Wednesday Forum: May 24, 2017

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  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Can you all stop talking about quadrants.

    Quadrant.
    Nye would be fun if he wasn’t so awful.

  2. .

    25 USD/bbl oil will continue to wreck Norway and her socialism which cannot last. They have a 180% private debt to GDP ratio last time I looked.

  3. Baldrick

    Be warned: $25 oil is coming, and along with it, a new world order

    Good, so need need to sell my petrol beast and buy and electric car because oil/petrol will be cheaper.

  4. Noodles Romanoff

    I would hazard a guess that Quadrant does have a more mature demographic than most media outlets. Same for this blog. The “cranky old qunt” response to Bolt’s “zimmer frame” comment would seem to support this observation. Own it and be proud.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Soldiers on the street of a democratic nation is just not right.
    Not to protect that is, and besides everyone knows that it’s a futile action for show only.

    Soldiers deployed in Australia, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bombing wasn’t right? Those of us deployed at the next CHOGM conference were there as a futile exercise, for show only?

  6. Zyconoclast

    The 1967 referendum Factsheet 150

    On 27 May 1967 a Federal referendum was held. The first question, referred to as the ‘nexus question’ was an attempt to alter the balance of numbers in the Senate and the House of Representatives. The second question was to determine whether two references in the Australian Constitution, which discriminated against Aboriginal people, should be removed. This fact sheet addresses the second question.

    The sections of the Constitution under scrutiny were:

    51. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:-
    …(xxvi) The people of any race, other than the aboriginal people in any State, for whom it is necessary to make special laws.

    127. In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives should not be counted.

    The removal of the words ‘… other than the aboriginal people in any State…’ in section 51(xxvi) and the whole of section 127 were considered by many to be representative of the prevailing movement for political change within Indigenous affairs. As a result of the political climate, this referendum saw the highest YES vote ever recorded in a Federal referendum, with 90.77 per cent voting for change.

    It is interesting to note that because the majority of parliamentarians supported the proposed amendment, a NO case was never formulated for presentation as part of the referendum campaign. Copies of the YES case can be located on files identified below.

    .

    The Constitution was changed, giving formal effect to the referendum result, by the Constitution Alteration (Aboriginals) 1967 (Act No 55 of 1967), which received assent on 10 August 1967.

    The right to vote
    The 1967 referendum did not give Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples the right to vote. This right had been legislated for Commonwealth elections in 1962, with the last State to provide Indigenous enfranchisement being Queensland in 1965.

    Kind of reminds me of the government not wanting to fund the no case for the Aboriginal recognition referendum while handsomely funding the yes case.
    Some things never change.

  7. Be warned: $25 oil is coming, and along with it, a new world order

    Reminds me of all the “paperless society” articles of the early nineties.
    Look how well that turned out.

  8. max

    On radio. This afternoon he said that Quadrant readers were unlikely to grab their zimmer walkers and run off to bomb the ABC.

    Yes, it was a joke.

    FM

    Lighten up.

  9. Mark A

    #2391376, posted on May 25, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    Soldiers deployed in Australia, in the aftermath of the Hilton Hotel bombing wasn’t right? Those of us deployed at the next CHOGM conference were there as a futile exercise, for show only?

    Only remember the events vaguely. I think Fraser was Pm at the time.

    I served zulu, I know a soldiers’ worth, and it’s not on the streets of a peaceful democratic nation.

    Just as a matter of interest, what could you as a serviceman with bugger all experience in policing or counter-espionage or sabotage do better than people trained in those areas could do?

    In other words, you were there to ensure the people that all is well and they can go on with their lives.
    In short for show.

  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Reminds me of all the “paperless society” articles of the early nineties.
    Look how well that turned out.

    Then they inflicted the “open plan office” what a succees that was…

  11. Zyconoclast

    Australian 1967 Referendum

    The 1967 referendum made history: Australians voted overwhelmingly to amend the constitution to include Aboriginal people in the census and allow the Commonwealth to create laws for them.

    History

    There are common misconceptions about what the 1967 Referendum actually changed.

    What the referendum was about

    The 1967 Referendum proposed to include Aboriginal people in the census.

    The 1967 Referendum proposed to allow the Commonwealth government to make laws for Aboriginal people.

    What the 1967 Referendum was not about

    did not give Aboriginal people the right to vote. This right was already introduced in 1962.
    did not grant them citizenship. By the time of the referendum, most of the specific federal and state laws discriminating against Aboriginal people had been repealed [21].
    was not about equal rights for Aboriginal people. The Constitutional change would not impact at all on laws governing Aboriginal people. However, campaigners hoped that a ‘yes’ vote would require the Commonwealth government to enact reforms which would eventually achieve better rights for Aboriginal people [21].
    Clever campaigners nonetheless understood to introduce these aspects into their campaigns and use them to favour a ‘yes’ vote.

    Constitution of the Commonwealth: sections 51, 127

    Before Australia became a nation it consisted of separate, sovereign colonies (today’s states and territories). For these colonies to form the Commonwealth a Constitution was drafted and each colony had to pass legislation agreeing to become part of the Commonwealth. Then they needed to hold referendums where all electors could have a direct vote on the issue. A ‘Yes’ majority was achieved at each referendum, which took place between 1898 (South Australia) and 1900 (Western Australia) [1], paving the way for the passing of the Constitution.

    Influenced by colonial views of the 18th century the founding fathers of the Constitution incorporated sections which later ignited discussions which led to the 1967 Referendum. These were sections 51 and 127.

    Section 51

    Section 51 of the Constitution covers legislative powers of the parliament. It details for which areas the parliament can make laws, such as trade, taxes, communication, financial and so on, but also people, for example for marriage. As far as people are concerned the Constitution reads:

    “51. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:- […]”

    The people of any race, other than the aboriginal race in any State, for whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws.—Constitution, section 51, clause 26, pre-1967

    Section 51 meant that the federal government could make laws for anyone in Australia – except its Aboriginal population. Originally this clause was worded that way to enable parliament to make laws discriminating against racial groups like the Kanakas in Queensland [22]. The words ‘other than the aboriginal race in any State’ were intended to exempt Aboriginal people from discrimination.

    A historic scan of the original section 51 of the Constitution. Section 51 of the Constitution which excluded Aboriginal people from any federal laws [1].
    The 1965 Prime Minister Robert Menzies argued passionately against changing this section and held that if the phrase was removed the parliament could set up “a separate body of industrial, social, criminal and other laws relating exclusively to Aborigines”. The inclusion of the words were thought to be “a fundamental safeguard against discriminatory Commonwealth legislation directed against [Aboriginal people]” [6].

    But as it stood the Commonwealth also had no power to make laws for the benefit of Aboriginal people.

    An important point of referendum supporters was that if the federal government, and not the state governments, make laws for Aboriginal people the laws which varied greatly from state to state [27] would become uniform, and they hoped for the benefit of Aboriginal people.

  12. Infidel Tiger

    Yes, it was a joke.

    FM

    Lighten up.

    Nope. Franklin didn’t get a pass and nor does Bolt.

    Fight them with their own rules.

  13. C.L.

    Peter FitzSimons – Fathers Day book writer and the man who apologised to Osama bin Laden – attacks a woman in his latest column for not agreeing with a man:

    Margaret Court’s anti-gay rights stance deserves a boycott of its own.

    The Margaret Court thing? Her comments that she refuses to fly Qantas anymore in protest at Qantas CEO’s advocacy of same-sex marriage? Simply sad. She embarrasses herself. Her remarks are consistent with other homophobic comments she has made over the years – “To legitimize what God calls abominable sexual practices that include sodomy, reveals our ignorance as to the ills that come when society is forced to accept law that violates their very own God-given nature,” – and no great surprise.

    “I am disappointed that Qantas has become an active promoter for same sex marriage,” Ms Court said in a letter to the editor published in The West Australian on Thursday. “I believe in marriage as a union between a man and a woman as stated in the Bible. Your statement leaves me no option but to use other airlines where possible for my extensive travelling.”

    FitzSimons calls upon people to ridicule Court for her views – which is an incitement, potentially, to actual violence. Given the terrorist attack on the ACL by a disgruntled homosexual (we all know that, right?), police should be informed, as also the Human Rights Commission.

    Meanwhile, the stadium named in Court’s honour has issued a statement in support of gay “marriage.” That’s right: stadiums are now issuing statements:

    Melbourne & Olympic Parks does not support Margaret Court’s comments and we remain an organisation committed to embracing equality, diversity and inclusion; from our fans to our colleagues who deliver the events that people love to attend.

  14. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I served zulu, I know a soldiers’ worth, and it’s not on the streets of a peaceful democratic nation.

    I served my time, as a lance jack of infantry, LAC of the Royal Australian Air Force, rifleman. machine gunner, and mortar crewman, and a soldiers worth is to do as you are told, and keep your mouth shut.

  15. Libby Zee

    poetry

    Speaking of. Did anyone else hear the rubbish that Mancunian poet laureate was going on with this morning?

    Much was being made too of a 95 year old J*wish lady and her Muslim friend (both from Leeds iirc) being paraded around the square in Manchester.

  16. C.L.

    It’s heartening to read so many encouragements to fortitude directed by Catallaxy commenters at terrorist target and tried-in-court Andrew Bolt (living in police-advised hiding), and “stolen generations” piñata Keith Windschuttle.

  17. Zyconoclast

    Melbourne & Olympic Parks does not support Margaret Court’s comments and we remain an organisation committed to embracing equality, diversity and inclusion; from our fans to our colleagues who deliver the events that people love to attend.

    I’m crap at playing tennis.
    Will they embrace my crapiness by giving me an equally diverse chance and include me in the 2018 Australian Open?

  18. Infidel Tiger

    Professional faggot Joel Creasy has posted on Facebook that he was hacked off by another man at Margaret Court Arena.

    This is our new future.

  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Good book by one Graham Wilson – de bunking the myths of the Australian Imperial Force, in Wobbly Wobbly One – it seems that the cherished myth that the artillery cut out, at the Tenth Light Horse attack at the Nek, seven minutes early, at Gallipoli was a myth after all –

  20. Mark A

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2391390, posted on May 25, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    Getting late, I bid you good night.

  21. JC

    The total market value of bitcoins , according to a trader blog, is now US$90 Billion.

  22. C.L.

    The UK Daily Mail – which, notwithstanding Manchester, hasn’t missed a celebrity woman bending over or a side-boob – runs photograph and detailed tactical descriptions of the kit being carried by a commando deployed to the British war-zone.

    One or two commenters are not impressed.

    Just why?

  23. From C.L.’s link to the obtuse FitzSimons writing about the great Margaret Court:

    And yes, yes, yes of course it is Ms Court’s “right” to express those views. But it is equally our right to blow loud raspberries in her general direction.

    Note that Mrs Court only has a “right” but he has a normal right with no sarcastic inverted commas.

  24. C.L.

    There was a dude on The Project tonight – a nerd of some sort – who was discussing Bitcoins and how he lost $4 million worth. They were on an old hard drive he trashed and were worth about 4 grand at the time.

  25. max

    It’s not that hard. Quadrant take note:

    Immigration minister Peter Dutton says the ABC’s Q&A show is a waste of taxpayers’ money.

    He took issue with the show, its direction and its effect on his blood pressure.

    I think there is a fundamental problem with the ABC, particularly around Q&A, the composition of the audience, the selection of these people on the panel, the direction given it by Tony Jones, so you’re right, you’ve raised my blood pressure and I don’t watch it and honestly it is a waste of taxpayers’ money.

    Asked by Ray Hadley about “punting” Yassmin Abdel-Magied, Dutton says:

    Good. That’s a start. One down and many to go.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Getting late, I bid you good night.

    I’m pleasantly awash in good Scotch, Good night to you and yours,

  27. Sinclair Davidson

    Yep. Glenfiddich special reserve.

  28. Melbourne & Olympic Parks does not support Margaret Court’s comments and we remain an organisation committed to embracing equality, diversity and inclusion; from our fans to our colleagues who deliver the events that people love to attend.

    I will believe that when you host a Grand Slam male v female event.

  29. Zyconoclast

    Why is the Dan the imam of Victoriastan apologising to dead Chinese gold miners?

  30. Baldrick

    max
    #2391381, posted on May 25, 2017 at 11:32 pm
    On radio. This afternoon he said that Quadrant readers were unlikely to grab their zimmer walkers and run off to bomb the ABC.
    Yes, it was a joke.
    FM
    Lighten up.

    So we should afford the same opportunity to Bolt, that he’s unwilling to give the Franklin?
    Not likely.

  31. JC

    There was a dude on The Project tonight – a nerd of some sort – who was discussing Bitcoins and how he lost $4 million worth. They were on an old hard drive he trashed and were worth about 4 grand at the time.

    I used to think of Bitcoin as gamers currency. With the loss of tax havens around the world maybe bitcoin takes an interesting turn.

  32. JC

    Here’s the thing with bitcoins. The state can go to your safe, rummage through your house, take money from the your bank account, sell your property. But how does it do it with bitcoin when the account is encrypted? I don’t know much about it, but from reading about it, it sounds pretty safe from the prying hands of the state.

  33. C.L.

    I guess the state gets you when you buy something tangible. That’s all they’ve got.

  34. In a week where a whole Libyan family decides to declare war on eight yearold girls with nail bombs the thing which outrages people is a 70 year old Christian who dares have an opinion.

    Not only does she dare to have an opinion, she dares to speak the truth.

  35. JC

    Fuck they’re scum.

    MSM of course never reported it.

    During Donald Trump’s whirlwind 27 hour stop in Israel this week, he took the time to visit a young cancer patient whose dream it was to meet the President.

    14 year old Emilee Imbar has been battling cancer for the past seven years at the Rachashei Lev center for pediatric cancer. Director Shimi Geshayed reached out through long time supporter Benjamin Netanyahu in order to arrange the visit – a dream of Emilee’s, who said she would be “glad to sit with you for a business metting [sic].”

  36. Zyconoclast

    From last night:
    Why is the Dan the imam of Victoriastan apologising to dead Chinese gold miners?

  37. max

    Because they were eaten by Aborigines as they walked to the goldfields from Robe.

  38. C.L.

    Utterly hilarious.
    Via Blair:

    Manchester Muslims spread a message of peace following Monday night’s suicide bombing aimed at women and girls.

    Apparently “love” has a different meaning among this crowd, at least for one apparition who materialises a few second in:

    She speaks at the 6:20 mark: “Yes, Islamophobia will probably rise now … it’s all about ignorance.” It’s like an Elephant Man outtake with a Mancunian accent.

    The reporter pretends this bizarre scene is normal.

  39. Infidel Tiger

    Islam is truly the last refuge of the hideous bush pig.

    That is freaking hilarious.

  40. But it is equally our right to blow loud raspberries in her general direction.

    Amusing to see the abuse being given to Margaret Court, the most prized female tennis player in history.

    Can you just imagine the shit show that would eventuate if the plebiscite were to take place? We would see the sheer ugliness of politicized homosexuality and modern liberalism in all its unalloyed hideousness.

    You know, I think part of the problem here, illustrated by the psychological need to ‘blow loud raspberries’, is the contempt that they have for the generation that came before them. There is no magnanimity, no sentiment of respectful disagreement. No, the immediate reaction is to organize a ritual of humiliation, on twitter, in the opinion pages of our dailies, wherever. There is no attempt to engage her, or those of a similar mind, in an argument; no, she must be branded as a ‘homophobe’ and punished, forthwith forced to wear a Scarlet H and stand before the public. The Puritans of Massachusetts do hold a candle to their heirs, modern liberals.

  41. They don’t give a rat’s about right and wrong, they weren’t at all threatened by Franklin’s article, they seized upon it with the sole motivation of skewering an ideological opponent.

    The Billabong still needs draining, guys,
    We’ve moved on from battling the alligators to catching chickens to feed to them.
    Now we’re collecting the eggs because a girls gotta eat.
    Is the next step building chicken coops?
    This was always about the Islamic atrocity in Manchester and the ABC now has most of youfighting each other.
    They constantly do this trick, and the right constantly fall for it.

  42. Top Ender

    What a household they must have been:

    The estranged wife of former Guantanamo Bay inmate David Hicks has earned a PhD from a NSW university for delivering a thesis in which she claims more people are killed by bee stings than terrorists and thus the fight on terrorism is unjustified.

    Aloysia Brooks was granted the doctorate by the University of Wollongong on the back of the bee sting theory, which was published amid work claiming the federal government was “pro-torture”, The Daily Telegraph reports.

    “One could hardly imagine a war on bees occurring any time soon, and therefore it can be ­concluded that the counter-­terrorism laws have been largely politically driven,’’ Dr Brooks writes.

    In the 360-page thesis, Ms Brooks attacks News Corp ­Australia, the ABC and the St James Ethics Centre for “backing torture”, The Daily Telegraph writes.

    Linkie

  43. cohenite

    Re: that bastard with a red scarf around his diseased head: his comments about Court are truly horrible but in the context of the Quadrant affair typical of the nature of modern debate: lefties can say what they want; no one else can.

  44. min

    Well well well ,promo on you know where, for Landline was for a couple growing waterlilies at Margaret River . This year, unlike the past 16 ,the winter was the coldest ever and only a mild summer so not so many beautiful blooms this year.
    I wonder if they even know what they are telling us when they continually tell us hottest year ever nonsense.

  45. The Hunted Mind

    The Billabong still needs draining, guys,
    We’ve moved on from battling the alligators to catching chickens to feed to them.
    Now we’re collecting the eggs because a girls gotta eat.
    Is the next step building chicken coops?
    This was always about the Islamic atrocity in Manchester and the ABC now has most of youfighting each other.
    They constantly do this trick, and the right constantly fall for it.

    Stop acting like you’re oh so superior and above this petty infighting Winston. A huge ugly truth has just been revealed about the right. Even when the left’s ideology results in innocent little girls being butchered there’s still a huge number of us who will cower like dogs when yelled at by their left masters. We can’t fight the left until this issue is resolved so contribute something useful and stop whining about the process to make it happen.

  46. Geriatric Mayfly

    Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. How do you write that in Arabic?

    she claims more people are killed by bee stings than terrorists and thus the fight on terrorism is unjustified.s

  47. The Hunted Mind

    The right needs its generals to understand that if they fail us like Windschuttle has then they need to resign. I don’t care what he’s done in the past. This was an egregious act of cowardice. Quadrant subscriptions must be cancelled with an explanatory email sent outlining why.

  48. The Hunted Mind

    People wonder why the right’s supporters are so apathetic and why the left are so motivated. Well why do you think? Every public fight is won by the left. It grinds you down till you’re embarrassed to be part of the right.

    Look at what has happened in the US though as soon as a right leader stands up and starts unapologetically talking about winning and then acts on it. Overflowing support and public engagement. FFS, the right kicked the left off university campuses there recently. This is huge. Our leaders here need to stand up to left bullies. If they can’t then they can fk off. Make way for someone who will.

  49. Hunted Mind;

    Stop acting like you’re oh so superior and above this petty infighting Winston.

    Obviously you’ve read into my post something that wasn’t there.

    This was always about the Islamic atrocity in Manchester and the ABC now has most of you (sic) fighting each other.
    They constantly do this trick, and the right constantly fall for it.

    Then explain to me why we are tearing into each other while the ABC diverts attention away from the fundamental issue of Islamic terrorism.

    We can’t fight the left until this issue is resolved.

    This issue will never be resolved because it is part of the spectrum of human behavior. We cannot refuse battle because all our troops aren’t in lockstep.
    The Left continue to dangle bits of shiny string in front of us, and we continue to get diverted from the main task.

  50. johanna

    Well said, Winston.

    The calls to obliterate Quadrant, standard bearer against leftist orthodoxy for decades, because of one incident is reminiscent of the purges beloved of the Left. This kind of self-righteous infighting is an absolute gift to the enemy.

    It’s classic “feel good” internal politics, and adults should know better.

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