Fake news and fake replies from their ABC

A few weeks ago I put some requests for information from the ABC. The have replied.

My first question:

On Q&A guest Lawrence Krauss made the following statement, “You’re more right (sic) likely to be killed by a refrigerator, in the United States, falling on you” in relation to the probability of being killed in a terrorist attack. Can you provide any peer reviewed evidence in support of that statement?

The reply:

Thank you for watching Q&A and thank you for getting in touch.

I subsequently asked Professor Krauss about his comment and he admitted to making a mistake. He should not have singled out refrigerators and referred, instead, to large items of household furniture in general. He added that, had he known how popular vending machines were in Australia, he would have made reference to the number of people crushed each year by vending machines in the US.

He told me he was referring to an article he had seen in a newspaper or magazine, he couldn’t remember which one. His comment was essentially a conversational add-on to comments made by data journalist Mona Chalabi who has analysed the likelihood of death by terror in the US and found it to be very small. Despite this there is considerable public anxiety on the subject, in the same way that people fear death by shark attack or airline crash even though the chances are remote.

I was unaware that vending machines are particularly  popular in Australia. It seems to me, however, that there is no peer reviewed evidence to support the argument the statement reported on the ABC.

My second question:

On Q&A host Tony Jones makes this claim, “I mean, I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman”. Can you provide peer review evidence of the factual accuracy of that claim?

The reply:

Tony Jones’s comment in the May 22 episode was a reflection of the statistical fact that more young African-American males die as a result of police shootings than die in America by acts of Islamicist terror, and followed a discussion by other panel members about how unlikely it was for Americans to die in a terrorist attack on home soil.

Tony’s comment was prompted by the fact that the panellist he was addressing, Paul Beattie, is an African-American whose Booker-winning novel The Sellout has the police shooting of an African-American as a major part of its narrative. That’s why Tony made that reference, though it was probably not obvious to those who haven’t read Paul’s book.

I am not aware of a peer-review process that operates within the world of journalism, except for the Walkley Awards.

So it appears that Tony Jones is exonerated from making factual statement because he is a Walkley award winner, and was speaking to (or about – it isn’t clear from the email) to an African American who has written a novel about police shootings.  To remind readers here is the full quote:

TONY JONES
Now, I want to bring in our other panellists. I mean, I suppose, if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman.

As far as I can see Tony Jones was not a reflection of the statistical fact that more young African-American males die as a result of police shootings than die in America by acts of Islamicist terror – he was making a general point that was false.

Furthermore – the book being referred to is a novel – a piece of fiction. To be clear, outside of ABC-land novels are made up stories.

So fake news from the ABC and lies to cover up the fake news.

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43 Responses to Fake news and fake replies from their ABC

  1. struth

    They are laughing at you Sinc.
    Smug fuckers eh?

  2. Mike of Marion

    Sinclair,
    They would have treated your request with contempt.

    They have responded in a manner that would seem to portray – “don’t bother to put the spotlight on us!”

    “We are untouchable”

  3. Craig

    They are taking the piss Sinc and you know it. Smug fuckwads who couldn’t care for your complaint and it shows.

    Did you expect anything less?

  4. Habib

    Since when has lying been an issue on their ABC? Start with their own claims of relevance, accuracy, balance and audience share, and work back.

  5. entropy

    thing is, the ABC is expanding and growing, extra channels etc. just the thing to put smaller commercial broadcasters under pressure, like channel 10.

  6. ar

    They’re taking the piss.

  7. OldOzzie

    entropy
    #2412673, posted on June 14, 2017 at 7:52 pm
    thing is, the ABC is expanding and growing, extra channels etc. just the thing to put smaller commercial broadcasters under pressure, like channel 10.

    Entropy, like Channel 10, I cannot see the other Commercial Channels surviving.

    I, after Zonks years with Optus Foxtel, am about to drop Optus Foxtel – full Platinum with 2 IQ sets, and have gone with 2 Fetch Mighty Boxes, kids have Apple TV, and we are sharing Netflix and Stan subscriptions, cheapest $6 Fetch Subscription,with youtube and all other sources, Internet etc, live Commercial TV becomes irrelevant.

    All we need then is for Liberal/Some Conservative Party to grow some Cojones and sell/privatise ABC (ALP/Greens TV Station) and SBS.

  8. JMH

    Sinclair, I hope you intend taking this disgusting treatment of your enquiries a little further.

  9. Delta A

    I’m sure this is pretty much the response you expected. Well done for trying. At least it made someone in that $1.2bn boondoggle get off his but and look busy for a while.

  10. Token

    Wow, lucky all taxpayers are forced to fund this channel. Imagine if Australians were forced to live without it.

  11. candy

    Prof D, they are enjoying laughing at your questions.

    Never mind. Most people if they ever heard of Tony JOnes and his refrigerator comments would find him a weirdo, because the public are frightened of terrorists. They are not frightened of fridges.

    In fact, Tony JOnes is making light of those terrible deaths in England. Don’t fret over the ABC.
    There may be a half a million people who love it but that would be the 10% Green voters, a very elite group of Australians indeed.

  12. Sparkle Motion

    Running the vending machine denial agenda now I see.

  13. Rabz

    he admitted to making a mistake

    Perfesser Krauss’s very existence is a mistake.

  14. Rabz

    if you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman

    No, you monumental f*ckwwit, you’re more likely to be killed by another “young black American”.

    FFS, these infernal j’ism spouting, tax hoovering imbeciles give me the proverbials.

    Altogether now, folks:

    Shut. It. Down.

    Fire. Them. All.

  15. struth

    Sinclair is not you Rabz.
    They know that.

  16. DaveR

    So you asked questions to justify the sources of statements. The responses were all such that they couldn’t be justified. Step two. Ask the ABC to issue retractions of these unjustified statements. Unless somebody takes it right to the end, they will just continue doing it.

  17. H B Bear

    Being a co-op means never having to say you are sorry. Unity is strength.

  18. For pure trolling, they get 7/10, but considering they are taking the piss on our dime, it’s -7/10.

    The fridge analogy should be encouraged at every opportunity, so that eventually the opportunity will arise to own them live on national television.

    The problem is that the left regularly say things so gobsmacking that any reasonable person is unlikely to be able to respond in the following seconds.

    Hence, the Rabz doctrine.

  19. Pedro the Ignorant

    Rabz the fucking lot of them.

    Except for the Country Hour.

  20. Sinclair, I hope you intend taking this disgusting treatment of your enquiries a little further.

    Escalate. Always escalate.

  21. jupes

    I subsequently asked Professor Krauss about his comment and he admitted to making a mistake.

    To the person investigating Sinc’s complaint. That’s it. Snowcone didn’t read out Krauss’ apology during the next program did he.

    They are laughing at you Professor Davidson.

  22. Andrew

    When I submitted my question about their FakeNews, I asked the specific questions
    – Is the claim true?
    – And if not, will TheirABC be making a retraction of equal prominence to correct the misapprehension?

    Easy to say “It was a mistake – we meant all household appliances” (more bullshit – where are the 4000 deaths) – not as easy to say “…and we will not be correcting our FakeNews.” So they haven’t yet responded to my enquiry.

  23. LGS

    Many on the Left who are so outraged about Roger Franklin’s completely hypothetical ABC bombing by terrorists, are the same people who cheered on the two masked thugs who actually attacked Andrew Bolt.
    Some even wish that Bolt had suffered serious harm, as comments on The Guardian website forum shows.
    Some had the gall to condemn Bolt for defending himself – a middle-aged man against two masked young thugs – and asked why Bolt wasn’t facing charges of assault!
    If the Left didn’t have double standards, they would have none.

  24. john constantine

    Their abc country hour led the charge to shut down the Australian cattle industry and thus the entire Australian red meat industry.

    Their abc country hour in the back office are occupied by meat dodging Stalinist wymynsys vegynsys.

    Meat-free Mondays, Comrades.

    Their abc country hour gave us the Stalinist mp in Indi right now.

  25. john constantine

    If you are a young black American serving in the military, you would be aware of the lines of headstones in Arlington cemetary and graveyards all over the Land of the Free where young, black americans have been blown up by roadside bombs on patrol or mutilated in their peacekeeping barracks in Lebanon.

    The abc of course simply are blind to the sort of young black men serving their country, the abc mentality only pictures boys with dark skin as their servants, or protestors in the streets.

    Our racism isn’t racism, Comrades, we are the abc.

  26. All we need then is for Liberal/Some Conservative Party to grow some Cojones and sell/privatise ABC (ALP/Greens TV Station) and SBS.

    They should grow a brain as well.
    The strategy should be to spend 12 months getting the best price for the sale of Their ABC and in that time fill all shows with conservatives. Get the current “talent” to do 12 months of investigative research in Koo Wee Rup and Alice Springs.

  27. Gavin R Putland

    Clarification, please. The second claim to be criticized is that a young black American is more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist. Is Prof. Davidson’s position that

    (a) the claim is false, or

    (b) the claim is true, and therefore Jones must have meant something else?

  28. Seco

    So the ABC is taking the piss? Why wouldn’t they when the “potentially great” PM is a Friend of the ABC.

  29. stackja

    ‘fake news from the ABC and lies to cover up the fake news.’

    Typical ABC! More “Ashbolt’s kindergarten”

  30. Baldrick

    And what has Communications Minister Mitch Fifield said? Nothing.
    And what did Communications Minister Mitch Fifield say about the Quadrant article? Plenty.

    Rabz TheirABC fuckers and the Stupid.Fucking.Liberal.Party while they’re at it.

  31. john constantine

    The number of young black men murdered by left wing militia crime gangs in democrat hellhole cities in america has been suggested to be on the increase, since their black lives matter militia took to the streets to push the police out of young black militia controlled ‘No Go Zones’.

    The agenda jonestown was pushing seems to be responsible for more dead people.

    What about this chain of responsibility thing?.

  32. notaluvvie

    As for Mr Jones comment about being killed by a policeman here are some statements from the website fivethirtyeight.com, which is not known for its conservative point of view:

    From 2010 through 2012, the annual rate of homicide deaths among non-Hispanic white Americans was 2.5 per 100,000 persons, meaning that about one in every 40,000 white Americans is a homicide victim each year. By comparison, the rate of homicide deaths among non-Hispanic black Americans is 19.4 per 100,000 persons, or about 1 in 5,000 people per year.

    Black Americans are almost eight times as likely as white ones to be homicide victims, in other words

    The 2013 FBI Uniform Crime Report, a compilation of annual crime statistics, also shows similar data: 83 percent of white victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.

    Given those stats it would seem blacks have a higher rate of intra-racial murders than just being shot by police. Now why would they be shot by police in the first place? Might it have something to do with higher crime rates?

    No point you complaining to your local member or even the Minster responsible, they won’t do anything to offend Their ALPBC, which would then use our resources to campaign against them.

  33. Roger

    Jones’s statement re the rate of police shootings of black men may be correct, but what point is he trying to make?

    That American police randomly shoot black males?

    Because they are racist, presumably?

    Could the gun obsessed violent sub-culture many black males subscribe to have anything to do with it?

    And what about black policemen shooting black males? Are they racist too?

  34. littledozer

    Vending machines have been responsible for 37 deaths in the US since 1978 so Krauss even if he got his story in order had the devastating figure of 1 death per year on average. Televisions was likely the appliance his pea brain was searching for.

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/58235/11-mundane-objects-are-statistically-deadlier-sharks

  35. boy on a bike

    It’s worth mentioning that most vending machine deaths are caused by users deliberately tipping them in order to dislodge food or drinks. So vending machines kill idiots doing stupid things.

  36. iain russell

    Quelle surprise. Root and crop, the ABC needs to be ousted and outed, root and crop.

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    The alpbc should ‘ be ashamed of its untrue propaganda for the u.n.communists ,back in the USSR no one ever accused Pravda and Izvestia of this behaviour ,they knew what happened if you did . This rotten democracy ,you cant tell the news you invented without critics attacking you .

  38. Chris

    Remember the mantra of the leftist hatebot pursuing gun control – If it saves just one life its worth it!

  39. Sydney Boy

    If you’re a young black American, you’re more likely to be killed by policeman.

    No, you monumental f*ckwwit, you’re more likely to be killed by another “young black American”.

    I’m with Rabz. meanwhile, a consensus of 97% of ABC supporters believe …

  40. cohenite

    The ABC toys with complaints; I have been involved with many about its treatment/promotion of alarmism. And recently beliaik recounted his experiences at this site. I firmly believe the abc is the primary reason why Australia is fucked. It is a taxpayer funded hard left activist organisation; it has cowered all conservative voices at a political level and that should be the primary concern at any election by any thinking voter: that is, which candidate is going to destroy the abc.

  41. Beliaik

    A young black American male being killed by a US police officer is odds-on a criminal.

    ISIS don’t go around policing criminals in the US. It’s a strawman argument.

  42. john constantine

    Their turnfailure is their abc sockpuppet, only julie bishop-mugabe might take their abc blessing over him, but they would hate her even as they blessed her.

    It will truly hurt their abc to replace their turnfailure with the shorten they loathe and despise, but they will do it, because that is the Will of Stalin.

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