Updated: Vaping v Plain Packaging

In December 2012 Australia adopted a draconian anti-smoking policy in plain packaging. The evidence seems to suggest this policy has failed to substantially reduce smoking prevalence in Australia. At about the same time (2012) vaping became very popular in the UK.

So how has that worked out? Last week the UK released its latest smoking prevalence data. Unlike Australia where that data comes out on a three-year cycle, the UK data are annual.

Anyway I plotted the data for Australia and the UK. (The UK counts individuals over the age of 18, while Australia normally includes individuals over 14 – so I have used the over 18 data for Australia for consistency.)

If the objective of policy is to get people to stop consuming combustible cigarettes then plain packaging isn’t the policy to adopt.

For more on the UK vaping experience see Chris Snowdon and Dick Puddlecote.

Update: In comments below Donna points out that I have compared Australian daily smoking data to the UK current smokers data and I should compare Australian current smokers data to the UK current smokers data. Quite right. Thank you for that.

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22 Responses to Updated: Vaping v Plain Packaging

  1. Some History

    Serious question: why don’t more smokers switch to using e-cigarettes?

    https://tinyurl.com/ydbogwal

  2. areff

    For your trans-Tasman nicotine fix.

    Recommended: Vanilla Beanie, Eve’s Apple, and the delicious Hasseltoff, but they are purely personal preferences.

    Apart from taste, think economy: If you’re dedicated nicotine fiend, at $25 a pack your habit is running to $175 a week! Thanks to the Doomlord’s post I remembered my stash was running low and just ordered what should be at least seven weeks’ supply of the flavours mentioned above. Total cost : $89NZ.

    Cost and taste are the first elements of vaping’s appeal. An almost greater attraction comes with imagining the horror on Scott Morrison’s face as he realises his tax receipts have vanished. He’ll have to tax bicycles and athletic wear instead, poor fellow, if he aims to continue supporting the lifestyles of climate scientists, penis-tuckers, arts practitioners and Simon Chapman. No doubt he can find a few apparatchik academics to whip up a quick paper on the damage Malvern Stars are doing to public health and Australia’s future.

    For those thinking of taking up vaping, buy a cheapish unit first to see if you like it. The eLeaf range is pretty good for starters, and the Basic model will run you about $50. Mine survived heavy use for eight months before packing it in. The current unit, a Coolfire IV TC100, is a beaut and, even allowing for a slight tendency to leak (“weep” is a better description) if the coil isn’t seated properly, works magnificently. Heartily recommended.

    Save yourselves some money, smokers. Start vaping

  3. Shannon

    Of course, despite all evidence to the contrary and the huge tide of regulatory approvals in just about every other developed nation, our TGA pig-headedly upheld the ban in March.

    We are governed by stupid people.

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  6. Sparkle Motion

    Little bit simplistic to simply relate changes to one factor?

    Surely the introduction of plain packaging/vaping in both countries was associated with other changes, both in public health and the broader community?

  7. Baldrick

    Vaping is the elephant in the room the government doesn’t want to acknowledge for single-handedly doing more for people quitting the fags than any government imposed regulation.

  8. After smoking for 47 years and trying to quit on numerous occasions, I took up vaping in May last year.
    Almost 14 months and NOT A SINGLE CIGARETTE, NOT ONE.

    The biggest problem with vaping in this (what is now) shit-hole of a draconian country is that I can’t get nicotine locally. I have to import the stuff from NEW FUCKING ZEALAND of all places.
    Now the Andrews azzhole is threatening to ban importing the stuff as well. It’s enough to incite an old man to baseball bats.

  9. Haidee

    I wonder if many women take up vaping. Probably not. It’s all changed, and our prized vintage Zippos are hidden away.

  10. Dr Faustus

    Cost and taste are the first elements of vaping’s appeal. An almost greater attraction comes with imagining the horror on Scott Morrison’s face as he realises his tax receipts have vanished.

    Annual excise on tobacco products is approximately $9 billion pa. While we can beneficially substitute vapes for smokes, there is no way the Government will be able to forgo the revenue while there is so much penis-tucking to do.

    Far from government embracing the health benefits (and whatever health budget savings that might bring), I forsee continued and increasing regulatory barriers.

  11. Diogenes

    When I can go through the comforting ritual of packing & lighting a pipe whilst relaxing after work, or popping the container on a new Cuban and inhaling that glorious odour, cutting & lighting, and the mouthfeel of even my (not so) ‘cheap shit’ daily smoke (Shorts) will I consider it

  12. Donna

    I think you’ll find with the latest 2016 data, Australia and the UK are neck and neck now.

    AU 15.7%, UK 15.8% daily and non daily ie. current smokers.

    Australia’s headline number is always ‘daily’ whereas the UK’s headline is ‘current’ smokers which include daily and non daily.

    It’s in the AIHW data, you just have to go digging for it in table 3.

  13. Steve trickler.

    Anyhow, have a Winfield.

  14. Nerblnob

    Smoking’s been on a downward trend for decades.

    Anybody can jump aboard and claim credit. That’s the whole modus operandi of Interventionism.

    What’s amazing is that so many people swallow their claims.

  15. .

    Diogenes
    #2417651, posted on June 20, 2017 at 11:49 am
    When I can go through the comforting ritual of packing & lighting a pipe whilst relaxing after work, or popping the container on a new Cuban and inhaling that glorious odour, cutting & lighting, and the mouthfeel of even my (not so) ‘cheap shit’ daily smoke (Shorts) will I consider it

    Therapeutic isn’t it?

    A pack of Havana Jewels now cost me nearly 40 dollars. This is bullshit. That is FIVE cigarillos. I would prefer counterfeit at half the price and 90% of the quality. Inadvertently, I think I have purchased these before.

    A single No 2 Romeo y Julieta costs $16.

    A “pinger” only costs $30. The government is driving people to the black market and illegal drugs.

  16. .

    Fuck you auto moderation. I am not trying to fucking sell tobacco. Release the comment hounds, Sinclair.

  17. C.L.

    I think it’s a stretch to describe vaping as “mainstream.”
    It’s still exotic.

  18. Louis

    Am I the only one tired of plain packaging threads? As far as bad policies go it’s a real nothing burger compared to just about every other bad policy out there of our governments.

  19. Tim Neilson

    No hostility intended Louis, but you don’t have to read them, and it isn’t some kind of zero sum game where these posts block other posts from appearing. If someone is motivated to criticise the latest inanity of the anti-nicotine Khmer Rouge, that doesn’t stop anyone else doing a posting on anything else.

  20. Boy on a bike

    How do the actual results stack up against the modelled predictions?

  21. .

    Louis
    #2418607, posted on June 21, 2017 at 12:41 pm
    Am I the only one tired of plain packaging threads? As far as bad policies go it’s a real nothing burger compared to just about every other bad policy out there of our governments.

    No we’re damned well not.

    The maximum fine for buying or selling non plain packaged stuff is absurd. 2000 penalty units for an individual and 10,000 for a corporation.

    “Nothing burger” – think long and hard about what you said, junior burger.

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