Wednesday Forum: May 24, 2017

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  1. incoherent rambler

    the ATO is grateful for a UK terrorist getting them out of the news.

  2. TheSemiMentalBloke

    WooHoo number two

  3. TheSemiMentalBloke

    It’s a photo for number two.

  4. Andrew M

    Would you believe, first decile?

  5. Chris

    Just photographed moon and star against the faintest beginning of sunrise.
    The moon a shallow cup, its shadowed disk behind;
    you in Perth still in darkness, the light of day over East.

  6. Dr Fred Lenin

    Early to rise gets you higher up the ladder ,the quick and the dead innit?

  7. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile — hoping it will eat him last.

    — Winston Churchill

  8. OldOzzie

    Wouldn’t it be great if we had a Muslim Female like this representing Australiarather than the Multi Coloured Turban Clown Yassmin Abdel-Magied supported by The Skeleton Julie Bishop and “Our ABC”

    Muslim Reform Leader Asra Nomani: Donald Trump’s Overseas Trip Has Been ‘Genius’ So Far

    Asra Nomani, co-founder of the Muslim Reform Movement and author of Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam, joined SiriusXM host Alex Marlow on Tuesday morning. Her original goal was to discuss President Trump’s address to Muslim leaders in Riyadh, but she began by talking about the previous night’s horrific terrorist attack at the Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, England.

    “It’s a grim morning,” said Nomani. “I know so many young folks who love Ariana Grande. It could be any concert, anywhere. It’s just another tragedy.”

    “I also feel the connection to the reality of the patterns of Islamic extremism and terrorism,” she continued. “We know that the U.K. has a history of radicalization.”

    Referring to a news clip in which Prime Minister Theresa May said it was not known if the Manchester attacker acted alone or was part of a network, Nomani said, “At the end of the day, if it is Islamic extremism, we know that it’s part of a wider network of ideology.”

    “That brings us to the speech in Saudi Arabia, and the connection between all of this,” she said. “It’s tragedy, more blood spilled on the streets of our world. I’ve always been saying we have to wake up to the realities of the ideological threat that we face.”

    After speaking with a caller who doubted Islam is compatible with Western values, Marlow asked Nomani for her response.

    “I understand the sentiment,” she said. “I emerge from moments like this also very angry and very grim about the prospects of the capacity for our faith to integrate well with the West.”

    “What I say is I’m a Muslim who was born in India to a mother who had to wear the face veil, so you know that we came from a very conservative interpretation of Islam,” she recalled.

    “I came to America. I grew up on Nancy Drew as my best friend. I was a 4-H-er, which many people don’t even know still exists. I was a Girl Scout. My mom didn’t want to sign the permission slip to let me go square dance because girls were not supposed to dance with boys. I forced her to do so and had my first dance with a young boy who came from a Jewish family in Morgantown, West Virginia,” she said.

    “What is Islam? There is no monolithic interpretation of the faith, just like there is no one interpretation of Christianity or Judaism,” Nomani contended. “And so we sit, many of us in our Muslim community, as reformers challenging the hardcore conservative orthodox ideology that I do believe is the sort of impetus for the ire of folks like your caller, who don’t think there is a possibility for compatibility.”

    “What we argue is for values that are in sync with Western values. We use Islamic theology as our grounding. We are engaged in a struggle for the soul of Islam – in a struggle just like Catholics were in the Inquisition, trying to face a church that was burning and killing their own Catholics who thought differently. I just wish and hope that people would allow for the expanse that there is, that includes us as Muslims challenging that orthodoxy that also angers us,” she said.

    Nomani shared Marlow’s concern that the more hardline, and even radical, interpretations of Islam seem to be proliferating more quickly than the reformist approach she advocates. She said her mission was made more difficult by the left’s contention that “you can’t have this conversation and that you can’t talk about the extremism problem; otherwise, you’re an Islamophobe or a racist or a bigot.”

    “I literally said to my friend, ‘We need you. You have to have our backs. We can’t have you abandon us because we are facing so much,’” she recalled saying to a friend with whom she was arguing.

    “A while ago, just over a year ago, I started a petition to have a boycott of the government of Saudi Arabia. I knew, as a Muslim, that that was not going to happen. I voted for Donald Trump because I believed that he was going to be able to figure out some way that we could challenge the extremism. I knew that with bases in Qatar and Saudi Arabia that we’re going to have to cut some kind of a deal. We’re going to have to incentivize these guys in a way that was not going to be aligned with my ideas of a boycott against these exporters of extremism,” she acknowledged.

    “This week, in a scenario that I could never have imagined, Donald Trump went there to Saudi Arabia, did the sword dance, got the golden necklace – all moments that turned my stomach as a Muslim, as a Muslim reformer especially,” Nomani said. “But then the next day, through the genius that he has figured out, he was able to have this audience in which he dared to call out Islamic extremism.”

    “Folks have tried to do this tap dance that he was tired and didn’t mean to say ‘Islamic.’ Well, he said Islamic. He said Islamist. He called it out, and he said what needs to be said, which is it needs to be destroyed. It needs to be rooted out of our communities, out of our mosques,” she declared.

    “When I went to Rome some years ago, I did what I called the ‘heretic score.’ I went to all the places where people in the Catholic Church were burned and killed and hung and persecuted. But Catholics persevered, and now there is a very different church than there existed during the Inquisition,” she observed. “I don’t want to wait hundreds of years, trust me. I just want to have some hope that we can have transformation. Stand with us, please.”

    In Nomani’s estimation, President Trump’s trip to the Middle East has been “genius.”

    “In the seventh century, Prophet Mohammed flew on this mythical creature, the story goes – a winged horse, Buraq. This horse took him from Mecca to Jerusalem, to that place that’s the Dome of the Rock now. That’s what my name means. ‘Asra’ is that journey. I could never have imagined that a President of the United States would get flying rights to go from Saudi Arabia to Israel,” she said.

    “That happened, and he even uttered the words ‘Israel’ and ‘Netanyahu’ in Saudi Arabia without somebody throwing off their shoe and flying it across the chandelier room to smack him in the face. It’s unbelievable,” she observed, humorously citing the Arab custom of throwing shoes to express severe disapproval.

    “I actually think that if you talk business-to-business with these power brokers, who ultimately care about their bottom lines – including in the Palestinian territory, there could actually be deals cut that forge a two-state solution, that forge an acceptance of the state of Israel,” Nomani advised.

    “My dream as a Muslim, as a human being, as a citizen of this world, is that before my 14-year-old grows into adulthood, there will be a retreat by the government of Saudi Arabia from this poisonous ideology that has corrupted minds from Manchester, England, to Orlando, Florida, back to my home in the state of Virginia right now. It has to happen,” she said.

    “I’m literally driving right now my son to school because he missed the bus, and we are just miles away from the mosque where the 9/11 hijackers preached, where they prayed, where Anwar al-Awlaki preached. This is a reality around each one of us and all of our communities,” she warned.

    “We have to stand strong with, I believe, compassion and kindness against the reality of this threat. That’s what I saw on this tour. It turned my stomach at points, absolutely. Saudi Arabia is the problem. But it also, unfortunately, has to be the solution. We have to negotiate in a way that they will come to the table and accept responsibility for the scourge that they’ve put out in the world,” Nomani urged.

  9. Tintarella Di Luna

    Good morning after the storm the sun is welcome and warmly shining

  10. stackja

    Chris
    #2388890, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:12 am

    Just before 5am AEST thunderstorm awoke how many in Sydney?

  11. pete m

    chris – can you put the photo online somewhere and post a link (please)?

    Anger still boiling here over terrorists.

    I agree must be fought – previous point about scale of them was not defeatist – just a bigger challenge

  12. Andrew

    Just before 5am AEST thunderstorm awoke how many in Sydney?

    I heard a bit of wind whistling outside. Did we have an EWE again? Why weren’t we warned?

    So what was it this time? A month of rain falling in an hour? Flooding due of course to climate change ™, not to councils being too busy promoting renewable energy and refugee advocacy to maintain the drains*? Extreme heat? Cold? Unseasonal snow? Unseasonal lack of snow?

    *My council actually sweeps the rubbish into the gutter. Then the street sweeper get some of it, and the rest goes into the drains.

  13. stackja

    Empire Day Bonfires
    Photographs supplied by Graeme Saunders
    A plaque commemorates the Empire Day bonfires.
    Originally celebrated on 24 May (Queen Victoria`s birthday), popular observance declined in the postwar period. Renamed (British) Commonwealth Day in the 1950s, and moved in 1966 to 11 June it was more commonly known as Cracker Night and celebrated by bonfires and the lighting of fireworks until stricter government regulation reduced their availability.

  14. Baldrick

    18th Battalion A.I.F

    Maxwell, Joseph (1896–1967)
    Maxwell was awarded the Victoria Cross after an attack on the Beaurevoir-Fonsomme line near Estrées on 3 October, 1918. After his company commander was wounded he took charge. Reaching the strong enemy wire under intense fire, he pushed forward alone through a narrow passageway in the wire and captured the most dangerous machine-gun, disposing of the crew. His company was thus able to penetrate the wire and take the objective. Shortly afterwards, again single-handed, he silenced a machine-gun holding up a flank company. Later, with two men and an English-speaking prisoner, he encouraged about twenty Germans in a nearby post to surrender, and in doing so was briefly captured himself. Awaiting his opportunity, he drew a pistol concealed in his respirator haversack, killed two of the enemy and escaped with his men under heavy rifle-fire. He then organized a party and captured the post.
    In just over twelve months Maxwell was awarded the D.C.M., the M.C. and Bar and the V.C., and he was only 22 when the war ended.

  15. C.L.

    Me, last night:

    Has the media found a Muslim or merely brown “hero” yet?

    YES!!

    Yay!
    (Tip: scroll for extra LOLz).

  16. Andrew M

    Social media boffins say “you’re never wrong for long “.
    How do they reconcile this with “the Internet never forgets “?

  17. john constantine

    Their msm selection of worthwhile media clicks has their mamamia offering a smirking photo of waleed the denouncer, with the headline:

    “That’s how you stick it up ’em.”

    They probably could have picked a better morning to use their gold logie winning waleed to bash tories.

  18. stackja

    dover_beach
    #2388900, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:21 am
    Peter Augustine Lawler has died. RIP.

    Requiescat in pace.

  19. stackja

    C.L.
    #2388916, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:29 am
    A second brown hero!

    At ABC Online.

    I’m ‘browned off’.

  20. srr

    Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out”
    Rebel Media

    May 23, 2017
    Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media reports from Manchester after the May 22 terrorist attack. He explains the shocking links between UK politicians and Islamic terrorists, and the local mosque’s connection with ISIS. MORE:

  21. Senile Old Guy

    British authorities have warned a new terror attack may be “imminent“, after identifying the suspected suicide bomber who killed 22 people, including children, in an attack on a crowded pop concert in Manchester. The man suspected of carrying out Britain’s deadliest bombing in nearly 12 years was named as Salman Abedi, aged 22, a student at the University of Salford, near Manchester city centre. This morning British Prime Minister Theresa May said there was a possibility Abedi was part of a wider network and said the country’s terror alert level was being upgraded to “critical”.

    What happened to the ‘lone wolf’ attack argument? A ‘wider network’ suggests that there is an actual terrorist organisation, or movement, operating in the UK.

    (Thanks, calli.)

  22. Rabz

    Life isn’t fair and death less so. What if that blast had detonated in an Ultimo TV studio? Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty.

    If areff apologises for that statement of the bleeding obvious I will be extremely annoyed.

  23. Bruce of Newcastle

    That didn’t take long.

    Minister told Snowy 2.0 price higher

    Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg knew the expansion of the Snowy Hydro scheme could cost nearly double the $2 billion price Australians were told by the prime minister.

    A massive expansion of the iconic hydropower scheme will also require a major upgrade to the poles and wires needed to transmit the electricity it creates.

    Snowy Hydro is working with NSW electricity grid operator Transgrid to determine how much that would cost.

    So we’re up to $4 billion with more on the way for poles and wires.
    All for a project which produces no electricity – it just stores electricity produced elsewhere.

    For that $4 plus billion we could build several high efficiency coal plants. And if you built one on the site of Munmorah, which is currently being blown up, you’d potentially save on poles and wires and other infrastructure.

  24. srr

    Nick Donnelly‏ @ProtectthePope 2h2 hours ago

    [email protected] quotes St Augustine* in video #ManchesterBombing
    Gives me more hope than @Pontifex @CardinalNichols

    *
    Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage.
    Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they don’t remain as they are.

    Manchester Attack: What They’re NOT Telling You
    Paul Joseph Watson

    May 23, 2017
    Which is more important – not hurting Muslims’ feelings, or our children being blown up?

  25. C.L.

    Mamamia bans Manchester Massacre perpetrator’s name and details …
    Top quality journalism:
    We know who the Manchester suicide bomber is. Mamamia will not be naming him.

    In the wake of 22 people losing their lives, and while 59 others recover in hospital from serious injuries, Mamamia has made the decision to not publish the man’s name who was so callously responsible.

    This story is not his.

    We don’t want to know the name of the man who stood in the middle of a crowd full of kids and exploded a bomb.

    We do not care about his motivation. We don’t care about his cause. There is nothing worth knowing about why a person would do that.

    If he was a white Christian, they would publish his name.
    Their response to the massacre is to protect Islam. That’s their number 1 priority.

  26. Top Ender

    Lots of good pix of Roger Moore in this article:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/roger-moore-dead-aged-89-10482929

    He sure looked like he was having fun.

  27. john constantine

    Their mamamia have it covered, quoting their perfect man.

    “For Waleed Aly, we need to keep going about our usual lives, and not let fear win.

    “This is plumbing new depths of depravity,” Waleed said. “And you can’t avoid having that kind of reaction… but living your life, that’s how you stick it up them.”

    But what if you cannot live your life any more, because your culture and way of life have been declared to be reactionary to the forces of Revolution?. What if you do not want to drop your head and muddle along with your life, while Stalinists organise for your kind to be Purged?.

    What if you can’t live your life because totalitarianism has killed your kids, or turned your kids into radical left wing militia members that only live to denounce you for waleeds pleasure?.

  28. Senile Old Guy

    In the UK, Give Blood NHS tweets:

    We are responding to last night’s tragic incident in Manchester.

    It’s mass murder by a f*cking Islamic terrorist, not a ‘tragic incident’.

    I despise these people, airbrushing the truth from a terrorist attack which has killed at least 22 young girls at a pop concert, and injured another 60. Get it? A demented Muslim, likely with assistance of others (one already arrested), deliberately planned to murder a large number of young girls.

  29. duncanm

    Just before 5am AEST thunderstorm awoke how many in Sydney?

    I was awake when a cracker came across the valley from a very long distance away. It rumbled for so long I wasn’t sure it was thunder until 20min later when the storm came overhead.

  30. john constantine

    Their revolution must topple the racist, misogynist, deplorable and obsolete dominos.

    Their left simply hate Frontiersman free living culture so much, that their seething rage is willing to accept bombing little kids as a small price to pay for the eternal genocide of all those that disrespect Stalin.

  31. Rabz

    We do not care about his motivation. We don’t care about his cause.

    Just as he wouldn’t care about snuffing out your pointless lives in an instant.

    I am really starting to get very fed up with having to share this planet with so many irredeemable fuckwits.

    It simply won’t do.

  32. “For Waleed Aly, we need to keep going about our usual lives, and not let fear win.

    Code for “do not resist. If you lose a child to a terrorist, suck it up. Submission is holy and good”.

  33. Rabz

    A demented Muslim, likely with assistance of others (one already arrested), deliberately planned to murder a large number of young girls.

    Business as usual for “the religion of peace”.

  34. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson Retweeted
    Dave Cullen‏ @DaveCullenCF 2h

    Heartbreaking & enraging to see Tommy Robinson barely able to contain his tears. When will British people wake up?

    https://twitter.com/DaveCullenCF/status/867120161509310465

  35. lotocoti

    Has the media found a Muslim or merely brown “hero” yet?

    Given past history, that Cosmo twit gave a shout out to the least safe place for a tween girl in the Greater Manchester Area.

  36. stackja

    C.L.
    #2388929, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:40 am
    Mamamia bans Manchester Massacre perpetrator’s name and details …

    Typical.

  37. We do not care about his motivation. We don’t care about his cause. There is nothing worth knowing about why a person would do that.

    You think that? Do you? Do you?

    This is the clearest case of willingly putting one’s head in the sand that I’ve ever seen.

  38. srr

    #MANCHESTERBOMBING RESPONSE: Unity?! How About Honesty…
    StevenCrowder

    May 23, 2017
    An early morning response to the heinous, cowardly actions of terrorist losers across the world. Unity? How about honesty? How about an alliance against the worldview that seeks to destroy the western world?

  39. Baldrick

    Mamamia bans Manchester Massacre perpetrator’s name and details …

    Would they have banned his name if it was Simon Aberdeen and not Salman Abedi?

  40. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker.

    — Ronald Reagan

  41. Notafan

    Living your lives?

    People do that regardless of what circumstances they find themselves in, even in war.

    Waleed is calling fir submission to the inevitability of islam.

    We need to say no, and respond.

    That is when anger is a virtue, not when you nurse it for decades after the event.

    When the wars are over, then we forgive and forget.

    Like we did with our enemies in world war one and two, despite the costs to our families.

    Right now we have too many people denying we are in a war, still waiting for that tipping point, what will it take?

    John Constantine that wymmins comment about refugees getting away from the consequences of their own ideology was a hoot.

  42. Baldrick

    TheirABC talking to Buzzfeed about fake news, without one hint of self-awareness:

    News Breakfast ✔ @BreakfastNews
    We were joined earlier by @MarkDiStef who spoke of the challenges of being in journalist in the age of fake news.

    If a bomb were to explode at the ABC, the collective IQ of Australia would rise 20 points.

  43. Chris

    If he was a white Christian, they would publish his name.

    If they did he would be every white man, and every white man a violent abuser as well as bomber.

    Despite these dicks, or whatever the approriate unmoored body part best describes mamamia, we need information warfare to coopt the media to stop rewarding and teaching this shit.

  44. Fisky

    BTW, it has emerged that Salman Abedi’s parents are Libyan refugees.

  45. srr

    from the OT –

    On the UPF members –

    The men are accused of helping to make a video “with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of” Muslims on October 4, 2015.

    The video allegedly depicts members beheading a dummy outside the Bendigo council’s office.

    Outside court, Mr Shortis said the dummy was beheaded to alert people that a mosque was going to be built.

    “The Bendigo residents didn’t like it, we’re concerned about Islamic migration into this country because there’s correlation to increased numbers and increased acts of terrorism,” he said.

    He accused the State Government of defending Islam’s “grotesque theology”.

    “Australia is founded on the separation of church and state and I’ll use the words of Jacqui Lambie: ‘not on my bloody watch’.”

    Mr Erikson said he would also call on Victoria Police Commissioner Graham Ashton to appear at the hearing.

    “They are corrupted. They have pushed for this case. They have pushed for us to be at court today. I think it’s a conspiracy against right-wing politics and conservative values.”

    The matter will return to court in Melbourne on September 4.

    This was their second appearance in court on that charge. The first in March, adjourned ’til yesterday.

    I can’t find any other news on what was argued yesterday, or why nothing was decided but that they have to come back again in September 2017.

    The MSM, and Much Worse, “Social” Media silence on this case is worse than worrying, particularly when we have rabid Pro-Muslim Invasion Campaigners like Dot, arguing that These Australian Patriots AND Anyone who supports them, Should Fear being Declared Terrorist By The Government.

    areff, you’ve already put your head on the block by telling the truth about how we feel about the ABC, you also went to The Bendigo Rally to, and you to saw lots of normal Australians who simply don’t want to live in fear of Murderous Muslims anymore; any chance you or some other ballsy journo you know, can help lift this Anti-Patriot/Anti-Truth Case up out of where our Nation’s traitors are trying to bury it? Please.

    Cats, please watch this for better understanding of what we aren’t being told, such as just how much, very selective = Pro-Muslim/Anti-Justice justice is already being inflicted on Australians –

    POSSIBLE JAIL TIME FOR FACEBOOK POST
    Blair Cottrell

    May 20, 2017
    This was the original video I made explaining the details of the charges against me, it clocked up over a million views on the UPF Facebook page which was recently deleted by Facebook staff without any notice or reason.
    Watch, share and spread the word!

  46. Infidel Tiger

    Soldiers on the streets. Threat level raises to critical. More attacks deemed imminent.

    “Go about your normal business please Britons.”

    Yeah, okay.

  47. Fisky

    “Go about your business. No surrender. Remember the Blitz!”

    The subtext of everything is open borders and the need to continue importing Muslims. Nothing else.

  48. True Aussie

    BREAKING NEWS: MAJOR TERRORIST ATTACK/MUSLIM COUP IN THE PHILLIPINES.

    Social media has been talking about it for hours but fake news is still stuck on Manchester. I turned on the ABC and nothing.

    Armed men in black masks are setting fire to Marawi and killing those who are not muslim. The Phillipino president has sent in his military.

  49. Baldrick

    Even in the aftermath of Manchester we still get this from our national broadcaster, disguising advocacy as journalism:

    Refugee Council ✔ @OzRefugeeCounc
    Peter Dutton’s ‘fake refugees’ policy could face court challenge from refugee lawyers abc.net.au/news/2017-05-2… via @abcnews

    Rabz the fuckers.

  50. incoherent rambler

    …we need to keep going about our usual lives…

    A tad difficult if you are one of the DEAD.

    Humans blown into unrecognizable pieces of organic matter and message is “ignore it”.

    FFMMDD.

  51. Notafan

    Excellent piece at the Speccy, before the big reveal too but we all knew.


    Killing children makes no sense, unless you are a muslim

  52. Notafan

    I forgot, or a feminist.

  53. srr

    BREAKING: Duterte Declares Martial Law on Southern Island in ISIS Fight

    Carter May 23rd, 2017 4:03 pm 28 Comments

    The Philippines declared martial law on their southern island of Mindanao after a clash with ISIS-linked fighters.

    President Rodrigo Duterte announced on Tuesday in Moscow that the country was declaring martial law in the region. A number of militants raised an ISIS flag in Marawi City and three members of the nation’s security forces were killed during the conflict, 12 were wounded in the encounter.

    The Daily Mail reports:

    Three members of the security forces were killed and 12 wounded, Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana told a news conference, as clashes erupted in the wake of what the military said was a raid on a flat where about 15 rebels were hiding.

    Lt. Gen. Eduardo Ano, the armed forces chief of staff, said nearly 50 gunmen entered Marawi City, which has a population of about 200,000, and burned houses and other buildings to sow confusion during the fighting, the Associated Press reported.
    One group of fighters took up positions near a hospital, where they raised a black ISIS style flag, while others battled troops and police near a provincial jail.

    ‘The whole of Marawi City is blacked out,’ Lorenzana said. ‘There is no light, and there are Maute snipers all around,’ so the Philippine troops are holding their positions. He said reinforcements would arrive Wednesday.

    Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 ✔ @JackPosobiec
    ISIS has taken over a city in the Philippines #PrayForMarawi
    10:12 PM – 23 May 2017
    10,803 10,803 Retweets 7,958 7,958 likes

    Reuters Top News ✔ @Reuters
    JUST IN: President Duterte halts Russia trip; tells Putin there is still fighting in the Philippines and expects Russian support
    6:29 AM – 24 May 2017
    206 206 Retweets 144 144 likes

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/breaking-duterte-declares-martial-law-southern-island-isis-fight/

  54. Atoms for Peace

    With the randomness of the ISIS mob, how long before they take out , say, a bikies kid or relo of seasoned soldier ?

  55. Stimpson J. Cat

    A demented Muslim

    No.
    A sane true believer.
    You follow the book you go to heaven.
    It is the same for all religious texts.
    It is why they exist.
    A guidebook to getting the afterlife you want according to the wishes of your God.
    Let’s be honest please.

  56. incoherent rambler

    … story at the Washington post

    Yes. All stories at the Washington post begin with “Once upon a time…”

  57. Notafan

    Very Stimpy of you Stimpy

    But not all religious texts can be true can they, one could be true or none could be true, but not all true

    I remember suggesting that the religion that demanded constant human sacrifice was probably not the true one here, around three years ago and dotty and another getting cross.

    But islam does require a river of blood, we see it nearly every day.

    What sort of god demands that?

  58. Infidel Tiger

    If Duterte can take back Mindanao all his other many sins will be forgiven.

    The world needs to turn a blind eye for a year or two because it won’t be pretty.

  59. Notafan

    IC does that mean nothing is happening on Mindanao?

    At least what is happening is being reported in the msm.

    That’sa start.

  60. Snoopy

    The world needs to turn a blind eye for a year or two because it won’t be pretty.

    Let’s just refer to it as a road map to world peace.

  61. johanna

    During WWII, Mamma Mia would have refused to name the aggressors or discuss their motivation. They would concentrate on candlelight vigils for the slain, so as to avoid stirring up community anger against the Germans.

    For that, they would have been charged and interned.

    In this enlightened age, they are considered by many to be beacons of compassion and understanding.

    BTW, it will be interesting to see if the luvvies in the music industry begin to shift their mindless advocacy now that their own economic and fan base is under threat (Paris, now Manchester.) Even the dimmest of the many dim bulbs that infest the business must be starting to join the dots. How many parents are going to let their kids go to these concerts after this?

    Nothing like a good kick in the wallet to concentrate their tiny minds.

  62. Senile Old Guy

    After 24 hours of digging, authorities have come to the conclusion that it’s impossible to ignore the possibility Abedi was part of a wider cell in Britain.

    And now there’s an ISIS attack in the Philippines.

    It is getting harder to maintain the ‘nothing to do with Islam’ façade.

  63. Notafan

    Mindanao hasn’t been pretty for a long time.

    I’m just grateful the Spanish and Portuguese sacrificed so many of their priests to convert the rest of the Philippines.

  64. Notafan

    Concerts are all musicians have left.

    Lose those and they’ll all be busking on corners.

    May be that silver lining.

  65. srr

    Too important to be lost at the end of the OT – it is the same here.
    Literally bought and owned australian Politicians (at every level, including and especially in the Politics of Media & Academia), selling us, our rights, freedoms and lives to Muslims.

    Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out”
    Rebel Media

    May 23, 2017
    Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media reports from Manchester after the May 22 terrorist attack. He explains the shocking links between UK politicians and Islamic terrorists, and the local mosque’s connection with ISIS. MORE:

  66. C.L.

    Excellent piece at the Speccy, before the big reveal too but we all knew.
    —————–
    Killing children makes no sense, unless you are a muslim

    Or Planned Parenthood.

  67. Diogenes

    I am really starting to get very fed up with having to share this planet with so many irredeemable fuckwits.

    AMEN !

  68. srr

    Another post that shouldn’t be lost –

    Tailgunner
    #2388946, posted on May 24, 2017 at 9:00 am

    So if an attack happens at a vigil…do they hold another vigil??
    FME

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/867087168564580352

    Breaking911 @Breaking911

    BREAKING: Vigil in Birmingham for Manchester attack victims interrupted after man armed with large knife & baseball bat detained nearby -SKY
    4:37 am · 24 May 2017

  69. john constantine

    Their andrew broad, nationals mp for Mallee is a weathervane, at the moment he is under seige from the push to have fifty percent of winnable nationals seats held by a vegan feminist activist, and their left are telling lefties to not join the greens as party members in safe national seats, but join the nats and take the seat for the left that way.

    Currently, nice mr broad is tacking hard left and calling for fifty thousand refugees a year [ sponsored migrants, their wives and kids] to be imported into rural Australia, to open the hearts of racists.

    Somebody with a Twitter account care to tweet him about how much more the people of Britain have to open their hearts?.

  70. .

    Refusing to name a dead suicide bomber is just pathetic.

    The Philippines is a reflection of the West having strong words but no physical commitment, for a very long time.

  71. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 1h

    ISIS in captured-city Marawi (Philippines) beheading teachers, kidnapping women, forcing men to fight. Military to begin bombing at sunrise.
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/867149542122303489

  72. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    “For Waleed Aly, we need to keep going about our usual lives, and not let fear win.

    The rightful place for the kafir is as islamic property. Property should not concern itself with anything beyond paying the jizya and serving in dhimmitude.

  73. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 1h1 hour ago

    ISIS has captured Philippines city of Marawi, population of 200k, beheading non-Muslims. Military set to retake city/begin air strikes soon.
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/867147344109854720

  74. Sparkx

    Mia Freedman and those of her ilk make me sick. They deliberately ignore who and what caused the massacre. sympathise with the victims and their families, and then sit back and wait for it all to happen again. Cretins.

  75. Eddystone #2388978, posted on May 24, 2017 at 9:44 am
    Julian Burnside again.

    Nothing is more amusing than a left-winger who possesses a twitter account!

  76. .

    Anti Trump stuff from the New Daily:

    To compensate, the package contains deep cuts in entitlement programs that would hit hardest many of the economically strained voters whose backing propelled the president into office.

    Maybe they don’t want the handouts anymore?

  77. But what if you cannot live your life any more, because your culture and way of life have been declared to be reactionary to the forces of Revolution?. What if you do not want to drop your head and muddle along with your life, while Stalinists organise for your kind to be Purged?.

    What if you can’t live your life because totalitarianism has killed your kids, or turned your kids into radical left wing militia members that only live to denounce you for waleeds pleasure?.

    So well stated, JC. It really is time for Walleed to be called loud and clear on exactly what he is doing. that YAM creature too. On that note, I wonder if Bishop is having any second thoughts on protecting YAM with the latest revelations on her snide smear of Anzac Day.

  78. C.L.

    The future of the Philippines has worried me for years.
    We are bleeding money and lives in the unsalvageable toilet that is Afghanistan.
    It’s the Philippines we should be bolstering with treasure and blood. It is one of the last avowedly Christian nations on earth and is considered a paradigm theatre for that reason by Muslim turds.
    Islam should be exterminated there. Wiped out, Isabella-style.

  79. Infidel Tiger

    The Manchester suicide bomber was a “regular kid”, a university student and keen cricket fan. What went wrong?

    The opening paragraph at The Oz.

    Jeez that’s a real head scratcher.

  80. Eddystone

    Nothing is more amusing than a left-winger who possesses a twitter account!

    Julian Burnside is an utter fuckwit.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Islam should be exterminated there. Wiped out, Isabella-style.

    Damn straight.

    The Phillipines is what happens when Wahhabis infect a country and now it is spreading to our doorstep. The House of Saud must be nuked.

  82. Andrew

    For that $4 plus billion we could build several high efficiency coal plants. And if you built one on the site of Munmorah, which is currently being blown up, you’d potentially save on poles and wires and other infrastructure.

    As I point out to the ecoloons, even if renewbulls WERE competitive / cheaper than / almost as cheap as / getting more competitive all the time / more reliable / always blowing somewhere, the fact is we are NOT starting from a clean sheet. The grid is already in place to the front door of coal plants. It is NOT in place to Bumfuck, SA. And since we’re told the “gold plated poles and wires” constitute the vast majority of the price increases, not the hideously expensive generation, it is mathematically impossible for renewbulls to compete with an EXISTING grid. Renewbulls can ONLY EVER be a factor in brand new rollouts which are currently off-grid and have no existing generation capacity.

    So as a solution for Urumqi (the windiest city on earth at the base of the Himalayas, and thousands of km from the national grid) it may well be a sensible thing for da Chineeeeeeeeze to do.

    And of course the same applies equally to the generation itself. No matter what their stats show about it being “cheaper”************ you can never be cheaper than something you have already built and which would have negative scrap value (after remediation if replaced). It’s economically equivalent to torching your Falcon because a Camry is now $2000 cheaper, AND paying the fire brigade for the cost of putting out the fire and having the wreck towed away.

    * subsidies
    * RET compulsion
    * govt-provided grid
    * carbon tax
    * EIS
    * UN obligations
    * etc

  83. /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 1h1 hour ago

    ISIS has captured Philippines city of Marawi, population of 200k, beheading non-Muslims. Military set to retake city/begin air strikes soon.
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/867147344109854720

    Pretty much on our doorstep, yet I daresay this will not be reported in the MSM.

  84. I have to wonder if an islamic terrorist slaughter attack on the children of Britain will be enough to get the necessary response moving.

    If not, why not?

  85. C.L.

    Why TF are we still fighting in Afghanistan?
    Let them go back to their goat buggering.
    Nobody cares.

  86. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 3h3 hours ago

    UK bracing for “imminent” terror attack. Comes after reports ISIS accidentally claimed responsibility for attack that hadn’t occurred yet.
    ..
    ⚘Bink ❤‏ @markle_darla 2h
    More
    Replying to @polNewsForever

    22-05-13 lee rigby
    22-03-16 Brussels attack
    22-07-16 Munich attack
    22-03-17 London attack
    22-05-17 Manchester attack
    22-07-17 ???
    ..
    https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/867124463988613120

  87. My piece this morning on ski resort earnings, koala jokes, falling fridges, and nail bombs.

    Thanks to Nick for the nail bomb line yesterday.

  88. Infidel Tiger

    The Manchester-born singer Morrissey has hit out at politicians for their reaction to the bombing in his hometown that has killed 22 people and injured 59 more.

    In his statement, the former Smiths frontman claimed that politicians are safe from attacks, while the rest of the country is left vulnerable. The MP Jo Cox was murdered by a rightwing extremist last June.

    Morrissey cited government immigration policy among his complaints saying the prime minister would never change her immigration policy in the light of the attacks. It is believed that the bomber named by police, Salman Abedi, was British-born and from Manchester.

    The world has gone mad when Morrissey is the sanest voice.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/morrissey-attacks-politicians-and-the-queen-over-manchester-terrorism-response

  89. .

    Rob – thanks for that Mobile Oil v Victoria (2002) case. Pretty interesting. It is a shame Cotrell probably cannot use it as a defence.

  90. Eddystone

    Kevin Crehan, the guy gaoled for a year for putting bacon on the doors of a mosque, was found dead in prison in December, but as far as I can see, there is still no explanation of how he died.

    Has anyone heard any information on this?

    Is it another cover up by the gov’t?

  91. .

    Andrew
    #2389002, posted on May 24, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Good post! Your analogy captures the dilemma quite well.

  92. Anthony

    ISIS has captured Philippines city of Marawi, population of 200k, beheading non-Muslims. Military set to retake city/begin air strikes soon.

    Fake news!

    According to what I hear. Troops attacked a group of about a dozen insurgents, in an attempt to capture their muslim leader who called in an unknown number of reinforcements. A couple of soldiers and a couple of muslims have died but the city is, and always has been, under the control of the authorities. Now that Duterte has declared martial law down south we’ll see muslim blood running in the gutters before long.

  93. JC

    CL

    I think Afghanistan is important if only because it’s a killing field for jihadis. More like a culling than a killing field. Done right, like we saw with Trump authorizing dropping that huge bomb and it’s eminently workable.

  94. john constantine

    Afghanistan is a ‘puppy factory’ for the western funded breeding of replacement jihadis.

    The fundementalist jihadi culture can pump out generations so fast that their breeders are mothers in early teens, grandmothers in mid twenties and great-grandmothers by the same age that western wymynsys start frantically pounding on the doors of fertility clinics to try and cheat fate for their one trophy child.

  95. jupes

    Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out”

    Magnificent rant by Tommy. Thanks srr.

    He is an excellent speaker. Doesn’t appear to have any notes just lets it rip. Plenty of facts thrown in too which shows he’s on top of his brief.

    Let’s hope he gets a wider audience.

  96. JC

    Yep, the West really is worth saving and fighting for.

    When a man straps on a bomb of nails, goes to woman’s concert to kill an audience of women and girls – IT’S A SAFE BET SEXISM IS INVOLVED.

    — Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) May 23, 2017

    and this

    This is the response from the Met Police to the slaughter of our children in Manchester

  97. jupes

    I think Afghanistan is important if only because it’s a killing field for jihadis.

    I agree but the problem is we only go in half-arsed. We have been fighting the Taliban there for over 16 years. That is ridiculous.

    Either wipe them out or get out.

  98. jupes

    Let’s not forget that Islam is not only the Religion of Peace but also the Most Feminist Religion.

  99. Stimpson J. Cat

    But not all religious texts can be true can they, one could be true or none could be true, but not all true

    Of course they can all be true.
    Does a creator have a responsibility to or for it’s creations?
    Who are we to judge God?
    Who are we to even assume we understand what God is capable of?
    You have to assume it is capable of everything and anything it wants.
    Like creating every religion and being every God and inspiring every prophet.
    Like destroying an entire world with a flood if it’s in a bad mood for example.
    Just to see what happens.
    Just to see what we do.
    Human belief in a particular religion or God invariably puts limits on the capabilities or possibilities of a being which has no limits. That is the opposite of what being a God is.
    People need to realize that there is a very good possibility that every religion in existence was initially created by people like me.
    That does not mean they can’t have their good points(the people like me and the religions.)
    😁

    I envy anyone who can believe wholeheartedly in any religion. You are very lucky and you should cherish what you have.

  100. john constantine

    Sitting nationals mp’s know that some of them will have to go to meet the quota of fifty percent wymynsys vegan waleed followers holding nat. seats in parliment.

    This means the most conservative nats will be targetted by the left first, the most leftist nats will be tolerated.

    “Eat me Last” is now the prime self preservation mode for career nat pollies.

    Note that broad doesn’t do press releases on the genocide of rural communities from their Murray Darling Basin Plan to deindustrialise agriculture, he doesn’t do press releases on how ruinable electricity will see his electorate go down under rolling blackouts this summer, he chooses to outflank the other nats with press releases on opening up the hearts of racist rural folk by allowing rural shires to import refugees and their families, so shire diversity employment targets can be met and federal debt shovelled in for services.

    The cunning plan is that andrew broad doesn’t have to outrun the feminist wymynsys leftist hordes, he just has to outrun the slowest and most conservative of his fellow national mp’s as he flees left.

  101. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘Police not to blame’

    The Lindt Cafe siege deaths and injuries were not the fault of the police, but of terrorist Man Haron Monis alone, NSW Coroner Michael Barnes has found. “I cannot stress too heavily that the deaths and injuries that occurred as a result of the siege were not the fault of the police, “All of the blame for those rest Man Haron Monis.

    “He created the intensely dangerous situation, he maliciously executed Tori Johnson, he barricaded himself into a corner of the cafe and his actions or police to enter the cafe in circumstances where the risk of hostages being wounded or killed was very high.” He praised police for their bravery and described the hostages’ experience as “torture”.

    Barnes said it has been hard to critique the actions of the NSW Police Force Tactical Operations Unit who stormed the cafe.

    “No shortcomings can be attributed to lack of courage or dedication if any aspects were not quite good enough, this report attempts to identify how and why,

    “Of course it is tragic two lives were lost. Right from the outset, 18 lives were imperilled. the outcome could have been far worse for many families … against what standard does one (critique) a man ordered to stare down death to save strangers?”

    Breaking news from the Oz.

  102. .

    If the Met Police are responding to that tweet “stand up for your wives and daughters…” oh god. Britain simply isn’t a free nation anymore.

    Just read the comments. Someone told her that “racism is illegal because it causes extreme reactions” or something like that. Well it might occasionally but it isn’t causal like that. Are they familiar with the concept that often we choose to take offence, but in the degree of our offence to our sensibilities?

    I reckon she is trolling a fair bit too…”final solution”, I reckon she knows what that means. She obviously doesn’t mean it and it ought not to be illegal to make a double entendre.

    Plenty of people are going to use hyperbole, they’re pissed off and rightly so.

    Free speech is sacred.

  103. Stimpson J. Cat

    The world has gone mad when Morrissey is the sanest voice.

    Real British men are vegan.
    Jesus Christ.
    Truly this is the end times.

  104. Tailgunner

    Yep, the West really is worth saving and fighting for.

    When a man straps on a bomb of nails, goes to woman’s concert to kill an audience of women and girls – IT’S A SAFE BET SEXISM IS INVOLVED.

    — Brianna Wu (@Spacekatgal) May 23, 2017

    Lol – Brian is one of the world’s most mentally ill people.
    And one of the worst videogame makers.
    The Brianna Wu story is bloody hilarious though!

  105. Roger

    Of course they can all be true.

    Not if they contradict each other.

  106. .

    Maybe Yaweh lied?

    “You’re going to have to shiv poor young Issac”

    *Really?*

    “Yep”

    *Here goes…*

    “Nah, all good.”

    *LIAR!*

    Just like how lying to kids about Santa Claus and so on isn’t a bad thing.

  107. I’ve been saying for years:

    Literally bought and owned australian Politicians (at every level, including and especially in the Politics of Media & Academia), selling us, our rights, freedoms and lives to Muslims.

    Our Leaders Have Made Common Cause With Our Enemies.
    Believe me now?

  108. incoherent rambler

    Like destroying an entire world with a flood if it’s in a bad mood for example.

    Judaeo/Christian god (these days) is generally viewed as having created a universe with a set of static rules. Things don’t change on a whim. It is up to the devotees to adhere to the given rules and figure out the rest of the rules (i.e. understand the world, universe and all those other things).

  109. Roger

    And so the obfuscation begins:

    “Manchester bomber was a “native” of the city” who enjoyed cricket and was enrolled at a local university.

    In reality his family were devout Muslims most of whom have returned to their homeland of Libya.

    Neighbours describe them as “a bit weird”, i.e. unassimilated.

    Far from grasping the opportunities Britain afforded him, the bomber dropped out of university and ran with a gang before being “radicalised”.

    Naturally, the local imam claims not to know them: “Thousands of Libyans pray here”. Why does Manchester need “thousands of Libyans”?

  110. Des Deskperson

    Jullian Burnside ideas and attitudes always reminds me of Orwell’s critique of pacifism and pacifists: only possible for people with ‘too much money and security’

  111. Lysander

    ran with a gang before being “radicalised”.

    Was the gang called the Ummah?

  112. Infidel Tiger

    FFS. 6PR has Ann Aly on as a terrorism expert.

    She’s a jihadist.

  113. Shy Ted

    Never thought I’d say this but I miss Frank Elly. Whether I was driving to work or having the morning walk I could count on 2 hours of rabid leftism. Hilarious since Donald was elected, insufferable before. The current stand-ins, Hamish and Patricia are just soft lefties, barely worthy of employment at their ABC. There’s just no urgency to tackle climate change or same-sex marriage. Sometimes 20 minutes goes by without a derogatory remark about Tony Abbott or Donald Trump. That never happened with Frank. I miss him.
    On a slightly different note I had to wait several hours last night til my incredibly offensive rewriting of the national anthem sat with the moderators. Thankfully it made it through.

  114. .

    Cripes.

    This is why Trump won. Have a look at this statement. Incredibly bigoted in itself. If you’re not a Portlandian, fuck off they say:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1nRqANVIAEVS_H.jpg

    That is the woman Brianna Wu refused to run against. Instead she ran against a conservative Democrat.

  115. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ve been saying for years

    If you think it is bad here, just read this one from today:

    Congressional Aides Fear Suspects In IT Breach Are Blackmailing Members With Their Own Data

    Congressional technology aides are baffled that data-theft allegations against four former House IT workers — who were banned from the congressional network — have largely been ignored, and they fear the integrity of sensitive high-level information.

    Imran Awan and three relatives were colleagues until police banned them from computer networks at the House of Representatives after suspicion the brothers accessed congressional computers without permission.

    Five Capitol Hill technology aides told The Daily Caller News Foundation’s Investigative Group that members of Congress have displayed an inexplicable and intense loyalty towards the suspects who police say victimized them. The baffled aides wonder if the suspects are blackmailing representatives based on the contents of their emails and files, to which they had full access.

    “I don’t know what they have, but they have something on someone. It’s been months at this point” with no arrests, said Pat Sowers, who has managed IT for several House offices for 12 years. “Something is rotten in Denmark.”

    So four Pakis who had a patchy record as IT administrators are so lurved by Congress members that no action is being taken against them despite a litany of alleged wrongdoing.

    RTWT. It is really creepy.

  116. jupes

    The Lindt Cafe siege deaths and injuries were not the fault of the police, but of terrorist Man Haron Monis alone, NSW Coroner Michael Barnes has found.

    What about the scumbag legal types who let him out on bail?

  117. Nick

    Des, imagine if anyone dared to use similar statistics about refrigerator related injuries in comparison to the statistical likelihood of receiving domestic violence or homophobia. Burnside and his ilk would have a meltdown.

  118. srr

    jupes
    #2389019, posted on May 24, 2017 at 10:32 am

    Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out”

    Magnificent rant by Tommy. Thanks srr.

    He is an excellent speaker. Doesn’t appear to have any notes just lets it rip. Plenty of facts thrown in too which shows he’s on top of his brief.

    Let’s hope he gets a wider audience.

    That’s just it jupes, he does know what he’s talking about, because he’s lived it.

    He knows the terrorists personally, including old best mates he went to school with, who later converted to Islam, and he knows the victims personally, including a cousin of his who was groomed and lost to his family; a Muslim sex slave.

    And, for a working class lad from Luton, he’s really no dummy; he did scholorship himself into Aeronautical Engineering.

    If you haven’t read his book yet, I strongly recommend you do. It’s not only page turning ripping yarn, but it does drive home just how much courage that Luton Lad has, and how much we’ll all need to muster to defeat this Evil Enemy, The State that keeps selling us to Islam.

  119. Stimpson J. Cat

    Every day, in every way, the Stimpy Solution becomes the only sane option for dealing with Islam.
    Hopefully President Trump is acting as an advance undercover scout for the taking of Mecca.
    What do we want?
    Muslim’s to go to the Middle East.
    How can we make Muslim’s want to go to the Middle East?
    Taking and holding Mecca for good is the only solution.
    And before you say “No Stimpy that’s mean you can’t do that, I reply in two words. Temple Mount. ”
    McDonalds in the Kaaba.
    Just imagine.

  120. Lysander

    IT, from memory, Anne Aly is not a terrorism expert. I’m sure I looked up her thesis and it was on the “media’s portrayal of terror” which is far from a terrorism expert.

    Academically, you’d need a PhD in International Relations at the very least to be considered as such.

  121. Stimpson J. Cat

    Not if they contradict each other.

    God can do anything it wants.
    True or False?

  122. Tintarella di Luna

    Has anyone seen a tweet from the TechnicolourTowelTower confirming the feminism of Islam given that it was pre-pubescent little girls who were the target of the Monster of Manchester?

  123. Fat Tony

    Notafan
    #2388971, posted on May 24, 2017 at 9:40 am

    Very Stimpy of you Stimpy

    But not all religious texts can be true can they, one could be true or none could be true, but not all true

    I remember suggesting that the religion that demanded constant human sacrifice was probably not the true one here, around three years ago and dotty and another getting cross.

    But islam does require a river of blood, we see it nearly every day.

    What sort of god demands that?

    Allah = Moloch

  124. srr

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted
    Peter McLoughlin‏ @pmclauth 1h1 hour ago
    Replying to @GadSaad

    My new book with @TRobinsonNewEra shows that Islam has been terrorism since Year 1.
    Elite knew this.
    They still imported it & lie for it.

    https://twitter.com/pmclauth/status/867161094430785538

  125. Roger

    FFS. 6PR has Ann Aly on as a terrorism expert.

    When I hear the term “terrorism expert” I now think “Quisling”.

    One was on The Dumb yesterday urging us to be “more welcoming”, FFS.

  126. max

    Duterte was reported a while back as opening negotiations for ceding part of the Southern Phils toMuslims.

    This was presented as the “solution” to historic conflicts.Progress.

  127. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just like how lying to kids about Santa Claus and so on isn’t a bad thing.

    Why do you think there has been such a decline in the belief in religion over the last 300 years?
    Pretty obvious.
    Santa and the Easter Bunny are the worst things to ever happen to organized religion.

  128. OldOzzie

    From Michael Smith News

    Letter to Minister for Foreign Affairs Julie Bishop regarding new information on the ABDEL-MAGEID ANZAC Day social media scandal

    Dear Minister,

    ABDEL-MAGEID, Yassmin – offensive ANZAC Day social media post and fitness to remain on Government Boards

    On 8 May 2017 you wrote to Senator Eric Abetz to advise him that “In view of Ms Abdel-Mageid’s apology” (amongst other things) you would not remove her from membership of the board of the Council for Australian Arab Relations.

    You set out the background to your decision – as it relates to Ms Abdel-Mageid’s highly offensive ANZAC Day social media post:

    On 10 September 2016, Ms Abdel Mageid was given the opportunity to address the Festival with her Right of Reply. Ms Abdel Mageid spoke passionately about minority groups and their right to “own” their culture – and that even by writing about it, a white person has improperly appropriated a part of that culture in a manner tantamount to theft – and certain to cause great distress.

    Ms Abdel Mageid said,

    “… I don’t know, like I feel like sometimes people get annoyed if you

    want to claim anything for yourself or want to say well actually something

    is sacred umm… and then, and, but I’m not able to take it the other way

    around. So if I went around saying well, the ANZACS were kinda rubbish,

    you know like Gallipoli, what is that, I would get crucified. I mean look

    at me, I’m a brown Muslim woman. Like imagine if I went around hating on

    Gallipoli? People would die. I would, like, but… anything that is

    deem… that I deem as sacred, is fair game..”

    In those prepared remarks delivered 7 months before Anzac Day 2017 Ms Abdel Mageid predicts precisely the impact her ANZAC day Facebook post would create. It shows considerable insight into both the significance of ANZAC Day and the reaction from the Australian public should she proceed to appropriate and misuse that identity.

    “I would get crucified…..people would die” (metaphorically presumably, given it was we and not the Ottoman Caliphate that prevailed after the ANZAC’s first outing).

    In September 2016 these were well developed ideas as delivered by Ms Abdel Magied, “If I went around saying the ANZACS were kinda rubbish, you know, Gallipoli, what is that, if I went around hating on Gallipoli etc etc” then she adds “but anything that I deem as sacred is fair game”.

    That was precisely the construct of her ANZAC day social media post – the Syria, Manus Island, Palestine issues (deemed close to her heart) presented in the context of simultaneously “hating on” or disrespecting the ANZAC identity.

    Ms Abdel Mageid misleading you and the public

    At 9.42AM on Anzac Day, about 50 minutes after posting the offensive post, Ms Abdel Mageid published this apology (my emphasis):

    “It was brought to my attention that my last post was disrespectful, and for that, I apologise unreservedly”.

    In the context of her exquisitely detailed thesis on the cultural appropriation of ANZAC Day and the consequences there of, it’s difficult to see how that apology could be sincere or truthful.

    You report that Ms Abdel Magied “profusely” apologised to you and the Australian Government on being told of the Government’s “deep concerns” and of your dismay at her “highly inappropriate” post.

    You report that Ms Abdel-Mageid was “mortified” that her post was seen as a reflection on and rejection of the sanctity of ANZAC Day and the sacrifice of our veterans and their families.

    Ms Abdel-Mageid claims to have only intended for the post to be a reference to current global conflicts and crises.

    You accepted Ms Abdel-Mageid’s apologies and explanation about her intended meaning and mortification as to being misinterpreted as truthful.

    I think her September 2016 recorded, considered and public-record statement casts great doubt on the sincerity of Ms Abdel-Mageid’s apology – and on the veracity of her claimed innocence and “mortification” that her post had been construed as reflecting on the sanctity of ANZAC Day.

    The public and you as Minister must have confidence that appointees to Boards advising Government tell the truth and have Australia’s best interests genuinely at heart.

    Perhaps you might reconsider whether Ms Abdel Mageid retains your confidence and let us know of your decision.

    I propose to treat this as an open and public communication with you.

    Yours sincerely

    Michael P. Smith

  129. cohenite

    srr

    #2388922, posted on May 24, 2017 at 8:35 am

    Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out”
    Rebel Media

    May 23, 2017
    Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media reports from Manchester after the May 22 terrorist attack. He explains the shocking links between UK politicians and Islamic terrorists, and the local mosque’s connection with ISIS. MORE

    Good man Tommy.

  130. Roger

    God can do anything it wants. True or False?

    Firstly, God is not an “it”; God is a Person.

    Now, God can do anything he wants that is in accordance with his nature and the nature of his creation, so my answer to yourquestion is “true”.

  131. Stimpy;

    How can we make Muslim’s want to go to the Middle East?
    Taking and holding Mecca for good is the only solution.

    This a plan I’ve spoken of before.
    Take Mecca and Jeddah.
    Fortify them and because they are near the sea, they can be resupplied with heavy weapons.
    Have pig races around the Kaaba.
    Let the lunatics come at the razor wire, and have the guns do the work of the Lord.
    Tell them, “No. Our God is Greater.”
    We will either wipe out all the crazies, or will breed a rational Arab.

  132. Infidel Tiger

    Duterte was reported a while back as opening negotiations for ceding part of the Southern Phils toMuslims.

    This was presented as the “solution” to historic conflicts.Progress.

    I don’t trust him at all.

    His only opposition is the Catholic Bishops so I imagine he will do all he can to appease the Islamists.

  133. Bruce of Newcastle

    “You’re going to have to shiv poor young Issac”

    I think you might want to reread that section Dot. Just saying.
    Consider also that God is also pointing to Jesus his son, who was indeed an obedient sacrifice of atonement for Christians.
    Also read the letter to the Hebrews for more context.

  134. Bruce of Newcastle

    “You’re going to have to shiv poor young Issac”

    I think you might want to reread that section Dot. Just saying.
    Consider also that God is also pointing to Jesus his son, who was indeed an obedient sacrifice of atonement for Christians.
    Also read the letter to the H-brews for more context.

  135. cohenite

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    #2389025, posted on May 24, 2017 at 10:41 am

    ‘Police not to blame’

    The Lindt Cafe siege deaths and injuries were not the fault of the police, but of terrorist Man Haron Monis alone, NSW Coroner Michael Barnes has found. “I cannot stress too heavily that the deaths and injuries that occurred as a result of the siege were not the fault of the police, “All of the blame for those rest Man Haron Monis.

    “He created the intensely dangerous situation, he maliciously executed Tori Johnson, he barricaded himself into a corner of the cafe and his actions or police to enter the cafe in circumstances where the risk of hostages being wounded or killed was very high.” He praised police for their bravery and described the hostages’ experience as “torture”.

    Barnes said it has been hard to critique the actions of the NSW Police Force Tactical Operations Unit who stormed the cafe.

    Police did not rescue one hostage, they all escaped under their own steam.
    Police used at least 2 shooters when they entered the café when basic protocol was one.
    Police used FMJ ammunition which caused the ricochet death and injuries. Hollow point, lowload ammunition should have been used.
    Police should have shot the muslim as soon as they knew he didn’t have a bomb; ie about an hour after it started.
    Police resources were focused on Operation Hammerhead to do with preventing any backlash against the muslims.
    Police command regarded the muslim as having equal rights to any hostage.

    Conclusion: you’re on your own.

  136. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Criticism for bail lawyers

    Barnes has concluded the Department of Public Prosecution lawyer who opposed Monis’s bail acted “inadequately”. “He should have filed written submissions,” he said.

    “Police made a mistake when they failed to arrest Monis on multiple new sex charges … that error increased Monis’s chance of being granted bail.”

    Barnes: “Experts on terrorism, radicalisation and Islamic State gave evidence. Even with the benefit of that evidence, it remains unclear whether Monis was motivated by Islamic State to prosecute its bloodthirsty agenda… He adopted extreme violence to influence the government … that clearly brings his crimes within the definition of terrorism.”

    “The siege was a terrorist incident.”

    More on the coroner’s report from the Oz.

  137. Stimpson J. Cat

    Allah = Moloch

    And Ishtar and Hubal and Inanna etc etc……

    The religion as a whole can essentially be boiled down to one sentence.

    Islam revolves around men walking in circles around a pile of broken rocks.

  138. C.L.

    “Manchester bomber was a “native” of the city” who enjoyed cricket and was enrolled at a local university.

    Young Austrian veteran enjoyed painting …

  139. Andrew

    The Manchester suicide bomber was a “regular kid”, a university student and keen cricket fan. What went wrong?

    1) Well, it started with the Kenyan sponsoring his wildly successful “Arab Spring” regime change which handed Libya to the jihadis (at the urging of his incompetent SoS, following the Crimton42 “regime change to democracy” plan first devised for Iraq). That, as it has every single fucking time it was implemented bar a miraculous escape in Egypt, left a completely failed state behind in which ISIS filled a vacuum.
    2) Mohd al-Explosion travelled repeatedly back to this wildly unsafe place which no sensible person would ever set foot it, which identified him to the authorities 100% as a jihadi in training.
    3) They did fuck-all about him until he blew himself up in a kids’ concert, intending to maximise casualties amongst girls Aisha’s age.

  140. Infidel Tiger

    I dare the MET to arrest Katie Hopkins.

    The British Police are now the state backed enforcers for the jihadis.

  141. C.L.

    Manchester mobilises the embodiment of its masculine aggression:

    Poet delivers defiant message from Manchester.

  142. cohenite

    Great essay on Manchester and islam generally by, of all people, an alp member:

    We like to think of Islamism as being a construction of order, with a hierarchy that mirrors our own, and with a capacity to arrive at some negotiated position if it comes into conflict. But the moment we do that we miscategorise what it is that Islamism actually is. It is a radically different moral framework for confronting the world, one that comprises of allies and enemies, one in which the achievement of Paradise is most assuredly brought about through the physical destruction of the enemy. It is not without order or form, but it is not an order or form that is grounded in the ethic of individual worth as we understand it. It has no Pope, and so cannot move monolithically. Theological evolution is no simple task and it is often the case that a local imam’s idiosyncratically moderate interpretation of Islam has little relevance outside of his local community. Even then, moving the religion itself requires leaving a significant amount of theology at the door, or radically re-understanding it in a way that has simply not occurred for the most part of history.

    This is what we really find so wickedly difficult to understand about Islamist jihad – we appeal to it from a moral language it does not speak as an enemy it is sworn to destroy. This is not some melodramatic construction of its position; it should be plainly obvious this is the case. If Manchester isn’t good enough, is Paris and Manchester? Is Orlando, Paris and Manchester? How many more times do we need to see these exact things play out before we are comfortable making some sort of system-wide claim about jihadism and the ideology that motivates it? That’s before we even get to policy prescriptions (and good luck to mainstream politicians who try to get to that stage).

    We need to stop thinking of these terrorists as the downtrodden and the powerless. They are often not at all economically poor and, in many instances, much more spiritually rich than us. The ideology that allows them to commit group murder against children, or celebrate when it occurs, is not an ideology that can be confronted with compassion and understanding, especially when our version of compassion is so thoroughly intertwined with simplistic notions of power. It is a very peculiar, demented form of moral relativism that says someone’s power position is the only category worth considering in relation to their capacity to do good or, as the case may be, evil.

    We are often told by well-meaning people following terror attacks that we can’t let it change us. We must insist it change us because we need to have answers for the families of these kids, and we need to demonstrate that we are at least psychologically honest enough to confront what it is we are dealing with when we see jihadist terror.

    Great essay. Islam is the antithesis of the West. Islam must be destroyed and if it isn’t the West will be.

  143. Roger

    I dare the MET to arrest Katie Hopkins.

    And Morrisey.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    43 MINUTES AGO | 10.45am
    Deputy police chief acted ‘appropriately’

    Coroner Barnes on former Deputy Commissioner Cath Burn:

    “There is no evidence to suggest she deleted text messages to avoid disclosing them to the inquest,” he said. “I accept the Deputy Commissioner Burn’s evidence that deleted texts contained nothing of significance.

    “I find nothing Deputy Commissioner Burn did was of an operational nature. There is no suggestion she inappropriately interfered or should have intervened. It is plain she had a clear understanding between the role of an operation and executive officer.”

    Barnes on Contain and Negotiate strategy.

    “The primary strategy for the Police Force for is contain and negotiate, and that approach was adopted. Sadly it failed.”

    More from the Oz.

  145. Shy Ted

    Name that tune…
    You made us drink your alcohol
    You made us use your drugs
    You poisoned all our waterholes
    Put smallpox on our rugs
    You taught us how to beat our wives
    With fat lips and black eyes
    It’s Oz’ shame so let’s all blame
    The West’ rich, old, white guys.
    You even made us go to school
    You made us sit on chairs
    You made us play the AFL
    The best are millionaires
    And ATSIC made us bureaucrats
    And wealthy ones it’s true
    We’d much prefer of how things were
    So why should we thank you?

  146. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Notafan #2388971, posted on May 24, 2017 at 9:40 am

    I remember suggesting that the religion that demanded constant human sacrifice was probably not the true one here, around three years ago and dotty and another getting cross.

    But islam does require a river of blood, we see it nearly every day.

    What sort of god demands that?

    Almost all primitive religions have elements of human sacrifice in them. It’s the natural conclusion to the thought process, “What must I do to get God off my back/make him happy?”
    Without direct communications from the heavens, the ‘safest’ option is human mutilation or sacrifice. Otherwise, how can you be sure you’ve done enough?

    Remember, Abraham totally went along with it when God told him to sacrifice Isaac. No questions. It was standard practice. Then, at the last possible moment, God showed a better way. An animal will do. Later still, it was demonstrated that you don’t even need an animal.

    Islam hasn’t got this concept.

  147. Infidel Tiger

    Has Sean Hannity resigned and admitted his idiocy yet?

    He got played big time.

  148. srr

    Infidel Tiger
    #2389069, posted on May 24, 2017 at 11:26 am

    I dare the MET to arrest Katie Hopkins.

    The British Police are now the state backed enforcers for the jihadis.

    Has ANYONE bothered to watch Tommy Robinson’s videos? Read his book?
    It’s not called, “ENEMY of The STATE”, for nothing.

    The greatest danger to his wife, children, extended family and himself, has been The State, that through Police, The Courts and State Funded Media, that keeps feeding them to Muslim thugs.

  149. cohenite

    C.L.

    #2389064, posted on May 24, 2017 at 11:19 am

    JC’s link …
    Oh. My. God.

    Terrible. This creep who made the complaint, DarrenB, is symptomatic; how do you fight islam with this mentality prevailing?

  150. Senile Old Guy

    “Four aspects of [deputy] Commissioner Burn’s conduct was looked at. There is no evidence she rejected text messages. It would have been preferable for all evidence to be retained. But the deleted texts had nothing of significance… I find nothing PC Burn did during the siege was of an operational nature. There is no suggestion that she interfered inappropriately in operational matters or that she failed to intervene when she should have taken action. It is plain she had a clear understanding of the distinction between the role of an executive officer and that of an operation officer, and she adhered to it.”

    Burn did nothing wrong. It was the negotiators’ fault.

    “Such a broadcast from Monis on radio as he desired could have brought about fear and panic. But a compromise could have been explored, such as an offer to let a released hostage read a statement prepared by Monis and vetted by police. The opportunity to use this and to foster engagement with Monis was not sufficiently considered. “The negotiators failed to undertake and structured assessment of whether headway was being achieved. They had no procedure for undertaking such assessment. The police commander in the forward commander did not press them for advice on whether the negotiations were heading towards the finish of the engagement.

  151. srr

    The Rebel in Manchester: Wake up — We are at war
    CAOLAN ROBERTSON
    REBEL COMMENTATOR

    Tommy Robinson and I are currently in Manchester, England, reporting on the Islamic terrorist attack that killed over 20 young people at a concert last night.

    If you need more proof that we are at war, today, for the first time in decades, 5000 UK troops have been deployed in the streets of England.

    At least the last time we were at war, the British people were allowed to name their enemy.

    Not today. Instead, the elites once again lecture us to avoid “hate” and to welcome even more Muslim refugees.

    All these hashtags and vigils will make no difference.

    We need to face reality.

  152. Senile Old Guy

    OMG:

    “There was considerable controversy around what were the triggers for the initiation of an emergency action. I conclude that the primary trigger was the death or serious injury of a hostage and that there was a secondary trigger, which have a lower threshold of imminent or immediate threat of such events. In my view, those triggers were appropriate.”

    Yes, you are on your own. It is appropriate for the police to wait until someone is injured or killed. As they did in Melbourne.

  153. Tintarella di Luna

    Burn did nothing wrong. It was the negotiators’ fault.

    Then why did new Police Commissioner Mick Fuller relieve her of the Counter-terrorism command?

  154. Roger

    Your move, Stimp.

    Back later.

  155. Roger

    In my view, those triggers were appropriate.

    It’s official:

    We have just reached the height of idiocy.

  156. Mother Lode

    I wonder how Burnside would feel if an airline company declared they were going to pare back on safety procedures because, even with the reduced safety, there is still less chance of death than being in a car accident.

    This ‘comparison’ schtick is a sloppy mental manoeuvre to make people think they are being irrational by being apprehensive.

    It overlooks the way people actually think – such as risk assessment and our own capacity for risk mitigation – watching the other cars when you drive and ensuring your own car is maintained, not being in Chicago to avoid gun death etc.

    These attacks are random and meant to make us feel vulnerable and immobilise us by fear.

    His thinking is that death by terrorism should not be an issue until it is as ubiquitous as car accidents.

    I will bet he thinks one person being burned by their McDonalds coffee demands legal action, even though car accidents are more common.

    What a piece of shit.

    Notice that terrorists avoid western law courts, judges, and bottomfeeders? Professional courtesy. Why attack the fifth column that supports and succours you behind enemy lines.

  157. cohenite

    Senile Old Guy

    #2389082, posted on May 24, 2017 at 11:38 am

    OMG:

    “There was considerable controversy around what were the triggers for the initiation of an emergency action. I conclude that the primary trigger was the death or serious injury of a hostage and that there was a secondary trigger, which have a lower threshold of imminent or immediate threat of such events. In my view, those triggers were appropriate.”

    Yes, you are on your own. It is appropriate for the police to wait until someone is injured or killed. As they did in Melbourne.

    Lol; you have to die before you can be rescued.

  158. Terrible. This creep who made the complaint, DarrenB, is symptomatic; how do you fight islam with this mentality prevailing?

    Quislings. They’re always around us and they’re always ready to lower themselves to the occasion.

  159. Infidel Tiger

    #2389089, posted on May 24, 2017 at 11:44 am
    Terrible. This creep who made the complaint, DarrenB, is symptomatic; how do you fight islam with this mentality prevailing?

    In a righteous world his head would be paraded through the town on a pike while a town cryer alerted the good citizens to his deeds.

  160. Rob MW

    Rob – thanks for that Mobile Oil v Victoria (2002) case. Pretty interesting. It is a shame Cotrell probably cannot use it as a defence.

    Welcome Dot.

    The nail murdering attack in Manchester will be a game changer against political and social apathy, as ordained by humanity’s dickless elitist morons, who are more concerned about funding for root canal reassignment.

  161. Senile Old Guy

    Lol; you have to die before you can be rescued.

    I am reminded of a line from Serenity:

    It’s okay to leave them to die.

  162. .

    The police are powerless to protect you, not to punish you.

  163. Stimpson J. Cat

    Your move, Stimp.
    Back later.

    I will but this sort of thinking literally hurts my brain.
    Back after work.
    😁

  164. Infidel Tiger

    Ricky Gervais @rickygervais

    I love how my anti terrorist tweet (which mentions no particular religion) has caused apologists to claim that it’s bigoted. Very telling 🙂

    Ricky gets it.

  165. They had no procedure for undertaking such assessment

    There’s one very big gap in the Coroner’s logic.
    He says Burn “had a clear understanding between the role of an operation and executive officer” which is why she did nothing on the day.
    Yet she failed in her strategic role of executive officer to create those missing procedures.

    Still, she did do a good job of business and commercial management which led her to Telstra Businesswoman of the Year.

  166. Roger

    The police are powerless to protect you, not to punish you.

    NSW Police motto:

    Culpam poena premit comes (Punishment follows closely upon crime)

  167. Stimpson J. Cat

    Well, it started with the Kenyan sponsoring his wildly successful “Arab Spring” regime

    Nope.
    They should have let the Russians have Afghanistan.
    F$cking Yanks want a piece of every pie.
    They are no British Empire.

  168. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie has demanded an apology and the removal of an article from the Quadrant website saying how it would have been better if the Manchester bombing took place in the Q&A studio.

    In an opinion piece posted on the conservative publication’s website last night, online editor Roger Franklin wrote “had there been a shred of justice’’ the Manchester bomber would have blown up Monday’s night’s Q&A panel.

    “This morning, mere hours after (host Tony) Jones’ guests pocketed their ABC taxi vouchers and repaired to hotel rooms paid for with taxpayer dollars processed through the Sydney Writers’ Festival, mere children were torn to pieces on the other side of the world,” Franklin wrote.

    “Life isn’t fair and death less so. Had there been a shred of justice, that blast would have detonated in an Ultimo TV studio. Unlike those young girls in Manchester, their lives snuffed out before they could begin, none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty.’’

    From the Oz,

  169. Chris

    Just photographed moon and star against the faintest beginning of sunrise.
    The moon a shallow cup, its shadowed disk behind;
    you in Perth still in darkness, the light of day over East.

    pete_m request:
    First Light

  170. v_maet

    Bearded man arrested weilding bat and hatchet at the Birmingham memorial for the Manchester victims:
    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15304479.Birmingham_candle_lit_vigil_cut_short_after____armed_man____arrested/

    picture of the perp: http://i.magaimg.net/img/lqt.jpg

  171. Roger

    I will but this sort of thinking literally hurts my brain.
    Back after work.
    😁

    Don’t sweat it.
    It’s all quite simple, really.
    Just consider the law of non-contradiction.
    Every school child used to be taught it until we went all post-modern.

  172. Tintarella di Luna

    Ricky Gervais’ twitter account has come gold: I like this comeback:

  173. If Roger apologizes to that slag I will be royally pissed.

  174. Bruce of Newcastle

    ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie has demanded an apology and the removal of an article from the Quadrant website

    What are they going to do, defund Quadrant?
    Oh wait they did that last year.
    Bad move pussers.

  175. Stimp, Roger’s answer was masterful. If you want more reading on the questions you’ve raised continue here with Feser’s Voluntarism and PSR.

  176. srr;

    Has ANYONE bothered to watch Tommy Robinson’s videos? Read his book?
    It’s not called, “ENEMY of The STATE”, for nothing.

    I bought the book, and read it.
    I very carefully review your links after the last one you put up.
    You don’t have a monopoly here – we can find stuff too.

  177. Senile Old Guy

    Manchester:

    After speeches by officials, people attending the vigil gathered in small groups to talk among themselves. Some students took turns to hug a woman dressed in a burka. “Together. Unified,” Daniel Liptrott, a 45-year-old businessman said when asked how the vigil made him feel. “A single act of terrorism isn’t going to break that.”

    But it is not ‘a single act’: it is one in an on-going, never ending, series of attacks.

  178. Infidel Tiger

    ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie has demanded an apology and the removal of an article from the Quadrant website

    Australia’s elite twitterists and mediaists are more concerned with a hypothetical rather than an actual slaughter.

    Such a frustrating time to be alive. Everyday is a double face palm. We need to take these people to the woodshed.

  179. max

    The nail murdering attack in Manchester will be a game changer against political and social apathy,

    I hope this is so,but the usual excuses and rationalisations are being trotted out on the ABC.

    Hard to tell if the anger has penetrated that fog yet.

  180. Tintarella di Luna

    But it is not ‘a single act’: it is one in an on-going, never ending, series of attacks.

    Well Fiona Scott gives her views about Islamist attack and the murder of Curtis Cheng and the one little incident

  181. johanna

    At first I thought that Michael Barnes is either a complete dill or has been got at, but on reading up on him and thinking more about it, he may be playing a longer game here by construing the issues so narrowly.

    He is avoiding the blame-spreading which so often renders official inquiry results meaningless – everyone is to blame, so nobody is responsible.

    What he is saying is that while all manner of officialdom screwed up along the way (and he details who and how) in the end it comes down to what happened on the day. There were only two players – the police and Monis. Since one can hardly blame the police for Monis’ decision to create a siege at the cafe, he must be held responsible.

    However, he carefully delineates the failures of the police, especially the “you’re on your own, hostages” policy, which was at the crux of the debacle. He has left them in the position of having to defend that policy to the grieving relatives and the public.

    He also cunningly shafted Burn, whom he dismissed as irrelevant window-dressing with no operational role. He pretty much said that her deleted texts are of no consequence, as she was of no consequence on the day.

    Above all, he has avoided the tendency of self-important coroners everywhere to demand sweeping changes to public policy on the strength of a single event. It seems that he does not regard it as the role of a quasi-judicial officer to step outside his job and tell politicians and the public what to do. This is admirable, and I just wish that more of his colleagues did the same.

    I am wondering if he is a lot smarter in a strategic sense than some give him credit for.

  182. Stimpson J. Cat

    By contrast, an extreme voluntarist conception of God would regard him primarily as a Supreme Will, indeed as (you might say) Subsistent Willfulness Itself. On this sort of view, what God wills and does is not ultimately intelligible even in itself, for he is in no sense bound by rationality.

    I like this one.
    This way God is just like me.
    😁

  183. Des Deskperson

    This is the funniest bit about the ABC’s reaction to Roger’s article. From the Grauniad:’

    “The ABC’s national security manager, Jason Alcorn, has written to staff about the Quadrant article and assured them that “proactive steps have been taken to ensure the safety and welfare of all staff and users of ABC Ultimo”.

    “While consideration is given to minimise inconvenience please appreciate that intermittent increased security presence and more rigorous security screening is to ensure staff safety and wellbeing,” Alcorn said.

    “The safety and security of all ABC staff is a shared responsibility, be alert and not alarmed and if you see something unusual or suspicious, use your judgment and report [it].””

  184. .

    Seems like Barnes made an open finding with a lot of barbs and poison pills.

  185. Nick

    Don’t succumb, Quadrant. The sentiment still are spot on

  186. Bruce of Newcastle

    “A single act of terrorism isn’t going to break that.”

    2017 Has Seen a Terror Attack Attempted in Europe Every Nine Days

    That’s just Europe.
    Then there’s the Rotherham type stuff which just keeps happening.

    The no-go zone for women… in PARIS: Locals say they are afraid to leave their home after gangs of ‘migrant men’ threaten them for wearing ‘immodest’ clothing (Monday)

    Women have stopped going to areas in district of Chapelle-Pajol, in eastern Paris
    Young African and Arab migrants have descended on the region in the past year
    One 80-year-old woman claimed to have been sexually assaulted walking home
    Another woman said the cafe underneath her apartment has become ‘men only’

  187. Steve;

    Quislings. They’re always around us and they’re always ready to lower themselves to the occasion.

    I remember reading a book once that stated during WW2, had Germany invaded GB, the amount of Quislings that would take an active part in the administration of the nation would have been double the European average.
    It looks like the same holds true today.

  188. Tintarella di Luna

    So the Lindt cafe siege was no-one’s fault, that Man Monis was out on the streets was no-one’s fault, that the professionals who deal with real terror weren’t called in is no-one’s fault – except Man Monis’.

    We can all be comforted and coddled now, game over– thank you players thank you ball boys.

  189. mh

    Enoch Powell – two big political career events:

    1. Sacked from Britain’s shadow cabinet by Ted Heath. Reason? Warning the British people of the dangers of Britain’s immigration program.
    2. Resigning from the Conservative Party because of the UK’s entry into the European Market.

    Enoch Powell was right.

  190. Mother Lode

    The police are powerless to protect you, not to punish you.

    Indeed. What do most people’s interaction with the police consist of?

    Being pulled over to prove they are not driving drunk.

    Being hit with a fine because they went 105 kph in a 100 kph zone.

    Typing up and filing a report when you have had a crime committed against you – then going back to what they view as police business, which you rudely interrupted.

    That is what it is for most people. And all this in line with policy descending from above.

    But I suppose it could be worse. I could need them to vouchsafe my physical well-being. Hope to God I have my will sorted out before that happens.

  191. john constantine

    All taxfunded bollards should become illegal in Australia.

    The direct use of Bollards of Racism is to send the killers out into the general public, so that the crony and corrupt cowards of the parlimentary class can cower in their elite protected spaces, cower away from the Australia they have deliberately created.

    If our diversity is our strength and safety, how come the cocksuckers make the taxpayer stump up so much money to protect those that caused the problem from the consequences?.

    Pay for your own protection with your own money, scumbags.

  192. Nick

    Besides, why would the ABC be at all worried? After all, Ultimo being attacked is less likely than dying at the hands of a fridge, no?

  193. Sparkx

    Oh for heavens sake, their ALPBC has gone all precious. Shucks.

    “The safety and security of all ABC staff is a shared responsibility, be alert and not alarmed and if you see something unusual or suspicious, use your judgment and report [it].””

    Remember the schtick they dished out when Howard came up with that line?

  194. john constantine

    Their julie bishop-mugabe has said that australia cannot protect everybody, so her crony elite choose to protect themselves by using the children of proles as a meat wall on the wrong side of the bollards.

    The skeleton-that-leaks really can just keep on living her life like nothing will ever go wrong.

  195. srr

    yeah, contrary to the self righteous liars, I am not a fan of Alex Jones, BECAUSE of important facts his show does report on, and so many people fob off, “BECAUSE it was on Alex Jones INFOWARS“.

    That people like Tommy Robinson can bear through Jones bellowing over them, because they understand that Jones does have a huge reach and viewers smart enough to filter through the noise and crap, is just more credit to them.

    Tommy Robinson Retweeted
    HISTROIKA‏ @HISTROIKA 4h4 hours ago

    Neither Alex Jones or Tommy Robinson hold back in this video, rarely seen this type of honesty from public figures.

  196. Tintarella di Luna

    Enoch Powell was right.

    And his Rivers of Blood speech prescient and powerful delivered almost 50 years go in April, 1968 in Birmingham which in some areas is simply unrecognisable

  197. Mark M

    Is anyone at their abc familiar with the boy who called lone wolf?

    Quadrant online editor Roger Franklin laments that Manchester blast was not against ABC

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/quadrant-online-editor-roger-franklin-laments-that-manchester-blast-was-not-against-abc-20170523-gwbreb.html

  198. Leigh Lowe

    But it is not ‘a single act’: it is one in an on-going, never ending, series of attacks.

    Well Fiona Scott gives her views about Islamist attack and the murder of Curtis Cheng and the one little incident

    Poor, sad Fiona.
    She still harbours a hope that she could return as the pergressive (but Moozley friendly) Lieboral candidate for whatever shithole in Western Sydney she represented on the back of Tony Abbott’s demolition job on RGR.
    Tony Abbott was generally an honest bloke but he was certainly telling a deliberate whopper when he tried to pass Mzzz Scott of as having sex appeal.

  199. H B Bear

    “The ABC’s national security manager, Jason Alcorn, has written to staff about the Quadrant article and assured them that “proactive steps have been taken to ensure the safety and welfare of all staff and users of ABC Ultimo”.

    “Circle the water-coolers persons of non-specific gender identities I hear drums beating.”

    Googles is sure fast out of the blocks this time around. Completely MIA when their tame muzzy went off the reservation though.

  200. Infidel Tiger

    OMG.

    Roger Franklin’s column has been referred to the AFP.

  201. v_maet

    Des Deskperson @12:14

    >be alert and not alarmed and if you see something unusual or suspicious, use your judgment and report [it].

    Apparently if you do this you are branded as a bigot: http://news.sky.com/story/manchester-bombing-woman-looked-very-suspicious-before-attack-10889847

  202. Senile Old Guy

    Michelle Malkin:

    For now, everyone knows the sonorous name and cherubic face of 8-year-old Saffie Rose Roussos.
    She’s the littlest known victim of Monday night’s jihad attack in Manchester, England. Her doe-eyed image spread as rapidly across social media as the #PrayForManchester hashtags and Twitter condolences from celebrities. But I guarantee you that beautiful Saffie Rose will evaporate from the memories of those most loudly proclaiming “Never forget” faster than a dewdrop in the desert.
    Look no further for proof of the West’s incurable terror attack amnesia than the reaction to the Manchester massacre. Reporters, politicians and pundits expressed shock at the brutality of Muslim murderers targeting children and young people.

  203. Mother Lode

    I feel giddy.

    Everything I see seems to be closing in then receding, spinning, blurring.

    Have I eaten something bad?

    Have I had some mischievous chemical slipped into my morning tea?

    Have I caught some virus?

    Or…

    Or…

    Do I actually agree with something Morrisey said.

  204. Stimpson J. Cat

    I like this one.
    This way God is just like me.

    Sorry God is a person just like me.
    Don’t want to contradict anyone.
    😁

  205. Tintarella di Luna

    Tony Abbott was generally an honest bloke but he was certainly telling a deliberate whopper when he tried to pass Mzzz Scott of as having sex appeal.

    I think Tony was being hyperbolic at the time — he couldn’t say she was intelligent or insightful and of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and he may have had a vision of a seat in mind.

  206. Senile Old Guy

    Someone gets the last word:

    Asked to comment, Quadrant editor and prominent historian Keith Windschuttle, a former ABC board member, told Fairfax Media, “You’re talking bullshit, don’t call back.”

  207. Bill Thompson

    In the wake of the latest terrorist atrocity du jour, global security commentator, Joe Siracusa, agrees that whatever Western politicians have been doing to address Islamic radicalism, it just hasn’t been working…

    https://youtu.be/kz3qp6em7zE

  208. Bruce of Newcastle

    The ABC needs urgently to put safe spaces on every floor, properly equipped with play dough, fluffy toys and hash cookie vending machines.

  209. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Pointing out her sex appeal was enough to win her the seat. Other aspects were not enough to retain it.

  210. The men are accused of helping to make a video “with the intention of inciting serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of” Muslims on October 4, 2015.

    Whatever happened to ‘inciting violence ‘? Now incitement has been expanded to include everything. I’ll be in court soon enough for inciting Muttley to molest rakes.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    Someone gets the last word:

    Asked to comment, Quadrant editor and prominent historian Keith Windschuttle, a former ABC board member, told Fairfax Media, “You’re talking bullshit, don’t call back.”

    The best way to support Quadrant is of course by subscribing.

  212. John64

    Don’t succumb, Quadrant. The sentiment still are spot on.

    Keith Windschuttle’s already got the response finely tuned:

    Asked to comment, Quadrant editor and prominent historian Keith Windschuttle, a former ABC board member, told Fairfax Media, “You’re talking bullshit, don’t call back.”

    I reckon Google Guthrie and Fewfacts might be doing Quadrant a favour. They could get another 500 subscriptions out of this.

  213. johanna

    What hypocrites they are at TheirABC.

    They use our money to bump up their own security, while promoting views that put the rest of us at risk. Then they get all huffy when someone calls them on it.

    Go, Roger! Take a leaf from Bill Leak’s book, and ignore their wailings.

    But, I don’t need to tell you that. 🙂

  214. Senile Old Guy

    The best way to support Quadrant is of course by subscribing.

    Good point. I have my form for renewal waiting.

  215. I reckon Google Guthrie and Fewfacts might be doing Quadrant a favour. They could get another 500 subscriptions out of this.

    It’s good timing seeing as their funding was cut a year ago so people who took out a subscription then in support now need to renew.

  216. In the wake of the latest terrorist atrocity du jour, global security commentator, Joe Siracusa, agrees that whatever Western politicians have been doing to address Islamic radicalism, it just hasn’t been working…

    Siracusa, a favourite of the Trump hating ABC, was nevertheless right on the money in his advice that the “softly, softly” policy was never going to work. It certainly shocked Trioli & Rowlands.

    Piers Morgan also had some powerful words to say today, arguing that the gloves must come off:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534558/PIERS-MORGAN-refuse-believe-knew-ANYTHING.html

  217. Julian Burnside is an utter fuckwit.

    Factcheck status: True

  218. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone know if Triggsy and Soutphommasane have gotten involved in the Great Quadrant Scandal yet?
    Maybe give them a call, in case they feel left out.

  219. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #2389138, posted on May 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm
    OMG.

    Roger Franklin’s column has been referred to the AFP.

    This is an example of the stuff I was trying to get through to some of you last night. The “discrimination” and sedition laws have to go, along with metadata.

    Fighting terrorism has nothing to do with these, least of all the “security” measures.

  220. Stimpson J. Cat

    The best way to support Quadrant is of course by subscribing.

    I have no choice.
    I have to subscribe now.
    I was only holding off because of that ethnic racist Shaddup Your Face song.

  221. john constantine

    Why is their abc entitled to squander taxpayer dollars to protect themselves from a situation they have created for themselves?.

    Why aren’t returning isis rape jihadis sent to work at their abc as cleaners and gardeners? that way they could learn proper abc-jihadism.

    If all you need is love, how come the abc get bollards as well?.

  222. Police did not rescue one hostage, they all escaped under their own steam.

    Zulu, allow me to fix that for you:
    Police did not rescue one hostage, most escaped under their own steam.
    After giving them 17 hours to free themselves, the police then entered the café and shot every hostage who’d been unable to escape.

  223. .

    Might have to subscribe to the Quaddie.

    Free speech – it is sacred!

  224. John64

    Quadrant Online has gone into meltdown.

    Reckon their comments section must be drowning in leftist abuse.

  225. Senile Old Guy

    Piers Morgan also had some powerful words to say today, arguing that the gloves must come off:

    But he also repeats the usual lie:

    These Muslim terrorists are hijacking the peaceful faith of Islam for nefarious reasons to justify their violent actions.

    There is a reason Muslims use Islam to justify their actions: it does.

  226. Message:
    You’re on your own
    Find your own way out of a hostage situation,
    otherwise the police will come in and shoot you.

  227. Tintarella di Luna

    Infidel Tiger
    #2389138, posted on May 24, 2017 at 12:25 pm
    OMG.

    Roger Franklin’s column has been referred to the AFP.

    It’ll come to nothing – but maybe we’ll be able to find out the Australian Christian Lobby lobby blower-upper

  228. Tracey

    Is anybody able to access the Quadrant site? I just read The Australian’s article re Ms Guthrie being somewhat vexed by Roger Franklin wielding the clue bat and now find Quadrant out for count. Hopefully a coincidence?

  229. Leigh Lowe

    I have taken a passing interest in the Lindt siege inquest report and haven’t read it yet, but two things struck me about the Police Union response …
    (1) They made a big deal of having a crack at the DPP for not appealing the bail decision, but tip-toe around the judges/magistrates who made the decision. If the decision was manifestly wrong, the first person in the gun is surely the one who made the decision, not the one who failed to appeal it. Softcocks.
    (2) They also ran some sob story about the SOGGIES ringing their loved ones to say goodbye before they entered the café. Now, I don’t blame those on the frontline at all, but that story sounds like bullshit and/or leadership incompetence.
    Firstly, when did they make their “last minute” goodbye calls? When Johnson was on his knees? When the shotty went off? The night before? Their entry to the café was not planned, it was based on the contingency of Monis taking action, so how and why would they be making those calls just prior?
    Secondly, what commander of a counter-terrorism squad who is looking for a totally committed and focused operation in five minutes time allows his charges to have an emotional phone call to the wife and kids?

  230. srr

    Oh please Winston, enough.

    Winston Smith
    #2389110, posted on May 24, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    srr;

    Has ANYONE bothered to watch Tommy Robinson’s videos? Read his book?
    It’s not called, “ENEMY of The STATE”, for nothing.

    I bought the book, and read it.
    I very carefully review your links after the last one you put up.
    You don’t have a monopoly here – we can find stuff too.

    Now do you care to comment on importance of the content of that book? At all?

    Yes, you can all look up stuff, and yet there seems little time for that, with all the bitching about those who do look up and share, what quiet readers do pop in to give thanks for.

    And while we’re at it, I have never claimed any sort of monopoly here, but rather, lamented those who habitually jump in to bitch about lots of hot issues being posted at all, while they aren’t about being payed to play narrative controlling gatekeepers.

    Maybe we should switch the conversation to why Jimmy Savile had such a jolly good time being free to roam Hospitals as a respected V.I.P. and why no medical professionals joined together to destroy him and his associates … 😡

  231. Is anybody able to access the Quadrant site? I just read The Australian’s article re Ms Guthrie being somewhat vexed by Roger Franklin wielding the clue bat and now find Quadrant out for count. Hopefully a coincidence?

    I have no doubt that it’s getting slammed by all the traffic. I saved the article in question to Word in case it gets taken down.

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