Member of the American Congress shot

The main headings at Drudge:

MEMBER OF CONGRESS SHOT
SCALISE IN STABLE
‘WE WERE SITTING DUCKS’ TRAIL OF BLOOD
GUNMAN: ‘KILL AS MANY REPUBLICANS AS POSSIBLE’

And these are the minor ones:

Gunman opens fire at congressional baseball practice…
High-Powered Rifle; More than 50 shots fired…
‘Are Those Republicans or Democrats Out There?’
Kept unloading and reloading…
VIDEO…
SHOOTER NAMED…
“It’s time to Destroy Trump and Co.”
Capitol Police prevented massacre…
Security tightened at White House…
HILL ON EDGE…
Left-Wing TWITTER Celebrates…

And from that final story:

No sooner did news break that a gunman shot Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) were left-wing Twitter users celebrating the attack — in which two Capitol Police were also shot, as well as a congressional staffer, and possibly more.

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156 Responses to Member of the American Congress shot

  1. Robber Baron

    You are on your own. We are seeing the re-run of the tactics of the 1930’s Nazi Germany. Thugs and useful idiots doing the heavy lifting for the elites.

    The back-lash will be epic. Blow-back will be breath-taking. It is war. There can be no doubt.

  2. J.H.

    This is what happens when you have stupid Democrat “Progressives” running around making plays about assassinating Trump or holding up faux beheadings of Trump.

    When you condone political violence, even in “jest”, it is sending messages to the extremists out there that violence is the answer.

    It’s time to come down like a ton of bricks on those who are promoting political violence.

  3. struth

    I’m surprised Trump has lasted so long.

    The dark ages aren’t far off now.

  4. Tom

    So, after seven months of 24/7 Impeach TrumpHitler hysterics from Wapo and the NYT, a Bernie-for-prez Democrat loonball has bought the propaganda and tries to “kill as many Republicans as possible”. Of course the scum at Wapo and NYT have blood on their hands.

    But they will not stop. They are insane. They don’t care if they destroy their own companies in their Get Trump jihad.

    And inciting homicidal DNC loonballs was always an inevitable consequence.

  5. rickw

    The insanity of The Left, from those that incite the violence to those that carry it out.

  6. anonandon

    The left and islam are difficult to tell apart.

  7. RobK

    Think vending machines.

  8. Beliaik

    This was originally published on modernconservative.com but that site has disappeared. Now found here – http://www.tobytoons.com/td/left-wing-assassins.html

    Guns don’t kill presidents, Democrats do.

    Politically motivated presidential assassinations come from only one side of the political spectrum.

    By Christopher Cook

    Sara Jane Moore, who attempted to assassinate President Ford, has been released from prison.

    The caption under her photo reads…

    “Sara Jane Moore, shown here in a photo from 1975, said she was blinded by her radical political views at the time, convinced that the government had declared war on the left.”

    We have been pointing out for a long time that political violence is part of the left’s stock and trade, and that political violence perpetrated by Republicans is almost non-existent.**

    With that in mind, the news of Sara Jane Moore’s release—and a recognition of her motive and political identity—got me to thinking. Of our list of presidential assassins and would-be assassins, what were their political persuasions and motivations?

    In the interests of time, I have chosen to use Wikipedia as my first source. Wikipedia has a few problems with both bias and reliability, but if you know how to navigate and use their list of citiations, you can usually get relatively decent information.

    So let’s just proceed down the list together. I am doing this as I write, so I do not know what the final results will be. Let’s get started.

    Assassinations:

    President: Abraham Lincoln (R)
    Assassin: John Wilkes Booth
    Political identity and motive:
    Booth was a Democrat, angry that Lincoln had freed the slaves and preserved the Union.

    President: James A. Garfield (R)
    Assassin: Charles J. Guiteau
    Political identity and motive:
    Guiteau was frustrated that he did not receive a political appointment in the Garfield administration, and he believed “that God had commanded him to kill the ungrateful President.” Since we can assume that God did not, in fact, command him in this way, we must deem Guiteau mentally unstable.

    President: William McKinley (R)
    Assassin: Leon Czolgosz
    Political identity and motive:
    Czolgosz was an anarchist who believed that “there was a great injustice in American society, an inequality which allowed the wealthy to enrich themselves by exploiting the poor,” and that he had to do something about it. Mimicking the assassination of King Umberto I of Italy, done for similar reasons, he shot and killed McKinley. Oddly, Czolgosz had earlier voted Republican, but the assassination motive was clearly as described above.

    President: John F. Kennedy (D)
    Assassin: Lee Harvey Oswald
    Political identity and motive:
    Defector to the USSR. Earlier attempted to kill General Edwin Walker, who was “an outspoken anti-communist, segregationist and member of the John Birch Society.” Controversy about the assassination continues to persist, and Oswald was killed before any real digging could be done, so we are primarily left with his identity (as a defector to the USSR) as the prime indicator.

    Attempts:

    President: Andrew Jackson (D)
    Would-be assassin: Richard Lawrence
    Political identity and motive:
    Lawrence was mentally ill, suffering from polymorphous delusions.

    President: Theodore Roosevelt (R and Bull Moose)
    Would-be assassin: John F. Schrank
    Political identity and motive:
    Schrank was mentally ill; he claimed “that it was the ghost of William McKinley that told him to perform the act.”

    President: Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
    Would-be assassin: Giuseppe Zangara
    Political identity and motive:
    “In the Dade County Courthouse jail, Zangara confessed and stated: ‘I have the gun in my hand. I kill kings and presidents first and next all capitalists.'” From Zangara’s own words, much can be taken. However, he may also have been mentally ill. (Perhaps anyone who wants to kill a president is a touch deranged.)

    President: Harry S Truman (D)
    Would-be assassin: Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola
    Political identity and motive:
    Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola were members of the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party. Puerto Rican Nationalists, represented by Marxist terrorist groups such as FALN, who were responsible for scores of bombings in the U.S.; they were arguably the most active terrorist group in U.S. history. (Interesting side notes: President Carter freed Collazo in 1979, and President Clinton pardoned several FALN terrorists. Il n’y a aucun ennemi du cote gauche?)

    President: John F. Kennedy (D)
    Would-be assassin: Richard Paul Pavlick
    Political identity and motive:
    Pavlick was anti-Catholic, and he was also upset by “the close 1960 U.S. Presidential election, in which Kennedy had defeated Republican Richard Nixon by 118,000 votes.” However, “Judge Emmet C. Choate ruled that Pavlick was unable to distinguish between right and wrong in his actions.” He was kept in a mental hospital for three years. Will this be the closest we get….?

    President: Richard M. Nixon (R)
    Would-be assassin: Arthur Bremer
    Political identity and motive:
    Bremer is an interesting case, one that would require more research than we’re doing in this admittedly surface analysis. He hated Nixon, but apparently, he also hated segregation and bigotry, and he did shoot Democratic candidate George Wallace. He also clearly had mental instability. Why did he hate Nixon, and also Wallace? He stated “It is my personal plan to assassinate by pistol either Richard Nixon or George Wallace,” and that his purpose was “to do SOMETHING BOLD AND DRAMATIC, FORCEFUL & DYNAMIC, A STATEMENT of my manhood for the world to see.” These are deep waters, and we’ll have to give this one a pass for now.

    President: Richard M. Nixon (R)
    Would-be assassin: Samuel Byck
    Political identity and motive:
    Byck “began to harbor the belief that the government was conspiring to oppress the poor.” He attempted to join the Black Panthers. However, he was also “diagnosed with manic depression, a mental disorder characterized by both depressive ‘lows’ and (less frequently) manic or euphoric ‘highs.'” He had left-wing motives, but he was also mentally unstable.

    President: Gerald R. Ford (R)
    Would-be assassin: Lynette Fromme
    Political identity and motive:
    Insane member of the insane Manson Family.

    President: Gerald R. Ford (R)
    Would-be assassin: Sara Jane Moore
    Political identity and motive:
    Revolutionary leftist political activist.

    President: James E. Carter (D)
    Would-be assassin: Raymond Lee Harvey
    Political identity and motive:
    Harvey was possibly mentally ill, but also, charges were dismissed for lack of evidence. This one doesn’t count.

    President: Ronald Reagan (R)
    Would-be assassin: John Hinckley, Jr.
    Political identity and motive:
    Mentally ill, no apparent political motive (despite some absurd references to his connections to the Bush family).

    President: George H.W. Bush (R)
    Would-be assassin: Operation of sixteen men working for Saddam Hussein’s Iraq
    Political identity and motive:
    Geopolitical attack/act of war.

    President: Bill Clinton (D)
    Would-be assassin: Francisco Martin Duran
    Political identity and motive:
    From Wikipedia:
    “Duran pleaded not guilty and mounted an insanity defense, claiming that he was trying to save the world by destroying an alien ‘mist,’ connected by an umbilical cord to an alien in the Colorado mountains. He also claimed to be incited by conservative talk show host Chuck Baker, who spoke on air about ‘armed revolution’ and ‘cleansing’ of the government.

    In both cases, these are claims made by Duran. We would need more external information to make a judgment.

    President: George W. Bush (R)
    Would-be assassin: Vladimir Arutyunian
    Political identity and motive:
    Georgian national who threw a grenade towards President Bush. Not quite sure yet what his motivation was. Pass for now.

    Totals:

    Clearly mentally ill (5)

    Guiteau
    Lawrence
    Schrank
    Fromme
    Hinckley, Jr.

    Anti-catholic (and possible Republican) motivation, coupled with mental illness (1):

    Pavlick

    Left-wing motivations, coupled with mental illness (1):

    Byck

    Unclear/more info required/weak evidence–pass (4):

    Bremer
    Harvey
    Duran
    Arutyunian

    Left-leaning political motivation (7):

    Booth
    Czolgosz
    Oswald
    Zangara
    Collazo
    Torresola
    Moore

    Remove the people who are clearly mentally ill, to leave the people who had a political motivation. That gives us an eight (left) to one (right) ratio of political motivations behind presidential assassinations and attempts.

    To be fair to the two among that number who also suffered from some mental illness, one from the left and one from the right, we can remove both of them from the figures.

    That leaves us with the following:

    Of the successful and attempted assassinations of U.S. presidents where there was a political motivation and no blatant mental illness, the political motivation behind the act was left-leaning 100% of the time.

    We will grant that this is a somewhat surface analysis, and that detailed research and nuanced analysis may produce slightly different results. But still, don’t you find the conclusion of even this surface analysis somewhat striking? It’s 100%, after all.

    Are you surprised by this result? I’m not. I did not know exactly what the results would be when I began, but knowing the left as I do, I knew it would lean in this direction. That it turned out to be (essentially) 100% is also not a surprise, though it does serve further to reinforce this grim understanding.

    You will know them by their fruits.

    **This may appear at first glance to be an unequal comparison—the “left” vs. “Republicans.” It is not, for you must understand that Democrats are well represented among the left’s perpetrators of violence, both historically and in the present day. It’s not just a fringe phenomenon. Mainstream people are among the perps. Congressmen. Union members. It’s a very old tradition for the Democrats, going all the way back to the terrorist wing of their party, the KKK. But it’s also occurring today, in modern times, as you can read here, here, and here. And, if you would like a far more detailed exploration, read the impassioned article I wrote when I first began to really discover this phenomenon: Democrats are more violent. In fact, there’s no comparison.

    Democrats have hated and been violent towards Republicans since Pennsylvania went for Lincoln, and there’s no sign of it abating any time soon.

  9. v_maet

    The democrats and media were pushing the overton window and this is the result.

    A nutjob bernie supporter shooting a republican congressman.

    Odd that he was stable and cheerful on the scene but is now listed as critical after a visit to the exact same hospital that Seth Rich was taken to…

  10. Did Kathy Griffin incite political violence?

  11. Baldrick

    The Left:

    Official Antifa @OfficialAntifa
    Our statement on the shooting of #SteveScalise and other fascist Republicans:
    ‘The only good fascist is a dead one’

    There’s some debate if it’s a parody account, nonetheless there’s not much difference between that and the real thing.

  12. Sparkle Motion

    If only there was some way to limit the number of guns and the types of guns that nutcases in the US were able to get their hands on.

  13. john constantine

    If only every legal, registered republican gun-owner could be purged by the left, then the left wouldn’t have to be so angry all the time.

  14. If only there was some way to limit the number of guns and the types of guns that nutcases in the US were able to get their hands on.

    It doesn’t appear to have made any difference in Australia. The nut jobs get guns regardless and in the US it would be even easier given the border with Mexico.

  15. Sparkle Motion

    If only every legal, registered republican gun-owner could be purged by the left, then the left wouldn’t have to be so angry all the time.

    Good luck with that. Not sure there’s a cure for left anger.

    As Herodotus said*, “While there are expensive avocados and multiple origin coffee there will always be an angry left.”

    * may be paraphrasing here.

  16. Tel

    Odd that he was stable and cheerful on the scene but is now listed as critical after a visit to the exact same hospital that Seth Rich was taken to…

    The joys of government funded health care.

  17. Baldrick

    The Left:

    Jesse Benn ✔ @JesseBenn
    For violent resistance to work it’d need to be organized. Individual acts can be understandable, but likely counterproductive/ineffective.
    3:57 AM · Jun 15, 2017

    Jesse Benn ✔ @JesseBenn
    What’s more harmful: Putting millions already on the margins more at-risk via draconian policies, or shooting a racist lawmaker in the hip?
    4:29 AM · Jun 15, 2017

    Benn works for Huffington Post.

  18. NewChum

    Twitter is amazing for the ability of people to openly state what they are thinking. It’s like they think they are talking to their own echo-chamber not realising the words are there for everyone to see, and immortalized for posterity.

  19. If only there was some way to limit the number of guns and the types of guns that nutcases in the US were able to get their hands on.

    Yep.

  20. cuckoo

    This was the second item on the 7am bulletin on Radio National this morning. No details about the shooter but I said to myself over a fried egg “Democrat, probably voted for Bernie Sanders”. This was confirmed on the AM report in which, again, it was the second item after the London fire. If a Trump voter had shot up a group of Democrats it would wall to wall rolling coverage on ABC tv and radio, with reporters posing in flak jackets.

  21. Malcolm

    Gun control now. It’s time the US got serious about reducing gun carnage by clamping down on gun ownership. Appeal the second amendment.

  22. cuckoo

    And I haven’t seen any headlines but I can write them already:

    TRUMP’S CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST
    CLIMATE OF HATE CREATED BY TRUMP TURNS LETHAL
    SANDERS VOTER KILLED IN GUN INCIDENT

  23. Pivot

    Dramatic eyewitness account is an understatement –

  24. The only gun-related law that Trump has signed made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns.

  25. Baldrick

    … and along comes m0nty with the ‘squirrel argument’ about gun laws.

  26. Baldrick

    The Left:

    Liberal prof says Trump ‘must hang’ & Republicans be summarily executed ‘to save American democracy’ – Chris Enloe Apr 8, 2017 12:02 pm

  27. Arky

    You know Monty doesn’t read the threads in full.
    He just drives by with stupid inane shit like this.
    Then scans for replies.
    Don’t bother replying.

  28. NewChum

    Gun control now. It’s time the US got serious about reducing gun carnage by clamping down on gun ownership. Appeal the second amendment.

    Trollish troll is trolly.

    Chicago already has the strictest gun control laws around. Also one of the worst gun violence rates. If you remove violent inner city zones, the national gun violence rate is about the same as elsewhere in the world. In other words, the violence is disproportionately concentrated in some areas.

    The 2nd amendment keeps the government humble in its ambitions and gives citizens the capability of retaking control over their own lives if necessary. As amply demonstrated in Australia and elsewhere, you’re on your own if trouble comes your way. The police are more interested in stopping a backlash and reprisals than protecting the public.

    Australia would be immeasurably improved if we had a 1st amendment and a 2nd amendment to ensure protection of the first. Or, to be more precise, if Australia rolled back 20 years of leftist insanity in stripping Australians of their rights previously held under common law.

  29. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    leftism is a mental illness.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    Was the shooter a member of the hussain/hilarity resistance to democracy gang Republicans should not travel on trains ,they will be blowing up the lines with explosives air dropped by Venezuela

  31. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The only gun-related law that Trump has signed made it easier for the mentally ill leftoids to get guns.

    FIFY

  32. EvilElvis

    Gun control now. It’s time the US got serious about reducing gun carnage by clamping down on gun ownership. Appeal the second amendment.

    America doesn’t make the top 100 for per capita gun deaths. But, if you took only the long term democrat held states with supposedly strong gun control measures they’d push into the top ten on a per capita basis. Progress on brothers!…

  33. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Cue monsty to dive towards the whitewashing center in 3…..2……1…..

  34. Arky

    People.
    Do not let Monty derail a thread about incitement to assassination by the left.
    Gun control is not the issue. We know it. He knows it.
    He is just trolling.

  35. Fred Furkenburger

    For any one who think that gun controls actually reduce gun crime watch this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

    and read this:

    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

    Strict gun controls tend to have the opposite effect to that intended.

  36. Strict gun controls tend to have the opposite effect to that intended.

    Mmyes, things have gotten way out of control in Australia with all the mass shootings we are having.

  37. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Every day when I open up Yahoo for email I get assailed with stuff from the MSM major newspapers that is a continual Get Trump wail of fake news and confected outrage about it. It was obvious some fool would try to implement what the media were more than hinting needed to be done, ie. Get Trump (or by extension, his staff and supporters). They are complicit in attempted murder. So are the twitterers with their approval. And so is the taxpayer funded ABC, who irresponsibly incite anger about responsible conservative commenters like Roger Franklin and Bill Leak, yet make no mention on their Media Watch about a serious physical attack on Andrew Bolt and simply report it, if at all, as a ‘confrontation’; the Guardian even leaves up comments that strongly condone the physical violence against Bolt, and that even suggest more should be applied to him.

    They are all complicit, all asking for political violence to which they intend to turn a blind eye. The stage has been set, approval has been given, for the left to do what they like, regardless of the law. True approval of Nazism.

    It is an obsession, a mental aberration. I know a woman who whenever her child is naughty gives him a lecture about the evils of Trump and how he will end up like Trump. Trump is the bogeyman.

  38. candy

    The viciousness of the media has made this possible.

    Injured and traumatised people, probably wife and kids of the dead gunman, there’s always someone else affected.

    Awful to say it but the Trump’s young son would be a target to nutters, perhaps kidnapping or something. In the minds of nutters, the child of the one they hate is also hated and must be stopped.

  39. NewChum

    Apart from looking like everyone will pull through except the shooter, the ongoing affect of this I hope is for the republicans to finally pull together behind their president and start getting stuff done.

    In case it wasn’t obvious before, the left would rather kill them than work with them. And they waste their time and majority arguing about inane stuff. Every leftist secretly relishes violence against people trying to prevent a socialist takeover. The left was founded on the issue. Deep down they always want the guillotines set up. It was and is always in their rhetoric. Violent revolution is their DNA. It never goes away. Any socialist who doesn’t use violent rhetoric gets pushed aside from their ranks. They still support Stalin and Castro and Mao and Chavez. They always will. They love the idea of secret police forces to enforce politically correct thought. They always set them up if given half the chance. Leftist regimes have always murdred their opponents, after first dehumanising and othering them. They love street mobs and riots and chaos.

    What else would you expect from a political movement that founds itself on theft and murder of the people who don’t share their way?

  40. Chris

    Mmyes, things have gotten way out of control in Australia with all the mass shootings we are having.

    And the ones we had were copycats incited by media – activist partnerships.

    Port Arthur – prepared after NCGC and A Current Affair taught how to get illegal guns for massacres, actually happened after Dunblane publicity offered another example to imitate.

    Monash – apparently prepared after Lee Rhiannon – ABC partnered to attack ownership of pistols for target shooting because theshooter got guns the way they taught, then occurred after weeks of media hysteria over Washington snipers, who were retard criminals inspired by Bin Laden.

  41. Interested observer

    Just as well the shooter is undeniably Caucasian. I can visualize the headlines if Black Lives Matter had any excuse to insert arguments about racial prejudice of shooting somebody just for popping off some pistols in the vicinity of Republicans.

  42. Wow Chris, you really worked hard to beclown yourself there. Sinc should leave it up as a lesson for other Cats in how to really stuff up an argument.

  43. Habib

    Inevitable, but seeing as the right side has most of the weapons, and pretty much all the tactical skills, it’ll be a very short and messy fight.

  44. Helen

    I had a look at the website with the tweets.
    How is this different from the Roger Franklin’s blog “Had there been a shred of justice, that blast would have detonated in an Ultimo TV studio. … none of the panel’s likely casualties would have represented the slightest reduction in humanity’s intelligence, decency, empathy or honesty. … [Q&A panelist] Krauss felt his body being penetrated by the Prophet’s shrapnel of nuts, bolts and nails…” ?
    There are plenty of other examples of hateful language from right-wingers.
    So, you want things to change? Clean up your own act first … this applies to both left and right.

  45. Arky

    Helen.
    Too much to ask you to deal with the current situation?
    You prefer to excuse it.
    Nice.

  46. srr

    The Truth About the Shooting of Congressman Scalise
    Paul Joseph Watson

    Jun 14, 2017
    The hysterical anti-Trump media has blood on its hands.

  47. srr

    /pol/ News Forever‏ @polNewsForever 8h8 hours ago

    >Scalise was investigating child sex trafficking
    >Rand Paul investigating Saudi Arabia for 9/11
    >both shot at

    Really makes you think…🤔
    ___________

    BREAKING: P@dogate Is Real, Attorney General Sessions Speaks!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqtCV9eZAk&t=318s

    Streamed live on Jun 7, 2017
    U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions speaks to 1,500+ members of law enforcement in Atlanta, GA about the growing epidemic of child abuse crimes known collectively as “P@dogate.” Watch here-

  48. A Lurker

    I find it very enlightening to read the reactions of those of the Left when faced with actual violence from their own.

    Bolt is violently attacked and so many responses are either – he deserved what happened, or he is a bully for defending himself and the police should lay charges against him.

    Republicans are shot and wounded in the USA and Monty immediately runs with anti-gun comments and Helen diverts attention back to a single comment against the ABC on a now withdrawn article in Quadrant.

    Apparently there is no capacity for self-reflection in that all this violent Left-wing rhetoric does have actual violent consequences.

  49. Arky

    Apparently there is no capacity for self-reflection in that all this violent Left-wing rhetoric does have actual violent consequences.

    ..
    Every time something like this occurs, they must be dragged, like dogs, back to the little piles of vomit they leave on a daily basis.

  50. Habib

    Helen does the apologist/disconnected/confuse hypothetical with reality/delusional drooling lefty schtick very well. A bit too well, I’m calling composta.

  51. H B Bear

    When you stop enforcing the Rule of Law for those at the top you never know quite where it will end up. Stuff like this looks more and more like the decline of the Republic.

  52. NewChum

    I see leftist policies have increased violent crime in Victoria 20% in one year.

    But hey! Leftist policies prevent rare events for occurring. Or do they? Wasn’t a police worker shot in cold blood by a leftist with an illegal weapon?

    Shut up conservatives and enjoy the chaos and diversity is the answer.

  53. mh

    The attempted assassinations of Republicans were likely to have been planned by the Left to coincide with Trump’s birthday.

  54. A classful of primary school kids are murdered in cold blood at Sandy Hook. The right shrugs.

    Steve Scalise is grazed. The right goes ape droppings.

  55. NewChum

    A despicable slur. That previous comment should be removed from the site immediately and he poster banned for a day.

  56. Chris

    Yea Monts, I stuffed up. The right thing would be to lay out the evidence that Roland Browne (of the NCGC and Lawyers for Forests), along with A Current Affair journalists influenced the Port Arthur shooter, the evidence that the leftist Lee Rhiannon and ABC journalist partners influenced the Monash shooter, and the evidence that the leftist news media deny the importance of the copycat pattern in teaching and rewarding mass shootings.

    At the same time, news editors accept and act on the guidelines for preventing copycat suicides. When they break them the results are spectacular. The outcome of their orgy of public masturbation in the case of Charmaine Dragun, was the following day a woman juped with her child in West Perth, a while later a copycat woman jumped off West Gate Bridge with her children, and then a copycat man killed his first daughter then surrendered, sparing the other two. THose were the consequences of media doing for a suicide what they usually do for mass shootings.

    If news media did not profiteer from copycat mass shootings there would be far fewer. And it appears that self-regulation is not stopping them because of competition and profit. And in the case of terrorism they are willing accomplices of the terrorists, especially when they can blame a Bush or a Trump.

    The only thing that can stop it is bringing the blame home to them. Bullets or social shaming driving them out of business, would save lives in the long run.

  57. candy

    Since we are talking left vs. right, I can see how this will be explained by the Left, that is, that Trump is so evil, so bad, so vile, that his vileness stirs up the blood of slightly mentally disordered normal people, that they must try to assassinate Republicans.
    Therefore .. it is Trump’s fault.

  58. Chris

    A classful of primary school kids are murdered in cold blood at Sandy Hook. The right shrugs.

    Actually, the left (thats people like you Monty) use it as an excuse to bash the people who didn’t do it, while themselves teaching how and promising incentives for perpetrating copycat crimes.

  59. Bruce of Newcastle

    This article is from the day before the attack on Republicans:

    “We Need To Rise Up” Militia Activity Spikes In Early Trump Era

    Members of US militias aren’t waiting for Congress and special counsel Robert Mueller to move against the Trump administration. According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, militia activity has spiked in the early days of Trump’s presidency, which could be problem for the deep state and Democratic lawmakers who have joined in opposition to the president, and maybe even for Trump himself.

    They’ll be spitting chips after the Dem shooter targeted GOP congressmen. They may not especially like the Republican congresscritters but they sure ain’t going to like the antifa and guys like Hodgkinson.

  60. Geez Chris, stop digging. Your clown shoes make it difficult to work the shovel.

  61. Tim Neilson

    Helen
    #2413157, posted on June 15, 2017 at 10:54 am

    This is an example of the sad decline in our education system.

    In the old days, even those who were below average intelligence were taught, not indoctrinated. School students were expected to learn English well enough to understand the difference between a hypothetical (e.g. Roger Franklin’s comment) and a recommendation (the plethora of urgings that Trump, Republicans etc. should be killed, that’s “should”, not just speculation about “what if”?)

    In those days only the exceptionally dull witted…

    Oh, sorry.

    This isn’t a good example to use to critique our education system.

  62. Tim Neilson

    A classful of primary school kids are murdered in cold blood at Sandy Hook. The right shrugs.

    What a hateful load of bullshit. Who shrugged? Everyone agreed that it was a tragedy. Everyone agreed that action needed to be taken to minimise the risk of a re-occurrence. (And that’s why, even in deep blue Connecticut, the security guards at the new Sandy Hook school now carry guns, which they didn’t before the tragedy occurred.)

    I am particularly pissed off about this slur because I have a friend who grew up in Newtown Connecticut, lived there all her life (except during Uni) until recently, still lives only a few miles from there and still has family there, and I have visited her and her family there.

    So, monty, did my conservative views preclude me from alarm for my friend and her family when the incident happened? (Thankfully none of them were hurt, though of course they knew people whose kids were killed.) What telepathy enables you to conclude that I (or any other Cat for that matter) lacked empathy with those who died and those who suffered?

  63. mh

    Steve Scalise is grazed.

    Munty, even CNN – your team – is reporting this:

    GOP House Whip Steve Scalise remains in critical condition after shooting at baseball practice

    Sicko.

  64. Tim N, your solution of more guns is patently stupid. Should every school in America have armed guards? If your answer is yes, you are a fool.

    How about not letting crazy people and people with a history of violence get easy access to guns.

  65. I see the Left is desperate to shift our attention.

  66. Mother Lode

    What’s more harmful: Putting millions already on the margins more at-risk via draconian policies, or shooting a racist lawmaker in the hip?

    This is great, isn’t it?

    Some vague unsubstantiated nebulous claim (‘millions’, ‘margins’, ‘draconian policies’ – a nasty accusation without any demonstrable relevance) to justify an actual violent criminal act.

  67. A Lurker

    How about not letting crazy people and people with a history of violence get easy access to guns.

    Crazy people = the Regressive Left
    People with a history of violence = the Regressive Left

    Sounds like Monty is advocating that guns should not be easily accessible to those of his own political ideology.
    Fair enough, enact the legislation because this is what Monty wants.

  68. Tim Neilson

    Monty,
    Are you persisting with your loathsome falsehoods about the Sandy Hook incident? If not, why not retract and apologise?
    As for your squirrel about “more guns”, I’d imagine that the very progressive citizens of Newtown Connecticut didn’t endorse armed security guards as a result of abstract intellectual acceptance of an NRA ad. Maybe they know something you don’t. Think about it (if you’re capable of doing so).
    If “easy access to guns” is the problem, why does Chicago have such a high rate of gun homicide compared with even other US cities? How do people like Christopher Hudson, or Man Monis, get guns here in Australia?
    But that’s enough attention to your squirrel.
    Are you going to apologise for your rancid falsehoods or not?

  69. Mother Lode

    and along comes m0nty with the ‘squirrel argument’ about gun laws.

    Shifting blame. It is not really the lefty wielding the gun that is to blame, it is the people on the right who believe in their constitutional rights (which would also include the right not to be killed).

    So even when a lefty commits a crime, it is the right’s fault.

  70. That’s a great policy Tim N. Put armed security guards in a school after it got shot up, but not other ones where mass shootings haven’t occurred yet. So by this policy, eventually there will be a mass shooting at every school in America, but only one each. And by the end of it a lot of bored men getting paid to sit around fondling guns. Sounds like paradise for the gun lobby.

  71. candy

    It’s no use Monty.
    The viciousness of the Left media inspired this mentally ill man, a Bernie Sanders supporter, to attempt to kill republicans.
    If the media insists on painting Trump as a devil, a crime boss, taking payments from Russia, a spy for Russia, akin to Hitler, guaranteed someone reading that will take it in, have their mind completely tipped
    and aim to kill Republican politicians, as Trump would be too protected to get to.

    I

  72. So what did Gabi Giffords do to deserve it, candy?

  73. Mother Lode

    Rakeboy is just keeping with the left wing belief that humans are inherently bad.

    That is why the left is so determined to wrest as many choices away from people and tell them what they will do – oh, and every lefty thinks they ought to be the final arbiter. Each believes their vision will deliver epochal harmony.

    Thought experiment: Imagine everyone had the right to own a gun (or we could be talking knives or pointed sticks etc).

    There would be a balance of sorts.

    The left wing solution is to take the weapons from the law abiding people. Now the balance shifts to the advantage of those less law abiding. And this is what we see today.

    If you want to improve the balance, you look at depriving the criminals with weapons. Balance moves the other way.

    Or you could increase the number of law abiding people by encouraging social cohesion and nor meddling in society and its interactions.

    Why do so many people think the solution to all society’s ills is more government and more law?

  74. Chris

    Tim N, your solution of more guns is patently stupid. Should every school in America have armed guards? If your answer is yes, you are a fool.

    Notice the compound distraction squirrel from the rakemeister.
    False claim : Persons solution is ‘more guns’. F
    alse claim: Persons solution is an armed guard in every school in America.’
    False claim: Person who disagrees with rakemeister’s false characterisation of his own argument is a fool.

  75. .

    m0nty
    #2413110, posted on June 15, 2017 at 9:57 am
    Strict gun controls tend to have the opposite effect to that intended.

    Mmyes, things have gotten way out of control in Australia with all the mass shootings we are having.

    We’ve had mass shootings, hostage situations, mass murder by arson and vehicle and serial killers using firearms – Monis, Clayton and organised crime hits were all done with illegal gats.

    We’re not even allowed to carry CS spray – which could have been used to take out Monis for example.

    Face it montell – you’ve shit into your hat.

  76. .

    It would have been great if Giffords shot back and killed her attacker.

  77. alexnoaholdmate

    My tip.

    The media and the Left will blame this on Trump and his “divisive nature” –

    “See what monsters this man and his heated rhetoric and hate speech have created in our society! Impeachment now!”

    Wait and see.

  78. A Lurker

    Meanwhile, Monty has opened the gate to let in a whole pile of gun-control unicorns in order to distract the thread away from the fact that the shooter was a violent Democrat-supporting ideologue.

  79. calli

    Steve Scalise is grazed.

    Thanks for clearing that up. Fake News Channel Seven said he’d been shot in the pelvis and was in a critical condition.

  80. candy

    Nothing to deserve it, Monty, nor did this congressman Scalise.

    I didn’t see any mass vicious media campaign against Ms Giffords, however, in fact it was baffling as I recall apart from the guy having a paranoid schizophrenic history. In fact, who had heard of the lady before that terrible event?

    This one has a direct correlation though. It’s obvious. It was Scalise in lieu of Trump, which must make them all nervous.

  81. twostix

    M0nty fully backs violent action against the right he said so.

    Which is why he’s here mocking everyone when a retard leftist did what the monties on the internet, the ny times, cnn, etc have been loudly egging the likes of him on to do.

    Because he’s quetly fist pumping to himself.

  82. cuckoo

    As of just now, the shooting story appears nowhere on the Age’s website and is very far down the ABC website, well under a link headed ‘Trump to be investigated for obstruction of justice’.

  83. Mark from Melbourne

    That’s a great policy Tim N. Put armed security guards in a school after it got shot up, but not other ones where mass shootings haven’t occurred yet. So by this policy, eventually there will be a mass shooting at every school in America, but only one each. And by the end of it a lot of bored men getting paid to sit around fondling guns. Sounds like paradise for the gun lobby.

    No that’s pretty clearly NOT a great policy, even if you are putting words in people’s mouths to create it.

    Thing is, what IS the policy you’d espouse (broad points will do) and how would that make a dent in US gun violence?

    I am actually pretty much anti-gun in an Australian situation (not a view that will endear me to many here, I freely concede) but in a society with as many guns sloshing about as the US, I would ensure that I and my family were proficient owners of same.

    I have no answers, therefore. But you apparently do… or at least the beginnings of same. I am genuinely interested in what those beginnings might be.

  84. Chris

    Thing is, what IS the policy you’d espouse (broad points will do) and how would that make a dent in US gun violence?

    The basic policy of gun control proponents is virtue signalling. Its proponents will say anything, anything at all, provided they get heroic lighting for the press conference.
    They might ban the shoulder thing that goes up; it doesn’t matter to them.

  85. Chris

    I am actually pretty much anti-gun in an Australian situation (not a view that will endear me to many here, I freely concede) but in a society with as many guns sloshing about as the US, I would ensure that I and my family were proficient owners of same.

    I have no answers, therefore.

    Mark, admitting you dont have the answers is the gateway drug to accepting evidence.

  86. stackja

    The shooter was ‘sick’. Dems said he had ‘rights’.

  87. Tim Neilson

    So what did Gabi Giffords do to deserve it, candy?

    Riled a marijuana smoking, pro-abortion, GWB hater whose self stated favourite youtube video was one showing the US flag being burned.

    Any other attempts to deflect discussion from the violence of the “progressives”?

    No wonder China is building so many coal fired power stations. Those rakes won’t manufacture themselves.

    BTW monty, no-one is fooled by your squirrels. When you have to fabricate a version of what someone said, it’s an unmistakeable sign that you can’t refute what they really said.

  88. Nothing to deserve it, Monty, nor did this congressman Scalise.

    Scalise voted for the Trump bill putting guns in the hands of the mentally ill.

  89. So, according to monty, this means Scalise, his staff, etc., deserved to be killed.

    BTW, it would be worthwhile actually seeing what this bill actually did, because we know monty has form.

  90. Thing is, what IS the policy you’d espouse (broad points will do) and how would that make a dent in US gun violence?

    1. Pass laws banning semi-automatics and other weapons designed for mass killings.
    2. Gun buy-backs on a scale large enough to make a difference.
    3. Instead of investing in ICE to make orphans out of American kids, spend money on enforcement of gun laws to prevent orphans.

    I realise it would be very difficult in America, given their gun culture, but that’s the only serious plan to lower the rate of 30,000 gun deaths every year.

  91. So, according to monty, this means Scalise, his staff, etc., deserved to be killed.

    No. But they’re not lilywhite either.

  92. Empire GTHO Phase III

    A Lurker
    #2413311, posted on June 15, 2017 at 1:20 pm
    Meanwhile, Monty has opened the gate to let in a whole pile of gun-control unicorns in order to distract the thread away from the fact that the shooter was a violent Democrat-supporting ideologue.

    Ludicrous lying leftist dissembling is all he has to offer. Not content with his abominable behaviour yesterday, he doubles down and blames the victim for being shot – by a violent leftist.

  93. candy

    It wouldn’t surprise if Kathy Griffin’s stunt of holding a severed head, or the play with a character called Trump being assassinated helped to unhinge him to attempted murder.

  94. Chris

    Your ideas are so dishonest Monty. “Voted to put guns in the hands of the mentally ill” for just one example, is a dishonest misrepresentation.
    People like you, leftists and political correctniks, use mental illness a salami-slice negotiation technique to steal freedom from innocent citizens, one thin criteria at a time.
    Yesterday: Sterilisation of ‘mental defectives’.
    Today: ‘mental illness’ because anti-depressants were prescribed. Take away the presumption of continuing a blameless record, as though they were felons, because you hate people who own guns.
    Tomorrow: Take the vote from ‘politically ignorant’ people, in case they vote Trump against your wishes.
    Is it time to clean house, or are we prepared to try draining the swamp first?

  95. notafan

    No. But they’re not lilywhite either.

    Malmonty with the it’s your fault I had to kill you excuse, again.

    I think he says the same thing about victims of abortion too.

    Oh that is right, there are no such things as innocents (except muslims)

    What utter tripe.

  96. Tim Neilson

    Hi monty.
    Remember me?
    I’m the one who you’re consistently dodging except where you’re misrepresenting me.
    I take it you won’t apologise for your lies about “the right” and Sandy Hook.
    So let’s take your latest inanities.
    1. Pass laws banning semi-automatics and other weapons designed for mass killings.
    Do you know what a “semi-automatic” weapon is?
    2. Gun buy-backs on a scale large enough to make a difference.
    Because criminals and lunatics will certainly sell their guns. You know it makes sense.
    3. Instead of investing in ICE to make orphans out of American kids, …
    WTF??? This is too deranged for any response.

  97. Chris

    Take away the presumption of continuing a blameless record, as though they were felons, because you hate people who own guns.

    Excuse my emotional claim. You leftists don’t hate people who own guns.

    You despise us.

  98. Tailgunner

    3. Instead of investing in ICE to make orphans out of American kids, spend money on enforcement of gun laws to prevent orphans.

    Lol! Open this thread and this is the first comment I see.
    Oh Montell, never change!
    Maude Monty!

  99. Mique

    Can we stop feeding the troll?

  100. Eddystone

    There are too many guns in the US to ever, ever ban them.

    Most of the gun violence in the US is perpetrated in areas with strict gun control.

  101. Yesterday: Sterilisation of ‘mental defectives’.
    Today: ‘mental illness’ because anti-depressants were prescribed. Take away the presumption of continuing a blameless record, as though they were felons, because you hate people who own guns.
    Tomorrow: Take the vote from ‘politically ignorant’ people, in case they vote Trump against your wishes.

    I said none of these things. You are being completely dishonest, after accusing me of dishonesty. Just like how you incited killings of leftist politicians directly after bemoaning incitement of killing rightist politicians (which I see Sinc has deleted now).

  102. Mark from Melbourne

    Thing is, Monty, with 300 million guns, I can’t see any of that making even the slightest difference.

    Of the 14,000 odd homicides by gun (the vast majority of those 33,000 deaths were actually suicides, which is a whole other story) the overwhelming majority were in what Wikipedia so gently terms “poor, urban, gang” violence. In other words, not to put too fine a point on it, black violence.

    So any attempt to stem the flow of death must surely start there. Not with semi-auto or auto weapons, and not with buy backs (which I’m not sure would work anyway, given American culture).

    Thing is, that would require one to acknowledge the dreadful damage done to the black community’s self-respect and familial structure over the past 40 years, and I’m not sure the US is prepared to do that in the sort of bi-partisan way that would be required.

    As I said, I am flat out of ideas. So, it would seem, are you. It is truly a nightmare.

  103. Snoopy

    Republicans shot. I can smell cum. Whose can it be?

  104. srr

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  105. srr

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  106. .

    SRR – he was shot because he was unlucky and they incurred the wrath of a Bernie bro nutter.

    I will bet you $50 he wasn’t in the pay of “Big P@do”…do you want to enter into this wager?

  107. Mark from M: good post, points well made.

    Acknowledging what the real problem is has to be the first step towards fixing it, though. I mean, they eventually cleaned up the Wild West, didn’t they? Well, sort of.

  108. Tel

    Thing is, that would require one to acknowledge the dreadful damage done to the black community’s self-respect and familial structure over the past 40 years, and I’m not sure the US is prepared to do that in the sort of bi-partisan way that would be required.

    It’s going to require some self-control and self-respect to rise up spontaneously from inside the black community. There have been plenty of notable conservatives with darker skin (good role models), but sadly still not sufficient… race hate of the “Sharpton variety” seems to still drown out those common sense voices. Government caused this problem, they are unlikely to ever fix it… so it either gets sorted out at the grass roots level or never.

  109. .

    Good god monty, the frontier myth is pretty cartoonish.

  110. I was just using that as an example, Dot. There must be some way of eventually fixing deep-seated problems like that. It’s happened in the past.

  111. It’s going to require some self-control and self-respect to rise up spontaneously from inside the black community. There have been plenty of notable conservatives with darker skin (good role models), but sadly still not sufficient… race hate of the “Sharpton variety” seems to still drown out those common sense voices. Government caused this problem, they are unlikely to ever fix it… so it either gets sorted out at the grass roots level or never.

    One solution is not to have Jeff Sessions as Attorney-General bringing back 1990s policies to incarcerate black men at rates far beyond their numbers in the community for trumped-up minor drug charges as an exhumation of the failed War On Drugs. Oh wait…

  112. Fisky

    What we really need to do is ban hand-guns while protecting rifle ownership. Stop-and-frisk was extremely effective, and not should be only reintroduced, but escalated to encompass all black men everywhere, all the time, even if they are wearing a suit and looking sharp.

    Do all that, and watch the homocide rate plummet!

  113. Fisky

    Constant and intrusive frisking of black men is the future. Zero tolerance!

  114. Snoopy

    Every competent adult should be able to carry a handgun. It would be a great disincentive for obesity.

  115. Stop-and-Fisk is completely ineffective as a tactic.

  116. Fisky

    But I’m not sure that concealed carry is a better idea than open carry.

  117. Tel

    One solution is not to have Jeff Sessions as Attorney-General bringing back 1990s policies to incarcerate black men at rates far beyond their numbers in the community for trumped-up minor drug charges as an exhumation of the failed War On Drugs. Oh wait…

    If you are saying that those gangs in the black communities are not heavily involved with drug dealing then you are a clueless spoon. I dare say you have probably come to terms with your own ignorance by now, but it’s still not too late to put a bit of effort into learning something.

    Whether the War On Drugs is helping matters is quite a different thing, and personally I would just as soon see a program of incremental legalization. Best to allow small quantities to be grown at home by anyone for own consumption, but at the same time make it illegal to transport large quantities and illegal to make a business out of trading the stuff. That would kill the price while not encouraging kids to get into it. None of this is in any way related to Jeff Sessions (obviously) the job of the Attorney-General is to apply the law… not to arbitrarily decide to reinterpret the law. If the War On Drugs should come to an end, that’s a job for the lawmakers.

  118. Fisky

    Can you just imagine being frisked on the way to work, on the way home, and even on a walk to the grocery store, etc. Would you seriously risk carrying contraband or dangerous weapons if you were likely to be frisked at least every day?

    Probably not.

  119. Fisky

    Notice the inverse correlation between the size of the prison population and the crime rate. Locking lots of people up works and works well.

    http://prospect.org/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/us_violent_crime_rate_and_incarceration_rate.jpg?itok=Pp2z-luU

  120. Tel

    But I’m not sure that concealed carry is a better idea than open carry.

    The advantage of at least some concealed carry is that the bad guy doesn’t know where it’s coming from, therefore cannot plan ahead. Similar idea to the Panopticon.

  121. Brian of Moorabbin

    Fresh from making jokes about the apartmemt fire in London (wherevthe death toll is still rising), mOnty is now having orgasms over the attempted murder of several Republican Congress members, their staff, and other innocent bystanders.

    And not a single move by Sinc to pull the detestable little xunt into line over his odious behaviour…. behaviour which, if it came from a conservative towards one of mOnty’s heroes of the Left, would see the malingering butterball ceying foul to all and sundry…

    Give it up folks. Sinc obviously condones mOnty’s behaviour, judging by the complete lack of action he takes every time the fat fucker posts here..

  122. Mmyes Fisky, stop-and-frisk really adds to the level of liberty in a society.

    When it was adopted in New York state, rates of homicide and violent crimes did not move from long-term trends. When it was abandoned, similarly no change.

  123. And not a single move by Sinc to pull the detestable little xunt into line over his odious behaviour…. behaviour which, if it came from a conservative towards one of mOnty’s heroes of the Left, would see the malingering butterball ceying foul to all and sundry…

    He also didn’t lift a finger when several Cats called for genocide of Islamic peoples following Manchester and London Bridge. He’s an equal opportunity proponent of laissez-faire moderation, for better or worse.

  124. srr

    Tucker Carlson and Mark Steyn Discuss Political Violence…
    Posted on June 15, 2017 by sundance

    Fox host Tucker Carlson interviews Mark Steyn and together they discuss the current state of left-wing political violence.

    Continue reading →
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  125. Mark from Melbourne

    Acknowledging what the real problem is has to be the first step towards fixing it, though. I mean, they eventually cleaned up the Wild West, didn’t they? Well, sort of.

    Yes, acknowledging the problem is, prima facie, the first step to fixing it.

    Just as here we find few to none with the gumption to name the problem(s), so too in the US. As I said, a nightmare. Putting your fingers in your ears and saying tang-malang-maloo doesn’t really cut it, but seems right now to be the favoured strategy worldwide.

    Just one minor corrective… I’m not sure that “they” cleaned up the Wild West. I rather think that an increased standard of living, prosperity and the general love of certitude that goes with that “cleaned up” the Wild West.

    Which might hold a lesson, if any were wise enough to learn it.

  126. Mark from Melbourne

    He’s an equal opportunity proponent of laissez-faire moderation, for better or worse.

    Liberty quote

  127. Whalehunt Fun

    Hilarious that the leftard filth think it will be good for them when the guns come out. I suspect the gun owners run more than 70/30 in favoir of the Republicans and the really competent shooters probably run even more in their favour.

  128. Eddystone

    The “Wild West” actually had very little criminal activity, apart from the cohort of dissolute young men.

    If you were female, a child or a sober citizen you were pretty safe from crime.

    Thanks to “The Peacemaker”.

  129. srr

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  130. I rather think that an increased standard of living, prosperity and the general love of certitude that goes with that “cleaned up” the Wild West.

    Which might hold a lesson, if any were wise enough to learn it.

    Yes, and that’s probably what will solve the problem at hand. One of the major failures of the Obama administration was that even though the US economy recovered greatly from the Dubbya disaster, the benefits of it didn’t flow through to African American communities at nearly the same rate as the rest of the populace. Not sure Trump is going to improve the situation either.

  131. Mark from Melbourne

    One of the major failures of the Obama administration was that even though the US economy recovered greatly from the Dubbya disaster, the benefits of it didn’t flow through to African American communities at nearly the same rate as the rest of the populace.

    Quite possibly true, in so far as it goes.

    But the real key is in the – now de rigeur – split between this identity and that identity. That is the root of all evil. The US endured such (necessary) pain to get to a place where MLK might actually have started to be pleased, and has now pissed it away in short order.

    And no, I do not have any sort of solution. Sadly, I keep being reminded of an apocryphal Irish saying about not starting from here…

  132. Mark from Melbourne

    Not sure Trump is going to improve the situation either

    Nor am I, but at least he has had the balls to start to name the problem.

  133. Tailgunner

    Pizza Gate will be vindicated.
    Many Cats will be giving overly generous apologies to the Resistance.

  134. Tim Neilson

    even though the US economy recovered greatly from the Dubbya disaster

    Rakemeister,

    I’ve almost given up asking you to be honest or decent.

    But here’s a little quiz for you.

    1. How many times before the GFC did the Bush administration try to get Congress (including the Democrat Senators with filibuster power) to pass legislation winding back the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac “securitised loans” scheme?
    2.How many times did Senator Barack H Obama (D, Ill) vote against such legislation?
    3. In the 2008 election campaign, what exactly did Senator Barack H Obama (D, Ill) propose that the Bush administration should have done to prevent the crash?
    4. How did the labour force participation rate at the end of Obama’s presidency compare with any time in the previous four decades?

  135. srr

    Tailgunner
    #2413633, posted on June 15, 2017 at 5:59 pm

    Pizza Gate will be vindicated.
    Many Cats will be giving overly generous apologies to the Resistance.

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  136. mh

    Monty, you’re in a hole and you’re just gonna have to dig yourself out of it.

  137. srr

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    America, they are simply trying to normalize the crimes through desensitization.

    “60 Minutes” in Australia, did an expose of “Worldwide P@dophile Network,” where the politicians were being exposed for their crimes against children (Romans 1:24). They also interviewed an individual who was advocating the normalization of sexual consent of adults with children. The report on You Tube has been conveniently scrubbed.

    In America, this has been exposed over and over again only to be blacked out by a media that is bought and paid for.

    http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/exploitation-americas-children/

  138. srr

    James Woods‏Verified account @RealJamesWoods 16m16 minutes ago

    “Argue with people, get in their face.” “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” – Barack Hussein Obama #AlexandriaShooting

    James Woods‏Verified account @RealJamesWoods 8m8 minutes ago

    For numbskull #liberals…
    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/875272739690397696

  139. srr

    #ThePersistence‏Verified account @ScottPresler 20h20 hours ago

    Senator @timkaine (D-VA) said democrats should fight Republicans in the streets.

    Did you get what you wanted?
    #SteveScalise #Alexandria

    https://twitter.com/ScottPresler/status/874971705999069184
    _______________

    Remember, Tim Kaine was Hillary’s Vice Pres. pick.

    So we’re getting to that point where normal people leading normal lives are looking around and wondering, “Where are all these ‘fascist’ dictates of the Trump Presidency that the Left say excuse their domestic terrorism, their literal civil war?”, then they remember all the real, serious, deep corruption of Pres. Obama and SoS Hillary Clinton that literally cost Americans Rights, Liberty and Lives, and they start to understand …

  140. Tim N, you’re out on a limb there defending Dubbya. Everyone, including the vast majority of the right, gave up doing that a long time ago because it’s pretty much universally acknowledged that he was a massive failure on most metrics, economics primary among them.

    Trump winding back the laws put in place to prevent another GFC says all you need to know about Republicans and fiscal governance.

  141. Tel

    3. In the 2008 election campaign, what exactly did Senator Barack H Obama (D, Ill) propose that the Bush administration should have done to prevent the crash?

    Oh oh oh, I know this one. The answer is: PRESENT !

  142. .

    Trump winding back the laws put in place to prevent another GFC says all you need to know about Republicans and fiscal governance.

    Better than the Democrats, because the laws that created the mortgage crisis largely go back to the 1930s and 1970s.

  143. Tim Neilson

    m0nty
    #2413726, posted on June 15, 2017 at 7:16 pm
    Ah, the “everybody knows” argument.
    Is there a 97% consensus?
    Zero out of 4 for the quiz, rakemeister, and a similar score for the standard of your arguments throughout this thread.

  144. rickw

    Strict gun controls tend to have the opposite effect to that intended.

    Mmyes, things have gotten way out of control in Australia with all the mass shootings we are having.

    Fat Fuck, please explain why reducing gun homicides in Australia predate 1996 by around 10 years.

  145. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 25m25 minutes ago

    Huffington Post Writer Mulls “Organized Violent Resistance” After Shooting of Congressman
    https://www.infowars.com/huffington-post-writer-mulls-organized-violent-resistance-after-shooting-of-congressman/

    Leftists respond to a violent rhetoric-inspired attempted massacre with MORE violent rhetoric.

    Let that sink in.
    __________________

    No, no, no! Keep it in the shallows, on the surface, even … better yet, let it drift way on up, into the cloud of cuckoos … and drift away … as if there is nothing to it, no substance … no body …. no bodies …………………

  146. rickw

    Leftists respond to a violent rhetoric-inspired attempted massacre with MORE violent rhetoric.

    This is what the left is, this is what munty is.

  147. srr

    It. Is. Not. About. Guns.

    It is about modern slavery having advanced beyond the most savagely cruel dreams of all the greatest of slavers, M e n g e l a ‘s, Japanese “Log” scientists …. the tiny baby parts Planned Parenthood cultivates, harvests and sells are chump change to what healthy, freshly harvested, matched to order, young hearts etc. churn for those in that global trade …. and they would all much rather you don’t talk about any of it

  148. .

    That’s because you’re off topic, SRR.

    The loon was obsessed with a “living wage” and “climate change”.

  149. srr

    Google –

    democrats slavery sex slavery child sex slavery human organ black market sanger big baby parts planned parenthood peter singer senator bird hillary clinton haiti serbia

    you know, all those specks of fly shit that connect so closely that they’ve become a filthy bloody everest sized mountain of why Left Filth are desperate to murder justice loving whistleblowers witnesses survivors and real live heroes

  150. LOL at USSR whinging about rhetoric after accusing the entire left of being bloodsucking, pizza-guzzling rock spiders.

  151. srr

    m0nty
    #2413869, posted on June 15, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    LOL at USSR whinging about rhetoric after accusing the entire left of being bloodsucking, pizza-guzzling rock spiders.

    Democrats aren’t the entire Left, m0nty.

    The Left includes Labor, Labour, Reps, Libs, Greens, Libertarians … every colour and stripe of politics has it’s share of The Left, because yes, they are evil and can’t stand leaving anything uncorrupted … and really, you can’t honestly say that those who provide the blood and protect their market, aren’t as evil as those committing the final horrors … that’s how so many of the hidden Left give themselves away; they try to lie otherwise.

  152. john constantine

    Before howard and the gun buy-back, most of Australias guns were hand-me downs, sparrow rifles and bunny shotguns, most with massive wear from use.

    Now, there are more, newer, better condition firearms in Australia than ever.

    Many fox and varmint rifles with effective ranges of hundreds of yards rather than the tens of yards of the twenty-twos and twelve gauges they replaced.

    The dickhead left claim the size and lethality of a country’s gun locker is directly linked to the number of mass shootings. We can prove the left are liars with runny poo for brains by displaying the numbers that prove the lethality of Australias gun locker has gone up, during the time the left proudly display mass shootings going down.

    Still the left now proudly claim they have mass imported so many lefties that all guns must go, as their left know lefties cannot be trusted, anywhere, anytime, with anything.

  153. Andrew

    M0nty fully backs violent action against the right he said so.

    Which is why he’s here mocking everyone when a retard leftist did what the monties on the internet, the ny times, cnn, etc have been loudly egging the likes of him on to do.

    Because he’s quietly fist pumping to himself.

    Surely you mean “fist pumping himself”?

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