Free speech not academic freedom

QUT academic Brian McNair has gotten himself into a bit of trouble.

A Queensland university is in damage control after one of its ­academics, Scottish-trained media professor Brian McNair, described Islam as “a cancer on the planet”.

Here is the offending tweet.

I don’t know Brian McNair but I do regularly read his stuff at The Conversation.

Lauren Rosewarne raises some interesting questions:

Numerous questions are plaguing me about this issue; questions QUT are no doubt similarly wrestling with.

Should a scholar’s personal condemnation of Islam be protected under academic freedom?

Do views articulated on Facebook or Twitter fall under the banner of work product? What part does possibly-fleeting red mist and posted-on-the-weekend play in all of this?

Do our audiences have any duty to distinguish between our weekday political musings and our weekend emotional outbursts if they’re delivered via the same media?

Generally I think censoring should be the absolute last resort. Just because I don’t agree with someone shouldn’t be grounds to gag them. It’s a courtesy I’d like extended to me.

Now it isn’t clear to me that McNair’s tweet should be covered by academic freedom. Tweeting is not his job and his twitter account doesn’t belong to his employer. Indeed his employer isn’t even identified on his account. It should, however, be covered by freedom of speech.

Lauren makes some important points that I think people should reflect on more broadly:

Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people. I have Muslim friends. And Muslim students. And Muslim colleagues. I suspect Brian does too. So how can they all get tarred with the same brush as the London perps? Why are we expecting them to somehow police their brothers? Am I responsible for the crimes committed by every woman? Every white person? Every atheist? Every academic? What personal convictions do I need to renounce out of fear that a ragtag bunch of disenfranchised thugs might watch a Youtube video, misinterpret my beliefs, and decide to fetish our deaths?

The old question – Am I my brother’s keeper? Unless you have just actually murdered your brother the answer must be “No”.

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83 Responses to Free speech not academic freedom

  1. Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people. I have Muslim friends. And Muslim students. And Muslim colleagues. I suspect Brian does too. So how can they all get tarred with the same brush as the London perps? Why are we expecting them to somehow police their brothers? Am I responsible for the crimes committed by every woman? Every white person? Every atheist? Every academic? What personal convictions do I need to renounce out of fear that a ragtag bunch of disenfranchised thugs might watch a Youtube video, misinterpret my beliefs, and decide to fetish our deaths?

    You do like trolling, don’t you Sinc. Bravo.

  2. stackja

    If instead said something about now discredited politicians of the past?

  3. Senile Old Guy

    Now it isn’t clear to me that McNair’s tweet should be covered by academic freedom. Tweeting is not his job and his twitter account doesn’t belong to his employer. Indeed his employer isn’t even identified on his account. It should, however, be covered by freedom of speech.

    Agreed.

    The old question – Am I my brother’s keeper? Unless you have just actually murdered your brother the answer must be “No”.

    Arguable.

    People who fail to report cases of child sex abuse will face jail under new laws being introduced by the Victorian Government. The laws will make it illegal to fail to disclose information about child sex abuse, or to fail to protect a child from abuse.

    You are your ‘brother’s keeper’ under law in most parts of Australia when it comes to child sex abuse.

    In any case, so far the problem seems to be a possibly lenient system as there appears to have been considerable warnings for all recent terrorists.

  4. stackja

    The Roar of Lions: The Asymmetric Campaigns of Muhammad
    Russell G. Rodgers

    Muhammad created this constant image of the pending threat and used it to full advantage. He did this by selectively using terror to leverage future enemies into submission, a method to which he himself admitted.

  5. A Lurker

    A Queensland university is in damage control after one of its ­academics, Scottish-trained media professor Brian McNair, described Islam as “a cancer on the planet”.

    The good professor is incorrect – Islam is not a cancer on the planet, the real cancer is Socialism/Cultural Marxism/Leftism/Progressivism/Collectivism etc., however, you could describe Islam as a secondary viral disease that attacks the already weakened host.

  6. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    There are good Muslims but there is no good Islam.

  7. john malpas

    Academics blurting out righteous rubbish and being heeded. Sounds the norm

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    If he had opined that Christianity is a blight on the planet would there be a similar outrage?
    I suspect you are allowed to disagree about Christianity, even in such strident terms.
    Less so about Islam. Indeed, not at all, about Islam.
    He should speak freely as he feels, even if we deem him wrong.

  9. I judge individual Muslims just as I do all other people, by their individual behaviour.

    Islam, on the other hand, I judge to be an intolerant and supremacist evangelical ideology of violence.

    There is a difference.

  10. pbw

    The old question – Am I my brother’s keeper? Unless you have just actually murdered your brother the answer must be “No”.

    Isn’t that the wrong way around? When Cain asked that question, he had just murdered his brother, so, no, he wasn’t his brother’s keeper–he had no brother. Problem solved.

    Anyway, here’s some footage of an ancient libertarian philosopher trying to make a similar point.

  11. Nick

    Should a scholar’s personal condemnation of Islam be protected under academic freedom?

    If it relates to his research, then yes. If not, then its his own opinion. If that’s a problem is Tim Anderson still employed at Sydney University?

  12. Brian

    The tweet is not talking about people, it is aimed at an ideology.
    Can 1.6B people have a wrong ideology?
    No doubt about that at all.
    Will they all use that ideology the same. Of course not. But using that fact to leave the ideology unchallenged leaves its latent power in place. Hence 2nd and 3rd generation jihadis.

    There are only 2 ways to deal with Islam.
    You either expel everyone adhering to it – which under the principle of taquiyya is not fool proof.
    Or you describe adn debate the ideology in its raw form to show it is corrupt.
    That also is very difficult when as Steyn points out – these people live in communities that deliberately isolate themselves to avoid any such questions getting through.

    I have just been reading about 2 fellows who were interested to read more about Issha [Jesus] – whom Islam claims as a prophet of God. [The Quran also teaches that both the Old and New Testaments are the Word of God – but don’t try actually reading them…] They were reported by their own mother, threatened by their uncle and arrested and beaten by police – just for the crime of being interested in knowing what a so called prophet of Islam actually taught. They were advised that the only way they would be safe was to put all such thoughts of enquiry out of their heads. They have now left their homes and having learnt more, are about to be baptised as Christians. They do this at risk of their own lives. We call that true conviction.

  13. Driftforge

    Why are we expecting them to somehow police their brothers?

    Because they belong to a different nation, even if they live in the same state.

    This is the core advance of the nation state. Allowing like people to establish like rules to minimise the requirements for governance of their own, and to take responsibility for the actions of those people externally.

    Am I my brothers keeper? In a civilised world, the answer is yes, you are. And the world is civilised because of that answer.

  14. notafan

    Islam would attack us even if the marxists didn’t exist

    They might just have taken longer to be emboldened

    Might end up a Good Thing if they have misjudged and started too soon.

  15. mh

    Unfortunately the MSM self-censored and omitted the fact that the jihadists shouted “This is for Islam” while stabbing their victims. When the media lies it leads to a host of other errors. For example, Steve Price had an expert on his radio show last night who stated that the London Bridge terror attack was “inept” and “pathetic” because of it’s low-tech nature. The attack is jihad – it is a personal religious act.

    Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”

  16. Tim Neilson

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people.

    No. He said “Islam”, not “Muslims”. And we should do him the courtesy of assuming that he said what he meant.

    If we’re not allowed to oppose the Islamic ideology in case of butt-hurty feelings, does the same apply to anyone who criticises my Christian beliefs?

  17. mh

    Correction: This is for Allah!

  18. Chris

    Ask yourself would an academic who said ‘Christianity is a blight on society’ be censured or fired?

    Actually, virture signalling, political correctness, moral status display- the active punishment of your colleague or neighbour for non-approved thought or speech- is a cancer on humanity.

  19. Senile Old Guy

    For example, Steve Price had an expert on his radio show last night who stated that the London Bridge terror attack was “inept” and “pathetic” because of it’s low-tech nature.

    People dead and many injured. I doubt those alive, or those who lost loved ones, think it inept.

  20. OldOzzie

    Whilst we do Dilettante Arguments about Muslims

    Most Muslims are peaceful people who disapprove of terrorism, but many are not. Opinion polls show a large and consistent minority of 20% to 40% approves of at least some form of terrorism. Support for ISIS generally is low, but much higher for Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups. By any reasonable count there are a few hundred million Muslims who in some way approve of terror, although very few of them would take part in terror attacks. But they are the sea in which the sharks can swim unobserved. They may not build bombs, but they will turn a blind eye to terrorists in their midst, especially if those terrorists are relations. They also fear retaliation from the terrorists if they inform.

    Whilst you argue semantics the reality is out by the Daily Mail today

    Why was he on parole – and why was he in Australia at all? Violent, ice-addicted Islamic jihadi who trained in Somalia had been jailed for drug-fuelled home invasion and linked to terror groups before killing spree

    – Yacqub Khayre carried out an ISIS-inspired attack in Melbourne’s south-east
    – African refugee, 29, killed innocent clerk worker and kept sex worker hostage
    – He was shot dead after opening fire on waiting tactical police officers on Monday
    – PM Malcolm Turnbull questioned why Khayre was on parole and not deported
    – has lengthy criminal history and was released from jail last November

  21. Spider

    Counting Cats I judge individual Muslims just as I do all other people, by their individual behaviour.

    Islam, on the other hand, I judge to be an intolerant and supremacist evangelical ideology of violence.

    There is a difference.

    +100
    And herein lies the problem. I can object to Islam for idealogical reasons but say hello each morning to the Muslim lady down the road or chat to the Iranian kiddies next door.

    The Left don’t get that because everything is personal. For them it is impossible for there to exist, say, a Trump supporter who might be a reasonable human being. It may can’t happen.

    It would be fascinating to see what would have happened if it was Scientologists and not Muslims running around creating mayhem.

  22. C.L.

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people.

    Rightly so.
    Notice the street marches against ISIS in Jakarta?
    Notice the huge donations for Manchester pouring in from Riyadh?
    Me either.

  23. Goanna

    “After Melbourne attack, I am signing off for a wee while. Emotions r high. But we need to talk about this stuff. If we don’t, fascists will.”

    Fascists? Who?

  24. thefrolickingmole

    So whats it to be Bollards of peace erupting like mushrooms everywhere and never ending government surveillance or secure borders and a discriminatory migration policy?

    Pick one.

  25. OldOzzie

    Why are we expecting them to somehow police their brothers?

    Again let me refer to the following Article

    Counter-Terror Lessons from America’s Civil War or How to deal with the”Muslim” Problem

    The essay below first appeared a year ago in The Asia Times, under the headline, “Why the terrorists are winning the intelligence war.” There’s a tried and true American approach to suppressing terrorism, and it worked quite well during Gen. Sherman’s 1863 Kentucky campaign and Gen. Phil Sheridan’s subsequent reduction of the Shenandoah Valley. We don’t have to be particularly smart; we merely have to do some disgusting things. Sherman and Sheridan suppressed sniping at Union soldiers by Confederate civilians by burning the towns (just the towns, not the townsfolk) that sheltered them. In other words, they forced collective responsibility upon a hostile population, a doctrine that in peacetime is entirely repugnant, but that in wartime becomes unavoidable.

    As the Prussian army drove into France during the 1870 war with France, Germany’s Chancellor Otto von Bismarck sought the advice of the American military observer, none other than Phil Sheridan, whose cavalry had burned out the farmers of the Shenandoah Valley in the last stages of the conflict. What should Bismarck do about French snipers and saboteurs from villages along the Prussian route of march? Sheridan told Bismarck to burn the villages, leaving the people “with nothing left but their eyes to weep with after the war.” That, and hang the snipers, Sheridan threw in.

    Like Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, who burned a great swath through Georgia and the Carolinas, Sheridan believed that war is won not just by killing soldiers but by denying them support from a broader civilian population.

    Most Muslims are peaceful people who disapprove of terrorism, but many are not. Opinion polls show a large and consistent minority of 20% to 40% approves of at least some form of terrorism. Support for ISIS generally is low, but much higher for Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups. By any reasonable count there are a few hundred million Muslims who in some way approve of terror, although very few of them would take part in terror attacks. But they are the sea in which the sharks can swim unobserved. They may not build bombs, but they will turn a blind eye to terrorists in their midst, especially if those terrorists are relations. They also fear retaliation from the terrorists if they inform.

    The way to win the war is to frighten the larger community of Muslims who passively support terror by action or inaction–frighten them so badly that they will inform on family members. Frightening the larger Muslim population in the West does not require a great deal of effort: a few thousand deportations would do. Western intelligence services do not even have to deport the right people; the wrong people know who they are, and so do many of their neighbors. The ensuing conversation is an easy one to have. “I understand that your nephew is due for deportation, Hussein, and I believe you when you tell me that he has done nothing wrong. I might be able to help you. But you have to help me. Give me something I can use–and don’t waste my time by making things up, or I swear that I’ll deport you, too. If you don’t have any information, then find out who does.”

    This approach to quashing insurgency has worked numerous times in the past. It is not characteristic of peacetime life in western democracies, to be sure, but neither was Phil Sheridan’s ride through the Shenandoah. We prefer to think about winning hearts and minds. Winning the hearts and minds of a people, though, isn’t difficult once they fear you.

  26. Chris

    And as Mark Steyn said, the murders are not being done by fridges carelessly toppling on people but by people who actively hate us.

    And those people were imported by the same kind of people who want to deny the reality. The people who gloatingly decided to import voteherds of brown people because they thought it was a slap in the face for their political enemies, and add to the unthinking ‘anti-establishment’ vote.

    Out of their hatred for ordinary decent people as ‘white males’ they created publicity campaigns for mass murder that reward previous murderers with publicity and promise it for future murderers. They said ‘if it saves just one life’ we must pass laws to smash ordinary people in the face by taking away their historic rights, whether to guns or to free speech.
    The model for

    The enemy is not Islam, but virtue signalling. Root cause of the horrors of beheading and murder of children in our own country is virtue signalling – first by leftists, then by jihadists. In this, leftists and jihadists are united. That person who said it would be more just for a bomb to go off in an Ultimo newsroom was literally correct.

  27. Rabz

    I have muslim friends.

    I don’t and never intend to – not being a hypocrite results in a very clear conscience.

    Funnily enough, I don’t have any friends who are nazis, either.

    There isn’t a great deal of difference between islam and nazism as far as I’m concerned.

  28. Bugme

    Please groups are tarred with the same brush all the time, white old men, catholic priests, this should be no different!

  29. Aussiepundit

    Does that mean that you think criticism of any ideology is out-of-bounds, if there is a sufficiently huge number of adherents?

  30. Rabz

    BTW, I wouldn’t shed any tears for McNair – his career is effectively over, following this thoughtcrime.

    I remember only too well the appalling treatment of poor ol’ Al Moran for expressing similar wrongthink on the very same topic.

    It’s the sheer blatant, unrelenting hypocrisy that gives me the proverbials.

  31. jupes

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people.

    As CL points out: Rightly so.

    Not every Muslim is a terrorist but that is irrelevant to the Muslim problem faced by western societies. The bottom line is simple – The more Muslims the more terrorism.

  32. jupes

    There isn’t a great deal of difference between islam and nazism as far as I’m concerned.

    Yep.

  33. Habib

    That dead horse ain’t likely to do a lazarus. Rather than the anologies presented, how about a more reasonable comparison? Are all commies douches? Are all nazis shitheads? And what do these two philosophies share with another cult with a very large fan base?

  34. Chris

    Bugger.
    In post above I was going to say , the model for motivating mass shooters and terrorists is not
    “Oooo I can get a gun really easy so I will, because I am a white male and violence is endemic to me!”

    In the same way it isn’t “Ooo corblimey my dad made me a muslim and I cant get a girl so I will kill people and get 72 virgins and it’ll be sweet because Islam!!1!”

    Whats actually going on can be seen slightly differently. The most useful model appears to be the social imitation model. This is best described by Cialdini in “Influence: Science and Practice”.

    The upshot is that our media are providing role models and promising rewards for terrorism.

    I believe the shrieking about Islam and immigration is encouraging the victim mentality in second and third generation muslim kids, and when you add this to the fact that they have high rate of paranoid thinking and feeling excluded because they can’t score chicks or get nice jobs, you move the potential catchment from a few crazies (like ordinary mass shooters) to a high proportion of young western muslims. These guys should be able to cash in on living here, but are being taught to feel like shit instead.

  35. Chris

    Consequence of looking at it that way: Newsrooms and lefty activists are, in fact, the best Western target for blame for home-grown terrorism.

  36. Helen

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people.

    The bottom line is, regardless of the distraction of who your friends are at this point in time, if there were no Muslims in *London, there would not be splodey bits of girl children being wiped of the floor, ceiling etc at little girl concerts, would there? There would not be missing Australian girls possibly at the bottom of the Thames, would there?

    Feel free to swap with town/city/region of choice.

  37. anonandon

    Would the world be a better place without Islam. Yeah…I think it would!

  38. Stan

    He didn’t say that all Muslim people are the problem, he said that Islam is the problem. And he is correct.

  39. Sparkx

    I wholeheartedly agree with some of the previous posts. McNair didn’t point the finger at anybody but decried an ideology that holds up a violent ped*phile as a hero.

  40. Des Deskperson

    “Now it isn’t clear to me that McNair’s tweet should be covered by academic freedom. Tweeting is not his job and his twitter account doesn’t belong to his employer. Indeed his employer isn’t even identified on his account. It should, however, be covered by freedom of speech.”

    Here’s the QUT staff Code of Conduct:

    http://www.mopp.qut.edu.au/B/B_08_01.jsp

    So far as I can see, it seems to focus on integrity and behaviour in the course of employment at QUT. Unlike many other public organisations, there is no clause – at least that I can find – requiring employees to behave ‘at all times’ in a manner that upholds the reputation of the institution. Cats may recall that this sort of clause was used – unsuccessfully – by Latrobe University to censure Roz Ward over some piddling private tweet of hers.

    So, prima facie, the QUT can’t sanction McNair for something he said as a private citizen in his own time using his own resources.

    The following clauses in the QUT Code of Conduct could, however, give him trouble:

    “Staff members must treat all people equitably and fairly. Staff members must not unlawfully make distinctions, or apply exclusions or restrictions based on sex, gender, sexuality, race, disability, religion, marital or parental status, age, political or religious conviction or any other factor that is irrelevant to a person’s ability to work, study or access QUT services.

    Staff members must not engage in behaviours which may be unwelcome or which may be distressing, offensive or humiliating to others regardless of whether this occurs face-to-face, in writing, via email or via social networking sites. Such behaviour may amount to harassment and/or bullying and may be unlawful under antidiscrimination or other legislation.”

    QUT could argue that his tweet makes it difficult to be seen to comply with this element in the course of his employment.

    1.3 Integrity and impartiality
    QUT staff members are placed in a position of trust and should act in ways which maintain public confidence in the University and which advance the good of the University community. Staff members, regardless of their position or duties, must act with honesty, impartiality and propriety.
    QUT values social justice, equal opportunity and a safe and supportive working environment. In their dealings with others, including students, staff and external organisations, staff members are expected to treat others fairly, honestly and respectfully, and with proper regard for their rights and obligations.

  41. Des Deskperson

    BTW, I meant go delete the last para just to save space, but it could also, of course, be used against McNair. Note the use of the terms ‘safe and supportive”.

  42. Robber Baron

    Our political “leaders” that live in safety and strut about in the house of cowards spouting nonsense are just the modern version of WW1 generals that send inadequately armed individuals out into no-mans-land only to be cut down by enemy machine gun fire and say “this is the price you need to pay for your freedoms.” Bull shit!

    Like a spring coil being pushed, it builds up energy, and at some point it pushes back with huge power. The coil is filling with energy. Watch out!

  43. struth

    Apparently not all Muslims are terrorists, and should be judged as individuals.

    All white western men are a different story.

  44. A Lurker

    Apparently not all Muslims are terrorists, and should be judged as individuals.

    All white western men are a different story.

    Along with all Roman Catholic priests.

  45. test pattern

    ‘ Brian McNair, described Islam as “a cancer on the planet”.

    Could read:

    ‘Brain McNair described the Irish as ‘a cancer on the planet’

    The Brits have form, internment without trial.

    ‘A world away on Ormond road a barrister dips his pen in woad,
    And takes his gold, safe and dark from prying eyes
    For plying law from tortured lies,
    The prisoner screams a scream unseen
    Naked guests of a gracious queen…’

  46. Major Elvis Newton

    “…Am I responsible for the crimes committed by every woman? Every white person?…”
    As a man I am mandated by government decree to bear responsibility for ALL domestic violence regardless of perpetrator.
    As a white person I am commanded to accept responsibility for every atrocity that has ever been inflicted upon the planet from the destruction of the Tower of Babel to the dispossession of nomadic tribal lands and from the ruination of polar bear habitats to the grievous condemnation of Safe Schools.

  47. Sparkle Motion

    Cancer is a cancer on the planet. Stupid metaphor.

    QUT’s elite should find a more articulate way to describe something they want destroyed or reformed.

    Nevertheless, why shackle his speech? Pretty dumb comment, as Rosewarne points out. Just combat it with better free speech if you don’t like it.

  48. Louis

    The left have spent decades (60+) telling whitey he is responsible for all the real and imagined crimes committed throughout history by white people, now they want an abrupt about turn when it comes to Islam.

  49. Bruce

    Apparently countries like Japan, Poland, Hungary experience little or no Islamic inspired terrorist incidents. Their immigration policies may well hold the key to this.
    Of concern though to the Europeans and the Brits is the reasonably high level of sympathy and support amongst the Muslim communities for the extreme activities of the jihadis, as well as the imposition of sharia law.
    The afore mentioned countries look to date to have escaped the cancerous spread through their communities.

  50. sfw

    Moslems believe the koran to be the literal word of god, the koran is quite explicit and specific about what is to be done about infidels. The truly devout have no choice if they believe the koran is gods word and they act.
    The rest of the moslems may not like or approve of what is done in the name of allah but they don’t really come out strong against the despicable acts, because they know deep down inside that these crazies are doing what the koran says to do and if you believe the koran to be gods word you really can’t say much against murder done in gods name.
    Islam is fundamentally incompatible with western society, pay them all to go home, any amount just get them to leave and don’t let anymore in. There is no other long term solution.

    There can be no islamic reformation because how can man reform the word of god? Only god could alter islam.

  51. Habib

    If he’d said it about the bogtrotters he’d have been correct.

  52. Tim Neilson

    test pattern
    #2403749, posted on June 6, 2017 at 2:21 pm
    ‘ Brian McNair, described Islam as “a cancer on the planet”.

    Could read:

    ‘Brain McNair described the Irish as ‘a cancer on the planet’

    Poor old testpattern, unable to distinguish between criticism of an ideology and criticism of a race or nationality.

    Sad, isn’t it.

  53. Craig

    Sinc,

    So, the threat of 1.6 billion mussies is why we stop and think why civil unrest should be best averted with this peace loving cult?

    I’m over this lot Sinc, I no longer give a fig about the constant call for peace from this crowd of homo haters. If an Islamist practitioner wishes to live in a western country, they can denounce Islam at the airport or be turned around and sent back to whatever backwards shithole they came from.

    Islam does not work in a western country, it does not support western values and Islam will go to war with the west to establish the caliphate. That is their job and right now, they are winning.

  54. Tim Neilson

    The enemy is not Islam, but virtue signalling.

    There’s a lot of merit in this. If we could eradicate middle class pinkoism from Australia pretty much every serious problem we have would soon be solved or at least substantially alleviated.

  55. Jeez.
    And what of the (often) vile assessments made about Christianity by atheists & others???

    Lauran Rosewan’s remark about the offence caused by McNair’s remark is fatuous, given the offence continually made about the evils of Christianity & religions in general.

    Enough!

  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Islam does not work in a western country, it does not support western values and Islam will go to war with the west to establish the caliphate. That is their job and right now, they are winning.

    Well said.

  57. Paul

    Simple test. Ask your Muslim friends if they believe Sharia should be implemented. If yes, find new friends. If no, why do they say they’re Muslim?

  58. struth

    This wouldn’t be the left ganging up on an individual, would it?

    Apparently this could lead to lawfare if we legally look into singled out lefties.

    Never back down.

  59. Consequence of looking at it that way: Newsrooms and lefty activists are, in fact, the best Western target for blame for home-grown terrorism.

    Don’t overthink this, Chris.

    Young Islamic men have been screaming Allahu Akbar & despatching infidels & apostates for centuries.

    An apocalyptic, fatalistic ideology , when combined with repressive social mores, will pretty much guarantee it.

  60. Doesn’t anyone know any more how to read the meaning of a rhetorical generalisation.

  61. StrayanDrongo

    Islam are a set of ideas that should be able to be discussed and blamed in such a manner. We speak very freely about communism, capitalism, democracy, why not Islam? The reason is that they will kill you.

  62. Chris

    Don’t overthink this, Chris.

    Young Islamic men have been screaming Allahu Akbar & despatching infidels & apostates for centuries.

    Do you be telling me?
    Well butter my arse and call me goat boy.
    Information warfare should be added to killing the enemy, for purposes like undermining their self-respect and social status, drying up their recruiting and increasing voluntary betrayals and surrenders. If I tell you that the Port Arthur perp was inspired by media treatment, to murder 35 innocents, would you tell me I was overthinking it? and should I just accept that its really MY fault like the filthy Greens say?

  63. David Palmer

    Whilst I think Sinclair has a very valid point to make – not tarring all Muslims with the same brush, the longer these kinds of outrageous, hate filled attacks are made on defenceless citizens just going about their ordinary lives, the more likely will be the chances of the kind of comments by the QUT Prof being multiplied which in itself is far better than citizens taking matters into their own hands.

  64. Razor

    The author of this article has now demonstrated that no amount of logical, rational argument will penetrate his pre conceptions and presumptions regarding Islam.
    All acts of Terrorism in my memory eminate from persons associated with Islam.
    None of years of late have any relationship to Christianity.
    None of any years of late have anthing to do with any other form of ideological violent, brutal, in your face murder.
    For some are deceived by the ‘good’ Moslem who claims to want live in peace. If this were a truism then there should not be the religious wars of the middle east. One group of followers of Islam brutalise another group. If Islam was a religion of peace then the middle east should be a paradise to visit.
    Review Milgram’s experiment. It demonstrates that when faced with authority most ‘good’persons will take actions which have fatal consequences for a human being. All devout moslems will validate Milgram’s Experiment.

    There are good Muslims but there is no good Islam.

  65. Helen

    Newsrooms and lefty activists are, in fact, the best Western target for blame for home-grown terrorism.

    Naah. They are dumb enough to try to hide what it is, but they didn’t instigate it. This is a caliphate plan from the very beginning, straight from the side of the mouth at Riyadh HQ, the western lefty media were just the useful idiots who helped it along a bit further than it would have otherwise got.

    Follow the money.

  66. Roger

    “Staff members must treat all people equitably and fairly. Staff members must not unlawfully make distinctions, or apply exclusions or restrictions based on sex, gender, sexuality, race, disability, religion, marital or parental status, age, political or religious conviction or any other factor that is irrelevant to a person’s ability to work, study or access QUT services.”

    This is the university that denies people entry to certain computer rooms on the basis of their “race”, btw.

  67. James Hargrave

    Universities spew out a dysentery of policies and codes on this, that and everything else. It is because those in charge have no (common sense) and no real sense of right and wrong (it’s all relative) that they have to start defining things to the nth degree – and doing so to meet the latest fads.

  68. First, understand the Koran and Hadith. (a “moderate” Muslim is not a true Muslim)
    Second, realize that we are in a war.
    Third, now it may finally sinc (sic) into your thick skull.

    Humbug
    Born in Turkey, Says ‘Musliman’ and ‘Islam’ on my passport and birth certificate.

  69. Roger

    It is because those in charge have no (common sense) and no real sense of right and wrong (it’s all relative) that they have to start defining things to the nth degree – and doing so to meet the latest fads.

    As a common culture and ethos recedes, laws and rules increase.

  70. Andrew

    People who fail to report cases of child sex abuse will face jail under new laws being introduced by the Victorian Government. The laws will make it illegal to fail to disclose information about child sex abuse, or to fail to protect a child from abuse.

    You are your ‘brother’s keeper’ under law in most parts of Australia when it comes to child sex abuse.

    In any case, so far the problem seems to be a possibly lenient system as there appears to have been considerable warnings for all recent terrorists.

    I had a Muslim friend ask why the “Muslim community” is held to blame, given he wouldn’t expect me to be accountable for violent acts of someone who happens to be Christian, or Anglo.

    I said the issue was that if I hear that some Serb extremist is off to blow up his kids’ school, I’m immediately ringing 000 saying we have a terrorist attack in progress. There’s not even a question about it. Anyone blowing shit up or planning to kill people and we don’t stop to ask what religion the perp and intended victims.

    The problem is noone seems to know or see anything when the Parramatta mosque is dealing guns to 15yo jihadi etc. Now if I believe that a community is hiding and aiding perps, that WILL affect how I look at all of them.

    Does anyone get the feeling that the Muslims are trying as hard to get these people locked up, deported or filled with lead as the community as a whole? If not, why not? Is ASIO getting its social meeja tip-offs from the Arabic-speaking public, or from their own efforts?

  71. Senile Old Guy

    Universities spew out a dysentery of policies and codes on this, that and everything else. It is because those in charge have no (common sense) and no real sense of right and wrong (it’s all relative) that they have to start defining things to the nth degree – and doing so to meet the latest fads.

    No. Partly government regulations; partly because they are likely to be sued, if something goes wrong. Going wrong here can include the student not doing as well as they think they should.

  72. Roger

    Is ASIO getting its social meeja tip-offs from the Arabic-speaking public, or from their own efforts?

    I think you’ll find ASIO pays for a lot of information it receives from the Muslim community.

  73. Tel

    Review Milgram’s experiment. It demonstrates that when faced with authority most ‘good’persons will take actions which have fatal consequences for a human being. All devout moslems will validate Milgram’s Experiment.

    Trouble is, most Christians will do the same. I would very much like to see a statistical comparison across cultures and races on that one… which I doubt anyone is likely to ever measure.

  74. Andrew

    Simple test. Ask your Muslim friends if they believe Sharia should be implemented. If yes, find new friends. If no, why do they say they’re Muslim?

    Is it possible that there are some Muslims who believe devoutly in Allah and try to conduct themselves in accordance with shari’a, and think that the Mecca Quran outlines a good way to live their lives, but consider it a personal matter between themselves and Allah, and understand if I choose not to fast, pray 5x a day, avoid haram products without needing to impose their religious will on society as a whole? And yes, I realise there are passages that encourage them to MAKE that imposition, but there are passages in the NT that encourage people to act like JWs and knock on doors too. Could a person who devoutly practices the shari’a but does not seek to impose shari’a law on others be considered a Muslim (albeit, an imperfect one)?

  75. OldOzzie

    Terror to continue until Islam reforms

    MELANIE PHILLIPSThe Times3:53PM June 6, 2017

    The elephant is still in the room. Even now, with Theresa May saying “enough is enough” after the London Bridge atrocities, we are still refusing to identify correctly the threat that has already claimed so many lives.

    These attackers are not “evil losers”. They are not “sick cowards”. They are not nihilists or psychiatric cases or lone wolves. They are devout and ecstatic Muslim fanatics who are waging a war of religion against us.

    Mrs May correctly referred to “Islamist” terrorism. Yet she also said this was a “perversion of Islam”. How can it be a “perversion” when it is solidly rooted in religious texts and theological doctrine validated and endorsed by the world’s most powerful Islamic authorities?

    In his article in The Times, the communities secretary Sajid Javid tied himself up in knots. He rightly said it wasn’t enough for Muslims merely to condemn terror attacks; they must ask themselves “searching questions”, and issue challenges.

    Yet he also said the perpetrators were not “true Muslims” and that it was right to say the attacks were “nothing to do with Islam”. Well if that’s so, why should Muslims need to do anything at all?

    The West views Islam through its own cultural prism, which equates religion with spirituality. The problem is that Islam is as much a political ideology as a source of spiritual guidance.

    In 2010 a German study, which involved intensive questioning of 45,000 Muslim teenagers from 61 towns and regions across the country, found that the more religious they were the more likely they were to become violent.

    Sheikh Mohammad Tawhidi, a Shia cleric in Australia who campaigns against Sunni extremism, has said: “The scriptures are exactly what is pushing these people to behead the infidel. Our books teach the beheading of people.”

    Of course, millions of Muslims don’t subscribe to any of this. Some are merely cultural Muslims who observe no religious practices. Some, such as the Sufis or the Ahmadiyya sect, are pious Muslims who are truly peaceful (and are themselves victims of the Islamists).

    But political, aggressive, jihadist Islam, constrained for so long by both the Ottoman empire and western colonialism, is now dominant once again in the Muslim world. Which is why in 2015 Egypt’s President Sisi remarkably told the imams of Al-Azhar university in Cairo — the epicentre of Islamic doctrinal edicts — that Islam’s corpus of sacred texts was “antagonising the entire world”, that it was “impossible” for 1.6 billion Muslims to “want to kill the rest of the world’s inhabitants”, and so Islam had to have a “religious revolution”.

    We should be promoting and defending such Muslim reformers in the desperate hope that they succeed. Instead we knock the ground from under their feet by saying Islamist attacks have nothing to do with Islam. Until and unless Islam is reformed, we need to treat its practices on a scale ranging from extreme caution to outlawing some of them altogether.

    Mrs May said we need to make people understand that our “pluralistic British values” were “superior to anything offered by the preachers and supporters of hatred”.

    The problem is, though, that Islamists believe their values represent the literal word of God. So to them, no other values can possibly be superior. As a result, you can no more deradicalise them than you could have deradicalised the priests of the Inquisition.

    We must require Muslims to take responsibility for the actions of all in their community. An ICM poll of British Muslims two years ago found that nearly a quarter wanted Sharia to replace British law in areas with large Muslim populations.

    Four per cent — equivalent to more than 100,000 British Muslims — said they were sympathetic to suicide bombers fighting “injustice”.

    In other words, we must see jihadist Islam as at the extreme end of a continuum of beliefs which are themselves incompatible with British society.

    So we shouldn’t just be stopping people coming back to Britain from Syria or Libya, or detaining terrorist suspects through control orders. We should also be closing down radical mosques, deporting those born in other countries who are involved in extremism, stopping foreign funding for Muslim institutions and banning the Muslim Brotherhood.

    We should also outlaw Sharia courts because, since Sharia does not accept the superior authority of secular legislation, it inescapably undermines the core British value of one law for all.

    The message should be that British Muslims are welcome citizens but on the same basis as everyone else: that they subscribe to the binding nature of foundational British laws and values. If not, they will be treated as subversives.

    The chances of any of these measures being taken, though, are slim. There will be inevitable claims that judge-made human rights law, which has often protected the “rights” of extremists rather than their victims, cannot be set aside without “destroying British values”.

    Jihadist terrorists, however, are not trying to divide us, destroy our values or stop the general election. They are trying to kill us and conquer us.

    If it is to defend itself, a liberal society may need to adopt illiberal measures. If we don’t do so now, we’ll be forced to eventually. The only question is how many will have to die before that happens.

  76. 2dogs

    McNair was referring to the religion of Islam, not Muslims as people.

    In answer to Lauren Rosewarne’s questions:

    Am I responsible for the crimes committed by every woman?

    > There is no organisation of women generally.

    Every white person?

    > There is no organisation of white people generally.

    Every atheist?

    > There is no organisation of athesits generally.

    Every academic?

    > Your university is vicariously liable for damages caused if you teach destructive things.

    What personal convictions do I need to renounce out of fear that a ragtag bunch of disenfranchised thugs might watch a Youtube video, misinterpret my beliefs, and decide to fetish our deaths?

    > If evil is being done in your name, change your name.

  77. None

    Brian’s words however, pointed the finger at people 1.6 billion people.

    No they didn’t . They pointed to that lunatic world system known as Islam.

  78. Jessie

    Rabz at 1:10 pm

    BTW, I wouldn’t shed any tears for McNair – his career is effectively over, following this thoughtcrime.
    I remember only too well the appalling treatment of poor ol’ Al Moran for expressing similar wrongthink on the very same topic.
    It’s the sheer blatant, unrelenting hypocrisy that gives me the proverbials.

    Yep, well noted
    As also a few others and their thought crimes.
    And Mervyn Bendle.

  79. iain russell

    1400 years of genocide and other mass murders, invasions, colonisation and slavery. Islamic imperialism. It’s not as if they don’t have form. It’s in all the history books.

  80. Clam Chowdah

    The old question – Am I my brother’s keeper? Unless you have just actually murdered your brother the answer must be “No”.

    Then the answer isn’t the product of deep contemplation. Or perhaps the question is poorly constructed?

    If you are a peaceful member of an ideology that promotes and results in violence, do you share any responsibility? I’d say YES.

  81. Whalehunt Fun

    That there are 1.6 billion muslims just establishes that the task is finite though large. Saying that you have friends who are muslims simply underlines the fact that you have friends who are either liars or murderous psychopathic pedophile mutilators of little girls genitals. If they are not the latter they absolutely can not be a muslim. The behaviours are not optional and they are not negotiable. They are immutable. If they say they are muslims, then demand they recant or support their arrest and deportation or preferably worse. There is no middle ground. There can be no tolerance, no acceptance and no negotiation with anyone claiming to be a muslim.

  82. Bad Samaritan

    Nah. I’ve known dozens of muslims, and none of them could ever be my “friend”. All full of themselves and all very sure they are a superior breed.

    Meanwhile, the facts are that Black Africans have an average IQ of 70-75, and all those Muslims countries in North Africa, Middle east and right across to Asia around 75-80 or so. This means, that like all half-wits, they are very easy to “take advantage of” if you have a mind to.

    OK, so feeble-minded halfwits are told endlessly (six times per day+ more) to kill infidels; that they are very special; that they’ll be going to paradise….and that’s all there is to it. Hundreds of millions of retards being very easily manipulated into becoming ticking time-bombs by the smarter ones among them.

    On the other hand, let’s imagine these retards were taught that they should love their neighbours, do good deeds, try to get to heaven by helping the poor, turn the other cheek….and all that Christian stuff. Well, they might still be just being manipulated by the smarter ones, but it’s easy enough to decide which type of “brainwashing” is less malevolent, eh?

    Islam is the problem. End of story.

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