Daniel – you have one job: Protect life, limb, and property.  

I’m happy to accept that the optimal level of crime is not zero. I’m also happy to accept that we can’t live zero-risk lives. Furthermore there is a price to be paid for living with a very large number of strangers in close proximity. There are also massive benefits.

Yet statements like this are just stupid:

… but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia. 

Well, no. I can and will not ever accept “that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia”. That is can and does happen? Yes. That the authorities will not always succeed in suppressing violent extremism? Yes. That it is acceptable? Never.

Let’s play the word substitution game and see how that attitude stacks up. Would Daniel Andrews ever say:

… but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that drink driving is part of a contemporary Australia.

… but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that speeding is part of a contemporary Australia.

… but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that domestic violence is part of a contemporary Australia.

I suspect not. Yet terrorism is a part of contemporary Australia?

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77 Responses to Daniel – you have one job: Protect life, limb, and property.  

  1. mh

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that poofter bashing is part of a contemporary Australia.

  2. mark

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that left lunacy is part of a contemporary Australia.

  3. cui bono

    It’s all about the steady, seemingly inevitable, increase in the numbers of natural Labor voters – unskilled, uneducated, unsympathetic to our way of life.

  4. Diogenes

    Said the very same thought at the coffee cart this morning , but I used “we have to get used to domestic violence as our new normal” – watching them trying to their reconcile cognitive dissonance is a wonderful sport, one even pulled the same face as did the Swedish PM in the Kingsman Head explosion scene.

  5. Pyrmonter

    He’s been spending too much time I the company of the CFMEU and MUA. With company like that, maybe he believes this?

  6. ilajd

    DA: what an utter moron.

  7. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.

    It’s a feature, not a bug!

  8. Yet terrorism is a part of contemporary Australia?

    No, but it should be.
    A terrified Parliament – terrified of the electorate, that is – would be a good start.

  9. Sally

    Depends on the meaning of ‘accept’.

    Daniel Andrews is like Kahn in London, they have helped create the problem and as a result we cannot deny that it is a part of contemporary Victoria or Australia.

    That these (trigger warning) honest politicians state the facts, if Australia keeps taking migrants from such disparate cultures there will be in the end a dissociated and resentful migrant or migrant off-spring population that does not fit in and sees itself as victims and with rights to lash out in their resentment.

    We may not like it but that is and will be the case.

  10. Dr Fred Lenin

    Run hide tell ,surrender left crap . The Dr Fred credo. investigate. interrogate ,castigate . The castigate bit involves Glock to the head .

  11. PeterF

    We all have to accept we have a bunch of gutless, cowardly surrender monkeys in charge of contemporary Australia.

  12. Dan Dare

    Sinc, if by strangers you mean Islam, I’d like to know what the massive benefits are.
    Unfortunately we have to accept that this Andrews is part of contemporary Victoria.

  13. A Lurker

    We all have to accept we have a bunch of gutless, cowardly surrender monkeys in charge of contemporary Australia.

    Amen to that.

  14. Louis Hissink

    During the late 1990’s I was involved with diamond exploration in the NE Kimberley and also lent a helping hand to a mate setting up a tourist resort north of Carson River Station. At one visit bringing in freight that fitted easily on the unladen Unimog, I met some WA EPA officers, one who was a re-tasked geologist. PC conversation ensued and I discovered that the Greens believed Australia was overstocked with humans.

    This led me to wonder whether government policy, assuming the Humphrey Applebys are in charge, with politicians as puppets, was to destock Australia of white people since we are the enemy de jour as it were.

    Quickest way on depopulating a city is to sanction violence and having a state premier state that indirectly should cause one to stop and think just what are the real policies of our ruling elite.

  15. stackja

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.

    Persecution of top Catholic religious is part of a contemporary Australia.

  16. Let’s play the word substitution game and see how that attitude stacks up. Would Daniel Andrews ever say:

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that drink driving is part of a contemporary Australia.

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that speeding is part of a contemporary Australia.

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that domestic violence is part of a contemporary Australia.

    I suspect not. Yet terrorism is a part of contemporary Australia?

    A worthy thought experiment, Sinc. However, let me turn that around. You quote this passage in the next thread:

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people. I have Muslim friends. And Muslim students. And Muslim colleagues. I suspect Brian does too. So how can they all get tarred with the same brush as the London perps? Why are we expecting them to somehow police their brothers? Am I responsible for the crimes committed by every woman? Every white person? Every atheist? Every academic? What personal convictions do I need to renounce out of fear that a ragtag bunch of disenfranchised thugs might watch a Youtube video, misinterpret my beliefs, and decide to fetish our deaths?

    Let us focus on drink driving specifically, to simplify things. If drink driving is deemed as unacceptable, such that by definition it can not be accepted even in one instance, what is the only option to completely prevent it? Banning alcohol or cars, of course. Why should other alcohol drinkers or car drivers be tarred with the same brush as drink drivers, according to the logic you quoted yourself?

    Many Cats have called for Muslim bans, mass deportations, internment, mosque razings and the like (right up to genocide), to prevent violent extremism. Is that what you want, for the state to enforce the unacceptability of violent extremism by implementing such policies? In these back-to-back threads, you are pushing some cognitive dissonance.

  17. Captain Crunch

    We all have to accept we have no idea what we are doing, nor where we are headed but we are making great time in contemporary Australia.

  18. John Comnenus

    The real cowardice is no the attackers – for the most part the only thing you can’t say about these losers is that they are cowards.

    The real cowardice is political statements from those in authority who avoid admitting that their previous policies have endangered us and that they are too scared of their peers to admit that fact and take the actions required to discharge their obligations to protect the public.

    The real cowards in the face of Islamic Terrorism has been our politicians and senior public security officials.

  19. H B Bear

    The CFMEU puppet Hunchback of Spring Street and Vicpol, the most politicised police force in Australia, have always taken a “flexible” approach to the enforcement of Australian law. Ask Boral and Grocon.

  20. John Comnenus

    The only way to fix a problem is to identify it, and then determine to fix the problem. Their complacent view is that we (ie random members of the public who die – not senior officials or politicians) have to accept their lack of will to identify and solve the problem. Remember when we could never solve boat people arrivals through hard power? Well the pure application of effort to find a solution worked against all the better judgement of the same complacent cowardly jerks who tell us we have to accept random death on the streets because of they are too scared to tell the truth.

  21. Tim Neilson

    I’m happy to accept that the optimal level of crime is not zero.

    True. In present circumstances illegal tobacco sales are a societal good.

  22. Sinclair Davidson

    Let us focus on drink driving specifically, to simplify things. If drink driving is deemed as unacceptable, such that by definition it can not be accepted even in one instance, what is the only option to completely prevent it? Banning alcohol or cars, of course. Why should other alcohol drinkers or car drivers be tarred with the same brush as drink drivers, according to the logic you quoted yourself?

    You being very subtle m0nty – not following your logic.

  23. duncanm

    The most basic functions of government are to protect its citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud.

    Dan the man wants to concentrate on penis tucking and actively encourages fraud by Union mates.

  24. john constantine

    Once the left have disposed of all the racists and the revolution is won, the need for terrorism will be over.

    Therefore their left, as monty describes, must redouble their efforts to progress the revolution as quickly as possible.

    Once the political cycle is destroyed, and elections are only contested in australia as their fainefilth once gloated:

    “between the greens and labor”

    We will have their leftist gulag utopia, where everybody will Love the State with every genuine inch of their medicated hearts, and everybody that does not comply is Purged, like Leak and Areff.

  25. john constantine

    Wait for their new yarragrad Domestic Terrorism anti-hatespeech laws.

    Failure to respect the weapons of the revolution will result in the crushing power of the State coming through your door, paramilitary style, in the hour before dawn.

    With their media to take the mocking footage of you as a domestic terrorist being dragged off in handcuffs, with your rabbit rifle proudly displayed in a plastic see-through bag being carried by a batgrrrl policewymynsys waddling alongside your sorry arse.

  26. notafan

    Let me guess; the consumption of alcohol and driving of cars is the same as ignoring little igor’s ranting about wanting to kill the infidel, or donating $100 to held the ‘mission’ in Syria

    And there is no

    misinterpreting of my beliefs

    What happens is that many muslims ignore the bits of islam they don’t like, aren’t comfortable with or they suffer from cognitive dissonance.

    I’m sick of the not real muslims narrative, history makes it plain who the ‘real muslims’ are.

    Sam the Dastard can drink his g&t and call himself a muslim but we all know that alcohol is haram and what the punishment is for drinking is in Saudi Arabia.

  27. Rabz

    Yet terrorism is a part of contemporary Australia?

    Thanks to inexcusable quisling cockheads like andrews, it is indeed.

  28. Mother Lode

    Well, the speeding and drink driving is not accepted to the extent that can be stopped and fined.

    Domestic violence is accepted (not endorsed or encouraged) in practice otherwise the ads which will effect the miracle cure would not be targeted at the group they know will just take the heat – straight white males. (Not non-whites, and never, ever women).

    Our government fighting terrorism means taking on someone scary.

    So we, as a society, will just have to put up with it. Easier to complain about backlashes and islamophobia – sheeting blame right back to…

  29. notafan

    Can I do a fridge and say we should accept that violent extremism is okay at your house?

    Speak for yourself Dan, you should volunteer for bollard duty, if you are so accepting.

  30. Up The Workers!

    Exactly the same Village Idiot incompetents were telling us during the Krudd/Gillard/Krudd-Regurgitated Misgovernments that it was IMPOSSIBLE to prevent porous international borders, or to keep out hundreds of thousands of International Centrelink-Seeking potential Muslim terrorists from our home.

    Tony Abbott proved those traitorous, anti-Australian lies to be wrong almost immediately.

  31. Tom

    …all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.

    Wow! Just wow! Dickhead Dan actually said that.

    And yet about 48% of voters will actually vote for him or the Filth at the next state election because Free Stuff. The Stupid.Fucking.Liberals will again be put in for one term to get the budget under control for the next Liars Party government. Rinse and repeat.

  32. Sparkx

    The domestic violence bit gave me a chuckle. We’ve had batty rosie, quentin bryce et al frothing at the mouth about it and then comes along hissybutts tahrir and gives us a video clip showing a couple of their female adherents saying that it is OK for their husbands to whack them.

  33. Sparkx

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that cowardly politicians is part of a contemporary Australia.

  34. John Comnenus

    Dear Premier Andrews and Commissioner Ashton,

    The only thing I am willing to accept is your resignation.

  35. The Pugilist

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.

    I’m confused. Was he talking about us having to accept the violent extremism of the CFMEU or IS?

  36. Robber Baron

    Perhaps some psychologists can help out here, but I recall an episode of Cracker (yes, quite a while ago now) where a couple of murders got all horned up after inflicting a bit of “ultra violence.” Dan is a devo.

  37. Louis

    We do have some progress though don’t we? We’ve gone from ‘there is nothing here to see’, to ‘you are a racist if you think/say that’, to ‘you are making it up’, to ‘we just need to learn to live with it’.

    Progress!

  38. Megan

    Dear Premier Andrews and Commissioner Ashton,

    The only thing I am willing to accept is your resignation.

    #istandwithjohn

  39. Marcus Classis

    He’s just admitted in public to being an incompetent failure who cannot do his job.

    he’s also admitted to being too stupid to understand this.

    And Victorians VOTED for this cretin?

  40. Wiley Coyote

    Clearly he is a pathetic wimp.

    He has full time, close cover, armed police protection. So does his family.

    Oh but the rest of us – “have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.”

  41. You being very subtle m0nty – not following your logic.

    What are the policy implications of deeming something to be “unacceptable” in your mind, Sinc? Does that mean the state should immediately go beyond simply outlawing something and punishing retroactively as a deterrent, to actively preventing it by restricting freedoms just in case citizens might in future commit the crime?

  42. Robber Baron

    Because we can’t watch everyone, we need a new way, a more efficient way. Thanks to technology we have found a way! We simply insert a small chip behind everyone’s ear. This will monitor all our thoughts. It is harmless. Devo Dan can call up Fatty Ashton who will send out one his his LGBTQ team to mace and taser the perpetrator. Simple.

    Coming soon to your new-born! And if you don’t chip your child, you don’t get welfare.

  43. JC

    What are the policy implications of deeming something to be “unacceptable” in your mind, Sinc?

    The Brighton Jihadi’s parole would be a good example, Monster.

  44. JC

    We simply insert a small chip behind everyone’s ear.

    That’s a long way off at this stage. But there’s no reason not to force Jihadi losers to wear ankle GPS tracking devices for instance so we know where the lunatics are at all times..

  45. Leigh Lowe

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that clubbing Labor politicians to death with baseball bats is part of a contemporary Australia.

  46. notafan

    The Brighton Jihadi’s parole would be a good example, Monster.

    As would the AAT decision to overturn a deportation order

    Again would like to know who his character witnesses were

    #allabouttheummah

  47. Leigh Lowe

    You being very stoopid subtle m0nty – not following your logic.

    But go easy on him Sinc.
    Consider the weight stacking up on him …
    – Adani got the green light.
    – Open borders looks to be totally screwed.
    – Hillary is still checking for Wussians under the bed (but not a bed in the White House, and not one shared with Bill).
    – The Hawks are woefully bad (goal-less first half against the Koch-heads).
    – The Paris accord is now lining the bottom of The Donald’s toucan cage at Mar-a-Lago.
    – And Bolta smashed a whole box of his Krispy Kremes at the book launch.

  48. But there’s no reason not to force Jihadi losers to wear ankle GPS tracking devices for instance so we know where the lunatics are at all times.

    The Brighton Jihadist was fitted with one, JC.
    Until he decided to take it off.

  49. Leigh Lowe

    That’s a long way off at this stage. But there’s no reason not to force Jihadi losers to wear ankle GPS tracking devices for instance so we know where the lunatics are at all times.

    Someone suggested internment camps earlier.
    However, I prefer a form of “electronic internment”. The problem with physical internment is that it puts all the fuckwits in the one place where they can build networks and hone their skills. Electronic internment does precisely the opposite. You can, in fact, design it such that it keeps undesirables apart. It would simply require the reintroduction of consorting laws, and use of existing tracking and matching technology.
    The electronic internment also includes the use of social media and the internet.
    The electronic internment could be set at several different levels, with the highest being a form of virtual ‘house arrest’ for life, with the subject only being permitted to be in the proximity of immediate family, his web access fully recorded on an approved device and his phone access limited to open social media platforms.
    Lower levels could be set for those considered at risk of radicalisation and perhaps to keep them clear of undesirables for a period of 4-5 years.
    At the moment, these fuckers are using tactics to exhaust surveillance and monitoring resources.
    This needs to change.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    The Brighton Jihadist was fitted with one, JC.
    Until he decided to take it off.

    I saw that.
    Perhaps we could wire them up with a dose of general anaesthetic which would trigger an injection as soon as it was tampered with.
    Knock him out for 60-90 minutes.
    Could be the odd death due to unforeseen allergic reaction, or a dive into the bathroom tiles, but, hey … rabid moozleys might just have to accept that this is a risk which is part of living in contemporary Australia.

  51. notafan

    It appears he took it off to bring them to him after he had killed a man and taken someone hostage.

  52. However, I prefer a form of “electronic internment”.

    I repeat, the Brighton Jihadist was wearing a court-ordered “tracking device”.
    When he was ready to commit mayhem and murder, he simply took it off.

    The problem with physical internment is that it puts all the fuckwits in the one place where they can build networks and hone their skills.

    How about physical internment halfway between Alice Springs and Mt Isa?
    All mechanical, electrical and electronic devices banned.
    Along with anything capable of holding more than a cupful of water.

  53. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Many Cats have called for Muslim bans, mass deportations, internment, mosque razings and the like (right up to genocide), to prevent violent extremism. Is that what you want, for the state to enforce the unacceptability of violent extremism by implementing such policies? In these back-to-back threads, you are pushing some cognitive dissonance.

    It’s a war monty. Perhaps we should have fought the Luftwaffe with love letters folded neatly into paper aeroplanes?

    The issue isn’t extremism, it is islam. Not aware of any extreme interpretations of islam, perhaps you can elucidated?

  54. Leigh Lowe

    It appears he took it off to bring them to him after he had killed a man and taken someone hostage.

    Correct.
    It was removed in the flat.
    If he was planning an ambush he did a shit job of it to be honest.

  55. Walter Plinge

    “…Wow! Just wow! Dickhead Dan actually said that. And yet about 48% of voters will actually vote for him or the Filth at the next state election…”

    If the Liberals had any brains and gumption they’d have that quote on every billboard around town. Sadly, since they possess neither and are just as culpable expect a great opportunity to be wasted.

  56. If the Liberals had any brains and gumption . . .

    I think I see your problem.

  57. stackja

    Jihadists don’t have any rights. Why pretend any longer.

  58. Jihadists don’t have any rights.

    Try telling that to the parole boards and the AAT.

  59. A Lurker

    How about physical internment halfway between Alice Springs and Mt Isa?
    All mechanical, electrical and electronic devices banned.
    Along with anything capable of holding more than a cupful of water.

    I prefer Heard Island, but the middle of the outback works just as well.
    I’d design it as a sealed camp – no contact with the outside world.
    Guards are volunteer ex-Army veterans (paid handsomely).
    No internet; English language books and DVDs only as entertainment. If they destroy anything then it doesn’t get replaced.
    They get a once-a-month monitored telephone call – conversation has to be in English.
    They can grow their own food to supplement a basic diet.
    Medical facilities on site in a separate, sealed and guarded facility.

    They are released on two conditions:
    1) They give up Australian citizenship and are repatriated to country of origin/parents country of origin with no right of return.
    2) They are released at the end of hostilities.
    2)

  60. Baldrick

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia. – Daniel Andrews, Victorian Premier

    #collaborator

  61. cynical1

    Hold the pollies to account.

    Make a promise that if any of your family are hurt, you wont seek retribution against innocent Muslims.

    The stupid politicians, however.

    Some innocent hotel worker is dead, his family heartbroken and this fucking moronic twat, a man who looks like Stephen Conroy’s slightly duller brother speaks this shit?

    Somebody should beat him to death with a bullet riddled, Somalian corpse.

  62. Chris

    ut all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that corporal punishment of trough-snouting politicians and their organised crime partners in the public service and unions is part of a contemporary Australia.

  63. Frank

    Leigh Lowe,
    perhaps electronic ankle bracelets coupled with shock collars for some operant conditioning. No need to engage with the higher functions for this to work.

  64. Lurker, you old softie –

    Guards are volunteer ex-Army veterans (paid handsomely).

    No guards. A ring of Phalanx guns modified to detect movement, 200 metres out, 200 metres apart.

    No internet; English language books and DVDs only as entertainment.
    If they destroy anything then it doesn’t get replaced.

    No mechanical, electrical, or electronic devices at all. No books or other entertainment.
    Anything gets destroyed, it is isn’t replaced, and water ration is halved for a month.

    They get a once-a-month monitored telephone call – conversation has to be in English.

    No contact with outside world.

    They can grow their own food to supplement a basic diet.

    If they can grow anything on a water ration of two litres a day per person, good luck to them.
    Army field rations dropped by helicopter once a month.

    Medical facilities on site in a separate, sealed and guarded facility.

    Unlimited supply of band-aids, bandages, and sun screen available. Take care.

    They are released on two conditions:
    1) They give up Australian citizenship and are repatriated to country of origin/parents country of origin with no right of return.
    2) They are released at the end of hostilities.

    Irrelevant. They were offered deportation/exile, and refused it, prior to internment.
    That’s why they were banished to where they are.

  65. Leigh Lowe

    perhaps electronic ankle bracelets coupled with shock collars for some operant conditioning. No need to engage with the higher functions for this to work.

    Yes, Frank, my imagination was running to things like wires to metal tooth fillings or “green wire left knacker: red wire right knacker” but decided not to go there.

  66. calli

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia. – Daniel Andrews, Victorian Premier

    Let’s make a little change

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism beating the cr*p out of politicians is part of a contemporary Australia. – Daniel Andrews, Victorian Premier

    See, Dan? It all depends on the victim.

  67. Paul

    Protect life limb and property
    Well Dan andrews has failed miserably on all these, but so to have successive State and Federal governments. On this basis alone, most of our politicians should resign in shame, but they are shameless.
    terrorism is part of contemporary Australia.
    Yes ever since the left wing media and politicians made it so, they told us these lies that muslims will integrate, while the majority are happy to accept our values and way of life, a large minority never agreed to the bargain of integration in exchange for accepting western values.
    Too many muslims , left wing politicians and the lefty msm, see us as racist because we expect them to change to our way of life and our values, again not what THEY expected or wanted.
    We are now the racists, the offenders because of this.
    The real enemy to every day Aussies are the left wing activists, fascist extremists.

  68. Andrew

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that unease with rewriting the Marriage Act, or allowing teen boys to self-identify as transwymminz and use girls’ locker rooms, is part of a contemporary Australia.

  69. Andrew

    Is that any more shocking than

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that summer blackouts and the inability of the grid to supply even basic needs on a hot day is part of a contemporary Australia.

  70. Slayer of Memes

    You being very subtle m0nty – not following your logic.

    He’s not being subtle Sinc…

    It’s called reductio ad absurdium, and is his standard practice when he cannot actually refute arguments with logic and reason…

    Just ban the xunt and let him rave on (one of his many) forgotten blogs…

  71. john constantine

    “but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that Stalinist Transvestites are part of a contemporary Australian kindergarten. “

  72. john constantine

    “but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that sexual assault of women by mass imported welfare herds is part of a contemporary Australia. “

  73. john constantine

    “but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that globalist collective extremism is part of replacing contemporary Australia with a deindustrialised, dewesternised, decolonialised dystopia..”

  74. Robbo

    While we have an incompetent Premier and Chief Commissioner of Police in Victoria I am prepared to accept the line being peddled by that dumbarse Andrews. No matter how bad it is I am no longer surprised by anything done by either the Government or their Police. How low things have got in Victoria.

  75. rickw

    … but all of us, as Victorians and indeed Australians, have to accept that violent extremism is part of a contemporary Australia.

    These vermin are going to end up as lamppost ornaments if they keep this up.

  76. John constantine

    Their strap Andrews also has to honour their lefts non_aggression pact with James packer.

    Over ruling the planning authority to hand James packer the right to extend crown casino is all in a days grovel for yarragrad.

  77. Cynic of Ayr

    The thing is, I doubt there would be any violent extremism in Australia, especially by hooded cowards, if the public would fight back!
    The biggest problem by far with that is, and I don’t hesitate to say this, any public that did fight back would be attacked (quasi-legally) by Daniel Andrews.
    Why? Because Daniel Andrews is on the same side as the violent extremists. He doesn’t get involved out front in public, but he supports them.
    So, fight back by all means, but do not expect to get any Justice from any Left Wing idiot like Andrews.
    Let’s see what happens with Andrew Bolt. Even one of our own Cats thinks that Bolt went too far by kicking the bloke in the family jewels.
    Bullshit!
    When confronted by an unknown person, with an unknown weapon, or possible weapon, you fight back as hard, and as unfairly as possible!

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