A question for “Electricity Bill”

It all about the electricity, Bill!

What is the plan from the party that is the Light on the Hill to handle fuel poverty and the deindustrialization of the nation?

That looks like an election-winning question except that it has to be asked by the man who made us use stupid light globes.

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61 Responses to A question for “Electricity Bill”

  1. Craig

    The plan is 50% renewables….that’s all you need to know Rafe. Get with the program!

  2. Tel

    Just impose higher penalty rates, so people can afford the higher electricity prices.

  3. Garry

    Just keep raising taxes on those that contribute so that we can compensate those that don’t!l

  4. OldOzzie

    02/07/2017 10:15

    QLD$78.12
    Demand
    5,588
    Generation
    6,664
    Wind and Other
    0

    Demand
    9,316
    Generation
    8,384
    Wind and Other
    173

    VIC$176.38
    Demand
    5,307
    Generation
    4,484
    Wind and Other
    360

    SA$164.97
    Demand
    1,147
    Generation
    662
    Wind and Other
    794

    TAS$140.10
    Demand
    1,464
    Generation
    1,287
    Wind and Other
    15

    NSW is supporting VIC and Surprisingly SA is supporting VIC

  5. Dr Fred Lenin

    Rafe, I moved into a new place four years ago ,first up I went to Coles and bought non turnbull globes ,I have instant light!I have removed mercury poison from my home ,and polluted the local landfill with poison that never breaks down !well done malky!,suppose goldman sachs pwned the bulb firm .
    A point ,it was alleged Ivan the Terrible was poisoned by Dmitri and Boris Godunov with mercury ,that would account for his homicidal rages ,Ibelieve he was exhumed and traces of mercury were found in his bones. Malky has heaps of people with poison hanging from their cielings. now theres innovation for you .i have been told to handle btoken malky ulbs with care ,if one cuts you it can leave mercury in yourbloodstream with serious consequences .if this happens get Sand G to sue malky and goldman sachs. Nice little earner for them .

  6. H B Bear

    The difference between the Lieborals and the Liars on intermittent power sources is 42% v 50% in 2050 or something. Welcome to the Uniparty.

    Good luck campaigning on that when people are facing a 20% increase in power prices next year.

  7. Leo G

    That looks like an election-winning question except that it has to be asked by the man who made us use stupid light globes.

    What’s stupid about his promotion of glowing-mercury vapour infusers- which have higher life-cycle energy cost than incandescents in household use- to save energy lighting homes?

  8. Marcus Classis

    Aaaand we all know that Maocolm ‘Agile’Innovative’ Turdball will be right on this.

    Why, Tits the Accused Rapist has handed him the next election on a golden platter, a guaranteed win right there on this issue.

    Yes Siree! A living political dynamo like the Great Turdball will be on this and up it like an ALP front bencher on to a five-year old boy.
    Like a Green on to the opportunity to kill a brown-skinned person.
    Like Monty on to a trip to Malmo.

    Why, with the Turdball’s record….

    Oh.

    Bugger.

    So, minimum six years of an incompetent accused rapist and brain-dead union corruptocrat as PM, huh?

  9. incoherent rambler

    Dear Dan,
    Hazelwood produced electricity at 3 to 4c per kwh wholesale. Arguably the cheapest electricity in the land.

    Why did you close it?

    yours spitefully
    IR

  10. john constantine

    Their andrews yarragrad government is 100% ruinables by 2050 and 40% by 2025.

    Signed into law. it is illegal to oppose it.

  11. john constantine

    Those that live on top of the hill will always have Light, that is the way that wealth redistribution works.

    The wealth of australia On Average is to be transferred to the hellholes that signed the international conventions for the overthrow of the Anglosphere into Law.

    Luckily enough, those top level oligarchs that are vital to getting the australian prole to roll over and go along with the process are important. Important enough to transnational socialism to be treated as vichy quislings, and get first pick of the spoils.

  12. Roger

    Their andrews yarragrad government is 100% ruinables by 2050 and 40% by 2025.

    Decarbonisation.

    Good and hard.

  13. RobK

    There was a letter to the editor in yesterday’s the Weekend West explaining that the CET was not a subsidy and that some retailers were signing up 10 year CET contracts for as little as $76/MWh with wind operators. The clown can’t see that low value non-dispatchable can only ever get that kind of return if mandated by regulation. So what happens in ten years time when you want dispatchable electricity?–you pay that amount plus the service of stored dispatchable subsidized by the coal atrophy process. In effect the author of that crazy letter (claiming wind is already cheaper than new coal) is comparing non-dispatchable to new coal (plus loading) and not allowing any cost for power on demand, as if batteries and pumped hydro are free. Where do these people come from.

  14. notafan

    The Australian Conservatives should run this issue hard, this winter bills will bite hard in many households.

  15. RobK

    The current cost of ownership of battery storage is around US$0.23/kWh or US$230/MWh but the bluesky green dream is to get it below US$100l MWh….we’re not there yet by a long way and even then, it ain’t cheap…especially if you have to add it to the $76/MWh of the CET contract above.

  16. john constantine

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/victorian-government-targets-net-zero-emissions-by-2050-2050/

    Their andrews government is hellbent on making victorias economy the most ruinables in Australia, as fast as possible.

    https://www.energy.vic.gov.au/renewable-energy/victorias-renewable-energy-targets

    Victoria and south australia show us what the shorten foundation will sign up unbreakable contracts for.

    Dynamite non ruinables, contract unbreakable subsidies for ruinables.

    Comrades.

  17. john constantine

    Winter bills are bad, but people will die from heat stress when the summer rolling blackouts kick in.

    Summer of 2018, the economic boost from the ‘plague pit’ economy that will be fueled by the mass dieoffs of the frail old age pensioner class, that used to survive summer with electric cooling will be a triumph for their left.

    “Bring out your Tory-voting dead”

  18. One thing I find odd is the talk that only Summer will see us testing the grid.

    In Winter, it must be somewhat similar as we need to have lights on earlier and for longer, we need electricity for heating in many cases, and especially for cooking, etc.

    Summer is a time when you don’t need to use lighting as much and cooking can often be done outside on a BBQ etc. I don’t feel like being outside tending a BBQ when it’s 1C outside.

  19. Winter bills are bad, but people will die from heat stress when the summer rolling blackouts kick in.

    More people the world over die from cold than heat.

  20. anonandon

    Bring back John Monash

  21. Up The Workers!

    Would that be “Electricity Bill” from the A.L.P. (Anti-Light & Power?)

    I’m still waiting for the vacuous dill to tell me precisely how many Canberra residents were “globally warmed” to death yesterday in their -7 degrees overnight temperature.

    Better pay some higher taxes to prevent this lethal “global warming”, eh Bill?

  22. John constantine

    In southeastern Australia, Summer is blackout season.

    Winter is the dying season in Europe and North America, but a heatwave in vicco combined with a prolonged blackout will allow the grim reaper to collect the backlog of people that have up to now escaped his grasp with air conditioning.

  23. John constantine

    Hot, still days in the vicco summer stop windmills dead.

    Can’t run air-con from solar panels without massive over investment.

  24. Habib

    It’s policy to impoverish us, cause blackouts, and de-industrialise the nation. These people are our enemy, and should be treated as such. What’s it say about the rank-and-file of the ETU, CFMEU etc whose “leadership” and acting to render them unemployed? TISM was right.

  25. Dr Fred Lenin

    Its good to see unity in our political gangs ,the turnbull created National Gangreen Lieberal Pardee will eliminate divisive thought ,none of thise divisive arguments in parliament the mambers will have more ltime for their families so they wont have to retire at45 , there will be seamless changeovers without acrimony . It will also make things easier for the u.n.communists when they take over ,no need for nuisance elections and save money for welfare .
    Someone who is familiar with his thinking told CNN Trump was against the u.n. plans , however CNNs poll showed 107.765 per cent of US citizens were against Trump Hus Wall will never work ,just because illegal migrants from Mexico has fallen by 80 per cent doesnt mean a Wall would work .a spokes person for hilarity said

  26. notafan

    Deaths from heat stress will be hidden, everyone will see their darn bill.

  27. I noticed that Turnbull has promised to quit politics if he loses the next election. He’d better start packing his bags and asking Bill what he’d like left behind at The Lodge. If I were Bill, I’d request his political strategy book, that’d make for side-splitting mirth at parties and the like.

  28. Habib

    Pity the flatulent fop didn’t do it last time, WTF was the party room thinking? He was arseholed last time due to overwhelming pressure from the rank and file, who hated him. Did they think they’d changed their minds? Unlike leftists, conservatives have an attention span longer than a blowflys, and of course he turned out exactly as predicted. Potential greatness my big hairy bum, anyone who couldn’t see what this dickhead would be like was either retarded, on drugs, pissed, or dead. Mind you, the rest of the retinue are little better, what a pack of feeble-minded, spineless gits. And ugly to boot.

  29. incoherent rambler

    Habib writes a flattering reference for the parliamentary Libs.

  30. Dr Fred Lenin

    Ruddbull s threat to resign if the career ,eftist “lieberials ” makes ne say ,promises promises . Hope he does ,the voters in Wentworth can write “none of the above” on bsllot papers ,wonder what woukd happen if the chosen lieberial candidate only got 43 votes and the gangreen alp got 44?
    Sources who are familiar with malkies thinking told CNN ,he had been offered a ]ob at u.n. as goldman sachs rep on the supreme soviet , salary to be paid into his Cayman islands account.

  31. Up The Workers!

    Godwin Grech where are you?

    Come back – All is forgiven!

  32. Habib

    He’s hardly irreplaceable, the NSW branch is stuffed to the rafters with Trent Zimmerman clones, I reckon Photios has a lab in his back garden, and is growing dickless inner-urban hipster lefty clones, who have just enough synaptic activity and imagination to delude themselves they’re actually rational centrists rather than window-lickers who should be hurling cats at passers by until loaded up on thorazine. The only entertainment they could ever provide would be the pathetic playground push me shove you they’d bung on battling for pre-selection for Wentworth.

  33. Muddy

    Decarbonisation.

    Good and hard.

    Primativisation.

    Cold, miserable and hard.

  34. Chris

    Godwin Grech where are you?
    Come back – All is forgiven!

    Brutus? Under ‘necessary skills’ visa.

  35. yarpos

    Bemused, you seem focused on lights for some reason. Think about it, that is a trivial load. Bulk heating/cooling/electric motors are where you need to look.

  36. yarpos

    All this talk of dying because of the lack of heating and cooling is just a bit of an emotive red herring (unless its you of course). As they found out in Europe it just brings forward and clusters deaths that would have occured anyway. Over a even a slightly longer time scale it doesnt even register.

  37. Bemused, you seem focused on lights for some reason. Think about it, that is a trivial load. Bulk heating/cooling/electric motors are where you need to look.

    Did you miss where I mentioned heating and cooking? Lighting can be a major power user if a house is full of 50W downlights or similar. But at the end of the day, it all adds up and in the 21st century we are now looking towards caveman or, at the very best, third world living standards.

    Also, preventable death in the 21st century due to cold or heat is hardly an emotive red herring; it’s reality for far too many people. And it’s gobsmacking that it is happening in 1st world countries in the 21st century, let alone third world countries.

  38. john constantine

    That is the point, Australia has a backlog of frail people, whon have been kept alive because the country has been rich enough to afford cheap electricity and medical life extension.

    Clearing up the backlog of postponed deaths all at once is seen by their left as a cheap price to pay for climate justice.

    The left just have to be forced to come out and state this openly, it just mightn’t sell to the general prole as a simple red herring though.

  39. duncanm

    stupid light globes

    short-lived, expensive, dim and toxic light globes.

  40. Squirrel

    The Light on the Hill is now the light on the nose of a Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne solar-powered (fantasy) VFT, and the political party which used to care about battlers making ends meet is too busy scoring undergraduate debating points about who is to blame for electricity prices going up, and up and up……

  41. duncanm

    I’m waiting for the pink-batts style combustion of these LiIon Tesla banks people are strapping to the side of their houses — allans-snackbar style.

    14kWh ~ 30L or so of LiIon cells. I don’t want to be anywhere near one of those when they overcharge, overheat, or get ruptured.

    Think 4 thousand Samsung Galaxy Note 7’s.

  42. duncanm

    Parliament house should be forced to run on wind power.

    They should get ~ 20-30% of the sittings in. They get horribly disrupted, can’t predict when they need to work, suffer random blackouts, and won’t be able to legislate much.
    Win-win!

  43. Tel

    short-lived, expensive, dim and toxic light globes.

    That’s been my experience.

    About 1 in 10 of them lives a long time though, which is weird because whatever they are putting into that one is what they should be putting into all of them.

  44. Leo G

    Parliament house should be forced to run on wind power.
    They should get ~ 20-30% of the sittings in.

    Convert both HoR and Senate to standing room only, fit both into the partitioned Senate chamber and save energy on air conditioning. They can learn to sleep on their feet.

  45. Leo G

    About 1 in 10 of them lives a long time though, which is weird because whatever they are putting into that one is what they should be putting into all of them.

    They are not suitable for short duty cycle use or cold conditions, and many are not well sealed, allowing leakage of mercury vapour into indoor spaces.

  46. OldOzzie

    duncanm
    #2429813, posted on July 2, 2017 at 4:53 pm
    I’m waiting for the pink-batts style combustion of these LiIon Tesla banks people are strapping to the side of their houses — allans-snackbar style.

    14kWh ~ 30L or so of LiIon cells. I don’t want to be anywhere near one of those when they overcharge, overheat, or get ruptured.

    Think 4 thousand Samsung Galaxy Note 7’s.

    Look at the aftermath of Richard Hammond’s Electric Supercar Crash

  47. Notafan

    ‘Deaths that would have happened anyhow’

    How insightful.

    That pensioners will suffer in cold and heat, who cares.

    Fyo death catches up with all of us.

  48. fhb

    The socialist plan is that deaths from energy poverty will accelerate the reduction of the number of conservative voters and help with the budgetary problem as well.

    The —– on the Hill

  49. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    I’m waiting for the pink-batts style combustion of these LiIon Tesla banks people are strapping to the side of their houses — allans-snackbar style.

    just a matter of time

  50. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Tesla on fire

  51. Nerblnob

    In Europe, private citizens are moving to LEDs and binning CFL bulbs as fast as they can.
    Market success (LED choice) vs government failure (CFL imposition).

    Media silent. Nobody will be called to account.
    All those “free” CFL bulbs sent out to people by kindly, benevolent Big Brother.

  52. Ubique

    Electricity Bill continues to disparage and attack “millionaires” without a single journalist pointing out that Bill joined the millionaires club himself years ago.

  53. Sydney Boy

    It’s not just people the ruinables are hurting. The Greens and their allies are trying to kill off our two biggest exports: mining and minerals (goes without saying); and agricultural exports – through locking up land, seas and now energy prices sending farmers and producers to the wall: http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/us-china-buoy-australias-126-billion-food-and-grocery-industry-20161014-gs2myk.html

  54. Peter Lang

    Could someone who can contact Graham Lloyd (Environment Editor, The Australian), please explain to him the true cost of renewable energy. In the lead article on the front page of today’s The Australian, Lloyd states the cost of solar is “$90-$171/MWh”. This is not even close to correct. Furthermore, it is highly misleading to compare cost of intermittent renewables with that of dispatchable power generators like hydro, coal, gas, nuclear. To be comparable the cost of making solar dispatchable has to be included – i.e. all the costs transferred to the backup generators and the high grid costs for renewables must be included in their $/MWh figure. And all the visible and invisible subsidies.

    Lastly, recognise that without subsidies there’d be no wind and solar power connected to the grid, and probably none anywhere. If all subsidies were stopped, no more wind and solar would be built and most commercial wind and solar would be bankrupt within a few years.

  55. M Ryutin

    Today this would/will be my standard reminder for all “woe is me” stories about Bill Shorten or Tony Abbott. I won’t bother you any more today.

    Just think how Tony Abbott would Capital-W Wreck these “policies” of Shorten OR Turnbull’s copycat ones):-

    https://youtu.be/So5ssbceqaI

    PS I never thought Tony Abbott should come back; he would be flogged by the ALP/Turnbull media team. The moment he got in, “wrecking” as a thing to be avoided would be instantly lost with the lobbyist cabal, its hangers on and their faithful lickspittles. The rage-attack against him now because he proposed sensible policies is evidence of that. I would have preferred him to remain as a mentor to any conservatives left in the corrupt rump he once led, but suicide with the Libs version of Jim Jones put paid to that. Looks like Jonestown already!

  56. Ubique

    If Tony Abbott returned he would have to take a leaf out of President Trump’s book and be utterly ruthless in counter-attacking the media. The campaign would need to include cutting off supply to the taxpayer-funded media.

  57. Confused Old Misfit

    If Tony Abbott returned he would have to take a leaf out of President Trump’s book and be utterly ruthless in counter-attacking the media. The campaign would need to include cutting off supply to the taxpayer-funded media.

    Abbott does not have the balls for that kind of game. Nor do any other Liberals. It’s a nice cosy old boys (and girls) club with marvelous prizes for participation.

  58. cohenite

    Peter Lang

    #2430220, posted on July 3, 2017 at 8:41 am

    Could someone who can contact Graham Lloyd (Environment Editor, The Australian), please explain to him the true cost of renewable energy. In the lead article on the front page of today’s The Australian, Lloyd states the cost of solar is “$90-$171/MWh”. This is not even close to correct. Furthermore, it is highly misleading to compare cost of intermittent renewables with that of dispatchable power generators like hydro, coal, gas, nuclear. To be comparable the cost of making solar dispatchable has to be included – i.e. all the costs transferred to the backup generators and the high grid costs for renewables must be included in their $/MWh figure. And all the visible and invisible subsidies.

    Lastly, recognise that without subsidies there’d be no wind and solar power connected to the grid, and probably none anywhere. If all subsidies were stopped, no more wind and solar would be built and most commercial wind and solar would be bankrupt within a few years.

    Correct Peter. There is no levelized comparison: wind and solar don’t work in terms of a modern grid. The public have been so misled about this if there were any justice those advocating wind and solar and making policy would be criminally prosecuted. It’s a vicious circle with the media, ivory tower and ideological academics and weak politicians, all insulated from the pointless effect of renewables, promoting this crap on the basis of alarmism.

  59. Confused Old Misfit

    Pop Quiz: To get cheaper electricity should we build a/ new coal plant, or b/ pay $3b in renewable subsidies?

  60. L.B.Loveday

    Not all had to use those “stupid light globes” – I bought 600 proper ones and they will see me out, with plenty left over to be taken to a lucky beneficiary.

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