Scream Test: ABC edition

This comment made on Q&A Monday night is causing a kerfuffle:

You’re more right likely to be killed by a refrigerator, in the United States, falling on you.

As Rowan Dean pointed out on Tuesday – within hours 22 refrigerators fell on some teenage girls and their parents and friends in Manchester.

Then we had this testable hypothesis from Tony Jones:

…  I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman (sic).

So according to the ABC refrigerators and policemen are the real menace to society.

Actually, no. According to the ABC, refrigerators, policemen and, our very good friend, Roger Franklin are the real menace to society.

As everyone now knows Roger wrote a rather impassioned response to the refrigerator menace.

It’s a monstrously absurd and obscene self-evident untruth to claim that refrigerators are more dangerous than terrorists, but it fits with the approved narrative, so not a peep from the man who is paid by the national broadcaster to promote fair, free, frank and factual debate on matters of national importance.

Now before we proceed I do want to point to a factual error Roger made. The ABC does not “promote fair, free, frank and factual debate on matters of national importance”. This is the organisation that claimed that Islam is the world’s most feminist religion, that people who question climate warming are paedophiles, that Australian navy personal tortured asylum seekers, that live exports to Indonesia were being mistreated before slaughter, that greyhound trainers were systematically abusing animals. I’m sure the list will be expanded in the thread.

Now I agree that the risk of being killed in a terrorist attack is somewhat slight. The risk of being killed in an aeroplane crash is very slight too – yet nobody ever argues that aeroplane maintenance is unimportant.

It is all a matter of perspective. As Roger then demonstrated:

What if that blast had detonated in an Ultimo TV studio? Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty.

Well. What a blast it was. The bed wetters are beside themselves in outrage. Twitter is in meltdown.  Our friends in the fifth column estate are expressing more outrage over a thought experiment and value judgement as to their contribution to humanity than they did over a murderous terrorist attack on teenyboppers. It didn’t take an actual explosion for the luvvies to see the errors of their ways but the mere thought of an explosion.  According to the Guardian:

In a strongly worded letter to the editor of Quadrant, the ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie, said ABC staff had to be reassured of their safety and safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory words.

The ABC called in a safety expert! Why? They have Lawrence Krauss on hand. A man who just on Monday night assured Australians – and presumably the ABC – that people were more likely to be killed by a refrigerator falling on them than in a terrorist attack. Do ABC employees not believe the statistics they peddle on our taxpayer funded ABC? You are perfectly safe people. Just watch for those refrigerators.

Confected outrage – and the scream test at work.

The other interesting thing is Chris Kenny’s experience – himself a victim of ABC bullying. Last night on Sky he gave a nuanced appraisal of Roger’s op-ed. He thought the idea of a bomb blast at Ultimo over the top. Today he wrote a column in The Australian making the same point:

So the argument, and indeed the anger, evident in a comment piece published yesterday by Quadrant online editor Roger Franklin was understandable. But he went way too far — he crossed a line in public debate that should never be crossed and can never be condoned.

Franklin dared to wish such violence upon the ABC — apparently to teach them a lesson — and in doing so he not only destroyed his own argument but diminished public debate in this nation.

Hmmmmmm – publishing photoshoped images of people fornicating with dogs doesn’t diminish public debate? Calling global warming sceptics paedophiles doesn’t diminish public debate? I digress. For his troubles Chris Kenny is now being accused of  condoning violence against the ABC.

In the meantime I can I suggest that if you are not already a subscriber to Quadrant that you become one.

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267 Responses to Scream Test: ABC edition

  1. Sinclair Davidson

    #I’llridewithRoger

    Excellent.

  2. Roger

    #I’llridewithRoger

    Another Roger.

  3. Chris

    Me too.
    I wont bomb with anyone because that would involve violence against women and gays. But I will say that he is right that a bomb at Ultimo would not reduce the intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty of our national debate.

  4. Adelagado

    Does the ABC seriously believe a Quadrant reader will plant a bomb under Ultimo at the urging of Roger Frankin? Apparently so. Call the cops.

    Do they think a Muslim will bomb your local shopping centre at the urging of Mohammad? Nah, no way. You are more likely to be killed by a fridge.

  5. “I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman (sic).”

    Perhaps, but you’d be far more likely to be killed by another black person, rather than a cop.

    With the Manchester atrocity, the old liberal post-attack mantra has had to change. The usual we mustn’t offend Muslims, candle-lit vigils, fine sounding speeches and showbiz airheads lecturing us from behind the walls of well fortified mansions was met with a wall of rage – enough is enough. People are fed up of attacks and the politicians anemic responses to them. The message is handle it or we will.

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2015/11/19/terrorism/

    Pointman

  6. GerardB

    I am a proud subscriber to Quadrant and Roger Franklin’s article was certainly worth the cost of subscription. And More.
    He nailed the ABC luvvies and hoisted them up by their own tawdry and morally bankrupt petard.
    Having reread the article, there is nothing to apologise for.

  7. jupes

    #I’llridewithRoger

    Me too.

    I thought Bolta would take the Chris Kenny line about crossing lines lines in public debate however it’s heartening to see that he is riding with Roger as well.

  8. Baldrick

    Roger and Quadrant need to escalate and not back down with an apology.

  9. test pattern

    ‘The message is handle it or we will’

    You are what the NSW Police call a Fixated Person. Mental illness probably unprovable, nevertheless a Royal Commission into you should be held. Fuck off back to ur sewer of hate and don’t come back.

  10. Mique

    I’ve been a subscriber to Quadrant for many years, and a monthly reader for years before I subscribed, way back into Robert Manne’s editorship, and I’ve never seen such a tempest in a teapot caused by any article in the magazine or in Quadrant Online. Only an illiterate idiot, or someone reading in bad faith, could possibly interpret Mr Franklin’s article as anything like a direct or implicit threat. What it does prove is that Mitch Fifield is a fool and that Michelle Guthrie is unfit for her job, an even greater waste of space than her predecessor.

    If the editors of Quadrant retract or even apologise, I’m cancelling my premium subscription.

  11. jupes

    The usual we mustn’t offend Muslims, candle-lit vigils, fine sounding speeches and showbiz airheads lecturing us from behind the walls of well fortified mansions was met with a wall of rage – enough is enough.

    Yeah because if we offend Muslims they won’t help us stop the terrorists among them from murdering us. Seriously.

    Well that’s the official line anyway.

  12. duncanm

    btw – if you’ve yet to read Roger’s piece, and can’t get in to quadrant (DDOS attack?_, use the power of google cache: here

  13. the sting

    Just sell the ABC . It is unethical that they are in competition with commercial broadcasters.

  14. Troll manoeuvre numero uno – attack the messenger and ignore the message.

    Pointman

  15. LGS

    Then we had this testable hypothesis from Tony Jones:
    … I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman (sic).

    As a matter of fact (not theory), if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by another black American.

  16. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Great stuff, Sinclair.

    Perhaps you could issue some smelling salts to a few of the LDP types who are shaking all over twitter.

    Roger is most likely at the golf course, not giving a rat’s arse.

  17. Lysander

    #I’llridewithRoger

    I like this but I’d like to make it a little more artsy and say #WeleaseWodger

  18. EB

    Personally I couldn’t care less who says what, Abdel-Magied or Franklin, but aren’t you using the edited version of his comment?

  19. Just sell the ABC .
    It is unethical that they are in competition with commercial broadcasters.

    The ABC owns little in the way of tangible assets, produces nothing of commercial value, and costs $1.2 billion a year to run and maintain. Who would buy it?

  20. the sting

    I trust that Roger is not a ”lone wolf” in this battle with the ABC .

  21. Sinclair Davidson

    Roger is most likely at the golf course, not giving a rat’s arse.

    Roger is at dinner in Sydney. I know this because I’m feeding his cat over the two days (actually no. 2 son is feeding the cat, but you get the idea).

  22. RobK

    I’m having difficulty logging on to quadrant to pay my subscription. I will persevere.

  23. Umm… Why on earth does Testes think he has the right to order a contributor off the Cat?

    Testes, of all people. The most disliked commenter on here, the most hated troll, a disgusting piece of work who pressured a young Aboriginal family member to perform oral sex on him on a pier?

    If anyone needs to fuck off back to a “sewer of hate”, it’s that racist bigot.

  24. A Lurker

    I heard a term today that I think is applicable to the ABC and the rest of the fifth column, sorry fifth estate – that term is ‘Traitor Class’. I think that terms sum up the majority of our media, academia, judiciary, politicians and the perpetually offended.

  25. JC

    Sinclair

    This bedwetting is both ridiculous and hysterical. As I said on the open thread… Roger was of course being hypothetical and offering a Sophie’s Choice…. ie a binary choice. If the choice was nailing a bunch of sweet innocent teenboppers and their accompanying parents at a concert, or gaggle of horrendous leftwing, taxpayer money hoovers promoting propaganda on their ABC, what reasonable well adjusted person wouldn’t say, nail the latter group. This isn’t even a issue that ought to be up for discussion.

    I’m shocked the ABC CEO isn’t being clear headed about this.

  26. Entropy

    The aren’t traitors in the direct sense, lurker. They are just the pigs and their supporters at manor farm.

  27. Bruce of Newcastle

    Quadrant subscriptions phone number is 03 8317 8147.

  28. @testpattern, I’m reliably informed by hair trigger went off to quickly. My apologies.

    Pointman

  29. Rayvic

    That these comments were made on the biased ABC’s Q&A program is not surprising. There is no doubt that the ABC is going from bad to worse.

    In any case, Tony Jones was misleading in his claim: “I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman (sic).. “. In fact, black Americans are half as likely as American whites to be killed by a policeman.

    There is no longer a need for taxpayer funding of the ABC, as there are now alternative providers for all of the ABC services. If the Turnbull Government were serious about governing Australia and reducing the seemingly out-of-control budget deficit, it immediately would commission a review of the ABC with terms of reference seriously examining the privatisation of the ABC and SBS. Their privatisation would result in a saving of some $2 billion per year.

  30. JC

    vr
    #2389462, posted on May 24, 2017 at 5:02 pm

    This brouhaha has madee it into The Telegraph (UK). The comments aren’t supportive of the ABC.

    Of course they aren’t, vr. That’s because reasonable people are seeing Roger’s clear headed hypothetical. No wants to see an entire Q&A program nailed. It would be unspeakably evil. But gun to my head/any decent reasonable person’s head….. the choice is concert going teenboppers or Q&A ratbags demanding more taxpayer cash for every conceivable thing, my choice would be made in the NY second. I’d also sleep well that night knowing that even though it was a terrible decision, it was also the far superior one.

  31. egg_

    #I’llridewithRoger

    +1

  32. vr

    JC — I suspect the reaction from the ABC crowd is a little hysterical because they worry that a large fraction of the Australian populace has nothing but disdain for what they are shoveling.

    Here’s an idea. If Turnbull wants to get some respect from newspoll, the easy way would be to privatise the ABC.

  33. JC

    Me too Egg

    #I’llridewithrogerfranklin.

  34. Nick

    No comments yet at O’Malley’s article. The SMH wouldn’t be waiting for supportive comments I wonder?

  35. Mindfree

    Signing up for quadrant now

  36. the sting

    Perhaps the Sydney based Cats can organise a ” fridge line ” around the entrance of the ABC studios to keep out potential terrorists.

  37. jupes

    If the Turnbull Government were serious about governing Australia and reducing the seemingly out-of-control budget deficit, it immediately would commission a review of the ABC with terms of reference seriously examining the privatisation of the ABC and SBS.

    No. Just do it. We pay politicians to make decisions. It’s way past the time that they start making a few.

    Reviews, inquiries etc are just excuses for legal types to hoover a shit ton of taxpayer cash. How about the inquiry into the Lindt cafe terrorist attack. It took two and half years.

  38. jupes

    I’m shocked the ABC CEO isn’t being clear headed about this.

    LOL

    I’d be shocked if she was.

  39. JC

    That reminds me… Lawrence Krauss is a despicable, bald headed insignificant twerp. Just putting it out there. I wish a fridge fell on the fucker just to prove a point.

  40. Squirrel

    There is such an obvious win-win solution to all of this – slash the ABC’s funding and divert the savings to a generously-resourced de-radicalisation program. We have it on the very best authority that current efforts are sadly under-funded –

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-27/australias-de-radicalisation-programs-arent/8476680

    Of course, an ABC with funding slashed would make a much-smaller target (just in case one or two anti-public broadcasting “bad apples” were missed by a European-style de-radicalisation program).

  41. Des Deskperson

    The saddest thing about all this is that neither the the Manchester atrocity nor Roger’s article will make any difference whatever to the self-esteem, complacency and smugness of Krauss and Chalibi, who are almost certainly beyond any sort of shame or humility.

  42. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Perhaps the Sydney based Cats can organise a ” fridge line ” around the entrance of the ABC studios to keep out potential terrorists.

    Rreminds me on when Liz hooked up with Warney and a UK tabloid arranged the delivery of a new mattress to his home for the benefit of the cameras.

    Perhaps there’s some second hand fridges on Gumtree that can be employed…a little like Daleks!

  43. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Journolism Twitter is outraged about Roger’s article.

    All are misquoting it and most likely haven’t read it.

  44. Roger

    Quadrant to withdraw Roger’s piece.

    Author reportedly being counselled.

  45. Nelson Kidd-Players

    (That’s if one T. Abbott hasn’t bought them all up first.)

  46. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Quadrant magazine today “unreservedly apologised” to ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie for an online article that suggested it would have been better off if the Manchester terrorist had bombed the public broadcaster’s Sydney headquarters.

    The magazine’s editor in chief, Keith Windschuttle, responded to Ms Guthrie late today in a letter agreeing the “intemperate wording” in the article was a “serious error of judgment and should not have been published”.

    The article will be withdraw from the magazine’s website, he said.

    Subscription to Quadrant cancelled.

  47. Sinclair Davidson

    Quadrant to withdraw Roger’s piece.

    They can’t afford a protracted fight with a $1.2 billion government funded organisation.

  48. NewChum

    Message for quadrant : do not back down or apologise.

    If anything, escalate.

    They are circling for a kill. Give them another punch in the nose and they will skull off.

    You’ve also figured out the Donald Trump method for business promotion, now turn it into subscribers.

  49. Fisky

    DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO QUADRANT!!

    FFS, what a bunch of losers.

  50. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Franklin must resign at once.

    Quadrant contributors must be harangued and harassed until they have a breakdown.

    Windschuttle should get a necktie and enter the ladies toilets.

  51. Senile Old Guy

    Quadrant to withdraw Roger’s piece.

    They can’t afford a protracted fight with a $1.2 billion government funded organisation.

    That’s the same imbalance of power that is killing conservative media in this country.

  52. NewChum

    What?!

    You just lost a supporter, quadrant.

    Oh, so the legal troubles might be too much?

    When you give the bully your lunch money, he always comes back for more.

    Cuckservatives, the lot of them.

    Always escalate. What were they going to do? Sue for hurt feelings? 18c you for racism against old white peoples?

  53. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Fairfax Media reports that the Australian Federal Police have been notified about Franklin comments and that security is expected to be tightened during the program’s next episode, which is to be held at Parliament House.

    XUNTS. Utter xunts.

  54. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO QUADRANT!!

    Can’t be said enough.

  55. Dr Fred Lenin

    Can any cat help me howmany lawsuits have westinghouse and kelvinator had to fight regarding their products killing people?
    The alpbc comrades are doing what the US media are busily engaged in ,self destruction , President Trump is giving them all the rope needed to hang themselves and like good socialists they are obliging .

  56. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO QUADRANT!!

  57. Sinclair Davidson

    gentlepeople – fighting takes money. Money means subscribers. Please subscribe to Quadrant – they need the support.

  58. Yon Toad

    Typical of the confected outrage from la Guthrie and her ABC. I recommend Matthew 7:5 to Guthrie and her cohort.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    Quadrant to withdraw Roger’s piece.

    Sad about that, as I think some creativity could have been used to finesse them – like a typical ABC non-apology apology. Like apologising that Roger was misunderstood and saying we’re sorry that Ms Guthrie as head of Australia’s foremost media group is seemingly unable to understand satire. Lots of possible riffs like that, and about how a huge government organisation persecuting a small independent publication.

    But in war it’s important to know when to confront and when to retreat. Quadrant has made their point and now has to survive to continue the fight. I ask Cats not to cancel their subs.

  60. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Can they publish a retraction quoting the retracted article in full? Wouldn’t want to be misunderstood – context is everything.

  61. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    gentlepeople – fighting takes money. Money means subscribers. Please subscribe to Quadrant – they need the support.

    They fight about as well as 8 year old girls who have been torn to shreds by nailbombs.

  62. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Peter van Onselen‏Verified account @vanOnselenP 6h6 hours ago

    Peter van Onselen Retweeted Julia Baird
    Quadrant isn’t what it used to be that’s for sure….it’s become an embarrassment to itself.

    Damn straight.

    12 hours ago they had some stones.

  63. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But in war it’s important to know when to confront and when to retreat. Quadrant has made their point and now has to survive to continue the fight. I ask Cats not to cancel their subs.

    I certainly won’t be cancelling mine. The whole matter shows what a mob of whining snowflakes the A.B.C. are.

  64. Entropy

    This is my commitment. Keep that Franklin piece online, and I will subscribe.

  65. Gazman

    How typical of the luvvies to take a “what if….?” analogy and turn it into a “I want to …!” threat. What a bunch of pathetic snowflakes.

    Roger Franklin made an excellent point and should be applauded for his article.

  66. NewChum

    Insert Mel Gibson monologue about fighting with blue paint on here.mpg

    Fighting what? Fighting how? By running at the first sight of trouble?

    Finally had the ABC looking like the pack of shrieking nancies they are, then concede they have a point?

    Publishing a bunch of poetry and pontificating about what might be is not fighting. It is fiddling on the deck of the titanic.

    Tame opposition and useless bully victims, the lot.

  67. Senile Old Guy

    gentlepeople – fighting takes money. Money means subscribers. Please subscribe to Quadrant – they need the support.

    I will still renew: was going to before this and this event has not changed that.

    I certainly won’t be cancelling mine. The whole matter shows what a mob of whining snowflakes the A.B.C. are.

    It exposes the ABC as utter hypocrites and bullies: happy to dish it out but cannot take it.

  68. Robber Baron

    I love the left going into meltdown. They are bullies. They use their power, lawfare and thuggery to their advantage. They have no sense of balance.

    Last week, Alan Joyce showed his petulance and went way too far over a pie incident.

    This week, Guthrie beclowns herself as a CEO.

    The left are, as Trump rightly points out, LOSERS.

  69. Roger

    Quadrant has made their point and now has to survive to continue the fight.

    I think it’s more a case of Roger has made his point and the Quadrant board has ordered a retreat.

  70. Gab

    Not sure why those taxmoochers at their ABC as so outraged11!!11. Their ABC is quite safe from any terrorist attacks given how much support they provide to islamic terrorists.

  71. Nelson Kidd-Players

    It’s the fridges they are worried about, Gab.

  72. An apology is an admission of guilt, to the ABC of all institutions to cave in to.

    Next will be Roger’s head on a plate to be delivered due to the admission of guilt.

    It’s not hard people; never ever apologise. When will conservatives learn?

    Game over for Quadrant.

  73. Fisky

    An apology is an admission of guilt, to the ABC of all institutions to cave in to.

    Quadrant will never be able to attack the ABC again. They’re done.

    DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO QUADRANT!

  74. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    The ABC is discussing future opportunities with Muslim activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied, despite axing the show she hosts.

    That’s how it’s done Quadrant. You fucking losers.

  75. JC

    Quadrant does not have the money to defend against the full on attack by their ABC.

  76. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    James Jeffrey‏Verified account
    @James_Jeffrey

    Dear God, the comments…

    One of The Australian’s staff sneering at the people who pay his salary.

    An interesting business model the have at The Paywallian.

  77. Senile Old Guy

    The ABC is discussing future opportunities with Muslim activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied, despite axing the show she hosts.

    That’s how it’s done Quadrant. You fucking losers.

    Easy to do with a billion dollars and the acquiescence of the major political parties, which will report you for ‘hate speech’ if you criticise them.

  78. Fisky

    It’s not hard people; never ever apologise. When will conservatives learn?

    It’s so fucking obvious. It just involves, not saying anything at all!.

    Is there a law that says you have to respond to every statement made by your enemies???? No. You can just say nothing, do nothing, wait till they’ve yelled themselves blue in the face, and then go back to abusing them after a week or so.

    The ABC can’t just physically take control of your jaw and open and shut your mouth to emit an apology!

  79. Mique

    Any lawyers in here? What exactly would be the ABC’s cause of action against Roger Franklin and/or Quadrant were they to tell them to shove it?

    I suspect that if Quadrant simply ignored Guthrie, there would be no further action taken, and no court to take it.

  80. Dr Fred Lenin

    Australia prime minister is contemplating action against quadrant for threatening his alpbc a source who is familiar with his thinking told a CNN repoter today ,

  81. Fisky

    Quadrant does not have the money to defend against the full on attack by their ABC.

    And what attack might that be? Is there a serious likelihood of defamation/libel being pushed against them? No. What law were the ABC actually going to trigger against Quadrant???

  82. Hey Keith and Roger, just take back the apology. Say you were fucking with them. Go on, you can do it. You know you want to.

  83. Adelagado

    I was about to subscribe to Quadrant. I had my credit card out of my wallet and clicked onto the registration page. But then I got an Error message that said ‘try again later’.

    So I sat and watched The Drum while waiting. What a pathetic grovelling performance by Quadrant board member Nick Cater. Franklin’s article was magnificent apart from perhaps a few loose words, but Cater had not a word of support. (Did he even read it?)

    No subscription from me now.

  84. Entropy

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2389612, posted on May 24, 2017 at 6:28 pm
    James Jeffrey‏Verified account
    @James_Jeffrey

    Dear God, the comments…

    One of The Australian’s staff sneering at the people who pay his salary.

    An interesting business model the have at The Paywallian.

    Journalists will always side with journalists. Besides, I would not be surprised James fancies a gig at the ABC eventually, you know, when he wants to spend a couple of decades coasting to retirement.

  85. Roger

    Quadrant does not have the money to defend against the full on attack by their ABC.

    What was actionable in Roger’s piece?

    Biting, sarcastic invective, to be sure, but no laws were broken and no reputations defamed.

  86. If Quadrant doesn’t have the cash for a legal fight, what about them showing some guts and calling for pro bono legal support and launch a crowd funding appeal?
    They haven’t even put a toe into those waters.
    I am so disappointed. Heroes to Zeroes in a nanosecond.
    Love areff’s work but how can he now keep all the wonderful credibility he has built up over a sterling career.

    In retrospect, it shows how desperate the middle/right side of politics is for a strong conservative leader.
    The left has people queueing up to lead the spending of taxpayers money and to destroy our way of life through open borders and social engineering.

    Conservatives in Australia have no-one and saw areff’s piece as a lightning rod for sensible thinking.
    Gone. Very disappointing.

  87. Then we had this testable hypothesis from Tony Jones:

    … I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman (sic).

    Actually, I understand the statistics show that other black Americans are the most likely to be an existential threat to black Americans.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    I would have sent out Joe Dolce to make a statement.
    And he would have sung his song….and then walked back inside.
    If I was in charge that is.

  89. Roger

    I suspect the board of Quadrant are merely concerned about their standing on the cocktail circuit.

  90. Bruce of Newcastle

    Quadrant does not have the money to defend against the full on attack by their ABC.

    What was actionable in Roger’s piece?

    Doesn’t matter.
    That’s why ABC must be abolished. They’re classic Stalinists.

  91. What a bunch of cucks. There. I said it.

  92. Fisky

    They are indeed cucks. I’m never buying their worthless journal again.

  93. Infidel Tiger

    Nick Cater! That explains it.

  94. JC

    And what attack might that be? Is there a serious likelihood of defamation/libel being pushed against them? No. What law were the ABC actually going to trigger against Quadrant???

    There was a veiled threat of lawyering up by their ABC’s CEO. If they had done that, it would have meant Quadrant would also need to. Q runs from the smell of an oily rag out of Keith’s basement. Let’s get real here.

    Just seeing a wig wouldn’t leave much change from 20K.

  95. Snoopy

    Journalists will always side with journalists. Besides, I would not be surprised James fancies a gig at the ABC eventually, you know, when he wants to spend a couple of decades coasting to retirement.

    James Jeffrey and Mike Bowers regularly play with each other on Insiders.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    If Quadrant doesn’t have the cash for a legal fight, what about them showing some guts and calling for pro bono legal support and launch a crowd funding appeal?

    War is for the young. Keith Windschuttle and Roger Franklin are not young.
    We see what the personal cost is from guys like Steyn and the flower sellers and the cake makers. They aren’t in their seventies.

    Never frontal assault a well-prepared entrenched defender who has massive fire support available. Fight on your ground not theirs.

    I mentioned Pointman’s essay on the Climate Wars the other day (hi Pointman!). It is exactly what we must do:

    Every one of the skeptics was a lone volunteer guerilla fighter, who needed absolutely no logistical support of any kind to continue the fight indefinitely.

    Don’t make the mistake of shooting your allies because they aren’t Charles Martel reborn.

  97. Wil

    Quadrant has fallen as low as it can get, in my regard.
    What is now its purpose in life going to be?
    Weak as water, not worth reading.

  98. entropy

    why buy goods that don’t match what is on the label?

  99. JC

    Fisk

    Ease up. They don’t have the money.

  100. Fisky

    Quadrant has fallen as low as it can get, in my regard.
    What is now its purpose in life going to be?
    Weak as water, not worth reading.

    Exactly, it doesn’t matter that I might agree with 95% of what’s written in Quadrant. Once an organisation cucks itself, they lose all respect. No comeback.

  101. Fisky

    Quadrant has fallen as low as it can get, in my regard.
    What is now its purpose in life going to be?
    Weak as water, not worth reading.

    Exactly, it doesn’t matter that I might agree with 95% of what’s written in Quadrant. Once an organisation cvcks itself, they lose all respect. No comeback.

  102. BrettW

    All I can say is that as far as I am concerned the ABC does not represent my views. Far from it. I consider them part of the problem and would consider it a great day if their budget was cut massively or they were just shut down. They are working against the interests of the country and unfortunately the Coalition has no balls to take them on. They are a massive propaganda machine working against half the population.

    Sad to hear about the backdown by Quadrant. Clearly some serious pressure was applied but should not have caved in so quick as the ABC reaction was pathetic.

    Now understand why Guthrie got the job. She is perfect for leading such an organisation. The PM must be very happy with her performance so far.

  103. stackja

    Quadrant annoying all the right people. Better than any MSM!

  104. Infidel Tiger

    You don’t need money. You need principles.

    Quadrant’s Board should be hunted down and beheaded.

  105. Rev. Archibald

    Not having money frees you.
    Look at Pickering.
    Fucks sake.
    If they don’t have the guts for it, better to keep their fucking gobs shut than make themselves yet another example to others not to take the regressives on.
    Idiots.
    And if you are an Editor, then edit.
    And then back up your editorial decisions.

  106. Delta A

    When, in the future, we look back and wonder where it all went to hell, we shall be able to pinpoint this day as the true beginning.

    Quadrant, our flagship, has fallen.

  107. Gab

    Quadrant does not have the money to defend against the full on attack by their ABC.

    Exactly! You gotta know when to fold ’em, know when to hold ’em.

  108. Fisky

    CUCK cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck…cuckURK!

  109. egg_

    I suspect the board of Quadrant are merely concerned about their standing on the cocktail circuit.

    +1

  110. Gab

    Any outrage from those outraged by RF over those who were massacred by the muslim extremist?

  111. Rabz

    that people who question climate warming are peddophiles

    Don’t forget “Holocaust deniers”.

  112. JC

    People, stop the drama queening. Quadrant is not cash rich like their ABC.

    Bolt’s defense against being 18c’d cost around $1milion bucks. It didn’t go to the high court because of the money.

  113. H B Bear

    This is why the Right will never win the culture wars.

    It may as well not bother turning up.

  114. Darryl O'Brien

    And this is how the left wins. When one of theirs makes offensive, obscene comments (to numerous to mention) they close ranks. Conservative commentators do draw attention to the remarks, demand action but the wagons are circled tighter and protection assured.
    Then someone such as Rodger writes a well reasoned article and uses rhetorical flourish to emphasis a point. This brings out the left who howl and demand action, otherwise the right are hypocrites. Sadly, more often than not the right values abstract principles more than holding the line. And the we lose another, and so the process repeats until there are no more to speak for us.
    I remember Obama at a rally saying get in their faces, if they bring a gun, we bring a knife – and no one criticized him (imagine if Trump said such a thing). Unfortunately, whilst the right continues to fight by Queensbury rules and the left fights in the gutter we will continue to lose. Just to be clear to any lefties reading , these examples are rhetorical literary devices used to illustrate a point and not to be taken literally. After the reaction to Rodger’s article, one can’t be to sure.

  115. Nick

    Any outrage from those outraged by RF over those who were massacred by the muslim extremist?

    This I suspect, is one of Roger’s points.

  116. In a strongly worded letter to the editor of Quadrant, the ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie, said ABC staff had to be reassured of their safety and safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory words.

    Yo! You ABC triggered pansies! I get worse said about me every day on Facebook.
    Have a drink of cement, you bunch of skirts.

  117. Snoopy

    People, stop the drama queening. Quadrant is not cash rich like their ABC.

    Please explain the basis of any ABC action.

  118. BrettW

    Just watched The Drum segment about Quadrant and was cringeworthy stuff.

    Talking about whether Roger will keep his job.

    Hopefully ABC monitoring this thread and appreciate the contempt many hold for the majority of their presenters and the organisation in general.

  119. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    The vast herd of dimwitted leftoids will make good cannon fodder for the next world war.

  120. the sting

    The inflammatory words were from the ABC,as usual.

  121. Helen

    I am not cancelling my premium subscription. I started the full monty subscription when they got defunded by the arty left crowd that hand out the money. They exist by subscription alone. The left art wank hoped to shut them down, but we, the subscribers, said no. I am proud of that. None of the left mags can live without taxpayer forced funding.

    I see it this way. The piece is on the internet – it can never go away or be done away with because the internet is forever. Roger Franklin said what many of us have said/feel/wish. So we win. Words said cannot be unsaid, even with an apology most grovelling a la Nick.

    I want Roger to live to fight another day. Having done it once, he can do it again, but briefing a silk would cost biggies. Look how much it cost ALA in a fight they didn’t loose – about 750K wasn’t it? In the meantime I am hoping some such silk decides, in the interest of fairness and free speech, to offer his services to Quadrant should such a situation arise again. For free.

  122. Infidel Tiger

    Conservatism must be abandoned. It is a femininised cowardly death cult.

    We need to assemble an army of Keks and take back the promised land.

  123. calli

    Spare a thought for our friend areff. Apparently he is being “counselled” for his Wrongspeak.

    We know what that means.

  124. candy

    Its just mind boggling that Ms Guthrie, the most elite public servant in Australia, highly educated, took one emotionally worded article as an actual death threat to the entire ABC. Incredible.

  125. Stimpson J. Cat

    We need a catchy slogan to show our support.
    I have it.

    “I don’t mind being Rogered.”

    #IdontmindbeingRogered

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    I suspect the board of Quadrant are merely concerned about their standing on the cocktail circuit.

    +1

    -1
    Very hard to afford cocktails after receiving a seven-figure legal bill.

  127. duncanm

    anyone got an old fridge they want to dispose of? I suggest the front door at Ultimo.

    (NAVT)

  128. egg_

    “I don’t mind being Rogered.”

    Methinks the Googlebot just got Rogered.

  129. Nick

    We know what that means.

    Conservatives don’t have a naughty step anymore ?

  130. egg_

    Very hard to afford cocktails after receiving a seven-figure legal bill.

    I doubt they sought a legal opinion on the matter.

  131. Beachside

    Just my 2 cents, FWIW.

    Cancelling Quadrant subscriptions will mean their ABC have won.

  132. Sinclair Davidson

    I doubt they sought a legal opinion on the matter.

    Lawfare is problematic even if it has no serious basis.

  133. Roger

    I doubt they sought a legal opinion on the matter.

    Seconded.

    If they did they were wrongly advised.

  134. Up The Workers!

    Violence against the A.L.P.B.C.?

    Should be made compulsory – and twice daily on days when Q. & A. is aired.

    Anybody know where a cheap fridge-tossing trebuchet can be bought?

  135. jupes

    Rowan Dean told Bolta that Roger’s article was “stupid”.

    Bolta agreed and apologised for earlier backing Roger’s “satire”.

    Is there anyone left in the Australian media who will write a decent article?

  136. Tintarella di Luna

    If the editors of Quadrant retract or even apologise, I’m cancelling my premium subscription.

    Mique please don’t — the subscriptions keep the place afloat — I think in this case discretion is the better part of valor and they live to fight another day. Mitch Fifield hasn’t disappointed – he’s proved to be the gutless, useless, talentless, witless, treacherous hack I always thought him to be –

  137. Stimpson J. Cat

    Lawfare is problematic even if it has no serious basis.

    I still think they should have waited until they could see the whites of their eyes and the flames of the torches reflecting off the pitchforks.
    Too much too soon.
    They should have delayed and consulted as long as possible.
    This was due to outside Conservative pressure, not ABC pressure I am 69.795% certain.

  138. Snoopy

    Lawfare is problematic even if it has no serious basis.

    Oh dear.

  139. Beachside

    Mitch Fifield hasn’t disappointed – he’s proved to be the gutless, useless, talentless, witless, treacherous hack I always thought him to be –

    Fact check: True!

  140. Infidel Tiger

    Rowan Dean told Bolta that Roger’s article was “stupid”.

    Bolta agreed and apologised for earlier backing Roger’s “satire”.

    Is there anyone left in the Australian media who will write a decent article?

    Cowards one and all.

    The death spiral plummets ever onwards.

  141. Gab

    Lawfare is problematic even if it has no serious basis

    The only people who truly understand this, that the process is the punishment, are the ones who have been subjected to it.

  142. Bruce of Newcastle

    I doubt they sought a legal opinion on the matter.

    Pay a thousand bucks to be told the bleeding obvious?
    Lefties get pro bono from activist silks, born and raised in lefty university law departments.
    Ordinary folks don’t get that service.
    Conquest’s 2nd Law sucks.

  143. Leo G

    In a strongly worded letter to the editor of Quadrant, the ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie, said ABC staff had to be reassured of their safety and safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory words.

    What kind of safety expert assesses the risk from moral equivalence?
    But I am impressed by how the ABC perception of risk from Islamic terrorism has changed since Monday night.

  144. People, stop the drama queening. Quadrant is not cash rich like their ABC.

    Please explain the basis of any ABC action.

    Snoopy has a very good point.
    Far worse is said about me on Facebook, publicly, mostly by people I’ve chucked out of the pub, or people I’ve sacked.

    Cops refuse to take a complaint – the threats on life are not “direct to me in person”
    Facebook refuses to remove the posts, or to moderate the posters “protected comment”

    Thus I’m struggling with what the triggered snowflake frail sensitive offended tax-hoovers at the ALPBC can possibly complain about?

  145. What this all proves is that when the average Cat commenter’s rhetoric is exposed before a mainstream audience, the reaction from all normal people is to recoil in horror from hateful extremism. If 4 Corners did a piece on Catallaxy Files, Sinc would be forced to shut the site down.

    The surprising thing is that anyone who is not from the Cat ever reads Quadrant any more.

  146. Terribly sad to watch Nick Cater, a real warrior of the Right & Board member of Quadrant abjectly apologise on The Drum tonight. Not that it was accepted graciously by the ferrets on the panel, who still tried to savage him.

    But Gab and Bruce are right – it is easy to be self righteous when you are not in the firing line of the institutional strength of the ABC & its fellow travellers.

    It is galling when so much worse has been routinely thrown at conservatives with all manner of threats & abuse. And yes, yes, the Right has to adopt the same “take no prisoners” attitude of the Left.

    Unfortunately, there are going to be some battle losses along the way in this monumental fightback from ground lost over the last 20 years. We will all have to fight our individual engagements & support those who fall along the way.

  147. candy

    Ms Guthrie could have said, “that’s a bit over the top Roger” and he would say, “yeah sorry, we are all a bit overwrought because of kids blown up, sorry”. And she would say ” true enough”. Story finished.

  148. Bruce of Newcastle

    What this all proves is that when the average Cat commenter’s rhetoric is exposed before a mainstream audience, the reaction from all normal people is to recoil in horror from hateful extremism.

    Yes true M0nty. People don’t like 8 year old girls dismembered all over the place.
    The guy who did it was your political ally.
    So was Stalin.

  149. Leo G

    What this all proves is …

    m0nty must have a good spin doctor to be able to cope with the continual recoil from all this hateful extremism.

  150. .

    JC
    #2389689, posted on May 24, 2017 at 7:08 pm
    People, stop the drama queening. Quadrant is not cash rich like their ABC.

    Bolt’s defense against being 18c’d cost around $1milion bucks. It didn’t go to the high court because of the money.

    Great point. Clearly no one here has ever seen a court case unfold. At least 12k a day to run a court with duty solicitors and a magistrate.

    Now in a superior court with multiple instructing solicitors, junior and senior counsel….AND THE POSSIBILITY OF PAYING COSTS….

  151. What this all proves is that when the average Cat commenter’s rhetoric is exposed before a mainstream audience, the reaction from all normal people is to recoil in horror from hateful extremism. If 4 Corners did a piece on Catallaxy Files, Sinc would be forced to shut the site down.

    The surprising thing is that anyone who is not from the Cat ever reads Quadrant any more.

    Hey Monty,

    When everyone else was sucking up to you the other day when you had your little meltdown about having to go to hospital, I kept silent.

    No longer. If only it had been something serious. And when it does happen I’ll be sure to have a good old laugh.

  152. .

    When everyone else was sucking up to you the other day when you had your little meltdown about having to go to hospital, I kept silent.

    Not me. Fat people create their own medical problems.

  153. .

    In fact, giving monty shit until he can run a half marathon and play Australian rules football in a suburban side is tough love.

    I’d rather give old boy shit and pressure him to lose weight than laugh about him being hospitalised.

  154. egg_

    What this all proves is that…

    …Google Guthrie has a glass jaw.

  155. egg_

    What kind of safety expert assesses the risk from moral equivalence?

    Bollards at the watercooler?

  156. dan

    It’s so fucking obvious. It just involves, not saying anything at all!.

    Is there a law that says you have to respond to every statement made by your enemies???? No. You can just say nothing, do nothing, wait till they’ve yelled themselves blue in the face, and then go back to abusing them after a week or so.

    The ABC can’t just physically take control of your jaw and open and shut your mouth to emit an apology!

    Exactly. I can’t work out what anyone here is talking about. An expensive fight with the ABC? Why? And there is no conceivable cause of action against them, forget “I-am-not-a-lawyer” there is just no law against saying mean stuff about people you hate.

  157. cynical1

    In a strongly worded letter to the editor of Quadrant, the ABC managing director, Michelle Guthrie, said ABC staff had to be reassured of their safety and safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory words.

    Memo: They have pulled a few dicks.

    They really were concerned it could incite violence against them.

    FMD: 70 yr old Christian with cream pie raided by SWAT team.

    Mass panty soiling averted in Ultimo.

  158. Nick

    What this all proves is that when the average Cat commenter’s rhetoric is exposed before a mainstream audience, the reaction from all normal people is to recoil in horror from hateful extremism.

    As a father of a daughter Monty, let’s hope you never have to lose your cool over matters affecting her welfare eh?

  159. Cpt Seahawks

    If Quadrant has no money, and will lose subscribers by backing down, what have they got to lose in court?

  160. calli

    What this all proves is that when the average Cat commenter’s rhetoric is exposed before a mainstream audience, the reaction from all normal people is to recoil in horror from hateful extremism. If 4 Corners did a piece on Catallaxy Files, Sinc would be forced to shut the site down.

    I’m sure you’ll do your best to interest them in doing so. Nothing like gagging people who speak their mind.

    What is an “average Cat commenter”? And what is a “normal” person?

    Yet here you are, free to comment on our hateful extremism without fear, and often receiving kindness. Possibly because Cat commenters are normal people.

  161. Confused Old Misfit

    What a travesty when justice comes with a price tag so high that the rich determine what is justice.

  162. calli, I would have thought that my views on whether the Cat should be shut down or not should not be in question after I had three guest posts.

    For a number of reasons, the Cat survives with a bit of security through obscurity. Sinc suffers a lot of fools posting here, e.g. the Manchester thread was full of regular Cats calling for outright ethnic cleansing. It is only because the site is so obscure that Sinc is able to give commenters such freedom. Bolt has no such liberties.

  163. Peter Bayne

    “Michelle Guthrie, said … safety experts had to be called in to assess if there had been any damage to security from the inflammatory word”.

    This a piece of nonsense. There can be no field of expertise that encompasses a special ability to perceive whether particular words could lead to violence, except perhaps where the words are directed to some ethnic or religious group. In most cases, no expertise is required. So just who were the ‘experts’ and what was their expertise? This bit statement sounds like puffery.

  164. Sinclair Davidson

    It is only because the site is so obscure that Sinc is able to give commenters such freedom.

    It’s not that obscure – people have tried to get me sacked from my job by complaining about the Cat to my employer.

  165. Infidel Tiger

    Sorry about that!

    Lefties are very literal.

  166. Robber Baron

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2389964, posted on May 24, 2017 at 9:23 pm
    It is only because the site is so obscure that Sinc is able to give commenters such freedom.

    It’s not that obscure – people have tried to get me sacked from my job by complaining about the Cat to my employer.

    Fact Check: True.

    Some RMIT staff really aren’t good sports at all are they Sinc?

  167. It’s not that obscure – people have tried to get me sacked from my job by complaining about the Cat to my employer.

    And well done to you and your bosses for resisting.

  168. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    What if that blast had detonated in an Ultimo TV studio?

    See the words: “What if”.

    It’s a hypothetical not a call to do anything by anyone. Quadrant should tell the ABC to fuck off, they have no case whatsoever nor any right to an apology.

  169. Sinclair Davidson

    Some RMIT staff really aren’t good sports at all are they Sinc?

    I’ve had lots of support from my colleagues.

  170. john constantine

    Their turnfailure debacle coalition appoints guthrie that lawfares Quadrant.

    Their turnfailure debacle coalition allows Quadrant to be defunded on their watch.

    No enemies to the right, but who the fuck is turnfailure to the left of?.

  171. .

    Sinc suffers a lot of fools posting here, e.g. the Manchester thread was full of regular Cats calling for outright ethnic cleansing.

    Yeah I know. Dumb dumb dumb.

  172. john constantine

    My hope for the next cover of Quadrant is a gutwrenching photograph of the silent majesty of Arlington war cemetary.

    ” How many young black men are buried here, the victims of roadside bombs set by islamic terrorists?.”

    Their tony jones doesn’t think these young, dead, black men were real human beings, because they didn’t take Stalin’s place for them in the abc narrative.

    Only when police shoot a criminal, does a black man interest their abc. Otherwise, people of colour only exist to their abc when they need domestic slaves to mow lawns and scrub toilets.

  173. The one thing that their ABC have successfully done in all this is deflect all attention away from their Q&A show and the awful timing for them of the terrorist attack the following day. Instead of them getting absolutely hammered from all sides, it’s now Quadrant getting it from both quarters, rightly or wrongly.

    No talk of Islam or terror.

    Sheer brilliance on the ABC’s part.

  174. Norman Church

    The question remains, what possible legal claim could be made by the ABC? None as far as anybody has been able to identify.

    I suspect the true concern related to the characterisation of the column as an incitement to violence with the threat of a drawn out and expensive investigation by police authorities under pressure to respond to ‘hate’ speech. Crap, of course, to describe the column in those terms.

  175. Leo G

    The one thing that their ABC have successfully done in all this is deflect all attention away from their Q&A show …

    I rather think the ABC has only drawn attention to QandA and its dismissal of the risk to its elite followers- from Islamist violence- by the way it has overreacted to Roger Franklin’s faux pas.
    It’s the view of some people at our ABC that Roger Franklin is more dangerous than a distributed army of manic, hate-filled, semi-random, mass murderers.

  176. jupes

    Sinc suffers a lot of fools posting here, e.g. the Manchester thread was full of regular Cats calling for outright ethnic cleansing there is bloke here who reckons there is only 336 Muslim terrorists in the whole world.

    No seriously, there is. How embarrassing.

  177. .

    You know that isn’t even the point. You just don’t want to discuss the matter.

  178. Robber Baron

    Muslim terrorism continues destroying innocent lives. But the western politicians tell us their policies are effective. They may be effective but they are not effective enough. Perhaps we need a change in policies.

    I say we finally declare war on Muslim terrorists and start shaking down a few vocal Muslims until they speak otherwise we round them all up and intern them all. Internment will encourage a few to sing. Simple. We need to show them we mean business.

  179. jupes

    You know that isn’t even the point.

    Who wrote this Dotty?

    I’ve sat down and done some figures regarding Islamic terrorist attacks against “the West”.

    If you take out “Arab” – Israeli conflict stuff from 1979 (excluding civil unrest) and include Russia and Eastern Europe in the west, and include attacks on Israel in the West and eastern Europe – or attacks on Westerners abroad – the number of terrorists who made such attacks until 2001 was 76 including planners and accomplices. I’ve included suspects who were cleared or acquitted as well.

    Until the end of 2013, it was 336 … A few hundred people out of billions.

    Until that idiot on Q and A made his ‘fridge’ statement that quote above was the dumbest thing I’ve read or heard this year. Probably this century.

  180. True Aussie

    In the meantime I can I suggest that if you are not already a subscriber to Quadrant that you become one.

    When the entire staff of Quadrant have the collective balls to call for an end to all muslim immigration then I will consider it. Until then they, like all cuckservatives, are merely wasting our time.

  181. jupes

    Muslim terrorism continues destroying innocent lives. But the western politicians tell us their policies are effective. They may be effective but they are not effective enough. Perhaps we need a change in policies.

    There is no easy solution, however the first step is blindingly obvious.

    Ban Muslim immigration.

    Then we can deal with the ones already here.

  182. .

    You say it is dumb but you can’t say why and you can’t give any other figures.

    You can’t discuss the issue rationally. It’s just “dumb”, you prefer fantasies in the millions.

  183. Mark A

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2389793, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    If the editors of Quadrant retract or even apologise, I’m cancelling my premium subscription.

    Mique please don’t — the subscriptions keep the place afloat — I think in this case discretion is the better part of valor and they live to fight another day. Mitch Fifield hasn’t disappointed – he’s proved to be the gutless, useless, talentless, witless, treacherous hack I always thought him to be –

    I keep reading this, but fight what, where?
    If they can’t defend this they might as well give up.
    I repeat I can’t see what the legal problem about this article might be?
    It was posing a hypothetical question.

  184. jupes

    You can’t discuss the issue rationally.

    That’s true. I can’t discuss anything that stupid in a rational way. No one can.

    Similarly, I can’t have a rational discussion with a truther. Their belief is so beyond the bounds of reality that it is far better just to ridicule the idiots. That’s how I look at you now Dotty.

    Consider you point one more time – Only 336 Muslim terrorists in the world today.

    Words fail …

  185. .

    Only 336 Muslim terrorists in the world today.

    Amazing you and Fisk can dig up a quote but now misquote me on what I said. Pure confection.

    You don’t even care about the issue, you just want to score points and browbeat others into your anti Islam crusade.

  186. Infidel Tiger

    Are you pro Islam, Dot?

  187. Viva

    The one thing that their ABC have successfully done in all this is deflect all attention away from their Q&A show and the awful timing for them of the terrorist attack the following day.

    Bingo!

    However the day after the Manchester horror Quadrant and media commentators, are running a mile from any hint of seeming to wish the same fate on anyone else.

    Paul Murray went right over the top calling it “a death threat”.

    Too bad it wasn’t the likes of Rod Liddle writing the piece – it’s the sort of thing that’s right up his alley. He would have just doubled down (take note Rowan Dean)

  188. Rossini

    Infidel Tiger
    #2389803, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:14 pm

    I think that Bolta still likes to have a bob each way. Pathetic IMHO
    Some one must have pissed in Deans ear for him to come out with this cop out.
    Perhaps they are both angling for the lucrative ABC posting.

  189. NewChum

    The quadrant board are not fit to collect used hand towels after a Mark Steyn speech.

    There’s a guy who understands principles worth fighting for.

    I don’t want ethnic cleansing. It appears to be inevitable anyway. It was all so avoidable. The whole point of a country is a giant safe space where your people could talk and act they way they wanted. The whole idea of a border was a the inherent efficiency of having one big wall instead of million smaller walls.

    Anything which cannot go on, will not. People will not accept slaughter of their young. They will either fold or fight back. The current politician strategy of hoping it will all just stop one day have no clue and no future as politicians. Maybe it’s true that we have no future as a people. It was all so avoidable.

  190. Empire GTHO Phase III

    For a number of reasons, the Cat survives with a bit of security through obscurity. Sinc suffers a lot of fools posting here, e.g. the Manchester thread was full of regular Cats calling for outright ethnic cleansing. It is only because the site is so obscure that Sinc is able to give commenters such freedom. Bolt has no such liberties.

    Predictable lefistry.

    One of them is a professional journalist (as opposed to an ABC stenographer) and subject to the sensitivities of paying customers (advertisers) and lucrative to sue. The other is a benevolent hobbyist more difficult to lever.

    If your commie paymasters 86d this joint you wouldn’t lose a seconds sleep.

  191. twostix

    Dot loves muslims, he wants to invite them here then lawfully hang and imprison them by the million when they follow the basics of their religion.

    Honestly, that’s his thing.

  192. I have already told Uncle George to spare this place, Empire. Now that they have shut all the loony bins, the yahoos need somewhere to hoot.

  193. twostix

    You’re the most prolific poster here you loser cuck.

  194. JC

    Monster

    I really don’t understand why you’re on this thread dissing Franklin and Quadrant. In fact I’m confused.

    Only the other day you were ecstatic about the passing of Roger Ailes. In fact you were high fiving yourself. Today, you’re taking umbrage that Franklin suggested having a choice between nailing teenyboppers or Q&A he’d go with nailing the hard left Q&A program. Like who wouldn’t?

    You hypocritical twat.

  195. twostix

    The newspaper columnist Katie Hopkins became the subject of a police review after the Manchester bombing on Monday, as questions were raised about the limits the press can go to when reporting the fallout from terrorist attacks.

    The same police who let Muslims murder and rape and pillage at will.

  196. I didn’t call for the FNC office to be bombed, JC.

  197. The newspaper columnist Katie Hopkins became the subject of a police review after the Manchester bombing on Monday, as questions were raised about the limits the press can go to when reporting the fallout from terrorist attacks.

    Yeah, coz Katie Hopkins saying “Western men, stand by your wives & daughters” is one helluva serious threat to society.

    Splodey types, not so much.

  198. twostix

    You were all for black masked nazis bashing conservatives a few weeks ago.

    Like a little school girl and giddy at the thought of it you were going on so much about it.

    Oops.

  199. JC

    Neither did Franklin, you unrepentant dog breath.

    Again, for the 20th time, all Franklin said is he’d rather see a regular, typical Q&A panel and leftwing audience get a serious nailing rather than a bunch of teenyboppers…. if the choice had to be made. This would be a choice most reasonable people would make and sleep soundly that night.

    You were effusive hearing about Roger Ailes death and now offended about what Franklin said. You deserve a serious beating, Monster.

  200. JC

    Monster

    The other thing Franklin said that I forgot to mention…. and integral to the passage.. was that if last Monday’s panel was taken out, it wouldn’t hurt humanity’s collective IQ one bit. This is scientifically true. It’s settled science.

  201. What are those triggered softcock snowflakes at the ABC worried about anyway?

    There’s more chance of them being killed by a free-falling fridge than of somebody reading Quadrant and getting the idea to go & bump off an entire Q&A panel.

  202. The other thing Franklin said that I forgot to mention…. and integral to the passage.. was that if last Monday’s panel was taken out, it wouldn’t hurt humanity’s collective IQ, honesty, empathy and collective ethics one bit. This is scientifically true. It’s settled science.

    FIFY

  203. twostix

    Kind hearted leftists responsed to Hopkins mild Tweet asking men to stand up for their free society by openly telling her they hope she’s raped, murdered, killed, imprisoned, raped and raped.

    None of them are being investigated.

    Be careful Aussie, the same violent pathology at work in the UK police, borne of the leftwing moderatti culture is worming its way in here.

  204. You were all for black masked nazis bashing conservatives a few weeks ago.

    Ah no. I was for conservative leftists bashing nazis, to conserve our modern way of life. Nice try, 26.

  205. Again, for the 20th time, all Franklin said is he’d rather see a regular, typical Q&A panel and leftwing audience get a serious nailing rather than a bunch of teenyboppers…. if the choice had to be made.

    It was a supremely stupid thing to say, and areff deserves all the opprobrium. It was not the statement of a conservative.

  206. twostix

    Ok Waleed, no.

    You were rubbing yourself with glee over antifa terrorising Trump supporters.

    Then those puffy faced gluten intolerant dregs of the middle class uni students humiliatingly got their faces smashed in by about 50 working class men in the middle of Berkley California and you never spoke about any of that again.

  207. JC

    It was a supremely stupid thing to say, and areff deserves all the opprobrium.

    Oh sure it was. Twenty innocent people killed, mostly young girls. Meanwhile a few hours before that Professor Krauss suggests it’s more likely a fridge would topple over you rather than getting nailed by an Islamic terrorist.

    It was not the statement of a conservative.

    I’d be more concerned with the statement by someone calling himself a professor, you partisan twat.

  208. twostix

    M0nty explains to everyone what conservatives say, while explaining that he fully supports antifa smashing your face in and the police arresting you if you Tweet a mean tweet.

    (Then adjusts his bow-tie and relaxes to some cuck porn)

  209. It was a supremely stupid thing to say

    On the contrary, it was a stunningly accurate thing to say.
    #istandbyareff

  210. twostix

    M0nty’s behaviour above is instructive in understanding the leftist / Muslim sympatico that we’re enduring at the moment.

    We know that Antifa were openly and unashamed targetting for bashing any conservative / Trump supporter / little old lady walking in a park. They don’t even try to hide it.

    But see the cover that M0nty provided them?

    Identical to what Muslims do for their militant arm.

    They have so much in common, the left and muslims, it’s really a wonder that they weren’t BFF long before 2001.

  211. JC

    “ABC takes all threats against staff seriously and pro-active steps have been taken to ensure the safety and welfare of all staff and users of ABC Ultimo.

    Oh yes…

    The shoes were auctioned off too.

  212. Infidel Tiger

    When the muzzies win, conservative families and men won’t have too much to worry about. We’ll adjust. We can make wine in the bathtub.

    Pasty lefties, soft handed media types, dykes, fags and inner city luvvies are going to experience a living hell.

    I’m almost looking forward to it.

  213. M0nty explains to everyone what conservatives say, while explaining that he fully supports antifa smashing your face in and the police arresting you if you Tweet a mean tweet.

    Only if your face belongs to a nazi. Are you a nazi, 26? You seem to carry a lot of water for them.

  214. Fisky

    It’s worth noting that m0nty actually wanted this blog to be shut down by Gillard’s media regulator. Nasty fascist.

  215. twostix

    lol

    Look at this honourary Muslim “they deserved it!”

  216. twostix

    Are you a Muslim m0nty?

    You seem to carry a lot of water for them.

  217. twostix

    Ginger mingers are always drawn to outcast oriented blood lust ideologies. They seek to inflict upon the normal person their internal rage at being ginger.

  218. testpattern

    ‘When the muzzies win, conservative families and men won’t have too much to worry about. We’ll adjust…Pasty lefties, soft handed media types, dykes, fags and inner city luvvies are going to experience a living hell.’

    Ur describing quite well what happened in Mosul when the caliphate took over. Islam is intrinsically right wing and has no point of contact with the true Marxist left, which is atheist and promotes, or should promote, freedom from religion ie superstition.

  219. Islam…has no point of contact with the true Marxist left, which is atheist and promotes, or should promote, freedom from religion ie superstition.

    Like when they both turned their guns on Christians and slaughtered them by the bushel as the revolutionary Left did in France, Spain, and Russia, for instance.

  220. entropy

    Ur describing quite well what happened in Mosul when the caliphate took over. Islam is intrinsically right wing and has no point of contact with the true Marxist left, which is atheist and promotes, or should promote, freedom from religion ie superstition.

    example eleventy millions of the left labelling something repulsive when in fact they’re describing something organised on left wing principles of authoritarian governance.

  221. A Lurker

    What is abundantly clear is that the Loser Left love to dish it out, but when just an iota is returned, they simply can’t take it and are triggered and turn to the next biggest bully – the State or the Law courts – to get vengeance.

    Typical behaviour of coward bullies the world over – pick on vulnerable and weaker targets, but then howl bloody murder when someone has the temerity to target them in return.

  222. A Lurker

    It was a supremely stupid thing to say, and areff deserves all the opprobrium. It was not the statement of a conservative.

    So what should be the statement of a Conservative eh Monty? Are Conservatives supposed to always play by the rules, not say bad words, not get het up, be confined by respectable behaviour – or in other words, be cucks, playing by Queensberry rules whilst our opponents fight dirty.

    Here’s a tip – there are a lot of Conservatives now waking up pissed off. The Loser Left think they have Conservatives corralled in a pen of political correctness, but it’s no longer true. Conservatives are starting to fight back and our anger is deep and slow burning. There will be a reckoning.

  223. Crossie

    Good to know that even “conservative”, or at least “libertarian”, journalists will rush to the ABC’s defence making the rest of us even more defenceless.

    It would have been glorious if even just one “public” person said “that’s what everyone is thinking”.

  224. Boambee John

    jupes at 2243

    Ban Muslim immigration

    Agree. Don’t allow the problem to get bigger.

    Then work on those already here. Use Peter Costello’s theme, “If you wish to live under Sharia law, there are many countries where that is possible. Feel free to move to one of them”.

    Perhaps offer a financial incentive, subject to renunciation of Australian citizenship on departure.

  225. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1207

    “conservative leftists”

    Good one m0nty, conservative leftists, LOL. Black uniforms, face masks, random violence directed at people peacefully expressing an opinion. Hitler had lots of such “conservative leftists” working for him.

    Ready yet to condemn the crimes of communism?

  226. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1235

    Define a “nazi” m0nty.

    In terms other than “someone m0nty disagrees with”.

  227. Eddystone

    areff’s article is still up.

    Maybe Woger is wevolting!

  228. Eddystone

    Roger’s article is still up.

  229. Stan

    It was only 21 refrigerators. I think the 22nd person was not “killed” as such.

  230. So what should be the statement of a Conservative eh Monty?

    You could try not calling for the fiery deaths of people you disagree with via terrorist violence.

  231. A Lurker

    You could try not calling for the fiery deaths of people you disagree with via terrorist violence.

    Penned as literary hyperbole by an elderly ex-journalist in an obscure (to the ordinary Australian) journal.
    Yeah, right, IS and similar are evidently paid-up subscribers of Quadrant.
    Excuse me whilst I fall about laughing….

    Monty – why on earth would IS or similar want to take out the Q&A studio when the ABC are clearly anti-Australian and anti-West. They’re all fellow travellers.

  232. Ellen of Tasmania

    Snowflakes they may be, but they are winning. Together, they have become an avalanche.

  233. Infidel Tiger

    You could try not calling for the fiery deaths of people you disagree with via terrorist violence.

    That’s a lie.

    Ban this lying xunt, Sinclair.

  234. Roger

    You could try not calling for the fiery deaths of people you disagree with via terrorist violence.

    Are you suggesting Roger F. did that, monty? That’s probably actionable. You might want to retract it.

  235. Nick

    Monty fights the good fight on the Cat, but in daily life, lives and acts as Conservatives do. Did you protest about SSM and the church’s position when you had your daughter baptised, Monty? I’ll bet butter didn’t melt in your mouth.

  236. cohenite

    m0nty

    #2390108, posted on May 25, 2017 at 12:10 am

    Again, for the 20th time, all Franklin said is he’d rather see a regular, typical Q&A panel and leftwing audience get a serious nailing rather than a bunch of teenyboppers…. if the choice had to be made.

    It was a supremely stupid thing to say, and areff deserves all the opprobrium. It was not the statement of a conservative.

    Grub.

    The article was the response of a reasonable man to yet another vile outrage by a muslim, which had been previously and will continue to be excused and apologised for and even justified by the likes of the despicable abc. The article made no threats and grounded no legal action although since, apparently the wretches at the abc or somebody has notified the AFP, we will have to see if anything inventive appears.

    The splendid article is still up.

  237. Mother Lode

    For his troubles Chris Kenny is now being accused of condoning violence against the ABC.

    In all fairness, serves him right.

    He mis-characterised what Roger said.

    He speculated – ‘What if…’ and then evaluated which was more desirable. The lives of supercilious intellectually pretentious poseurs on the ABC that say the very thing is not a threat (but then take a few words seriously), or 22 kids and their friends.

    As Krauss put it…you have to look at in terms of number – the only way to make sense of this sort of thing.

    22 over 7.

    It’s as easy as…pi.

  238. struth

    You are a dishonest sack of shit , Monty.

    Trolling very poorly.

    Nazis always were full of shit.

    Gazis are too.

  239. ilajd

    Roger’s spendid wit and wisdom now removed from the Quadrant page. Thankfully it remains here for all.

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/05/24/sick-and-unhinged-comments-about-the-abc/

    Keith Windbag should hang his head in shame.

  240. ilajd

    Nick Cater betrayed Quadrant’s readers last night on the Drum and does not deserve a seat on the board.

  241. Mc

    Just heard the pod cast of Paul Murray live from last night. He and Miranda Devine were clutching their pearls over Mr Franklin’s piece, Murray even called for him to be sacked. He couldn’t tell the difference between someone being publicly funded to sprout partisan rubbish and a commercial concern. Seriously disappointed in Mr Murray. Even if you thought the piece tasteless it in no way condones or defends violence and murder. PM get a grip and support free speech.

  242. Cynic of Ayr

    What’s missing here, and the stupid Minister is the first not to see it.

    “Life isnt fair and death less so. What if that blast had detonated in an Ultimo TV studio? Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty.”

    Nowhere does it suggest it would be a good thing! No where does it suggest that it be done!
    What would be a good thing is a bomb under their budget!
    All Roger did was ask a question. A like question we all (most of us) ask ourselves:
    “What if it was the Judge’s daughter who was raped by a Muslim he let off on a matter of religious beliefs;
    What if the so-called psychologist who advised the Sydney police, “She’ll be right mate! He’s just blowing off steam!” What if his wife was in the cafe?
    Many, many questions like this are asked everyday by normal people, not by the ratbags and luvvies in the ABC.!
    Roger just asked the question, and suggested an answer, a very truthful and correct answer – to a not impossible scenario.
    The concocted outrage that followed was a complete answer to the question, “Are the terrorists winning?”
    Yes, they are!
    I agree wholeheartedly with Roger’s statement, and I intend to re-subscribe, and I urge all Cats to subscribe as well.

  243. Adelagado

    Removed without a word of explanation. Perhaps they are crafting a response.

    I want to know why. Is it fear of a legal battle that they cannot afford, or disgust with Roger’s sentiments? The former I can understand, but if its the latter then Franklin must be feeling terribly betrayed.

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