Open Forum: April 22, 2017

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  1. Baldrick

    3rd Pioneer Battalion A.I.F

    Peeler, Walter (1887–1968)
    Peeler enlisted as a private in the Australian Imperial Force on 17 February 1916 and embarked with the machine-gun section of the 3rd Pioneer Battalion in June; he was promoted lance corporal on 6 November in France and was slightly wounded by shell-fire during the battle of Messines on 7 June 1917. Peeler was one of twenty-four Lewis-gunners of the 3rd Pioneers who were attached for anti-aircraft duties to the 37th Battalion for the assault on 4 October on Broodseinde Ridge, Belgium. He joined in the first wave, leading an attack against three enemy posts which were sniping the advancing Australians and then turned on a machine-gun post. He accounted for thirty of the enemy and for his fearlessness and fine example was awarded the Victoria Cross. Peeler remarked in 1966: ‘I never saw the faces of those I killed. They were just men in an enemy uniform. It was simply them or me’.
    During World War II Peeler, understating his age by fourteen years, enlisted in the 2nd A.I.F. in 1940 and saw service in the Syrian campaign as company quartermaster sergeant of ‘D’ Company, 2/2nd Pioneer Battalion. In June 1941 he led a patrol to recover four Australian wounded. His battalion was part of a small Australian force hastily landed in Java in February 1942 to assist the Dutch against the rapid Japanese advance; after the island’s surrender to the Japanese he survived a long period on the Burma Railway. He was one of only three World War I V.C. winners then serving overseas. He returned to Australia in October 1945 to learn that his son Donald had been killed on Bougainville in December 1944 while serving with the 15th Battalion.

  2. Megan

    That’s outright greedy, Fisky. I want my participation medal higher up the order.

  3. Zyconoclast

    It’s got night from me.
    And it’s goodnight from him.

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    If England doesn’t f*k off the EU then we should declare England an enemy country.

  5. classical_hero

    This is a rather quiet start to this thread.

  6. johanna

    Apparently, Sydney has a “museum community” and a “cultural precinct.” Who knew?

    Representatives of Sydney’s museum community say selling and relocating the Powerhouse Museum from the CBD to the west will kill the cultural precinct.

    The New South Wales Government has been looking into moving the iconic arts and science museum from its current location in Ultimo to the banks of the Parramatta River.

    The cultural precinct of Ultimo just happens to be right next door to the ABC, but it’s a fair way from the Opera House. And this recent custom of calling any bunch of self-interested lobbyists a “community” is irritating and a perversion of language.

    OMG, some of us might have to go west of Annandale to work. It’s barbaric, I tells ya!

    And, I loved this bit:

    “It’s mad to think that a city like Paris would close the Louvre to open the Pompidou Centre,” said federal member for Sydney, Tanya Plibersek.

    Yep, the Powerhouse Museum is just like the Louvre, if you stand back 500m and squint, and above all, don’t go inside …

  7. hzhousewife

    This is a rather quiet start to this thread.

    That’s because some people are at Bunnings,,,,,

  8. struth

    A museum community must be those mummies on display.
    A cultural precinct surely is a racist bigotty bigot area .
    As Australia is not allowed to be one it must be decided on size.
    Small cultural precincts are fine, and to be funded and promoted, just large ones aren’t.

  9. Shy Ted

    Why oh why does my computer default to msn.com on opening? Today’ leading headline “Donald Trump has ‘dangerous mental illness’, say psychiatry experts at Yale conference”. Lines include, “James Gilligan, a psychiatrist and professor at New York University, told the conference he had worked some of the “most dangerous people in society”, including murderers and rapists — but that he was convinced by the “dangerousness” of Mr Trump.” I wonder if he has his own island. And “I’ve worked with murderers and rapists. I can recognise dangerousness from a mile away. You don’t have to be an expert on dangerousness or spend fifty years studying it like I have in order to know how dangerous this man is.” And that’s what we call in the profession “lack of insight”.

  10. incoherent rambler

    This is a rather quiet start to this thread.

    That’s because some people are at Bunnings,,,,,

    Some people are tools?

  11. srr

    SERB OFFICIALS WARN OF ANOTHER WAR IN THE BALKANS

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/21/serb-officials-warn-another-war-balkans/
    ___________________________

    And just make sure to NOT mention Islam or Muslims, at all … coz … fuck the gates of Vienna! They weren’t opened up like the gates, doors and windows of Yugoslavia that began the current, constantly rising flood of Muslim scum throughout Western Europe … 😡

  12. srr

    Tommy Robinson‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 4h4 hours ago

    🇵🇰Pakistan

    ➡️ Police arrest “Blasphemer”

    😡Violent mob surrounds police station, demands Police to hand over…
    http://fb.me/1pSM0MRNx

  13. srr

    Sharia in the State of Delaware
    Understanding the Threat

    Apr 13, 2017
    Islamic Prayer opens April 5th State Legislative session in Delaware. Blatant Civilization Jihad
    cues being put forth in both the spoken and unspoken language, and no one noticed…or cared.

  14. johanna

    “James Gilligan, a psychiatrist and professor at New York University, told the conference he had worked some of the “most dangerous people in society”, including murderers and rapists — but that he was convinced by the “dangerousness” of Mr Trump.” I wonder if he has his own island. And “I’ve worked with murderers and rapists. I can recognise dangerousness from a mile away.

    Gilligan should be struck off.

    It is a serious breach of their code of ethics to (a) “diagnose” somebody you have never treated or even met, and (b) to spout your fake diagnosis in public.

    No doubt he will instead get a prestigious job in the Ivy League and lots of research grants.

  15. val majkus

    Bunnings was fairly quiet last night, there was just Armadillo’s skinny white horse checking out the garden section and me in lights …

  16. calli

    Check out the buckets and mops aisle, val. You’ll find Leigh under the pile of Chux.

  17. C.L.

    Long-time Olympic “family” cult leader John Coates – leader of the corrupt AOC for 27 years (paying himself $760,000 per annum) – will not survive the latest revelations about his North Korean-like behaviour. Go, Danni Roche.

  18. srr

    Milo to launch a “free speech week” in Berserkeley!

    If not supported by the campus, promises to make it a MONTH
    to include a Bay Area friendly tent city!
    Let the battle of the bay commence!
    (press release inside!)CINCO DE MILO (self.The_Donald)
    submitted an hour ago by gunnm001CA – announcement

    21/4/2017 [email protected] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE In light of recent controversies, I am planning a huge multi-day event called MILO’S FREE SPEECH WEEK in Berkeley later this year.

    We will hold talks and rallies and throw massive parties, all in the name of free expression and the First Amendment. All will be welcome, regardless of political affiliation. Free speech has never been more under threat in America — especially at the supposed home of the free speech movement. I will bring activists, writers, artists, politicians, YouTubers, veterans and drag queens from across the ideological spectrum to lecture, march, and party.

    MILO’S FREE SPEECH WEEK will include events on the UC Berkeley campus. We will stand united against the “progressive” Left. We will loudly reject the venomous hectoring and moral hypocrisy of social justice warriors. Free speech belongs to everyone — not just the spoilt brats of the academy. During MILO’S FREE SPEECH WEEK, we will give out a new free speech prize — the Mario Savio Award — to the person we believe has done most to protect free expression at UC Berkeley and its surrounding area.

    Each day will be dedicated to a different enemy of free speech, including feminism, Black Lives Matter and Islam. If UC Berkeley does not actively assist us in the planning and execution of this event, we will extend festivities to an entire month. We will establish a tent city on Sproul Plaza protesting the university’s total dereliction of its duty and encourage students at other universities to follow suit. I intend to return Berkeley to its rightful place as the home of free speech — whether university administrators and violent far-left antifa thugs like it or not. – MILO

    P.S., I will be releasing further details of my grand comeback tour in the coming few weeks, including information about a special CINCO DE MILO event on 5/5.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/66rs1e/milo_to_launch_a_free_speech_week_in_berserkeley/

  19. Carpe Jugulum

    Good morning troops

  20. Dr Fred Lenin

    Kim nuking San Francisco ,as one guy remarked ,”that will get rid of a lot of poofters “,not nice at all . One up the nose for the leftist seccessionistas,,who would respond if you were not part of Trumps USA ? The movie actors guild could invade North Korea it would be a shoo in ,we have all seen how good they are in movies . Anyway why San Francisco ,? Why not Hollywood ,now that would cause irrerable damage to the decromats , open borderist , u.n. Communists and islamofascists ,the huge amount of suportes they have there .hopefully soros ,gore ,tge oobummers and clintons would be on sunst bde , when it went BANG !

  21. srr

    Sargon of Akkad‏ @Sargon_of_Akkad 4h4 hours ago
    Replying to @Lauren_Southern

    Daddy must be so proud of his little girl.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C980x_TU0AEz2A7.jpg

  22. johanna

    Under our post-modernist justice system, it’s not the crime that matters, but whether you are a “carer:”

    In total, between August 2012 and August 2013 she made 344 Medicare rebate claims on 206 occasions, pocketing $62,163.10.

    Judge Gary Long SC told Crimmin her case was on the margin of incarceration.

    “Your offending is correctly described as calculated, elaborate and sustained, it was a determined exhibition of gross dishonesty,” he said.

    “There was substantial gain that you obtained and therefore lost to the Commonweath and that occurred in a way that tends to undermine the integrity and confidence in the social security system.”

    But Judge Long said he would not send her to jail after taking into account her position as a fulltime carer to her youngest son.

    In other words, if she had no kids or they were grown up, she would have gone to jail. This ranks right along the cultural ignorance excuse, or the indigeneous disadvantage excuse, or the “I was abused as a child” excuse as part of the panoply of injustice which characterises sentencing today.

    It seems that jail, in the minds of many judges, is primarily reserved for people without family responsibilities whose parents weren’t mean to them and who had access to school, sport and video games while growing up.

  23. srr

    Milo Yiannopoulos Plots Comeback at UC Berkeley

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/milo-yiannopoulos-plots-comeback-at-uc-berkeley-996399
    ______________

    … mmm … “plots”, hey … is that like ‘the gunpowder plot‘, only with Milo’s organisational skills, i.e. successful … will this burning of UC Berkeley finally get done properly, as in, razed to the ground … ?

    Well, where else do The Hollywood Reporter intend to take people’s minds with a headline like that?
    Surely not cherishing the right to simple, honest, non-fire staring free speech … 🙄

  24. A South African man who, posing as a feminist activist, convinced the Huffington Post to publish an article calling for white males to have their voting rights removed has now lost his job after HuffPo editors tracked him down and confronted him at his workplace.

    The gullibles.

  25. candy

    Gilligan should be struck off.

    It is weird how this very important doctor claims that research shows the psychiatric interview is not much good at diagnosing patients.
    So, he must be saying a diagnosis can be made without talking to the patient at all, just reading other doctor’s notes or reading the Internet.
    Scary stuff.

  26. Makka

    Islamic Prayer opens April 5th State Legislative session in Delaware. Blatant Civilization Jihad cues being put forth in both the spoken and unspoken language, and no one noticed…or cared.

    Delaware, home of the LLC and an aggressively used legit tax haven in the US. Used by multitudes of wealthy Gulf Arabs. No surprise Islam is given a free pass here with all that Islamic cash sloshing about oiling up the wheels.

  27. srr

    /pol/ News Network‏ @polNewsNet 2h2 hours ago

    Deranged Leftists beg ISIS to assassinate President Trump.

    Why does Twitter allow this sort of hate speech, but censor Right-Wing accounts?
    https://twitter.com/polNewsNet/status/855507364203696128
    ________________

    Because the right wing, “cunningly plot”, while the Left simply come straight out and do the violence they publicly call for? Who knows; making sense is as socially unacceptable as doing justice, and, being socially acceptable is everything man!

  28. Tom

    From Dover’s reading list, March for Politics, Scientism and Scidolatry:

    The upcoming March for Science — check with your nearest purple-haired activist for directions and times — is to no one’s surprise turning out to be one of those standard-issue paroxysms of “outrage,” grief, and angst directed against … well, this time against those who are against science.

    Which is a group comprised of exactly no one.

    Since there is no opposition to science, protesting against those who are against science ensures the March will be a success. Nothing burns as brightly as a Straw Man.

    RTWT. Beaut fun.

  29. Antonin D

    I didn’t know of Tommy Robinson till I starting reading here. And Lizzie/Libby has been explained, sort of. If it’s a copycat, then at least Yulia T is good-looking and has exceptionally beautiful braided hair.

    Immigration is The Problem. It has to be sorted

  30. Antonin D

    hmm ‘starting/started’

  31. Stimpson J. Cat

    Milo to launch a “free speech week” in Berserkeley!

    This will be incredible.
    Just amazingly yuuuge.

  32. johanna

    You’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh:

    A strange new condition seems to be afflicting many of her journalist friends in Washington DC, says Lissa Muscatine, Hillary Clinton’s long-time friend, former aide and chief speech writer.

    “One friend’s doctor jokingly called it Trumporrhoea – they [the reporters] are all exhausted, coming down with insomnia, gastrointestinal disorders, these physiological reactions – it’s not just the one thing that happens in a day, it’s five things a day, every time you look up there is another controversy or tweet that has gone out, some other insult or some other regulation that’s been overturned – it’s hard for people in other countries to fully grasp just how insane it is.”

    Hahahahahaha!

    Poor little snowflakes.

    It reminds me of a series of articles a couple of years ago about climate “scientists” and their fellow agitators. As their balloon slowly deflated, they started emoting about how they couldn’t sleep, they were stressed out and depressed and broke out in hives, because the ignorant masses couldn’t grasp the primacy of their position at the top of the totem pole of Saving the Planet. Truly, you wouldn’t let these people drive a bus – they were too mentally unstable.

    Like the emotional toddlers they are, the Left don’t cope with frustration very well.

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    And Lizzie/Libby has been explained, sort of. If it’s a copycat, then at least Yulia T is good-looking and has exceptionally beautiful braided hair.

    There is no sort of.
    There is no if its.
    Don’t be a f*cking muppet,
    #notimeforsockpuppets

  34. dopey

    Just not the same without the Leak cartoon.

  35. srr

    Yes, immigration is a major problem, but don’t let education off the hook. That people like Peterson still work at all, let alone in education, is a miracle against the intention and directed power of, cradle to grave, global academia, hell bent on (and almost there), teaching the world’s people of all ages to open every door and window to every evil –

    Jordan Peterson – Antisocial, Cynical Kids
    Bite-sized Philosophy

  36. Andrew

    sdfc
    #2360858, posted on April 21, 2017 at 11:43 pm
    So JC is now on board with Trump’s protectionist tendencies.

    Disappointing.

    FMD, there’s STILL people who don’t get it. You can peer deep into his soul and see what his “tendencies” are?

    Here’s what really happened:
    1) Make something up – call the Chineeeeeze currency manipulators (which carries a 45% tariff potential penalty)
    2) Blow up some irrelevant shit in Syria while having dinner with Xi
    3) Announce that if Xi is too weak to deal with Kim, you will sort it out.
    4) Hint that you are softening on the whole currency issue.

    Xi has now sanctioned DPRK! No POTUS has EVER got the Chineeeeeeze to cooperate. And unlike Crimton’s $2bn this cost NOTHING.

  37. Makka

    Just not the same without the Leak cartoon.

    It’s a very big hole.

  38. Gab

    Just not the same without the Leak cartoon.

    Yup. When I received his book, it took me three days before I could open the package. I miss his cartoons. In this day and age, there is no one that can replace him. No one even comes close to the same universe as he.

  39. john constantine

    The worst sin of their turnfailure is that under the Great Abbottbeast regime, their australian left were actually cannibalising their own bodies with stress and mental burnout.

    The incendiary level of loathing, for Abbott, for the country and themselves would have seen their left flame themselves out for a decade if allowed to keep running.

    Their turnfailure, and his ‘labor without being labor’ tone saved the scum of the very earth from curdling themselves.

  40. srr

    🙂

    FMD, there’s STILL people who don’t get it.

    Andrew, we’ve lived through generations of being deliberately taught through all media/propaganda arms, that such men and such thinking, don’t really exist, never really existed, can’t ever exist and any stories to the contrary are merely lies by the ruling elite patriarchy invented to subdue and control the masses.

    They could and would get it, if they weren’t too scared of being sucked in, and too proud to admit that they already are.

  41. Bruce of Newcastle

    It reminds me of a series of articles a couple of years ago about climate “scientists” and their fellow agitators.

    Speaking of which the March For Science today is shaping up to be very entertaining. Anthony Watts was hoping to go, but has wisely pulled out…the ferals are getting even more feral. His summary this morning of the whole thing is a fun read.

    Why I decided not to take Kenji to the DC ‘March for Science’

    “Flounce For Leftyism” would be a better title. The whole crazy pantheon is on show.

  42. Iran: Group claims regime is ‘in full gear’ on covert work on nuclear weapons
    The White House responded cautiously Friday to claims by an Iranian dissident group alleging that Iran’s clandestine work on a nuclear weapon has continued unabated by the landmark nuclear deal that Tehran finalized with the Obama administration and five other world powers two years ago.

    At a news conference in Washington, members of the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) brandished recent satellite imagery and intelligence purportedly derived from informants inside the Iranian military to bolster their claim that the Islamic Regime is still working covertly on what nuclear experts call weaponization: the final station on the path to nuclear weapons.

  43. val majkus

    Anthony Watts and his dog Kenji are not marching for science cos it’s descended into a free-for-all encompassing just about every social issue there is, he says

    I predict this will descend further into social anarchy, and some Marches will have some violence break out. I don’t want to be anywhere near that if it happens, but more importantly, any message Dr. Roy Spencer and I had intended to convey in a humorous way, will get drowned in a cacophony of social justice garbage that has nothing at all to do with science

  44. johanna

    TheirABC, in keeping with its statutory role of not taking sides on policy issues (ha ha) has been running a series of articles about how awfy the changes to 457-type visas are, like this one:

    Meet the people in your city that could be affected by the Government’s 457 visa changes

    They’re scientists, chefs, technology developers, musicians and many more skilled professionals who work in our cities and contribute to keeping their various industries afloat.

    The Federal Government this week announced it would abolish the 457 visa category and replace it with a two-year and four-year visa scheme with the view that there would be more jobs for local talent.

    The news has many foreign workers across the country nervous and worried about how it may affect their future employment.

    These handful of professionals told the ABC what the abolition of 457 visas means for them.

    Perhaps we should start by allowing in journalists who can write grammatical English. But, I digress.

    We then get sympathetic portraits of clean-cut Western young folks like a geneticist, an orchestral concertmaster, a palaeontologist and a couple of high-end IT types. They are in no danger of being turfed out under the new rules. There’s not a swarthy, illiterate service station attendant, courier or restaurant pot-scrubber among them. But, TheirABC says that they are “nervous and worried.”

    Not that they are taking sides, or anything like that.

  45. val majkus

    Kenji, a spaniel of some sort, looks relieved

  46. srr

    Nick DeSenso Retweeted
    BluRaʎ 🐰‏ @IanPTrait Apr 18

    #Toronto masjid calls for the death of all J e w s & Christians.
    #Canada
    #Islam
    #ThisIsIslam
    #GeneralElection
    #FrenchElection
    #MAGA

    https://twitter.com/IanPTrait/status/854355427139747840

  47. srr

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted
    Marine in English‏ @Marine2017_EN Apr 18
    Marine in English Retweeted Marine Le Pen

    I will expel from France all foreigners who have been found guilty of an offense or of a crime.

  48. john constantine

    Their caliph hussein obama fundementally transformed the world, his ignoble prize being for proliferating the spread of Social Justice Atomics among the House of Kim, the House of Erdogan, the House of the Ayatollahs and the House of Saud.

    Added to mass population movements to transform vast swathes of the middle east, north africa and Southern Europe into a Sardauker producing Salusa Secundus prison planet, their caliph hussein obama has pushed obsolete and deplorable America into a world of America hating soldier-fanatics embedded within Western civilisation and the Social Justice Atomic Defence for Deranged Dictators.

  49. cohenite

    val majkus

    #2360981, posted on April 22, 2017 at 8:49 am

    Kenji, a spaniel of some sort, looks relieved

    Also looks more intelligent than the people who will be marching.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Still at Bunnings.
    I’ve had to move away from the sausage stall over to the nursery section.
    They said that our identifying catch-phrase … “Malcolm Trumble is a potentially great Prime Minister” … is driving away customers.
    PS … the sausage stall is being run by either the First Hawksburn Scout Troop or Hawthorn Queer Theatre Ensemble. Hard to tell. Far too many sausage double-entendres for my liking. Glad to be asked to move to be honest.
    PPS … we need a more credible catch-phrase.

  51. Senile Old Guy

    Through lawyers, Coates did not respond to a question about whether the AOC’s culture tolerated bullying.

    Coates should have been dumped long ago.

    El Presidente Coates gets paid $720,000 a year for a post that in some other countries is honorary and Roche says she would do for $100,000, ploughing the other $600,000 back into sports. Coates’ pay packet has doubled since Sydney 2000, though Australia’s Olympic performance has declined sharply in that span and by one metric in Rio last year was at its lowest ebb since the nadir of Montreal 1976.

    Read that and weep! 3/4 of one million dollars a year!

  52. Bruce of Newcastle

    Kenji, a spaniel of some sort, looks relieved

    Also looks more intelligent than the people who will be marching.

    Well he is a paid up member of the Union of Concerned Scientists:
    Friday Funny – The newest member of the Union of Concerned Scientists

    I decided to put that theory to the test. I am very proud to announce that a member of my family has been accepted into this prestigious organization. With pride, I present new UCS member, Kenji Watts

    Yes, Kenji is our dog. Apparently, the claim is true, all that is required to be a member of the illustrious group of “concerned scientists” is a valid credit card.

    😀

  53. Makka

    What has struck me from reading up about WW1 and Australia’s involvement in it’s various theatres is the immense and enduring impact it had on Australia during that period and for a whole generation after. It’s hard to measure the depth of grief and economic impact of losing so many in a single generation, particularly in rural and regional Australia where many families lost 2 and 3 sons, brothers and fathers, small communities saw many dozens of their youth wiped out. Almost every family effected in some places.

    I remember my first visit to the Kings Park memorial in Perth. I was shocked. During WW1 Perth was not a big place at all. Wall after wall after wall of many thousands of names from the various services. Tens of thousands dead, many tens of thousands injured and disabled. The effect must have been terrible, just terrible yet they managed to endure and move on to help build this wonderful country. One day at a time. It’s hard to get your head around.

  54. val majkus

    Still at Bunnings

    hey Leigh! Missed you! Gotta leave and groom a horse for dressage tomorrow. Leave some chux won’t you

  55. johanna

    val, Kenji is a Japanese something or other, ugly looking thing IMO. But, he is or was until recently a paid up member of the Union of Concerned Scientists. Anthony Watts sent UCS his credit card details and the name “Kenji Watts” and bingo – his dog was a registered Concerned Scientist.

    To add insult to injury, Kenji is a dumb lap dog. Your average kelpie is Einstein in comparison.

  56. struth

    The worst sin of their turnfailure is that under the Great Abbottbeast regime, their australian left were actually cannibalising their own bodies with stress and mental burnout.

    I haven’t stated this for a while, but if we look at history, Abbott was a complete loser.
    I understand Malcom is much worse.
    I’m not arguing that for a second.

    But to contemplate the return of that complete loser is insane.

    Here are the reasons.

    He was not a good opposition leader.
    Face facts.
    The labor party were shooting themselves in the foot and were hated by the Australian people.

    Gillard was totally on the nose, and so was Rudd.
    You could have put Frank Spencer up against them and he would have won.

    Some people talk as if it was all Abbott applying pressure, which is just bullshit.

    They stuffed up because their policies and ingrained criminality and corruption quickly brought the country to it’s knees.
    From spending the surplus to killing people on land (insulation) and sea, Carbon taxes and and live exports……..etc, etc, etc and on and on……………..Labor were killing themselves.
    It had nothing to do with Abbott.
    He just sat and watched his watch.
    All he did was turn up for work and got his name crossed off.

    Then he became Prime Minister.

    Oh he stopped the boats!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, his government and immigration minister did.

    This is not a hard task.
    The alternative is criminally traitorous and murderous behaviour like the previous government.
    The very, very, very least a government should be expected to do, is secure the borders.
    Talk about the bigotry of low expectation.
    So compared to the criminal act against Australia, he decided to not be a criminal.
    Whooppee.

    All, and I mean ALL of the political capital the liberals had from the disaster of the RGR has been totally destroyed by Abbott.
    A half decent liberal party would have seen the Left out of office for fifteen years or so.
    Malcom Turnbull is there because of Abbott.
    He didn’t control him.
    He put him up as a minister.
    He introduced socialist policies and taxation, and really, who the hell knew were he’d gone after the election?
    He disappeared for a year or so.
    He backed down on 18c.
    Whether he could get it through or not doesn’t matter.
    You fight for the principles you stated you had before the election, and you let the people know you are still fighting.
    You argue for it, as is your duty and what the bloody hell politics is all about anyway.

    He took the opposition stance, stating it wouldn’t be good for social cohesion etc.

    He’s a useless snout in the trough and always has been.

    The Liberal party are dead.
    Now will somebody head over to Barnaby’s house with the jumper leads?

  57. Leigh Lowe

    Dr Fred at 7:41.
    Ha, ha.
    White House Advisor: “Mr President! Mr President! North Korea has developed an ICBM which can reach California!”
    President: “Mmmmmmkay. Let me know when they get one that can reach Vegas. Next.”

  58. val majkus

    he is or was until recently a paid up member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

    thanks Johanna, I did know that! Anthony has a sense of humour!

  59. John Comnenus

    In Mandurah for the weekend. Looking forward to the usual cat fights.

    Bring it on

  60. val majkus

    Also looks more intelligent than the people who will be marching

    agreed, cohenite!

  61. Senile Old Guy

    From Roger Franklin’s piece on the march:

    Luke Briscoe – co-founder of Indigi Lab, an organisation established to provide education, training and opportunities for Indigenous communities in science, technology and innovation. From a recent article on the Indiglab.com site, whose chief, Mr Briscoe, will be marching

    We want a future where Indigenous knowledge’s (sic) are the driving force behind science, technology and digital innovation as our science (sic) are 80,000 years old and built one (sic) sustainable practices and that knowledge is priceless but we need to reform the STEM education to be more reflective of our sciences and knowledge systems and also the community wants and needs.”

    Indigenous knowledge in Australia was little beyond the stone age. Indigenous practices were (a) not really sustainable (they drove species extinct), and (b) only sustainable by virtue of the fact that their ‘technology’ was extremely limited.

    Reforming STEM to reflect indigenous knowledges would remove most of the STEM from STEM.

    And what is the ‘community’ here? I want people, especially children, to learn real science, not ideological nonsense.

    Time to go to Bunnings.

  62. struth

    OOOOPS

    Barnaby was meant to be Bernardi.

    Don’t tell anyone.

  63. Snoopy

    But, TheirABC says that they are “nervous and worried.”

    If that is the truth then they should be kicked out. What use to anyone is a stupid geneticist, a stupid orchestral concertmaster, a stupid palaeontologist and a couple of stupid high-end IT types?

  64. Mike of Marion

    Makka
    #2360989, posted on April 22, 2017 at 9:05 am

    My mum was born in 1903 in a town on the wrong side of the Goyder Line in South Australia.

    She was secondary educated at a Catholic School in Adelaide.

    She became a R-7 teacher in a ‘one man school’ (country SA) before she was 18.

    So many men wiped out in WWI.

  65. srr

    It’s a pity he’s still under the programmed compulsion to drop Left/Green words such as “environment” and “capitalist” as if they have any weight at all, because overall this is a good introduction to the greater story being told in, “Children of Men”.

    Like so much of my favourite contemporary art, even it’s makers will say it’s telling a story that pleases the Left/Green, and most tend to receive it such a away, yet I’ll see and hear ‘little’ details (that the makers go to some trouble to include), that are like a, “psst, turn it over”, whispered in the dark from a fellow resistance fighters against the dictators who would crush souls, if it weren’t for all those keen ears and quiet little whispers …

    Children of Men: Don’t Ignore The Background
    Nerdwriter1

  66. Makka

    ALPBC spinning hard that the dead Paris jihadi was a “French national” and a “criminal not a radical”. This despite IS claiming responsibility , finding evidence of the jihadi’s love of Allah, his recent visit to his Islamic homeland and his radicalisation from 14 years interned in Frances Islamicised prison system.

  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    And Lizzie/Libby has been explained, sort of. If it’s a copycat, then at least Yulia T is good-looking and has exceptionally beautiful braided hair.

    Of course it’s an effin’ copycat. Yulia T was maltreated in prison and should be left alone in her grief. In the Cat iteration you are looking at a senile and mentally disturbed old Ukrainian guy called Grigory, with a stalker’s fixation on me, the real Lizzie B, who once won second prize in a beauty contest (not in Monopoly, but IRL). My previous gravatar (now replaced with another I used a few times years ago) was a very lovely colour pic of Faye Wray displaying many of my own beauty queen features, in a similar framing to the Yulia pic. Currently, Faye Wray displays my thoughtful side, which Da Hairy Irish Ape – my own King Kong – also finds quite attractive because there is more to life than a pretty face. 🙂

    For the newbies: Hairy says I can still turn heads and scrub up well, which is good enough for me these days, where I prove my mettle running our family and other animals at Villa Chaos, on the near-foreshores of Sydney’s Eastern harbor, which is quite a contrast to Mt. Druitt where I grew up.

    Grig’s is a snob who hates that.

  68. struth

    I always laugh about “indigenous knowledge”

    Besides being a complete oxymoron, I bet that fat , mostly white turd knows SFA anyway.

    Luke Briscoe, what a wanker.

    That’s all just leftybabble to get funding.

  69. incoherent rambler

    I haven’t stated this for a while, but if we look at history, Abbott was a complete loser.
    I understand Malcom is much worse.
    I’m not arguing that for a second.

    I have no doubt that Lord Laxative, Mick Trumble will be viewed as the worst PM in history. Anyone who hands the next election to Laybaa, must be the worst.
    Yes. We need a catchphrase.

  70. Eyrie

    The AOC should have been disbanded and become a proscribed organisation years ago. Why anyone would want to take part in a corrupt circus like the Olympics is beyond me.

  71. John Comnenus

    Trump seems to be winning big on North Korea. The Chinese don’t need a nuclear armed lunatic on their border. I would imagine that the Chinese will reason that if they de nuclearise the Korean Peninsula:
    -South Korea will adopt a more China friendly policy,
    -the US will wind down its troop numbers in South Korea
    -China’s influence in the region will grow

    That looks like a win win to me. I’m on the lookout for a Chinese backed military coup in North Korea that will lead to a more liberalised and free market North Kore run in a similar manner to China. South Korea and China will jointly invest big to help the North develop.

    Trump will move on to Iran next. Anyone paying attention knows that Putin’s foreign and domestic policy is almost entirely based around fighting the domestic Sunni Islamic threat to Russia. Putin sees it as existential. Therefore he supports the Shia Iran to destabilise as much of the Sunni world as possible. This keeps the Sunni distracted and buys time for Putin to slowly rebuild the Russian population base.

    I suspect Trump will get the support of China to take down the Iranian regime. This will isolate Russia and get all the worst Sunni Arab regimes on side. Once Iran is sorted Trump could well pivot to take down the biggest Sunni terror funders and supporters to unite Russia, Europe and China against the Sunni.

    They are my opinions – not facts – my interpretation of current events and where that might lead us.

  72. Geriatric Mayfly

    Behind the paywall, but something I have long suspected. The gradual removal from programming of music by composers for whom Christianity and liturgy were an inspiration. Masses, chants, oratorios, hymns etc
    some of which reach sublime heights , are best not broadcast. How long before we get caterwaulings from the mosque coming across the airwaves from their ABC?
    ANGELA SHANAHAN
    Some of the greatest music was written for Easter, but you couldn’t hear it on ABC.

  73. Dan Dare

    There’s been a bit of chat here about Walgett.
    Unless you’ve been there before it’s all speculation.
    I doubt he visited the O’Briens or the bore.

    Been There Before …
    Banjo Paterson

    There came a stranger to Walgett town,
    To Walgett town when the sun was low,
    And he carried a thirst that was worth a crown,
    Yet how to quench it he did not know;
    But he thought he might take those yokels down,
    The guileless yokels of Walgett town.
    They made him a bet in a private bar,
    In a private bar when the talk was high,
    And they bet him some pounds no matter how far
    He could pelt a stone, yet he could not shy
    A stone right over the river so brown,
    The Darling river at Walgett town.
    He knew that the river from bank to bank
    Was fifty yards, and he smiled a smile
    As he trundled down, but his hopes they sank
    For there wasn’t a stone within fifty mile;
    For the saltbush plain and the open down
    Produce no quarries in Walgett town.
    The yokels laughed at his hopes o’erthrown,
    And he stood awhile like a man in a dream;
    Then out of his pocket he fetched a stone,
    And pelted it over the silent stream —
    He had been there before: he had wandered down
    On a previous visit to Walgett town.

  74. incoherent rambler

    Makka #2360989, posted on April 22, 2017 at 9:05 am
    What has struck me from reading up about WW1 …

    I have a photo of a 1/2 dozen of a great-grandparents family who did not return from WW1.
    Descendants of another great-grandparents family still mourn the loss of an eldest son.
    Grief can be handed down across generations.

  75. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ALPBC spinning hard that the dead Paris jihadi was a “French national” and a “criminal not a radical”. This despite IS claiming responsibility , finding evidence of the jihadi’s love of Allah, his recent visit to his Islamic homeland and his radicalisation from 14 years interned in Frances Islamicised prison system.

    Just another criminal shootout, eh? Nothing to do with Islam.

    Deliberate obfuscation to the power of eleventy.

  76. johanna

    Lizzie, nobody cares about your “identity theft” drama, or how gorgeous you claim to be, except you.

    You have gone on and on about these topics, which evidently fascinate you, because they are about the most important person in your universe.

    Give it a rest.

  77. Chris

    I remember my first visit to the Kings Park memorial in Perth. I was shocked. During WW1 Perth was not a big place at all. Wall after wall after wall of many thousands of names from the various services. Tens of thousands dead, many tens of thousands injured and disabled. The effect must have been terrible, just terrible yet they managed to endure and move on to help build this wonderful country. One day at a time. It’s hard to get your head around.

    I understand that one WA family in seven lost someone at Gallipolli alone.

  78. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    He had been there before: he had wandered down
    On a previous visit to Walgett town.

    The value of good information.
    Poor old Grigory lost out on that re Walgett.
    That’s a damned good little poem there, btw.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It’s hard to measure the depth of grief and economic impact of losing so many in a single generation, particularly in rural and regional Australia where many families lost 2 and 3 sons, brothers and fathers, small communities saw many dozens of their youth wiped out. Almost every family effected in some places.

    And every man of them volunteered for the A.I.F.

    I could argue that rural Australia never recovered from the First World War, let alone the second shooting match.

  80. Chris

    Lizzie, nobody cares

    I care. I enjoy Lizzie’s writing and her pen-persona is more entertaining than many given column inches in our weekend firelighter pages.
    I also enjoy scrolling past writers I enjoy less, if their offering is unworthy, and yet somehow even the autoscroll writers at the Cat come up with something good from time to time.

  81. John Comnenus

    The Battle of the Nek fought predominantly by the 10th Light Horse was immortalised in the film Gallipoli. Most of the unit was killed or wounded in an area the size of a few tennis courts.

    The 10th Light Horse was raised in the Kimberley and this battle’s losses devastated the male population base of the Kimberley. Many older men and younger women had to leave the area due to a lack of young men. It probably retarded economic growth in that area for generations.

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, nobody cares about your “identity theft” drama, or how gorgeous you claim to be, except you.

    Yep, as expected, with a curious sense of anticipation, right on cue.
    In chimes envy, who calls me ‘nouveau riche’ and ‘bogan’.
    She has no idea about any of this.
    People stand up for themselves on the Cat, Johanna.
    Or hadn’t you noticed, too self-absorbed with your own tropes?

  83. Snoopy

    I hope the changes to 457 visas don’t prevent the ALP from engaging another McTurdman. He was excellent value.

  84. Shy Ted

    After the nutty psychiatrist at Yale, Harvard get in on the act – “The office of BGLTQ Student Life at Harvard University has released a new school-sponsored guide telling students to “fight transphobia” and “get the facts about gender diversity.”
    The guide, which was distributed to students on campus, declares that “there are more than two sexes” and that “gender is fluid and changing,” adding that someone’s gender identity “can be affirmed and/or expressed in many ways,” and can even “change from day to day.”
    Anyway, got to go to work. Now where did I leave my dress?

  85. johanna

    Oh, and been meaning to say, Lizzie, that your narcissism and boasting is at odds with your expressed desire for anonymity. From what you have told us about your first husband, I could find out who he is and who you are quite easily. How many Sydney University medallists in philosophy were there in the relevant time frame? Then, you recently couldn’t help telling us (because you think it makes you look better) that the poor sap who is currently paying your bills wrote for a particular site in its early stages – I won’t repeat the details. Wouldn’t be hard to work that out either.

    It’s sad, but not surprising, that your need to be noticed and thought of as a wonderful person on a blog is more important than protecting the identity of the unfortunate blokes who got tangled up with you.

  86. struth

    And every man of them volunteered for the A.I.F.

    I wonder what they’d say about today’s Australia.
    As a nation, we don’t deserve their sacrifice.
    Disgusting.

    I can’t get the idea of a snag from the car park of Bunnings out of my head.

    I now know how Monty feels about donuts.

  87. Eyrie

    CSIRO aren’t a total waste it seems. They have done some actual science on the debris drift from MH370 and come up with a 25000 sq km location that hasn’t been searched.
    Why do I get the impression though that the authorities do not want to find the aircraft?
    Did the airworthiness directive on the crew emergency oxygen system get done?

  88. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    They are my opinions – not facts – my interpretation of current events and where that might lead us.

    Pretty observant opinions, imho, John C. Worth a ponder or two.

  89. calli

    Chloe Shorten on Seven telling us all about stepmum stereotypes and the Wonder of Blended Families.

  90. TP

    Go to bed Struth you’re still pissed.

  91. struth

    Harvard University has released a new school-sponsored guide telling students to “fight transphobia” and “get the facts about gender diversity.”

    It’s a good thing that truth and facts are a Euro white construct from the enlightenment designed to keep oppressed people down…………………………………………………………

  92. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I can’t get the idea of a snag from the car park of Bunnings out of my head.

    I was in Bunnings Alexandria/Mascot on the weekend purchasing a pot plant and generally browsisng.
    You always learn something new and useful there from the very helpful staff.
    They could charge tuition fees. Better than TAFE. And it’s very sociable too.
    I broke a small glass table there once, and they didn’t bat and eyelid. Just got me another. 🙂

  93. Geriatric Mayfly

    adding that someone’s gender identity “can be affirmed and/or expressed in many ways,” and can even “change from day to day.”

    Has anyone ever seen one of these chameleons? You would think that morning television, at least, would ferret one out, put it in front of the cameras, and with time lapse technology amaze viewers with these multiple transmutations.

  94. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Battle of the Nek fought predominantly by the 10th Light Horse was immortalised in the film Gallipoli. Most of the unit was killed or wounded in an area the size of a few tennis courts.

    “Like trying to attack an upturned fry pan up the handle.”

    The film took a few liberties with history – the attack at the Nek was nothing to do with the landings at Suvla Bay, and everything to do with an attack by the New Zealanders from Chunuk Bair – they got lost on their way to the start line, and unkind souls said their commander had hit the bottle.

    The officer who ordered the charges to go ahead was not British, as implied in the film, he was certainly Australian.

  95. Makka

    Dambusters on GEM today!

  96. struth

    Harvard University has released a new school-sponsored guide telling students to “fight transphobia” and “get the facts about gender diversity.”

    The fact in gender diversity, is the inch or so of skin between holes.
    Slip from one to the other and you’re in the shit.
    That’s a fact.

  97. Tel

    It reminds me of a series of articles a couple of years ago about climate “scientists” and their fellow agitators. As their balloon slowly deflated, they started emoting about how they couldn’t sleep, they were stressed out and depressed and broke out in hives, because the ignorant masses couldn’t grasp the primacy of their position at the top of the totem pole of Saving the Planet. Truly, you wouldn’t let these people drive a bus – they were too mentally unstable.

    Back in the old days we used to call it a “conscience”.

  98. struth

    So they’re all down there gas bagging in the Bunnings car park.

    I can’t stand it.

    What the bloody hell’s going on down there?
    Some gossip please.

  99. Jo Smyth

    What started all this animosity between johanna and Lizzie. Silly girls.

  100. Eyrie

    Of course Bunnings replaced the table. I think the cost of the building, power, staff etc dwarfs the cost of the goods on sale.

  101. Diogenes

    Why not Hollywood ,now that would cause irrerable damage to the decromats , open borderist , u.n. Communists and islamofascists ,the huge amount of suportes they have there .hopefully soros ,gore ,tge oobummers and clintons would be on sunst bde , when it went BANG !

    Dr Fred – nuking SFO would rid the word of Twatter*, Facepalm and a large piece of Google’s and Apple’s employee base, so therefore a much larger impact on the feces** of leftism. War crime or service to humanity – you decide

    * as in ‘only twits twatter’
    ** an autocorrect suggestion tht I thought more appropriate than the intended forces

  102. Libby Zee

    And Lizzie/Libby has been explained, sort of. If it’s a copycat, then at least Yulia T is good-looking and has exceptionally beautiful braided hair.

    As I said back on March 30:

    It’s good that you have decided to be known here by what you regard as your own name. I agree that Beare does not rhyme with Zee, and happily so. There should therefore be no further difficulty with me using my own name of Elizabeth (Libby) Zee from now on.

    Just between us girls, the Zee is the first letter of my maiden name, which you don’t need to know, and is the reason for my adopting an image of a famous woman from the Ukraine as my Gravatar. I did consider using an image of Milla Jovovich, but decided against it. One actress on the blog is enough, I’m sure you agree.

    At about the same time another, simply named Elizabeth, made a comment or two here but has not since returned.

    I shortened my original blog name to Libby Zee to help Sinclair deal with the one who was being precious about names.

  103. incoherent rambler

    Some gossip please.

    Don’t quote me, but …

    The Liberal party is funding a testicular transplant for their leader, hoping that the new additions will enable them to retain 20 seats at the next election.

  104. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder what they’d say about today’s Australia.
    As a nation, we don’t deserve their sacrifice.
    Disgusting.

    ‘ To save your world, you asked this man to die
    If this man should see you now, could he ask why?”

    W.H. Auden – from memory.

  105. Top Ender

    Hey Struth, Abbott666 also abolished the mining tax and the climate tax.

    As well as the boats.

    Not too bad for an 18 month term.

    I admit he stuffed up in several other areas, as well as not doing things, such as getting stuck into 18C.

  106. Anthony

    Ossoff. The name sounds particularly Russian to me. And he located his business to the UK. What sort of candidates are the D’rats encouraging?

  107. struth

    The Liberal party is funding a testicular transplant for their leader, hoping that the new additions will enable them to retain 20 seats at the next election.

    But then he won’t be able to see where he’s going.
    I assume it would be a lot harder to take selfies if you are holding your balls away from your eyes, as well.

  108. Boambee John

    Zulu at 0955

    Not only the NZs, Monash’s 4th Brigade was also part of the attack.

    Too little account seems to have been taken of the physical condition of the NZs and 4th Brigade after nearly 4 months on the Peninsula before sending them on a night march over steep, difficult country.

  109. struth

    Time out.

    I might go down to Bunnings for a snag.

  110. Top Ender

    WWI took a lot of Australians, certainly.

    But Aussies are strange about their history.

    Question for cats – no Googling – just answer it in your minds.

    What was the greater number: the total of fatalities in the Vietnam War for Australia, or the number of men who died in the sinking of HMAS Sydney in WWII?

    Answer in 15 minutes.

  111. johanna

    More whining teachers. Apparently, they are going part-time because they can’t handle the “stress:”

    Teachers in Canberra preschools and primary schools may teach up to 21 hours and 30 minutes face-to-face each week. In high schools and colleges, teachers may be asked to teach up to 19 hours weekly, averaged over the year.

    When I was in primary school, my teacher was there all day, every day, typically with a class of 35+. In high school, teachers taught about 35 periods a week, i.e. one period off, plus lunch, every day. The school day was no longer than seven hours, and they had about ten weeks of holidays a year.

    The unions will not rest until the student/staff ratio is 1:1 (plus teaching aides for “special needs” pupils) and then they will claim extra allowances because 1:1 teaching is a specialist skill.

    In fairness to teachers, the abolition of school discipline has made their jobs a lot more difficult. But, most of them support it, so my sympathy is limited.

  112. Boambee John

    Listening to Waffles talk about the immigration changes, when he could not complete a sentence when answering a question, but jumped from subject, made me wonder if he might have early onset Alzheimers (if eminent psychiatrists can diagnose without interviewing the patient, so can I).

  113. incoherent rambler

    I have posted this before. Maybe on armistice day. (Family possession. Scroll.)
    Methinks this is what we should not forget.

    He whom this scroll commemorates
    was numbered among those who,
    at the call of King and Country, left all
    that was dear to them, endured hardness,
    faced danger, and finally passed out of
    the sight of men by the path of duty
    and self-sacrifice, giving up their own
    lives that others might live in freedom.
    Let those who come after see to it
    that his name be not forgotten.

  114. Boambee John

    Top Ender

    Military dead in Vietnam 501

    Losses on HMAS Sydney 645 (including some RN and RAAF)

  115. Farmer Gez

    In regard to the 10th Light Horse, you will find that many of the casualties of the Nek were ex Victorians who joined WA units after heading west for the gold rush. WA units contained a large contingent of NSW and Vic born men as well as fresh Pommies off the boat.

  116. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Ever thought that I may have disguised the university, let alone the time frame or even the Faculty, for the Lefty Philosopher’s medal, Jo? But get one he did. Or that I have not disclosed the area of expertise drawn upon by the Conversation for Hairy’s rare contributions nor the time frame of that deliberately vague ‘early period’? I am extremely selective in the information I give out, and long ago said in the thread I initiated on this issue on the Cat that I am a real person whose comments recount actual experiences, but that I do make an occasional ‘tweak’ to protect the identity of others, without obliterating the substance of their experience. So good luck with your sleuthing. You won’t get far. Do you think Hairy would have me commenting here if he didn’t trust my judgement regarding ID issues? He has far more to lose than I have in this world of economic terrorism against those who are not PC.

    You are just ridden with envy and spite over those things that are very real in my life: my background, my self-education, my career such as it was, my marriages (God knows you shouldn’t be envious of the first one) and my financial ease at present. Plus the fact I am totally proud that I am so loved by someone I adore.

    Had a great lunch yesterday with a crowd of girlfriends, old ones and a couple of newer ones, and a great opportunity to have a heart-to-heart with one I’ve liked but hadn’t heard her full story before. I guess it is the old saw about the heap of tales in the naked city. Some of us don’t know we’re born. I count myself lucky and so should you.

  117. Boambee John

    johanna

    I have enjoyed your substantive posts today, but I wish you would just scroll past Lizzie.

    Sometimes I wonder if Lizzie is trolling you.

  118. Makka

    Not meaning to harp on about this but the shear numbers are shocking. From what I can gather, there were around 180,000 males in WA at the start of WW1. Of that cohort, 32,000 enlisted. Almost 20% of the then male population of WA. That must have been the majority of the 17-25 year old age group of that time, surely?

    Records show around 7,000 KIA from that cohort, thousands more permanently disabled, who knows how many died years later from their ordeals. Around 22% of enlistees, Killed in Action.

    It’s entirely feasible that almost half the enlisted diggers in WA alone were KIA, permanently disabled, died of injuries later, injured etc. Shocking stuff. The grief , loss and hardship don’t bear thinking about.

  119. srr

    Bloody Walgett, only ever brings to mind ‘Betty from Walgett’ in ‘Hey Dad’ and what that show has since come to mean.

    That Walgett has also come to mean people threatening to out real identities at the cat … ahh, bloody Walgett, so foul a tapeworm to be constantly pulling through the litter box, so excuse me while I return to the more edifying topic of, “Children of Men”.

    This is an excellent review, and like the movie, has become more clear over time –

    Children of Men Analysis: Faith, Politics, Prophecy?
    Sculpting Frames

    Sep 21, 2016
    10 years on,
    I wanted to look back at one of my favourite films of all time.

  120. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    giving up their own
    lives that others might live in freedom

    Says it all. We must continue the fight in respect for their sacrifice.

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    In regard to the 10th Light Horse, you will find that many of the casualties of the Nek were ex Victorians who joined WA units after heading west for the gold rush

    It’s a little known fact of Australian history that it was the voted of those who had come West in the gold rushes – the ” T’Other Siders” – that took Western Australia into Federation in 1901.

  122. johanna

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #2361032, posted on April 22, 2017 at 9:55 am

    adding that someone’s gender identity “can be affirmed and/or expressed in many ways,” and can even “change from day to day.”

    Has anyone ever seen one of these chameleons? You would think that morning television, at least, would ferret one out, put it in front of the cameras, and with time lapse technology amaze viewers with these multiple transmutations.

    Mayfly, you are a genius. This would be the best reality show ever. Especially if it also included a matchmaking element. Jerry Springer, eat your heart out.

    If anyone pinches it, sue the pants off them. You have lots of witnesses!

    Blockquote fail – once you accidentally hit it twice, it’s impossible to fix.

  123. dopey

    Lizzie
    You came second in the beauty contest. The winner must have been hot.

  124. incoherent rambler

    Not meaning to harp on about this but the shear numbers are shocking.

    I can’t recall the exact numbers, but for Ballarat (VIC) and district, and the Gilgandra (NSW) area the figures were bad. The avenue of honour (old road Ballarat to Ararat) tree for each fallen was a depressing drive.
    The numbers were shocking. If I recall correctly, the battle of the Somme (which a grandfather survived) was 85,000 a day.

  125. Jo Smyth

    struth, your observations with regard to Abbott, the Liberal Party and its present state are spot on. However, what are we to do about it? Who the hell are we going to vote for at the next election? The plan of world wide Socialism seems to be happening and all we do is talk about how it all happened. Are we doomed or will there be a Saviour and how can it possibly happen with the rabid ABC and MSM controlling all the fake news? I know how we got here but how do we get out of this mess?

  126. Top Ender

    And the answer is:

    521 died in the Vietnam War from Australia. The number is a bit arguable: there have been suggestions it should include suicides “as a result of the war” afterwards, and so on. But here is the AWM’s summation.

    645 KIA in the sinking of the Sydney in her battle against the Kormoran. No link: I spent a fair bit of time researching and writing in the time the search was on for the lost Aussie warship. But I can provide sources if anyone wants.

    The interesting thing is most Australians could not name the figure for the loss of the warship. Yet her sinking, it has been argued, impacted almost every city and town in the country.

    Then again, Vietnam did impact Australians in a very big way: there were thousands of people wounded, and there was a lot of effects mentally as there is in all conflicts.

  127. Tom

    Trump is God. How could we ever doubt it when he has the divine ability to rain down
    Trump Derangement from the heavens onto ugly fat chicks* around the world?:

    (Vanessa) Badham in The Guardian Australia, yesterday:

    The new nightly ritual is this: we’ve made a pact not to check social media in bed. I get my dollops of US news on the couch beforehand, shared from American friends on Facebook and usually captioned in tones of worldly disgust, tired sadness or sickened shock at how the US president is wielding his weapons of war.

    It’s not looking good. Having gazed into the abyss, Van slogs bravely on:

    So each night, the attempt is to fold the world into the rubber flap of my iPhone case and somehow fall sleep. Anxiety, however, doesn’t pack away so well. Since the election of Donald Trump, my brain runs electric with potential catastrophe even as it should just fade to black.

    And on:

    The fear of so many is not of falling asleep, but of waking up to discover Trump’s digital bellows felled a city, or that his games with new military toys have enacted a hostile play that can never be reversed.

    And on:

    My sleep is now so light that if my phone buzzes, I bolt upright in bed. At my age, notifications at midnight should provoke the crazy fear that dear old mum has had a fall — not that The New York Times may ­be announcing the outbreak of ­nuclear war.

    Cursed to near sleeplessness through the night’s bleakest, darkest depths:

    I can’t sleep for what I see, whether I shut down my phone or not … Anxious, wide-awake, huddled in my ­cottage in the night, my partner ­soothes me and repeats: “We’re safe here. We’re safe.” I no longer feel it. Do you?

    *L: Catherine Deveny. R: Vanessa Badham.

    For services to entertainment alone, you’re greater than you’ll ever know, Don.

  128. incoherent rambler

    I know how we got here but how do we get out of this mess?

    Sorry. It is over.

    Maybe your grand children will sort it out.

  129. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It’s entirely feasible that almost half the enlisted diggers in WA alone were KIA, permanently disabled, died of injuries later, injured etc. Shocking stuff. The grief , loss and hardship don’t bear thinking about.

    Two books, well worth reading about this:

    Vera Brittain, Testament of Youth. A VAD nurse in WW1 on the battlefields, the loss of the flower of a generation of youthful idealists from the great universities, and other canon fodder; the horror of it.

    George Johnston, My Brother Jack. The post-war period in Melbourne through the eyes of a working class young man whose mother nursed the continual stream of limbless men returning from the front.

  130. johanna

    Sometimes I wonder if Lizzie is trolling you.

    She’s just being herself, the centre of the universe, gorgeous, dripping with diamonds, adored by all, brilliant, caring, compassionate, but with a past worthy of Angela’s Ashes.

    She’s been the same for many years.

  131. Boambee John

    rambler at 1028

    Tbe worst day on the Somme was 1 July, 57,000 British casualties including some 19,000 dead.

    The battle continued until early November. If casualties had been 85,000 per day the total would have exceeded ten million. The actual total forvthe British and Commonwealth was around 430,000.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    At my age, notifications at midnight should provoke the crazy fear that dear old mum has had a fall — not that The New York Times may ­be announcing the outbreak of ­nuclear war.

    The answer is quite simple really. Stop reading the New York Times.

  133. John Comnenus

    Bolt finally understanding that France is in a state of civil war. It has its army on the streets protecting its native population against the 11000 win wolf terrorists.

    Why would anyone import more Muslims? Stopping the immigration of more, when you don’t know which ones or how many will want to kill you, is the only logical first step to dealing with the her problem.

  134. Farmer Gez

    Our little country town lost five boys in one day at Pozieres.

  135. H B Bear

    ALPBC spinning hard that the dead Paris jihadi was a “French national” and a “criminal not a radical”. This despite IS claiming responsibility , finding evidence of the jihadi’s love of Allah, his recent visit to his Islamic homeland and his radicalisation from 14 years interned in Frances Islamicised prison system.

    Even Hollande isn’t bothering with that part of the script this time around.

  136. srr

    🙄

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2361059, posted on April 22, 2017 at 10:17 am

    Ever thought that I may have disguised the university, let alone the time frame or even …

    I know I’m not the only to think you have “disguised” so much, that you are more likely one of those loser, low class, own child neglecting, violent meth heads constantly being banged up, rather than the impossible saint who so loves to boast about being a sort after expert in their treatment.

    But hey, we’re all free to use our imaginations, aren’t we. Not only perpetual writers and wanna be authors of one of the most over written about fantasies ever, so I’m sure in your saintly gratitude for every important blessing that’s worth anything, you won’t begrudge us sharing our imaginings with the world, and expect everyone to take them seriously, lest they have the full wrath of vengeful gutter trash unleashed on them (as you also so love to boast you are proud to do to those who upset you), will ya. 🙂

  137. incoherent rambler

    Tbe worst day on the Somme was 1 July, 57,000 British casualties including some 19,000 dead.

    Thanks. So the figure in my head should have been 8,500 (the arithmetic works). Horrendous.

  138. Makka

    I can’t sleep for what I see, whether I shut down my phone or not … Anxious, wide-awake, huddled in my ­cottage in the night

    That’s a gold medal for self sacrifice and caring , right there. I’m moved to tears.

  139. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    She’s been the same for many years.

    Hey, you’ve only known me for six, maximum. 😀

    A very wise person, Johanna, once said that we are all stars in our own movie, but only bit players in everyone else’s. Worth bearing in mind, you included. Life’s moveable feast is fairly wondrous, so perk up and enjoy it. Arthritis is no excuse. Some people here are very old, with creaky bones, but young in spirit and great fun to be with. They never give up and are an inspiration to us all.

    And then there is Stimpy, and Tailgunner. And Arky. And Calli and Ms. Doolittle.
    Who could resist that smorgasbord?

  140. Nick

    Saw the Pence motorcade twice last night, impressive.
    The SMH reports this:

    Mr Pence is expected to take a harbour cruise during his visit.

    Ahead of his arrival on Friday, an anti-war protest took place at Sydney Town Hall, calling for Australia’s foreign policy to be independent from that of the US.

    Oh? So anti war protests have resumed after an 8 year hiatus?

    NSW Greens senator Lee Rhiannon said the US should “back off threatening countries”, and bombing Afghanistan and Syria.

    So the Greens are ok with not threatening those who gas children?

  141. calli

    Van lives in a cottage? How cute.

    Does she lure children in with sweets?

  142. johanna

    Tom, what a hoot!

    Lefties are quivering in their beds about what The Donald might do next.

    Lots of Irritable Bowels, I hope.

    Ann Coulter described the dickheads who threaten her and others’ appearances on US campuses as betas. She is right. You wouldn’t want to have one of them next to you in your trench or foxhole. They would be too busy whining about their allergies or the lack of gluten-free rations to save your neck.

    Gavin McInnes and his Proud Boys have declared war on these cowardly creeps, since the cops just stand by and let it happen. No more Mr Nice Guy. You punch, we punch back, twice as hard. Funny thing is, as soon as the Proud Boys punch back, the heroes of the Left run like the rabbits they are.

    It is the physical manifestation of the intellectual debate. It is so long since anyone has challenged them, they are flabby and haven’t got a clue what to do.

  143. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I know I’m not the only to think you have “disguised” so much, that you are more likely one of those loser, low class, own child neglecting, violent meth heads constantly being banged up, rather than the impossible saint who so loves to boast about being a sort after expert in their treatment.

    Oh do stop it. I’ve only minimally disguised anything traceable. We’re very well off and I’m lucky.

    You want the latest? I’m offering support to a youngish male rellie who has just been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. He’s a total loser, drug addict and back on to it. I am the only one in the wider family he will still talk to, he reached out to me, and I’ve been sympathetic. Hairy isn’t, nor is this man’s own mother. Not boasting, this is just part of my life and the baggage that Hairy got when he married me.

    I’m no saint, but there are plenty who think Hairy must be.

  144. John Comnenus

    Van doesn’t lure kids into her cottage with sweets because she eats them all.

  145. Chris

    Then again, Vietnam did impact Australians in a very big way: there were thousands of people wounded, and there was a lot of effects mentally as there is in all conflicts.

    The other night a fellow guest related how as a young Nasho, he and a couple of mates went to a party in Sydney just after the government announced they were removing our guys from Vietnam. When they went to leave, there were a crowd of yelling thugs outside waiting for them to come out.
    They whizzed back inside, and phoned the base; a group of their mates came out to rescue them. The thugs got a nice sorting out.

    I love a story with a happy ending.

  146. classical_hero

    Thanks for the laugh, Tom. They’re really into what they believe.

  147. Andrew

    dopey
    #2361070, posted on April 22, 2017 at 10:28 am
    Lizzie
    You came second in the beauty contest. The winner must have been hot.

    You don’t happen to have her number do you?

    (Asking for a friend)

  148. Top Ender

    Interesting concept about the Vietnam war – were nashos forced to go?

    One answer…

  149. Bruce of Newcastle

    NSW Greens senator Lee Rhiannon said the US should “back off threatening countries”, and bombing Afghanistan and Syria.

    Bombing Libya and Iraq = good
    Bombing Afghanistan and Syria = bad

    Yep, lefties, we are totally convinced.
    Not.

  150. Motelier

    Interesting concept about the Vietnam war – were nashos forced to go?

    But, but, but, numbers said he was forced to go.

  151. incoherent rambler

    How long before the French airforce begins bombing runs on northern Paris?

  152. Tom

    You wouldn’t want to have one of them next to you in your trench or foxhole. They would be too busy whining about their allergies or the lack of gluten-free rations to save your neck.

    Johanna, the thing I detest more than anything else about leftoids — more than their 24/7 compulsive lying about everything, their self-loathing and their blind hatred of everything that is good in the world — is their cowardice.

  153. Chris

    Hey Struth, Abbott666 also abolished the mining tax and the climate tax.

    As well as the boats.

    Not too bad for an 18 month term.

    I admit he stuffed up in several other areas, as well as not doing things, such as getting stuck into 18C.

    The difference was that under him the Libs had a direction and were trying to do stuff.

  154. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There should therefore be no further difficulty with me using my own name of Elizabeth (Libby) Zee from now on.

    I didn’t see this March 30 comment from Grigory. Nor did I see an ‘Elizabeth’ commenting. Anyone simply using ‘Elizabeth’ is of course free to come on in. Just as you are, ‘Libby’.

    Stick with Libby Zee, Grigs, if you continue with this farce. And why not use Libby Zed, the Australian pronunciation of the final letter of the alphabet, if you say you are not a plagiariser? Using the graphic bracketing system is ID theft of my IP in developing it, and confusing for threadsters.

  155. incoherent rambler

    Not too bad for an 18 month term.

    Once a jellyback, always a jellyback.

    The problem with re-instating Tones is that you know he does not have the spine for the job.

    On the other hand, his ability to inflame the screeching class and the ABC had to be admired.

  156. Leo G

    Van doesn’t lure kids into her cottage with sweets because she eats them all.

    Gingerbread cottage?

  157. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    When we visited the Long Tan Memorial near the site of that battle in Vietnam, we were given a list of the names of those killed. About half (from memory) were conscripts. No doubt once in the army the pressure to agree to go was considerable; however I doubt if those who really and obviously objected were sent, and this seems to be confirmed by Top Ender’s link.

  158. Chris

    Van doesn’t lure kids into her cottage with sweets because she eats them all.

    The kids?

  159. struth

    struth, your observations with regard to Abbott, the Liberal Party and its present state are spot on.

    However, what are we to do about it? Who the hell are we going to vote for at the next election? The plan of world wide Socialism seems to be happening and all we do is talk about how it all happened. Are we doomed or will there be a Saviour and how can it possibly happen with the rabid ABC and MSM controlling all the fake news? I know how we got here but how do we get out of this mess?

    I think there is a tipping point that really has already been reached in Australia.
    Without Trump in the white house we would be completely gone over and very soon the next Venezeula.

    We probably still have.
    The march through the institutions (especially education) and the political apathy of Australians means the cancer is terminal.
    Britain has more social freedoms and less bureaucratic control than we do.

    Our media completely shut down ALA last election.
    MSM still have a big impact here.
    Only Trump making America Great Again will show Australia how wealth is generated.
    The climate scandal could end tomorrow and they would immediately dream up other excuses to close business and power generation in Australia.
    Australians are upset enough with all this to mumble to each other, but that’s all.

    There’s going to be a lot more pain before this nation comes good if ever.

    looking at it all, and how western women hate their white men, I think the best thing to do, is to grow a beard, throw a sack over your missus and beat her into the kitchen where she will then praise you for not being one of those terrible western types.
    That is of course, on the nights you visit her and not your other wives.
    Just joking of course.

    Islam to me is the key.
    Islam is so obviously incompatible with us and violently at war with us that politically apathetics take notice.
    Hence the Hanson vote.

    The left have completely underestimated this.
    The UN (the left) want the destruction of nation states so they gain complete control.
    Islam in their pea brains is perfect to achieve this.
    They are global socialists and totalitarians of course.
    That means they are collectivists, and not that bright.
    They parrot a theme. You see Monty.
    Islam just got it’s first kick by Trump and Brexit.
    It may get another one in France this weekend.
    The left own Islam.
    It’s not being implemented around the world at the same time equally.
    We have global communications and can see countries in varying states of invasion.
    The left, in their great desire to rid the world of the western capitalist success story, have , in their haste, turned to Islam.
    Multicultural, and the march through the institutions wasn’t quick enough, and the west still held on.

    I am just theorising, but in answer to your question, I believe the left , being the dumb bastards they are, will regret using Islam as an invasion force.
    Politically apathetic Australians don’t like violent Mussies and will vote against their enablers.
    Where ever there are muslims now in the west, they are nothing if the west really wanted to deal with them.

    Turnbull would be assured of Victory if he was to stop all Islamic immigration.
    Hanson will get millions of votes she would otherwise never have, due to Islamic immigration.
    Blinded by hate, and willing to use violence (as is always the case), the left got into bed with Islam.
    Even politically apathetic Australians won’t vote left now.

    The liberal party will try to regain some right wing cred before the next election, (they are pretending now) and it all concerns immigration.
    Their other socialists policies are being pushed through harder than ever.

    The vote won’t go left next election.
    Trump will be observed by our general population to be winning for his country, and that will be powerful.
    Despite our MSM.
    Britain hasn’t collapsed due to Brexit, which also may be beneficial for us.
    The majority of Australians are politically apathetic, the kids are rebelling against their indoctrinators as much as they are being indoctrinated, and they aren’t that stupid as to vote for weird beards.
    The noisy minority, the looney left, traitors and violent arseholes that they are, can’t win with mussies, and if they do, they lose anyway.

  160. dragnet

    Ladies Johanna and Lizzie B I do like both of you for your respective contributions but the constant schoolyard crap is very wearisome.
    As for that other “lady” Lizzie Zee: fuck off.

  161. Motelier

    The difference was that under him the Libs had a direction and were trying to do stuff.

    Bullshit!

    I love this game.

    Remember the 2013 election slogans, like “Stop the Boats”✅, “Remove the Carbon Tax” ☑️.

    What about the Budget Emergncy?

    The Libs had an opportunity to go straight into a mini-budget straight after the election. Remember how well the did that?

    No?

    Neither can I, the whole party folded like a poker player on speed.

    Remind me what our national debt is now. And to further rub salt into the wounds, Malturd is going to rack up the national debt faster than ever by spending up to $5 500 000 000 to support the green filth in SA, Vic, and Tas.

    I am sure you can point to articles where Abbott666 is screaming from his lungs that this is a waste of money.

  162. Senile Old Guy

    Vera Brittain, Testament of Youth. A VAD nurse in WW1 on the battlefields, the loss of the flower of a generation of youthful idealists from the great universities, and other canon fodder; the horror of it.

    Excellent book! I second the recommendation. The movie version was also very good.

  163. stackja

    Leftists supported Stalin/Mao/Ho/Fidel etc.

  164. johanna

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2361059, posted on April 22, 2017 at 10:17 am

    Ever thought that I may have disguised the university, let alone the time frame or even the Faculty, for the Lefty Philosopher’s medal, Jo? But get one he did. Or that I have not disclosed the area of expertise drawn upon by the Conversation for Hairy’s rare contributions nor the time frame of that deliberately vague ‘early period’?

    In other words, you lied.

    In your several discussions of your University Medal winning philosopher ex-husband, (illustrating your magnificence at snagging him) you never even hinted that you might be disguising his identity. On the contrary, citing the Sydney University Medal is pretty specific. But, now that you are being called out, you admit that either you lied or you lied. Or, perhaps, you lied.

    You could easily have said something like that he achieved academic distinction. But, no, you said that he got the University Medal for philosophy at Sydney, not once, but several times. Very specific.

    Suddenly, this is part of your Cunning Plan to throw us off the track. But, the point of those posts was that you were irresistible (albeit from the wrong side of the tracks), and that he was practically a genius, yada yada. You now admit that you created a fantasy character who won the gorgeous princess. The University Medallist who couldn’t resist the stunning and brilliant girl off the street.

    No wonder you love Downton Abbey.

  165. Makka

    The Libs had an opportunity to go straight into a mini-budget straight after the election. Remember how well the did that?

    Yes. The coward raised taxes.

  166. Tel

    Bombing Libya and Iraq = good
    Bombing Afghanistan and Syria = bad

    Yep, lefties, we are totally convinced.

    I’m pretty sure the Australian Greens were formally opposed to getting involved in the Iraq war.

    Libya wasn’t ever our war, it sort of snuck in under the radar with support from Europe (France especially if I remember)… but I challenge you to find Greens actually supporting that war. I think you are being a touch dishonest, although perhaps you could argue that the Greens were fairly quiet when it came to criticism of Obama. That doesn’t mean they liked what Obama and Hillary were doing out there, just that they didn’t want to be racist and sexist by saying anything.

  167. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hehe…

    Latest Muslim Terrorist Also Mentally Ill… Like All The Others

    Karim Cheurfi, 39, was described as an oddball by his neighbours in the multi-ethnic suburb of Chelles east of Paris, about a 30-minute train ride from the centre of the City of Light.

    “Everyone knew him here,” said one resident in the quiet area where Cheurfi lived with his mother. “It was someone who had lost all reason, who was psychologically very damaged,” said the resident, asking not to be named.

    I wonder when the MSM will join the dots and work out that saying all muzzo jihadis are insane will imply that all muzzos are, um…well I don’t think that but it’s getting pretty silly.

    We’ll know when the MSM clams up completely about mental illness of muzzo terrorists. What next after that? Retread the old freedom fighters thing maybe? Or the just misunderstood meme?

  168. Bruce of Newcastle

    but I challenge you to find Greens actually supporting that war

    No Tel they never support such things. But the Left tended to shut up when it was Obama bombing Libya and Iraq. It got veery veery quiet.

    I disagreed with all of it. Wall the place off, rescue the Yazidis, Christians and similar, and let them work it out. Allow only those who apostatize to leave.

  169. Antonin D

    It’s funny how people are sensitive/touchy, even when they’re wearing their disguises on blogs.
    I had a look at some pictures of this Fay Wray (no ‘e’ in her name) and she was pretty, in that vapid sort of way, which was the vogue back then I’d say. Wouldn’t dare to venture an opinion re:
    which of the two ladies appearing here is the better-looking. Though one lady sure has Good Hair.

    President Trump is doing very well. I too consider it a win/win, John Comnenus.

  170. Top Ender

    Conscripts, it is argued, generally don’t fight well.

    But different services have different attitudes.

    In Baghdad when I was there, a “gentlemen of an Australian service, neither of which shall be named” decided he wanted to go home, immediately on arriving in theatre.

    Admittedly, the war was at its height, and we were taking four fatalities a day in the Coalition; around 20-30 wounded, and at least one suicide, but we were not being badly cut up, and we were fighting back.

    This bloke was counselled, advised, threatened a bit – it was pointed out: no gong, and his career would be wrecked – but he was determined. He – and his wife back home – were certain he would either become a fatality or horribly maimed. As an “older servicemen” of around his age I was asked to get into counselling him. No result, and within 10 days of his arrival into Baggers he was flown home.

    The Yanks, by comparison, had a different attitude.

    If you had signed on with Uncle Sam for six years, you would go where you were told, and stay. Many countries, for example, had a policy with female members who “fell pregnant” that they would be sent home. Not the USA. If a female member was preggers, then bad luck. They would not send them home until – from memory – about two weeks before term. There were indeed cases of premature birth in theatre.

    Fun times, it wasn’t – but very interesting. I learnt a lot.

  171. bystander

    Just received an email from Lindblad Expeditions telling the world that every day should be earth day.
    In the spirit of embracing diversity my reply was:

    Oh dear – you have lost my wife and me – and anyone else we can influence. You would be better off keeping your left wing political views to yourselves – your views disgust me.

    Kind regards

    I’m that kind of bloke – always trying to help others.

  172. JC

    Hey and there’s also no floor spitting. Win win

  173. Top Ender

    Lovely post Struth. Can you run for office please?

  174. Combine Dave

    JC
    #2361123, posted on April 22, 2017 at 11:29 am
    Hey and there’s also no floor spitting. Win win

    Not content with stealing our jobs the Chinese Robots are stealing our Robots’ jobs too! – Not good! /kidding

    OTOH why would we ever need mass unskilled migration (via a token fee or otherwise) now that automation is so effective and affordable?

  175. Antonin D

    Excellent, Struth (11.18 am) easy to feel disheartened today, your words – ardent, cheering

  176. stackja

    Sharkey, Lawrence Louis (1898–1967)
    by Stuart Macintyre
    This article was published in Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 16, (MUP), 2002
    In March 1949 Sharkey had told a Sydney journalist that if ‘Soviet Forces in pursuit of aggressors entered Australia, Australian workers would welcome them’. He was tried in the Central Criminal Court and found guilty of uttering seditious words. The High Court of Australia upheld his conviction and in October he was sentenced to three years imprisonment. The term was later reduced and he served thirteen months. On his release he embarked on a national tour. He then spent six months at a sanatorium in the Soviet Union for treatment of a heart condition.

  177. Nick

    I wonder when the MSM will join the dots and work out that saying all muzzo jihadis are insane will imply that all muzzos are, um…well I don’t think that but it’s getting pretty silly.

    It’s strange how such a readily accepted hypothesis as that never extends to its logical conclusion.

  178. .

    Makka
    #2360989, posted on April 22, 2017 at 9:05 am
    What has struck me from reading up about WW1 and Australia’s involvement in it’s various theatres is the immense and enduring impact it had on Australia during that period and for a whole generation after. It’s hard to measure the depth of grief and economic impact of losing so many in a single generation, particularly in rural and regional Australia where many families lost 2 and 3 sons, brothers and fathers, small communities saw many dozens of their youth wiped out. Almost every family effected in some places.

    I remember my first visit to the Kings Park memorial in Perth. I was shocked. During WW1 Perth was not a big place at all. Wall after wall after wall of many thousands of names from the various services. Tens of thousands dead, many tens of thousands injured and disabled. The effect must have been terrible, just terrible yet they managed to endure and move on to help build this wonderful country. One day at a time. It’s hard to get your head around.

    Shocking indeed, the pals regiments the UK had are sad in the same way. Entire communities pretty much wiped out.

  179. val majkus

    back from horse grooming, it’s hard work and now she’ll probably roll … bit of a rest and then off to Bunnings for the meet up. If anyone gets any photos of the Science Marches would be great if you could post them!

  180. Snoopy

    It’s a shame Stuart Macintyre was never locked up.

  181. Snoopy

    Along with academics who set his books as course texts.

  182. stackja

    Keith Windschuttle
    Stuart Macintyre and the Blainey Affair
    Quadrant Magazine
    October 08th 2008
    At the last federal election, Kevin Rudd promised an “education revolution”. However, the appointment last month of Stuart Macintyre to draft the national history syllabus for Australian high schools is anything but revolutionary. It is a return to the past with a vengeance. It is guaranteed to entrench within the teaching of history all the intellectually reactionary trends that emerged from 1960s radicalism and which have dominated the profession for more than three decades: history from below, relativism of interpretation, the politics of ethnicity and gender, and an outlook and practice inspired by Macintyre’s commitment to communism.

    Critics concerned about this last allegiance have already been dismissed in the press by Macintyre’s friends. They have tried to pass off his membership of the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Communist Party of Australia as a youthful indiscretion, long ago and far away. They have accused those who raise it of vilification and McCarthyism. However, this connection formed the basis of Macintyre’s academic career and remains his most common topic. Six of his books are directly about Marxism, communism and communists. Three of them were produced within the last decade and a half.

    They are: A Proletarian Science: Marxism in Britain 1917–1933 (1980): Little Moscows: Communism and Working Class Militancy in Inter-War Britain (1980); Militant: The Life and Times of Paddy Troy (1984); Communism in Australia: A Resource Bibliography (co-editor, 1994); The Reds: The Communist Party of Australia, from Origins to Illegality (1998); Communism in Australia: A Supplementary Resource Bibliography 1994–2001 (co-editor, 2002). Moreover, there is still another volume of his history of the Communist Party of Australia yet to be published.

    Macintyre’s writings about the party do not reveal any of the contrition or revaluation one might have expected following the collapse of the USSR in 1989–91 and the wide acceptance that communism was a more terrible regime, with tens of millions more corpses, than even Nazism. What stands out in the first volume of The Reds is Macintyre’s portrayal of his leading characters, most of them secretly in the pay and doing the bidding of Moscow, as well-meaning and do-gooding. The book was described by one of his old Marxist factional rivals, Bob Gould, as an “essentially Stalinist company history of Australian Communism”.

  183. Jo Smyth

    According to the news, Peta Credlin will be asked to run for the Liberal Party in KO’Ds seat. I can’t see the point. The vast majority of the Liberals in the Government have decided to go over to the dark side and join Malcolms progressives. There are probably about 10/12 people left in the Government, including backbenchers, who would truly follow the Liberal line. Even if Turnbull is gone in the not too distant future, please God, would there be enough people left in Government to convert to liberalism as we would like it.

    The most perfect solution would be a mass exodus to Cory Bernardis Party but I just saw pigs flying outside.
    No-one has the guts to give up their perfect lifestyles and perks.

  184. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Not only perpetual writers and wanna be authors of one of the most over written about fantasies ever

    Now that really hurts, srr, cuts to the quick it does, inasmuch as I can decipher the logic of it, deeply embedded as it is in your rather convoluted sentence structure. Even in this short extract, I cannot quite discern whether my work-in-progress over written about, or simply in itself over-written, or both? And is it a fantasy? Sadly, only in part of its mode, and in general the answer has to be no. The substance of it is a very real linguistically-based analysis of a very ancient set of historical confusions.

    As for my life, no fantasy on the Cat about that. Living it right now and spending another morning being stupid by commenting here, and my commenting has not been all about me, btw, if you look back, just on the things of the day as raised by others. The personal stuff came from me simply defending myself from Grig’s and then Johanna’s continuing nonsense.

    Instead of being here, I should be writing more about some ancient confusions. As I’ve said before, I’d be the first to admit the criticism of ‘perpetual pending authorship’. You do hit home with that.

    Maybe I should give my detractors a break, leave off here for a while (you addictive lot), and sort out Bran Hen, King of Bryneich, c. AD 485, who lived to a great, age, was an amalgam character in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s twelfth century History, and was curiously related to many traditional gods. Applying the linguistic technique of a ‘name scatter’ to his name is very instructive. John Darrah in “Paganism in Arthurian Romance” has put me on to this technique, but I can take his scatter for Bran much, much further due to a lucky break I came across once, in Sweden. In fact, I have two large chapters already written that detail a series of name scatters I have found, all rather boring, except for what they prove. 🙂

  185. Boambee John

    struth

    Some good thoughts from you today.

  186. Antonin D

    When Geoffrey Blainey was silenced : a disgraceful episode

  187. incoherent rambler

    The vote won’t go left next election.

    Optimist.

    The US will end up carpet bombing AU as jihadist haven.

  188. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hey and there’s also no floor spitting. Win win

    Maybe why they’re coming to a burger joint near you.
    Only kidding, it’s actually the Left’s minimum wage laws and insane regulations:

    When Low-Wage Workers Are Better Than Robots

    The latest news is that a company called Miso Robotics has developed an automatic burger flipper called Flippy. Naturally, media outlets are already writing headlines of how this is replacing jobs. The issue in this case is that this particular form of automation isn’t being driven by any kind of cost effective plan but as a result of government action.

    In other words, Flippy wasn’t designed and isn’t being rolled out because it is a superior, cost effective system but because it is the least damaging of two options. Businesses weren’t rushing to purchase this equipment at a lower wage level, meaning that the automation itself isn’t superior to human labor. It’s just superior to human labor at $15 per hour. The actual cost falls somewhere between the old labor cost and the new minimum wage mandate.

    So far we’ve avoided this in Oz because of the junior wages laws. So Maccas can staff whole restaurants with teenagers and afford the wage costs despite our insane $17.70/hr minimum wage. And those kids are getting a wonderful training in business reality.

    It’ll be sad when the ALP gets their ideological way and blocks junior wages or perhaps firing of people who reach adulthood, wage-wise. We’ll then be fed by robots too.

  189. Tel

    The most perfect solution would be a mass exodus to Cory Bernardis Party but I just saw pigs flying outside. No-one has the guts to give up their perfect lifestyles and perks.

    Even a minor exodus would do the Liberal Party a lot of good… they would no longer need to pretend to be culturally conservative, and no longer muck around giving lip service to principles they obviously don’t believe in. They can rename themselves as a pragmatic centralist party, in it as career politicians, with leanings towards corporate welfare. Everyone will understand the deal and we can all get a lot more relaxed about where we stand.

  190. dweezy2176

    Shocking indeed, the pals regiments the UK had are sad in the same way. Entire communities pretty much wiped out.
    I, luckily, come from one of the, rare, families who lost no one .. apart from Grandad who went to France for the last couple of months and an uncle, who captained a frigate in 1, destroyer in 2, everyone else was either too young, too old or in reserved occupations ( coal-miners all!). Though by the time the 2nd one came around lotza relatives (including Dad) were involved but all made it home in one piece ..
    The family has had someone following the flag from Napoleonic days thru WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam & the Falklands .. thankfully, none of my brood have felt the urge to add to the list …

  191. egg_

    OMG, some of us might have to go west of Annandale* to work. It’s barbaric, I tells ya!

    *Is there still dog sh1t all over the pavements?
    Biohazard.

  192. Bruce of Newcastle

    Just received an email from Lindblad Expeditions telling the world that every day should be earth day.

    Google has a doodle today also celebrating Lenin’s birthday oops Earth Day.
    Maybe someone could start up a Humans’ Day on Ayn Rand’s birthday.

  193. dweezy2176

    Even a minor exodus would do the Liberal Party a lot of good… they would no longer need to pretend to be culturally conservative, and no longer muck around giving lip service to principles they obviously don’t believe in. They can rename themselves as a pragmatic centralist party, in it as career politicians, with leanings towards corporate welfare. Everyone will understand the deal and we can all get a lot more relaxed about where we stand.
    It’s a big ask …… someone, anyone in the LP having principles .. self indulgent troughin’ is the only game in town when it comes to politicking these days!

  194. Top Ender

    Can’t be bothered debating it in writing Lizzie, but one day when in Sydney I offer to take you on about Arthur’s presence in Britain over lunch. From memory we had a stouch a few years back. I will be taking the position he was a genuine person.

    If alcohol is involved it will descend to farce of course, but might be fun initially.

  195. egg_

    A museum community must be those mummies on display.
    A cultural precinct surely is a racist bigotty bigot area .

    Sipping a latte next to a crusty old mummy must be quite the experience.

  196. struth

    Excellent, Struth (11.18 am) easy to feel disheartened today, your words – ardent, cheering

    Thanks, but it was all just an alternative theory.
    Probably the biggest pile of crap anyone could write, but mussies are starting to really piss a lot of people off now.
    The mussies aren’t game to do anything in Trump’s America now, because he has made sure he comes across a bit unstable.
    A terror attack may actually stop muslim immigration into America, and that would put back the actual invasion plan.
    I’m just guessing , but there isn’t going to be any “lone wolf” attacks either, in the states, proving there is no such Animal.
    The lone wolf crazies were blowing up and shooting and hacking their way through the states before Trump.
    Lone Wolves would not stop, unless ordered to.
    That means they are not lone wolves.
    People will pick up on this.
    I have, so many others have.

    I may be wrong, but the real lessons here are time honoured and learned already.
    Collectivism always fails, eventually, when fighting free minded and free willed people.
    Hitler lost because he was a totalitarian collectivist that ruled a collectivised people.
    The “wisdom of crowds” is immediately lost.
    I am starting to come to the conclusion that we will have to go through more terrorist attacks, and the country will go more Islamic yet.
    Our economy will be second consideration.
    Islam, if handled by a smart politician, could be the biggest gift the right ever got from the left.

    The left are the enablers. The left owns Islam.
    Everyone, even the politically apathetic, know it.

    It may be where they have really stuffed up.

    Just thoughts.

  197. Makka

    Pence doing a rock solid job reinforcing who our mates are.

  198. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2361147, posted on April 22, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    Gaylord Anton Nelson (June 4, 1916 – July 3, 2005) was an American politician from Wisconsin who served as a United States Senator and governor.

    Gaylord Nelson is perhaps best known as the father of Earth Day. But he also served as The Wilderness Society’s counselor after his career as a U.S. senator …

    Wilderness Society, Ocean Conservancy say Trump’s budget cuts would harm environment

  199. stackja

    Neil Gorsuch, President Donald Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, got to see rough and tumble politics up close as a teen when his mother served and then resigned during a contentious tenure running the EPA under Ronald Reagan.
    Gorsuch’s mother, Anne Gorsuch Burford, ran the Environmental Protection Agency beginning in 1981 at the start of the Reagan administration. She was part of the ‘sagebrush rebellion,’ where westerners tried to clamp down on regulations and federal land policy and what they viewed as government intrusion from Washington.
    When she got into the agency, she demanded deep cuts in personnel and a wholesale evaluations of regulations.

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  200. cohenite

    srr

    #2361001, posted on April 22, 2017 at 9:23 am

    It’s a pity he’s still under the programmed compulsion to drop Left/Green words such as “environment” and “capitalist” as if they have any weight at all, because overall this is a good introduction to the greater story being told in, “Children of Men”.

    Like so much of my favourite contemporary art, even it’s makers will say it’s telling a story that pleases the Left/Green, and most tend to receive it such a away, yet I’ll see and hear ‘little’ details (that the makers go to some trouble to include), that are like a, “psst, turn it over”, whispered in the dark from a fellow resistance fighters against the dictators who would crush souls, if it weren’t for all those keen ears and quiet little whispers …

    Actually SRR there is quite a bit of subversion of green madness in Hollywood movies: 2 great examples:

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2015/03/kingsman-most-subversive-anti-agw-movie.html

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/interstellar-hollywood-leaves-agw-in.html

  201. John Comnenus

    I loved Kingsmen

  202. Makka

    I loved Kingsmen

    “Shoot the fking dog.”

  203. Bruce of Newcastle

    Gaylord Nelson

    Snopes reckons that the first Earth Day coinciding with Vlad Lenin’s 100th birthday is entirely a coincidence.
    Therefore it’s true! 😀
    Snopes have fully dropped their camo since Trump was elected.
    I love how Trump strips the foliage off of these critters.

  204. Chris

    The mussies aren’t game to do anything in Trump’s America now, because he has made sure he comes across a bit unstable.
    A terror attack may actually stop muslim immigration into America, and that would put back the actual invasion plan.
    I’m just guessing , but there isn’t going to be any “lone wolf” attacks either, in the states, proving there is no such Animal.
    The lone wolf crazies were blowing up and shooting and hacking their way through the states before Trump.
    Lone Wolves would not stop, unless ordered to.
    That means they are not lone wolves.

    Australian mass shooters were also ‘lone wolves’, but they stopped.
    The reason is that the media stopped teaching that mass shootings were easy because GUNS, and offering rewards of millions of dollars worth of free publicity. Instead the media taught that was OVER now.

    The media and their partner activists created the copycat mass shootings, and when their teaching and incentive offers stopped, so did the mass shootings.

    Note the similarity to terrorist incentives, and the mussie lone wolves; if we just laughed, called them stupid dogs and went around their bodies splattered on the pavement without even stopping for a selfie it would die out quickly.

    I may be wrong,

    As you say.

  205. C.L.

    Pence is such a good social communicator (video).

    Our own Peter Cosgrove (greeting Pence), on the other hand, is an embarrassing bore (video).

  206. incoherent rambler

    Nope. We really need to have a serious talk about the make up of Muesli.
    The nuts need to be removed.

    An open discussion (without “waythist” thoung lathings) has not yet happened.

    Without a political discussion, there is no solution in sight.

  207. Antonin D

    An embarrassing bore he surely is, and has been for a long time. And he’s certainly been having a good old time.

  208. egg_

    These handful of professionals told the ABC what the abolition of 457 visas means for them.

    I.e. totally irrelevant cherrypicking.

  209. Tailgunner

    likely one of those loser, low class, own child neglecting, violent meth heads

    LizzieB goes Breaking Bad!
    😀
    😀

  210. Faye

    Just watched the ABC’s coverage of the live Press Conference between the US VP, Mike Spence, and PM Turnbull. The staging of one man in the glaring sun (Turnbull) and the other in the shade as a black silhouette (Mike Spence) was atrocious and embarrassing.
    Turnbull couldn’t string a sentence together either.
    Welcome to Hicksville!

  211. Roger

    These handful of professionals told the ABC what the abolition of 457 visas means for them.

    Policy decisions are made in the national interest, not according to the interests of foreigners.

  212. Diogenes

    Dam Busters on GEM just starting now

  213. JC

    Pence is such a good social communicator (video).

    Mid Western decent is how I would describe him.

    Leftwing zombies focused on getting Trump impeached haven’t really thought through the fact that in the event of impeachment Pence becomes Prez. That’s okay.

  214. Faye

    CORRECTION:
    I apologize for my huge error after I pulled down everybody else. US VP MIKE PENCE – MY APOLOGIES!

  215. Baldrick

    Tbe worst day on the Somme was 1 July, 57,000 British casualties including some 19,000 dead.

    20 falling dead plus another 40 taken out wounded every single minute for 16 hours of fighting, on the first day.

  216. Boambee John

    Faye at 1256

    See my comment upthread.

    After listening to Waffles on Thursday, I am coking to suspect thar he has early onset Alzheimers.

    Your comment about his inability to string a sentence together supports my suggestion.

  217. Boambee John

    coming, not coking, although some youthful indescretions in that line might explain his problem.

  218. Antonin D

    Pence is an unusual surname. Probably English. Anyhow this Pence is an impressive man.

  219. Dr Faustus

    Even a minor exodus would do the Liberal Party a lot of good… they would no longer need to pretend to be culturally conservative, and no longer muck around giving lip service to principles they obviously don’t believe in.

    This is true enough; however ‘doing the Liberal Party a lot of good’ is not exactly in the best interests of the Australian voting population.

    In fact, the problems we face are largely built around our elected representatives and their enablers doing themselves a lot of good. Policy development over the past 20 years has been all about satisficing the easiest political pathway to re-election.

  220. val majkus

    Snopes reckons that the first Earth Day coinciding with Vlad Lenin’s 100th birthday is entirely a coincidence.
    Therefore it’s true!
    Snopes have fully dropped their camo since Trump was elected.
    I love how Trump strips the foliage off of these critters.

    Bruce of Newcastle, thanks for those informative links, must say the most exciting political events are happening overseas these days. First thing I do these days is check my overseas links to see what’s happening in the US and elsewhere overseas.
    BTW often wondered about your form of conveyance when you say you go ‘treadly’ here and there, what form of conveyance are you using? Is it shanks pony or some new brand of bike or what?

  221. struth

    Australian mass shooters were also ‘lone wolves’, but they stopped.

    Who were “they”?
    And you sound pretty sure all of these mass murderers , so rampant in Australia have stopped?

    I take it you blame the media because terrorists use it as a tool to let everyone know that they are willing to be violent for their cause?

    The media and their partner activists created the copycat mass shootings, and when their teaching and incentive offers stopped, so did the mass shootings.

    Are you on drugs man?

    If a gun man shot a dog it would be reported by the meeja.
    If a mass shooting occurred they would advertise it still.
    So how have they taught it’s over now?
    When has the incentive stopped?

    As I said.
    I may be wrong, with my theories.
    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on your comment being that the sentence structure is poor and you may mean something different.

  222. Roger

    Mid Western decent is how I would describe him.

    I remember the press dismissing him as some sort of bumpkin during the campaign for eating at a chain restaurant he was familiar with on his visit to NYC instead of going haute cuisine.

    Says a lot about both Pence and the press.

  223. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But, but, but, numbers said he was forced to go.

    It was an officer of Number’s old battalion who told me that there were those who decided not to “opt out” for the sake of the war service housing loan, and the other benefits, and’ when popular opinion turned against the war, claimed they had no choice..

  224. johanna

    JC
    #2361119, posted on April 22, 2017 at 11:27 am

    Shit. 200,000 packages a day.

    JC, there is a program which I can’t find on Google about the UPS (I think) outfit in the US.

    It was just astonishing. A facility the size of an airfield, everything barcoded, conveyor belts that would reach to the Moon, stuff coming in at one end and going out the other into trucks or planes, 24/7. Humans were mainly used for dealing with odd-shaped parcels and monitoring the lines.

    It was staggering to see. I don’t recall the numbers, but this largely automated facility handled millions of parcels, whether they were going from Denver to Denver or from Denver to Gdansk, with equal ease.

    That is why you get your order from the US to at least our shores within a day or two. After that, as we all know, anything is possible.

  225. egg_

    Teachers in Canberra preschools and primary schools may teach up to 21 hours and 30 minutes face-to-face each week. In high schools and colleges, teachers may be asked to teach up to 19 hours weekly, averaged over the year.

    Due to stress?
    Can’t discipline the kids?
    What’s the ratio of male/female teachers?

  226. Faye

    I am really upset with myself. I read US politics every day and KNEW it was Mike Pence. I did have an employee named Spence once upon a time but that is no excuse. No one’s perfect least of all me.

  227. H B Bear

    Turnbull couldn’t string a sentence together either.

    Not our Lord Waffleworth. We see only Potential Greatness in his intelligence and elocution.

    Be off with you!

  228. C.L.

    Go to the video and watch borish slob Cosgrove get things rolling with … “this is best harbour in the world.” Then he says something about all the portraits of previous Governors-General.

    FMD.

  229. egg_

    The cultural precinct of Ultimo just happens to be right next door to the ABC, but it’s a fair way from the Opera House. And this recent custom of calling any bunch of self-interested lobbyists a “community” is irritating and a perversion of language.

    How many of the Ultimo darlings would be aware that the TV technical nerve centre is out at the ‘badlands’ in Ingleburn?

  230. struth

    No one’s perfect least of all me.

    Don’t worry Faye, let me assure you, being perfect isn’t everything it’s cracked up to be!

  231. Megan

    Turnbull couldn’t string a sentence together either.

    This has been the case for a very long time. Unless he is talking about himself and his Potential Greatness.

  232. Motelier

    This has been the case for a very long time. Unless he is talking about himself and his Potential Greatness.

    Roll on 21/06/2017 in Malotto. 😃

  233. Shy Ted

    Chloe Shorten on Seven telling us all about stepmum stereotypes and the Wonder of Blended Families..
    Which got me to thinking, who does the breastfeeding or do they take it in turns?

  234. Bruce of Newcastle

    Val – from Urban dictionary:

    treadly

    Australian term for bicycle, the shortened version of deadly treadly commonly associated with mountain bikes because of knobbly tread on the tires.

    The one I use is not quite a road bike – the tyres are a bit knobbly but that is only really for the occasional fire trail or track. Mostly I stick to the shared paths these days.

  235. egg_

    Miso Robotics has developed an automatic burger flipper called Flippy.

    What will the Unions make of SAM – the Semi-Automated Mason, who lays thousands of bricks per day?
    457s feeding him bricks?

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