You do the math

Number of conservative political magazines in Australia with Quadrant: one.

Number of conservative political magazines in Australia without Quadrant: zero.

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56 Responses to You do the math

  1. Oh come on

    Influence of political magazines on the national discourse: miniscule and shrinking.

  2. Dr Faustus

    Unarguable.

    The ABC comprehensively trumped Roger Franklin’s angry-piece (as far as anybody really noticed). Quadrant management and stakeholders probably need to learn from the experience, rather than facilitate a left-wing cultural victory by eviscerating the publication.

  3. Michael Muscat

    I paid $300 for a Quadrant subscription. Their website doesn’t even work properly. The articles are not that interesting to read. Now it’s clear their editorial policy will be dictated to them by the loudest screamer on the ABC et. al. They have already surrendered.

    To which I state: There are already zero conservative political magazines in Australia. Conservatism has lost all meaning and purpose, it has failed to conserve anything of value for 50 years. A stronger idea is needed. One that doesn’t apologise.

  4. Nerblnob

    Is there a credible threat of legal action against Quadrant?

    If, not, the ABC tantrum is inconsequential.

  5. Jannie

    Miniscule and shrinking as outraged ‘conservatives’ cancel their subscriptions in protest at Quadrant’s timidity.

  6. Fisky

    Steve Kates – who cares? No one reads Quadrant. It will make no difference if it disappears. All the action is on Twitter and social media.

  7. Fisky

    I don’t want to be (too much) disrespectful to Quadrant. I used to subscribe years ago, under the McGuinness reign. It’s a good mag that has played an important role in keeping Australia non-commie. But the era of little boutique print-journals is over. Social media is the main game now.

  8. Driftforge

    Suspected Number of conservative political magazines in Australia before Quadrant folded: one.

    Confirmed Number of conservative political magazines in Australia after Quadrant folded: zero.

    They already made the choice to fold. Time to find a live horse.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Yep. The war is fought on social media now.

  10. Infidel Tiger

    One good right wing meme or viral Facebook post will change more minds than a thousand years of Quadrant back issues.

  11. C.L.

    Social media is the main game now.

    Um, no. The main game is the big traditional TV media; they’re the ones whose pathological warfare against anything libertarian or conservative or Christian or “right-wing” makes it close to impossible to realise either electoral majorities or efficacious reforms in their train.

    Thus, the germane conclusions are not …

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia with Quadrant: one.

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia without Quadrant: zero.

    … but rather:

    Number of conservative networks in Australia: none.

    Number of leftist networks in Australia: all of them

    .

  12. Fisky

    Um, no. The main game is the big traditional TV media;

    Hardly anyone watches TV nowadays.

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia with Quadrant: one.

    We’ll find out – so far I’m not convinced.

    I urge everyone to keep Quadrant conservative by subscribing and keep sending in messages of support for Roger.

  14. Awake

    I vaguely remember reading that there’s a drop in advertising on traditional TV and a sharp increase on online advertising. I take that to mean that companies are seeing the internet to become the primary place to reach consumers.

    So , I agree the internet is where the action is or will be. However, I heard that facebook and tweeter are biased against the conservatives, shutting down accounts in the U.S., like those of Milo and Vox day, which they deem too much on the right.

    So I guess you better have your own site.

    The thing is

  15. Fisky

    So , I agree the internet is where the action is or will be. However, I heard that facebook and tweeter are biased against the conservatives, shutting down accounts in the U.S., like those of Milo and Vox day, which they deem too much on the right.

    Twitter is not perfect, but overall it is a platform where the Left get run down like a queue at a Nice ice-cream van. It’s just brutal what happens to those poor idiots on there. Any regular with some sparring practice at the Cat should get a Twitter account immediately.

  16. Nerblnob

    Quadrant is online, only way I read it.

    It’s a well set-up website and a great source of (mostly) rational and properly researched articles for your Twitter or other social media links.

  17. Entropy

    Social media needs articles to base arguments around.
    Dont need a magazine to do that though. So if Quadrant wants my sub, it needs to keep Roger, admit they were wrong to pull the article, and repost it.

  18. Combine Dave

    I urge everyone to keep Quadrant conservative by subscribing and keep sending in messages of support for Roger.

    Wise words!

  19. Spider

    The points probably been made but I wonder what the ABCs reaction would be if Krauss had said exactly what he said on Q&A post the bombing and in direct response to a question about he Manchester bombing.

    Would their response had been the same?

  20. A Lurker

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia with Quadrant: one.

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia without Quadrant: zero.

    So what?
    Create another.
    Set up a website and encourage submissions from all and sundry (vetted of course so that all abide by Conservative or Libertarian values). Also, ask for guest submissions from existing Conservative and Libertarian bloggers – unpaid at first to get the online journal going. Then ask for donations. Later, when you have sufficient funds, go print with reimbursement to authors.

    Surely there are enough retired, or semi-retired literary or academic or business types around (points a finger at the Cats) who would have the knowledge, network and contacts to get this up and running.

    Come on guys, it’s not rocket science.

  21. cynical1

    Is there a credible threat of legal action against Quadrant?

    If, not, the ABC tantrum is inconsequential.

    No, it’s not, because it showed just how gutless,PC and scared of upsetting the totalitarian “Progressive” movement Quadrant is.

    What does it say when the great M.Court can have the piss taken out of her by a fat,ugly, lesbian with pink hair, and Marg is the nutty one?

    It’s non stop grovelling and we are now at the stage were we apologise for making certain people slaughter us.

    Every small battle lost weakens the defences.

  22. v_maet

    There is Spectator Australia however quadrant is more focused

  23. Siltstone

    When someone like Kowtow Cater decides to run the show then Quadrant cannot have much hope of lasting.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Yes, a Guernsey for Spectator too please.

    Social media is of course important. Commenting (or even just dong a ‘like’) on sites such as Bolt, Blair, Telegraph, Australian, and even leftie sites (till you are axed) has a wide reach and is likely very constructive too. Facebook, Twitter, I leave to others. Don’t have time or inclination to go there.

    Plus Catallaxy is going from strength to strength and could be a platform for more.

  25. johanna

    Quadrant sure has a lot of fair-weather friends.

    Never mind decades of fighting the good fight, ye have sinned and will now be cast out forever!

    I agree that Windschuttle, and especially Kenny, pooed their pants in public. In doing so, they hung Roger out to dry. (How’s that for mixed metaphors!)

    But we don’t really know what happened behind the scenes, and I for one will reserve judgement until it becomes clear whether or not the Board stands behind Roger, and he agrees to continue. If they don’t, and he doesn’t, I’m gone.

  26. Baldrick

    Number of kowtowing conservative political magazines that will genuflect to the Leftard fake news media industry in Australia with Quadrant: one

    It fixes it.

  27. marcus w

    I subscribe to Quadrant so I can carry a paper copy with me to start conversations . It confronts the lefties that someone can be so “openly” conservative in this day and age , most have never met one and they want to hate me but I am nice as pie and smile a lot , it confuses them .. Thanks Quadrant .

  28. john constantine

    Their left subsidises the creation of Stalinist memes through the university sector.

    What easy meme generator do the free living folk have to use?.

    We see the memewar unleashed upon Abbottbeast and the treacherous bishop [b] when it suited their turnfailure, but where is the rallying point now?.

    Like having a sleazy photo from the Lord of the Rings, with shorten done up as ‘shorten wormtongue’ whenever he takes his standard sleazy focus grouped smear at the country.

  29. Fulcrum

    Why we need a informed and balanced view :-

    https://youtu.be/OK6ixvKxw7E

  30. Number of “s”s at the end of the Australian term maths: 1
    Number in this heading: 0

    Quadrant has a lot of quality contributors but for a long time to come readers like me will be saying “so what” to every intelligent article.

    I’ll keep reading. They better not dump Roger though.

  31. Nerblnob

    Does anyone know what made them so scared all of a sudden?

    How can they be threatened by the ABC? Lawfare? On what basis?

  32. Iampeter

    Yep Steve I’m going to echo a lot of the sentiment here: so what if there’s no Quadrant? It’s impact and relevance are virtually non-existent. Even on this issue where they had an amazing opportunity with nationational visibility to demonstrate how evasive everyone is being re terrorism, they folded so quickly lol.

    Conservatives have bigger problems than lack of magazines, social media or whatever, because they have no ideas. Without that they have nothing to fight for.

    Its why we’re witnissing the hilarious annihilation of Trump in America over made up Russia nonsense, but they couldn’t turn the very real crimes of Hillary into anything that would stick, they don’t really know why they should care.

  33. one old bruce

    “Hardly anyone watches TV nowadays.”

    Mature swinging voters, the ones whose votes decide the outcomes of elections, of retirement age, watch and listen to ABC religiously.

    They change their minds sometimes which is why they are so important. They like Malcolm Turnbull mostly, they liked Rudd at first but changed their minds, stuff like that is at the core of our election process now.

    Silly young people are rusted on Greenies so they don’t count.

  34. Gilas

    Excellent comments on the same problem in the other thread:

    Quadrant Couldn’t Have Timed Things Any Worse

  35. David

    Quadrant’s impact on the culture? Probably as near to zero without actually being zero.

    Quadrant’s impact on the culture wars of the past 50 years? Probably zero; perhaps even negative.

    Quadrant’s impact on converting leftists to some sembalance of rationality? Probably zero.

    Quardrant merely preaches to the choir. If Quadrant disappears the culture will not notice.

    Quadrant had a chance to publically represent the values that they are supposedly advocating for. They finally had a chance to become known outside of the choir and be part of a public debate in which many people would find out about its existence.

    I subscribed solely so that there was funding for a voice in the wilderness. However that voice has no stomach for the fight when called to fight. If it can’t fight when it holds all the winning cards then it certainly won’t fight the tough fights.

    Tell me again why there is any point to subscribing to a conservative publication such as Quadrant? Tell me again why I should just again except a betrayal from yet another of those who claim to be in the fight. I am sick and tired of being told to accept betrayals because there is no other choice. Stop retreating.

    As it stands the Catallaxy Files blog does far more good than Quadrant.

  36. My sub will depend upon how the Board responds to Roger.

  37. Vicki

    One good right wing meme or viral Facebook post will change more minds than a thousand years of Quadrant back issues.

    This is the point that Jordan Peterson has made. The Canadian professor (the one who has strenuously opposed the gender identity politics in the universities) was astonished at the popularity of his UTUBE lectures & opinion pieces. They are now a major feature of his work.

    Incidentally, I strongly recommend them – he is an impressive thinker & the epitome of fearless defence of free speech.

  38. Rebel with cause

    A different take is that the article achieved its intention and there is little purpose to continue to host it on Quadrant’s website.

    For those saying that they are glad to see Quadrant go because ‘social media is where the action is’, it isn’t a binary choice.

    For years ‘conservatives’ have been elected to parliament while conservatives have deserted every significant medium of cultural influence. Is it any wonder that the conservatives in parliament don’t stand their ground?

  39. BTW, I think people are being a little ridiculous expecting a single magazine to influence the culture, or to convert their opponents, and so on. Magazines are not their to do that. A magazine like Quadrant serves a number of purposes: (i) to persuade people sympathetic to conservatism/ classical liberalism of the cogency of this or that position; (ii) to provide a forum for discussion for people that already are conservative or classically liberal; (iii) to help thinkers in these traditions hone their arguments; and (iv) to transmit these traditions to classical liberals and conservatives.

    Quadrant certainly assisted me, under the editorship of Paddy McGuinness, in my intellectual development. Who else in the Australian press has published Teichmann’s critque of Singer, of Oderberg’s criticism of relativism, Windschuttle’s work against Reynolds and academic aboriginal history, Franklin’s magnificent essays on mathematics, the Australian philosophy, the Sydney Push, or Melleuish’s essays on the History Wars? Not a single one.

  40. Roger

    Reading Quadrant, then edited by Peter Coleman, as a 19 y.0.. made me question and finally jettison Leftism. I haven’t subscribed for years – I think the overall quality has gone down despite the litany of signal pieces dover mentions – but I do pick up a copy at the newsagent these days if there’s an article that particularly interests me. I’d like to see it survive in its niche but perhaps it’s time for a new, younger editor and board?

  41. incoherent rambler

    Betrayal (even if it was just one goat), is beyond my tolerance.

    Trumble will never get my vote because of his betrayal of a sitting PM.

    Quadrant will never get my dollar (or cent) because of its betrayal of RF and free speech.

    I hope something better arises from the ashes.
    Ashes their will be in both cases, I pray.

  42. Hydra

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia with Quadrant: one.

    Number of conservative political magazines in Australia without Quadrant: zero.

    Your best post in about 2 years, Steve.

  43. Andre Lewis

    Not true – The Spectator Australia!

  44. True Aussie

    What does Quadrant offer that I cannot get from blogs?

  45. RobK

    ” I agree that Windschuttle, and especially Kenny, pooed their pants in public. In doing so, they hung Roger out to dry. (How’s that for mixed metaphors!).”
    Potpourri springs to mind.

  46. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray

    Your definition of ‘conservative’ seems overly strict. I would class IPA Review as conservative, and I read it.
    David, you will be surprised to know that old copies of Quadrant, which I leave lying around the office, do interest people who have never come across conservative ideas presented so reasonably. I don’t know if people have been converted on the spot, but it does leave them thinking about lots of issues in a new light.

  47. Libby Zee

    Quadrant circulation/buyers/subscribers per month: 6,000+
    Cats who will cancel their subscription over areff-gate: ?
    – Select one of:

    a) 0 b) 6 c) 16 d) 26 e) 36

  48. Rabz

    #wedontneednovogonpoetry

  49. hzhousewife

    What does Quadrant offer that I cannot get from blogs?

    Maintenance of your concentration span, at the very least.

  50. NewChum

    BTW, I think people are being a little ridiculous expecting a single magazine to influence the culture, or to convert their opponents,

    Mark Steyn proves you wrong. He has the capability to single handledly change entire laws and culture with it. He is a one man content and free speech fighting machine. And people line up to support him.

    Also see Milo Y. I’m not a fan but it shows what one single person can do.

    The sort of thinking that says the dusty black and white journal era will have any impact going forward is nill.

    Anyone can create a blog or YouTube channel and start changing minds. There’s no money it but it’s not like Quadrant is a cash cow. Instead of fighting to save the last dry journal, why aren’t people asking how to make some idiotic lefty rag the last one of its kind?

    Playing defence for thirty years and we are arguing about the last remaining remnant. Some fight.

    Conservatism failed to conserve anything. The replacements are already on the way and will win, because they disavow the right for leftist thinking to even exist in society. They see leftist politicians and enablers quite correctly for the murderers they are. Importing and home growing a growing chunk of people who will kill you happily- all leftist policies. All preventable and reversible.

    I don’t like the way it is going, with journalists going to start getting beaten up, and politicians threatened with violence. But what I like makes no difference in the forces of history. People sent legions of conservative talking heads and politicians, they did nothing and many ended up collaborators. They will continue to send more and more radical people until action is taken. It was ever thus.

  51. Rococo Liberal

    Mature swinging voters, the ones whose votes decide the outcomes of elections, of retirement age, watch and listen to ABC religiously.

    No they don’t. At least they don’t watch all the news and current affairs crud on the ABC.
    The ABC is relevant at times other than elections, because a lot of the political class watch it and make the mistake that what it says and what is said on it somehow are important.

  52. a reader

    Who watches TV? Most people still do…

  53. Mark Steyn proves you wrong. He has the capability to single handledly change entire laws and culture with it. He is a one man content and free speech fighting machine. And people line up to support him.

    How did he go opposing Bill C-16? The fact that that was proposed and passed means the culture wasn’t changed. Who has Steyn converted on the Left?

    The sort of thinking that says the dusty black and white journal era will have any impact going forward is nill.

    Any impact? Journals like Quadrant have an impact on their readers. What is silly is expecting them to convert people that do not read the magazine which Leftists largely don’t.

    Conservatism failed to conserve anything.

    I wouldn’t be conflating Quadrant with Conservacorp. They have published articles over the years that were courageous, for instance, those referred to in my previous comment. We have one single moment of indecision here and many want to simply burn the whole thing down. You could just support Roger and pressure for a reorganization of the Board.

  54. Nerblnob

    The good articles in Quadrant are still online and there for dipping into, going back years.

    They are especially good at history.

    There is also some shit there but that’s easy to skip.

    Don’t support them for partisan crap like “looking after our own”.

    Support them because they actually host some quality writing, properly sourced and referenced historical pieces for example that try to get at truth rather than prop up a viewpoint.

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