Do not visit North Korea

There is little doubt that the North Korean regime is the most odious in the world. Its abuses are legendary and the clique has impoverished the country since 1948. The gap between North and South Korea is so great that it is difficult to imagine the shock when finally they are reintegrated. The amalgamation of East and West Germany was a walk in the park by comparison.

Yet North Korea is promoting tourism – to get hard currency – and thousands of people are travelling to the country to gawk at the sites and people allowed by the regime. Under very controlled circumstances.

The 21 year old American student Otto Warmbier was one such tourist. He took a political propaganda poster was arrested, subject to torture and sentenced to 15 years hard labour. He has been returned to the US after the regime’s probing of his brain led to him going into a coma and suffering extensive brain damage.

This is but one reason to not visit North Korea. The main reason is that we should not provide money to that evil regime.

Perhaps the Australian Government will be invited to support the People’s Liberation Army of China as it storms into North Korea, destroys an odious regime and installs an administrator. That’s really the only reason one should visit North Korea.

North Korea’s regime exists only because China allows it to. It is increasingly becoming a threat to China as well as the world in general and one hopes that China acts before it is too late.

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72 Responses to Do not visit North Korea

  1. Shy Ted

    But they do really cheap haircuts.

  2. Oh come on

    And don’t vote Trump!

  3. Entropy

    Why hasn’t china done anything about it?

  4. GP

    My Dad visited North Korea. He was carrying a Bren gun.

  5. A Lurker

    Captain Obvious states that…”Do not visit North Korea”, perhaps Captain Obvious should also warn against sticking a fork into a live electrical socket.

    I would have thought that not visiting North Korea would be as clear as the day to anyone with a semblance of a working brain.

  6. Tel

    I thought North Korea was allowed to exist because each generation needs a reminder of why socialism sucks shit so bad.

    I guess we have Venezuela serving that purpose now, but this is a recent development and perhaps won’t be as stable as North Korea.

  7. Dr Fred Lenin

    It should be compulsory for all “progressives” to stay with a peasant family in North Korea during the winter three months , eating their great food for with a minder from the Ministry of Trutn watching them 24/7 . You know I may just have found a cure for socialism ,that dreadfull disease. the spoilt brats get .

  8. duncanm

    I hadn’t heard about the fate of poor Otto.

    Appalling.

  9. Chris

    Dr Fred, that is a great idea. Can we propose names for the first shipment?

  10. The Hunted Mind

    It should be compulsory for all “progressives” to stay with a peasant family in North Korea during the winter three months

    When most of us think of North Korea we commiserate with the citizens and peasants and think of how awful it would be to live there. Progressives automatically think of being in the ruling clas and how wonderful it would be to live there. I doubt that a stint with the peasants would change any progressive’s mindset. They’re psychopaths.

  11. notaluvvie

    There would be no point shipping off “progressives” to live (sic) under the regime. There are plenty Walter Durantys about to generate fake news. But of course we have our very own: Anna Broinowski.

  12. .

    I thought a lot of Westerners travelled to the USSR in the inter-war years and it opened their eyes and they no longer glorified Uncle Joe.

    Maybe we need more of this.

  13. mh

    Dennis Rodman has presented a North Korean minister with a copy of Donald Trump’s book on the final day of his action packed tour of the communist country.

    The former basketballer handed over The Art Of The Deal to the sports minister during a meeting on a restaurant boat on Taedong River.

    A supporter of Mr Trump, Rodman appeared on the US Celebrity Apprentice, and earlier this week said he thought the President would be “pretty happy” about his visit.

  14. Carpe Jugulum

    GP
    #2414999, posted on June 17, 2017 at 9:06 am

    My Dad visited North Korea. He was carrying a Bren gun.

    My dad just had a rifle.

  15. notafan

    As long as they can buy our land though

  16. EB

    He took a political propaganda poster

    Sounds like he already had brain damage before he arrived.

  17. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Otto’s tale should be told to every would-be tourist.

  18. Arky

    You farking idjit.
    North Korea is their creature.
    Why would they do something about it?
    Utterly demented.

  19. Dr Fred Lenin

    Chris we are opening the passenger list ,the vessel is a live sheep expprt one it holds 30 000 sheep so shoukd hold 10 000 “progressives ” . Watering and feeding troughs are available as tgey are used to the raxpayer troght for feed ,the adjustment will be easy . Sanitwry arrangements are up tou,n, standards. they are hosed out with sea water . It should take two weeks to get there the menu will be mostly grass and hay to make them familiat with what the next three months diet will be .

  20. Razor

    The North Korean issue is a prime example of kicking the bucket down the road. The inability to raise the courage by the western leadership and finish the job has now left the world in a parlous state regarding nuclear nightmare.

    I have no doubt that the leadership of North Korea would now commit suicide in a blaze of glory than to ever admit they might be ideologically wrong – an acute, constant failing of the political left.

    Don’t see an answer except don’t prick the pimple – there is a lot of dangerous pus there.

  21. stackja

    A Stalin gift that keeps on giving. Red China’s agenda is continuous disruption.

  22. candy

    Would it be okay to trade more with North Korea?

    I think a country prospering brings them out of the dark ages/totalitarianism, as nothing else will, as people see more, like it, and want a better way of life.

  23. iampeter

    North Korea’s regime exists only because China allows it to. It is increasingly becoming a threat to China as well as the world in general and one hopes that China acts before it is too late.

    It wouldn’t be in China’s interested to act against NK as it is better for them to have a dangerous and crazy hermit kingdom than an American proxy like South Korea.

    Without NK they lose an enormous amount of influence in the region and America could snap up could military base real estate. It won’t happen.

    No if anything China will be going for both the South China Sea and Vietnam in the foreseeable future. I don’t think people realize just what a powder keg is quietly developing there at the moment.

  24. john malpas

    North Korea tests the resolve of the USA and quite cheaply too. A very useful litmus for Chinese expansionism

  25. Oh come on

    Arky, the North Korean nuclear warheads production and its ballistic missile programme is intended to be just as much a deterrent to the Chinese as it is the ROK/US forces. Above all else, the Kim dynasty wants to continue to rule NK. There are plenty of scenarios whereby the Chinese might feel compelled to topple Kim and set up their own puppet state on capitalism with Chinese characteristics. Kim knows this full well and so he is seeking a force multiplier in the hope this deters the ring of far more powerful adversaries that surround it – even the nominal allies the Chinese.

    Oh and another thing the Chinese *really* don’t want is for the Norks to spark a regional nuclear arms race, in with countries with advanced nuclear power generation programmes and advanced rocketry know how like Japan and the ROK (and to a lesser extent, Taiwan). It’s fairly widely assumed that Japan has an undeclared arsenal of barely disassembled nuclear weapons kept in a turnkey state. The ROK may well do, too. And the Chinese DEFINITELY don’t want the Taiwanese to try and a catch up.

    An east Asian nuclear arms race sparked by Kim’s brinkmanship, rooted in his desperation to stay in control, would be a geo-strategic disaster for China of a magnitude not seen since the Sino-Soviet split. Perhaps even more serious, as China would have to join the race, which would mean India would join in earnest, too, and Russia would probably redeploy a portion of its tactical nuclear deterrent to defend the vast border it shares with China. Except that whole part of the work to become a hellva lot more dangerous if NK can’t be reigned in by the Chinese.

    And all because Kim won’t take his billions and quietly fuck off to Switzerland or somewhere. Oh no, the Chinese are *not* pleased with North Korea’s games AT ALL and are at least as keen for them to disarm as any other country.

  26. Oh come on

    And there’s really no guarantee Kim can be reigned in by the Chinese. Kim is very unlikely to accept a Chinese-brokered deal which results in Kim going peacefully. Kim values his grip on power more than his increasingly strained alliance with China, which already seems to be in the preliminary stages of divorce proceedings anyway.

  27. Arky

    And all because Kim won’t take his billions and quietly fuck off to Switzerland or somewhere. Oh no, the Chinese are *not* pleased with North Korea’s games AT ALL and are at least as keen for them to disarm as any other country.

    ..
    What is your evidence for that?
    What has Chins done that makes you think that?
    Links please.

  28. Mitchell Porter

    The North Korean view, as I understand it, is something like: Korea was a Japanese colony. Half the country was liberated, but the south is still an American colony. The country’s life today is the latest and final stage of a multi-generational struggle to liberate the whole of Korea. So their life now is a direct continuation of the spartan life of the partisans who resisted Imperial Japan.

  29. Oh come on

    Arky, I have given you plenty of logic how an East Asian nuclear arms race could come about. This is not controversial, I certainly don’t claim to have come up with the idea.

    Currently, China is the big declared nuclear power in East Asia, and its conventional forces are easily the most formidable in the region, minus US intervention. Again, this is not controversial. China is perfectly happy with this status quo. Why wouldn’t they be?

    But if a bunch of smaller neighbours start to tool up with nukes in response to Kim doing the same, China’s conventional hard power advantage becomes much less consequential, and the value of their nuclear capacity declines sharply as these weapons proliferate. I shouldn’t have to provide links. This is just a fairly conventional strategic assessment of a nuclearised Korean peninsula. If you think I’m wrong, provide reasons why.

    Citations are usually necessary when a statement of fact has been made that requires verifying. However, if someone is offering widely known circumstances and extrapolating from these, then don’t be a pansy and demand a reference for the extrapolations I’ve made. Examine my reasoning and tell me where you think it’s flawed.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    China probably use the NK shitheap as an example to their own people “you think you got it hard ,look at them “

  31. Arky

    OCO.
    PRC benefits from having a North Korean boogyman to wave at the US.
    And uses it to play the role of moderate and therefore extract a quid pro quo.
    This is obvious.
    Your explanation fails.

  32. mh

    China probably use the NK shitheap as an example to their own people “you think you got it hard ,look at them “

    Turnbull and Shorten will both use the same example when our electricity goes off.

  33. Muddy

    North Korea would do well to pitch themselves as a honeymoon destination for Year Zero wannabes. “Execute a random peasant at your leisure.” The Zeros would get to experience the power of life and death they only froth about in their dreams at home.

  34. John Clark

    Oh come on – I dunno. I agree with your scenario of China’s position but:
    Where is NK getting assistance from to pursue its current obsession with the ICBM delivery of nukes? Which country is the conduit for the scientific knowledge, specialist fabrication technology and the
    controlled materials for construction of them, and what happens to NK aggression if the tap is turned off?

    As observed in an earlier comment, it suits China to have a stalking horse to test the resolve of the USA in the Pacific. It is not a coincidence that the weak effort by the Obama administration to restrain China’s expansion in the in the South China Sea is matched by a more aggressive NK.

    Some years ago it was noted that NK was a rabid dog on a chain, and China was holding the chain.

  35. Tel

    When most of us think of North Korea we commiserate with the citizens and peasants and think of how awful it would be to live there. Progressives automatically think of being in the ruling clas and how wonderful it would be to live there. I doubt that a stint with the peasants would change any progressive’s mindset. They’re psychopaths.

    I’m pretty sure they would say that raising the minimum wage is the best way to solve the problems of North Korea.

  36. Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus

    You’re quite wrong Arky. There are many examples through history where a puppet state has ended up threatening the master. In the case of North Korea, the capability of sending nuclear weapons (and the will to do so) at China is a tremendous threat that the Chinese Government is acutely aware of. And the time for China to act against the regime is before that capability has been fully tested and installed.

  37. Oh come on

    OCO.
    PRC benefits from having a North Korean boogyman to wave at the US.
    And uses it to play the role of moderate and therefore extract a quid pro quo.
    This is obvious.
    Your explanation fails.

    That is a laughably unsophisticated analysis, Arky. Seriously.

    Do you think China and the US are two children at a sleepover telling ghost stories? Jesus wept.

    You clearly know very little about the situation on the Korean Peninsula. It is not the Chinese extracting “quid pro quo” from the US. NK and China were allies for ideological reasons during and after the Korean War, but that is now largely a historical artefact. China benefits from NK these days by having a large, desperately poor buffer zone between themselves and the free, developed economy that is SK. The Chinese government is paranoid about such things, and for good reason. They don’t want a relative paragon of freedom and prosperity gleaming just across the Yalu river! Particularly one that could be garrisoned by tens of thousands of US military personnel. The ChiComs are having a hard enough time trying to keep a lid on the social pressures that are building up as a result of the sudden increase in the prosperity of hundreds of millions that has resulted from the post-Maoist economic reforms in their own country. The last thing they want is a bunch of dangerous ideas about democracy, human rights and all the other things the SKs enjoy flooding over a free North Korean frontier into China.

    No, it’s the NKs that play the quid pro quo game with the US. Give us food, we’ll halt construction on our reactor – thanks very much for the food! Oh we’re working on our reactor again, give us more stuff so we’ll stop.

    The NKs have been doing this since the 90s. And the US has frequently caved. That’s changing, though. The multilateral gabfest on denuclearising the Korean Peninsula – the five way talks between the two Korea’s, China, Japan and the USA have dragged on interminably and achieved little. The Norks have always demanded bilateral talks with the USA and always been rebuffed.

    But here’s an interesting thing – after Trump came to power, there was a four way multilateral talk about denuclearising the Korean Peninsula. Guess who wasn’t invited? No, they didn’t refuse to attend – they weren’t invited. Can you guess? Well…here’s a hint. The spurned country’s previous leader made a great marionette doll in Team America. So the rogue country with the nukes on the Korean Peninsula was shut out of talks while the grown-ups try to decide how to solve the problem of that rogue country.

    And, in another sign the Chinese are now fully aware that the Norks and their missiles are a threat to their nearby Territory – for the first time ever, the Chinese abstained in a Security Council vote to slap more sanctions on NK for testing rockets, rather than their standard practice of exercising their veto to protect NK.

    In a more recent UNSC meeting, the Chinese for the first time ever didn’t just abstain from a vote to put ever more sanctions on NK – the Chinese ambassador voted FOR the sanctions! That is truly historic and probably a turning point in Sino-Nork relations.

    The Chinese know full well that if Kim goes to far with his weapons program, it’s going to fuck their shit up. That’s why you’re seeing the shifting loyalties in the UNSC. That’s why you’re seeing China refusing to purchase NK coal, that’s 80 of their total exports. That’s why China has sealed the borders to inbound trade, too. China is tightening the screws on NK.

    There’s a good chance it won’t work of course and military intervention will be necessary. I can’t see Kim giving up his one trump card that keeps him in power. I suspect the Chinese will end up invading, topping Kim and colonising NK, introducing the same market reforms that is making China wealthy, while retaining authoritarian control.

    There is no way SK would be willing to reunite with NK in the state it’s in. You thought West Germany digesting the East was a hugely uncomfortable meal to stomach – that would be like eating a piece of popcorn compared to SK and NK reuniting now! No, the key is China to go in and make their lives incrementally less miserable, and the border between the north and south will remain. Maybe in a few decades, Korea may unify when there’s a degree of economic parity. If China wants to let the North go.

    Anyway, we’ll see.

  38. Oh come on

    Two Koreas – stupid autocorrect! Why does it always assume a possessive apostrophe?

  39. Chris M

    Other countries should impose a heavy fee on anyone who visits NK, like an exit visa fee.

    You want to visit NK? Sure that will be $20,000 per person. Some of this can be spent to help those that have escaped and suffered like this poor boy and his family, but it’s main use would be the disincentive factor.

  40. Arky

    NK and China were allies for ideological reasons during and after the Korean War, but that is now largely a historical artefact.

    ..
    And still are. Current treaty extends out into the 2020s.
    Oh. If the PRC are just as concerned about the Norks as we are, then great!
    It’s their baby, they can deal with it.
    Now about that currency manipulation and human rights stuff China…

  41. Arky

    Don’t like my analysis?
    Have someone else’s:

    There is no doubt that China has the ability to bring North Korea’s economy to its knees. It can cut trade links and oil supplies, shut down the internet, banking services and tourism. “These things would devastate the North Korean economy,” says Minxin Pei of Claremont McKenna College. “But the reality is that Beijing is far from this point.”
    Beijing warns a ‘storm is about to break’ as tensions mount over N Korea
    Pyongyang threatens to use nuclear capacity if US launches pre-emptive strike

    The uncomfortable truth for the US is that Beijing remains inclined to tolerate its exasperating client state for as long as Washington looms as China’s chief strategic competitor. This orientation is so entrenched that anything less than a genuine — and potentially terrifying — crisis may fail to shift it.

    As US-China rivalries escalate in the South China Sea and several other theatres, the idea that Beijing may jettison a longstanding ally to please its biggest rival may prove to be wishful thinking.

    https://www.ft.com/content/88525dda-1a12-11e7-a266-12672483791a

  42. stackja

    Stalin/Mao/Kim the real axis of evil.

  43. Oh come on

    Oh. If the PRC are just as concerned about the Norks as we are, then great!
    It’s their baby, they can deal with it.
    Now about that currency manipulation and human rights stuff China…

    Aaaaand that’s what’s known as changing the subject.

  44. Oh come on

    Don’t like my analysis?
    Have someone else’s:

    Well you haven’t really made an analysis of any value. You made a claim which you didn’t support, you said I failed, and then offered the product of someone else’s knowledge on this matter to make up for your own knowledge deficit. Yeah, anyone can google some article, it’s pretty easy.

    Very sloppy work indeed, Arky. D-

  45. DM OF WA

    Why don’t you demand we boycott Communist China too, while you are at it?

    North Korea may be a “rogue state” but it is and always has been a vital cog in Communist Chinese geostrategic planning.

    The horror that is North Korea continues solely because Communist China benefits enormously from the status quo.

    So you sanctimonious types demanding a boycott of tourist visits to North Korea should, if you are sincere, urge boycotts of North Korea’s paymaster – Communist China.

  46. Arky

    What we have here is a communist apologising pair of shits.

  47. Oh come on

    I didn’t even read your quoted article before posting, Arky. Just did then. Nothing remotely new or insightful there at all. Could have been written by a not particularly clever first year undergrad, but hey that’s modern journalism for you.

    Of COURSE China could bring NK to its knees! NK doesn’t care, NK was on its knees throughout much of the last 20 years! The country has been stockpiling materiel for war since the ceasefire 70+ years ago – these people are the ultimate preppers and Kim and his inner circle will happily live like The Bourbons off the surpluses while millions starve. The state exists for the Kim family, not the other way around. What do they care if a few million peasants starve? That’s what happened last time. So what if Beijing cuts the power? The elites will have access to fuel and small power plants and generators and they’ll have the comforts they’re used to – as for the rest, don’t underestimate how much suffering an indoctrinated people will endure.

    While Kim holds his nukes, he’s a threat. And in fact, considering the very likely possibility of a massive artillery bombardment on Seoul if attacked by the US and SK from the south, I suspect this won’t happen. China through the back door is more likely, I think. After all, the Chinese have just as much to fear as the Americans when it comes to a megalomaniac with his back against the wall and a fistful of ropey nukes in his hands. In fact, the Chinese have much more to fear due to their geographic proximity, while Kim’s clunkers have never flown more than a few hundred miles – that’s comfortably enough to hit the Chinese mainland. Even though I doubt they could attach a nuclear warhead small enough to its tip, there would still be lots of ways to unconventionally deliver a large warhead close to the Chinese coast. The US? Not so much.

  48. Arky

    This trick you have fallen for is like when you buy a used car and the salesman solemnly tells you he has to talk to his manager before he can throw in the rust proofing.
    In short you’re an idiot.
    For all intents and purposes the Norks and China are the same thing.

  49. Oh come on

    Now you’re just being pathetic, Arks. Learn to know when you’re beaten and be dignified about it.

  50. Arky

    Idiot is a tad strong.
    Mug punter is more like it,

  51. Arky

    Have you always been a communist sympathiser OCO?

  52. Oh come on

    This trick you have fallen for is like when you buy a used car and the salesman solemnly tells you he has to talk to his manager before he can throw in the rust proofing.

    No no you still haven’t refuted me on anything I’ve said, you’ve now resorted silly metaphors that you couldn’t even apply to the specifics of this discussion as you have no understanding of them, or what we are discussing.

  53. Oh come on

    Geez that’s imaginative, Arks.

  54. Arky

    Yeah.
    Sympathiser.
    That was too harsh too.
    Naive dope I meant.
    Look, I understand we have the tiger by the tail here.
    But our situation isn’t going to improve by forgetting the people who told us to grab it and hang on.
    Tiananmen should have been a massive wake up call.
    But we kept forging ahead.
    Remember the origins of this thing.
    One of the first things the Chicoms did was support Communist Korea.
    We almost had those bastards then the Chicoms invaded.

  55. DM OF WA

    Where do people get this idea that North Korea operates independently of Communist China?
    It defies common sense as well as what we can observe. North Korea depends on China for every aspect of its existence. Their ideology of juche is a hoax. It is not credible that North Korea achieved development of nuclear weapons and ballistic misiles without some technical assistance and supply of technologies. It seems quite plausible to me that there are strong links between senior members of the North Korean military and Communist China and that these people are agents of Communist China. That is speculation but it is how Communist China operates and it controls most comunication links between North Korea and the outside world.

  56. Arky

    OCO.
    Normally I love your balls.
    But today you have lost your shit.
    The first clue was finding yourself agreeing with the original poster, who I suspect is just Sinc. He probably writes a bunch of these on the full moon while under the influence of some evil concoction and then dribbles them out over the subsequent four weeks.
    Tell me I’m wrong Sinc.

  57. DM OF WA

    Does anyone remember the fate of Romania after the fall of the Berlin wall? Romanian dictator Ceaucescu also had a sham ideology based on national self-reliance but in reality was entirely dependent on Russia for propping up its hated régime. As soon as Russia stopped supporting it the Ceaucescu dictatorship collapsed overnight. North Korea has similarities to Romania.

  58. Arky

    This thread is dead.
    I killed it.
    Now I’m going to take a shit on its still warm, furry little corpse.

  59. Arky

    Nnnnnnnnnnggggggghhhhhhhur.

  60. GerardO

    This is clearly anti-Korean bigotry, singling out the world’s only Korean Communist autocracy. Shameful.

  61. Barry 1963

    NK acts rationally. The regimes has outlasted almost all others. For example, Saddam gave up his WMD program and look what happen to him. Soviet communism loosen things and see what went on there. It’s not my cup of tea, but the Kims have a solid track record of staying in power.

  62. Up The Workers!

    We should send the whole A.L.P. Federal Caucus over there.

    THAT’D befuddle their ‘brain-washing’ machines!

  63. Jannie

    The Norks may get a short term cash flow benefit, but long term opening up to tourism will undermine them.

    Every tourist will learn the awful truth, even as they tour Potemkin villages and happy nork actors singing the harvest song, the commissars are not sophisticated enough to carry it off.

    The Nork people and actors handling the tourists will see through it. The starving peasants may never see the tourists, but the news of the lotus eaters will trickle down.

    I would recommend a visit to NK for all adventurous SJWs. Travel broadens the mind.

  64. John constantine

    North Korea has no guns in the hands of the proles and no chance of the political class being threatened by the underclass.

    Meat free Monday really means something in North Korea.

    Earth Hour electricity savings are so popular the proles do it all the time.

    North Korea proves how vital it is to get a good job inside the Looting Class, repressing the proles, instead of battling away to feed your repressers.

  65. Robber Baron

    Why isn’t Nth Korea taking their fair share of Muslim welfare shoppers.

  66. John constantine

    The Stalinist that has occupied the major rural journal of yarragrad for the revolutionary forces also runs tours of merkels Germany, so the cadres can feel the full experience of what it is possible to do with enough cannon fodder.

    Whenever a Stalinist tours a place where one step out of line by an enemy if the State

  67. John constantine

    Stalinist’s touring hell holes never feel like they would be the enemies of the people, serving time for their crimes against the State in the open air jail gulags that are all of the country outside the Bollards.

    Stalinist orc froth in frenzied phantasies that they will be the ones regulating exactly when the whips will be used, and how many steps out of line constitute an escape attempt.

    Their is no escape from the State, comrades.

  68. Nerblnob

    I doubt any leftist would see the relevance of North Korea to the policies they love. I’ve dealt with loads back from Cuba who still think it’s paradise.

  69. Andrew

    You farking idjit.
    North Korea is their creature.
    Why would they do something about it?
    Utterly demented.

    Well KSA and USA aided and abetted ISIS but then ISIS turned on them both – why Arky is too thick today to realise that a pet can grow into a dangerous wild animal is beyond me. If you have a dangerous dog but then it snarls at your children, you get rid of it.

    Speaking of thick people, Lucy writes about PRC invading DPRK. For the first time in history, China wants to be part of the solution to the Kims. And why the change? In 5 months, China is sanctioning DPRK and Riyadh cracking down on Sunni terrorism. Would this have happened under Crimton45? Or just another series of disastrous regime changes.

  70. Arky

    Andrew is an evidence free zone.
    Where is the evidence or even logic that China does not support the Norks and/ or has been making a genuine effort to rein them in?
    Do you really think the Norks would have completed a FORTY YEAR quest to get the bomb and delivery system, while a treaty partner of Red China unless the Reds wanted that?
    Who is the thick one?
    Remind me again who we were really fighting during the Korean War?
    Have a look at Chinese Media and see all the movies and TV programs glorifying their victories during the Korean War.
    And grow up for fucks sake.
    I assume you idiots are too old to believe in fairy tales.

  71. J.H.

    Andrew
    #2415720, posted on June 18, 2017 at 9:45 am……
    No Andrew. ISIS was created by Assad. He was the one who gave Iraqi terrorists asylum in his country when they fled the US surge mostly in 2007. But Assad had been sponsoring and harboring terrorists for decades before that as well. He had quite a population of terrorists living on his territory.

    Come the Syrian protest marches of 2011, when Assad gave orders to shoot protesters and arrest opposition leaders, which then lead to the Army mutinying as Sunni soldiers refused to shoot Sunni protesters demonstrating against the tyranny of an elitist Shiite Government.

    Because Assad’s own Sunni population was now in open revolt with him, he used and paid this Iraqi Sunni component to maintain control of his oilfields and empowered these terrorists with patronage, money and weapons…… Those Iraqi Sunni’s became ISIS which attacked Iraq in 2013. Assad and ISIS fell out shortly there after.

    The Americans fund anti Assad rebels, mostly Kurds….. They don’t fund ISIS. Though Obama’s administration was being played by the Muslim Brotherhood for quite awhile…. But that was Obama policy, not America.

  72. notaluvvie

    Telling us not to visit North Korea (quite rightly) is akin to telling somebody not to hit himself in the face with a brick.

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