ABC beat-up

Yes, I know. Another beat up at the ABC.

Red Symons is a 1970s rock star – he is also an ABC radio host on Melbourne radio. His style is irreverent but he always gets to make thoughtful points.

There is a kerfuffle in luvvie land over a podcast featuring Red and Beverley Wang. Ms Wang is an ABC podcaster running a show called It’s Not A Race. The Age is running hysterical coverage:

ABC Radio has gone into delayed damage control following presenter Red Symons’ offensive remarks to a fellow broadcaster.

Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane said while it is important to discuss race, those conversations must be respectful.

“Racism doesn’t require malice in your heart. It is as much about impact as it is about intent,” he said.

“It’s important we’re able to talk about race, but let’s do it with respect. Too often prejudice is tolerated as good-natured banter, when it should be rejected for the racism it represents.”

I have just listened to the full podcast* – what I heard was good natured banter between two people where one is dealing with a difficult and controversial topic, and the other is creating opportunity for the first to promote her podcast and highlight the arguments she wants to present. I reckon neither Tim Soutphommasane or any of the hysterical bed wetting journalists bagging Symons have listened to the podcast. If anyone is seriously offended by that exchange the ABC needs to have a long hard look at itself and rethink what it is hoping to achieve from that podcast.

 

*The ABC seem to have taken down the podcast and it’s too big to load on the Cat.

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66 Responses to ABC beat-up

  1. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    If anyone is seriously offended by that exchange the ABC needs to have a long hard look at itself

    What’s new?

    I have been chortling about the responses from the luvvies but didn’t realise Alphabet Soup had lined up to make a goose of himself again

  2. Roger

    Too often prejudice is tolerated as good-natured banter, when it should be rejected for the racism it represents.

    Crap.

    Racism is a pseudo-scientific doctrine of racial superiority exemplified by the Nazis which few Australians have any sympathy for.

    Good natured banter – as opposed to expressions of ugly bigotry- has for decades been a way of acknowledging and negotiating ethnic and cultural differences in which migrants have often given as good as they have got.

    Thankfully, most migrants are not as humourless as Tim S..

  3. Nick

    Funny you should write this Sinc as I was about to say something on the Open Forum. When you read what Symons said, you can sense that his tone was humorous and that what he said could have been interpreted as being funny or parody. Him raising the tone of his voice doesn’t mean anger. This has all the marks of a beat up.

  4. Baldrick

    Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane said while it is important to discuss race, those conversations must be respectful.
    “Racism doesn’t require malice in your heart. It is as much about impact as it is about intent,” he said.

    What? So Tim Southpossumarse didn’t invite anyone offended to contact his office?
    Oh that’s right. Symons is employed by TheirABC.

  5. Tim Neilson

    Was Beverley Wang offended?
    If not, what standing does anyone else have to take offence?

  6. .

    Red Symons’ name is an insult to all native Americans and he ought to rename himself “Crimson Bass”.

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    Wouldnt it be funny if the alpbc comrades were dragged through southpawinsanes racist tribunal ? Typical commos they even hate their own comrades the dragon eating its own tail , why dont we all complain about symons racism to the trigs gang . help them screw each other.

  8. H B Bear

    The ALPBC does seem to be developing a habit of having potentially embarrassing items disappear down the memory hole. I guess that isn’t surprising from the staff co-op who think that 1984 is a training manual,

    Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.

  9. Baldrick

    No, Wang doesn’t have a problem with it:

    Viveka ☯ @viveka
    Look I mean it’s fine, it’s just… it’s 2017, the idea that Asian Australians should have to engage in this conversation at this level…
    _____________________________
    beverley wang ✔ @beverleywang
    Replying to @viveka
    I think you’ve misunderstood. Please listen to the full series to place it in context.

  10. H B Bear

    Please let me take racist offence on your behalf …

  11. Slim Cognito

    The ALPBC does seem to be developing a habit of having potentially embarrassing items disappear down the memory hole. I guess that isn’t surprising from the staff co-op who think that 1984 is a training manual,

    Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future.

    Not just the ABC. The Sunrise footage of Cassie Jaye being interviewed was also taken down by 7. It is still about if you look for it.

    Apparently its OK to pretend it never existed if you don’t come off looking good.

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Offendarati are just victimologists on steroids.

  13. .

    That Cassie Jaye on Sunrise thing is gold.

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    Australia’s Race Discrimination Commissioner Tim Soutphommasane said while it is important to discuss race, those conversations must be respectful.

    Kung fu panderer comes to the rescue!

  15. Pedro the Ignorant

    Southpossumarse touting for business again?

    I get livid when I think of how my taxes are helping to pay for this little slug’s lifestyle.

  16. Combine Dave

    So the left has co-opted Asians?

    Okay end migration. Enough.

  17. Blind Freddy

    I have never seen or heard any evidence that the ABC wants to have a balanced discussion about race, so the
    Implication is 97% of climate scientists support the view that white guys are racist, even those scientists on the left of politics who work in the field of global warming.

  18. stackja

    Combine Dave
    #2414495, posted on June 16, 2017 at 5:34 pm
    So the left has co-opted Asians?

    Okay end migration. Enough.

    ALP did end migration and then called it white Australia and blamed Menzies.

  19. Deplorable

    Look I mean it’s fine, it’s just… it’s 2017, the idea that Asian Australians should have to engage in this conversation at this level…

    I understood that Wang was a Canadian Australian??????????

  20. John constantine

    Their ABC also seem to be cleaning up their historic countdown live studio music clips.

    Anybody ever been disturbed by the apparent ages of the girls right up front dancing for skyhooks on countdown?.

    Just as well none of them ever got an invite to the famous countdown after parties.

  21. .

    The Asian chick actually put forward the idea that people should stop taking offence on her behalf. Co-opted by the left? Hardly.

  22. areff

    Personally, when I need to understand Australian racism and our deplorable national character, I take the word of a newly arrived Canadian

  23. Texas Jack

    Tim Soutphommasane: “…while it is important to discuss race, those conversations must be respectful.”
    Texas Jack: Reeaaaaaaaaally Tim? Discussing race is important you reckon? Since when? Like compared to what? I thought all that stuff was off limits along with all those LGBTIWTFF matters one must never mention. You wouldn’t be making shit up to make it sound like you’re actually earning that old $320-large our Feds piss into your pocket for doing very little annually?
    TS: Well Texas the….
    TJ: (cuts him off) And the conversation MUST, you say M U S T be respectful? Seriously? Why’s that exactly? Like the kinda respect say North Korean generals show to Dear Leader at missile launches. The kind shown to Big Mal by Liberal backbenchers keen to brownnose their way up the progressive power pole?
    FFS

  24. Combine Dave

    .
    #2414553, posted on June 16, 2017 at 6:30 pm
    The Asian chick actually put forward the idea that people should stop taking offence on her behalf. Co-opted by the left? Hardly.

    Her Twitter page now tells a very different story….

  25. Combine Dave

    Combine Dave
    #2414495, posted on June 16, 2017 at 5:34 pm
    So the left has co-opted Asians?

    Okay end migration. Enough.

    ALP did end migration and then called it white Australia and blamed Menzies.

    Maybe PM Shorten can be called upon to bring it back.

    Given his views on Chinese pieshop owners and Japanese manufacturers (of cars n subs) he might just!

  26. Combine Dave

    Jesus enough

    If the only way to end baizuo leftie identity racial politics than end immigration.

    It’s not worth it.

    https://twitter.com/beverleywang/status/875479353932435457

  27. H B Bear

    Symons should really have been making Wang jokes anyway, not this Asian stuff.

  28. duncanm

    Racism doesn’t require malice in your heart. It is as much about impact as it is about intent,

    really Sourpuss? Please do tell.

    Impact on whom? Are you trying to drum up business beyond the immediate pair involved in the discussion?

    What a twat.

  29. stackja

    ABC Radio has gone into delayed damage control following presenter Red Symons’ offensive remarks to a fellow broadcaster.

    Red offended Beverley Wang? Aged is offended? About what? Oven cooking?
    All as silly as only the Left can get.

  30. Nerblnob

    Symons was a fully paid-up ABC luvvie lefty. Maybe this’ll make him consider what his friends are really like.

    Or more likely he’ll indulge in a bout of self-criticism before the People’s Tribunal in order to stay under the umbrella.

  31. abel

    is anyone willing to upload the interview onto dropbox or soundcloud? Can’t access it via the ABC website, nor the link from above

  32. Token

    The left will always destroys it’s own champions if given enough time.

    I feel there is nothing new in this story.

  33. stackja

    Token
    #2414622, posted on June 16, 2017 at 7:45 pm
    The left will always destroys it’s own champions if given enough time.

    I feel there is nothing new in this story.

    Stalin destroyed millions.
    Khrushchev pretended to support Stalin.
    Then the ‘secret speech’.

  34. Turtle of WA

    I love it.

    Lefties attacking lefties over ever-increasingly microscopic minutiae.

    They hate themselves; they hate each other; they hate their country; they hate humans.

  35. For the information of Cats who may not have heard of her, this Beverley Wang is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    She’s SJW ditz to the core.

    Red Symons is anything but. He is many things;
    Communist
    Rock Star
    TV personality
    Celebrity
    Not remotely funny
    Very intelligent (IQ reputedly north of 150)
    Highly educated – Degree in Pure Mathematics, plus possibly more degree.
    Extremely mentally agile
    VERY quick on his feet
    Bold & extroverted
    Usually about Five moves ahead of his interlocutor.

    You’ve got to be very sharp, and have your wits about you, to hold an adversarial, or probing conversation with him.

    Beverley Wang didn’t have a chance – it was 10 – 0 his way.

  36. stackja

    Salvatore at the Pub
    #2414629, posted on June 16, 2017 at 7:56 pm

    Beverley Wang is an ‘Asian woman’ and must be ‘superior’.

  37. a reader

    Red can be bloody funny sometimes. There were lots and lots of moments of that in the Hey Hey days.

  38. Beverley Wang is an ‘Asian woman’ and must be ‘superior’.

    That’s how she sees herself. You couldn’t fly over her at under 40,000 feet or you’d collide with the hubris.

  39. Red can be bloody funny sometimes. There were lots and lots of moments of that in the Hey Hey days.

    Never got to see the show, for one reason or another.

  40. Arky

    Taiwanese are as racist as anyone.
    I should know.
    I married one.
    Time to stop this stupid shit that Aussies are so racist.
    Its shit.
    Sure you are all crims and homosexuals, and your women folk are all easy.
    But exceptionally racist you are not.

  41. GerardO

    No ABC, no RAGE. You haven’t thought this through, have you, Sinc?

  42. Rabz

    Red is a long time hero of mine (despite his occasional regrettable utterances) and I’m not afraid to admit it.

    Skyhooks knew how to purvey top quality pop songs:

  43. Rabz

    Bluddee hell – he wasn’t in that song – “musical differences” obviously having reared their ugly hydra heads.

  44. JohnA

    Red Symons is a 1970s rock star

    LOL!!! No – ROFL!!!

    You gotta be kidding!

  45. C.L.

    Agreed. Symons has a quirky delivery but he was clearly acting the dumb everyman for Wang’s benefit.
    That said, Symons sucked as a guitarist. He had sheet music in front of him on Hey, Hey. Sad.

  46. Oh come on

    It’s important we talk about pseudoscientific 19th century crankery? Why?

  47. Oh come on

    Very intelligent (IQ reputedly north of 150)

    Just ask him.

  48. Oh come on

    Women In Uniform is far from pop. Glam rock, OK.

  49. Oh come on

    That said, Symons sucked as a guitarist. He had sheet music in front of him on Hey, Hey. Sad.

    Interesting. Isn’t there a positive correlation between high mathematical proficiency and musical talent? Perhaps any musical talent that results from being a skilled mathematician is technical in nature?

  50. Robber Baron

    Someone yellow currently living in Germany needs to contact Tim and lodge a complaint.

  51. Oh come on

    I guess that isn’t surprising from the staff co-op who think that 1984 is a training manual,

    Hahahaha for a while I’ve said the left views 1984 not as a hellish dystopia, or a precautionary tale. No! They view it as a how-to guide. And their goal is to reach the Inner Party.

  52. Oh come on

    Why piss about with Tim when you can get a bunch of brothers together and go straight to Slugs & Grubs?

  53. areff

    Rabz: Happy Hippy Hut and this.

    Any other old farts interested, Died Pretty and Radio Birdman are playing the Croxton Concert Venue, Thornbury, on June 30.

    I once looked good in leather trousers, like Deniz Tek, but they made it hard to slide off the back seats of taxis. Still have more hair than Rob Younger though, but.

    Descent into the Maelstrom*

  54. john constantine

    “broadcaster apologises for racial interview”

    This is the way their guardian looks after its own creatures and reported the incident.

  55. Token

    Agreed. Symons has a quirky delivery but he was clearly acting the dumb everyman for Wang’s benefit.

    Satire is not allowed in this new world order controlled by the alt left.

    Symonds has “destroyed” enough people with help of culture warriors like Fat Andy Demetriou via his radio spot so should not be surprised.

  56. one old bruce

    They tarred and feathered Symons on a Saturday Night show c1990.

    His response, while being carried on a pole covered in feathers was, “That takes care of the J*w!”.

    Incredibly poignant. I don’t know how we got from that Australia I knew to Triggs now. No leftist back then would have proposed we create a puritanical prohibitionist witch-hunt bureaucracy. I blame the bluestockings, who never went away but periodically ride into power on the backs of men.

  57. IainC

    Unfortunately for Red, he thought he was talking to grown-ups.

  58. Pyrmonter

    It’s been two generations (at least) since race could be discussed with a straight face in polite society, a demonstration that social sanction can spontaneously inhibit the propagation of bad ideas. How then the ABC thought discussion focused on it was a good idea – as opposed to discussion of personal experience – is the more worthwhile question. Is jt so long since Australians (rightly Timmy mind) lampooned South Africa’s pseud-scientific classification of races and were embarrassed by our own attempts at the same process in the first half of the 20th century?

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/itsnotarace/introducing-new-abc-podcast-its-not-a-race/8546298

  59. Squirrel

    “It’s important we’re able to talk about race, but let’s do it with respect. Too often prejudice is tolerated as good-natured banter, when it should be rejected for the racism it represents.”

    So comforting to know that Tim understands the psychic scarring suffered daily, silently, by countless Skips.

  60. Combine Dave

    Arky
    #2414721, posted on June 16, 2017 at 9:19 pm
    Taiwanese are as racist as anyone.
    I should know.
    I married one.
    Time to stop this stupid shit that Aussies are so racist.
    Its shit.
    Sure you are all crims and homosexuals, and your women folk are all easy.
    But exceptionally racist you are not.

    Fair enough. 😀

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