For violent crime we need to look at life inprison after three strikes


As Andrew Bolt has told it, the Melbourne Brighton Islamist murderer, YACQUB Khayre, had been convicted of over 40 offences.  He was a confirmed recidivist who would always be a burden on society even if locked up for life.  But most of us would prefer this cost (maybe $200,000 a year) rather than having him free to rob and, as it turns out, murder.

Yesterday in Melbourne a man was sentenced to a maximum of 10 years for his latest of 400(!) convictions; four years ago lawyers had got him off a deportation order.

Back in February a 27 year old man from the religion of peace killed his wife in front of their three children. He had wanted to go to fight in Syria and the children had never attended school and only spoke broken English.  “He wanted them to only speak Lebanese, and learn the Koran,”

Andrew’s solution is to keep them out in the first place – surely one that we would all support.  But once they’re in what do we do?  Expel those who have broken the contract and do not support the ideals that they pledged on being made citizens.  For the others, Turnbull’s focus on the clement parole rules are only a minor solution – YACQUB Khayre would have been out in less than a year.

We need longer sentences (and probably less pleasant jail conditions at least for the violent criminals).  “Three Strikes” provides a vehicle to take the most dangerous offenders out of the community and keep them out. This is particularly important in states where prison overcrowding results in early release even for violent criminals.

Under the federal “Three Strikes” provision, which is now codified at 18 U.S.C. §  3559(c), the defendant receives mandatory life imprisonment if he or she:

  • is convicted in federal court of a “serious violent felony” and
  • has two or more prior convictions in federal or state courts, at least one of which is a “serious violent felony.”

Most studies have found the laws, which are in place in some 28 US states, had contributed to diminished crime as a result of its disincentive effect to criminals (and one would guess to having some of the worst criminals off the street)

This would be just one small step to correcting the gross imbalance in our justice system.

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71 Responses to For violent crime we need to look at life inprison after three strikes

  1. Rabz

    But most of us would prefer this cost (maybe $200,000 a year) rather than having him free to rob and, as it turns out, murder.

    Sod that. I’d prefer that he’d never been let into the country in the first place.

  2. Rabz

    And no moozley proselyting in gaols, under any circumstances.

  3. Rabz

    Or proselytising, for that matter.

  4. Eyrie

    Three strikes and you are obviously a waste of oxygen in your present configuration. Organ banks.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    Why do we have to pay to incarcerate these people?

    Much easier to deport them.

    No one in Yemen or Somalia will prevent the RAN landing them on a vacant beach, so long as there is sufficient fire support.

    If need be use an orange lifeboat. They work rather well.

    I’d include anyone in this: Anglos, Polys, Muzzos, whoever, without fear or favour. Exile to Yemen or Somalia would be awesome deterrence for the rest of their community.

  6. jupes

    Andrew’s solution is to keep them out in the first place – surely one that we would all support.

    Well maybe not all of us.

    There’s a serial idiot here who wants to import Qataris and FSA ‘freedom fighters’ into the country.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  7. Confused Old Misfit

    Three Strikes? Just one, only one criminal offense and out you go!
    Immigrants and/or refugees have or should have to maintain a high standard of behaviour in order to prove their worth as potential citizens. Further, if they do not indicate their desire for citizenship, no entry at all!
    (Please, please, don’t send anyone back to Canada in January! Cruel and unusual punishment is that)

  8. Northshore Redneck

    I really do not want my taxes contributing to the upkeep of scumbags that have no hope of changing their ways and will forever be a threat to the rest of us. That makes zero sense and is just taking the piss.

    I’d broaden it to include life-timer non-violent crime too. Those that live a life of petty crime, that wont ever change until they die.

    Strike out and you have to pay to stay.

    If you get a short sentence for a petty crime, you or someone that cares for you pays for your stay in jail. If you struck out due to violent crime, someone that cares for you pays for your lifetime stay in jail, where you can no longer hurt anyone.

    If there is nobody left who gives cares to and can afford to cover your incarceration costs, you cannot stay. You get death by volunteer citizen firing squad.

    If that offends snowflakes too much, find some desolate remote island off our coast and dump them there. They are free to embrace their uncivilized ways and try to survive without any assistance. If they try to escape they make excellent target practice for the Navy.

    Our compassion and kindness is being exploited by all and making us weak and unsafe. It needs to change.

  9. Robber Baron

    The British had a novel idea a few centuries back…transportation to a penal colony. Old ideas are worthy of consideration.

  10. Eyrie

    Nowadays to be equivalent we’d have to exile them to Mars.

  11. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The British had a novel idea a few centuries back…transportation to a penal colony. Old ideas are worthy of consideration.

    I’m sure we could do a deal with the Russians to lease a gulag somewhere.

  12. Shy Ted

    Add a few more questions to the referendum. Death penalty? Islamic migration ban? (would be a great loss of the any skilled workers), euthanasia? abortion? aboriginal recognition? SSM? ABC defunding? ad infinitum

  13. a happy little debunker

    Mandatory detention in sentencing overrules the judges discretion to apply social situations in sentencing.

    So the question is do our politicians have the conviction to determine socially acceptable mandatory sentencing outcomes or do our Judges have the wherewithal to apply sentencing in line with common law?

    Despite not liking the legal profession, I must admit I would defer to the common law practitioners rather than political will (or lack thereof) of pollies any day.

    How about you?

  14. Tim Neilson

    and probably less pleasant jail conditions at least for the violent criminals

    In theory this is unimpeachable.

    But I’ve got a friend who is a corrective services officer and him and people like him would bear the brunt of this, unless the crims were restrained in a way tantamount to treating them worse than animals…

    What am I saying? It is unimpeachable.

  15. tgs

    It costs a hell of a lot to lock people up.

    I would much prefer taking back the judiciary from left-wing activists rather than imposing mandatory minimums but that’s probably a tall order.

  16. DM OF WA

    As usual wrong! As I wrote before:

    The criminalising and medicalising of acts of Islamic terror by our deluded
    political elite is a useless distraction. The root cause of the campaign of brutal
    murder of innocent civilians is our naïve belief in multiculturalism which
    welcomes immigration of totally incompatible Third World savages.

    Even if Islamic State is defeated jihad against us will continue unabated. There
    will never be a shortage of Third World Moslems with a grievance a desire to
    behead infidels.

  17. .

    I’d broaden it to include life-timer non-violent crime too. Those that live a life of petty crime, that wont ever change until they die.

    Sure, lock people up for life for stealing shit like newspapers, copper wire or a bottle of hooch?

    What backwards arse nonsense is this blog supporting?

  18. Northshore Redneck

    Pretty clear that I was talking about scumbag career criminals dot, after striking out on their chances for rehab and to not be a piece of shit.

    Is it your idea of liberty that people can spend a life stealing from others, sometimes get a short stint in jail at our expense, get out and repeat umpteen times? Where would you draw the line?

    Does those that come in and pay your 50k migration fee get endless chances?

    You idiot.

  19. Roger

    Prevent the problem arising in the first instance through immigration restrictions. Other than that, we must look at revocation of citizenship/residency and deportation rather then a three strikes rule, which raises problems in itself in regard to the wider administration of justice. It’s either that or internment, in an offshore/remote venue, preferably. And cancel the refugee immigration program and put the savings into foreign aid.

  20. Procrustes

    The case for mandatory sentencing is less clear cut than Alan suggests.

    There are perverse incentive effects. In the US there is evidence of crims with 2 strikes escalating their criminal activity from less violent to more violent (eg lethal) as facing a life sentence for even a small offence means they might as well go the whole hog.

    Sending three time losers away for a long time costs a lot, may not be much of a deterrent and just sends many of them to “University”.

    A report by the California auditor (2009) estimated that the 43,500 inmates incarcerated under their three-strikes law cost the state $19 billion in additional expenses.

    It’d be nice to quickly deport the likes of Khayre but even that faces an uphill battle from the bleeding hearts.

  21. Captain Crunch

    There is something wrong with the system. Last year I was on a jury which found a non resident Chinese man guilty of rape. It was a pretty harrowing time. Once the verdict was delivered we were excused. Since then it has been impossible to find out what sentence was handed down. No media coverage. Nothing.

  22. Clam Chowdah

    Also, the remains of any person who commits an Islamic terrorist act should be buried in a vat of pigs blood. That’ll discourage the little shitheels.

  23. Habib

    I’d reckon a one-way ticket to Puntland would’ve worked out way cheaper. In fact a couple of charters would be way less, and would amply satisfy cost-revovery principles if they were full up.

    The only protection visas that should be available should be temporary ones, which are cancelled immediately through any misdemenour. Also no welfare/medicare/education entitlement.

  24. john constantine

    The only time that extremely harsh fixed punishment works ,is in a hostage or kidnap situation.

    Harm a hostage or kidnap victim, life in jail.

    Kill a hostage or kidnap victim and death penalty.

    Only way out is to be the member of the gang that informs on or physically deals with the others and ‘saves’ the victims.

    The future of Australian crime is the big money spinner from the third world, kidnapping soft targets from wealthy families.

  25. Leo G

    But once they’re in what do we do? Expel those who have broken the contract and do not support the ideals that they pledged on being made citizens.

    For every potential murderer, there are thousands who do not support those ideals. They are unlikely to commit crimes but more likely to discriminate against other citizens.
    If there are too many, then we can no longer expect communities of citizens with common interests and linked by collective activity. It would effectively mean disintegration of civil society.
    Unfortunately, that is our heading.

  26. Warty

    We’ll perhaps get there, drip by drip, only to find that even these measures don’t deal with the fundamental problem of living with a ‘fifth column’ in our midst.
    When Bronwyn Bishop and Peta Credlin show the balls to tell us we are at war, then we have to turn our minds to what we do when we are literally at war: intern the whole bloody lot of them, and put aside civil rights for the perpetrators and consider, as a priority, the needs of the victims.
    At present we cannot conceive of this, but it will come, but only after terrorist attack after terrorist attack, at which point a Peta Credlin or a Bronwyn Bishops will say ‘enough is enough’.
    The rest of us are kidding ourselves.

  27. Whalehunt Fun

    It is all so simple. Establish an inqusition. The inquisition arrives in your suburb. You may appear and accuse your neighbours of terrorist leanings and they are tortured to a confession, recant their religion and are executed as Christians. If any one from your suburb is found to have terrorist leanings and you had not prior accused them, then you are guilty and are tortured et cetera.
    The result will be people fighting to get to the inqusitor to accuse their every neighbour of every tiny sign of islamic leaning. All at no significant cost to the taxpayer.
    Islam will become extinct and we will all be better off.

  28. Whalehunt Fun

    Also, the remains of any person who commits an Islamic terrorist act should be buried in a vat of pigs blood. That’ll discourage the little shitheels.

    An unpleasant practice was to gut the criminal and gut a pig. The viscera of the pig were sewn into the prisoner and those of the prisoner sewn into the pig. The two were then cremated.

    Other practices involved severing the genitalia and forcing them into the throat of the still somewhat alive prisoner.

    There are many such practices to choose from. The issue of dealing with undesirables has long exercised the thoughts of man.

  29. Nowadays to be equivalent we’d have to exile them to Mars.

    Not necessary. Choice of deportation to wherever they nominate, that will have them, or exile with a free airline ticket to southern Libya.

    Problem solved.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not necessary. Choice of deportation to wherever they nominate, that will have them, or exile with a free airline ticket to southern Libya.

    I’m beginning to adjust to this idea of “exile.” Find some Third World shytehole that will accept said exiles – preferably a country where their religion can be praised at it’s most pure form – pay said country to accept them, and never ever, but ever, re admit them to Australia.

  31. I’m beginning to adjust to this idea of “exile.”
    Find some Third World shytehole that will accept said exiles

    I’ve already told you – Southern Libya.

    Mohomed Mahamed Alli is convicted of serious crimes here in Oz.
    MMA holds dual citizenship to Australia and Iran (just like the 4300+ evicted but stayed by the AAT).
    MMA is offered the deportation/exile choice.
    MMA opts for deportation and an appeal to the AAT.
    Long before MMA’s appeal to the AAT comes up, he is exiled to Southern Libya.
    Legally, MMA is perfectly entitled to pursue his appeal to the AAT from Libya.
    Unfortunately, MMA is never seen or heard of again**, so his appeal eventually lapses.

    —————————-
    FOOTNOTE:
    The Muslims running the show in Southern Libya have a very organised slave trade operating, where Muslims from south of Libya, heading north to migrate to Europe, end up in ME Muslim countries as slave labour/sex slaves. They prize English speaking, Islam-believing recruits.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I’ve already told you – Southern Libya.

    So, using your example, MMA gets sold into slavery in South Libya – does the Australian Government get some kickback for supplying his sorry ar$e , or do we let the South Libyans keep the lot?

  33. does the Australian Government get some kickback for supplying his sorry ar$e

    Don’t be silly, Zulu. That would make Australia complicit in slave trading.
    Better to offer the locals $10,000 a head “resettlement costs”.
    We could write it off against our humanitarian aid obligations.

  34. Mark A

    memoryvault
    #2406434, posted on June 8, 2017 at 11:16 pm
    Not necessary. Choice of deportation to wherever they nominate, that will have them, or exile with a free airline ticket to southern Libya.

    Problem solved.

    You’d be surprised how quickly they could return to the home country once outside Australia, even if the home country refused to accept them from here.

  35. You’d be surprised how quickly they could return to the home country once outside Australia, even if the home country refused to accept them from here.

    Not my problem, Mark.
    Accept deportation and your Australian passport is cancelled. You don’t come back.
    Appeal, get exiled to Southern Libya, and disappear. You don’t come back.
    Problem solved either way.

    Time for bed.

  36. Mooka

    If voluntary euthanasia is good enough for our old people, involuntary euthanasia is fine for our unborn
    then I propose that voluntary euthanasia should be made available to our prison population.
    The cost savings would be huge and the amount of re offending would drop.

  37. A Lurker

    We need longer sentences (and probably less pleasant jail conditions at least for the violent criminals). “Three Strikes” provides a vehicle to take the most dangerous offenders out of the community and keep them out. This is particularly important in states where prison overcrowding results in early release even for violent criminals.

    Just drop repeat violent offenders in the Indian Ocean sans parachute.

  38. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The only humane solution to islam is to deport the lot. They will forever be a 5th column looking to take over by the womb or by the sword.

  39. Up The Workers!

    I support the proposition that the bodies of any dead terrorist, such as the Muslim who murdered the innocent man at Brighton, NOT be returned to his family under any circumstances, but be given a good, respectful, CHRISTIAN funeral, followed by cremation and, in the interests of environmental sustainability, his ashes should then be spread in the food-trough of the prison pig sty.

    I wonder how many of his devout, courageous fellow-parishioners would be busting a gut to follow him then?

    I hear that those 72 x 1,400-year-old virgins are not too partial to having sex in such circumstances.

  40. stackja

    Police counter terror raids in Melbourne’s north
    Genevieve Alison, Herald Sun
    9 minutes ago
    COUNTER terrorism officers are conducting an operation in Melbourne’s north.

    Officers are searching bins in Ascot Vale, according to a caller to 3AW.

    Victoria Police confirmed they are conducting an operation with the Joint Counter Terrorism Team.

  41. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Anabel Schunke: “jihad is the real islam”

  42. I am missing a few things, before 3 strikes and out.
    Let public safety and security agencies use risk-based/ profiling to identify troublespots.
    Under what conditions could a dual national lose their Australian citizenship, and then be deported?
    No religious use of any public buildings or spaces.
    Split charity and religious arms, tax the latter like any org.
    A levy …, as in polluter pays, to fund not just the justice system, but more SAS to be able to go out with armed police, when needed.
    Proceeds of crime legislation for clusters of trouble/ abuse.

  43. Mother Lode

    Look, I can’t sit idle while I see so much victim blaming going on.

    Why everyone is so determined to blame the so-called ‘criminal’ (a very pejorative word that makes them sound guilty of something) is easy enough to understand, but not accept.

    Anyone who has made the slightest study of political studies and neo-progressive-social theory cannot help but grasp that thousands of people sitting at home ‘obeying’ ‘the law’ are far more responsible for a ‘criminal act’ than the poor hapless innocent who knows that act is illegal and that, if they do it anyway then they will be arrested and locked up.

    Thank God for our enlightened judges and politicians, who are seized of this nuance, and make sure as many resources are righteously removed from ordinary people to be disposed upon the poor ‘criminal’ class.

    What is most infuriating is that ordinary people still won’t own up to their culpability, no matter how much their property is confiscated by the enlightened ones.

  44. Diogenes

    I’m beginning to adjust to this idea of “exile.”

    Evacuate the AAD from Macquarie Island, demolish & remove the building there. Airdrop (winch down from a chopper hovering at 10m, cut the winch cable) the crims there and just supply them with a weekly airdrop (parachuted) of food and clothing – enough for population at minimum required calorie/ nutrient content to maintain life. Patrol around to make sure no boats or aircraft approach.

  45. Diogenes

    further to my last – guards , boats, planes etc could be based out of Bishop & Clerk Islets

  46. mark

    Letting people in is one thing. Granting them citizenship is quite another. The Swiss have the right idea in relation to citizenship. Providing refuge and granting citizenship need to be separated.

  47. A Lurker

    Evacuate the AAD from Macquarie Island, demolish & remove the building there. Airdrop (winch down from a chopper hovering at 10m, cut the winch cable) the crims there and just supply them with a weekly airdrop (parachuted) of food and clothing – enough for population at minimum required calorie/ nutrient content to maintain life. Patrol around to make sure no boats or aircraft approach.

    I suspect that there would be vulnerable plants and wildlife on Macquarie Island that might be at risk from the detainees. A better place to exile them would be Heard Island. Besides, there is an upside, the active volcano there would keep the inmates nice and warm.

  48. Suburban Boy

    Three-strikes is a good idea – but it needs to be applied with care or you end up with the absurd (and cruel) situation that sometimes arises in the US, where three petty crimes result in a lifetime in gaol.

    The Government should have power to strip citizenship from anyone (dual national or not) who commits terrorism offences or supports nations or organisations that are de facto enemies of Australia or the West in general. And deportation would follow from that, at least where it was in any way practicable (where it’s not practicable, Heard Island for life).

    But echoing many other comments in this thread, the first line of defence must be to exclude any new migration from countries and religions of concern (read:”Muslims”).

  49. Boambee John

    Roger

    All costs of our “refugee” program should be included in the foreign aid program, including costs of Centrelink programs and incarceration.

    We would have the biggest foreign aid program in the world, but highlighting the costs in this way would put pressure on politicians to sort tgemselves out.

  50. Boambee John

    And Medicare costs.

  51. .

    Is it your idea of liberty that people can spend a life stealing from others, sometimes get a short stint in jail at our expense, get out and repeat umpteen times? Where would you draw the line?

    Yes, to be blunt. MAYBE THEY SHOULDN’T GET SUCH SHORT SENTENCES. MAYBE YOU SHOULD START BLAMING MPs WHO APPOINT THEIR POLITICAL MATES TO THE BENCH. Instead of going nuts and demanding life sentences for anyone committing their third serious indictable offence, of any kind.

    Life imprisonment for property crime is ridiculous. That is what we do to murderers. Are you saying you value your (probably insured) car equally to your life?

    Putting someone away for life because they got caught drug trafficking marijuana three times is a stupid, stupid idea. We’re on the verge of making it quasi legal.

    Does those that come in and pay your 50k migration fee get endless chances?

    You get no chances with that. Read the policy before you try to be a smartarse.

  52. Northshore Redneck

    Putting someone away for life because they got caught drug trafficking marijuana three times is a stupid, stupid idea. We’re on the verge of making it quasi legal.

    My intent was to apply a strike-out policy to career criminals that weren’t captured by a 3 strike violent felony policy.

    I dont think 3 petty crimes warrants a strike out, however to be fair that wasn’t clear in my post.

    Where to draw that line is a very interesting question that I do not actually have the answer to. Is it 10 petty crimes? 50? Your example of dealing dope is a tough one as even I would argue it is largely victim-less.

    But say it’s breaking a window and stealing a telly. Pretty minor crime in the scheme of things. But getting a window replaced and a new telly could cost 2k which isnt a minor sum to the victim.

    How many passes does a person get before we say enough is enough? 10, 15, 20, 30….?

    I dont know that there is an adequate answer to this question. Would I advocate killing a person who had smashed and grabbed their tenth telly? Probably not. But how is it different to stealing a second time, or a hundredth time? There is no distinction of value.

    Draw a line in the sand somewhere – call it 10 petty crimes for the sake of argument, Perhaps fear of real and lethal consequences would aid as a deterrent. If not, at least you are removing scumbags that do not respect us or our property, and therefore do not deserve our consideration or compassion.

    Harsh, but what other option is there? Endless forgiving and acceptance of crime?

    Dont let your good values make you a weak doomlord-banned-word.

    *I will agree that victim-less crimes should not count towards my so called strike-out count.

  53. .

    Draw a line in the sand somewhere – call it 10 petty crimes for the sake of argument, Perhaps fear of real and lethal consequences would aid as a deterrent. If not, at least you are removing scumbags that do not respect us or our property, and therefore do not deserve our consideration or compassion.

    You don’t want to live in a society like that. We should respect human life primarily.

    You just need to stop habitual judges and magistrates giving lenient sentences for repeat offenders.

  54. Northshore Redneck

    You don’t want to live in a society like that. We should respect human life primarily.

    You just need to stop habitual judges and magistrates giving lenient sentences for repeat offenders.

    I agree with all your statements, I do NOT want to live in a society like that.

    Sadly, that is the society we now live in. People that do not share our values, whether they be career criminals or islamist fascists, continue to take the complete mickey out of our compassionate system that values life and goals of rehabilitation.

    Is not our goal of liberty to live and let live?

    In the days of the founders they’d just shoot those that would infringe on someone’s liberty. Hard to argue with that in principle, so how to we apply that to current norms?

    What we have is very very broken.

  55. .

    We were a military prison camp. I think we can do better than that or what we have now. It isn’t binary.

  56. Combine Dave

    This is silly.

    The death penalty is the clear libertarian solution for serious crimes.

    Look at the savings on the public purse!

  57. Combine Dave

    From third world crap holes like Indonesia to First world heavens like Japan, more countries than not have the death penalty.

    Don’t be like Dot.

    Don’t be on the wrong side of history.

  58. .

    There is nothing wrong with the death penalty per se.

    No way should we have it in Australia. Majority jury verdicts. Hell no.

    I actually believe in a limited application of the death penalty. For certain crimes – treason, terrorism, piracy and aggravated murder. Not constructive murder. Unanimous verdicts. Compulsory affirmation by Court of Appeal (unanimous). Announced at start of trial to ask for death penalty. Compulsory checks for mental illness. Not for minors. Not to be used where there is contrition.

  59. Combine Dave

    I actually believe in a limited application of the death penalty. For certain crimes – treason, terrorism, piracy and aggravated murder. Not constructive murder. Unanimous verdicts. Compulsory affirmation by Court of Appeal (unanimous). Announced at start of trial to ask for death penalty. Compulsory checks for mental illness. Not for minors. Not to be used where there is contrition.

    This kind of slippery slope of cuckedness leads to the Adrian Bayleys, Yacqub Khayre’s and Monis’ of the world to roam free and pillage the innocent at will.

    Not good.

  60. .

    Dave

    Deterrence doesn’t work if enough wrong people get locked up or executed. Community protection arguments certainly cannot be made. It certainly isn’t retribution either.

  61. Combine Dave

    You commit a mass murder or multiple pedo attacks and bam if convicted by a majority jury verdict = death penalty.

    Compulsory checks for mental illness.

    FFS dot that would merely result in every prep grabbing a med cert that they were bad shit insane and bam freedom.

    If you have a mental illness but are weirdly still mentally competent enough to engage in a mass sexual assault, terrorism attack or mass murder than = death penalty should be still apply

  62. Northshore Redneck

    This kind of slippery slope of cuckedness leads to the Adrian Bayleys, Yacqub Khayre’s and Monis’ of the world to roam free and pillage the innocent at will.

    Point well made.

    We’re debating other solutions as the current system results in innocent folk receiving lead poisoning and being dead.

    Dot is stuck in utopia not reality.

  63. .

    Majority jury verdicts and executing insane people. Locking up petty thieves for life.

    No thank you.

  64. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not to be used where there is contrition.

    I should imagine that the thought of the eight o’clock walk to the gallows, or the receipt of eight bullets at short range (what method do you favor , by the way?) should produce an immediate degree of contrition beyond belief.

  65. Combine Dave

    Dave

    Deterrence doesn’t work if enough wrong people get locked up or executed

    Strangely reoffending rates are low for crims who have received such a penalty. If some perps were missed there’s no doubt that seeing their compatriots recieve justice would have a deterrent effect.

    If new evidence comes to light that other accomplices were involved there’s no reason not to sly on them.neededthem too.

  66. .

    I agree Zulu. You don’t get contrition if you’re a serial killer after the fact and you plead not guilty.

  67. .

    Strangely reoffending rates are low for crims who have received such a penalty.

    Sure, but what happens to criminals who see someone else take a fall for them?

  68. Combine Dave

    Sure, but what happens to criminals who see someone else take a fall for them?

    Over come by a strong feeling or mortality (and gets offd next time)

  69. .

    Woeful consequentialist nonsense.

  70. Combine Dave

    It works everywhere it’s tried.

    Weird.

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