Open Forum: May 20, 2017

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  1. Oh come on

    For every season…

  2. Oh come on

    Anyway, as I was saying over the page, am a bit surprised rolling tobacco hasn’t been subjected to heavier taxes so that a RYO cig with the same amount of tobacco in it as a pre-rolled costs the same as a pre-rolled.

  3. I’m amazed anyone can afford to smoke heavily anymore.

    It’s relatively easy if physically you’re pretty much confined to sitting at a laptop all day.

  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Night,all. Keep your head down, Memory Vault.

  5. It is still substantially cheaper to RYO, right?

    No, it was only ever “substantially cheaper” if you rolled really skinny durries, which people did – that was the only real advantage. Otherwise it was really only marginally cheaper, and that was mostly due to the fact that you tend to smoke more tailors than rollies.

    However, this Budget they have even removed that small advantage – but I don’t know the details.

  6. MsDolittle

    the fact that you tend to smoke more tailors than rollies.

    One can certainly lung down more tailors than rollies. Given the ritual of rolling.

  7. srr

    Dot is the m0nty of David Ickeism.

    Dot luvs David Icke.

    Dot wants to spread David Ickeism.

    Dot does it by lying that others do.

    but, it’s all good, it’s a public service, Dot’s such an obvious Judas goat, anyone who follows it deserves their fate

  8. srr

    calli
    #2386294, posted on May 21, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    Hey, why are we selling arms to the Saudi’s?

    Good question. Seems to have been overlooked in the Horror/Wonder of Trump.

    Oh enough with the lies.

    It’s been well covered and shared here and you Pro-UN trolls in see-through cover just stampede over it, like you do everything that doesn’t push the, ‘You can’t stop the Muslim invasion of the West, so stop trying.‘, Tokyo Roseing that goes on here 24/7.

  9. Yes, it does. At least Aquinas was discussing the divine law when he stated that freedom follows from moral behaviour.

    Sure, sure, that would make sense for Aquinas because that would mean the will was ruled by reason and habituated over time to act rightly, and therefore, that we were free from following base whims and desires. But the end of such right ordering isn’t ‘freedom’, it is the right ordering of our actions to what is true, good, and beautiful.

    Freedom is not a virtue.

    You are saying that ideas cannot have virtue, only actions. If this was true we couldn’t judge the righteousness of a law.

    You seem intent on using ‘virtue’ idiomatically without acknowledging this fact. And you are also muddying the waters by attempting to shift the focus from what is being denied, that freedom is not a virtue, to whether ideas can have virtue, and what you assert purportedly follows from this.

    Yes, it is, however. Moral choices can only be made consistently when you are free. This quality and the utilitarian benefit of liberty generally makes it virtuous.

    What part of ‘freedom is a condition of virtue’ don’t you understand? And, no, that ‘quality’ or ‘benefit’ could be characterized as good but not virtuous.

  10. srr

    President Trump Speech at The Arab Islamic American Summit – 9:15am EDT Livestream…

  11. Ubique

    The Australian is running a story claiming that accused drug mule Cassie Sainsbury was employed as a fly-in, fly-out sex worker in Sydney. If true, it would make young Cassie one of a few South Australians actually doing something productive and useful for a living.

    I’d would imagine if SA brothels could be hooked up to the grid, they could probably generate more power than the State’s wind farms. They’d also outperform any solar array, generating power by both day and night.

  12. srr

    Regina says:
    May 21, 2017 at 11:17 am

    LOL – ok, checked CNN for 2 minutes (off now) but they were talking about how it was ‘very similar’ to the “speech Obama gave in Egypt…except Obama didn’t mention terror”

    Then – LOL – he says
    ‘It’s interesting to notice the difference in the audience – Trump was speaking to the Leaders, Obama spoke to Students – and it was four days before the Arab Spring’

    HAHA – thanks CNN, couldn’t have said it better myself. Wonder if your audience is bright enough to hear what you just made so very clear?

  13. John Comnenus

    Pretty impressive effort from Trump. He gets all that leadership power in the room, tells them what’s what and signs a massive arms deal with his Sunni Allies. He did it because that is obviously in Russia’s interest (sarc). Trump is projecting power and the Arabs are sucking up to him, the Saudis even offering to broker an Israeli – Palestinian peace. It won’t last but it might set a precedent for deescalation.

    The quid pro quo will be more than a massive arms deal. My bet is that the US moves decisively against Iran once ISIS is smashed. I reckon the price Trump will extract for dealing with Iran will be for the leaders in the room to shut down the Sunni terrorists they sponsor.

  14. Delta A

    This could get interesting. From the $Oz:

    Lindt inquest a witch hunt, says police union

    NSW: Grassroots police claim the Lindt siege inquest was a “witchhunt” that unfairly targeted officers and let bungling Director of Public Prosecutions lawyers off too lightly. In an unprecedented attack on the coroner’s office, the DPP and the siege inquest lawyers, NSW Police Association acting boss Tony King said blame for the deaths of hostages needed to rest with gunman Man Haron Monis and the DPP for not appealing against Monis’s bail before the terror strike. “The reason these people died was that Man Monis was out on bail — for reasons that still haven’t been explained,’’ Mr King told Sydney newspaper The Daily Telegraph. He said he would email a 3400-word attack on the inquest to his 17,000 members today, two days before NSW State Coroner Michael Barnes brings down his findings on the three deaths in December 2014.

  15. John Comnenus

    Delta A

    You can always rely on the justice system to never find any fault in itself.

    Imagine in any other context a decision is taken with a risk that results in people dying. For anyone other than a judge this would result in very serious legal consequences. But not for a judge. They always walk away from their poor, life threatening, or worse, decisions unscathed.

  16. Notafan

    I blame the judge and senior police who are guilty of gutless because muslim.

    Taking into consideration immigrant backgounds in bail decisions, in determining guilt or in sentencing should be illegal.

    Send a clear message, you live in Australia you obey Australian law.

    If we now have 30% foreign born component should we have one set of rules for 70% of the population and another set for 30%?

    It’s absurb.

    It should be made clear from the outset that people must obey Australian laws, we dont formally teach them to our children so why is the onus not on immigrants to inform themselves.

    I don’t see the same excuse because foreigner working in Saudi Arabia or Dubai, for example.

  17. johanna

    The Man Monis saga is a fustercluck from the beginning. At every turn, the authorities pandered to him.

    He should never have been allowed to stay here in the first place. He should have been deported after his conviction for sending and even having delivered at funerals hate mail to the families of soldiers killed in Afghanistan. His behaviour escalated over a long period, culminating in involvement in a murder, but excuses were made for him yet again and he got bail. Even when he was in the Lindt cafe, he was treated with kid gloves (unlike his victims, who were left to fend for themselves.)

    There is a sickness pervading our culture, and until we do something about it, the next debacle is not a matter of if, but when. Indeed, ongoing slow train wrecks like the African crime gangs in Melbourne, forced marriages and FGM, indicate that the “when” is already with us.

    Throw the cowardly incompetence of the police into the mix, and what we know is that nobodyin authority is prepared to defend the ordinary people in case somebody on Twitter or Facebook has a whinge.

    No wonder PHON is striking a chord.

  18. Diogenes

    The Australian is running a story claiming that accused drug mule Cassie Sainsbury was employed as a fly-in, fly-out sex worker in Sydney. If true,

    Led the channel nine news last night, and Mrs D commented “that’s an interesting definition of personal trainer“.

    Nine also reported she conned the other girls in the brothel getting money of them , as her mother was dying/had died of MS

  19. Senile Old Guy

    A symptom of the problem:

    Dale Rheynolds is a mother of three, who moved to Canberra from Sydney a few years ago. Paying to visit a GP, particularly with her kids, was a completely new experience. “We have never paid to see a doctor in our whole lives,” she said.

    Well, Dale, somebody has been paying, if you weren’t. (But, of course, she is also paying, through taxes.)

    It wasn’t an easy adjustment to make – primarily, it’s a regular expense she simply wasn’t used to accounting for. “My weekly grocery bills and household bills were always calculated without this sort of cost,” she said. “Now we’ve got all this extra cost, because of the doctors.” Dale said she now avoids going to the doctor unless it’s “absolutely required”.

    Revolutionary concept: don’t go unless it is required!

  20. Top Ender

    Thanks for the book reference Snoopy. I have run a search on Abebooks for it – had the airstrip on my list but not the book.

  21. Senile Old Guy

    From the ABC:

    The families of Tori Johnson and Katrina Dawson have spoken for the first time of their anger at police tactics on the day of the Sydney siege. Speaking exclusively to Four Corners, they said they were devastated to hear during the inquest that police had only planned to go into the Lindt Cafe if gunman Man Haron Monis killed or seriously injured a hostage. “I can’t forgive people for that trigger,” said Rosie Connellan, Tori’s mother. “I’ll never be able understand how you can make a calculated decision that you wait for someone to die. It’s just beyond me.”

    What utter bastards those in command were. Discussed at the time, and over recent days, those in charge more concerned with their media image and with the mythical ‘islamaphobia’.

    Now, even in my younger days, I was no candidate for military endeavours but others here better suited to this have offered their expert opinion on how the siege was handled. I have also read a bit on how Israel deals with terrorists and they do not concern themselves primarily with the welfare of the aggressors.

  22. Shy Ted

    My girlfriend dumped me for stealing her wheelchair. I knew she’s come crawling back eventually. Just starting the week with lotsa minus points.

  23. Top Ender

    Hmmmm:

    Former defence force chief Chris Barrie says the world is on a countdown to war and a ­“complacent” Australia will not be ready when it comes.

    Admiral Barrie warned that Australia had been involved in “proxy wars” in Afghanistan and the Middle East in the past two decades, but the potential flashpoints for international-scale con­flict reminded him of the build-up to World War I.

    Speaking at the Australian Leadership Retreat on the Gold Coast, the man who headed the nation’s 59,000-strong defence force from 1998-2002 said most people had no idea what a major war would be like.

    As was the case in 1914, he was concerned that political leaders were “sleepwalking” towards war. “That scares me, because I think all the signs are looking bad,” Admiral Barrie told The Australian.

    He pointed to a number of destabilising­ factors, including tensions between China and nation­ states in the South China Sea, North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, US isolationism under President Donald Trump, the volatility of Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte and the risk that Turkey would fracture and become “another Syria”.

    Overlaying these tensions was the impact of climate change, ­increasing competition among nations for water and food resour­ces.

    Sort of instantly gives echoes of the 1970s “we are all doomed because of population; lack of oil; pollution” etc etc

    Link

  24. Snoopy

    Happy to help, TE. It looks like it was self published. I haven’t attempted to contact the author but I see on Trove that it is held at a few libraries.

  25. calli

    Fisky
    #2386331, posted on May 21, 2017 at 10:33 pm
    The Saudi people are a bunch of lazy, cowardly parasites. There would have been practically no resistance at all to occupying the country so long as you kept feeding them.

    Gosh, lets hope we never get that way.

  26. calli

    srr
    #2386361, posted on May 22, 2017 at 12:18 am
    calli
    #2386294, posted on May 21, 2017 at 9:15 pm

    Hey, why are we selling arms to the Saudi’s?

    Good question. Seems to have been overlooked in the Horror/Wonder of Trump.

    Oh enough with the lies.

    It’s been well covered and shared here and you Pro-UN trolls in see-through cover just stampede over it, like you do everything that doesn’t push the, ‘You can’t stop the Muslim invasion of the West, so stop trying.‘, Tokyo Roseing that goes on here 24/7.

    Bless you.

  27. John Comnenus

    Barrie is an idiot. Trump is not isolationist, but he is into making friends and foes accountable.

  28. john constantine

    http://www.firearmscouncil.org.au/index.php/2017/05/18/victoria-police-the-fight-has-started/

    This is an issue that their left will win eventually, but this vcat appeal is important as an attempt against their lefts occupation of the top level of policing, and the use of the top level of policing to create leftist:

    “Police Made Law”.

    Branch stacking police command with Stalinist political operatives should send a shudder down the spine of all citizens.

    When the branch stacked force command then makes the laws it chooses to enforce, instead of enforcing the laws of the democratically elected parliment, the downward spiral has begun.

  29. cohenite

    There is a sickness pervading our culture, and until we do something about it, the next debacle is not a matter of if, but when. Indeed, ongoing slow train wrecks like the African crime gangs in Melbourne, forced marriages and FGM, indicate that the “when” is already with us.

    Correct. And when tits shorten gets in you won’t even be able to talk about it.

  30. .

    Bugger the cleaning hose, get the firehose. Calli and Ted are smoking this morning.

    Ah good times.

  31. C.L.

    Dale said she now avoids going to the doctor unless it’s “absolutely required”.

    LOL.

  32. .

    Taking into consideration immigrant backgounds in bail decisions, in determining guilt or in sentencing should be illegal.

    Quite the opposite is actually true and operational right now. That’s the law. What an august and dignified institution. Only flawed people would dare to question it.

  33. Ultimately there is no second Earth we can economically move over to, so human economic activity in general will move towards sustainability,

    You’re too kind, Andrew. They conveniently ignore the fact that productivity also includes producing the same with less because it conflicts with their marxist world view. In that sense, sustainability is a con.

  34. .

    What part of ‘freedom is a condition of virtue’ don’t you understand? And, no, that ‘quality’ or ‘benefit’ could be characterized as good but not virtuous.

    So you’re sticking to the Aquinas line whilst denying its relevance and insisting on etymological meaning for one word even though the hundreds of thousands of other words in English are not imputed with meaning like this.

  35. .

    srr
    #2386360, posted on May 22, 2017 at 12:01 am
    Dot is the m0nty of David Ickeism.

    Hilarious. You’re still doubling down on “Pepsi uses fetuses”, “Chobani runs a child abuse ring” (even though serial loon Alex Jones has issued a retraction about that one) and now balls deep in the “Tommy Robinson saw a kebab shop owner grind up white British gals into a doner roll” and still believe Pi$$agate.

  36. Geriatric Mayfly

    Dale said she now avoids going to the doctor unless it’s “absolutely required”.

    Popping in to see the Doctor is a frivolous ritual for many of those who clog up waiting rooms. A triage nurse at reception would deter those who rock up with nothing better to do.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bwahahahaha!

    ‘Fast-moving clouds’: How CS Energy’s Kogan Creek Solar Boost project failed

    It was supposed to supply cheaper, greener energy to up to 5000 homes but after six years and tens of millions of dollars, a cutting-edge solar energy project has produced nothing other than a large taxpayer-funded pile of scrap.

    Three thousand solar panels sit unused on a concrete pad after the pioneering Kogan Creek Solar Boost project was shelved due to rusting pipes and “rapidly moving clouds”.

    That’s about $105 million gone, ~40% of which was from tax payers. Meanwhile even the Grattan Institute notices we’re in an energy crisis.

    Grattan Institute warns of looming summer energy crisis without reforms

    Of course they advocate all the usual stuff which caused the crisis in the first place. Ah well, can’t commit heresy now can we? I wonder when the Left will come to its senses?

  38. Baldrick

    “The reason these people died was that Man Monis was out on bail — for reasons that still haven’t been explained,’’ Mr King told Sydney newspaper The Daily Telegraph.

    No, the explanation is on the public record.

    Monis was released on bail just 6 days after the implementation of new relaxed bail laws, compliments of Stupid.Fucking.NSW.Liberals Mike Baird and his Attorney-General Greg Smith.

  39. john constantine

    24/7 robot software doctors on the way faster than you can expect.

    People are happy to google their symptoms anyway, so how much of a stretch is it to get an artificial intelligence program to do it for them?.

  40. calli

    “Tommy Robinson saw a kebab shop owner grind up white British gals into a doner roll”

    Robinson was referring to the Charlene Downes case. It has its own Wiki page.

  41. cynical1

    There is a sickness pervading our culture, and until we do something about it, the next debacle is not a matter of if, but when. Indeed, ongoing slow train wrecks like the African crime gangs in Melbourne, forced marriages and FGM, indicate that the “when” is already with us.

    I wonder if Catherine Burns made her bones walking the beat and kicking arse?

    No but diversity and equality.

    I’d ask Nixon, but she’s gone to an ” all you can eat” place.

    Could be gone a while.

  42. Roger

    A triage nurse at reception would deter those who rock up with nothing better to do.

    But if the doctor saw only sick people how would he make his lease payments on the BMW?

  43. Baldrick

    ‘Fast-moving clouds’: How CS Energy’s Kogan Creek Solar Boost project failed

    As opposed to ‘slow-moving’ clouds, which are more beneficial for generating solar power?
    Go figure.

  44. Rabz

    What utter bastards those in command were. Discussed at the time, and over recent days, those in charge more concerned with their media image and with the mythical ‘islamaphobia’.

    Yep, you’re on your own. But forget about trying to do something about preventing yourself becoming roadkill in such an incident (such as tearing mad monis’s throat out) as the authorities will then come down on you like a ton of bricks.

    Nice to see the ALPBC feigning concern for the victims as well, very touching.

  45. stackja

    The Daily Telegraph
    May 22, 2017 12:00am
    FAIR DEAL FOR BUREAUCRATS
    Just an idea, but this may be worth considering in the case of further deportation reviews by the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. Instead of merely overturning Immigration Minister Peter Dutton’s decisions to deport murderers, rapists, paed0ph1les, armed robbers and drug dealers, which means these dangers to the community remain in Australia, The Daily Telegraph submits that an additional regulation be introduced.

    It would work in this way: any time a murderer, rapist, paed0ph1le, armed robber or drug ­dealer is knocked back for deportation by the AAT, that person would be allowed to remain in Australia on the condition that he or she obtain a permanent dwelling no more than two properties away from an AAT bureaucrat’s house.

    This would not be a difficult regulation to enforce. The large number of AAT bureaucrats would ensure a helpful range of housing options. Furthermore, by allowing AAT bureaucrats to become closer to the individuals they have assisted, this would no doubt help in future deportation deliberations.

    At the least, let’s experiment with the new regulation for a trial period of, say, five or 10 years.

  46. stackja

    Terrorist Man Monis didn’t so much fall through cracks in security network as be pushed into them
    The Daily Telegraph
    May 22, 2017 12:00am
    Terrorist and murderer Man Monis didn’t so much fall through any cracks in Australia’s security networks as be pushed into them by a sequence of immigration and legal errors.

    And Police left to clean up another mess. Police did not have 20/20 hindsight.

  47. Rabz

    Overlaying these tensions was the impact of climate change

    Anyone citing that fact and evidence free anti-scientific horse manure is an irredeemable idiot, who has nothing to say of any consequence in respect of anything.

    “Overlaying his decision of what to have for breakfast was the impact of climate change.”

    Numpties.

  48. calli

    A story for Bruce of Newcastle.

    Move over Carolina Reaper. Enter the Dragon!

  49. calli

    Sorry. That was from Blair’s.

  50. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle at 0827

    “I wonder when the Left will come to its senses?”

    On the twelfth

    Of never!

  51. calli

    And that’s a long, long time. 😃

  52. Notafan

    Police made the decision not to go in til Monis shot someone.

    They are culpable for that.

    The hostages reaslised pretty quickly they would have to self-rescue and it sent a bonza message to the muslim community about how powerful they were.

    And we have Yassmin abdel-magied, the prancing pony, to prove it.

  53. Rabz

    Hey, Abbott! – give it a rest, you irrelevant dunderhead.

  54. Snoopy

    Popping in to see the Doctor is a frivolous ritual for many of those who clog up waiting rooms. A triage nurse at reception would deter those who rock up with nothing better to do.

    That sounds heartless. Send them off with reassuring words and a dose of castor oil instead.

  55. Notafan

    You on cheque or direct deposit Calli?

    I used to be on cheque but Australia post has gotten so unreliable.

    I blame capitalism.

  56. Roger

    Police did not have 20/20 hindsight.

    But they were advised they were using the wrong kind of ammo.

  57. Myrddin Seren

    Nine also reported she conned the other girls in the brothel getting money of them , as her mother was dying/had died of MS

    Saw that excerpt on Nein this morning.

    The look on the face of the reporter when the former co-worker of ‘Poor Cassie’ said she had conned the other ‘working girls’ was priceless.

    It was the ‘light going on moment’ where this guy, at least, realised Channel Nein had paid a fortune for exclusives with ‘Poor Cassie’s’ family in the hope of milking her saga as the New Schappelle and realising the average Australian will simply be waiting eagerly for her to get ten years in the Bogota Ironbar Motel.

    This may be academic too. Seven reported that ‘Poor Cassie’s’ lawyers had tried to injunct them in the Supreme Court yesterday from running an interview with her ‘fiance’. The Seven reporter speculated the lawyers were worried that the revelation that she was now turning informant for the Colombian police might be disadvantageous for ‘Poor Cassie’s’ long term well being. Indeed.

  58. Nick

    A farrago of lies:

    From Fauxfacts: Mr Broadbridge told Sunday Night that Cassie had been working for a commercial cleaning company that was once owned by her uncle Neil Sainsbury when she went overseas.

    He said the new owners paid for her trip to Colombia.

    But Mr Sainsbury, a former military investigator, told Sunday Night he had never owned a company, let alone a cleaning company, and that he had never employed his niece.

    “My niece Cassie has never been employed by me, I’ve never owned a business whatsoever,” he said.

    He questioned whether his 22-year-old niece was as naive as she claimed.

    “I believe Cassie has a bit of a history of skipping from one place to the next if things get a bit tough,” he said. “I don’t believe she was naive at all, she may have had knowledge, complete knowledge of what she was doing.”

    Ms Sainsbury’s father also questioned the “late-minute” nature of his daughter’s trip to Colombia, telling Sunday Night that she and Mr Broadbridge were making plans to head to the South American country as early as January.

    “I said to her, ‘don’t go, don’t be stupid’… after the big blow-up I had with her over that, she said ‘I’m not going dad’, and I said ‘thank you’,” Mr Sainsbury said.

  59. Notafan

    That doctor story is adorable.

    Going to the doctor’s shouldn’t involve making decisions about the allocation of scarce resources.

    Bulk billing is clearly the result of higher competition for customers in big cities.

    But still romps it in as easy way to make a killing without much effort at all.

    Just churn though til you hit your 80 patient daily limit and taxpayer bonanza.

  60. Nick

    Fauxfacts curiously omitting exactly how long these ‘refugees’ have had up to now to lodge any claims:

    Mr Dutton said the group of asylum seekers yet to lodge their claim cost taxpayers $250 million in income support last financial year, while the total welfare bill for “illegal” boat arrivals was $1.9 billion.

    “If people think that they can rip the Australian taxpayer off, if people think they can con the Australian taxpayer, then I’m sorry – the game’s up,” he said.

    Shadow immigration spokesman Shayne Neumann took issue with Mr Dutton’s use of the term “fake refugees”, but said Labor would consider its position on the announcement and encouraged asylum seekers to lodge their applications “as soon as possible”.

    Ali*, a 23-year-old refugee working in Canberra who completed his claim with legal assistance, said the process was difficult and lengthy.

    “You have to be very careful,” he told Fairfax Media. “The sentences and the questions that are asked on that form, it’s not easy language, even if you speak English.

    “You can’t really do it by yourself, you really need to see an immigration lawyer. The time fame that Peter Dutton is now saying is just horrible.”

  61. Bruce of Newcastle

    Move over Carolina Reaper. Enter the Dragon!

    Reputedly 2.4x10E6 Scoville units.
    I can manage to nibble on a habanero without freaking out but one of those would be a bit much.

    One of the nice things about all the cooking shows on tv is how you can get so much nice stuff even in the local supermarket now. Routinely there’re maybe 6 or 7 different varieties of chillis in my local bogan Coles whereas a decade ago you’d be lucky to see any at all.

  62. Snoopy

    Here’s an unpaywalled link to Bruce’s SMH failed solar project item courtesy of Fauxfacts’ Brisbane Times website.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/business/fastmoving-clouds-how-cs-energys-kogan-creek-solar-boost-project-failed-20170516-gw5p2u.html

    Memorable quotes:

    Solar works extremely well when the sun’s out.”

    He said at one stage Areva flew 40 workers to the site from the US but they arrived without appropriate safety gear or training.

    “They had no safety boots, they thought it was alright to go on site with normal shoes. I said: ‘Pack them back on the plane’.”

  63. Anne

    His awesomeness, President Trump calls Islam out for the Satanic cult that it is.

    …you choose the path of terror, your life will be empty, your life will be brief, and your soul will be condemned,’ he said religious leaders should tell Muslims.

    King Salman of Saudi Arabia said the way to heaven is to ‘promote the tolerant values of Islam, which are based in peace and moderation’

    Clueless “King” who hasn’t worked out we Westerners can read the foul Quran and understand Islam, counters with a feeble taqqya parry. Lol.

    What a time to be alive!

    Stay sharp though, tough times still coming.

  64. stackja

    Roger
    #2386429, posted on May 22, 2017 at 9:03 am
    Police did not have 20/20 hindsight.

    But they were advised they were using the wrong kind of ammo.

    And Monis’ backpack bomb?

  65. …the Disabil­ity Support Pension will grow by 5.7 per cent over the next four years.

    (from The Oz)
    Riddle me this Joker: how can the DSP rise while the NDIS, catering for the same group of Australians, grow exponentially at the same time?
    Tax payers are being ripped off.

  66. Roger

    And Monis’ backpack bomb?

    They’d determined to go in regardless, stacks…with the wrong ammo.

    Not criticising the police who went in, but the decision makers.

  67. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Conversely, consider the case of a Muslim who declares a “fatwa”, takes 18 random cafe-goers and employees hostage in the middle of the CBD of a major Western city in the name of Islamic State, flies the flag of Islam, threatens to blow the hostages up or shoot them, and executes one of them in cold blood.

    If that individual doesn’t meet the bar for being an Islamic terrorist, what more does he have to do to be defined as one?

    From the Oz – getting to the heart of the issue. If this was an act of terrorism, why weren’t 2 Commando called in? Civvie cops afraid of having the big finger pointed at them?

  68. John64

    I’m right behind Dutton’s attempts to deport fake refugees but I don’t fancy the Government’s chances of success.

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

  69. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sorry about that Snoopy – I never seem to hit a paywall at SMH for some reason, but then I don’t go there much these days.

  70. Snoopy

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Not to mention their anchor babies.

  71. calli

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Keep them in Australia. They can colonise the Maatsuyker Islands.

  72. Solar works extremely well when the sun’s out.”

    The extraordinary thing for me about the climate change scam is the belief that something as variant as the weather can be relied upon to provide continuous energy. I know people who swear by the miracles of solar and wind while at the same time lamenting the plight of the ‘poor farmers’ who coincidentally also have to rely on the variances of the weather.

    It just boggles the mind.

  73. Snoopy

    Don’t be sorry Bruce. It was a good heads up. But why Fairfax should give away on the BT what they charge for on the SMH is a mystery. Maybe it’s just to hurt the Courier Mail. In which case I wish them every success.

  74. Myrddin Seren

    From Bruce’s Kogan Creek solar link upthread.

    CS Energy pointed to steam pipes that rusted in the Queensland climate and “rapidly moving clouds”.

    What ?!

    CS Energy runs coal-fire power statons. You know – steam pipes, boilers. How the hell could people let the pipes rust ?

    veteran project manager….said pipes had rusted when they were left uncollected at the Port of Brisbane during the 2011 floods because of a dispute between Areva and shipping company DHL. As a result only 20 per cent of them were useable.

    How f**king long were they left sitting at Port of Brisbane ??

    Meanwhile, a shipment of steel Areva imported from China was of such poor quality it had to be buried as scrap;

    This can’t possibly have been a serious project ??

    He said at one stage Areva flew 40 workers to the site from the US but they arrived without appropriate safety gear or training.

    “They had no safety boots, they thought it was alright to go on site with normal shoes. I said: ‘Pack them back on the plane’.”

    How’d they get visas ??

    This is the best quote though:

    “That just means [the clouds are] going to get out the way and the sun’s going to come out again. Solar works extremely well when the sun’s out.”

    !!!

    Th whole thing seems to have been a cash grab from start to finish.

    Public Service Medals all round for this one folks !

  75. John64

    They can colonise the Maatsuyker Islands.

    Calli – an excellent suggestion but not remote enough. It’s only a 5km swim back to Tasmania.

    Heard Island would be much more suitable.

  76. areff

    I never seem to hit a paywall at SMH for some reason

    Use the Firefox “private window” feature when you hit the monthly limit. No more problems.

    Like everything Fairfax attempts to do, apart from rolling in its own excrement, its paywall is worthless.

  77. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Resettlement in Cambodia seems to have done the trick for some.

  78. srr

    calli
    #2386411, posted on May 22, 2017 at 8:31 am

    “Tommy Robinson saw a kebab shop owner grind up white British gals into a doner roll”

    Robinson was referring to the Charlene Downes case. It has its own Wiki page.

    It doesn’t matter.

    Whatever certain people say will always be verballed and twisted into something else by some posters, just as some posters will always find those who push the bullshitting, twisted, UN Agenda [ill]logic, endearing little pets who must always be respected and admired for one (usually accident), truthful thing they said once upon a time.

    Just as, when made by certain people, freely offered apologies and explanations are beaten down as lowly and weak, by the same people who constantly cry and demand apologies for things never said by those certain people, and even more telling, for general comments and observations of how the baddies work, that some people can’t help but take personal offence at.

  79. Bruce of Newcastle

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Deport them to Indonesia. That’s where they came from last. Certainly all those Iranians did.

    If the Indos complain tell them we’ll stop when they stop caning gays and gaoling Christians.

  80. Mark A

    Snoopy
    #2386445, posted on May 22, 2017 at 9:27 am

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Not to mention their anchor babies.

    I think the laws changed, and you don’t get automatic OZ citizenship if your parents don’t have at least a PR.

    On the matter of removal/deportation, it will not succeed, but there would be a way around it if the pollies had any backbone. Set up permanent camps or detention centres with boring work and no contact with the outside world.
    I guarantee you 99% of them would go home within a few months. Only those who have genuine fear of going home but for criminal reasons would prefer to stay.

    And in this case, ‘work won’t make you free’

  81. The Oz reports that Cranston snr advised his son on a strategy towards the end of the ATO fraud.
    “You just make sure you haven’t got anything in anywhere — you could be subject to search warrants”
    It is reasonable to assume that Cranston snr knew what was going on at the beginning of the fraud too.

    The poster (I’ve forgotten who) that said ” a script has already been written” would be pleased to see verification of that theory:
    The ATO’s acting commissioner of taxation, Andrew Mills, took staff aside during a series of meetings within the organisation last week and coached them on how to respond to family and friends who asked about the ­scandal.

    “You can say that a lot of this is fake news,” he said, according to a source present at the meeting.

    “There’s two stories here, one is (an alleged) $165m fraud that we’ve identified in a short period of time, and the other is about a deputy commissioner who (allegedly) did the wrong thing and was caught, which shows that our internal systems worked. Things are working.”

  82. Boambee John

    So that solar project was for mirrors to focus the sun into a heat beam, not photovoltaic.

    The California project is notorious for “smokers” and “flamers”, birds which fly through the beam and either depart with smoking feathers or crash in flames, depending on how much of the beam they pass through.

    If this project had been finished, it would have been the environmental duty of any true bird lover to sabotage it. Of course, no greenie would have felt obliged to do so, as none of them are genuine enviromentalists.

  83. Andrew

    FMD – people paid money to shag Cassie?? Enough to pay her airfare??

  84. Notafan

    Immigration knows perfectly well where they are from but at the very least they can go back to wherever they launched themselves from, which is Indonesia.

    They entered Indonesia with a valid passport and it isn’t on Australia that Indonesia chooses not to control her southern borders.

  85. John64

    “There’s two stories here, one is (an alleged) $165m fraud that we’ve identified in a short period of time, and the other is about a deputy commissioner who (allegedly) did the wrong thing and was caught, which shows that our internal systems worked. Things are working.”

    Who’d have thunk that Comical Ali ended up in Australia working for the ATO on a 457 Visa?

  86. Boambee John

    “How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?”

    Hand them into the custody of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tell the UN that if they will not accept custody of those whose case cannot be confirmed, then Australia will take no more refugees, reducing the number of countries in the world that accept refugees from 27 to 26.

    Join the majority of the “International communidy”.

  87. Snoopy

    I think the laws changed, and you don’t get automatic OZ citizenship if your parents don’t have at least a PR.

    Thanks for the correction, Mark.

  88. cohenite

    Bruce of Newcastle

    #2386408, posted on May 22, 2017 at 8:27 am

    Bwahahahaha!

    ‘Fast-moving clouds’: How CS Energy’s Kogan Creek Solar Boost project failed

    It was supposed to supply cheaper, greener energy to up to 5000 homes but after six years and tens of millions of dollars, a cutting-edge solar energy project has produced nothing other than a large taxpayer-funded pile of scrap.

    Three thousand solar panels sit unused on a concrete pad after the pioneering Kogan Creek Solar Boost project was shelved due to rusting pipes and “rapidly moving clouds”.

    That’s about $105 million gone, ~40% of which was from tax payers. Meanwhile even the Grattan Institute notices we’re in an energy crisis.

    Chinchilla CS and Moree photovoltaic solar power plants are also a useful comparison. In the case of the Chinchilla Plant, the total cost was to be $1.2 Billion, and the commitment from the feds $464 Million, and Queensland $75 Million, that total amounting to 45% of that overall total.

    The Moree Plant was to cost $932 Million, again nearly half of which will be ‘stumped up’ from the Feds and NSW Governments.

    No power will come from these shitheaps.

    And who can forget tim flannery and Geodynamics with hot rocks and the mug taxpayers down the hole to the tune of $100 mill.

    What a racket; where do I sign up.

  89. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 2h2 hours ago

    This is why France and Germany are pushing so hard to create an EU Army: they want to physically force countries to open their borders.
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/866416190717145089
    ..
    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 5m5 minutes ago

    5,000 “refugees” came into Italy by boat in just 48 hours.

    It’s time to stop rescuing and to start putting mines down in the Mediterranean.
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/866439297284677637
    ___________________

    Meanwhile, in the KSA, Trump points out the weak, shameful, dishonor of smart young men running away from their own countries to spread a loathing for themselves and their death cult, around the world, when they should and could be proud and honourable by staying in and returning to their own countries to be a part of building them into rich, prosperous lands for all their people (including their women and children), to be admired for, by people from all over the world.

  90. TE;

    He’s done 28 years and apparently is up for parole next month.
    I think he should be released.
    Into a long field in front of six blokes with hunting rifles. Five second start.

    Easy, but OK.
    I bags first in line.

  91. Anne

    …endearing little pets who must always be respected and admired for one (usually accident), truthful thing they said once upon a time.

    I said something truthful once but fortunately Apple phone has SpeechCheck.

  92. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 3h

    In 2008 a witness w/ Clinton’s private passport info was mysteriously killed.
    Lead investigator in that case oversees the #SethRich case.
    pic.twitter.com/ohS29ZWItS

    [by The Washington Times – April 19 2008
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAYVswRW0AA5U6s.jpg:large%5D

  93. C.L.

    LOL:

    Egyptian President Al-Sisi to Trump: ‘You Have Unique Personality Capable of the Impossible’… Trump: ‘I Agree’

    CNN scold tries to turn this against Trump. “Listen in to this clip we have.”

  94. srr

    😆 … Yes!

    Bill Mitchell‏Verified account @mitchellvii 6h6 hours ago

    You know what we should do? Start flooding the NYTimes and WAPO tip lines with all kinds of crazy “leaks.” Then laugh when they print them!

    … 😆

  95. Johanna;

    Your quest to make everyone into a teetotal vegetarian is of course, attainable. Venezuela is leading the way.

    Fail.
    Flamingos are carnivores so therefore they are not vegetarian…
    🙂

  96. srr

    As I was saying …

    Bill Mitchell‏Verified account @mitchellvii 11h11 hours ago

    Trump is not an interventionist. He is trying to create an Arab NATO where they can spend their vast wealth protecting themselves.

  97. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    He’s done 28 years and apparently is up for parole next month.
    I think he should be released.
    Into a long field in front of six blokes with hunting rifles. Five second start.

    Easy, but OK.
    I bags first in line.

    If I bring my own rifle and ammunition, can I play too?

  98. So Trump would have to bow his head to get the string over it.
    Photos click click click!

    Maybe I read too much conspiracy stuff, it’s bad for my brain.

    No Bruce, that was the first thing that went through my head when I saw the picture.
    Nevermind, I await with pleasure and popcorn, the Trump counterstroke.
    Actually, the arms deal was probably it. I had a graph showing the unit cost of the P51 during the war as more orders came in. Cannot find it.
    By the time the production lines were going flat strap, the fighter was cheaper than donuts.
    Trump has probably charged the RSAF near full price, and the USAF gets another one for the cost of a Camry.

  99. srr

    🙂 🙂 🙂 …. 😆 😀 …

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted
    no‏ @tbhjuststop May 18

    this is the best thing I’ve seen today wow 😳
    mitch
    https://twitter.com/tbhjuststop/status/865260709055254528

  100. Anne

    So Trump would have to bow his head to get the string over it.
    Photos click click click!

    “King” should have had one of his wives on all fours and stood on her back.

  101. C.L.

    Twiggy’s not one of these blokes who adheres to my old man’s advice about charity:

    “If you do something to help somebody, be quiet about it.”

    I just heard him being hailed for his “love” by Malcolm Turnbull.

  102. Fisky

    How the hell do you deport someone who arrived without any identification and refuses to say where they have come from?

    Let alone present them with the LDP’s $50,000 invoice which they must pay or else consequences.

  103. OCO;

    There’s something I’m a bit surprised the anti-tobacco wowsers haven’t gone after – rolling tobacco. It is still substantially cheaper to RYO, right?

    The Child Bride now rolls her own after I went cranky at the cost of tailor mades. $225 for a carton, and she smokes aprox 1.5 cartons a week.
    All of her wages go in smokes and booze.
    FMD.

  104. areff

    The Child Bride now rolls her own after I went cranky at the cost of tailor mades. $225 for a carton

    Solution #1: vape.

    Solution #2: make some discrete inquiries and find your local chop-chop outlet. There are three within half a mile of me. Three years ago, before cigarette taxes and prices went through the roof, there were none. Funny, ain’t it, how our political class fails to grasp that rising prices bring alternate suppliers into the marketplace.

    The best of my local chop-choppers now carries a variety of brands — Manchester and 888s, plus red, blue and menthol strength produced on premises. A blind taste test would discern no difference between chop-chop red and Bond Street Gold — no difference, that is, apart from $22 per packet for the taxed variety and $11 for the market’s back-room response.

    If the taste isn’t to the Child Bride’s fancy, remind her that she’s doing something useful in denying a wastrel government access to household funds it is perpetually intent on squandering.

  105. Anthony

    Okay, it’s a terrorist incident. But no one is saying whether it’s a catholic or presbyterian terrorist act.

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