Identity politics and objective truth clash

Over recent years there has been a disturbing growth in identity politics – where people identify as part of a group: female, Islamic, LGBTI, Indigenous, African-American, child abuse victims and so forth. And these groups become the focus of campaigning for special rights, benefits, targets and to share in some victim status against the ‘privileged’ not part of such a group. Members of these groups consider membership of the group far more important than broad humanity or their country.

This has turned on its head Martin Luther King’s dream

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Members of these groups most assuredly do not wish to be judged by the content of their character, but by the nature of the group affiliation.

And then we have postmodernism, relativism and the move away from objective truth – that ‘truths’ from these ‘disadvantaged’ groups are right whereas those from the ‘privileged’ mainstream are wrong. Or that an assertion of identity, no matter how ludicrous, must be accepted.

If you identify as an Indigenous Australia, you are an Indigenous Australian. If you identify as LGBTI, you are LGBTI. If you identify as female, you are female, irrespective of the actual truth.

ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie has confirmed this at Senate Estimates. In questions from Pauline Hanson and John Williams, Guthrie said that anyone who claims to be Indigenous can apply for the ABC’s Indigenous-only jobs.

That just means that those jobs will be filled by one of three types of people: actual Indigenous Australians, liars and the deluded.

The ABC should fill its positions by merit, not by identity. So should all Government agencies. We want our Police and Defence personnel to be able to project force, not be filled with quotas of various identity groupings.

One can only hope that this madness will eventually die from its own contradictions. If we can be any identity we choose, then ultimately people will self select into groups which have the most privileges.

Then we may finally go back to the Enlightenment principles of merit, excellence and striving for the common good.

Greg Sheridan has expressed this well in today’s Australian.

This is all madness. The whole thrust of liberalism in the 20th century was to abolish all civic distinctions arising out of race, culture or inheritance. Your father may have been a beast, but you start with a clean slate. Your father may have been a prince, but you must establish your own character through your actions. Neither virtue nor vice, or any kind of civic distinction, goes to one citizen over another on the basis of race.

Maybe one can be everything? I am Anglo-Saxon and Indigenous. I am homosexual and hetrosexual. I am male and female and transgender. I am a person of colour and of no colour. I am Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Jedi, Buddhist; a Theist and an Atheist. I have disabilities yet no disabilities.  I have multiple personalities in the one body. And I am dead and I am alive. I have been born and are yet unborn. I am carbon based or silicon based. Who am I? What am I?

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49 Responses to Identity politics and objective truth clash

  1. stackja

    Australia like the world has let the ‘inmates’ run the ‘asylum’.

  2. jupes

    Who am I? What am I?

    Well normally you are an idiot, but in this case you have written a good post. Well done.

  3. jupes

    In questions from Pauline Hanson and John Williams, Guthrie said that anyone who claims to be Indigenous can apply for the ABC’s Indigenous-only jobs.

    That would have irked the cloth-eared bint to be questioned by Pauline Hanson.

  4. gbees

    “In questions from Pauline Hanson and John Williams, Guthrie said that anyone who claims to be Indigenous can apply for the ABC’s Indigenous-only jobs.”

    That’s fine …. I can identify as a female, indigenous, disabled person so I’m a shoe in for the job. No one can challenge me on that otherwise I’ll take them to the court with the backing of the Aust Human Rights Commission.

    The world has definitely gone mad …

  5. A Lurker

    There is a quote I like by Marcus Tullius Cicero, and it goes like this…

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

    Trouble is, although wise Cicero said that a nation can survive its fools and the ambitious; identity politics draws to itself both the fools and the ambitious, creating in the end, a Traitor Class, a nest of termites who, in their quest for wealth, power and influence, ceaselessly work against Australia and Australians.

    We know who the traitors are in Australia because so many of them sit on Government benches in Parliament House; occupy positions of authority in Education and Universities, Law Courts and organisations like the AHRC; are talking heads on radio, television, newspapers and other media outlets; and occupy positions of power in business.

    Then we may finally go back to the Enlightenment principles of merit, excellence and striving for the common good.

    Unlikely in our lifetime. This will be our grandchildren’s battle.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    How would we be if Orwell hadn’t written Animal Farm and 1984?
    The former being particularly apt to this discussion.

    In identity politics the special people, once they gain power, so often use that power to persecute others whom they dislike. They become more equal than the rest.

    By contrast in a liberal democracy when all are equal before the law it is much harder to keep power, then use it in that way. And if power is temporary you are less likely to commit such acts lest the next guy does it to you. So most of the persecution we see comes from illiberal societies and ideologies.

    I’m sad that our democracy is rapidly becoming an illiberal one.

  7. hzhousewife

    It all started when we told our kids that they could be whatever they wanted to be.

  8. cui bono

    Their push for Constitutional Recognition may well turn out to be their Retreat from Moscow.

  9. Mundi

    A better question is how the fuck they can be allowed to have “indigenous only” jobs and if or not she thinks its racist.

  10. Diogenes

    One of my students showed me this (yes they see it as ridiculous as well)…

    I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

    Apache the Helisexual

  11. Roger

    It all started when we told our kids that they could be whatever they wanted to be.

    No; as inane as that sentiment is it has nothing to do with identity politics. Identity politics puts Critical Theory into practice. Critical theory developed in Frankfurt in the 1930s as a theory of cultural revolution, i.e. revolution not by armed insurrrection but by subversion of the dominant culture from within Identity politics sets real and perceived minority groups against the dominant culture in the attempt to subvert the cultural norms of that culture and bring it down from within. This is also what same sex marriage is about.

  12. Stan

    You, me and Donald Trump are all on the same page.

  13. Gerry

    We have forgotten the intrinsic value of being a human being and so we strive to add something to ourselves so we can feel special. We need to listen to Prem Rawat who has spent his life travelling around the world reminding us of the beauty of being human and that we are complete already. We don’t need to be something extra.

  14. Jessie

    Keith Windschuttle’s continues to do the hard yard research and is excellent bringing to the public’s attention issues of national sovereignty.
    Much of Windschuttle’s thesis was/is based on a long history of whitewashed speakers.

    Geoff McDonald’s book (Veritas Publishing 1982) Red over Black is a must read.
    see around 19minutes re ‘racism’

    and this found today
    Jeremy Lee An Answer to Slander

  15. Some History

    I am Anglo-Saxon and Indigenous. I am homosexual and hetrosexual. I am male and female and transgender. I am a person of colour and of no colour. I am Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Jedi, Buddhist; a Theist and an Atheist. I have disabilities yet no disabilities. I have multiple personalities in the one body. And I am dead and I am alive. I have been born and are yet unborn. I am carbon based or silicon based. Who am I? What am I?

    A blathering mess? Am I close?

  16. ned

    Roger
    #2390259, posted on May 25, 2017 at 9:05 am
    “Critical theory developed in Frankfurt in the 1930s as a theory of cultural revolution”

    +10

    The Origins of Political Correctness
    https://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

    The New Totalitarianism

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2007/01/keith-preston/the-new-totalitarianism/

    The Purpose of Political Correctness
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/12/thomas-dilorenzo/real-purpose-pc/

  17. struth

    Now understand cultural marxism from the frankfurt school to know this is a planned strategy and implemented in our schools where it all starts .

    The left have many divisions in their army against freedom and the cultural marxists in our schools are their crack squads.

    Better than usual with this post , Luscious.

    B-

  18. Me? I’m otherkin as well as being transgender and transracial.

    I identify as a grey female gerbil, and my preferred gender pronoun is either ying-piddle-tong-yong-yong, or Your Majesty, depending on the circumstances.

  19. Dr Fred Lenin

    Never mind Cats. When they achieve their aim of one world unelected communist/soros government “using” the islamofascists and queers. and make the west a huge EU dictatorship their muslim allies will not go back to shagging goats as they cleverly think , their .”clever plan”will come unstuck as left plans always do , I can just see snowcone ,guthrie, triggs etc, grovelling in the mosque as the illiterate peasant mussos wipe their feet on the fools . Justice Poetique .!

  20. yarpos

    It could also be its not as one extreme or the other as the writer makes out. Perhaps our society has reached a stage where people feel able to speak up about past wrong and not sweep them under the carpet for others convenience.

    For sure there will be , and are I think, people who just leap on the bandwagon and find a cause that will off course require compensation. However just because someone has something to say , they shouldnt be dumped conveniently into the identity politics bucket.

  21. Snoopy

    This post is made for Libby Zee. Where is he?

  22. Zipster the leftoid torturemeister

    Leftism is a mental illness.

  23. Roger

    Leftism is a mental illness.

    That absolves them.

    It’s a choice.

  24. Adam d

    Thanks Mundi

    I sometimes think I am the crazy one as no one seems to notice the outright racism

  25. Norman Church

    Most have little idea of the source or purpose of identity politics. A depressingly large percentage of the population subscribe to the Clem Ford notion that political correctness is just about being nice to people. So, if you’re not PC, then you believe in being vile to people. That’s the level of reasoning at work.

    Allied to this point is that identity politics can be used (and, indeed, is being used) by various groups to gain an advantage over others. Naturally, this can be rationalised on Marxist grounds. And there has not been a single group in history which could not justify the structural advantages they enjoyed at the expense of others.

    I have previously remarked that the concept of advancement on merit was the crowning achievement of modern liberal democracies along with equality before the law. A strict commitment to the concept of merit has made so many other things possible. It is a tragedy that we have surrendered a bedrock principle of this nature with barely a whimper.

    In the final analysis, one either believes in the essential dignity and worth of individuals or one believes that their lives, dreams and hopes are merely play-things that are able to be sacrificed for the ‘greater good’ in an exercise of social engineering. It is a simple litmus test of morality and decency.

  26. cynical1

    Who am I? What am I?

    Depends who is getting the most freebies today, I guess.

  27. calli

    I identify as an angry refrigerator. About to Google an address in Ultimo.

  28. struth

    Identity politics is collectivist politics.

    Grouping people based on anything other than merit or individual attributes.
    You are either a collectivist or an individualist.

    Only a collectivist can be a racist.
    It is impossible for an individualist to be one.

    If people put themselves in a collective to fight individualism, only then must individualists collectivise to fight it,
    and hence we have the term “Herding cats”.

  29. John64

    The ABC should fill its positions by merit, not by identity.

    Your Honour, I present Exhibit A – Ms Yassmin Abdel-Magied

  30. Tim Neilson

    I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

    I’d like to see a middle class pinko try to explain why this is stupider than “Caitlyn Jenner”.

  31. the Enlightenment principles of merit, excellence and striving for the common good.

    Enlightenment principle of ‘striving for the common good’? The Enlightenment is renowned for denying any such thing. I’ll also say that the ancient and medieval world recognized and rewarded merit and excellence when they saw it and they have the art, architecture, etc. to prove it.

  32. Bad Samaritan

    John64 (10.38am). I’d be interested in your considered view on why……really why….YAM or Waleed Ali have no “out and proud” Buddhist or Sikh or Hindu counterparts on the ABC. What do you think it is?

  33. Dr Fred Lenin

    Help abolish racism ,dismantle all aboriginal migrant,feminite, gay and shooman rites taxpayer funded crime groups , free the people from global communist fascism and religous enemies of individual freedom , Defunding eliminates socialist fascism ,Do it Now !

  34. Robber Baron

    Vote for Pauline. You know its racist to do so.

  35. John64

    Why….YAM or Waleed Ali have no “out and proud” Buddhist or Sikh or Hindu counterparts on the ABC. What do you think it is?

    Because TheirABC believes that Muslims are victims of racism by white Australia.

  36. Rococo Liberal

    Real racism is now only practised by very few people. It is the same with sexism, homophobia or any of the other forms of bigotry that the left are always harping on about.
    The thing is that the remaining instances of the bigotries occur across all groups in society. But the left, in the folk-marxist tradition, only believes that the bigotries are a problem where they are tools used by the privileged to oppress the victim groups.
    In eality the only way that the left can find systemic bigotry is by the specious use of statistics as to the outcome achieved by various groups. First they jiggle the stats to ensure that there is ”an unequal outcome,” then they tell us that only sexism, racism homophobia or the like can be the cause of that inequality.
    The next point is that the left always ignores culture. The fact that a lot of straight people may not like gay subculture whilst having no animus against gays as individuals is irrelevant to the left. For them if you dislike the idea of something, you also hate the person who holds that idea.
    And isn’t the way the left use the schoolyard word ”hate” really annoying?
    So the point is that the left doesn’t really want bigotry to end. It will keep finding more instances of the non-PC crimes and more examples of how the victim groups are oppressed. This serves to give the left power without actually having any real talent or the ability to engage in hard stuff lie inventing things and (gasp horro) selling things.

  37. Bad Samaritan

    John64 (11.33am) I was hoping for more than that. Something which might explain why the ABC doesn’t regard Sikhs or Buddhists or Hindus (recall that Aussies were supposed to be racists killing loads of Indians a few years back) as in need of airtime as Muslims are.

    I thought, when I read your comment on YAM, that you might have a theory why her , but not some girl from Bombay too. Cheers.

  38. Fulcrum

    I can see the problem

    I am one of 8 billion individuals on this planet and despite the hard sell on diversity, I sense that no political group,pressure group or faction on the left, right or centre is truely interested in my rights or the rights of my friends.
    An infinitesimal number of people seem to get their rights promoted day in and day out, which by my calculation, leaves about 8 billion wondering about their rights.

  39. john constantine

    Their left are revolting against the idea that there ever was an Australian culture.

    Their globalist, transnational Stalinists simply see that criminals [all settlers, not just convicts] theived the wealth of the country, then pretended to have a culture so they could keep what they stole.

    There never were pioneers settling the Australian frontier, just thieves and racist rapists creating a crime scene.

    The distinctions and discipline that enabled Anglosphere pioneers to carry a culture with solid fundemental organising principles with them are targetted to be toppled by their left.

    Gender infinity and balkanisation are just weapons to topple the dominos of the Anglospheres legacy colonial influence by destroying its ability to organise a society with strong foundations.

    Once the revolution has crushed the free living peoples, then the unsound will be purged until the revolution purifies itself.

  40. struth

    The individual is the smallest and most persecuted minority in Australia.

  41. Driftforge

    The whole thrust of liberalism in the 20th century was to abolish all civic distinctions arising out of race, culture or inheritance.

    Turns out this was madness.

  42. Jupes @0752 says it all for me
    +10

  43. Des Deskperson

    There is a case for affirmative action when it is correlated with disadvantage.

    The APS has basically two affirmative action programs, both targeting Indigenous Australians.

    The traineeships are largely aimed at disadvantaged young people. They are largely successful in that they integrate marginalised people into the workforce. Here, affirmative action has had seem success.

    The graduate programme, on the other hand, targets indigenous graduates, people who have already had access to resources that gave them an educational advantage. They are almost always the offspring of middle class, urban Aborigines. Some of them have the smarts that would have enabled them to be recruited without special programmes. Others fall well below the standards of non-Indigenous grads, but agencies take then anyway because it improves their diversity profile.

    And seeking of filling positions by merit, by far the largest, most extensive and longest official affirmative action programme ever implemented by the APS was preference for returned servicemen in recruitment and promotion, initiated in WW1 and still on the books in the late seventies.

    Some of these people deserved it and some didn’t, but the programme over all was widely and officially criticised as a drain on efficiency and effectiveness.

  44. Norman Church

    For every person on the receiving end of positive discrimination, there is another person who has been discriminated against.

    So, to Des Deskperson, let’s get down to the nitty gritty. Do you support a marginalised Caucasian or, say, Asian kid from an extremely poor background who has struggled to place himself in a position where he can apply for a traineeship being denied a potentially life changing position simply because he or she is not of the correct race? Based on your comments, I would assume that you agree that this outcome is appropriate or at least acceptable.

    I am not sure how these sort of quotas are morally defensible. Perhaps one needs to subscribe to the view that anybody white (not sure how Asians fit into PC theory) is, by definition, ‘privileged’ and therefore deserves to be pushed aside for others whose hopes and aspirations are deemed to be more worthy. In other words, the poor white or Asian kid should just suck it up and accept that his or her life aspirations are properly seen as expendable in the interests of what others have designated as the ‘greater good’.

  45. john constantine

    The decolonialisation process calls for the replacement of obsolete and deplorable Australians with culturally appropriate decolonialisation revolutionary cadres.

    Unspoken is the statistical indication that whenever an organisation increases its diversity quotas it has to cull Wild Colonial Boys to make room.

    Or create make-work jobs.

  46. .

    I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “Apache” and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can’t accept me you’re a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.

    Holy shit this is good.

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