Open Forum: May 20, 2017

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  1. Makka

    I continue to be intrigued and fascinated by Cranston-gate.

    Indeed Des. This is very very big. One wonders what other rotten apples this investigation will uncover and to what extent under the counter tax scams have gone before.

  2. C.L.

    LOL. Geoffrey Robertson on Seven doing his Winston Churchill voice while pontificating on Assange.

    He grew up in Eastwood.

  3. incoherent rambler

    Or is it that the ATO culture is so inbred and incestuous that covering up for a mate gone bad is standard operating procedure? It certainly makes it harder to argue that Cranston Sr was just one bad apple in an otherwise pristine ATO.

    Yep.
    The most damning piece of evidence, so far,
    Mick Trumble has assured us that we can trust the ATO.

  4. egg_

    Insiders ABC ✔ @InsidersABC
    Just four months into Donald Trump’s presidency – and the ‘i’ word is being mentioned. – Barry Cassidy

    Ron Burgundy’s Insiders gets everything wrong?

  5. johanna

    No wonder I upped the intake of jam donut shooters at that point.

    Sounds intriguing.

    What is a jam donut shooter? Is it a version of a potato gun? 🙂

  6. lotocoti

    Trump selling yet more weapons to the Saudis. This will not end well.

    I assume you mean like France and Spain selling selling hardware to Oz.
    That sort of unhappy ending.

  7. incoherent rambler

    One wonders what other rotten apples this investigation will uncover

    NONE.

    The fix is in. The place has been wiped for prints, The sacrificial lambs have been selected. Payments to the necessary people are complete. The scripts are prepared.
    Anyone challenging this can expect an audit.

  8. classical_hero

    Sexuality is not a spectrum. This is left wing nonsense.

  9. Nick

    From Rowan Dean, via Bolta:

    The world of taxation fraud was rocked to its core this week with news of a massive tax scam involving the tax office and members of a senior public servant’s family ripping off vast sums of money from Australian taxpayers (when’s the satire begin – ed?). Authorities were tipped off to the scheme by an unusually large number of greedy individuals flaunting extravagant luxuries that they could not have afforded to purchase themselves (in the next sentence, ed – author).

    The individuals were all discovered to be humble Aussie taxpayers … and the vast haul of goodies they had accumulated include a gold-encrusted disability package, known as an NDIS, an extremely valuable second-hand Gonski rumoured to be worth up to $22 billion, a gleaming new Snowy mountain water propulsion device that pushes water uphill against gravity in order to turn it into rivers of gold on the way back down, and an entire internet broadband network that costs squillions and is almost, but not quite, as good as free Wi-Fi.

    Said a police spokesperson: “We also located an imaginary airport that the gang were building for themselves at a cost of several billion dollars … ”

    The extravagant haul also includes over 50 billion dollars’ worth of luxury two stroke diesel submarines that were to be shipped in from France over the next five decades and re-assembled at a disused canoe and kayak factory in Whyalla…

    The complicated scheme involved a public payroll firm in Canberra known as Liberalus and a number of obscure shelf companies, known as “government departments”, that siphoned off the money that should have belonged to hard-working Australians and distributed it instead to anybody who stuck their hand out. The entire scam was designed to fund the lavish political careers of the members of the Liberalus extended political family.

  10. Makka

    Trump selling yet more weapons to the Saudis. This will not end well.

    There will be more, lots more.

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Nov 9
    Barrie Cassidy @barriecassidy
    Trump cannot win. The nightmare is over.

  12. calli

    He grew up in Eastwood.

    That’s the East Wood of Blenheim Palace to you, serf.

  13. egg_

    Just saying that once the Australian greens fundementally transform the country, they may well find that the attitudes towards never making a dollar out of the enviroment

    Just show them pics of what Global wind farms do to China’s rare earth mines.

  14. C.L.

    Eastwood’s most famous sons are Geoffrey Robertson and Homer Paxton.

  15. Chris

    Trump selling yet more weapons to the Saudis.

    In other news, America found to have previously sold weapons to the Saudis under every other President and no-one except the Israelis gave a toss.

  16. Nick

    Flipping hell:

    NRL to bribe players with ‘good boy’ bonus
    EXCLUSIVE: The NRL plans to give every club a $400,000 “good behaviour fund” as part of the next salary cap deal as an incentive to stop players getting involved in scandals.

  17. Andrew

    Insiders ABC ✔ @InsidersABC
    Just four months into Donald Trump’s presidency – and the ‘i’ word is being mentioned. – Barry Cassidy

    Dickhead. They mentioned it before the inauguration. They never stopped talking about it.

    Seems he will be the first POTUS impeached for Mabo and the Vibe.

  18. classical_hero

    https://youtu.be/W1gIMcfUsZ0

    Even though Brexit is good, they are still too far left for my liking, even though they are meant to be conservative.

  19. Andrew

    In other news, America found to have previously sold weapons to the Saudis under every other President and no-one except the Israelis gave a toss.

    Israel are actually secret allies. The Sauds are the lesser of two evils (see the yuugely unsuccessful Kenyan-Crimton regime change in Libya and Egypt, for example).

  20. Flipping hell:

    NRL to bribe players with ‘good boy’ bonus
    EXCLUSIVE: The NRL plans to give every club a $400,000 “good behaviour fund” as part of the next salary cap deal as an incentive to stop players getting involved in scandals.

    And yet Cats still religiously follow the afl, posting triumphantly how their teams are going each weekend.

    It’s pretty pathetic to rail against the progressive takeover of the country and yet simultaneously show enthusiastic support for one of the main progressive vehicles.

  21. candy

    So did Cranston bully them? Did he have something on them? Or is it that the ATO culture is so inbred and incestuous that covering up for a mate gone bad is standard operating procedure?

    Perhaps Des there’s a culture there of simply being above standard operating procedure in the higher levels of the public service anyway. That they can’t be touched. Given the excellent conditions and pay increases, support of strong unions, as compared to the private sector going backwards and dragging the economy down, perhaps the public service is a world of its own, not accountable, above the rest, and accessing information illegally is seen as another right or at least not seen as wrong.

  22. Geriatric Mayfly

    Unleash Fatashton the bloodhound.

    Another one.
    Man injured in Melbourne home invasion

  23. Tel

    In other news, America found to have previously sold weapons to the Saudis under every other President and no-one except the Israelis gave a toss.

    I’m pretty sure I bitched about it under Obama as well.

    The apparent Israeli strategy is to play Saudi Arabia off against Iran… try to lure them both into an even bigger war. I personally think that’s an immoral and nutty strategy.

  24. Baldrick

    What are the odds?

    Libby Zee
    #2385190, posted on May 20, 2017 at 12:32 pm
    Pronunciation of Shrewsbury. Can be Shrewsbury (as in shrew … the taming of) or Shrowsbury. And either is acceptable, even among those who actually live there.

    Grigory M
    #1908003, posted on January 6, 2016 at 6:30 pm
    I am well able to contest on grammar – against anyone, whether or not they be acknowledges as a final arbiter by others.

  25. Tom

    Calli, for your enjoyment, the Pippi wedding photo album (H/T UK Tele). Those pageboys and flowergirls sure are cute.

  26. john constantine

    They are just so earnest, but the models here are just a little simplistic.Industrial agriculture causes climate change, like electricity and Trump.

    Still, without mechanised, industrialised agriculture allowing the massive boom in well fed human populations the world would be a different place.

    Once agriculture is deindustrialised and the proles are factory farmed in high rise barracks and fed rations of medicated, flavoured yeast brewed in vats, we will see what impact that has on the weather.

  27. Makka

    The apparent Israeli strategy is to play Saudi Arabia off against Iran… try to lure them both into an even bigger war. I personally think that’s an immoral and nutty strategy

    No doubt Israel has this strategy however the 2 protagonists need little urging. They deeply detest one another. The big issue for the US is that both the Al Saud and Israel have massive amounts of money and all sorts of influence in the US. Not to mention that both nations have a POTUS they can work with.

  28. Nick

    Ita all academic anyway. Once the oil revenue goes, the Al Sauds will decamp to London, leaving Saudi to even more extreme elements.

  29. Nick

    Adam, while you’re right about the AFL the article was about NRL (rugby league).

  30. Tel

    Once the oil revenue goes, the Al Sauds will decamp to London …

    There’s at least enough oil to last the next 50 years, maybe 100 years or more.

    Yes the price will fluctuate, but those guys will still do OK.

  31. Libby Zee

    Insiders ABC @InsidersABC
    Just four months into Donald Trump’s presidency – and the ‘i’ word is being mentioned. – Barry Cassidy

    Ron Burgundy’s Insiders gets everything wrong?

    We don’t watch Insiders. This was on the Ch 9 evening news:

    Al Green calls for Donald Trump’s impeachment

  32. Gab

    GM’s comment about yet another home invasion in Melbournistan. Notice how the media/police yet again avoid mentioning the ethnicity of the thugs?

    A Melbourne man has been hit on the head during a home invasion and had his car stolen.

    The 42-year-old man suffered minor injuries after a group of six to eight men smashed a rear window of his Rockbank house on Sunday morning.

    Two other occupants who were home at the time were uninjured, and the offenders stole car keys and fled in a white Toyota Camry.

    And here was me thinking only owners of expensive cars were in danger. Rockbank is NW of Melbourne.

  33. Makka

    “If [Mr Trump] took a dump on his desk, you would defend it,” Cooper told Lord after the conservative political commentator defended Trump’s description of the sacked FBI director James Comey as a “nut job” at a meeting with Russian officials.

    It’s wonderful how Trump explodes lefturd’s heads. mUnty’s health is already sufferring. It’s going to be a tough 8 years for them.

  34. Geriatric Mayfly

    Rockbank is now part of suburbia as it expands relentlessly across Pleurisy Plains to the west. Topographically: nothing but basalt boulders and thistles.

  35. Libby Zee

    Baldrick, that is so sweet. You noticed that I said something. Unfortunately, your gay fascination with Grigory is again to the fore … naughty Sparkx and his homo-erotic talk must be making it hard for you this morning.

  36. srr

    For one in depth analysis after another, start here –

    President Trump in Saudi Arabia – The Big Picture…

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

    and keep reading –

    Secretary Tillerson and Minister Adel al-Jubeir Explain Intent and Scope of Historic Trade Agreements…

    President Trump Signs Historic Deal To Enhance Saudi Arabia’s Security and Expand Economic Partnership…

    President Trump Arrives for Royal Banquet at Murabba Palace – Video: T-Rex and Wilburine Dancing With Sabers…

    Secretary Tillerson and Saudi Minister Adel al-Jubeir Joint Press Briefing…

    Great Honor – King Salman Bestows Collar of Abdulaziz Al Saud To President Donald Trump…

    Day #1 – Arab Islamic American Summit – President and First Lady Trump Arrive in Riyadh..

  37. Nick

    Baldrick, that is so sweet. You noticed that I said something. Unfortunately, your gay fascination with Grigory is again to the fore … naughty Sparkx and his homo-erotic talk must be making it hard for you this morning.

    Balders, notice the change in tone here. It seems two people, say, Lucie and Septims, use the same account.

  38. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    IMMIGRATION
    Dutton cracks down on ‘fake refugees’

    The Australian
    8:02AM May 21, 2017

    The Turnbull government has announced a crackdown on “fake refugees”, setting a deadline of October 1 for boat arrivals who are yet to apply for refugee status to present their case for protection.

    Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said today there were 7500 illegal maritime arrivals living in Australia who were yet to prove they were refugees and owed protection by Australia.

    Most arrived during the Rudd-Gillard Labor government, and more than 80 per cent came without identity documents.

    Last year they cost the Australian taxpayer approximately $250m in income support alone, according to Mr Dutton.

    He said that if people refused to provide information about their identity, they could expect to be cut off from government income support, deported, and banned from re-entering Australia.

    “We aren’t going to use taxpayers’ money. People work hard for their money, they pay taxes each year, and they don’t want that money going to welfare payments to people who are not true refugees, and this government’s going to clamp down,” Mr Dutton said.

    “We aren’t going to allow these people to continue to access welfare services and we’re going to make that very clear to people.”

    Mr Dutton said the government would use a range of agencies including Australian Border Force and the Australian Federal Police to implement the crackdown.

    “If people think that they can rip the Australian taxpayer off, if people think that they can con the Australian taxpayer, then I’m sorry, the game’s up, and we are not going to allow people to take Australian taxpayers for a ride,” he said.

    “We are prepared to support people who are legitimate refugees, but we aren’t going to support people who are just accessing welfare, accessing taxpayer benefits, and then refusing to provide any information in relation to their protection claim.”

    Mr Dutton said the cost of processing 50,000 arrivals who arrived on 800 boats after the Rudd government weakened border protection policy had topped more than $13.7 billion.

    From the Oz. Unheard of – someone in the Turnbull Government has finally grown a spine?

  39. srr

    Saudi FM: Trump can broker Israeli-Palestinian peace deal, and we’ll help

    Speaking on behalf of Saudi monarch, Adel al-Jubeir hails US president’s ‘vision’ and ‘decisiveness’; says kingdom prepared to work with US toward accord
    ..
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-fm-riyadh-confident-in-trumps-abilities-to-broker-israeli-palestinian-peace/

  40. .

    The Sokal Hoax Affair lives.

    ‘The Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct’: Hoax gender studies paper accepted by a peer-reviewed academic journal

    Holy crap. You can get any rubbish published as an academic journal article these days.

  41. incoherent rambler

    Holy crap. You can get any rubbish published as an academic journal article these days.

    Well, the ABC needs its sources!

  42. John64

    Rockbank is now part of suburbia as it expands relentlessly across Pleurisy Plains to the west. Topographically: nothing but basalt boulders and thistles.

    In my youth we used to refer to Rockbank as having nothing but wind, wabbits and wocks.

    Plenty of tiger snakes and scotch thistles, too.

  43. Tel

    Topographically: nothing but basalt boulders and thistles.

    Best thing to build a city on. Foolish to waste valuable farmland.

  44. Sparkx

    Thanks for dropping in Sparkx. Forgive me if I come across as an insensitive jerk to ask, but would you mind helping me correct my half-informed ideas?

    Glad to.

    1) As I recall a popular ‘gay political position’ a through the time we were growing up was that marriage was a straight/bourgeois/breeder thing that would ruin the freedom gay people took for themselves. Do you think this changed totally because of the lesbians desire to be mainstreamed, or is it still the same, but concealed by the mainstream culture pretending that gays are identical to straights (but cuter and fluffier)?

    For me, and a lot of guys I know, marriage is still a breeder thing. The lesbians, and a few girly boys, are definitely the drivers of this current push. Most of us living our lives in suburbia (or in our case, the bush) couldn’t give a shit about it and find it quite embarrassing.

    2) From the older literature, I get the impression that this modern fashion of calling anything under 18 or 21 as ‘[email protected]’ is mostly self-righteous PCness. Young stuff is celebrated in the literature and before the PC craze we would hear of rent boys, priests or Aussie diplomats setting the tone in third world countries hunting for young stuff. Is this merely being memory-holed by the media now, or is that part of gay culture actually being stamped down as part of the pressure for mainstreaming?

    Since time immemorial there has been a desire, by some, for boys. And I stress, by some, not all. I am sure, despite the current PC craze, that what was happening when I was a 16 year old lad in Sydney still occurs albeit in a more covert manner. Human nature doesn’t change and boys will be boys.

    3) I once had a prejudiced expectation that gays were more cultured than me. This was true of some I knew – symphony musicians, artists and the like – but a few times I was kinda disappointed it wasn’t so. I shared the house of one amazing musician, the driving impression of his friends was that there were a number of desperately sad or even disturbed people in their crowd. And this leads me to the question, how one becomes gay seems to me to have been politicised also. Modern PC demands it be innate and unchangeable from birth, but for some I knew of it appeared connected to shit happening to them. Then there is the bi preference. Is that model of unchanging preference from birth real in the stories of all people you know?

    I really like this question. I was a “gifted” child – music, stage. Most of the people I mixed with were generally cultured and very good at their professional endeavours. It was a crazy eclectic mix from doctors, musicians, dental technicians, chemists to florists, dressmakers and chefs. There were the odd stragglers (sad or a bit disturbed) mixed in as well.
    For me being gay was innate but certainly not unchangeable. I had a couple of encounters with women although I wouldn’t describe myself as Bi. All the guys I know knew from a very early age that they were “different”. Some tried to hide it, married and had kids only to realise later in life that really were gay. Some embraced it and got on with life. Others tried to hide it and became quite reclusive. Like you. I know some who were abused as children. I have talked to them at length about this and they are not sure if the abuse had anything to do with them being gay or not. From what I heard from the recent RC into child abuse there are a lot of men abused as boys who are now married. There really is no “norm”.
    Hope this helps

  45. Rev. Archibald

    Rev, There are a lot of guys who pretend to be absolutely repelled by women, but I really believe that there are in fact very few who genuinely are.

    It is an interesting topic, and one that if studied dispassionately could give insight into human nature.
    Very little chance of that given the history of the thing and the politicisation of everything.

  46. notafan

    Des Deskperson

    Some senior people in very large organisations have a habit of surrounding themselves with yespersons, either graduates who’ve who magically achieve very senior positions in very short time-spans and/or not particularly bright bulbs who’ve learned to talk the talk.

    Not having a strong internal code helps a lot.

  47. old bloke

    Two other occupants who were home at the time were uninjured, and the offenders stole car keys and fled in a white Toyota Camry.

    The car rebirthing industry must have fallen on hard times if they are now recycling Toyota Camrys. Maybe the government should see if that industry needs some assistance?

  48. .

    Here’s the thing DB. You are conflating virtue and virtuous behaviour now.

    Moral choices can only really be made under liberty. You’re not going to be free under an evil regime by making moral choices. You’re going to be dead.

    I’d like it too if etymology dominated what words meant, but that isn’t how English works anymore.

    Liberty is righteous unto itself. I don’t disagree with what Aquinas said about this, but I’m not trying to rewrite divine law – only support ideas like free speech and so on which I believe are righteous unto themselves and deliver many utilitarian benefits.

  49. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 5h5 hours ago

    ICE HSI agents arrest two immigrant women who were pimping out their own children.

    Sex Trafficking is the big story no one is talking about.
    [video clip of arrests, including rescue of a baby being pimped]
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/866014918809706497

  50. .

    Fisk.

    Don’t lecture me on virtue when you were wetting your pants with excitement over a possible terrorist attack being the catalyst for Trump being elected.

  51. Gab

    The car rebirthing industry must have fallen on hard times if they are now recycling Toyota Camrys. Maybe the government should see if that industry needs some assistance?

    The government is already giving them assistance through the judiciary and the elite in the police force. Assistance? More like enabling in the name of being PC.

  52. notafan

    I used to find Rockbank fascinating when I lived that side of town two decades or so ago, wide eyed wonder that people wanted to live there.

    But it cheap and, comparatively speaking, still is, all through the back of Laverton and right around.

    Used to take my children to Fairy Park at Anakie for that wacky wonder experience too. Iirc the whole area is a low rainfall basalt plain, perfect for housing development, as it is very marginal farming land.

    See Fairy Park is still operating, a wonder in itself.

  53. .

    Saudi Arabia has the lowest cost of production for oil, IIRC. They’re not going anywhere. They mightn’t be able to afford what they are doing now, but they can just debase their currency and so on.

    Russia and theNorwegians are really the ones who might suffer or are already suffering.

  54. struth

    Good moaning.
    There are probably at least a million people in this country that are here under false pretences and millions more no one was asked if they wanted.
    There is social engineering in immigration on the scale nazis would be proud of as our nazis decide immigration based on racial quotas and anti western values, Dutton talks about 7500 people yet they still let ISIS fighters back in the country.
    He is just being the guy sent out to keep Australians sufficiently calm while the invasion continues at a pace only beaten be Merkel’s Germany.

  55. Tel

    The car rebirthing industry must have fallen on hard times if they are now recycling Toyota Camrys. Maybe the government should see if that industry needs some assistance?

    Just for the record: some of the Lebanese Muslims who I happen to know were involved in this business of fixing up insurance wrecks (they gave it up eventually). Here’s a typical example: a perfectly nice sports car had been washed out of a parking lot during the Queensland floods, got dirty water throughout the interior and was written off completely. Mechanically there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. Some young guy makes a buck going through the interior cleaning it out, sanitizing, deodorizing, and drying it all out. They get a qualified mechanic to go over all the running gear and sign off that it’s roadworthy. Now you have a perfectly good sports car.

    I have difficulty finding fault with that… even though perhaps some people see a dodgy atmosphere around the industry… why not fix up a car? The young guy probably doesn’t have a whole heap of other skills, and this is meaningful work. What’s with the giant corncob?!?

  56. Rev. Archibald

    I found it interesting that dairy cows habitually mount each other.
    One wonders what is going through their little bovine minds.
    Of course, a dairy herd is by nature an all female environment.
    I think there is a large element of rehearsal and role play in the homosexual act.
    In the end it is a trivial and fruitless thing.
    If only we had not come from such an extreme of condemnation, we might not now be in an extreme of celebration over something, which like all casual sex, is in the end pretty damn pointless.

  57. Top Ender

    Scathing article by Miranda Devine:

    No one bothered telling the Dawson family that the 38-year-old barrister and mother-of-three had been fatally shot until a few minutes before 6am, the scheduled time for another showboating press conference by the NSW Premier and his police chiefs.

    Nor did anyone mention to the family that Dawson had been killed by ricocheting fragments of police bullets.

    Nor did anyone tell the family of hero cafe manager Tori Johnson, 34, that he was dead, until hours after he was executed by Monis with a gunshot to the head at 2.13am.

    It was a ruthless oversight, but indifference towards bereaved families befits a hapless police operation that, from the start, was treated more like a public relations exercise than the Islamist terrorist attack that the Coroner most likely will declare it was when he releases his report on Wednesday.

    From the official reluctance to declare the siege by Iranian-born ISIS fan Man Monis a terrorist attack, to the political correctness of launching a police operation to combat Islamophobic hate crimes that never occurred, to Burn’s deletion of her text messages, the focus of police command seemed to be on everything but rescuing the 18 hostages held at gunpoint for 17 hours.

    Link

  58. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 2h2 hours ago

    Heather Podesta, ex-wife of John Podesta’s brother & HRC Super Lobbyist, is on DC Police Foundation Board.

    Close to #SethRich investigation.

    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/866064293455945729

  59. .

    Nothing wrong at all with that Tel. I don’t think the insurers have a choice. In the long run, the car might physically depreciate at a more rapid pace.

  60. struth

    Rockbank, for many years was just out of town enough that interstate truckies would stop there once they had finished working around town unloading and reloading etc to have tea and a shower before driving to Adelaide all night.
    I remember the old roadhouse well.
    We would try to meet up with mates there to travel with all night.

    It was quite the social spot.
    Swallowed up in the burbs now………

  61. notafan

    Sparkx

    I have no doubt but for our society’s long standing teaching of morality sexual behaviour would be far more varied and all sorts than it is, history and other cultural practices makes that clear . Doesn’t mean that men who feel attracted to other men but nevertheless marry and become fathers aren’t somehow being true to themselves, they are just placing their values above their sexual inclinations.

    With no intention of conflating, there have been lots of cultures that have and do prioritize same sex and child sex activities as a male prerogative.

    Seems like an exercise of free will to me, there are many ways to sin, and sexual sin is just one of them.


    Peter Ould is one such who made a different choice

  62. TE;

    OneWorldGovernment for King, and the Australian Discount Party to run a coup tomorrow morning.

    Corrected to:
    Winston Smith for King, and the Australian Discount Party to run a chook raffle tomorrow.

  63. John64

    But it cheap and, comparatively speaking, still is, all through the back of Laverton and right around.

    You’ve missed the boat.

    A lady I know who purchased her 5 acre farmlet in Rockbank in the mid-1990s for $120,000 recently sold for $1.7 million.

  64. notafan

    It is not that part of the business Tel,

    It is buying write offs, then stealing the same make model and two becoming one.

  65. Geriatric Mayfly

    Buckle up. Julian, Curr, Manne, the ABC et al. and every taxpayer funded Legal Service in the land will rally to the cause. “Cruel, Cruel, ” the Sarah Dugong will tweet.

    He said that if people refused to provide information about their identity, they could expect to be cut off from government income support, deported, and banned from re-entering Australia.

  66. Chris

    There really is no “norm”.
    Hope this helps

    Sparkx, thanks for your reply! Hope you stick around, while most of us are insane in a coping way, some here are very witty as well and really set the bushes on fire when they cut loose.

  67. John64

    I remember the old roadhouse well.

    Ted’s Roadhouse – a local institution.

    Ted made a great hamburger. 50 cents for one with the lot IIRC.

  68. Top Ender

    Peta Credlin says Shorten will start the boats up again:

    The Rudd-Gillard-Rudd record of chaos must not be forgotten: 800 boats, 50,000 illegal arrivals, 17 new detention centres, 8000 children in detention and 1200 deaths at sea (that we know about).

    “That was then, this is now,” Bill Shorten will say.

    Don’t be fooled.

    Link

  69. calli

    Thanks for the link to the photos, Tom. Nice to see she disappointed the tabloids and didn’t go all “Nudie Bride”.

    Very classy.

  70. notafan

    The house on a little block, 600 square metres or so across s from my mum’s just sold for 1.44 million and the new owners are going to demolish and rebuilt.

    One of my children has just bought very similar house on slightly less land out west for under $500,00.

    Comparatively cheap is what I said and yes very much still comparatively cheap.

  71. struth

    Exactly John 64.

    Very hard to get a park most nights.
    I used to wonder up to the red roo out of Beaufort for teacif I had the time.
    Busy times.
    I remember one time the whole roadhouse full of men eatind their meals and laughing our tits off to this great show on the Tele.
    Graham Kennedy’s funniest home videos or some such.
    Simpler times but definitely not worse times.

  72. Makka

    It was a ruthless oversight, but indifference towards bereaved families befits a hapless police operation that, from the start, was treated more like a public relations exercise than the Islamist terrorist attack that the Coroner most likely will declare it was when he releases his report on Wednesday.

    Ineed. All well and good however at the time and in the weeks after the press were all behind the orchestrated outpouring of public grief led by Baird and his incompetent hillbillies who were more intent on political outcomes than the siege outcome. The virtue and concern signalling from our leftist media was dialled up to eleventy , giving these fking NSWPol clowns a free ride, not being required to answer even the most obvious questions such as ; why TF wasn’t this POS taken out by SASR very early on?

  73. struth

    Why was he free in the first place?

  74. Tailgunner

    Topographically: nothing but basalt boulders and thistles.

    Haha- a mate of mine, excavator driver, worked out there on a new housing project for quite awhile.
    “Nothing but wogs,rocks&thistles!” he used to say.
    😀

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    why TF wasn’t this POS taken out by SASR very early on?

    Special Air Service Regiment are based in Perth, if the heavy mob had been called in , 2 Commando at Holsworthy would have got the job.

  76. egg_

    It seems two people, say, Lucie and Septims, use the same account

    Both residing in the same skull.

  77. calli

    From Top Ender’s link to Devine:

    Extraordinarily, all three had left the siege the night before to go home and rest for that 6am press conference, with Baird heading to the nearby Sheraton hotel. Burn clocked off at 10.10pm and Scipione soon afterwards, so neither was on deck when Monis snapped.

    The callousness of the delay in informing the families is barely reflected in the language of Counsel Assisting the Coroner, Sophie Callan: “The Dawson and Johnson families effectively deduced that their loved ones had been killed by a process of elimination, as they were the only families remaining,” she told the inquest.

    There can’t be enough publuc shaming for these three. Utter derelection of duty.

    I wonder if the location had something to do with the terrible need for showboating? In line of sight of Seven’s studio, nothing would pass unrecorded and broadcast immediately. Everything except reporting the deaths of hostages, the only thing the police seem to have control over that night.

  78. Makka

    Why was he free in the first place?

    Moslem.

  79. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    why TF wasn’t this POS taken out by SASR very early on?

    Too afraid of a backlash from the followers of a certain religion?

  80. Makka

    Special Air Service Regiment are based in Perth, if the heavy mob had been called in , 2 Commando at Holsworthy would have got the job.

    IIRC, Mater and Habib came up with some very insightful analysis of the operation as it was unfolding and shortly after, the best I’ve read anywhere. The Cat was all over this clusterfk, live.

  81. Senile Old Guy

    From the official reluctance to declare the siege by Iranian-born ISIS fan Man Monis a terrorist attack, to the political correctness of launching a police operation to combat Islamophobic hate crimes that never occurred, to Burn’s deletion of her text messages, the focus of police command seemed to be on everything but rescuing the 18 hostages held at gunpoint for 17 hours.

    All obvious at the time and noted on the Cat as exactly that, as the event attack was occurring.

  82. .

    Thunderfoot seems a bit pissed with the (mostly alt-right) sceptic community”.

    Looks like everything follows a cycle of growth and corruption. It is almost like watching a Mozart biopic.

    He has a point, they’re now starting to do what they accuse the left and feminist nutters of doing.

  83. calli

    Both residing in the same skull.

    That would explain why something I said to try to help Lucie was thrown back at me years later by Robbie Mac and the “disappeared” one. It must have really festered. Unpleasant.

  84. .

    Burn’s deletion of her text messages

    Oh shit. You have to be kidding me, right?

  85. Makka

    It must have really festered. Unpleasant.

    It’s a sewer inside there.

  86. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/rendezview/the-boats-will-be-back-under-bill-shorten-no-matter-his-denials/news-story/653b1d62ae2041f15d5ec01ba18c23fe

    Interesting statistic – Australia is one of 27 countries that resettles refugees – 160 other countries refuse…

  87. Senile Old Guy

    What an appalling indictment.

    The most telling indictment of the command structure was the claim by the two top cops, Scipione and Burn, who took home $1 million salary between them, that they had no operational responsibility on the night. Since when does a general step down when the war begins?

    Burn, then commander of counter-terrorism and special tactical operations, said she “took on a different role” that night. “The role I had been given as media spokesman was a crucial one,” she told the inquest. “It was paramount that my messaging conveyed tolerance so as not to fuel anger which may have led to bias-motivated crime.” In other words, potential Islamophobia was the priority, and six hours into the siege, Scipione ordered the launch of Operation Hammerhead to combat “bias crime”.

    F*ck the poor hostages, especially those that were murdered. Just get the media message right.

  88. Makka

    Haven’t seen Riccardo about for a few. Hope you’re ok, Riccardo.

  89. Heather Podesta, ex-wife of John Podesta’s brother & HRC Super Lobbyist, is on DC Police Foundation Board.

    Close to #SethRich investigation.

    I hear George Clinton had a close association with the police in 2003.

    Close to #SethRich investigation.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Haven’t seen Riccardo about for a few. Hope you’re ok, Riccardo.

    He’ll be back on the Cat, soon.

  91. egg_

    Peta Credlin says Shorten will start the boats up again:

    Insiders showed a clip of Albo’s recent appearance on Ch9’s Today with Chrissy Pahne accusing him of rustling his sabre for the leadership.

  92. Makka

    He’ll be back on the Cat, soon.

    Thanks Zulu, good to know.

  93. Pedro the Ignorant

    IIRC, Mater and Habib came up with some very insightful analysis of the operation as it was unfolding and shortly after, the best I’ve read anywhere. The Cat was all over this clusterfk, live.

    Makka at 11.35.

    +1.
    There were a couple of other rather obvious ex-military Cats commenting on exactly the same thing as the siege unfolded.

    It is my belief that NSW Police were never going to cede control of this situation to the Army out of a combination of misplaced belief in their own competence, turf war and political correctness.

    The lives of the hostages were very low on the list of priorities of the police commanders.

  94. Adam, while you’re right about the AFL the article was about NRL (rugby league).

    Nick,

    Didn’t they have an alternative national anthem last week? They’re just as bad.

  95. John Comnenus

    There is little doubt that the Cat’s crowd sourced analysis of the Lindt siege was largely correct on the night. I think if Cat’s got to ask the questions at the inquest the Coroner would have had a better report produced more quickly.

    Of course nothing will happen to any of the racist idiots in charge who ignored Monis in order to pursue their own racist and bigoted fear that Aussies would beat up truly racist bigots in this event were Sleepy Scipione, Bundy off Burns and Back away Baird.

  96. Rev. Archibald

    I hear George Clinton had a close association with the police in 2003.

    ..
    George Clinton the funk musician or George Clinton the founding father?

  97. Makka

    It is my belief that NSW Police were never going to cede control of this situation to the Army out of a combination of misplaced belief in their own competence, turf war and political correctness

    Absolutely correct. I’ll add- glory. Baird and NSWPol saw all manner of career enhancing and poll opportunities arising from the desperate plight of those Lindt victims. No matter what they were never going to give up those “goodies” to the benefit our SpecOps teams. They should all be up on charges.

  98. egg_

    The lives of the hostages were very low on the list of priorities of the police commanders.

    Made obvious to Joe Public.

  99. incoherent rambler
    #2385769, posted on May 21, 2017 at 9:49 am
    One wonders what other rotten apples this investigation will uncover
    NONE…
    The scripts are prepared.

    Agreed. That was the first thing to cross my mind when the AFP spokeswoman made it quite clear that Cranston snr was not in the frame for anything but chatting to his son.

  100. Pedro the Ignorant

    Having said the above, I should also acknowledge that the NSW police officers who had to kick down the doors and go in when Monis opened fire were very brave men, and did their best despite the directionless and incompetent leadership of the hierarchy.

    Not many people would be willing to run towards a crazed fanatic armed with a pump action shotgun and possibly wired with a bomb.

  101. egg_

    Sleepy Scipione, Bundy off Burns and Back away Baird.

    You don’t get to that level without being a political operator.

  102. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It is my belief that NSW Police were never going to cede control of this situation to the Army out of a combination of misplaced belief in their own competence, turf war and political correctness

    That’s my honest opinion – if the police had have handed over to 2 Commando, they would have been admitting that their policy had failed, and there would have been a backlash from the followers of a certain religion – “Our brother, Man Monis, shot by kufar!”

  103. stackja

    Lindt Café I blame ALP. Any others just inherited a mess.

  104. struth

    We are disarmed and our police are not only politicised but theirs is the politics of traitors.

  105. Makka;

    Oh fk, that lilly livered coward McCain is wetting his smelly old pants at the prospect of a Trump impeachment.

    I wonder if the Chinese have gotten hold of the interview records from when McCain was a POW?
    They’d make interesting reading, I bet.

  106. Johanna;

    What is a jam donut shooter? Is it a version of a potato gun? 🙂

    Yes. Only squishier.
    And softer.
    And jammier…

  107. C.L.

    Fake news gold medal to the SMH for its front page troll header:

    ‘Amateur!’ Trump mocked Obama for bowing to Saudi king. And then he did this

    “This” was bowing so a medal could be placed over his head.

    Here is what the SMH copy describes as Obama’s “alleged” bow:

  108. notafan

    As I also recall, terrified that if they took Monis out Western Sydney would erupt, while publicly pretending that muslims are all just law abiding Australian citizens.

    I suspect the post Cronulla riot gathering at Lakemba mosque (a religious building, right) flashing guns and talking up payback scared the pants off them.

    They let them riot at will through Maroubra that time but too many smart phones around these days.

  109. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    As I also recall, terrified that if they took Monis out Western Sydney would erupt, while publicly pretending that muslims are all just law abiding Australian citizens.

    Is there a better case for mass deportation?

  110. notafan

    If Cranston snr was involved he would have been out of country before you could blink.

    They had eight months to follow the money trail, and it seems they just watching it leave the country.

    There are other smarter operators involved, but it is not the Cranston Krew.

  111. stackja

    Lindt Cafe police were expecting Monis to set off a back pack bomb. More 20-20 hindsight.

  112. stackja

    C.L.
    #2385899, posted on May 21, 2017 at 11:58 am

    SMHamas again.

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder if the Chinese have gotten hold of the interview records from when McCain was a POW?
    They’d make interesting reading, I bet.

    I don’t have much time for John McCain these days, but he did admit that “Every man has his breaking point, and I’d reached mine” and he did refuse early repatriation, when the noggies found out that his father was a senior officer in the U.S. Navy – they wanted to show how merciful they were…

  114. Mark from Melbourne

    And yet Cats still religiously follow the afl, posting triumphantly how their teams are going each weekend.

    It’s pretty pathetic to rail against the progressive takeover of the country and yet simultaneously show enthusiastic support for one of the main progressive vehicles.

    Not so, Adam.

    I am still a keen Cats fan, but that doesn’t mean a cent of my hard earned any longer finds its way to either the Club or the AFL. You can still like the game and the team, without providing a skerrick of support to the code or the club.

    Mind you, like all good progressives, they are steadily stuffing the game itself up as well, but that’s another story.

  115. ZK2A;

    ….someone in the Turnbull Government has finally grown a spine?

    No, Z.
    Someone in the Turnbull government is muttering as if they had a spine.
    Maybe the skeletal structure will cross the Alternate Political Universe and lodge itself in someones back, but really, it’s a big call.

  116. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Lindt Cafe police were expecting Monis to set off a back pack bomb. More 20-20 hindsight.

    IIRC, they had already raided his house and found no evidence of any bomb making equipment?

  117. notafan

    We discussed the likelihood of a suicide vest atm, the police clearly came to the conclusion he wasn’t wearing one.

    No-one actually thought he had one, I don’t recall he claimed to have one, it was simply because he was muslim he might have had one.

    Another reason the stupid claim that it should be treated as a standard hostage taking situation was a nonsense.

    Don’t forget quite a number of people who were up close and personal escaped during the siege and the police had eyes on a lot of the time.

    Monis fired his gun ten minutes before he killed Troy and still they did not enter.

  118. Senile Old Guy

    Lindt Cafe police were expecting Monis to set off a back pack bomb. More 20-20 hindsight.

    IIRC, they had already raided his house and found no evidence of any bomb making equipment?

    And intel from hostages who escaped, again IIRC.

  119. srr

    Robert Kimbell‏ @RedHotSquirrel Feb 8

    Greece joined the EU in 1981, the €uro in 2001.
    Greek Youth Unemployment:

    44.2% 2017
    28.1% 2001
    13.8% 1981

    IndexMundi, TradingEconomics

  120. srr

    Voice of Europe‏ @V_of_Europe 6h6 hours ago

    The EU dictators have zero chance against Poland:
    https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/866018979013431297

  121. srr

    Voice of Europe‏ @V_of_Europe 8h8 hours ago

    Anti-Trump Protests Cost UK Taxpayer £290,000 This Year
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/20/anti-trump-protests-cost-uk-taxpayer-290000-year/

  122. struth

    Our police are politicized.

    They are a fucking disgrace.

    Most of the good cops ( Peel’s police) have left the force in disgust and the good guys left are cannon fodder who will remain on the end doing the dirty work.

  123. srr

    Voice of Europe‏ @V_of_Europe 18h18 hours ago

    UK – BBC Threatens to Contact Your Boss if an Online Comments is Perceived as Illegal
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/20/bbc-threatens-to-contact-your-boss-if-an-online-comments-is-perceived-as-illegal/

  124. stackja

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2385911, posted on May 21, 2017 at 12:10 pm
    Lindt Cafe police were expecting Monis to set off a back pack bomb. More 20-20 hindsight.

    IIRC, they had already raided his house and found no evidence of any bomb making equipment?

    More 20-20 hindsight?

    He migrated to Australia as a refugee in 1996 seeking political asylum.

    Who let him in? Who let him stay?

    On 12 December 2013, Monis and Amirah appeared before Magistrate William Pierce at Penrith Local Court where they were granted bail.

    In 2010 Monis was involuntarily hospitalised at Canterbury Hospital after displaying bizarre and erratic behaviour in a parking lot in Ashfield. A psychiatrist who assessed Monis said she believed he had chronic schizophrenia and needed to be on anti-psychotic medication.

    How many others should be held to account? Why concentrate on the Lindt Cafe? Just the end of a very sorry list of ‘failures’.

  125. Makka

    How many others should be held to account? Why concentrate on the Lindt Cafe? Just the end of a very sorry list of ‘failures’.

    Fair point, plenty more.

    The point is however, the Lindt Cafe was a showcase in public servant grovelling glory hunting that cost the lives of those innocent victims. The perps of that cluster deserve to be showcased for their greed and ineptitude.

  126. Snoopy

    Greece joined the EU in 1981, the €uro in 2001.
    Greek Youth Unemployment:

    44.2% 2017
    28.1% 2001
    13.8% 1981

    But Greece did get a nation-wide network of impressive motorways.

  127. C.L.

    Election winner!
    Christopher Pyne launches attack on Catholics,calls them liars:
    Pyne blasts ‘dishonest’ Catholic schools.

    “I don’t think the Catholics are going to get away with pretending that they’ve been dudded when they simply haven’t,” he said.

  128. Leigh Lowe

    Des at 9:35.
    Yes, I suspect the case against Cranston Major and his ATO colleagues will proceed at glacial pace and, when (if) it gets to the point that they have to go, they will be re-structured out with full redundancy and pension.
    One thing the club cannot abide is the prospect of there being punitive action (particularly loss of fully funded pensions) for criminal behaviour.

  129. And yet Cats still religiously follow the afl, posting triumphantly how their teams are going each weekend.

    It’s pretty pathetic to rail against the progressive takeover of the country and yet simultaneously show enthusiastic support for one of the main progressive vehicles.

    If you are so joyless in your life that you want to remove joy from everyone else’s lives too, you are not a lover of freedom. Let people enjoy things, don’t be a nanny Adam.

  130. Pedro the Ignorant

    This should be of interest to a number of Cats.

    The NSW Coroner Michael Barnes will deliver the results of the Lindt Cafe Coronial Inquest at 10am Wednesday 24 May.

    The findings will be published at this website ;

  131. Struth;
    The various Police Services in Australia have a legal monopoly on use of force, and specifically the use of armed force.

    We are disarmed and our police are not only politicised but theirs is the politics of traitors.

    Ever seen anyone willingly give up a monopoly position?

  132. struth

    Christopher Pyne is a ideological and moral vacuum.
    A career politician.
    The dictionary describes a career politician as……
    See “Liberal Party of Australia” or ” U.N operatives.

  133. Snoopy

    Ever seen anyone willingly give up a monopoly position?

    Flt Lt Jerry Rawling.

  134. struth

    Oh Monty, the hypocrisy is profound.
    Others here are going to point out the rake you just stepped on, I couldn’t be stuffed with you today.

  135. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    In 2010 Monis was involuntarily hospitalised at Canterbury Hospital after displaying bizarre and erratic behaviour in a parking lot in Ashfield. A psychiatrist who assessed Monis said she believed he had chronic schizophrenia and needed to be on anti-psychotic medication.

    a millennia of inbreeding will do that to you…

  136. Geriatric Mayfly

    Some images and clips doing the rounds of The Trumpinator’s extraordinary welcome to Saudi Arabia. Don’t go hunting for them, they will soon be on at week long loop from the ABC/SBS hive.

  137. candy

    I’m quite sure the Turnbull government is on an anti-Catholic binge to get their Newspoll up, seeing as Catholics got a bit of a “bad” name these days, they can manipulate that feeling, as they are manipulating anti-bank sentiment.

    At least the Catholic schools have Bill Shorten to help them with the school issue, so good for him.

  138. Others here are going to point out the rake you just stepped on, I couldn’t be stuffed with you today.

    So struth, you had just enough stuffing to whinge at me, but not enough stuffing to actually make an argument. That’s a pretty narrow band. Keep us posted on your stuffing levels.

  139. incoherent rambler

    Not many people would be willing to run towards a crazed fanatic armed with a pump action shotgun and possibly wired with a bomb.

    True.
    However, I would be prepared to take out an identified perp through a glass window with a 500 Jeffery.

  140. struth

    Can you think of a greater wanker than our treasurer?

    Not a f…ing ounce of self awareness in telling the banks they are unliked.

    Sort of like a totalitarian like monst talking about freedom to have fun.

    Then again, all beliefs can be immediately disgarded if they come between a victorian and football.

  141. Chris

    Good point Candy.
    I also think the smug are running the anti-Catholic operations to de-legitimise moral authority of Christianity as battle-space preparation for the gay marriage campaign. Its obvious in media like American movies, ALPBC prejudices and so on.

  142. Here’s the thing DB. You are conflating virtue and virtuous behaviour now.

    Moral choices can only really be made under liberty. You’re not going to be free under an evil regime by making moral choices. You’re going to be dead.

    I’d like it too if etymology dominated what words meant, but that isn’t how English works anymore.

    Liberty is righteous unto itself. I don’t disagree with what Aquinas said about this, but I’m not trying to rewrite divine law – only support ideas like free speech and so on which I believe are righteous unto themselves and deliver many utilitarian benefits.

    No, I’m not conflating the two at all. Virtue can be practiced, you cannot practice freedom. Freedom is a condition of virtuous conduct. Liberty is not righteous unto itself; it’s difficult to understand what that even means. I’m not even sure why you’ve dragged in Aquinas or divine law either.

  143. incoherent rambler

    ATO investigator (A): “What did you know about the payroll scam?”
    ATO employee (E): “Nothing, I was in the toilet at the time.”

    A: “Are you aware of any other scams in the ATO?”
    E: “Not my job, I just do what I am told. If there was anything criminal going on, no one would tell me.”

    A’s final report: “… clearly there is no evidence of wrongdoing in the ATO … they did everything humanly possible to prevent such a fraud …”

    If you like and pay me enough money and I will write the complete report.

  144. H B Bear

    Australia’s hairiest garden gnome didn’t disappoint during the ALPBC’s war on waste last night spending his airtime rummaging around in bins with some whack job (possibly his Dad?) from Marrickville (where else) who piles vegetable waste into anaerobic heaps and then sells the goop back to millionaire inner city hippies. Anyone who has had a compost heap turn anaerobic on them would have a pretty good idea what the whole place would have smelt like. Available on iView for “free” if you want a laugh.

  145. Infidel Tiger

    Oh my God. Essendon were escorted on to the ground by a LGBTQI coterie group.

  146. notafan

    Or maybe Turnbull thinks Catholics no longer have a voice in the community, the tribals though, may not be practising Catholics, but they still control a few of the unions so puppet Shorten is doing some bidding.

    Because Catholic schools aren’t safe schools, muslim majority or Apex breeding grounds in aspirational suburbs, not yet.

  147. John constantine

    Their shortens last government specifically designed and targeted the royal commission to reveal the Catholic Church covered up child abuse, to destroy the churches financial, moral and political capital.

    Now their apostate shorten is forgiven and clutched to the bosom of the faithful like a fresh faced choirboy.

    Trust shorten and get it good and hard as reward.

  148. H B Bear

    Well that rules out any of their supporters. Can’t imagine YMCA or Pet Shop Boys are on high rotation in the Essendon social club.

  149. C.L.

    Essendon were escorted on to the ground by a LGBTQI coterie group.

    LOL. AFL has always been a totally homosexual game. Now it’s official, that’s the only difference.

  150. .

    Freedom is a condition of virtuous conduct.

    ..and…

    I’m not even sure why you’ve dragged in Aquinas or divine law either.

    You’re not serious.

  151. Well that rules out any of their supporters. Can’t imagine YMCA or Pet Shop Boys are on high rotation in the Essendon social club.

    You would be wrong.

  152. Baldrick

    “I don’t think the Catholics are going to get away with pretending that they’ve been dudded when they simply haven’t.” – Christopher Pyne

    There go the Stupid.Fucking.Liberals again, attacking their private school base.

  153. You’re not serious.

    You’re not arguing well, dot. Freedom is a condition of virtue. That is a truism. And your introduction of Aquinas and divine law was simply unnecessary. Maybe you need to take a deep breath.

  154. John Comnenus

    Didn’t someone, perhaps Rabz, previously refer to it as GAYFL?

  155. Bill Thompson

    Outside Insiders this morning – Andrew Probyn & Katherine Murphy seem to think I’ve outed myself as a leaker. On the other hand, if I only quote public information & simply ask relevant questions, then I can’t see how I’m actually leaking anything.

    https://youtu.be/FReY-YtizRI

  156. .

    dover_beach
    #2385967, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:24 pm
    You’re not serious.

    You’re not arguing well, dot. Freedom is a condition of virtue. That is a truism. And your introduction of Aquinas and divine law was simply unnecessary. Maybe you need to take a deep breath.

    Aquinas wrote about this in detail. Yet you have “no idea” why I brought it up. Totally disingenuous.

  157. calli

    H B Bear
    #2385951, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Australia’s hairiest garden gnome didn’t disappoint during the ALPBC’s war on waste last night spending his airtime rummaging around in bins with some whack job (possibly his Dad?) from Marrickville (where else) who piles vegetable waste into anaerobic heaps and then sells the goop back to millionaire inner city hippies. Anyone who has had a compost heap turn anaerobic on them would have a pretty good idea what the whole place would have smelt like. Available on iView for “free” if you want a laugh.

    Yep, nice soldier fly larvae (maggots are soooo othering), and you only need to turn it once a fortnight! LOL

    I loved the magic shredder running on unicorn farts. A crank-turn chaff cutter would be much greener, but harder work.

  158. stackja

    C.L.
    #2385922, posted on May 21, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    Pyne blasts ‘dishonest’ Catholic schools
    Katina Curtis, Australian Associated Press [via dailytelegraph]
    an hour ago
    A senior Turnbull minister has blasted Catholic schools for running a dishonest campaign against the federal government’s new school funding plans.

    Christopher Pyne, who used to be the education minister but now looks after defence industry, says he’s not had a single email, phone call, letter or visit from a constituent complaining about how the government plans to change funding arrangements for Catholic schools.

    “I am quite disappointed in the Catholic education system nationally for running a campaign, using their parents’ money, that is dishonest and is trying to keep in place a system which is not fair to all Australians,” he told Sky News on Sunday.

    A little history:

    And it all started over a toilet block. On July 16, 1962, some 600 of Goulburn’s catholic students were enrolled in local public schools in protest over the state government’s lack of funding.

    The city’s movers and shakers, parents and religious were out to make a point. If the government couldn’t fund vital infrastructure at the city’s Catholic Schools, it should absorb them into the public system. The mooted six-week “strike” exerted maximum pressure and won national publicity.

  159. srr

    Never Outshine the Master
    Sargon of Akkad

    “Thunderf00t just went Bill Nye”

    “NEVER go full Bill Nye.”

  160. Libby Zee

    Both residing in the same skull.

    That would explain why something I said to try to help Lucie was thrown back at me years later by Robbie Mac and the “disappeared” one.

    Hah ha … there is only me, no-one else. Except in your skulls, of course … as you evidence every day. If they are looking in, Lucie and Septims (sic, Nick) and robbie mac and the “disappeared” one must be heartily laughing at the extent of your delusion.

  161. Aquinas wrote about this in detail. Yet you have “no idea” why I brought it up. Totally disingenuous.

    So did Aristotle. So did Anscombe. So did any number of other people. Mentioning Aquinas and divine law served no obvious purpose and was unnecessary to what either you or I said. Your mistake was elementary. Freedom is not a virtue. Not for Aristotle, not for Aquinas, nor for Anscombe. Of course, they each agreed that freedom was a condition of virtue.

  162. Mark from Melbourne

    Wonderful piece by Roger Franklin on the absolute tosh served up by The Aged this weekend over at Quadrant.

    That said, he must be taken sternly to task on one point.

    When reporting on a potential acquirer’s rep, one Joel Thickens, testifying before a Senate committee “whose questions reeked of suspicion in regard to his outfit’s ethics and intentions”, at no stage were the words “plot” and “thickens” juxtaposed.

    Shame on you, Roger. I begin to think you are really a Kostka boy…

  163. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    The Rudd government and Gillard governments have extremely impressive records. In fact in 2012 we’ve had the second most pages of legislation passed in Commonwealth parliamentary history, and this is despite a supposedly unworkable hung parliament. … Both Rudd and Gillard are good communicators. Rudd was an excellent communicator with the public and Gillard was better within the parliament and caucus.

    — Bronwyn Hinz

    Bronwyn Hinz – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/bronwyn-hinz/34832
    Bronwyn Hinz is an education policy consultant, PhD candidate at the University of Melbourne and a Visiting Scholar at Columbia University in New York.

  164. stackja

    No design flaws with navy ships: Pyne
    Australian Associated Press
    29 minutes ago
    Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne insists there are no major designs flaws with two of the navy’s largest ships docked in Sydney, saying they are minor issues with their propulsion systems.

    He believes these two landing helicopter dock ships, HMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra, may still take part in the Talisman Sabre military operation with the US and other nations that start at the end of June.

    “They can be fixed, they are being fixed and the helicopter carriers will be out at sea before too long and they are not damaging our national security,” Mr Pyne told Sky News on Sunday.

  165. notafan

    at no stage were the words “plot” and “thickens” juxtaposed.

    An opportunity to good to be missed.

    I do enjoy the relentless Aged vendetta.

    Gleeful grave dancing, no doubt, in the not too distant future.

  166. Apparently we spend around $30 billion a year to preserve our Indigenous Culture.

    Here’s what you got for your money.

  167. notafan

    It’s a great surprise to me that I have never been offered employment at the Age.

    Clearly have the appropriate spelling and grammar skills.

  168. stackja

    Men smashed their way into a Rockbank home overnight
    Brianna Travers, Herald Sun
    8 minutes ago
    A ROCKBANK family has described the terror of having robbers break into their home overnight.

    Jade Ribeiro said her mother, stepfather and 12-year-old brother were all “shaken” when at least six men smashed their way into their Sassafras Way home.

    The men, perceived to be African in appearance, smashed into a back window of a home before assaulting the occupants and stealing a set of keys about 3.15am.

    A male, 16, was arrested today and is currently being interviewed by police and the investigation is ongoing.

  169. Mark from Melbourne

    Gleeful grave dancing, no doubt, in the not too distant future.

    I’m not sure whether I doubt that, or whether said grave dancing should already have commenced…

    On the one hand, both bidders want to keep the Aged et all open. So actual grave dancing is unlikely.

    On the other, the reason they want to keep them open is as a vehicle for distributing Domain. Which means they are not considered actual newspapers by either buyer, but more like a sort of up- (or down-) market wraparound for real estate ads. In which case, the grave has been dug, filled and sealed. It’s just that the remaining tossers haven’t figured that out yet.

    Either way works for me.

  170. “They can be fixed, they are being fixed and the helicopter carriers will be out at sea before too long and they are not damaging our national security,” Mr Pyne told Sky News on Sunday.

    It’s a pity nobody at Sky thought to ask Mr Pyne just how many helicopters these helicopter carriers will be carrying, in the increasingly unlikely event that they are fixed by June.

  171. Mark from Melbourne

    Clearly have the appropriate spelling and grammar skills.

    For my sins, I have caught up with a bunch of ex-Fairfax journos and subbies a couple of times a year for the past 3 years. The party game is to get as far into an Aged article as possible before spotting the grammatical error. No-one to my knowledge has made it through an article (non-agency) for many moons.

    The other standing bet is to find an edition which does not confuse to/too/two. The pot has not yet been collected.

  172. Mark from Melbourne

    It’s a pity nobody at Sky thought to ask Mr Pyne just how many helicopters these helicopter carriers will be carrying, in the increasingly unlikely event that they are fixed by June.

    They are being mass produced right now in the props department of the ABC.

  173. Libby Zee

    I did like Melanias culottes but thought the big gold belt was overdone. And what was all that sword dancing on the spot about? It looked like a Night at the Proms.

  174. Oh my God. Essendon were escorted on to the ground by a LGBTQI coterie group.

    Case closed.

    Also, if you are watching AFL on TV just remember that you are the product.

  175. And what was all that sword dancing on the spot about?

    “Welcome to Country”, Saudi style.
    The actual act of beheading is omitted in the ceremonial version depicted.

  176. struth

    I really like this question. I was a “gifted” child – music, stage

    Aren’t you all.

    Please take that comment as the pisstake it was meant to be.

  177. Gab

    The men, perceived to be African in appearance, smashed into a back window of a home before assaulting the occupants and stealing a set of keys about 3.15am.

    Gosh, African appearance, really? And here’s me thinking they were all white male Presbyterians.

  178. Geriatric Mayfly

    Do I hear the feminists cry, ‘Where are the women in the Saudi entourage? None on the red carpet and not even an ‘er indoors, when they get settled inside the palace. Shurely, the old King would have half a dozen wives to choose from for ceremonial occasions, and as for Princesses, Saudi has them in numbers astronomical.

  179. And here’s me thinking they were all white male Presbyterians.

    They were.
    White male Presbyterians are known to be masters of disguise.

  180. Makka

    At least the Catholic schools have Bill Shorten to help them with the school issue,

    Turdball and the LNP have got themselves nicely wedged on that one. The Budget was a polls fizzer, now it’s the turn of the Catholics.

  181. Makka

    “They can be fixed, they are being fixed and the helicopter carriers will be out at sea before too long and they are not damaging our national security,” Mr Pyne told Sky News on Sunday.

    Don’t forget to check the dipsticks, dipstick.

  182. Gab

    So how’s Russiagate going? Any updates, monty?

  183. incoherent rambler

    “They can be fixed, they are being fixed and the helicopter carriers will be out at sea before too long and they are not damaging our national security,” Mr Pyne told Sky News on Sunday.

    And if necessary, we will rent helicopters from ATO employees, who seem to have a few to spare.

  184. Fisky

    Oh dear. The LDP/IPA’s open borders policies are still costing the budget $2 billion per year.

    Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has set a deadline of October 1 for illegal arrivals living in Australia to apply for refugee protection or face deportation.

    He said there are 7500 illegal maritime arrivals who have refused to provide detail about their claim for protection, dubbing them ‘fake refugees’.

    ‘We aren’t going to tolerate that any longer,’ he told reporters in Brisbane on Sunday.

    Many arrived without identity documents on boats run by people smugglers up to seven years ago under previous Labor governments.

    Mr Dutton said many were residing in Australia on government benefits which last year cost around $250 million in income support alone

    ‘If people think they can rip the Australian taxpayer off, if people think that they can con the Australian taxpayer, then I’m sorry, the game’s up and we won’t allow people to take Australian taxpayers for a ride,’ he told reporters.

    ‘This is a very serious situation that is costing Australian tax payers hundreds of millions of dollars a year.’

    Mr Dutton said the 50,000 people that arrived by boat in Australia has cost $1.9 billion last year and $13.7 billion over eight years.

    Never, ever listen to open borders “libertarians”!

  185. stackja

    Makka
    #2385999, posted on May 21, 2017 at 2:36 pm

    MT budget another ‘winner’ in long list of ‘winnings’.

  186. Mr Dutton said the 50,000 people that arrived by boat in Australia has cost $1.9 billion last year and $13.7 billion over eight years.

    Never, ever listen to open borders “libertarians”!

    Shades of Gillard’s NDIS scheme.

  187. Sparkx

    memoryvault
    #2385983, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:59 pm
    Apparently we spend around $30 billion a year to preserve our Indigenous Culture.

    Here’s what you got for your money.

    Yeah, cultural appropriation.

  188. Gab

    Carpe san, are you around?

  189. .

    srr
    #2385975, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm
    Never Outshine the Master
    Sargon of Akkad

    No, thunder foot was right in this instance. That hangout discussion is vile.

  190. Snoopy

    Has there been any calls from CNN anchors for Anderson Cooper’s sacking?

  191. Makka

    Mr Dutton said the 50,000 people that arrived by boat in Australia has cost $1.9 billion last year and $13.7 billion over eight years.

    If the LNP had any stones, at the start and end of EVERY single interview, Dutton should be quoting these numbers , including the number of dead. Every one.

    When he stands up in Parliament, all his remarks should be prefaced and concluded with these facts, then invite the filth and the Greens to explain themselves. This is the policy difference the LNP has, the only one, with the left.

  192. Oh come on

    Twiggy Forrest Pseud Watch

    In the beachside Perth suburb of Cottesloe – one of the very tippety-top wealthiest suburbs in the city – there’s a well-known mansion called Tukurua. It was built in the 19th century on an enormous corner block adjacent to the ocean. The house itself is of no particular architectural value as far as I can see, apart from it being very large and very old – by Australian standards, anyway. If you imagine a bog standard 19th century colonial-style homestead with a corrugated iron roof and a verandah wrapping around the place, well that’s Tukurua. But supersized. That means two storeys, a north and south wing etc. I imagine it must have dozens of bedrooms. It’s pretty ugly, actually, but there isn’t much around like it. And it’s not just the structure that makes the property quite unique; the block is pretty remarkable, too. In front of the house is a huge, windswept expanse of what appears to be a mix of occasionally mown weeds and sand dune scrub posing badly as lawn, then footpath, then road, then grass, then dune, then beach, then sea. For much of my life, the only thing that protruded from the earth belonging to the house – bar the structure itself – was a large ‘NO TRESPASSING’ sign that had been planted facing the ocean. No fence or wall. So the property has amazing sea views. But it has been badly in need of restoration for many decades, and has been gradually falling to bits – the long-time owner couldn’t afford to fix it.

    Anyways, you get the picture. Now, Twiggy bought Tukurua a couple of years back for $16.5 mil and made a big song and dance (in a typical ‘I’m not making a big song and dance about this’ kind of Twiggy way) about how he was using it to house refugee families (puke).

    Now, to feed in another strand to the narrative. The owner of the western suburbs’ local rag (Perth western suburbs = Sydney/Melb eastern suburbs, you eastern staters) The Post, is a bloke named Bret Christian. He’s not only managed to maintain and sustain a free and independent local newspaper (The Post is far better than its News Corp rival, Community News or whatever it’s called, and local advertisers know it); he also seems to have a fair bit of the old fashioned journalist’s nose for a story. He’s written a few books about WA police corruption, high profile cases of miscarriages of justice in WA criminal law, and so on. I reckon he’s kind of got Twiggy’s number and is gradually feeding him rope. A month or two back he had Twiggy on the front page of The Post, banging on about how he’s just a regular bloke, anyone could have done what he did, and all he needs in life is enough to put a roof over his family’s head and food on their table blah blah blah.

    In this latest edition of The Post, what is on the front cover? Why, a story about how Twiggy’s planning to double the size of the already enormous Tukurua by building out the entire front part of the block. He’s building a bloody palace! And he’s going to change its name to The Beach House. Note the definite article there. The Beach House. There’s only one.

    Oh, but I’m sure he’s only doubling the size of Tukurua The Beach House so he can fit twice as many refugee families in there, right, Twiggy? After all, he’s already got another luxury mansion in Cottesloe, so that’s the roof over his family’s head sorted, and I’ve got a feeling he can manage to put food on the table, so that’s done, too. What else could he be doing with The Beach House? More refugees – must be.

  193. incoherent rambler

    If the LNP had any stones, …

    Functional neurons would also be helpful.

  194. incoherent rambler

    err – Functioning.

  195. John constantine

    All major parties now believe in using airlifts for the mass importation debt funded ponzi peasant scheme that treasury has convinced them will beat the economic cycle.

  196. Nick

    Well that rules out any of their supporters. Can’t imagine YMCA or Pet Shop Boys are on high rotation in the Essendon social club.

    I can.

  197. srr

    Roseanne Barr‏Verified account @therealroseanne 11m11 minutes ago

    i remember giving both of my nieces books about the golden ratio and G-d and numbers/gematria. now both r physics majors!

  198. stackja

    Dutton sets deadline for ‘fake refugees’
    Colin Brinsden and Katina Curtis, Australian Associated Press
    14 minutes ago
    Refugee advocates are up in arms, saying Mr Dutton has delivered a ‘death blow’ to thousands of people who have been waiting patiently to file their claims.
    GetUp! organised a snap protest on the lawns of Parliament House in Canberra, attracting about 70 people.

    The group’s human rights director Shen Narayanasamy said the government had announced this knowing legal services were completely overwhelmed.

    “(This) is 7500 people that are living and working in our communities, that are possibly driving our cabs and our Ubers, that are cleaning the toilets in Parliament House, that have their children right now wondering whether they’re going to make the footy final in September,” Ms Narayansamy said.

    Dominic Ofner from the Edmund Rice Centre said the announcement came after the government had already cut legal support for people seeking asylum and put a freeze on the granting of protection visas – a freeze which was only lifted for all people seeking asylum in late 2016.

    Only last week Foreign Minister Julie Bishop was spruiking Australia’s commitment to human rights as part of the government’s campaign to win a seat on the Human Rights Council.

    “It is simply beyond embarrassing that our government is doing everything it possibly can to deny basic rights to 7500 people seeking asylum in Australia,” Mr Ofner said.

    Professor George Newhouse, Human Rights Lawyer from the National Justice Project said Mr Dutton’s announcement showed blatant disregard for the processes of the law, the cost of legal aid, “adding panic to uncertainty”.

  199. .

    So did Aristotle. So did Anscombe. So did any number of other people. Mentioning Aquinas and divine law served no obvious purpose and was unnecessary to what either you or I said. Your mistake was elementary.

    Yes, it does. At least Aquinas was discussing the divine law when he stated that freedom follows from moral behaviour. No mistake by me. If it is a truism, what is the basis of that position?

    Freedom is not a virtue.

    You are saying that ideas cannot have virtue, only actions. If this was true we couldn’t judge the righteousness of a law.

    Yes, it is, however. Moral choices can only be made consistently when you are free. This quality and the utilitarian benefit of liberty generally makes it virtuous.

  200. Oh come on

    Incidentally, I don’t resent Twiggy’s success. I resent his bullshit. Yes, Twiggy, you’re extremely rich. No problem. Good for you. No need to act like you’re a regular bloke struggling to get by just like everyone else or whatever. It’s condescending. You’re a billionaire. Everyone knows that.

    Have to say, I much prefer Gina Rinehart to Twiggy. Twiggy’s a prancer. Gina don’t prance.

  201. .

    Fisky
    #2386003, posted on May 21, 2017 at 2:46 pm
    Oh dear. The LDP/IPA’s open borders policies are still costing the budget $2 billion per year.

    That would be Dutton’s own policies, champ. The LDP has never been in government, despite however many terrorist attacks you’ve fantasised about.

  202. Ubique

    The ARU’s plans to cull one of Australia’s five Super Rugby teams, with Western Force the likely target, is generating a lot of heat in the pages of The Oz. Their moderators are far too precious: my comment expressing hope the board members of the ARU like lemon meringue pies keeps getting cut.

  203. Senile Old Guy

    And a nice little line in there:

    “(This) is 7500 people that are living and working in our communities, that are possibly driving our cabs and our Ubers, that are cleaning the toilets in Parliament House, that have their children right now wondering whether they’re going to make the footy final in September,” Ms Narayansamy said.

    They are ‘refugees’ and their main concern is making the footy final? Really? Really?

  204. .

    That Tukurua place doesn’t look that special. You see much nicer places on Meares or Collier’s.

  205. Fisky

    That would be Dutton’s own policies, champ.

    Unfortunately, the LDP largely applauded Kevin Rudd when he opened the borders in 2008, and we now have confirmation from Senator Leyonhjelm that the LDP supports “refugees” having welfare access.

  206. Oh come on

    It is special, dot. It houses many refugee families. And soon there will be many more living there, I presume. That Twiggy’s such a good guy!

  207. .

    Yes, Fisk, you know I don’t agree with that personally, and whereas the LNP gives it away to a lot more classes of immigrants.

  208. Andrew

    He said that if people refused to provide information about their identity, they could expect to be cut off from government income support, deported, and banned from re-entering Australia.

    Are we to believe that in the 2nd term, 4 years after RGR we still have people whose SOLE claim to be here is that they arrived on people smuggling boats? They did not in fact outline a claim under UNHCR conventions, or even state their INTENT was to seek asylum? And that there’s FUCKING THOUSANDS of them in this position?

    HTF can people be refos when they don’t even self identify as refos?

    Is any other country doing shit so stupid?

  209. Fisky

    Yes, Fisk, you know I don’t agree with that personally

    But from 2008-2013, you were completely in favour of opening the borders to illegal boat arrivals, with the predictable consequence of blowing out welfare spending.

  210. Oh come on

    Only Twiggy Forrest does virtue signalling that can be seen from space.

  211. OCO;
    I wonder if all the repairs are being done as a tax claim?

  212. Pedro the Ignorant

    . . . .that have their children right now wondering whether they’re going to make the footy final in September,” Ms Narayansamy said.

    That is just SJW code for “they are just regular folks, just like you and me, etc. They don’t really want to cut your head off or chuck gays off buildings, they just want to go to the footy”.

    Pig’s arse.

  213. .

    OCO

    He has genuinely done some good stuff for Aborigines. If he says he’s a caring guy I believe him more than Ian Rintoul.

  214. Fisky

    Country shoppers just loves DA FOOTY! Absolutely pathetic propaganda.

  215. .

    But from 2008-2013, you were completely in favour of opening the borders to illegal boat arrivals, with the predictable consequence of blowing out welfare spending.

    No Fisk, the policy was never that. You know what the policy actually was and you criticised it as it would “be hijacked by the left wing judiciary”.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  216. woolfe

    He makes his subbies employ 10% aborigines in their workforces, FMG, err, not so much.

  217. stackja

    Andrew
    #2386028, posted on May 21, 2017 at 3:13 pm
    He said that if people refused to provide information about their identity, they could expect to be cut off from government income support, deported, and banned from re-entering Australia.

    Are we to believe that in the 2nd term, 4 years after RGR we still have people whose SOLE claim to be here is that they arrived on people smuggling boats? They did not in fact outline a claim under UNHCR conventions, or even state their INTENT was to seek asylum? And that there’s FUCKING THOUSANDS of them in this position?

    HTF can people be refos when they don’t even self identify as refos?

    Is any other country doing shit so stupid?

    Is any other country doing shit so stupid?’ UK under Blair? Germany under Merkel? USA under BO/HRC?

  218. notafan

    When did the refugees move in?

    “The sale was very amicable, with the finer details taking a little longer to work out, but the Forrests have also graciously allowed myself and my charitable interests to remain in the home rent free for an extended period to complete my personal affairs.”

    Mr Smith will be able to stay in the property until March 2017, and will then move to an annex behind the building where he will stay until June 2017.


    The Beach House

  219. Makka

    But from 2008-2013, you were completely in favour of opening the borders to illegal boat arrivals, with the predictable consequence of blowing out welfare spending.

    Go easy Fisky. You know dotty has enormous trouble comprehending the consequences of his policies. SSM is just another example. Unless of course he does comprehend but pretends otherwise. My, that would rather sinister.

  220. notafan

    That is just SJW code for “they are just regular folks, just like you and me, etc. They don’t really want to cut your head off or chuck gays off buildings, they just want to go to the footy”.

    Who cares if they are regular folk anyhow

    They don’t have the right to live here and that is that.

    The extended family of Egyptian Copts got their marching orders a few weeks ago after failing in their protective visa application.

    Arrived on visitors visas in 2014 iirc, took their chances, time to go home.

  221. .

    I really can’t stand BuzzFeed, but this should make you think twice about Alex “Secret Dulce Base” Jones as a source.

    “During the week of April 10, 2017 certain statements were made on the Infowars Twitter feed and Youtube channel regarding Chobani, LLC., that I now understand to be wrong. The tweets and video have now been retracted and will not be reposted. on behalf of Infowars, I regret that we mischaracterized Chobani, its employees, the people of Twin Falls, Idaho, the way we did.”

    So was Alex Jones wrong SRR, or do we have ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED! +420!

  222. egg_

    Christopher Pyne is a ideological and moral vacuum.
    A career politician.
    The dictionary describes a career politician as……

    Unemployable in teh real world.

  223. .

    Makka
    #2386041, posted on May 21, 2017 at 3:21 pm

    Hilarious Makka. You don’t understand economics at all and you think people who disagree with you are traitors. You’re hysterical.

  224. Makka

    Hilarious Makka. You don’t understand economics at all and you think people who disagree with you are traitors. You’re hysterical.

    Yep, barrel of laffs dotty. At least however I’m honest , unlike lying traitorous xunts such a you.

  225. notafan

    A spokesman for Mr Forrest’s Minderoo charity said the Iraqis had stayed at Tukurua since they arrived in Perth but had recently moved into permanent accommodation.


    Not really

  226. Oh come on

    Dunno. But that was the claim I saw in print – in the same Post article in which Twiggy was banging on about how he’s just a regular Joe, IIRC – Tukurua was going to house refugee families.

    Twiggy’s got the scent of Bond about him, I reckon. Bondy won us the America’s Cup and ‘put Australia on the map’ or some such guff. Twiggy is going to single-handedly Bridge The Gap and end world slavery. They are both men prone to making big gestures attuned to the zeitgeist of the eras they operate in.

    Bondy turned out to be full of shit. Twiggy…well, he sure talks a lot of stuff that smells and looks a lot like shit. Let’s wait and see.

  227. Atoms for Peace

    If you really want to stop SJWs stone motherless dead in the ” refo ” debate, ask them how many people would they be happy to see enter Australia illegally.

  228. notafan

    On the plus side these all appear to be Christian families who were forced out of Mosul and Christian villages on the Ninevah plains.

    Father-of-three Waseem Neamah secreted his family out of the village of Qaraqosh on the outskirts of Mosul in 2014 in the face of the Islamic State advance.


    okay a handful got temporary accommodation

  229. Fisky

    Unless of course he does comprehend but pretends otherwise. My, that would rather sinister.

    It may well be true I’m afraid! Certainly it would take a massive cognitive defect to be unable to fail to comprehend the consequences of open borders policies. A cynical attempt to deceive people may be behind this!

  230. srr

    There is nothing and no one Dot won’t lie about.

    Dot luvs lying.

    Dot luvs seeing how many people buy his lies simply because he states them as if fact.

    Dot is not the only character that luvs playing that game, but Dot is the master at bedding down his lies in an exotic word salad that no one can be bothered tossing through to look for the meat he lies his lies contain.

    And like another cowardly liar, Dot relies on people not searching or scrolling back to see for themselves, just how bald faced their filthy lies are.

    srr
    #2385975, posted on May 21, 2017 at 1:35 pm
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/05/20/open-forum-may-20-2017/comment-page-4/#comment-2385975
    [the video Dot’s lying about is posted at that link]

    Never Outshine the Master
    Sargon of Akkad

    “Thunderf00t just went Bill Nye”

    “NEVER go full Bill Nye.”

    

    But at least it’s heartening to consistently see patriots call out Dot for the traitorous, lying xunt it is .

  231. Atoms for Peace

    If California is the state of nuts and fruits in the USA, which Australian State / territory wins that moniker .?

  232. Sinclair Davidson

    See the Bombers fly up!

  233. srr

    Gavin McInnes: France is your crazy ex-girlfriend
    Rebel Edge

    May 20, 2017
    (LANGUAGE WARNING) Gavin McInnes of TheRebel.media explains what’s really going on in France, politically and culturally.

  234. Fisky

    Twiggy comes across like a total fake. It’s a tell for how his business is really going.

  235. srr

    Roseanne Barr Retweeted
    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 10h10 hours ago

    Remember the Berkeley riot?

    That’s what they’re planning NATIONWIDE this summer.

    Summer of Rage | Mass Riots in July?
    Paul Joseph Watson

    May 20, 2017
    Militant leftists plan to “overthrow” Trump.

  236. stackja

    Atoms SA had Don Dunstan. NSW Wran/Walker.

  237. Atoms for Peace

    War on waste; chooks get the food scraps. Pre warming water goes into a bucket for the plants. Grass clippings get chucked around gardens and trees. Wood gets burned on site. Yellow bin swallows the other stuff. Excess fruit veggies are given away. Just think depression era, and waste is not a word..

  238. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If California is the state of nuts and fruits in the USA, which Australian State / territory wins that moniker .?

    A.C.T.?

  239. notafan

    Ms Forrest said she hoped Tukurua would continue to house refugees as long it was “open and free”.

    Famous last words from Twiggy’s daughter in that article

    This kind of fatuous sucking up to billionaires annoys me too, this is nothing to this family, nothing.

    One of my mum’s elderly friends spent years and years ferrying refugees on shopping trips, and every day on my way to work I see the same volunteers rock up at meals on wheels to take hot dinners to shut ins.

    The Forrests should be embarrassed.

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