Open Forum: May 20, 2017

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  1. Gab

    How many people were in the car when JFK was shot?

    I thought it was four but looking at the Zapruder film, it looks like six. By the way, the second shot at JFK made his head recoil backwards – as if he’d been hit from the front of the vehicle. Never noticed that before.

  2. Anne

    2Corinthians 11:8

    I robbed other churches taking wages of them, to do you service.

    (Apostle Paul never robbed Churches.)

  3. Senile Old Guy

    Problematic (noun); thing that constitutes a problem.

    What’s problematic about that?

    Roger, your attitude is inappropriate and problematic. Please, in future, be mindful of the Cat community! (Now, time to make coffee, my new machine makes a delightfully flavourful cup.)

  4. OldOzzie

    Also for the Open Forum

    Why not look closely at The Education Department and Department of Energy and Environment for Budget Savings?

    The following applies to Australia

    TALK ABOUT LOW ENERGY!

    The U.S. Department of Education employs 4,400 people and has a current budget of $70 billion. How many children does the department actually educate? I am sure the round number approaches zero. I’ve had a few opportunities to ask liberal audiences aghast at Trump’s appointment of Betsy DeVos and alarmed at proposed budget cuts for the department to name one single thing a past secretary of education or the department has done that has had a meaningful effect on public education, and I can hear the crickets chirping while I await a response. I sometimes offer, “What about No Child Left Behind”? Most people on the left hate it (because it involved standards and testing), even though they can’t say very much about why (because it is an embarrassment to oppose standards and testing openly). Sometimes to twist the knife, I ask people to name three previous education secretaries. Hardly anyone can do it. Yet the Department of Education is a political sacred cow. It apparently runs on the principle of No Bureaucrat Left Behind (or Unemployed). Should be called the Department of No Education.

    Likewise we could do with some close scrutiny of the Department of Energy. Now 40 years old, just how much energy as the Department of Energy produced? It’s input-to-output ratio may be worse than the Department of Education. The great Mark Mills sums up the numbers for us in a terrific article this week in The Hill:

    After all these decades of government programs consuming some $500 billion in that pursuit, what’s happened?

    America uses 140 percent more oil for transportation today than it did in 1977. Electricity consumption is up 200 percent. (The recent slow growth in power demand looks a lot like a recession effect: we’ll soon know for sure when the economy fully recovers.) Lavishly subsidized biofuels have grown from an irrelevant 0.25 percent in 1977 to an unremarkable 5 percent share of transportation energy use today. Solar power rose from essentially zero, back then, to today’s irrelevant 0.15 percent share of U.S. energy. Wind power has been the biggest success: but even those heavily subsidized turbines now supply only 1.5 percent of America’s energy.

    The fundamental energy sources available to power society have remained unchanged not just since 1977 but since 1957. Politicians and pundits often intone that there are “a multitude” of new energy options, but that’s rhetorical hyperbole. There is no new physics in energy nor new energy sources, just better ways to use those that exist.

    The most remarkable and unpredicted energy tech change didn’t come from DOE or the super-major oil companies. Thousands of small and midsized companies perfected new shale oil and gas technologies and transformed the landscape. Shale tech has added 2,000 percent more to U.S. energy supply in the past decade than solar and wind combined. That’s the fastest and biggest addition to world energy supply — not just hydrocarbons, but all forms of energy — that has occurred in history.

  5. Anne

    1 Corinthians 13:13

    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

    What?

    It was Faith, Hope and Love and the greatest of these is Love.

  6. stackja

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2385067, posted on May 20, 2017 at 10:48 am

    The U.S. Army and Irregular Warfare, 1775-2007
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    The Roar of Lions: The Asymmetric Campaigns of Muhammad
    Russell G. Rodgers
    You loathed Medina when you visited it, and met roaring lions there.
    —Hassan bin Thabit, Muhammad’s poet.
    Quoted in Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, p. 489.
    Born in 570 AD, Muhammad was orphaned by the time he was six years old, being raised first by his paternal grandfather and later his uncle Abu Talib. While Abu Talib and the Hashim clan provided Muhammad with protection and position, he was still an orphan, and thus his inheritance—and claim to any leadership—was seriously threatened. Muhammad had to sense this keenly
    5 Muhammad at Mecca, p. 19.
    6 The lunar calendar has approximately 354 days.
    7 Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, pp. 64–67; Al-Tabari, p. 1075. Some have noted that Muhammad never made any references to Hubal in the Qur’an, thus generating speculation by some that Hubal and Allah are one and the same. There is little evidence to support such a claim. See Thomas Patrick Hughes, Dictionary of Islam (repr., Chicago, Ill.: Kazi Publications, 1994), p. 181.
    18 The U.S. Army and irregular warfare
    when he began to engage in merchant trade under his uncle.
    By the time he was twenty-five, he was still unmarried, having very little in assets to contract for a wife. He at last struck a deal with an older wealthy noblewoman named Khadijah and the two were married in 595. She was fifteen years his senior. With his marriage into a good family and access to his wife’s wealth, Muhammad was able to develop an economic and political base for himself. He began to assert himself within the community, such assertion coming to a head when he proclaimed his prophetic calling for the god Allah when he was forty years old. His first converts were within his own family, a parallel similar to other revolutionaries such as Mao Tse-tung. After that, he received the support of a rising merchant named Abu Bakr, who not only committed financial resources, but recruited others from outside the elite. In fact, Abu Bakr’s support was crucial to Muhammad’s movement, raising the question as to whether or not he may have been the true power behind the movement. At this point, it must be understood what Muhammad was asking of his peers and elders within the Quraysh when he called them to Islam. While typically explained as peace and submission to Allah, in fact Islam is more consonant with temporal political submission, which was revealed by the way it was applied.10 Thus, when Muhammad called those around him to Islam, he was calling on them to give submission primarily to himself and not to Allah. One episode that clearly explains this occurred in Makkah prior to the Prophet’s migration to Madinah. Muhammad called a number of the leaders of the Quraysh to have a meal with him, after which he called them to Islam. Nobody stirred until finally young, scrawny Ali, son of Abu Talib, rose up to say he would support the Prophet. Muhammad placed his hand on the back of Ali’s neck and said that the young man would be his brother and successor. The latter in Arabic is khalifa, and thus was laid the seeds of the later Sunni-Shi’ia controversy. When the elders heard this, they turned to Abu Talib in astonishment and said, “He has commanded you to listen to your son and to obey him!”11 These elders understood exactly what Islam meant, being the submission tendered first and foremost to the man Muhammad.12

    20 The U.S. Army and irregular warfare
    But Muhammad went beyond direct proclamations by cultivating a fifth column within the elite of Makkah itself. While there is no evidence to say that Abu Talib ever became a Muslim, he certainly used his leadership in the Hashim clan to protect Muhammad from physical harm. But a more important personage was found in Muhammad’s uncle al-Abbas bin Abdul Muttalib. Al-Abbas was a man of considerable wealth and position in the Qurayshi elite, being both an active merchant and one who extensively loaned money—essentially a banker. His position also made him a valuable conduit for information, and, throughout Muhammad’s campaign against the Quraysh, al-Abbas provided money, supplies, and intelligence to his nephew in support of his operations.19 Incredibly, his activities never seemed to arouse the suspicions of other leaders within the Quraysh. Indeed, it is possible that others in the Quraysh unknown to us today were also recruited to support Muhammad’s activities and thus refused to stop al-Abbas, or even assisted him. An active fifth column within the ranks of the Quraysh would be a constant problem for them until the fall of Makkah in 630 AD.
    While violence against converts to Islam was minimal, with only two killed in seven years and even this is in dispute, some of the Quraysh finally lost patience with Muhammad.20 They first offered Muhammad the title of King of Makkah, but he refused this, as to accept would mean he had received his authority at their hands. Next, they tried a boycott of the Hashim clan, which lasted three years but lacked substance as some within the Quraysh violated the terms and sent supplies to those proscribed. When the boycott collapsed, some of the Qurayshi leaders finally made a halfhearted attempt to murder Muhammad. He and his converts, over a number of months, migrated north to Yathrib, later called Madinah, where Muhammad had relatives who were willing to protect him.21 Moreover, he had managed to convince two of the main tribes there, the al-Khazraj and al-Aws, to allow him to be the judge over their disputes. In making the Second Pledge of Aqabah, the tribal leaders of these two groups told Muhammad that making the covenant with him would require that they break their treaties with the major Jewish tribes in Madinah.
    19 Battlefields of the Prophet Muhammad, p. 120; Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, pp. 301, 309; Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Jarir al-Tabari, The History of al-Tabari, vol. 7, The Foundation of the Community, trans. M.V. McDonald (Albany: State University of New York, 1987), pp. 1344–45. Al-Abbas was present at the Battle of Badr, but Muhammad noted that he was there against his will. He ensured his uncle was protected and coolly demanded a ransom from him for his release so as to maintain his cover.
    20 Maulana Muhammad Ali, Muhammad the Prophet (Columbus, Ohio: Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam Lahore, 1993), p. 50. This author is one of the few writing on Muhammad to mention these deaths, basing them partly on Ibn Sa’d’s The Women of Madina, trans. Aisha Bewley (London: Ta-Ha Publishers, 1997), pp. 185–86. Sa’d’s account seems apocryphal as it is unlikely Abu Jahl could have gotten away with open murder without inciting some type
    of blood feud.
    21 The City. The longer title, al-Madinatu ‘n-Nabi, means The City of the Prophet.
    The Roa r of Lions 21
    Muhammad concurred and supported this action, information that was apparently kept from the Jewish tribal leaders.22 He had set himself on the road of armed conflict within the very community to which he was migrating. With the migration to Madinah in 622, Muhammad now had a relatively secure base of operations. However, this base had internal problems, both with the tribes who supported him as well as with the three major Jewish tribes that refused to enter into a formal treaty with him. Muhammad and his approximately one hundred other emigrants established the Covenant of Madinah, in which he laid out the basic functions of government in the town, the relations of the covenanting tribes to each other, and the fact that none would aid the Quraysh.23 While minor Jewish clans entered into this agreement, the three major Jewish tribes, the Banu Qaynuqa, al-Nadir, and Qurayzah, were not included.24 This is a critical issue, often neglected or distorted in histories and biographies.
    Muhammad set out to organize his base and prepare to engage the Quraysh at their weakest link—their economic livelihood. The mission was, in the words of his closest supporter Abu Bakr, to bring people to Allah and the right path, and “those who deviated from it, they were punished by the Messenger of Allah till they became Muslim.”25 Within Madinah, there were two groups of Muslims: the muhajirin, or emigrants from Makkah, and the ansar, or helpers who already resided there. With only a few exceptions, the muhajirin did not engage in much productive work, although they were apparently supposed to in order to assist the ansar in harvesting the latter’s date crop.26 Instead, many of the muhajirin resided in the suffah, a section of Muhammad’s newly built mosque where unemployed families awaited largess as well as recruitment for various razzias, or raids.27 The latter, being a distasteful term from the “days of ignorance,” or jahiliyyah, was changed to ghazwah or sariyyah—expeditions.28

    Probably go to moderation! With suspect words!

  7. Chris

    Ummm, who are we at war with now?

    Tel, you were always sharp. But I am onto you.
    Its turtles all the way down.

  8. Anne

    The Bible has been changed to bring in the One World Religion of the Antichrist.

    There have been thousands of changes.

    Trust your memory.

    Check it out yourself.

  9. .

    Seriously – who are “we” at war with now? Australia’s contribution to the fight against ISIS is laughable, the US morally owes us nothing, it may as well treat us as though we have repudiated the alliance.

    Have you watched citizen four yet?

  10. Libby Zee

    Grigory didn’t ask the questions, Dot. I asked them. Do you know the answers?

  11. Roger

    And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

    What?

    The AV translators probably went with charity because the Vulgate’s rendering was very much part of the common memory: Nunc autem manent fides, spes, caritas, tria hæc: major autem horum est caritas.

    Paul used agape, which means love, but in a special sense; see CS Lewis’s The Four Loves.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    That would be “agape” Anne.

    Agape

    Agape (Ancient Greek ἀγάπη, agápē) is a Greco-Christian term referring to “love: the highest form of love, charity”, and “the love of God for man and of man for God”.[1] Not to be confused with philia – brotherly love – agape embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends, that serves regardless of circumstances.

    People mistake English meanings for Greek meanings. You have to crosscheck to make sure you understand what is being written, and not fool yourself.

  13. .

    Libby Zee
    #2385105, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:19 am
    Grigory didn’t ask the questions, Dot. I asked them. Do you know the answers?

    I reckon Grigory would know. Hey, I’m only trying to help.

  14. C.L.

    Ahahahaha.
    Time magazine runs cover of White House morphing into the Kremlin…
    But they accidentally used St Basil’s.

  15. Chris

    Ancient Geek is a wonderful language full of rich meanings we know not in Englitch.
    I particularly like the word (I can’t remember), which means roughly ‘the righteous anger of an aristocratic master against his slave’.
    Arete in action; agile and innovative.

  16. Zyconoclast

    Assange now a free man.

    Ooops not quite –

    However, police in London said they would still be obliged to arrest him if he left.(the embassy)

    Good to see he is being treated the same as the Islamic child abuse rings in the U.K.
    Plod never sleeps.

  17. Chris

    Trust your memory.

    Trust, but verify.

  18. Tel

    Tel, you were always sharp. But I am onto you.
    Its turtles all the way down.

    There’s a good chap, just provide a link to the most recent declaration of war.

  19. Anne

    Luke 19:27 used to say-
    But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and shew them before me.

    It now says SLAY them before me!

    Seriously! Is no one bothered by this?

    Not even the Christians?

  20. Anne

    Trust your memory.

    Trust, but verify.

    Chris, I’ve just explained to you.

    You can’t verify.

    History/ Reality has been changed!

  21. Bruce of Newcastle

    Luke 19:27 used to say

    It’s the parable of the talents Anne. Try reading the whole thing for context.

    Luke 19:11-27

  22. Chris

    Oooh, thanks Anne!
    Have you ever read at richardwebster.net? Richard is dead now, but wrote terrific stuff on false accusations, the recovered memory fad and some major UK injustices like the Police trawling scandal and the wild claims about that Jersey childrens home. Not quite as much flair as Theodore Dalrymple but focusing likea laser on the real roots of terrible injustices.
    His submission on similar fact evidence, I thought, was a marvel of clarity.

  23. notafan

    Rumpelstiltskin exposed ‘Anne’ as a DrsD sock-puppet quite a while ago. around the time he denounced the fake Melbournians and their fake get togethers, even Montystimp is mindful of that.

    The surfeit of sockpuppets in the afore-mentioned Cat community is definitely problematic, though some consider it to be merely inappropriate, in the same kind of way that a pineapple donut is flavourful but an apricot is not.

  24. stackja

    Anne
    #2385116, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:30 am
    Luke 19:27 used to say-
    But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and shew them before me.

    It now says SLAY them before me!

    Seriously! Is no one bothered by this?

    Not even the Christians?

    KJV says:
    19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.


    Definition of shew in English:

    shew
    VERB
    old-fashioned spelling of show

  25. Chris

    Seriously! Is no one bothered by this?

    Not even the Christians?

    Why would it bother us? Jesus is using parables (talents and vineyard tenants) to say what the Lord will do to the people who again and again slaughtered his prophets, and will do to reward the ones who really served him. Jesus was really sticking it to The Man.

  26. .

    notafan
    #2385124, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:43 am
    Rumpelstiltskin exposed ‘Anne’ as a DrsD sock-puppet quite a while ago. around the time he denounced the fake Melbournians and their fake get togethers, even Montystimp is mindful of that.

    The surfeit of sockpuppets in the afore-mentioned Cat community is definitely problematic, though some consider it to be merely inappropriate, in the same kind of way that a pineapple donut is flavourful but an apricot is not.

    Mum. I’m confused. Weren’t we going to the mall?

  27. stackja

    notafan
    #2385124, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Keeps things ‘interesting’.
    Sinc finally decides who says what.

  28. Roger

    Luke 19:27 used to say-
    But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and shew them before me. It now says SLAY them before me! Seriously! Is no one bothered by this? Not even the Christians?

    No, because all the most reliable Greek texts use κατασφάξατε. an aorist imperative verb in the 2nd person plural meaning “slay”. (Which version used “shew”, btw?)

    I could sit here all day and parse your examples, Anne, but I fear it wouldn’t make any difference to you, which is a concern.

    You are right in this, though: the Antichrist is a religious figure who “sets himself up in God’s temple proclaiming himself to be God” (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

    The changes in Bible translations you reference, however, have nothing to do with this. Of greater concern is the outright denial of Biblical teaching by clergy and theologians who thereby become “anti-Christ”.

  29. notafan

    What is this thing called mall?

  30. notafan

    I was making jokes, as lame as possible.

    Sheesh.

  31. Tel

    Chris, I’ve just explained to you.

    You can’t verify.

    History/ Reality has been changed!

    Only the block chain can be trusted.

  32. stackja

    Chris
    #2385130, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:45 am
    Seriously! Is no one bothered by this?

    Not even the Christians?

    Why would it bother us? Jesus is using parables (talents and vineyard tenants) to say what the Lord will do to the people who again and again slaughtered his prophets, and will do to reward the ones who really served him. Jesus was really sticking it to The Man.

    KJV was a good version for the time. Basically still the same meaning.
    I probably hear a different translation on Sundays.
    But again the meaning does not change.
    Anyway a change to all the MSM BS.

  33. duncanm

    Ann Coulter‏Verified account @AnnCoulter

    I suspect that pleading guilty to a sex crime w/ a minor is merely Anthony Weiner’s cynical attempt to curry favor with the Democratic base.

  34. duncanm

    If we haven’t reached peak stupidity yet, we must be almost there, surely?

    its a false summit – the Universe of stupid is boundless.

  35. .

    Ann Coulter‏Verified account @AnnCoulter

    I suspect that pleading guilty to a sex crime w/ a minor is merely Anthony Weiner’s cynical attempt to curry favor with the Democratic base.

    This is why as a public figure, Coulter does more damage to conservatives than good.

    I doubt she’s going to turn the voters of CA into conservatives by calling them sex offenders.

  36. Roger

    Say, if CA doesn’t reach a pay agreement with ACA, will Australia A or some such team be our Ashes squad?

    Will they be viewed scabs?

    And what if they win?

  37. stackja

    Roger
    #2385133, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:48 am
    Of greater concern is the outright denial of Biblical teaching by clergy and theologians who thereby become “anti-Christ”.

    Like MSM with socialist politics and economists with Keynes.

  38. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anne – If you haven’t worked it out, Jesus is that king who will return as he said he would.
    Whereupon he will judge the quick and the dead (1 Tim 4:1-2) – as to what they’ve done with the mina God gave them.

  39. H B Bear

    I suspect Weiner is just trying to avoid becoming another lump in the Clinton Crime Family rug?

  40. Rev. Archibald

    I will tell you the problem with “problematic” Roger.
    It is used in the same way “inappropriate” is, by the same sort of people.
    In other words, to obfuscate and bullshit.
    You see, they never get around to explaining the problem with the ‘problematic” thing, or to explain the reason for the inapproprianess of the inappropriate thing.
    It’s just a massive “shut the fuck up”.
    And once “the community”ie: a handful of fuckwits and busybodies, has decided the appropriateness or not of the problematic, the rest if us have to go along.
    But unless you get on the wrong end of this stupidity on a regular basis, like I do, then you probably think they are just words and no big deal.
    The flavourful thing, I don’t know where that came from. I never heard it before a few years ago, now everyone is saying it.
    It grates.

  41. Roger

    Like MSM with socialist politics and economists with Keynes.

    As bad as they are, stacks, the consequences of their lies only effect our temporal lives.

    Apostasy has eternal consequences.

  42. Rev. Archibald

    .
    #2385060, posted on May 20, 2017 at 10:45 am
    You tell me Grigory, you’re a solicitor.

    ..
    The future in Idiocracy is looking benign compared to our actual course.
    Who would have thought a few years ago that movie was optimistic?

  43. Rev. Archibald

    Quote fail.

    duncanm
    #2385142, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:55 am
    If we haven’t reached peak stupidity yet, we must be almost there, surely?

    its a false summit – the Universe of stupid is boundless.

  44. Tom

    What is this thing called mall?

    When near enough to 330 million Americans, compared with 20 million+ of us, speak English as a first language, it’s just a benevolent inertia that we borrow their nicknames and figures of speech. In an interconnected, high-velocity-communications world, the idea that we are surrendering our culture to someone else’s by our choice of words is ludicrous IMO. Using Americanisms in our speech has been going on for 100 years and is the most natural thing in the world. Resisting it is the lingual equivalent of Malthusianism.
    Now let’s talk about Stalinists in the Filth and elsewhere really trying to destroy our culture.

  45. Rev. Archibald

    In most cases the American usage is the earlier, and the more consistent and correct one.

  46. Bruce of Newcastle

    This is why as a public figure, Coulter does more damage to conservatives than good.

    Dot – She’s certainly been more acerbic lately, but that tweet may be referring to this rather extraordinary claim today:

    Biden Bashes Hillary: “She Was Never A Great Candidate, I Was A Great Candidate”

    All you have to do is search ‘Biden groping pictures’ and you can see what I mean. He’s delusional.

  47. Mrs D,

    Shirley Strachan threw me into a swimming pool. I was wearing my best dress.

    Let’s work through this, eh?
    1. How old were you?
    2. Was the dress made of sheer cotton?
    3. Was underwear present?

    There just may be extenuating circumstances here.
    Just sayin’

  48. stackja

    Roger
    #2385152, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:00 pm
    Like MSM with socialist politics and economists with Keynes.

    As bad as they are, stacks, the consequences of their lies only effect our temporal lives.

    Apostasy has eternal consequences.

    I let my BS meter handle Apostasy both temporal and eternal.

  49. old bloke

    Anne
    #2385116, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:30 am

    Luke 19:27 used to say-
    But those mine enemies which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither and shew them before me.

    Which version of the Bible are you referring to Anne? I can’t find it in this list.

  50. Roger

    But unless you get on the wrong end of this stupidity on a regular basis, like I do, then you probably think they are just words and no big deal.

    I am, happily, not regularly subjected to the abuse of the English language that corporate and public service types introduced in the 1980s (I remember a special episode of Rumpole that had a lot of fun with this). To me they are just words, although I don’t think I’ll ever have much use for “flavourful”.

  51. Fisky

    When near enough to 330 million Americans, compared with 20 million+ of us, speak English as a first language, it’s just a benevolent inertia that we borrow their nicknames and figures of speech. In an interconnected, high-velocity-communications world, the idea that we are surrendering our culture to someone else’s by our choice of words is ludicrous IMO. Using Americanisms in our speech has been going on for 100 years and is the most natural thing in the world. Resisting it is the lingual equivalent of Malthusianism.

    Indeed. We don’t drive lorries or vote Labour in this country.

  52. notafan

    Oh dear Tom,

    I’m well aware of Americanisms which I have no actual objection to, even though we still don’t use that term here, and I didn’t really think I was committing the crime of the century by responding to dot’s jocular comment in a similarly jocular fashion, because you know, I am not ‘literally’ his mother.

    Literally.

  53. Chris

    Seriously – who are “we” at war with now? Australia’s contribution to the fight against ISIS is laughable, the US morally owes us nothing, it may as well treat us as though we have repudiated the alliance.

    Have you watched citizen four yet?

    Seriously dot I have not watched citizen four. I find that acclaimed movies are usually shite of the Oliver Stone JFK sort, terribly manipulative and not truthful on facts.

    As to who ‘we’ are at war with, I hold that war does not require us to declare it; it only requires an enemy to show by their actions that war is happening. Current wars we are in:
    Global jihad by reactionary islamofascism against western civilisation and western values.
    War by Iranian-sponsored terrorists Hezbollah and Hamas against America, Israel and Jews generally, as well as competing Sunni power blocs.
    Global war of political correctness against rationality.

  54. notafan

    I thought Webster made intention changes to a lot of words to try to make American English distinctive?

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Annie are you okay? Are you okay Annie?

  56. stackja

    Fisky
    #2385166, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    Program and Programme.

  57. stackja

    notafan
    #2385171, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    I thought Webster made intention changes to a lot of words to try to make American English distinctive?

    As I remember the story, Webster was full of revolutionary fervor.

  58. Stimpson J. Cat

    Montystimp

    OK that is going too far.
    I’m out until you learn the error of your ways.
    Outrageous.

  59. stackja

    Doctors praised for same-sex marriage push
    Australian Associated Press
    15 minutes ago
    Advocates and a senior Labor frontbencher have praised the Australian Medical Association for coming out in support of same-sex marriage.

    President Michael Gannon has penned letters to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Labor leader Bill Shorten calling for a bipartisan approach.

    “It is often forgotten that, at the core of this debate, are real people and families. It’s time to put an end to this protracted, damaging debate so that they can get on with their lives,” Dr Gannon said in a statement on Saturday.

    “As long as the discrimination against LGBTIQ people continues, they will continue to experience poorer health outcomes as a result.”

    Marriage equality advocates welcomed the AMA’s statement.

    “The AMA has highlighted what we have known for many years – legal inequality leads directly to poorer health outcomes for LGBTI people,” just.equal spokesperson Ivan Hinton-Teoh said in a statement.

    “If this government cares about the health and wellbeing of LGBTI Australians and their families it will allow a free vote so marriage equality can pass straight away.”

    Deputy Labor leader Tanya Plibersek said the support was terrific.

    “I know that a lot of doctors … had grave concerns about what a plebiscite would do to the mental health of people who would be subjected to public discussion and assessment of the worth of their relationships,” she told reporters in Sydney.

    Ms Plibersek said the parliament could legislate for marriage equality when it resumed next week if it wanted to.

    “That’s the way forward,” she said.

  60. .

    Americanisms with British spelling is the way to go.

    Except “gasoline”. It’s petrol.

  61. Roger

    I thought Webster made intention changes to a lot of words to try to make American English distinctive?

    I think his intention was more to simplify spelling than be intentionally idiosyncratic.

  62. .

    If only the AMA went full SJW retard. They’d perhaps stop plotting to screw the consumer.

  63. C.L.

    AMA demands overthrow of marriage:

    Doctors praised for same-sex marriage push.

    Advocates and a senior Labor frontbencher have praised the Australian Medical Association for coming out in support of same-sex marriage.

    President Michael Gannon has penned letters to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Labor leader Bill Shorten calling for a bipartisan approach.

    “It is often forgotten that, at the core of this debate, are real people and families. It’s time to put an end to this protracted, damaging debate so that they can get on with their lives,” Dr Gannon said in a statement on Saturday.

    “As long as the discrimination against LGBTIQ people continues, they will continue to experience poorer health outcomes as a result.”

    Marriage equality advocates welcomed the AMA’s statement.

  64. notafan

    Was that inappropriate Stimp?

    Should I be more mindful of your place in the community?

    Seems my behaviour is problematic for you.

    Heartfelt apologies.

  65. notafan

    “I know that a lot of doctors … had grave concerns about what a plebiscite would do to the mental health of people who would be subjected to public discussion and assessment of the worth of their relationships,” she told reporters in Sydney.

    But they will still know what we all think, right?

  66. stackja

    Magnitude 6.0 quake hits Philippines
    Reuters
    13 minutes ago

    USGS
    M 5.9 – 23km S of Loay, Philippines
    Time 2017-05-20 01:06:13 (UTC) Location 9.390°N 123.979°E Depth 521.0 km

  67. Libby Zee

    Definition of shew in English:
    shew
    VERB
    old-fashioned spelling of show

    Pronunciation of Shrewsbury. Can be Shrewsbury (as in shrew … the taming of) or Shrowsbury. And either is acceptable, even among those who actually live there.

  68. Rev. Archibald

    Gasoline or gasolene?

  69. .

    But they will still know what we all think, right?

    Forget Trump. Doctors are God.

  70. Sparkx

    Doctors praised for same-sex marriage push
    Australian Associated Press
    15 minutes ago
    Advocates and a senior Labor frontbencher have praised the Australian Medical Association for coming out in support of same-sex marriage.

    What a heap of bullsh*t. Tell the poor little qwerty snowflakes to stop moaning and get on with their lives. Previous generations of gay people have managed very well thank you.

  71. Senile Old Guy

    Advocates and a senior Labor frontbencher have praised the Australian Medical Association for coming out in support of same-sex marriage. President Michael Gannon has penned letters to Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Labor leader Bill Shorten calling for a bipartisan approach. “It is often forgotten that, at the core of this debate, are real people and families. It’s time to put an end to this protracted, damaging debate so that they can get on with their lives,” Dr Gannon said in a statement on Saturday.

    That is pure emotional blackmail: “Do it or those people will be hurt.” It this gambit is used successfully in this debate it will used again in other debates.

    I will add that most of the hateful stuff I have seen and heard has come from SSM supporters and is directed at those in favour of traditional marriage.

  72. .

    Why rip into gays? They might or might not want SSM, but you can’t say the AMA, ALP or self-appointed advocates speak for them.

  73. Hydra

    When near enough to 330 million Americans, compared with 20 million+ of us, speak English as a first language, it’s just a benevolent inertia that we borrow their nicknames and figures of speech. In an interconnected, high-velocity-communications world, the idea that we are surrendering our culture to someone else’s by our choice of words is ludicrous IMO. Using Americanisms in our speech has been going on for 100 years and is the most natural thing in the world. Resisting it is the lingual equivalent of Malthusianism.

    In the LA offices of my ASX listed client they use a lot of Australian words naturally as they always have aussies dropping in and out.

  74. I was quietly playing on the old fred and noticed everyone had gone home:

    Old School Conservative;

    ATO fraud.
    Destroyers not operational.
    Census hacked.
    NBN a financial catastrophe.
    Billions of tertiary education loans not repaid.
    Yet not one politician has taken full responsibility and resigned. No senior public servant has been fired.
    No wonder slackness is the order of the day in Canberra.

    We have a Governance catastrophe slowly being uncovered.
    The problem of course, is what can the man in the street do about it?
    Voting the bastards out has made no difference, and if we look at the last ten years of elections, the citizens of this nation have effectively lost control of an unelected Dictatorship of the Bureaucracy.
    Our Protected Elites are out of control and show no ability or inclination to rein themselves in.

  75. Snoopy

    Ninety seven percent of doctors agree discrimination causes mental illness.

  76. stackja

    notafan
    #2385185, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:28 pm

    AMA/ALP since Doctors Reform Society

    Doctors Reform Society of Australia
    The Doctors Reform Society of Australia (DRS), set up in 1973, is a medico-political thinktank and a medical association of medical practitioners and medical students that has advocated a range of alternative views to those of the Australian Medical Association.
    Their initial focus was on universal health care or health insurance leading up to the establishment of the then “Medibank”, now Medicare Australia. The DRS publishes the New Doctor journal.

    Dr Andrew Refshauge,

    And Brian Owler

  77. Libby Zee

    Heartfelt apologies.

    Such effusive sincerity is rare.

  78. old bloke

    .
    #2385181, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    If only the AMA went full SJW retard. They’d perhaps stop plotting to screw the consumer.

    The AMA has long gone “full SJW retard”, just look at their pronouncements regarding “climate change”. Why do doctors, who are generally knowledgeable and intelligent people, belong to an organisation such as the AMA?

  79. Snoopy

    Have the results of the investigation into the census ‘hacking’ been released?

  80. one old bruce

    I’ll stand with Stimp. We Replicants (Republicants? Sounds cool) gotta stick together. Until our allotted 4 years are up anyways. And then it’s…tears in the rain.

  81. notafan

    A new academic hoax: a bogus paper on “the conceptual penis” gets published in a “high quality peer-reviewed” social science journal


    Saturday arvo entertainment

  82. .

    Anyone see the CPSU ad “less ATO staff, more tax dodgers…” dated May 6 this year?

  83. Roger

    Why do doctors, who are generally knowledgeable and intelligent people, belong to an organisation such as the AMA?

    Best estimate is that 70% don’t.

  84. Snoopy

    Why do doctors, who are generally knowledgeable and intelligent people, belong to an organisation such as the AMA?

    It’s a question I put to my GP. His embarrassment was apparent. He mumbled something like, “Yeah, I know, but there are some benefits”.

    Everyone should ask their GP this question.

  85. Oh come on

    How to spot an ideologue who doesn’t give a shit about principle – they make a massive deal out of flimsy, petty and/or ridiculous claims about their opponent:

    m0nty
    #2383934, posted on May 19, 2017 at 10:29 am
    So, a summary of the Deep State leaks overnight:

    – Flynn vetoed an attack on ISIS using Kurdish troops while he was being paid by the Turks (the Turks hate the Kurds)
    – Trump knew Flynn was under investigation for foreign bribes when he hired him
    – Trump is still in contact with Flynn
    – a further 18 previously undisclosed contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives
    – House majority leader McCarthy told colleagues last year that Putin pays Trump
    – spokespeople for Ryan and McCarthy flat out denied previous story before the tape came out

    And that was after the leaks about Trump burning Mossad plus the Mueller appointment.

    while simultaneously ridiculing claims about their ally as flimsy or petty:

    m0nty
    #2383947, posted on May 19, 2017 at 10:37 am

    F.M.D.
    Wussia investigator Mueller personally delivered enriched uranium to Russian government.

    Ten grams! Wow! You could, like, blow up a phone box with that much fissionable material. (The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima had 64kg of uranium.)

  86. one old bruce

    Sock puppets? How do you know separate people exist anyway? Kind of an arbitrary distinction.

    Maybe there are just a handful of people and the rest is Matte work. Or clones. The roles tend to be similar, angels and devils engaged in primeval struggle. ‘Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven’

  87. Chris

    Maybe they should have put it somewhere else.

    Maybe they should not ‘assume the consequent’.

  88. Nick

    Rumpelstiltskin exposed ‘Anne’ as a DrsD sock-puppet quite a while ago. around the time he denounced the fake Melbournians and their fake get togethers, even Montystimp is mindful of that.

    Eh?

  89. one old bruce

    I’ve been around a while, hence ‘old’. I do believe I invented the sockpuppet about 2003/4 on the old Tim Blair blogs. Or about the time they started Larvatus Rodeo.

    It was one night we were having this so serious debate with whoever, and it occurred to me that I could just use ‘his’ monicker and post a silly incriminating comment to make ‘him’ look foolish, so I did, not too cleverly. They went to registered commenters soon after. Was that me? Did I do that?

    Looking back I’m surprised how few comments I actually made though. I think I wrecked Currency Lad’s old blog with obsessive comments too. About stuff which interests me such as Alasdaire MacIntyre, Classical Chinese, and Zoroastrianism. Threadkiller I have nicknamed myself. Of course Homer was ever present on the old CL comments, grinding on like an old hurdy gurdy. Sigh.

  90. Infidel Tiger

    Dr Gannon is an obstetrician so naturally he is crazy for abortion, homos, banning stuff, leftism and promoting doctors as deities.

    Believe it or not he is an improvement on his predecessor.

  91. Oh come on

    English’s strength is its flexibility. The fact that it lacks a central authority which determines what is and isn’t correct English – this being governed by a mass consensus of English language users. This consensus is informed by a combination of convention, past practice and the influence of the modern world. It is consequently a very adaptable language.

    Re: US English, a great deal of what we regard as US English originated from the work of one man, John Webster. From my understanding, his goal was to Anglicise English, to actually make it less French, and so in his dictionary, ‘favour’ became ‘favor’, ‘centre’ became ‘center’ and so on and so forth. So it isn’t unreasonable to say that many examples of American English are arguably ‘more English than the English’. Or at least more English than British English.

    Oh, and one thing that always pisses me off about language snobs who tediously correct the use of ‘gotten’ as the past participle of ‘get’ – actually, ‘gotten’ used to be the past participle of ‘get’ wherever English was spoken, but over time ‘gotten’ fell out of use in the UK in favour of ‘got’, whilst it was retained in the US. So ‘gotten’ is not an Americanism in the way that ‘color’ is, for example.

  92. Oh come on

    John Webster? Noah Webster.

  93. .

    Of course Homer was ever present on the old CL comments, grinding on like an old hurdy gurdy.

    Was he a crypto-fascist back then? Or was it his opposition to Adam Tooze that drove him around the bend, defending Keynes into a dark corner no one ought venture into?

  94. while simultaneously ridiculing claims about their ally as flimsy or petty

    Amount of enriched uranium Mueller delivered to the Russians for forensic analysis: 10 grams

    Amount of enriched uranium Russia has stockpiled, as of 2015: 679 tonnes, or 679,000,000 grams.

    This is one of your more stupid talking points. It’s a very tough competition, that one.

  95. cohenite

    His submission on similar fact evidence, I thought, was a marvel of clarity.

    Is there a link to this paragon?

  96. .

    Oh, and one thing that always pisses me off about language snobs who tediously correct the use of ‘gotten’ as the past participle of ‘get’ – actually, ‘gotten’ used to be the past participle of ‘get’ wherever English was spoken, but over time ‘gotten’ fell out of use in the UK in favour of ‘got’, whilst it was retained in the US. So ‘gotten’ is not an Americanism in the way that ‘color’ is, for example.

    This shit makes me laugh. Also the etymology of infer and imply compared to how we use them now.

  97. johanna

    Mohamed’s family announced they would be moving to Qatar shortly after Ahmed’s arrest.

    They did go to Qatar, and lasted only a few months before returning to the US where they busily started suing people.

    Seems that living in a Muslim theocracy is not all it’s cracked up to be. Quelle surprise!

    It reminds me of all those black Americans who went to live in Africa after “Roots” was on TV. They all slunk back in short order. Seems that living in an impoverished shithole is not all it’s cracked up to be, either.

    Perhaps that’s why all the “celebrities” who said they would move overseas if Trump won nominated rich white countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Not that they actually moved in the end, but still, there was a glimmer of awareness beneath their empty threats.

  98. John Constantine;

    A spokesperson from the Department says he “has been unstinting in his efforts to abolish the death penalty… “

    You know, John, he could, like, have just bloody well asked the people, you know?

  99. stackja

    Kiss Me, Kate
    From Wikipedia
    “Brush Up Your Shakespeare”
    Brush up your Shakespeare,
    Start quoting him now.
    Brush up your Shakespeare
    And the women you will wow.

  100. notafan

    Sorry Nick

    You must have missed that particular rant, they do tend to blur.

  101. .

    It reminds me of all those black Americans who went to live in Africa after “Roots” was on TV. They all slunk back in short order. Seems that living in an impoverished shithole is not all it’s cracked up to be, either.

    Jesus, was that really a thing? The commie warlords would have scared me off.

  102. Oh come on

    m0nty
    #2385228, posted on May 20, 2017 at 1:18 pm

    You have entirely missed the point. Which is hardly surprising, as you are a braindead ideologue (BIRM).

    Ask yourself, m0nty. If Michael Flynn had have delivered 10 grams of enriched uranium to the Russians, would you be so dismissive of the fact?

    Don’t bother answering. I already know the answer.

  103. rickw

    That is pure emotional blackmail: “Do it or those people will be hurt.” It this gambit is used successfully in this debate it will used again in other debates

    The reality is that every day people get “hurt” by the rampant promotion of all sorts of destructive “life choices “.

  104. Re: US English, a great deal of what we regard as US English originated from the work of one man, John Noah Webster.

    Webster was a crackpot. His unhinged crusade to create a new language was based on it being so far away to England that it didn’t matter if they had a different language, as the Two populaces would never be conversing anyway.

    John Quincy Adams (declaration: I am this site’s most strident declared John Quincy Adams supporter) bitterly opposed Webster.
    He should have thrown Webster down a well or something, then we’d all be a whole lot better off.
    It is mind-numbing that his Sarah Sea-Patrol style linguistic antics ever got off the ground.

    Anybody using the Webster dictionary should be burned at the stake for heresy (but not before any users of the Macquarie dictionary are put to death in a bath of fire ants or something).

  105. Boambee John

    m0nty

    You might (in your oxycodone induced fever of posting) have missed the purpose of the transfer.

    The US had obtained (how I know not) some enriched uranium being offered for sale in the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

    Uranium has chemical “fingerprints” that enable its source to be identified, the Russians wanted to identify the source, presumably to help identify the culprit.

  106. rickw

    I’m on the city circle tram. There’s a fucking big brother communist voiceover to the fucking tram journey. Apparently there’s some bridge inspired by indigenous fishing traps. Oh, don’t forget “Bungel” the indigenous eagle thing. FMD

  107. Ask yourself, m0nty. If Michael Flynn had have delivered 10 grams of enriched uranium to the Russians, would you be so dismissive of the fact?

    Yes I would. That amount of uranium is irrelevant.

    You might (in your oxycodone induced fever of posting) have missed the purpose of the transfer.

    The US had obtained (how I know not) some enriched uranium being offered for sale in the former Soviet republic of Georgia.

    Uranium has chemical “fingerprints” that enable its source to be identified, the Russians wanted to identify the source, presumably to help identify the culprit.

    Thanks for making my point for me, John.

  108. Nick

    Thanks Nota, I wasn’t sure.

  109. .

    Anybody using the Webster dictionary should be burned at the stake for heresy (but not before any users of the Macquarie dictionary are put to death in a bath of fire ants or something).

    The Macquarie Dictionary is the “official” Australian one. Used by courts of law when the LexisNexis Concise Legal Dictionary won’t suffice.

  110. Nick

    I’m on the city circle tram. There’s a fucking big brother communist voiceover to the fucking tram journey. Apparently there’s some bridge inspired by indigenous fishing traps. Oh, don’t forget “Bungel” the indigenous eagle thing. FMD

    Won’t be long now Rickw until they assert that not only is tram a derivative of the tribal, tramamatta, meaning to convey ones’ self along a track, that they also invented trams too.

  111. Apparently there’s some bridge inspired by indigenous fishing traps.

    I’d prefer a bridge inspired by the goal of keeping me dry and getting me to the other side of the chasm.

  112. The Macquarie Dictionary is the “official” Australian one. Used by courts of law when the LexisNexis Concise Legal Dictionary won’t suffice.

    Nobody is ever going to accuse Australian courts of being over-endowed with intelligence.

    (I’ve posted before on the utter stupidity courts get themselves into when using the Macquarie dictionary).

  113. calli

    You must have missed that particular rant, they do tend to blur.

    I didn’t. Lol. All those holograms drinking good vino and eating canapes.

  114. .

    (I’ve posted before on the utter stupidity courts get themselves into when using the Macquarie dictionary).

    I would like to know more.

  115. calli

    I’m on the city circle tram.

    Is that the free one in Melbourne? You get what you pay for.

  116. Neil;

    The company in charge of building Australia’s high-speed broadband network, which has 5000 staff, also appears to be spending more on coffee than all other major government departments and agencies, which have a combined total of about 155,000 staff.

    Now here’s an interesting thought, Neil.
    Who has the tender for supplying the machines?
    (I’ve just sent a query to NBN for the name.)

    I require the name of the company that has the contract to supply coffee machines and supplies to the NBN organisation.
    Ta.

    We’ll see what happens.

  117. DtjW

    Someone should tell Mr Abbott that the “the party…, the party…, the party…” sheet music he keeps singing from now seems contrived, or else he is deluded.
    I tune out to anything he has to say lately.
    He had his chance, with much support, to do something and failed. His constant propping of the Liberal Party has become nauseating.
    He is ultimately the reason we now have Maocon.

  118. Oh come on

    m0nty
    #2385243, posted on May 20, 2017 at 1:34 pm
    Ask yourself, m0nty. If Michael Flynn had have delivered 10 grams of enriched uranium to the Russians, would you be so dismissive of the fact?

    Yes I would. That amount of uranium is irrelevant.

    I simply don’t believe you. You are lying.

  119. Oh come on

    You would be screeching from the rooftops if Michael Flynn had have given the Russians 10 grams of enriched uranium, m0nty. You, I and everyone else here knows it. Drop the pretence – it’s pathetic.

  120. stackja

    Tailgunner
    #2385263, posted on May 20, 2017 at 2:02 pm

    YES!
    Ten Million Man Trump March on DC, June 30th.
    Bring it,bitches!!

    And MSM coverage?

  121. .

    RED PILL TV “JUDGE” KICKS BUTT AND HAS STANDARDS!

    Judge Rinder gets mad at the girls

    So much better than old Judge Judy.

  122. Chris

    one old Bruce I always wondered: who ended up with Paco Enterprises’ stock of Akkadian mead? Is Dolittle serving it at Cat soirees?
    I can’t even recall my handle there, but I claim priority to you on creation of a sock puppet. I was at the original Matilda forum in 1999 , when it was a single thread discussion board, and made a sock to argue for gun control, so as to improve my grasp of opponents thinking. My own side found him very very irritating.

  123. .

    Any dog breeders? I hope your dogs are married!

    More Judge Rinder.

  124. stackja

    Erin Molan on 2GB said she once called her father Bagdaddy.

  125. Libby Zee

    Dr Gannon supports trafficking little boys directly to homosexual p3dd-ofiles. Openly and directly it seems!

    How do you arrive at that conclusion?

  126. 12 Monkeys is back for another season.
    The first four episodes have just been posted.

  127. incoherent rambler

    fsck Microsloth. The bastards hung up on me during a support call!
    I guess they find it hard to take when their software fails.

  128. one old bruce

    That trumps me Chris. Although I did begin on ‘net forums in 98 I only thought of sockpuppeting in the noughties.

    The Mead? Wronwright became very elusive. Others here may know more.

  129. Libby Zee

    12 Monkeys is back for another season.
    The first four episodes have just been posted.

    The movie was excellent. We have not seen any of the tv series.

  130. True Aussie

    Seems that living in an impoverished shithole is not all it’s cracked up to be, either.

    And yet those same blacks are happy to turn their neighbourhoods into crime ridden filth and loot and burn down them down on the slightest pretext.

    Africans have not only never created a single civilization but they have demonstrated that they can’t even keep a civilization going without whitey’s help.

    Africans are so useless they need airheaded bimbos and hipster twinks along with tens of thousands of donated dollars to dig a well.

  131. .

    Africans have not only never created a single civilization

    You know what else is a shit splattered toilet?

  132. Makka

    By the way, the second shot at JFK made his head recoil backwards – as if he’d been hit from the front of the vehicle. Never noticed that before.

    That’s the problem.

    When the 2nd shot strikes JFK’s head, his head snaps back and to his left. At the angle from the shooting position Oswald was supposedly occupying, the angle of entry of the 2nd shot would have/should have been from the rear. Forcing JFK’s head forward and possibly a little left.

  133. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    When the 2nd shot strikes JFK’s head, his head snaps back and to his left. At the angle from the shooting position Oswald was supposedly occupying, the angle of entry of the 2nd shot would have/should have been from the rear. Forcing JFK’s head forward and possibly a little left.

    There’s quite a good explanation of the reason for that reaction in Gerard Posner’s book “Cased Closed.” Seems people being shot, in real life, don’t always behave as Hollywood would have you believe.

  134. Makka

    Why rip into gays? They might or might not want SSM, but you can’t say the AMA, ALP or self-appointed advocates speak for them.

    That’ right. Gaynazism has nothing to do with homo , SSM , rainbow garbage being shoved down our throat every where we go, see or listen. Nothing at all. It’s not the gays fault, is it? You are such a fkn dolt.

  135. entropy

    Africans are so useless they need airheaded bimbos and hipster twinks along with tens of thousands of donated dollars to dig a well.

    On that matter, my sister’s family are about to go to Vanuatu on something called a “fly and build” which as far as I can gather consists of a bunch of upper middle class good people (mostly white) who rock up with a bunch of prefabricated materials to some village to build a church/hall/ something else, to provide lotsa happy Facebook moments while the local villagers stand around and watch.

    Sadly my brother in law didn’t get it when I asked if he had the alias “John Frum”.

  136. Perhaps that’s why all the “celebrities” who said they would move overseas if Trump won nominated rich white countries like Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

    Hate to burst your bubble but with 30% of Australia’s population now being overseas born migrants, (and we’re not including their kids that have since been born here), there is no way you can continue to class Australia as a white country.

    One walk around Melbourne or Sydney will tell you that.

    The rich is also going the way of the NBN, NDIS, and CMFEU as well.

  137. Snoopy

    Africans have not only never created a single civilization

    Wrong.

  138. Oh come on

    Judge Rinder gets mad at the girls

    One look at Judge Rinder and surely you’d figure that any attempt by a female to use whatever they consider to be their feminine wiles to influence him would be a total non-starter.

  139. Snoopy,

    He’s not referring to North Africa. It’s Africans as a race, not Africa as a continent.

  140. Snoopy

    but they have demonstrated that they can’t even keep a civilization going without whitey’s help

    Remove all the non-whites from the Australian health system and see how you get on.

  141. .

    Makka
    #2385293, posted on May 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm
    Why rip into gays? They might or might not want SSM, but you can’t say the AMA, ALP or self-appointed advocates speak for them.

    That’ right. Gaynazism has nothing to do with homo , SSM , rainbow garbage being shoved down our throat every where we go, see or listen. Nothing at all. It’s not the gays fault, is it? You are such a fkn dolt.

    Keep this in mind when Malcolom Turnbull declares he speaks for you.

  142. Makka

    Keep this in mind when Malcolom Turnbull declares he speaks for you.

    H’s never spoken for me and never will.

  143. Snoopy

    Snoopy,

    He’s not referring to North Africa. It’s Africans as a race, not Africa as a continent.

    Neither am I. True Aussie is an ignorant dick..

  144. .

    Oh come on
    #2385297, posted on May 20, 2017 at 2:52 pm
    Judge Rinder gets mad at the girls

    One look at Judge Rinder and surely you’d figure that any attempt by a female to use whatever they consider to be their feminine wiles to influence him would be a total non-starter.

    He has excellent diction though. Which is also a hint.

  145. .

    He’s never spoken for me and never will.

    The penny drops, sort of.

  146. Splatacrobat

    When the 2nd shot strikes JFK’s head, his head snaps back and to his left. At the angle from the shooting position Oswald was supposedly occupying, the angle of entry of the 2nd shot would have/should have been from the rear. Forcing JFK’s head forward and possibly a little left.

    Hillary has done extensive research on this subject and can prove there was no second gunman.

  147. Makka

    The penny drops, sort of.

    You’re deflecting because you support SSM and the incarceration and or punishment of those who dissent. THAT is where legalising SSM ends up. You and the LDP will support SSM even without protections being legislated. That’s why you are turning this into a gay hate discussion – you want to disguise your embrace of the totalitarians and Christian haters because libertarianism.

  148. .

    You’re deflecting because you support SSM and the incarceration and or punishment of those who dissent.

    No you’re lying. This is fucking horrible. I have no ownership of this at all. You ought to apologise.

  149. Makka

    No you’re lying. This is fucking horrible. I have no ownership of this at all. You ought to apologise.

    I’m bang on target and you know it. Get stuffed.

  150. Top Ender

    Guess what will be happening in week one when the Shorten government win the election:

    Ms Plibersek said the parliament could legislate for marriage equality when it resumed next week if it wanted to.

    “That’s the way forward,” she said.

  151. Harlequin Decline

    Interesting liability situation with the ATO corruption. It seems an implied contract exists between the employee and employer such that the employer undertakes to pay the tax. Since the funds never appear in the employee’s account it seems that the ATO would logically go after the employer. The employer in turn could go after the payroll company.

    If they went after the employee they could argue they never had the option of receiving the pre tax amount and this was due the ATO/employer contract to deliver PAYG tax.

    If that turns out to be the case it could be a chance for all employees to be given the option of paying the tax themselves. Having the funds actually appear in your account and then having to begrudgingly pay out a large proportion to the Government tends to focus the mind.

    I think this would cause a much greater scrutiny of Government expenditure and probably swing a number of voters towards the smaller government/conservative side of politics.

  152. .

    No, you are completely wrong.

    You don’t like gays so you bring up this melodramatic nonsense. You’re blaming every gay or lesbian for the AMA speaking for them. That isn’t fair.

    There is no LDP policy that supports your thesis.

    If there was, I wouldn’t go along with it.

    The LDP policy involves protecting celebrants and repealing the Sex Discrimination Act, amongst other things, such as better protecting free speech.

    The churches have already been told to shut up under the Sex Discrimination Act – for actually saying they support the policy and legal status quo.

    I proudly support the LDP policy. Name another party that supports repealing the entire field of “discrimination” law.

  153. Snoopy

    I think this would cause a much greater scrutiny of Government expenditure and probably swing a number of voters towards the smaller government/conservative side of politics.

    So that’s that. It will never happen.

  154. Rebel Teacher

    Quietly lurking here.

    Very interesting discussions.

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Midland Gate expansion to bring Aldi, JB Hi-Fi and more
    Helen Shield, PerthNow
    May 20, 2017 11:29am

    VICINITY Centres has announced it will spend $100 million expanding its Midland Gate shopping centre to make space for Aldi, JB Hi-Fi, Harris Scarfe and another 35 specialty retailers.

    The expansion involves creating a fresh food precinct and a significant overhaul of its Cale Street casual dining strip in a bid to capitalise on anticipated population growth and to create a family friendly night-time destination.

    Doric Construction has been appointed to expand the centre, which is now anchored by Coles, Woolworths, Kmart, Big W, Target and Ace Cinemas, in stages with an early 2019 finish.

    This one’s for Sandgroper Cats.
    I hope there’s a bloody great sign outside that say “No swampies, or their revolting brats allowed.”

  156. Fisky

    The LDP policy involves protecting celebrants and repealing the Sex Discrimination Act, amongst other things, such as better protecting free speech.

    There is no prospect of repealing the Sex Discrimination Act at all, so I’m not sure why the LDP bothered to include that in their policy. The reality is that any gay marriage bill on offer will substantially impact on freedom of religion. As the LDP have never categorically ruled out voting for such a bill, Makka is entitled to promote the position that the LDP are against freedom of religion.

  157. Fisky

    https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/poor-discipline-bad-for-student-results-ng-b88414838z

    Discipline levels in Australian schools are below the OECD average, based on responses from students who took part in international tests.

    About one-third of Australian students in affluent schools and about half of those in disadvantaged schools who responded to surveys as part of the Program for Student Assessment reported that they experienced noise and disorder in most or every class.

    They said students did not listen to what the teacher said and that students found it difficult to learn.

    The full reports for PISA and a separate assessment, the Trends in Mathematics and Science Study, were released overnight by the Australian Council for Educational Research, several months after preliminary reports from both international assessments revealed a decline in Australian students’ achievement.

    The PISA report said: “Student reports indicated that many Australian schools have a poor climate of classroom discipline. Australia scored significantly lower than the OECD average on this index, indicating a more problematic situation than across the OECD.”

  158. Oh come on

    I expect you’re right, HD. Several of my contemporaries turned away from leftism when they entered the workforce, started earning decent money and began to resent the amount that was being withheld to cover their taxation liabilities. Some people, maybe many, perhaps most, need to explicitly see the effect of leftism working against their interests before they can reject it. Others do so on the basis of a rational process, but maybe not so many.

  159. .

    As the LDP have never categorically ruled out voting for such a bill, Makka is entitled to promote the position that the LDP are against freedom of religion.

    No, he can’t.

  160. Libby Zee

    Dot, as far as I have been able to ascertain, so long as Assange stayed inside the car he would retain his diplomatic immunity. It is, however, a long drive from London to Dover and it would seem fairly easy to engineer an ‘accident’ that might result in him having to leave the car and thereby lose his diplomatic immunity.

  161. .

    Grigory, that is a solicitor’s answer. I see you are taking the piss out of the comments today by mentioning an “engineered accident”.

  162. Makka

    The LDP policy involves protecting celebrants and repealing the Sex Discrimination Act, amongst other things, such as better protecting free speech.

    You have stated here that this so called policy is NOT conditional to supporting a vote on SSM. You would vote in SSM without those protections being FIRST solidly in place.

    You’re full of shit.

    I’m blaming the gay movement and all it’s supporters – like you – for shoving gayness down the throats of the normal other 97% of the us and for their/ your attempts to use the state to undermine our established norms, family and society. Yes you dotty, you don’t give a flying fk about these things because liberty etc .

  163. Libby Zee

    Dot, it’s not Grigorys answer or a solicitors answer … it’s my answer. I have raised the possibility of an engineered ‘accident’ as a way that the diplomatic immunity could be voided.

  164. johanna

    Fans of “Pawn Stars” might enjoy Rick Harrison’s interview on Fox about about the Trump presidency here.

    Rick is unashamedly pro-Trump, and I reckon his support is worth that of dozens of Hollywood luvvies. He is a sort of blue-collar Trump himself, both reality star and successful businessman with a strong family focus.

    I like Pawn Stars, not least because it provides fascinating insights into obscure corners of US history via the odd things that people bring into the shop. Rick is no dummy either. He knows a helluva lot about art, for instance, as well as the run-of-the-mill stuff like firearms and personal adornment items (f. you, Birdie, for forcing that circumlocution.)

  165. Oh come on

    This is the problem with the LDP. By insisting on ideological purity in certain areas, it leaves itself open to reality-based claims that I’m sure its members would reject, yet are nonetheless justifiable. One could easily argue that the LDP implicitly supports the destruction of the Australian economy based on its China policies, for example.

  166. Fisky

    You have stated here that this so called policy is NOT conditional to supporting a vote on SSM. You would vote in SSM without those protections being FIRST solidly in place.

    That’s right. The LDP have never stated that their support for SSM actually requires the LDP’s own conditions to be met. Which makes reasonable people wonder whether they are doing a bait-and-switch on us (I think they are!).

  167. Sparkx

    Discipline levels in Australian schools are below the OECD average, based on responses from students who took part in international tests.

    I had cause to visit a number of schools (public) in the local area some time ago. The noise coming from the class rooms was astounding. There seemed to be no level of control. These visits were in the mornings not long after school had started . Heaven only knows what it was like in the afternoons. It is a wonder the kids learnt anything.

  168. Fisky

    The LDP’s “support” for free conscience protections within SSM legislation will likely go the same way as their “ban” on asylum seekers receiving welfare.

    We know this, because David Leyonhjelm himself has already backslided on the latter issue!

    “At present, around 2.5 million (non-citizens) live in Australia and are eligible for welfare,” said Senator Leyonhjelm. “While I believe refugees should continue to be elig­ible for welfare to help them find their feet, the vast majority of non-citizens are not refugees and should not require handouts.”

    So the LDP will open the borders, allow boat people to arrive in large numbers, and make them eligible for welfare. Oh dear!

  169. Oh come on

    Specifically, its policies to recognise the statehood of Taiwan and Tibet.

    In fact, I support the full independence of both Taiwan and Tibet from the PRC. Do I support these things enough to sacrifice Australia’s diplomatic and, inevitably, economic relationship with the PRC for them? Dear God no.

  170. Guess what will be happening in week one when the Shorten government win the election:

    It will happen long before that, Top Ender.
    It’s just one more SJW “victory” that Turdbull wants to be able to claim credit for.

  171. Oh come on

    Honestly, I have no idea why the LDP doesn’t dump its Tibet and Taiwan policies. These alone mark the party out as clearly not being ready for prime-time.

  172. Makka

    So the LDP will open the borders, allow boat people to arrive in large numbers, and make them eligible for welfare. Oh dear!

    Well , well well. I missed that little bit.

    dotty’s convoluted explanations of his LDP pretzilised logic regarding SSM and Border Protection are not to be trusted.

  173. Tel

    The LDP policy involves protecting celebrants and repealing the Sex Discrimination Act, amongst other things, such as better protecting free speech.

    I would insist on those things being done FIRST. Then we see what else might be done in terms of SSM.

    The reason to be stubborn would be that the “Progressives” are mostly pushing this for activist reasons, and they will not accept any watering down of their divisive political agenda so I want to see a demonstration of goodwill before anything else happens.

  174. Shy Ted

    Marise Payne wants to go to Brussels? Probably not for the sprouts.

  175. Tel

    So the LDP will open the borders, allow boat people to arrive in large numbers, and make them eligible for welfare. Oh dear!

    One advantage of allowing people to buy a citizenship is that part of the contract is not being eligible for handouts for some longish period of time. I think it would also require significant vetting of the type of people we offer this deal to, based on their enthusiasm for Australian values (but we can argue over that aspect I’m sure).

  176. Shy Ted

    Fake news I think. PhD arts graduate gets job requiring PhD. Stands for Pizza hut Delivery apparently. Pizza Hut spokesperson denies they would hire a yarts graduate.

  177. Midland Gate expansion to bring Aldi, JB Hi-Fi and more
    Helen Shield, PerthNow

    That would have to be your “local” major shopping centre now, wouldn’t it Zulu?
    I hope they’re not planning to demolish The Crescent Village immediately behind it to make way.
    Magnificent, fully restored, red glazed brick construction, 1895.
    Mrs MV and I enjoyed many a coffee and snack at the Colony, in the breezeway.

  178. BrettW

    Stackja
    It is a matter of context.

    If Erin Moylan says she once called her dad Bagdaddy it looks odd when read the way you wrote it.

    However if she said my dad is MAJGEN Jim Moylan who was Deputy Commander of all allied forces in Iraq in about 2003/4 and was based in Bahgdad then it has quite a different meaning.

  179. Tailgunner

    . It is, however, a long drive from London to Dover and it would seem fairly easy to engineer an ‘accident’ that might result in him having to leave the car and thereby lose his diplomatic immunity.

    Just like in Snatch,innit? Lol!
    Arkanicide is much less complicated than this.

  180. Makka

    The PISA report said: “Student reports indicated that many Australian schools have a poor climate of classroom discipline. Australia scored significantly lower than the OECD average on this index, indicating a more problematic situation than across the OECD.”

    We are churning out dummies because our good students are being short changed. They are being ripped off by ; very average teachers with barely average academic qualifications ; a leftist environment that prioritises equalidy, inclusion, diversity and all that rubbish over academic results; successive Govts that don’t give a damn – they only see an empire to plunder and opportunities to squander taxpayer money rather than produce improved results ; Socialist curricula that dumbs down students by devoting valuable teaching time and effort to leftist memes, AGW and other assorted SJW enterprises.

    It’s quite a disgusting set of circumstances. Our public education system has become an embarrassment.

  181. Tel

    … a long drive from London to Dover and it would seem fairly easy to engineer an ‘accident’ …

    Tunnel, chased by paparazzi, driver speeds up, industrial laser into the driver’s eyes while near a corner, all very achievable.

    Purely hypothetically of course.

    Of course.

  182. BrettW

    Which got me to thinking.

    If Marrise Payne is a possibility to move to Ambassador to Brussels then means a NSW Senate vacancy.

    Jim Moylan would be the ideal replacement. Heck, he could even do her job in Defence. Is she even doing it now ?

    How does Defence even work. On the one hand the real Defence Minister might want a particular defence item but the Minister for SA Welfare Projects (Chris Pyne) might need some more serious barreling and needs it built locally, more expensively and much slower. Thank goodness any potential attackers are going to wait until the Unions have fully rorted the projects and finished the build with seriously outdated weaponry.

  183. H B Bear

    Ask Princess Di about MI6 and road safety.

  184. H B Bear

    Snap Tel. It was actually Prince Edward in a white Renault though.

  185. rickw


    Africans are so useless they need airheaded bimbos and hipster twinks along with tens of thousands of donated dollars to dig a well.

    A young bloke at work went to Africa on holidays to build a school. “Mate, they’ll be sitting under a tree watching you stupid white people slog your guts out in the hot sun building their kids a school” – “No, it won’t be like that at all” – returns from trip – “What was it like?” – “Exactly like you said it would be”….

  186. johanna

    Surprise, surprise. At least half of the $165m tax scam is gone with the wind. But there is some unintentional humour to be found, like:

    On Tuesday, the AFP asked Justice Elizabeth Fullerton to hear their application for further asset freezes in a closed court and without giving notice to any of the 58 people affected so as to prevent the alleged ringleaders being tipped off.

    Apparently the “ringleaders” have no access to media or fellow ringleaders who do. They imagine that nobody knows a thing about the scam.

    And how about:

    Some money is suspected of being sent offshore and laundered through an unwitting property development company based in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

    Sydney’s eastern suburbs are chock a block with “unwitting” property development companies. Just ask the Tilley family, whose companies are unwitting to a fault.

    Next headline – Easter Bunny makes off with millions. 🙂

  187. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    That would have to be your “local” major shopping centre now, wouldn’t it Zulu?

    I set foot there as a last resort, MV. The place is full of great, blubbery, beer bellied be tattooed bogans – that’s just the women – dragging their revolting brats.

    If it wasn’t for the fact that Dan Murphy’s in Midland didn’t have such a decent range of good Scotch, I wouldn’t set foot in Midland at all.

  188. rickw

    It’s quite a disgusting set of circumstances. Our public education system has become an embarrassment.

    Retired english teacher friend said it would take 30 years to recover from the current malaise even if we recognised the need for change. We are in a dumbness death spiral sort of like “idiocracy”, except that rednecks are smarter.

  189. srr

    Anne
    #2385095, posted on May 20, 2017 at 11:10 am

    2Corinthians 11:8

    I robbed other churches taking wages of them, to do you service.

    (Apostle Paul never robbed Churches.)

    Anne, go to the link and click on and follow the numbers for the roots of the meanings of the words. A lot of even the most basic words you read in English, have quite different root words/meanings in different places. It’s amazing how much more depth and breadth of meaning you’ll find when you start looking into the full, descriptive meanings of what otherwise can seem contradictory or nonsensical ;( –

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2co/11/8/ss1/s_1089008

    2Co 11:8
    I robbed G4813 other G243 churches, G1577 taking G2983 wages G3800 of them, to G4314 do G1248 G0 you G5216 service. G1248

  190. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Some money is suspected of being sent offshore and laundered through an unwitting property development company based in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

    The explosive allegations emerged just two days after Michael Cranston, who spearheaded much of the ATO’s efforts on high-level tax avoidance, commended a five-year jail sentence given to a NSW woman convicted of tax fraud.

    From the link by johanna. Unintentional humor, indeed.

  191. rickw

    Fans of “Pawn Stars” might enjoy Rick Harrison’s interview on Fox about about the Trump presidency here.

    I liked Rick Harrison long before he came out as a conservative!

  192. Makka

    “Mate, they’ll be sitting under a tree watching you stupid white people slog your guts out in the hot sun building their kids a school”

    An hour after you leave they’ll be tearing it down for firewood.

  193. Oh come on

    so I want to see a demonstration of goodwill before anything else happens.

    Hahahahahahahahaha yeah, no. You won’t get that as it’s never been about simply allowing gays to get married. It’s all about the anti-discrimination provisions that will accompany any SSM legislation. These provisions are the main game. Progressives don’t give a rat’s about the right for gays to get married – they care as much about this as gays themselves. Talk to an older gay bloke – lots of them still sneer at the idea of marriage – it’s for straights, they’ll say derisively. This used to be the default gay opinion on the matter until…maybe 10 or 15 years ago? Not that long ago.

    However, that’s changed as a result of the gay lobby’s unfortunate desire to force others to accept their lifestyle choices, and it’s at this point the interests of the progs and the gays intersect. SSM enforced legally, using the proxy violence of the state, means gays finally get to force institutions that don’t sanction their lifestyle to accommodate them anyway, and the progs get to use the anti-discrimination provisions of these laws to erode and destroy conservative institutions and subordinate conservative values.

    Neither group gives a toss about marriage, really.

  194. Chris

    If it wasn’t for the fact that Dan Murphy’s in Midland didn’t have such a decent range of good Scotch, I wouldn’t set foot in Midland at all.

    Sometimes one does well to set foot in Midland. For instance a young person I know took their SIXTH crack at the driving test there and passed no worries.
    As an example of the bullshit in the City testing location, the tester had them pull into a random driveway as though visiting, then drive off again – then say they forgot something at the house they stopped at, go back and stop there again. Can’t find it? Fail. A hundred bucks a test kaCHING plus hundreds more to instructors (I wish).

  195. Oh come on

    Midland is a complete toilet. Always has been. Always will be. Howsabout a few hundred mill for an ‘urban redevelopment project’, then – shit, Midland’s had dozens of them. You still have the same Midland denizens. They are totally resistant to redevelopment.

    Not meth, though. Or solvents. They’re very accepting of things like that.

  196. Tel

    Hahahahahahahahaha yeah, no. You won’t get that as it’s never been about simply allowing gays to get married.

    That’s OK… the purpose of asking for a show of goodwill is to improve your understanding of the situation later in the negotiation process. That’s why you ask first.

    Neither group gives a toss about marriage, really.

    I’m perfectly aware of that.

    The purpose of the “Progressives” is to find every way possible to damage traditional family structure because they see this as an obstacle to government social control. To a great degree they have been successful in damaging the family structure, but I’m not entirely sure what this has gained them in political terms. Oh well. We will figure it out. That’s the great thing about the whole Theory of Evolution… what happens is also what happens.

  197. I set foot there as a last resort, MV. The place is full of great, blubbery, beer bellied be tattooed bogans – that’s just the women – dragging their revolting brats.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. We went there just once when we were staying with a BiL at Strawberry Hill. It was enough. But we discovered The Colony Coffee Lounge. Delightful. Then we got a permanent place down in Applecross, but by then Mrs MV had scored a contract for a large MYOB installation back in Midland, so we drove up twice a week.

  198. .

    I’m blaming the gay movement and all it’s supporters – like you – for shoving gayness down the throats of the normal other 97% of the us and for their/ your attempts to use the state to undermine our established norms, family and society. Yes you dotty, you don’t give a flying fk about these things because liberty etc .

    I’m not “shoving gayness” down anyone’s throat for heaven’s sake.

    Yes you dotty, you don’t give a flying fk about these things because liberty etc .

    Sort of true. Freedom is the most important virtue and not only the fairest and most efficient means to most if not all things we value but an end unto itself.

  199. Oh come on

    I saw a classic example of WA stupidity written on the carton of a 30 can block of WA beer recently. It was some self congratulatory crap about how smart we are in WA and how we only keep this awesome beer to ourselves, we make sure it stays in WA. The name of the beer? Emu Export.

  200. .

    Yes Tel and OCO are right. Some of those policies ought to be done in a certain order in light of the policies that already exist. This has been discussed before and I agree to it.

    Refugees shouldn’t get welfare in my opinion. There is probably very little harm to be done in doing so, compared to the 15 bn of payments to 800,000 or so non-citizens now, but I still don’t agree on principle.

  201. johanna

    Trump’s appointment of Gorsuch is already making a difference, as Sultan Knish reports:

    In a Supreme Court dissent written on April 20, 2017, Justice Breyer whined, “Why now?” “The state is rushing to put him to death,” complained Nina Morrison of the badly misnamed Innocence Project.

    But it’s her client who rushed to put his victims to death. Ledell Lee had committed his crimes in the first years of the nineties. His youngest victim is now in her forties. Arkansas had let him live for decades.

    Three other Supreme Court justices, feminist heroines Ginsburg, Kagan and Sotomayor, also clamored for a serial rapist.

    Midazolam, a medication approved for sedating infants, has a “risk of severe pain”, Sotomayor wailed. The “wise Latina” failed to clarify whether it’s more painful than being beaten to death with a tire thumper, being strangled behind a school building or being held underwater until you pass out.

    Gorsuch was in the majority who told the complainants to forget their misapplied mercy.

  202. Libby Zee

    Just like in Snatch,innit? Lol!
    Arkanicide is much less complicated than this.

    Easier for you and Dot to drive to Walgett.

  203. Atoms for Peace

    Didn’t SSM used to be a bondage store ?

  204. Oh come on

    I mean, my handle! Emu Export is a really shit beer anyway. As in, the worst. Possibly worse than West End, even. Still, did anyone not think that a bunch of crap about how in WA we are so smart that we make sure we keep this particular beer all to ourselves, and the name ‘Export’, don’t really go together?

  205. srr

    Why is the bat eared vermin now the one with a free pass to simply verbal, make up shit and outright lie.

    It was Dot, JC, others have had their turn, at simply repeating the same smears against the same targets, and no one calls them out for it, like cats used to.

    It used to be, no matter how much cats disliked one another, they still wouldn’t let other cats get away posting lies in lieu of honest insults.

    Anyway, I keep asking it to post the the originals of what it’s bullshitting about, and since it once did and showed it was bullshitting, it’s resorted back to simply re-telling it’s own bullshitting versions of, whatever 🙄

    Ahh, maybe it’s a nervous tick sort of thing, in anticipation of the whole mess of truth that’s going to be falling on a whole skulk of foxes in holier-than-thou-cow clothing.

  206. one old bruce

    Have extensive experience in the field of autism and provision of services for disabilities, and totally agree that this free gardening thing seems to be (on reports, at least partly) a feeding frenzy arising from red tape error and imprecise targeting. That is the problem when everything’s dictated from Canberra.

  207. Chris

    MidlandAustralia is a complete toilet.

    FIFY
    After reading Kelly, Collier, Kenny, Cater, and Sloan in the OZ I am blowed if I can see what the taxpayer would stay here for. Just light the fuse and retire to a safe distance.

  208. Oh come on

    Hrm. Now that I think about it, Emu Export is pretty popular in Midland. A certain demographic is very partial to it.

  209. Atoms for Peace

    I always remember one of our kids complaining that the teacher could not pronounce the words correctly during a spelling quiz ; grade 5. Same year, pulled up another teacher about the indigenous history in Australia. Grade 6 through 12 full scholarships at ” other ” schools.

  210. .

    srr

    Don’t bring up libel etc. You were dumb enough to believe Jeff Sessions was going to arrest every well-known Democrat in Washington for satanic ritual abuse sex crimes on non-existent evidence and that the arrests were “imminent”!

    You fell for click bait you blithering imbecile.

    Now you’re upset about Catholics on this blog being pissed about you smearing the holy mother church as some satanic plot.

    Can you see a pattern forming?

  211. Makka

    I’m not “shoving gayness” down anyone’s throat for heaven’s sake.

    Yes you are. You support legislating for SSM knowing full well the state ordained punishments that will ensue for dissenters.

  212. Oh come on

    Buronga Ridge Fruity Lexia, Emu Export, Penfolds XO Port. And it has to be those brands. Kaiser Stuhl Fruity Lexia? Nope. Stanley Fruity Lexia? Nuh huh. Gotta be Buronga Ridge Fruity Lexia.

  213. .

    Marcus Classis
    #2385267, posted on May 20, 2017 at 2:07 pm

    Please, sir.

    Think of Sinclair’s liability. He has a family to look after.

  214. .

    Makka
    #2385378, posted on May 20, 2017 at 4:55 pm
    I’m not “shoving gayness” down anyone’s throat for heaven’s sake.

    Yes you are. You support legislating for SSM knowing full well the state ordained punishments that will ensue for dissenters.

    Why bother engaging with you? You just keep on lying. There is no point in disavowing myself from any absurd state sanctioned punishment of dissent because you believe that the only logical result of SSM is such policies.

  215. Nick

    Possibly worse than West End,

    Seriously, a worse beer exists ?

  216. Oh come on

    Aw, really? No one else wants to chew the fat about WA’s hidden gems and the colourful locals that live there?

  217. srr

    Mrs D,

    Shirley Strachan threw me into a swimming pool. I was wearing my best dress.

    Let’s work through this, eh?
    1. How old were you?
    2. Was the dress made of sheer cotton?
    3. Was underwear present?

    There just may be extenuating circumstances here.
    Just sayin’

    A N D … was it in his TV kid’s show days and did it involve the production crew who were somewhat partial to pool parties?

  218. Oh come on

    Well, I guess you wouldn’t know, Nick, because in WA we’re so smart that we make sure the rest of Australia (and the world!) doesn’t get any of our Emu Export.

  219. Chris

    I mean, my handle! Emu Export is a really shit beer anyway. As in, the worst. Possibly worse than West End, even.

    Oh come on! Its obviously fun to provoke Sandgropers.

    You pretend to an inbred’s beer education; Southwark used to be considered Australia’s worst beer. They served it in the Waikerie Gliding Club and International Airport, and nowhere else I ever went.

    Personally I don’t like Export, even kept at home instead of exported; but its better than the Australian beer that was exported because no-one would drink it in Australia – Fosters. West End? The only people that traditionally drank it were faced with Southwark as the alternative. In a country which made Coopers why would you drink any of those above?

  220. Chris

    Aw, really? No one else wants to chew the fat about WA’s hidden gems and the colourful locals that live there?

    There are certainly some fats being chewed, but not by me.

  221. rickw

    Refugees shouldn’t get welfare in my opinion.

    Refugees shouldn’t get a place at the table, particularly the “genuine” ones, they have shit in their own nest and the universal experience is that after having done that, they want to shit in ours.

    Shitholes don’t happen by accident, they are made by people and cultures. We shouldn’t let their toxic culture and mindset in.

  222. calli

    However, that’s changed as a result of the gay lobby’s unfortunate desire to force others to accept applaud their lifestyle choices,

    OCO, acceptance happened long ago.

  223. As an example of the bullshit in the City testing location, the tester had them pull into a random driveway as though visiting, then drive off again – then say they forgot something at the house they stopped at, go back and stop there again. Can’t find it? Fail.

    What does this have to do with knowing how to drive a car? I am at a complete loss.

  224. Oh come on

    If you’re a real WA inbred insider, you know that Midland itself is actually pretty upmarket. Midvale is the badlands in the overall Midland vicinity.

  225. Pedro the Ignorant

    Buronga Ridge plonk and Emu Export beer are two of the staples that the sly grog runners smuggle into the “dry” aboriginal shantytowns in the NW of WA.

    Five litre cask purchased at about $15 goes for $100, a box of 30 Emu Export cans fetches about $200, but these prices blow out if a shipment is running late or gets seized.

    Your welfare dollars at work.

  226. Atoms for Peace

    According to the Royal Commission into child abuse, the Catholic Church has paid out approx $275 million thus far. The new scheme re compensation (over a number of bodies opt in or out btw )is estimated to cost out at 4.3 billion over 10 years.
    How does the church fund these things

  227. Chris

    If you’re a real WA inbred insider,

    In the WA country town I come from, Victorians were real foreigners. Poms, Kiwis, Chinese, Japanese, TIs, Greeks and Italians were normal but.
    And ‘Eastern Staters’ included South Australians.

  228. Oh come on

    Fair call, calli. When I wrote ‘accept’, I had some vision of refuseniks being summonsed to front a statutory body where they must place their hand on a secular text of their choice and read aloud a prepared statement about how awesome it is to be gay and married and stuff, followed by that thing they say in US election campaign ads – “I’m *insert name here* and I approve this message”.

  229. Infidel Tiger

    Red Can is delicious icy cold on a stinker.

    Old school Australian lagers are pretty basic but there is no better beer to drink at near freezing point.

  230. If you’re a real WA inbred insider, you know that
    Midland itself is actually pretty upmarket.

    Yeah. Upmarket Midland, where they drink boutique Emu Export.

  231. Nick

    How does the church fund these things

    Some religious orders that owned land, say around schools, have sold it off to build a war chest.

  232. Sparkx

    I’m an old gay bloke and am totally against this SSM crap and cannot for the life of me work out what the fuss is all about. Gay relationships tend not to last for various reasons although there are quite a few of us in long term partnerships. When I was a young bloke in Sydney if you were attracted to a member of the opposite sex you were gay and the Mardi Gras started out as the GAY Mardi Gras. Then the militant lesbians decided they wanted a piece of the action. So we ended up with the Gay AND Lesbian MG. Things just went downhill from there with the hairy armpitted, overall wearing dykes gradually taking over. Essentially it is the women (and a few oddballs like Joyce Joyce) behind the push for SSM not us self respecting gay blokes.

  233. Yeah. Upmarket Midland, where they drink boutique Emu Export.

    I think he means Guildford.

  234. Tailgunner

    skulk of foxes

    I like it!
    Srr is the bombadier.

  235. True Aussie

    Remove all the non-whites from the Australian health system and see how you get on.

    Good idea. No non white doctors, nurses, support staff or patients . Medicare would suddenly become sustainable and the entire health system would improve.

  236. Tintarella di Luna

    A new academic hoax: a bogus paper on “the conceptual penis” gets published in a “high quality peer-reviewed” social science journal

    Saturday arvo entertainment

    Thank you thank you thank you — what an absolute hoot –

  237. I think he means Guildford.

    Possibly. Parts of Guildford, on and around the river, are extraordinarily beautiful.

  238. True Aussie

    It appears some aboriginal boys in housing commission stabbed a 10 year old in inner sydney.

  239. Tel

    Why bother engaging with you? You just keep on lying. There is no point in disavowing myself from any absurd state sanctioned punishment of dissent because you believe that the only logical result of SSM is such policies.

    Well it happened in the USA and also the UK, so there’s a passing chance it might happen here.

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