New South Wexit

We’ve had Brexit. There have been threats of Grexit and Frexit. There is a vote planned for Calexit. But is there a case for New south Wexit? Is it time to have a conversation about NSW seceding from the “Commonwealth”.

Hey. We can have Vexit also, but Spartacus is but a citizen of NSW and not Victoria.

Yes there would be cries of “it’s not fair”, especially from South Australia and Tasmania. Afterall, who will underwrite their bad decisions. But really.  When is enough is enough?

What about WE (New South Walesers). It isn’t fair.
We’ve had enough. We want our share.

In addition to the GST distribution working against NSW, the impost of the increased Medicare levy and bank levy will disproportionately fall on NSW. As the state housing the city (Sydney) with the highest prices, and the largest mortgages, the increased mortgage rates will hit hardest here.  Never again to hear horizontal fiscal equalization would be a delight.

What about energy risk? Because of the “national grid”, NSW and VIC provide electricity inter-connectors to South Australia, and Victoria to Tasmania. Given particularly South Australia’s renewables policies, the chances are that SA will regularly hit NSW and Victoria generators possibly impacting supply and pricing.

As for politics. Well. For every Lee Rhiannon NSW has produced, we have a conga-line from SA and TAS. Xenophon, Hanson-Young, Lambie, Wilkie, Kakoschke-Moore, Whish-Wilson, Abetz, Pyne and Ellis just from the current sitting crop.  Brian Harradine anyone?  Let’s not even mention WAs contributions such as Christabel Chamarette and Dee Margetts.

And if NSW secedes, for all those Keynesians out there, there would be a huge stimulus from the building of a Trump style wall along the SA and QLD borders.  No need for a border with Vic as a normal USA-Canada style border would suffice.

Perhaps free trade agreements can be entered into between NSW and the other states, but absolutely not, under any circumstance, should the taxes of NSW citizens be transferred to the mendicant bunch.

Clearly the Kiwi’s were the smartest by staying out of the Federation. They have lower taxes, no senate and the best rugby team in the world.

You Know it Makes Sense.

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102 Responses to New South Wexit

  1. Pete of Perth

    Thank goodness SA isn’t connected to the WA grid

  2. It would be interesting to see a partition along the Great Divide to the current borders with SA/Vic/Qld.
    Considering the current population, it would be a good base for a conservative party.
    First job would be to set up three coal power stations along those borders and make a motza supplying the Socialist states when their own power plants fall over.
    And we could make Wilcannia the capital.

  3. john

    You make a lot of sense. Here in Queensland we rely on begging the Commonwealth because we can’t make tough decisions.

  4. Kim Howard

    Just give all States their own GST and change the rules to one Senator per 500,000 of population !
    That will fix it .

  5. areff

    Forget Ned Kelly. The greatest villain in Australian history was, is and remains Henry Parkes.

    Federation? Phooey!

  6. sdfc

    and change the rules to one Senator per 500,000 of population !
    That will fix it.

    Like there’s not already more than enough political power on the east coast. NSW has got nothing to whinge about. 30c in the $1 is something to whinge about.

  7. Diogenes

    Nah,
    Go the other way. Feds levy ONLY gst and excises. Gst set a level to pay for minimum, ie pension and dole only, socsec and defence and repay debt over x many years + huge cull of govt depts . Andthings like ACARA, TGA paid equally by the states.

    States can income tax and medicare etc.

  8. Tel

    Mike Baird vs Malcolm Turnbull… there’s not much room for light to get through between them.

  9. Defender of the faith

    I want Vauclusexit. We carry the whole nations budget on our backs.

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Nah,
    Go the other way. Feds levy ONLY gst and excises

    Federal Government only responsible for defence, foreign policy, trade and immigration. They should be able to manage that, surely?

  11. Trader Perth

    West. Aust. only joined the federation because of those traitors in Kalgoorlie . We have enough mineral wealth , oil & gas plus agri products to support a army to keep those thieving lick spittles on the other side of our border.

  12. miltonf

    In so many ways we would be better off without the Feds. If they would just stick to Customs and Defense (and do it properly, the old fashioned way). But yeah the NSW Libs seem almost worse than Bob Carr. Can’t imagine him trying to ban greyhound racing.

  13. miltonf

    I’m certain WA would be better off without Canberra. I’m surprised that there isn’t a stronger push coming from there.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    West. Aust. only joined the federation because of those traitors in Kalgoorlie

    I don’t have a reference, but apparently if Western Australia had voted NOT to join the Federation, the British colonial office was going to hive off the goldfields, and establish them as a separate colony.

  15. Oh come on

    If NSW leaves, WA pays more. No. Or yes but we get to come too.

  16. miltonf

    Tasmania has been stuffed it’s true but a lot of kooks from the mainland muscled in on the place. Premiers like Robin Grey were trying develop the place and provide decent, long term jobs for people down there.

  17. Trader Perth

    Zulu…yes that’s true. Kalgoorlie , Albany and Esperence where going to form a new state and join the thieving federalists.

  18. Trader Perth

    John Forrest , premier of WA at the time gave the vote to women who could,nt vote and routed the east coast f–kers.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    Maybe Sydney can merge with Singapore. Lots of ethnic Chinese with admirable industriousness.
    Just need to boot Clover and all will be well. I suggest she moves to Tasmania before it’s too late.

  20. Tim Neilson

    Good post Spart but you’re being very optimistic about CFMEUistan. As a resident I can assure you that Dan the sockpuppet has us heading for mendicant status at close to the speed of light.

  21. duncanm

    Diogenes, I like your way of thinking.

    There definitely needs to be change to address
    * the rewarding of delinquent states with extra GST revenue
    * lack of real competition between states by way of flexiblibility in state tax and land policies
    * feds (ie: taxpayer) bailing out states who don’t insure (I’m looking at you, Qld)
    * lack of accountability (read: economic or electoral pain) for idiotic energy policies

  22. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    John Forrest , premier of WA at the time gave the vote to women who could,nt vote and routed the east coast f–kers.

    John Forrest, Premier of Western Australia, who saw a mineral rich Western Australia, propping up the mendicant Eastern States..

  23. duncanm

    If NSW leaves, WA pays more. No. Or yes but we get to come too.

    how about NSW and WA form a union — a bit like the West bank and Gaza, but infinitely more productive. Don’t discount us lobbing the odd rocket over the borders, though.

  24. Tel

    Tasmania has been stuffed it’s true but a lot of kooks from the mainland muscled in on the place. Premiers like Robin Grey were trying develop the place and provide decent, long term jobs for people down there.

    There’s no greater disability than central planned charity.

  25. I am Spartacus

    Spartacus has youngish children so has no life. What are the rest of you doing blogging on a Saturday night?

  26. Marcus

    As for politics. Well. For every Lee Rhiannon NSW has produced, we have a conga-line from SA and TAS. Xenophon, Hanson-Young, Lambie, Wilkie, Kakoschke-Moore, Whish-Wilson, Abetz, Pyne and Ellis just from the current sitting crop.  Brian Harradine anyone?  Let’s not even mention WAs contributions such as Christabel Chamarette and Dee Margetts.

    Mike Baird, Trent Zimmerman, Jason Falinski, Marise Payne, Arthur Sinodinos, Alex Hawke, Craig Laundy, and the two whose names I forget who just got elected at by-elections.

    And that’s just from your conservative party over there.

    Not sure what you’re getting back in the GST stakes, but when it hits the thirties, we’ll talk.

  27. I want Vauclusexit. We carry the whole nations budget on our backs.

    Vaucluse is not on its own. It is never ending. The newly announced (starting July 1) NSW Fire & Emergency Services Levy will be a fixed amount to a base level, & thereafter a “progressive” tax based on land value.

    Thus – another slug based on perceived “wealth”.

  28. Megan

    Good post Spart but you’re being very optimistic about CFMEUistan. As a resident I can assure you that Dan the sockpuppet has us heading for mendicant status at close to the speed of light.

    Sigh. Too, too true.

  29. Tel

    Vaucluse is not on its own. It is never ending. The newly announced (starting July 1) NSW Fire & Emergency Services Levy will be a fixed amount to a base level, & thereafter a “progressive” tax based on land value.

    In theory your insurance premium should go down, as your council rates go up. Be sure to raise the dead when that fails to happen.

  30. classical_hero

    Only WA has the right to secede, because we’re getting shafted by Canberra.

  31. Hasbeen

    I can see the point. However you seem to forget one thing. It is only the foreign exchange earned by the 2 net exporters, WA & Queensland that allow all the good cheap stuff to be bought by NSWers.

    Loose access to all that foreign exchange, & Vic & NSW will get a bit dull, with no TVs, computers, & smelly with no washing machines & refrigerators.

  32. Adelagado

    I’m an Adelaidian and I can shitcan this place with the best of them. But remember that SA was once the head office and manufacturing centre for many big brands. Holdens/GM, Chrysler/Mitsibushi, Bridgestone, Coca Cola, Kelvinator, Simpson Pope, Lightburn, Nylex, British Tubemills, Sabco, Clipsal. Levi’s and dozens of others. We made everything from cars and cement mixers to sewing machines and hose fittings. And we were once a force in mining and steelworks thanks to the ‘iron triangle’ and huge copper reserves. Australia benefited from this stuff when it was way too expensive to import similar products. We were not always a mendicant state. (Has Tasmania ever been anything else?).

    We are in the dumps now, thanks mainly to successive terrible Labor Governments, but other states should not get too smug. Remember, stupid decisions that can send big businesses scurrying interstate or overseas are only a vote away.

  33. Tel

    But remember that SA was once the head office and manufacturing centre for many big brands. Holdens/GM, Chrysler/Mitsibushi, Bridgestone, Coca Cola, Kelvinator, Simpson Pope, Lightburn, Nylex, British Tubemills, Sabco, Clipsal. Levi’s and dozens of others.

    Which one of those was not government subsidized?

    I forget.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Remember, stupid decisions that can send big businesses scurrying interstate or overseas are only a vote away.

    Here, in the Wild West, Mark McGowan is already laying down the law to resource companies
    about how they should be running their businesses.

  35. duncanm

    NSW Fire & Emergency Services Levy will be a fixed amount to a base level, & thereafter a “progressive” tax based on land value.

    yeh I love that. In what way does land value reflect the cost of protecting it?

  36. duncanm

    Adelagado – you also forget the high tech industries that were around in the 80’s.

    All gone — analogous to the bodies in the barrels.

  37. H B Bear

    Adelagado – the only reason Mainland Tasmania could afford to manufacture all that stuff was because Australia was protected by high tariff walls which pushed higher costs for everything onto the rest of Australia. Pretty much what happens now in other words just via direct transfers under the BS policy of horizontal fiscal equalisation.

    The Australian Federation is a major part of the many problems Australia faces at the moment. Like the Senate, any chance of reform is vetoed by the failed States of Tasmania and its mainland equivalent.

  38. Oh come on

    Which is why my proposed NSWA merger has such legs! First order of business once we’ve seceded – send the SAS into the ACT and clean the place out with a sand blaster. All federal and territory civil servants to be corralled in concentration camps before being sent across the northern and southern NSWA borders by sealed train. Then the Parliamentary Triangle is to be cordoned off, systematically emptied of all material relating to the operations of the former Commonwealth and the territory authority and preserved as a giant museum of the folly of centralised power. The rest of the city can be razed – or people can live there if they want, I guess. Not sure why you’d want to, but no accounting for taste. The entire area is to be annexed and will become a part of NSWA. I expect the former city of Canberra will return to fertile pastures in time.

  39. Adelagado

    Adelagado – the only reason Mainland Tasmania could afford to manufacture all that stuff was because Australia was protected by high tariff walls

    All states had tariffs protecting their businesses. It wasnt just for SA’s. benefit. Transport costs from overseas were vastly more expensive back then so local manufacturing often made sense anyway.

    This interesting…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_evolution_of_Australia
    New Zealand was once part of NSW.

  40. Texas Jack

    But remember that SA was once the head office and manufacturing centre for many big brands. Holdens/GM, Chrysler/Mitsibushi, Bridgestone, Coca Cola, Kelvinator, Simpson Pope, Lightburn, Nylex, British Tubemills, Sabco, Clipsal. Levi’s and dozens of others. We made everything from cars and cement mixers to sewing machines and hose fittings. And we were once a force in mining and steelworks thanks to the ‘iron triangle’ and huge copper reserves.

    Key word? “Once”

    And maybe an economy that quickly shit-cans uneconomic activity is a good thing, but is that what we have in SA in 2017? More likely the rest of the country is lucky to have SA demonstrate for all time how best to repel investment and activity and decay living standards. It’s a pity this has taken so long and seems to be lost on the average punter.

  41. Rob MW

    No need for a border with Vic as a normal USA-Canada style border would suffice.

    Bullshit, build a fucking wall against that Mexican border as well, a uugggggeee one. From a NSW Ag perspective, most of the suffocating regulation and strangling excises (akin to drug smuggling) have be born south of the border where their many blue blood Toorak farmers, or Institutionalized Mexican Fuckwits (IMF), should be declared brainless commie terrorists and made to wear their bras and G-strings on the outside for the purposes of identification when attempting to smuggle their nonsensical bullshit.

  42. Oh come on

    IIRC, there was a time in the 2000s when it looked like SA could be on the cusp of a WA-style mining boom – only a very small area of the state had been explored for minerals, and some exploration drilling had turned up promising results. However, one of the ALP premiers sacrificed this new source of jobs/income/wealth on the altar of green politics. Now they want WA to pay for their shit. Mendicant wankers.

  43. Adelagado

    More likely the rest of the country is lucky to have SA demonstrate for all time how best to repel investment and activity and decay living standards.

    SA died because Don Dunstan established a thing called the ‘Hills face Zone’ about 45 years ago. Adelaide was growing nicely at the time, way ahead of Perth in size and, rivaling Brisbane for 3rd spot on the Capital Cities Premiership Table. Then Donny D decided that tens of thousands of prime residential acres with views, 10 minutes from the CBD, would be off limits for development. It was a fatal decision and Adelaides decline started then. It was like saying you can’t build within 5 kms of Sydney Harbour. People who had money to establish a family ‘estates’ had nowhere to spend it. So gradually they fucked off to cities that offered views or water frontage. Put simply we pissed off the kind of people who tend to own, run, and inherit businesses.

  44. Oh come on

    Yep, you lot sure know how to pick ’em, Adelagado. No excuses now. You lot are responsible for the miserable state of affairs you now find yourselves in.

    But hey, Adelaide has that weird bus/train system that cities too poor to afford light rail install as an alternative. There is that. Oh, and you can’t beat Rundle Mall for kicks.

  45. stackja

    Referendums

    First referendum: 1898
    The referendum was passed in Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania. However, while a majority of voters in New South Wales voted ‘yes’ to the referendum, it did not attract the 80 000 ‘yes’ votes set by the New South Wales colonial parliament as the minimum needed for it to agree to federation. Queensland and Western Australia, concerned federation would give New South Wales and Victoria an advantage over the less-powerful states, did not hold referendums.

    Second referendum: 1899
    Between April and July 1899 referendums were again held in Victoria, South Australia, New South Wales and Tasmania, with the result that all four colonies agreed to the proposed constitution. Western Australia still refused to take part.

    The following September, Queenslanders endorsed the constitution by the narrowest of margins, with just over 54 per cent voting ‘yes’. Queensland had waited to see whether New South Wales would federate before it held the referendum.

    The Brisbane Courier welcomed the result and urged all Queenslanders to now unite under ‘The Coming Commonwealth’:

    Australia is born: The Australian nation is a fact. Now is accomplished the dream of a continent for a people and a people for a continent. No longer shall there exist those artificial barriers which have divided brother from brother. We are one people – with one destiny.
    The Brisbane Courier, 4 September, 1899.

    Western Australia joins the federation
    Three weeks after the Australian Constitution became law in Britain, a referendum was finally held in Western Australia at which an overwhelming majority of voters agreed to federate. In fact, the ‘yes’ vote outweighed the ‘no’ vote by a two-to-one margin.

    Once it realised the other colonies would go ahead without it, the Western Australian colonial parliament reversed its opposition to federation. Public opinion in Western Australia had also shifted. By 1900 there was widespread support for federation, particularly among the large number of new settlers from the east who had moved to the colony as a result of the gold rush.

  46. Adelagado

    It looked like SA could be on the cusp of a WA-style mining boom…. However, one of the ALP premiers sacrificed (SA) on the altar of green politics.

    ‘Oh Come On’ You are correct but the biggest and bloodiest sacrifice happened before the one you are probably talking about. See my post above.

  47. Barry

    Awesome post – made me laugh

  48. Nov

    So long as three conditions are met.
    1) No gas from QLD;tariffs across WA borders.
    2) All businesses that rely on QLD coal or WA iron ore now paying the average internstional tariff.
    3) Australian Federal public servants no longer employed in NSW, just the State public servants.

    Qld and WA undoubtedly need the commercial centres of NSW and Vic. But let’s not pretend like the GST apportionament is the only story in town. For more than 100 years, NSW and Bictoria have been tge beneficiary of Australian National public service employment and QANGO appointments.

    Without eachother, Vic. NSW, WA and QLD die. It’s just a pity about the rest, really.

  49. Zyconoclast

    Kim Howard
    #2385443, posted on May 20, 2017 at 6:05 pm

    Are you the love child between Kim Beasly and John Howard?

  50. Qld and WA undoubtedly need the commercial centres of NSW and Vic.

    This is a joke, right?
    When do we get the punchline?

  51. Zyconoclast

    SA died because Don Dunstan established a thing called the ‘Hills face Zone’ about 45 years ago

    The real problem was that once this Zone ‘mistake’ was made, no one has un-made it.
    Typical Libs, maintain and expand what the ALP sets up.

    Most current examples are Maocolm Team with Gonski and NDIS.

  52. duncanm

    SA should be a bloody world nuclear power house.

    Uranium, stable geology for storage, raw materials which needs lots of energy to process (Bauxite), and access to reasonably deep water ports.

    That the best thing the state is known for is dissolving bodies in barrels is a travesty, and indicative of how fucked up this country is/becoming.

  53. BrettW

    Looks like a pretty elaborate way to get out of being beaten by Qld in State of Origin.

  54. mareeS

    Get Donald over here to build walls around Sydney and Melbourne. That would ringfence the miscreants and make life happier for the rest of us.

    Imagine a closed city with the Sussex St burglars, the Photios-Wentworth shysters, the screaming Balmain-Glebe heebies, all locked up together with no exit past the Hawkesbury. Popcorn!

  55. mareeS

    Spartacus at 7.05pm: “What are the rest of you doing blogging on a Saturday night?”

    Cooked dinner, flogged the spouse upstairs to bed. Interesting conversation here, as usual. Better than a pub full of drunks.

    Oh, wait….

  56. Spartacus has youngish children so has no life. What are the rest of you doing blogging on a Saturday night?

    Working.

  57. old bloke

    areff
    #2385451, posted on May 20, 2017 at 6:17 pm

    Forget Ned Kelly. The greatest villain in Australian history was, is and remains Henry Parkes.

    Federation? Phooey!

    Wifey’s great x 3 uncle was Sir John Robertson who led the campaign against Federation. He was five times Premier of New South Wales, alternating in that office with his rival Sir Henry Parkes. When Parkes was attending the Federation Convention in Melbourne, Robertson sent him a telegram saying the Federation proposal “was as dead as Julius Caesar”. It’s a pity that wasn’t right.

  58. .

    mareeS
    #2385645, posted on May 21, 2017 at 12:30 am
    Get Donald over here to build walls around Sydney and Melbourne. That would ringfence the miscreants and make life happier for the rest of us.

    Imagine a closed city with the Sussex St burglars, the Photios-Wentworth shysters, the screaming Balmain-Glebe heebies, all locked up together with no exit past the Hawkesbury. Popcorn!

    I approve.

  59. a reader

    Put them in a smaller box than that. The rest of us don’t deserve to lose Sydney because of the soft-left cockheads!

  60. Alan moran

    Abetz in the same category of whish wilson and the other greens makes an interesting notion of better fund allocation ridiculous

  61. Leo G

    Imagine a closed city with the Sussex St burglars, the Photios-Wentworth shysters, the screaming Balmain-Glebe heebies, all locked up together …

    I see Goulburn (Supermax)

  62. C. Paul Barreira

    From Adelagado:

    But remember that SA was once the head office and manufacturing centre for many big brands….

    The FID got rid of them. And, by and large, the possibility of opposition to arrogant and foolish government. The Liberal Party provided SA with a de facto one-party state and thus

    stupid decisions that can send big businesses scurrying interstate or overseas are only a vote away.

    Quite. Adelagado adds: ‘All states had tariffs protecting their businesses’. What SA did have, at least under Playford was a structure to defeat the problem of distance from the eastern seaboard. Costs, especially wages, were discounted ten per cent. Who removed that benefit—Dunstan or Walsh or Hall—I don’t recall but it was the beginning of the slide into irrelevance and permanently pleading mendicant. (I’m not sure about the hills’ face zone argument; it seems secondary somehow.)
    TEL rightly asks which of these industries listed by Adelagado ‘was not government subsidized’. But when?
    The absurdity of the minutely government-controlled electricity generation and distribution and want of productive investment in SA for many years makes the current situation of deterioration largely permanent. Only construction of a genuine base load power station can change that and requiring how many years? Ten? And no-one to make such a decision.

  63. Eyrie

    We don’t need a Federal government. A defence, customs and immigration policy union will do.

  64. C. Paul Barreira

    The difference between mendicant and more or less oblivion in South Australia was the vote by Norman Frederick Foster OAM (1921–2006), a Labor MLC, in favour of what is commonly known as Roxby Downs and the mining of uranium. That sole vote was the difference.

  65. Ubique

    Australia could become a powerhouse of prosperity in short order if all Green and Labor voters were enticed or otherwise encouraged to move to SA. After construction of a border wall and SA seceding or being ejected to form the People’s Democratic Republic of South Australia, aka Dirtydonnystan, all would in order.

    In the space of 12 months the PDRSA would be exactly like North Korea but with wine – with Gillian Triggs, Bob Brown or Bill Shorten installed as hereditary Dictator, pitch black at night, and dissenters accommodated in gulags and providing slave labour to crank windmills by hand.

  66. Roger

    It is only the foreign exchange earned by the 2 net exporters, WA & Queensland that allow all the good cheap stuff to be bought by NSWers.

    Not to mention our (QLD) propping up NSW’s electricity supply on a daily basis.

    Those Sydney commercial head offices could soon be enticed to move north.

  67. Ubique

    Sandgropers well know that WA voted to secede on 8 April 1933 but made the mistake of electing a new Labor State Government on the same day, which ran dead on the issue.

  68. Kim Howard

    Zyconoclast
    #2385623, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:21 pm
    https://dambustersblog.com/category/lance-howard/

  69. Eyrie

    Had a talk by Lance Howard about the dam busting raid when I was at West Leederville primary school circa 1958.

  70. Oh come on

    Qld and WA undoubtedly need the commercial centres of NSW and Vic

    I don’t accept this premise, so I find the rest of your argument lacking.

  71. Tel

    Without eachother, Vic. NSW, WA and QLD die. It’s just a pity about the rest, really.

    That’s garbage. NSW would be fine on our own, we have plenty of coal. The only reason we use gas from Qld is because someone told us “da planet” wanted it. As for iron ore, it’s mostly going to China anyhow, we can buy back the ready made steel.

  72. Oh come on

    Hey, I went to West Leederville PS about 30 years after you. We probably drank from the same water fountain, I’ll bet – a big red brick thing located on the Cambridge St side of the school, on the opposite side of the quadrangle from the school building. It had four or five old fashioned taps, plumbed in horizontally in a row. The taps weren’t spring-loaded so you had to turn them on and off as you would a normal tap. Each one could shoot a vast quantity of water sideways when you turned the tap on full, and you gulped down what you could from the stream. No one used the middle taps because you’d drench the person/people next to you (unless that’s what you wanted to do, of course) – only the two outer taps were used for drinking from. I haven’t forgotten this weird water beast because I’d never seen anything like it before or since. I’m sure it must have been there since the early days of the school. Wonder if it still is there.

  73. .

    Eyrie
    #2385734, posted on May 21, 2017 at 9:09 am
    We don’t need a Federal government. A defence, customs and immigration policy union will do.

    Yep. A rotating Federal Presidency between the States. State Parliaments elected by sortition. National laws agreed to by internal treaty.

  74. Oh come on

    If *any* geographic entity – nation, state, shire, the Hutt River Province – has enough of a resource surplus to their own requirements that others are willing to purchase, then there is no reason why it could not survive and thrive independently.

  75. I suggest you look at the Swiss Federation. There the states do the taxing and give a small amount to the Federal Government for things like defence. The Swiss have a direct democracy with citizen initiated referenda. They have three or four sets of referenda every year. Some of the states have public voting on every piece of legislation. Switzerlnd has Nuclear, coal and hydro power at a power cost very much lower than the home of renewables (Denmark and Germany which are amongst the highest cost in the world). The Swiss president is ceremonial and has a term of one year. Taxing power should be given back to the states. That would immediately reduce the influence of the senate in Federal Parliament. Then get NSW to introduce CIR as a lead for other states and the Commonwealth.

  76. Mark A

    Tel
    #2385819, posted on May 21, 2017 at 10:52 am

    Without eachother, Vic. NSW, WA and QLD die. It’s just a pity about the rest, really.

    That’s garbage. NSW would be fine on our own, we have plenty of coal. The only reason we use gas from Qld is because someone told us “da planet” wanted it. As for iron ore, it’s mostly going to China anyhow, we can buy back the ready made steel.

    Dozens of nations with practically no mineral resources are far better off GDP wise than Australia.
    Can’t see any reason why NSW or any other state couldn;t make it on its own.

    One reason actually, politicians and unions killed off manufacturing.

  77. Oh come on

    Although Prince Leonard can go and jump in a lake. He proudly claims he doesn’t pay any tax to the ATO, yet is quite happy to mooch off the healthcare system of the nation-state he’s ‘seceded’ from.

    Actually, is he still even alive?

  78. Tel

    One reason actually, politicians and unions killed off manufacturing.

    We aren’t going to get back any serious manufacturing. That’s water under the bridge now.

    We do have a shit hot software industry and many specialist tech businesses. The reason these survive is the political dickheads don’t know much about them and they have not figured out how to meddle. Also, there’s no unions in these industries.

  79. Oh come on

    The Swiss system works because the Swiss are, well, pretty bloody Swiss about the whole thing. Can you imagine the crap that’d get up here if we had CIR? No, the US constitutional model is the gold standard. Constitutional law needs to be above majoritarian whims.

  80. .

    No no, have it so you can only strike down laws with it.

  81. Oh come on

    No no, have it so you can only strike down laws with it

    I still say you need a body of superior law, ideally introduced at the foundation of a nation, that stipulates the model of government, establishes the roles of government, and the limits of government authority for the purpose of enshrining the fundamental rights of the citizenry (ie. negative rights). This kind of law should be extremely hard to alter. I like the sound of CIR if the purpose of these is to strike down most laws, but not if they can be used to strike down the law that establishes the ability of a CIR to strike down laws, as an example.

    This is a weakness in the Swiss model that limits its portability. The Swiss model works in Switzerland for cultural reasons that apply to the Swiss, but not necessarily to the people of other nations. For instance, I think the Swiss model of CIR would be disastrous if introduced in Australia.

  82. .

    I agree. No CIR for constitutional reform, either.

  83. Entropy

    From Wikipedia

    On 1 February 2017, at the age of 91 and after ruling for 45 years, Prince Leonard announced he would shortly be abdicating the throne, handing over to his youngest son,[2] with his youngest son Prince Graeme taking over the throne on 15 February 2017.[3]

  84. Oh come on

    That old chestnut about the FFs being great lawyers but lousy accountants – I’m not even sure the ‘great lawyers’ part is true. Blind Freddy could see that any originalist interpretation of the constitution wouldn’t long outlive its authors.

    I am really doubtful about the role federation played in the prosperity of the people of this country. At best it has ensured there are winners and losers. In total, I don’t know. Our prosperity seems to me to be far more attributable to the fact we are a relatively small population with control over a vast chunk of land and resources, with much more arable land than we need to supply our own requirements. That, and the institutions we inherited from Britain, which the constitution presumes will be in operation as it doesn’t bother to elaborate on these much if at all. These two factors – functioning British institutions and a small population governing a vast, resource-rich landmass – seem to me to be the major reasons for our prosperity. Our particular federal structure? I’d say at best it plays a minor role in the nation’s prosperity, and possibly it is largely immaterial or even detrimental in the aggregate.

  85. It would be much easier to allow each state to issue its own currency. This one act alone would be a profoundly good change.

  86. .

    Our Federal constitution is broken. Anyone who trots out “if it ain’t broke…” simply has no idea about abuse and centralisation of power.

  87. Snoopy

    The simplest and fairest solution is for the GST to fund Commonwealth expenditure and for income and company taxes to be set and imposed by the individual states.

  88. Eyrie

    OCO, that side of the school was the girls’ playground in my day.
    My 3 and a half years there I remember as my happiest school days.

  89. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2385954, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:08 pm
    The simplest and fairest solution is for the GST to fund Commonwealth expenditure and for income and company taxes to be set and imposed by the individual states.

    And the ALP says No!

  90. Snoopy

    And the ALP says No!

    They did say no to something but I’m not sure Shorten or even Turnbull knew what it was. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t what I described though.

  91. Re enable the Constitution.
    Remove all the stuff the Federal government has arrogated to itself like Health, Education, Welfare, and Taxation.
    Make the States compete.
    Drain The Billabong!
    Make Australia Orright!

  92. .

    Re enable the Constitution.

    Won’t work.

    Remove all the stuff the Federal government has arrogated to itself like Health, Education, Welfare, and Taxation.

    The excise power, nationhood power, Cole v Whitfield, abuse of corporations, external affairs and grants power – unreformable.

  93. True Aussie

    How about we just wall off Sydney Melbourne and Canberra from the rest of Australia. Improved demographics, the wealth stays where it is created and we get rid of the biggest scum in the land.

  94. Oh come on

    It requires nothing less than a full repeal and replace. The only reason not to do it – and it’s a very, very good reason – is that, for the foreseeable future, whatever replaces it will almost certainly be worse, and probably a lot worse.

  95. Pete of Freo

    The Federation is a joke, it only becomes important when the Eastern (mendicant) States are looking for wealth to plunder, and becomes less of an issue when it comes to Defence of the Nation or the protection of the parliamentary position of a South Australian bath-house loiterer. Tasmania, Victoria and South Australia should all be merged into one state and renamed “Failure”. NSW should secede and then see how well they do producing fuck-all wealth and unable to plunder WA and Qld. The ACT would then become the ghost-town it deserves to be.

  96. Robber Baron

    I’ve built a wall around my property. But that has not stopped the govermnent theiving from me.

  97. Ben G

    Leave the company tax to the federal government – any import duties/tarriffs that we have left as well – and have them do customs, defence and corporate law. The states could outsource functions like the ATO, Medicare & PBS to the federal government if they want, but they pony up the money to run it themselves.

    Give the states income tax and GST – but let them set their own limits. And they take responsibility for social security, education and labour laws. Would allow SA & Tas could have a lower award (given lower cost of livings) and maybe start competing for business, but if they don’t, well they don’t have money to spend on whatever they were going to waste it on

  98. Rococo Liberal

    Put simply we pissed off the kind of people who tend to own, run, and inherit businesses.

    This is the most important constituenecy in Australia. It was John Howard’s real focus group, in that he focused much of his government’s attention on it. His tax and superannuation policies were designed to make these people rich, and to increase the numbers of people who fitted into this class.
    Throughout the Howard government, I was advising these people, as they developed new businesses and revived old ones. A lot of them made a lot of money, and they weren’t taxed or regulated too much as they did it.
    But since Rudd came in, the government, aided by the media have lost the connection with the productive upper middle classes. The country is poorer as a result.
    We don’t incentives for big business. We need incentives for medium business. Their are some hopeful signs in the CGT sphere where the Turnbull government has introduced some good reforms. But there is more to do.

  99. Tator

    Ubique,
    Not fair, the ALP only got 35.8% of the primary vote last election and the Libs outpolled both the ALP and Greenfilth on primary votes and got 53-47 in the TPP but were screwed over by the Electoral Commissions long term erroneous decision to nominate two independent seats as nominally conservative and thus keep the status quo as both independents have supported the ALP to keep them in government. This biased electoral distribution has allegedly been re-balanced and there is some hope of the Libs holding it together for March next year as I reckon that the ALP will beat their 1993 record loss then. I could write the Liberals election campaign as the ALP have left a target rich environment to belt them with.
    So send all the lefties to Tasmania then there is no need for a wall, just a couple of patrol boats with orders to sink anyone heading back this way.

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