefore most cannot grasp libertarian / free enterprise concepts. It will take much time a huge effort to reverse this, and at the moment I cannot see anyone on the Right (except maybe some in Trump’s group) with the nous to understand this, let alone act on it. But hope springs eternal…

  13. OneWorldGovernment

    Know thine enemy
    Posted on 10:04 am, April 22, 2017 by Steve Kates

    There is something so lacking in resolve among the supposed right side of the political spectrum that I am at a loss to understand how to get others to see what is right before their eyes.

    To instance the furphy of 97% of ‘scientists’, I actually would argue that at any given time there are only about 3% of people understand that making a profit is what advances humanity.

    And I’m talking a profit made by adding value.

    Not ‘profits’ made by virtue of restrictive licenses or social justice diktats.

    What we don’t have is an open forum where folk can arrive at answers to questions like,
    – How do we provide the cheapest electricity in the world;
    – How do we structure society to minimize taxation;
    -How do we get the ‘dead hand’ of government, at all levels, off the back of the innovators and profit oriented folk;
    – How many ‘public servants’ do we need;
    – whatever.

    I see some warriors fighting the good fight but they seem in isolation.

  14. max

    As a former leftist I like these words by another former leftist starting to wake up, not that everything here is right.

    I sit in one of the dives
    On Fifty-second Street
    Uncertain and afraid
    As the clever hopes expire
    Of a low dishonest decade;
    Waves of anger and fear
    Circulate over the bright
    And darkened lands of the earth,
    Obsessing our private lives;
    The unmentionable odour of death
    Offends the September night.

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    Find what huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    Exiled Thucydides knew
    All that a speech can say
    About Democracy,
    And what dictators do,
    The elderly rubbish they talk
    To an apathetic grave;
    Analysed all in his book,
    The enlightenment driven away,
    The habit-forming pain,
    Mismanagement and grief:
    We must suffer them all again.

    Into this neutral air
    Where blind skyscrapers use
    Their full height to proclaim
    The strength of Collective Man,
    Each language pours its vain
    Competitive excuse:
    But who can live for long
    In an euphoric dream;
    Out of the mirror they stare,
    Imperialism’s face
    And the international wrong.

    Faces along the bar
    Cling to their average day:
    The lights must never go out,
    The music must always play,
    All the conventions conspire
    To make this fort assume
    The furniture of home;
    Lest we should see where we are,
    Lost in a haunted wood,
    Children afraid of the night
    Who have never been happy or good.

    The windiest militant trash
    Important Persons shout
    Is not so crude as our wish:
    What mad Nijinsky wrote
    About Diaghilev
    Is true of the normal heart;
    For the error bred in the bone
    Of each woman and each man
    Craves what it cannot have,
    Not universal love
    But to be loved alone.

    From the conservative dark
    Into the ethical life
    The dense commuters come,
    Repeating their morning vow;
    “I
    will
    be true to the wife,
    I’ll concentrate more on my work,”
    And helpless governors wake
    To resume their compulsory game:
    Who can release them now,
    Who can reach the deaf,
    Who can speak for the dumb?

    Defenceless under the night
    Our world in stupor lies;
    Yet, dotted everywhere,
    Ironic points of light
    Flash out wherever the Just
    Exchange their messages:
    May I, composed like them
    Of Eros and of dust,
    Beleaguered by the same
    Negation and despair,
    Show an affirming flame.

  15. max

    I sit in one of the dives
    On Fifty-second Street
    Uncertain and afraid
    As the clever hopes expire
    Of a low dishonest decade;
    Waves of anger and fear
    Circulate over the bright
    And darkened lands of the earth,
    Obsessing our private lives;
    The unmentionable odour of death
    Offends the September night.

    Accurate scholarship can
    Unearth the whole offence
    From Luther until now
    That has driven a culture mad,
    Find what occurred at Linz,
    Find what huge imago made
    A psychopathic god:
    I and the public know
    What all schoolchildren learn,
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return.

    Exiled Thucydides knew
    All that a speech can say
    About Democracy,
    And what dictators do,
    The elderly rubbish they talk
    To an apathetic grave;
    Analysed all in his book,
    The enlightenment driven away,
    The habit-forming pain,
    Mismanagement and grief:
    We must suffer them all again.

    Into this neutral air
    Where blind skyscrapers use
    Their full height to proclaim
    The strength of Collective Man,
    Each language pours its vain
    Competitive excuse:
    But who can live for long
    In an euphoric dream;
    Out of the mirror they stare,
    Imperialism’s face
    And the international wrong.

    Faces along the bar
    Cling to their average day:
    The lights must never go out,
    The music must always play,
    All the conventions conspire
    To make this fort assume
    The furniture of home;
    Lest we should see where we are,
    Lost in a haunted wood,
    Children afraid of the night
    Who have never been happy or good.

    The windiest militant trash
    Important Persons shout
    Is not so crude as our wish:
    What mad Nijinsky wrote
    About Diaghilev
    Is true of the normal heart;
    For the error bred in the bone
    Of each woman and each man
    Craves what it cannot have,
    Not universal love
    But to be loved alone.

    From the conservative dark
    Into the ethical life
    The dense commuters come,
    Repeating their morning vow;
    “I
    will
    be true to the wife,
    I’ll concentrate more on my work,”
    And helpless governors wake
    To resume their compulsory game:
    Who can release them now,
    Who can reach the deaf,
    Who can speak for the dumb?

    Defenceless under the night
    Our world in stupor lies;
    Yet, dotted everywhere,
    Ironic points of light
    Flash out wherever the Just
    Exchange their messages:
    May I, composed like them
    Of Eros and of dust,
    Beleaguered by the same
    Negation and despair,
    Show an affirming flame.

  16. OneWorldGovernment

    Steve,

    Further to my post above.

    97% of people are collectivists and 3% are individualists.

    Not even Tony Abbott could fight the 97% of his own pardee.

  17. jupes

    Of course Brennan is a communist traitor.
    That’s not even up for debate.

    Didn’t Brennan convert to Islam?

  18. jupes

    97% of people are collectivists and 3% are individualists.

    I love the 97% stat.

    It has the ring of authenticity about it.

  19. A Lurker

    Of course Brennan is a communist traitor.
    That’s not even up for debate.

    Didn’t Brennan convert to Islam?

    They are both authoritarian collectivist ideologies – so he just exchanged one hat for another.

  20. John Comnenus

    Brennan seems to have been attracted to every major threat to the US Constitution and dominant culture. How does such a man progress through the ranks under GOP and Dem administrations to get to the point where he can be appointed Director of the CIA? There is something very wrong about his progression through the intelligence community establishment.

  21. Razor

    It seems to me that the leftoids are very aware that their monetry support level – be it employment or benefits – is dependant on the left obtaining and keeping the power to tax and give. Those employed in unionised areas are very organised by virtue of a common workplace and a common union and a common trade union council. Those on benefit at university also have a support structure which ensures that the left message is always poised for opportunity to make public megaphone engagement.
    The public broadcasters are totally captured by the left. Faifax media is captured by the left. Whilst teh general slant of the Australian is centrist slightly right at times, it allows free expression of it’s leftoids.

    Compare that to the right supporter. IPA, Radio and TV jocks, Pauline Hanson etc, Catallaxy files. These are the only potential organising streams that I can think of.
    So the right will only organise for the polls via the few genuine conservative streams but otherwise be voiceless.
    I think it will require quite catastrophic circumstances for massive right wing activity. In the meantime the left will appear to be winning. I think the rise of One Nation signals however that the battle is by no means determined.

  22. a happy little debunker

    Conservatives (if you can call the GOP conservative) tend to assume they have been granted the right to exercise power, after any election win.
    Progressives always assume they have never lost and any temporary setback is an anomaly, that must be fought against.

  23. Jo Smyth

    That’s the difference between republicans/conservatives and democrats/labor. The former have been educated to always respect free speech and listen to others point of view so it is ingrained in their psyche. The latter have only one cause, to do away with former completely. Trump is not a true conservative. He is a total realist and as such he will surely have the measure of Brennan, and anybody else who doesn’t fit. Have patience, he and others will be gone in due course.

  24. Zyconoclast

    Brennan and Comey were both appointed by Obama. Brennan has stepped down. So should Comey.

    Trump should show him the door.

  25. Zyconoclast

    But, nobody should think that Russia is some dark place occupied by dour potato farmers swilling vodka .

    Really?

  26. Zyconoclast

    iampeter said –
    “It’s called American Betrayal by Diana West and well worth a read.”

    agree a great book – I did check and Brennan is not mentioned in the index.

    Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
    and
    Wall Street and FDR

    Both by A.C. Sutton are both instructive and great reading.

  27. ArthurB

    Steve: many thanks for a fine article, which raises some important issues.
    You say that the traffic from left to right is very thin. I would argue that your statement is correct about the present time, but does not apply to the 1930s and 1940s, when there were many intellectuals who were seduced by the appeal of Communism, but later abandoned it and became conservative.
    I would also like to argue that today the traffic from right to left is almost non-existent. Do you agree?
    I feel that at present the Right is at a serious disadvantage, in that it is prepared to debate issues, whereas the Left regards its ideology as a truth which must not, and cannot, be questioned, and feels that it is allowed to harass and intimidate anyone who disagrees; in this respect the Left resembles the Islamists.
    A further problem, at least in Australia, is that the Left has attained almost complete control over the media. On TV, the commercial channels avoid politics, and their ABC is no more than an outlet for peddling Green-Left propaganda. The consequence is that most people inform themselves about politics via social media. My Internet home page is ninemsn, which runs stuff from Twitter, Facebook and sites such as mamamia, all very much of the Left. There are frequent links to articles which say that Trump is insane, and needs to be impeached, or otherwise removed. I have never seen any links to the Cat, or to Quadrant Online.

  28. Tim Neilson

    In terms of knowing your enemy though, I think it might pay to make a post defining what you actually think the difference between right wing and left wing is.

    I think there’s a “Liberty Quote” which pops up occasionally that is premised on there being three, not two, relevant ideologies.

    It goes something like:
    “Progressives want government to be your doting mother. Conservatives want government to be your stern father. Libertarians want government to treat you as an adult.”

    I think that that presents the “progressives” in far too benign a way. And, as someone who is more a conservative than a libertarian, I’d like to find a better analogy for us. But I think that the basic premise of the quote is accurate.

  29. one old bruce

    America demanded the end of the British Empire, that’s when all the trouble started.

    Pandora’s box unleashed upon the world, and American foreign policy asked us all to go along with it, because ‘progress’. Conservative voices were drowned in the postwar surge of new technology, dazzling but of temporary worth, like everything 20th Century. Throwaway culture.

    Restore the Empire, Kipling’s ‘white man’s burden’ and then there is hope of getting this mess under control. All else is piffle and musical chairs.

  30. herodotus

    The Age of Reason is over.

  31. Tel

    But, nobody should think that Russia is some dark place occupied by dour potato farmers swilling vodka .

    Really?

    Russian yoga. If you have a bad back it can be very beneficial.

  32. testpattern

    ‘The age of reason is over’

    And I can pinpoint when it ended. When Kates promoted his Canadian buddy hellyer, the former defence minister who not only believes ufos r visiting us but there r at least four types of aliens walking among us, govts of course r covering up and should release alien tech to help us with climate change.

  33. Hugh

    As a Catholic, can I note there’s an equally parallel failure of nerve on the part of Catholic bishops/priests re. the increasingly weird and wild utterances of Pope Francis. On both the secular and sacred side, stuff that was taken for granted a decade or so back is now either summarily rejected or only very defensively supported. (E.g. Marriage is between a man and a woman.) My strong conviction is that Western Society – Catholic, Protestant, secular – is staring at oblivion, and my Church is, instutionally speaking, doing f-all to prevent that. Certainly I don’t see local priests and bishops putting their finger in the dyke.

  34. This left and right wing is nonsense. H*tler who was supposed to be a far right person was a socialist very like St*lin. They made an agreed noting that their philosophies were similar. H’s party was called National Socialist party. In Australia the Greens are almost totalitarians and communists, Labor is avowed socialists with a tendency of dictator control by unions. Turnbull and the liberal party are federal centralists opposed to democracy and have an inclination for dictorial control.
    In USA the “democrats” (who are opposed to democracy, and wanted control by by the elite behind the Clintons) and the “republican GOP have similar but not so blatant aims. In Europe nearly all the countries are socialists with small groups of elite make laws to prevent the people having a say. Then look at China , Russia, most countries in South America. There are few countries which are democratic.
    The dividing line should be not left and right wing but socialism and democratic free enterprise.
    Switzerland is the most democratic country but even there the Greens and socialist parties are telling lies to encourage the public to allow more socialist laws.
    PHON has a policy of citizen initiated referenda but Pauline has some dictatorial ideas. Democracy can work if politicians, government and others of influence do not tell lies. There needs to be legislation that if anyone tells a lie they will be jailed something lie making everyone sign a statutory declaration or swear in court they will tell to truth and nothing but the truth. Perjury and breaching a statutory declaration is a criminal offense which will lead to jil. (Justice Einfeld was convicted and jailed signing false Statutory declaration and then further lying in court – he should have been jailed for at least 10 years)

  35. Steve Kates

    Testpattern, my friend, you are almost a perfect example of what I am trying to explain. You can relate, if you like, where you think I might have said the earth has been visited by aliens, which of course you cannot. But while you are looking into that, you might at the same time look into Hillary and her own interest in UFOs, as discussed here.

    Known for her grasp of policy, Mrs. Clinton has spoken at length in her presidential campaign on topics as diverse as Alzheimer’s research and military tensions in the South China Sea. But it is her unusual knowledge about extraterrestrials that has struck a small but committed cohort of voters.

    Mrs. Clinton has vowed that barring any threats to national security, she would open up government files on the subject, a shift from President Obama, who typically dismisses the topic as a joke. Her position has elated U.F.O. enthusiasts, who have declared Mrs. Clinton the first “E.T. candidate.”

    “Hillary has embraced this issue with an absolutely unprecedented level of interest in American politics,” said Joseph G. Buchman, who has spent decades calling for government transparency about extraterrestrials.

    That’s from the NYT so it’s probably fake news, but the point really is that whatever beliefs Paul Hellyer may have had, he absolutely nailed it about the problems of open borders and the nature of trade relations in the world in which we live. So which side are you really on when you bring such stuff into the conversation?

  36. Irreversible

    Incoherent:)
    Steve: you are a total airhead. But just to be blatantly clear: If Brennan was in fact a communist he was in the same bed as your pal the Manchurian.

  37. Antonin D

    Can we expect that of local priests, Hugh?
    Bishops, yes. They’re supposed to be the leaders. I wish they’d discarded their costumes long ago. And shown some nerve. Hope it’s not ‘oblivion’ for us.

  38. Rev. Archibald

    Very intelligent people make awful teachers.
    Once a bright person understands something he finds it difficult to see that anyone else might struggle with it, and is therefore keen to move onto more challenging and interesting problems.
    I think it is a similar phenomenon with the left – right thing.
    The left, being a bit thick, will constantly restate over and over again the simplest basis of their philosophy, such that it is.
    The right gets bored with the fundamentals of their own world view, and somehow thinks that in understanding the basics these no longer need restating, but are somehow taken for granted.
    I notice this with my lefty friends. They never tire of repeating the same basic shit over and over again. The punch lines to their little anecdotes are obvious and trite, but they work themselves up to them and state them triumphantly every time.
    They benefit hugely from this because a simple message stated over and over again recruits many more people than a complex reality no matter how well the complex reality is explained.

  39. Fess

    I’d be a similar age to you Steve, and I’ve made the journey from ‘left’ to ‘right’ as I would be judged by most around me. As a teenager in the 1960’s and 1970’s I was angry at the sanctimony and hypocrisy of the religious conservatives and at their frequent refusal to discuss issues: instead just taking the moral high ground and using ad hominem attacks labeling people as ‘immoral’ or ‘communist’. I saw dogma and not much else.

    The sides seem to have switched. The new morality is political correctness. Environmentalism and hatred of capitalism is expressed as pure dogma. The calm wisdom from an old talk by Milton Friedman has people hissing that he only believes in greed as they quote the slanderous misrepresentations of him and his work by Naomi Klein. I hear invocations of indigenous recognition or sustainability and it seems like the pure ritual of my youth when people genuflected in church and made the sign of the cross. The Human Rights Commission is McCarthyism reincarnate. ‘Centre-left’ politicians support movements that openly state an intention to annihilate every Jew on the planet – outdoing the Nazis. I doubt that anyone could whip up a mob to lynch blacks in the USA now (thank God) but I am pretty sure a mob could be whipped up to lynch a white policeman. I just wait for people to wake up to it, or for the fashion to change.

    When I was young the naturally conservative kids were very religious and talked of God saving the earth from evil. Naturally conservative kids now talk of achieving ‘equality’ and ‘sustainability’ and saving the earth from the evil of carbon. The big difference is that Christianity (no I’m not religious) had taught us that everyone was equal, to turn the other cheek, not to condemn others, God will save us all, and it inspired much of the enlightenment. The new sanctimonious moralists tell us we are all different and that they, and the government, will save us. Insofar as ‘left’ and ‘right’ ever meant anything they seem to have swapped places in so many ways – as I think I already said.

    I have no idea where this will go over the coming years, but I share your frustration.

  40. mark

    Collectivists act collectively, and subsume themselves to prevailing groupthink.
    Individualists act individually. Thinking and acting individually has less direct political effect than groupthink, though is more powerful in the long term.

    From Tim Neilson above:
    “Progressives want government to be your doting mother.
    Conservatives want government to be your stern father.
    Libertarians want government to treat you as an adult.”

    In the end adults speak eye to eye with other adults, and that respect is a huge advantage the left does not have.

  41. Defender of the faith

    Kates has an unnerving capacity to jam his foot all the way down his own theist. This item might be his exemplar.

  42. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Fear not, Steve, it may be a long trek over from the left to the centre right, but Hairy and I have made it and we will never go back. Like you, we have friends and colleagues who must be treated tenderly, handled with care, due to their juvenile modes of political thought, having never removed the embedded ideology of their Gramscian teachers from their heads. As Sydneysiders, they live in bubbles in Balmain and the Inner West and occasionally we find them creeping near to us in the upper Eastern Suburbs, and more often, to the slightly less expensive executive housing along the North Shore line – schools are so important, they finally decide. But even then they don’t change; they want to ‘improve’ the schools and bring ‘café culture’ to these old conservative suburbs. And they are very, very green. Greenism gives them a cause, and an ‘out’. Not everyone can have what they have, because climate change, but they will do their bit, vote for higher electricity prices in the name of green religious purity and take in as many immigrants as they can as long as they settle west of Parramatta.

    They need a popular politician to persuade them to another way. The way of freedom.
    No-one there yet. Café culture is still green and socialist. Only when that changes, and dinner parties get different sorts of discussions going, will Australia stop going downhill. A New Liberal Party would help, one that was truly liberal (and I don’t mean libertarian; that has flaky edges and won’t fly).

    Perhaps the change really will come from the proletariat; the natives out in the Western suburbs are restless. They are broke, jobless and have welfare Muzzies living next door. They will listen to a Trump, just as they did in America, and café culture will be horrified.

  43. Fulcrum

    The enemy is Alinsky,

    He died many years ago but to his followers truth and lies are the same thing.

  44. Ellen of Tasmania

    Mark Steyn has an interesting discussion with Andrew Klavan on this –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLY1p0kx2xM

    Klavan’s main point is that conservatives tend to deal with facts and figures, while the left tell stories. It’s the narrative that moves people’s emotions, and as most people do not learn the laws of logic these days they tend to react emotionally, rather than thoughtfully.

    Someone, somewhere said something like, ‘You can’t reason someone out of a position they were never reasoned into.’

    I know Scott Adams talks a lot about this, but the take-away point from Steyn & Klavan is – how can we better tell the story?

  45. test pattern

    Steve. You don’t understand the Left and would have lost the Cold War. Luckily we had the US with their clear vision of whom the enemy was.

    The Left is Marx. Atheist. To defeat Marx in Afghanistan the US paid Islam, an inherently rightwing religion. They defeated the Soviets and won the Cold War, no thanks to you. And I shouldn’t think they needed Hellyer’s alien technology either.

    Just for you I’ll quote from a doc I kept from a previous career.

    ‘We must question the amount of liberty offered by Islamic fundamentalists, blind adherence to the law of the Koran, with all that entails, including the compulsory veiling of women and their relegation to the position of mens’ chattels.’

    So far so good, this could have been written by any number of colonel blimps for the Australian letters page, or even by the blimpettes on the adjacent oped. But wait..

    ‘Prior to land reform 11 million peasants were released from their debts
    320 000 previously landless peasants have been given land
    One million Afghans have learned how to read and write and another 500 000 are attending literacy courses
    The Soviets are once again supporting the Afghans’ struggle..’ and so on and so forth.

    And

    ‘As in the six counties, religion is a weapon used by reactionaries to divide ppl, hinder progressive movements and disguise imperialist intrigue.’

    Yes, if you thought I’m quoting from an IRA doc ie The Left, you would be correct. This is what the true Left thinks of Islam. You would not have made a very good cold-warrior Steve. The US used the Right [Islam] to smash the Left in Afghanistan.

    And everything Hellyer ever wrote is suspect. How on earth – or any other planetary abode of Hellyer’s aliens – can you even try to justify the ramblings of a madman. Did nobody teach you that
    you should never believe your own propaganda? Oh death where is thy sting.

  46. It is in part because most people are addicted to other people’s money

    Steve, I think this is perhaps the most serious impediment in this country to turning the ship of state in the right ( in every way!) direction.

    The attempt to cut welfare spending, and indeed public spending of various sectors, is what led to the torching of the Abbott government by the public.

    Government largesse is now so entrenched that even a good conservative government would have difficulty in re-educating the public to self sufficiency.

    It is the saddest aspect of modern Australia.

  47. Defender of the faith

    It is most amusing to read the vacuous acceptance of Steve Kates’ barely intelligible froth. Everything is left. Except that which Steve says is right. Unless it is left but right. Like Trump. Does anyone ask: what are steve’s credentials? How about a life is the public service? Years and years as a lobbyist. Now in the tertiary trough. Goodness.

  48. PoliticoNT

    You could equally ask the question ‘where is the Coalition’s attack machine?’

    I mean, the fucking script writes itself. I’d start with Safe Schools/Respectful Relationships and make the Labor/Greens relationship with SS/RR linked permanently with kiddie fiddling, grey overcoats and pages that stick together. Throw in the state/territory education bureaucracies as well. All you need is footage of a family/friends bbq get-together with one set of parents sent away because, well, you vote Labor & Greens don’t you?, and well, you know, we really wouldn’t want people like you being near our children. Etc.

    Then onwards to energy now becoming a luxury. And the trouble business has employing our young because of ridiculous industrial relations, government regulations. And on. And on.

    Fuck me, it’s not hard. Only, it seems it is. The Coalition are a bunch of pussies. No heart, no balls, no courage. Couldn’t spell out a policy if their lives depended on it, and certainly would never get their hands properly dirty in a political fight. Meanwhile, their enemies….

  49. Putin is not a communist, nor is Russia as a whole heading back towards communism… quite the opposite they are heading the other way.

    Tel, what’s the difference between crony capitalism and crony socialism? SFA. This is nothing more than a sophisticated version of justifying suppression.

    Tel, stop believing their shit.

  50. Solitarius

    Steve,

    The fightback is coming, albeit belatedly.

    The UC Berkeley campus seems to be the flashpoint. Last week violent totalitarian leftists (Antifa) ran for their lives after being confronted by a right wing coalition of thugs bussed in from elsewhere. The police stood back and let it all happen. Here are some links –

    https://youtu.be/-ZVbXhHXkdc

    https://youtu.be/ZTtTk9Uzovs

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