Now I have heard it all – Part 2

As was re-shown on Insiders this morning, Opposition Leader, The Hon. Bill Shorten in his budget reply said, in respect of the budget:

…. It does not keep faith with traditional coalition values.  It’s a budget of big government.  Higher tax and more debt.

Explanatory video below, but you know there is a problem when the leader of the Parliamentary Labor party calls a Coalition government a big government party.

Breathtaking.

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24 Responses to Now I have heard it all – Part 2

  1. iampeter

    …but you know there is a problem when the leader of the Parliamentary Labor party calls a Coalition government a big government party.

    Yep, this has been a big problem for the Labor Party in Australia ever since John Howard as on his watch the Coalition moved further left on every issue and then some!

    Not only is the Coalition responsible for some of the most far left legislation in line with traditional secular leftie ideas around environmentalism and forced disarmament but they are also responsible for good ol’ fashion traditional/religious, leftie ideas around who can marry who.

    So you vote Coalition for big government regulation of every aspect of your lives, even the bits that it wouldn’t even occur to regulate to the totalitarians in the Labor and Green movement.

    Hard days for the Labor movement when their side of the political spectrum has been so completely overrun by Conservatives.

  2. Leo G

    I’m getting tired of your meddling muddling. This town ain’t big enough for the both of us and I’m going to give you 24 hours months to get out. If I see you in Carabinas Canberra by this time tomorrow to borrow, it’s you or me!

  3. The Vengeful Ghost of Fiona Watson's Moggie

    you know there is a problem when the leader of the Parliamentary Labor party calls a Coalition government a big government party.

    Not really.

    It’s the truth.

    Our three main parties are: communists pretending to be environmentalists; a big government, heavy-regulating, high-taxing, nanny-stating, virtue-signalling classic social-democratic party; and a trades-union party.

  4. Fisky

    Not only is the Coalition responsible for some of the most far left legislation in line with traditional secular leftie ideas around environmentalism and forced disarmament but they are also responsible for good ol’ fashion traditional/religious, leftie ideas around who can marry who.

    Sorry, is Iampeter seriously trying to argue that opposing gay marriage is a Left-wing position???

  5. Jannie

    As Latham noted, the Turnbull Party ideologically is to the Left of the Hawke/Keating governments. Shorten notes Turnbull has framed a pure socialist budget. The whole two party edifice seems to have moved two standard deviations to the Left.

  6. H B Bear

    It’s actually quite an achievement to stand next to the accused Senior Labor Figure and actually have less credibility than him.

  7. iampeter

    Calling opposing same sex marriage “right wing” is the same mistake as calling fascists “right wing”.

    Being right wing is about supporting individual rights. Since most Conservatives don’t support individual rights they are not and have never been right wing, anymore than someone like Hitler or Mussolini were right wing.

    Just religious/traditionalist leftists.

  8. Roger

    Even Insiders ripped into Shorten this morning.

  9. Cannibal

    Wait till the Greens start calling Liebor the party of protest…

  10. Tel

    Sorry, is Iampeter seriously trying to argue that opposing gay marriage is a Left-wing position???

    Historically both the Communists and the National Socialists pushed anti-gay policies. Western leftists only support gays as one species of useful idiot, when it suits them to use the identity politics as a hammer to break down mainstream society. For example, Milo is gay but the leftists want to shout him down and treat him with zero resepct, because they simply don’t like what he has to say… they couldn’t give a shit if he is gay or not, any more than they care whether Le Pen is a woman. It’s all identity of convenience stuff.

    When Islamic State are murdering homosexuals the mainstream “Progressives” don’t care a jot… they sit silent as mice. When some CEO in Western countries isn’t convinced about gay marriage, all of a sudden they do care, like it’s the most important thing in the world. The only consistent principle behind this is power and manipulation.

  11. Fisky

    Calling opposing same sex marriage “right wing” is the same mistake as calling fascists “right wing”.

    But the reality is that nearly everyone who opposes gay marriage is right-wing, and are identified as such by leftists.

  12. Dr Fred Lenin

    Shorten should g have gone on to say “and them capitalist mongrels is stealin the policy we got what took us years ta invent. ” .

  13. iampeter

    But the reality is that nearly everyone who opposes gay marriage is right-wing, and are identified as such by leftists

    Except those same “right wingers” are responsible for some of the most far left legislation in this country’s history, so much so that even the leader of the Labor Party is now calling them “big government”. This is the topic of this thread in fact.

    The only reality is that if you believe in a government that is big enough to regulate marriage, you believe in big government and that makes you a leftist.

    Australia and the West in general have nothing but left wing political movements of one degree or another. There is no right wing in mainstream politics anywhere in the world today and therein lies all our problems.

    The false alternative we all face is weird incoherent Judaeo/Christian collectivists who sometimes talk about markets and then proceed to implement socialist policies vs actual socialists who are actually struggling to keep up with how far left the J/C collectivists are.

    Like alien vs predator, whoever wins we all lose.

  14. 2dogs

    The problem is constitutional. Under representative democracy, the politicians are the public’s representatives, nothing more. Why should they care about the deficit if the public does not?

  15. Mjw

    Strange comment from Shorten given it was the Labor Party that prevented the traditional Conservative budget from being passed under Abbott.

  16. Art Vandelay

    You’d hsve to have a heart of stone not to laugh:

    Newspoll: PM’s budget gamble falls flat

    he Turnbull government has ­failed to generate a swift reward from its dramatic move to “reset the budget” by using tax hikes to replace divisive spending cuts, with the government losing ground against Labor to trail by 47 per cent to 53 per cent in two-party terms.

    In a blow to Malcolm Turnbull’s plan for a political recovery, voters have shifted to Labor and the Greens while voicing concern about budget tax increases, with 45 per cent saying they will be worse off from the budget.

    It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving bunch of cowards, hypocrites and cretins.

  17. He’s right.

    Oh, I doubt his sincerity, of course. Criticising Turnbull for doing things he’d do himself.

    But he’s still right.

  18. “Since most Conservatives don’t support individual rights they are not and have never been right wing, anymore than someone like Hitler or Mussolini were right wing.”

    Go home, Ayn Rand.

    You’re drunk.

  19. Peter

    Judging by the two polls I have seen since the budget the people of Australia do not need convincing. The Liberal Government has slipped in the poll since the budget. Australians understand that this budget is bad for them and bad for the country. Something Turnbull and Morrison both are yet to understand. Or worse yet, do understand but simply do not care.
    We should be clear though, that a good part of the reason this government has been a failure is because of Shorten’s obstructionism – his determination to tear down a government that originally had a mandate from the people in his own interests. He too understands that his actions are bad for the country – but does not care. We are seeing a monumental failure of democracy – where both parties are actively working to destroy the country in the hope that they can preside over the smoking ruins.

  20. iampeter

    Go home, Ayn Rand.

    You’re confused. This is a centre-right blog which sometimes literally has Ayn Rand quotes come up in a the sidebar.

    So since I’m not a master douche bag such as yourself and I won’t call on you to leave, I will ask why you’re even here to begin with?

  21. Rusty of Qld

    When I was a kid the saying was “pot calling the kettle black arse”. Came from the old wood burning stoves causing carbon black accumulation on the cold bottom of the pot or kettle.
    I much prefer the traditional phrase when calling out hypocrites.

  22. Cynic of Ayr

    About the only time Shorten said something accurate.
    Gawd, I betcha Turnbull was excited by Shorten’s speech!
    Turnbull is just loving it as his plan comes together.

  23. Leo G

    You’re confused. This is a centre-right blog which sometimes literally has Ayn Rand quotes come up in a the sidebar.

    Don’t confuse yourself. This is a libertarian and centre-right blog, but is not necessarily hostile to those who are neither.

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