Is it on?

As a group of moderate MPs called for a conscience vote on gay marriage as early as next week, senior Liberals told the Herald Sun they will move a spill motion on Mr Turnbull’s leadership if his government breaks its election promise and allows MPs to cross the floor in a vote on the issue.

The Right faction is lining up a ticket to replace Mr Turnbull, should this occur. Faction leaders said the most likely new leadership team would have Peter Dutton as leader, with Greg Hunt as deputy, rolling Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

That is what the Herald Sun is reporting this morning.

The betting market has Malcolm Turnbull at $1.80 to be PM at the next election and Peter Dutton at $3.50 and then a longish tail of others.

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141 Responses to Is it on?

  1. Peter Campion

    Please, God, may we soon see the end of the illegitimate root vegetable known as Prime Minister Turnip?

  2. Infidel Tiger

    Fantastic.

    Losing the leadership over a homosexual sham couldn’t happen to a nicer fella.

    Welcome, Prime Minister Shorten.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    Dutton/Hunt?

    FFS. Is there no end to this long national nightmare?

  4. Nathan

    Roll him and immediately call a bloody election. If we are going to have to live through three years of peanut head I would prefer to get cracking on it now to get it over with sooner.

  5. C.L.

    The funniest thing is hardly anybody is homosexual.
    Asthmatics are a far bigger demographic.

  6. A Lurker

    As a group of moderate MPs called for a conscience vote on gay marriage as early as next week

    Moderates?
    More like far-loony-Left-Marxists-who-are-in-the-wrong-party-and-who-should-have- joined-the-Greens.

  7. Nathan

    I should of added the Libs need to be thrashed comprehensively. In my line of work we would call it a ‘teachable moment’.

  8. The idiots got the narrative wrong. Channel 7 had them “crossing the floor” to vote with Labor in a fit of honesty, which has the effect of Labor owning SSM.

    Better still, Turnbull is voting himself out of office. A good day.

  9. .

    Faction leaders said the most likely new leadership team would have Peter Dutton as leader, with Greg Hunt as deputy

    This is the non-far-looney-left-Marxist-green wing faction of the party?

  10. Just Interested

    As I said on the open thread:

    Now, will any of the so-called conservatives have the guts to threaten to cross the floor and bring down the government if this stunt (calling on a gay marriage Bill) is pulled?

    Passage of the measure would really cap a ‘conservative’ government: NDIS and Gonski and Labor’s spending targets confirmed; an NBN that doesn’t work; no real effective IR reform; tax increases all round; and, oh yes, gay marriage.

    There is now genuinely no product differentiation between the majors – if you want social democratic government just vote for the real deal.

    And, after this ‘distraction’ is removed, what will be the next one. I know – the republic. After all, most of the inner urban Liberals support that, too. And the (current) leader of the Libs is………..um, I know, the bloke who ran the pro-republic campaign last time!!

    We’re in the winner’s circle friends. In the winner’s circle.

    The rank and file centre right voter would have got more or less nothing out of an alleged centre right government. Stopping the boats would be precisely all.

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    Go Maolcolm

  12. Andore Jr.

    With Bernardi and Hanson soaking up their base, you’d think they’d abandon any concessions to the left faction this time around. Surely they learn.

  13. OneWorldGovernment

    Mao,

    we need you to keep destroying The Liberal Party of Australia as you do.

  14. stackja

    Moderate? No! Flamboyant? Yes!

  15. .

    Now, will any of the so-called conservatives have the guts to threaten to cross the floor and bring down the government if this stunt (calling on a gay marriage Bill) is pulled?

    Passage of the measure would really cap a ‘conservative’ government: NDIS and Gonski and Labor’s spending targets confirmed; an NBN that doesn’t work; no real effective IR reform; tax increases all round; and, oh yes, gay marriage.

    There is now genuinely no product differentiation between the majors – if you want social democratic government just vote for the real deal.

    The Liberal party is a mob of shivers looking for spines to run up.

  16. sisypus

    All I can say is Bring It on.

  17. Brett

    Surely they learn

    Apparently not.

    This is a gift to Bernardi and Hanson; even if this outbreak is quelled. How can any rational conservative voter ever again trust these fools?

  18. Jo Smyth

    Sometimes you just got to wish fake news comes true, please, please.

  19. cui bono

    Prefer to see the voters ditch Turminal.

  20. Brett

    News Ltd now reporting Mathiss Cormann is out denying there will be a challenge if the SSM revolters cross the floor.

  21. incoherent rambler

    I want Mal to stay.
    It is the surest path to destruction of the Liberal party.

    If he goes they might survive. Worst possible outcome.

  22. OneWorldGovernment

    Maolcolm, you are definitely MAD.

    But Tony Abbott.

    They reckon your a pretty good boxer.

    I’m a tad older than you but I’ll knock your block off any time.

    Get up you weak mungrle.

  23. hzhousewife

    I have disappointed that no more backbench libs have followed Bernardi. Maybe after this one or two will get show some integrity.

  24. pete m

    Philippa M – I am sure I had late August in the betting pool.

    Can you post the August pool pls?

  25. Peredur

    Dutton: (hmm, maybe, but isn’t that like replacing Thatcher with John Major?), Hunt: (urgh! the Al Gore of the Liberal Party). Trying to be hopeful re Dutton but really this duo is uninspiring and scarcely a duo to save a nation.

  26. OneWorldGovernment

    Julie Bishop.

    You and I spoke when Turnbull was leading the Liberal Party to disaster in 2009.

    Kindly piss off and resign

  27. vicki

    It is extraordinary to see a small group of people preparing to activate a plan of action which would almost certainly unseat their government. It is hard to imagine that the resultant disunity could be repaired even over a period of two years, despite the speed of change in our current era.

    And for what? To force a cultural change which a significant proportion of the community opposes & which favours a quite small minority?

    Social demographers are talking more and more of the strange death wish that seems to gripping western societies (viz Douglas Murray’s “The Strange Death of Europe”). It is truly horrible to see this playing out.

  28. Dr Faustus

    The Liberal gay push giving Shorten a cost-free goal?
    A Dutton/Hunt dream-ticket?

    I, for one, welcome our new CFMEU overlords.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    The funniest thing is hardly anybody is homosexual.
    Asthmatics are a far bigger demographic.

    They both get anxious if they have a good suck on a regular basis.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    don’t have a good suck …

  31. struth

    This is pure elitism.

    The government deciding on cultural issues that are central to our entire civilisation.

    The government do not get to decide these issues.
    We do.
    Government is only there to record in a data base, for us, who is and is not married and to whom.
    We get to decide what we call a marriage.
    Out of births , deaths and marriages, the basic human story, it seems they control the lot now.
    New world slavery.

  32. I should of added the Libs need to be thrashed comprehensively. In my line of work we would call it a ‘teachable moment’.

    To begin with, they are unteachable. If they could not learn from the Gillard/Rudd fiasco – they will NEVER learn.

    But a Shorten government? For god’s sake, look what they did during their last stint. And now they think Corbyn is worth emulating!

  33. Mique

    The way I see it is that the bed-wetters know that they will lose the next election no matter what so, for them, it matters not one pinch of dessicated cat shit what happens about the electoral outcome. They know that they can win the SSM issue by bringing on a free parliamentary vote now and, win lose or draw in the next election, it will be on the statute books for all time.

  34. Ray

    When Dutton was Health Minister for about 15 months after the 2103 election, the cost of Medicare rose 9.5%, public hospital expenditure was up 14%, he introduced that highly popular Medicare co-payment and proposed to spirit away all savings into a medical research fund and he was voted the worst Health Minister in 35 years by doctors.

    In the Immigration portfolio, he has managed to keep his head above water by doing very little at all but we should not forget his frequent slips such as the “mad fucking witch” text or his rising seas joke over an open microphone. How could anyone contemplate Dutton as PM?

  35. Speedbox

    This is pure elitism.

    The government deciding on cultural issues that are central to our entire civilisation.

    The government do not get to decide these issues. We do.

    Perfect. Couldn’t agree more.

  36. Ray

    Oh and let us not forget that he successfully managed to turn a 6.9% margin into a 1.6% margin in the seat of Dickson at the last election.

  37. jjf

    They are all scared of a “plebiscite” as the ballot box is the only place left where we have total freedom!

    Everyone keeps mentioning Ireland and the yes vote.

    If that is such a great indicator then lets have the vote and see!!!!

  38. Lysander

    When this passes, I’ll be glad to see Newspoll go from 53-47 to 53-47.

  39. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Everyone keeps mentioning Ireland and the yes vote.

    IIRC, a non – compulsory vote, and 60% of those eligible bothered to vote?

  40. Cactus

    I’d love to see the government fall on this move. Its just so sneaky of these Liberal Party ‘moderates’. The PM, Whip & Cabinet members should all be arguing forcefully for the Liberal Party platform that the government was elected on. Its the mandate. Turnbull & many in the cabinet think they can run dead on this issue – have it decided in the parliament & they have clean hands. I’ll bet they will even have the hide to celebrate.

    You just need a couple of principled Liberal party MP’s to move & second a private members motion on confidence in the PM. What a sight that would be.

    I say all the above as someone who if asked would likely vote in favour of SSM.

  41. Tim Neilson

    When Dutton had a portfolio with responsibility for tax, he refused to read any document which contained a reference to any actual section of the tax laws. (I didn’t know the health stuff that Ray has posted, but it makes sense.)

    Greggo has been pushing climate alarmism for just about his whole career.

    And that’s the dream ticket to move the Liberals back towards sanity?

    I’m with incoherent rambler on this. The Liberals continuing to exist is against the national interest.

  42. mh

    ….with Greg Hunt as deputy

    Is that Mark Textor’s input?

  43. Speedbox

    What the hell is wrong with this country? Ok, maybe that is a rhetorical question.

    Still, I continue to be astounded at our self-destructive nature. AS JI said up thread: Passage of
    the measure would really cap a ‘conservative’ government: NDIS and Gonski and Labor’s spending targets confirmed; an NBN that doesn’t work; no real effective IR reform; tax increases all round; and, oh yes, gay marriage.

    Homosexuals probably constitute no more than 2-2.5% of the population. Add to that their (sympathetic) friends and family, the total can’t be much over 5%. And yet, some politicians seem to believe that the broader community are prepared to do away with centuries of tradition to appease this noisy minority. And how will the broader society benefit? Have the implications of this change been fully considered and publically debated (not just in the gay rights echo chamber)?

    Already, a homosexual couple have every legal “right” and obligation a non-homosexual couple have with regard to property, financial and ATO legislation, parentage and Family Law, non discrimination…….endless enabling legislation. But that is not enough.

    Beware the slippery slope my friends. What may be considered unlikely or impossible today can easily become the legislated norm tomorrow.

  44. Anne

    Although it would give me fleeting satisfaction to see Turnbull and Bishop get it in the neck it really makes no difference who has the Titles. They’re all on the same side.

    The Two Party System is theatre, an obvious scam.

    As Putin said of the United States Election, ‘…the direction remains the same, regardless of the Party in power.’

    Australia and Western Civilisation will continue on its path toward a Totalitarian One World Government, One World Religion and enslavement of all humanity.

    Then, they die.

  45. Roger

    Dutton/Hunt?

    Someone’s having a lend of the Herald Sun.

  46. incoherent rambler

    Dutton/Hunt -> Dunt.

    Cormann/Hunt ->

  47. Snoopy

    ABC:

    The eternal debate over same sex marriage………..

    LOL

  48. Snoopy

    Say what you like about Mugabe, but at least he has absolutely no time for gay marriage.

  49. Senile Old Guy

    Australian Marriage Equality, which has been lobbying to allow same-sex marriage, has welcomed the growing signs of support emerging from the Coalition. “We thank Brisbane MP Trevor Evans and Senator Dean Smith and all the parliamentary supporters of marriage equality for their commitment to fairness, equality and resolving this issue in the parliament,” the group’s executive director Tiernan Brady said.

    Utter rubbish. As noted yesterday, “resolving” here means approving. In the real world, the issue has been resolved numerous times, always rejecting SSM. And there is no “fairness” or “equality” involved here as “resolving this issue in the parliament” has already been (implicitly) rejected by voters when they voted in favour (barely) of the party promising a plebiscite.

    Any Liberal members who cross the floor on this issue should be booted out of the party as they would be going against LNP policy and acting counter to election promises.

  50. incoherent rambler

    SSM is less of an issue to me than the issue of same sex parentage.
    The latter, I find to be “not in the interests of the child”, therefore obnoxious.

  51. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Say what you like about Mugabe, but at least he has absolutely no time for gay marriage.

    I don’t think Jacob Zuma has much time for gay marriage, either.

  52. Tintarella di Luna

    Any Liberal members who cross the floor on this issue should be booted out of the party as they would be going against LNP policy and acting counter to election promises.

    But the Liberal party is a broad church, blah, blah, blah and unlike the Labor party doesn’t caucus blah blah blah.

    Where are the Nationals? It is up to the Nationals to bring the whole thing to a halt and do it today! Rip up the Coalition NOW and let’s have the ultimate poll

  53. Pedro the Ignorant

    I have the date 30 September in Phillipa’s Mal Lotto.

    Looking better every time these fools open their gobs.

    I will fall about laughing if this moribund government dies in a ditch over homo “marriage”.

  54. TP

    Bring it on Termite. Tones ready , willing & able.

  55. incoherent rambler

    The betting market has Malcolm Turnbull at $1.80 to be PM at the next election …

    Because Trumble laid a 1.5 mill bet on himself.

  56. Speedbox

    The slippery slope principle basically dictates that where a previously held law or community standard is amended, future amendments are likely to occur that might impose an undesirable outcome that cannot be controlled.

    It is obvious that our society must evolve to accommodate a changing world in which new social, legal and financial frameworks are necessary. For example, thank goodness we have moved on from burning people at the stake for witchcraft.

    But equally, not all change is necessarily good. Various minority groups have become adept at utilising the media and social networking to portray themselves as oppressed/disenfranchised and that social equality can only be achieved when “A” is permitted within the legal/social/financial framework.

    To extend the homosexual marriage argument, perhaps we should ask what is wrong with polygamy or other relationship arrangements? Maybe, as a community, we should go the whole hog and allow any union. Consider how enlightened we would become!

    As the High Court noted in December 2013, the matter is simple: once you legislatively and socially insist that two homosexuals should be free to marry each other on the grounds that they are consenting adults, then you cannot logically oppose three (or more) consenting adults from legally marrying.

    Personally, I suspect that by further undermining the traditional male/female relationship with a create-your-own mish mash of declarations and family units, will result in additional dislocation and disruption to society not to mention the lives of the children of those unions.

    As a footnote I mention the comments of District Court Judge Garry Neilson who said (in 2014) that just as gay sex was socially unacceptable and criminal in the 1950s and 1960s but is now widely accepted, (my bold) “a jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now ‘available’, not having [a] sexual partner”.

    If this was the 50s and you had a jury of 12 men there, which is what you’d invariably have, they would say it’s unnatural for a man to be interested in another man or a man being interested in a boy. Those things have gone.”

    Siblings? A man interested in a boy? Those comments by a District Court Judge demonstrate a slow but profound shift in previously upheld community standards. Slippery slope anyone?

    Maybe we are just supposed to hope that that this social experiment doesn’t backfire.

  57. Dr Faustus

    Payoff – Out and Proud:

    Australian Marriage Equality, which has been lobbying to allow same-sex marriage, has welcomed the growing signs of support emerging from the Coalition.

    “We thank Brisbane MP Trevor Evans and Senator Dean Smith and all the parliamentary supporters of marriage equality for their commitment to fairness, equality and resolving this issue in the parliament,” the group’s executive director Tiernan Brady said.

    The crux is “resolving this issue in the parliament“. There is no mileage in relying on the expressed wishes of the Australian community in either referendum, or the next election. The stupid, bigoted punters are notoriously unable to make correct life decisions.

    Turnbull’s leadership appears to have been thoroughly pork-sworded by the Winner’s Circle – the outstanding question for the Liberal party room is the extent to which it was consensual.

  58. struth

    If you are a liberal party Rep, you have more chance of a refrigerator falling on your head than being re elected if this happens.

  59. Rohan

    If Dutton gets the nod, there are still too many centre-marxists in the party. If the “centre-right” challenges Turncoat, they wont have the numbers, or will be mercilessly white anted by the centre-marxists to the point of being completely ineffective. In essence a defacto Abbot government MkII.

    It the centre-right win, they need to purge like there’s no tomorrow. All of turncoat’s surviving 54 backers booted with extreme prejudice.

    But it won’t happen. And I too welcome our soon to be CFMEU overlords.

  60. Caveman

    I want Turnbull and the Libs to stay on its a Stockholm syndrome thing with me.

  61. cynical1

    Moderate?

    Well, moderate as far as pooves are concerned.

  62. Rabz

    This seemingly interminable, embarrassing and in the end utterly irrelevant windbag goat rodeo collapsing over homo hoedowns is just too perfect.

    They truly are beyond parody.

  63. Faye

    Why do I feel like it’s 2009 over again when we fought Turnbull on the ETS issue. I am truly fed up. Why is our side of politics so damn weak! “Broad church” is PC to not tell us that the Liberal Party is moderate, modern and progressive. If this SSM goes through, the Liberal Party, dare I say, and the National Party by their non-actions are sheilas dressed up as blokes. No balls, no guts and no passion.
    Where’s Pyne? He must be over the moon. And Dutton/Hunt. Is this to appease both sides? Of course, Teflon-coated Bishop always manages to ‘stick’ around.
    I thank our lucky stars that Trump showed up.

  64. Rabz

    If you are a liberal party Rep, you have more chance of a refrigerator falling on your head than being re elected if this happens.

    Or being stung to death by bees of peace.

  65. Lysander

    I desperately want Turnbull to use the alarmist’s line on SSM.

    “The debate is over.”

  66. Tailgunner

    Dutton is my Lock of the Week.
    Go Dutton, GO!

  67. alexnoaholdmate

    No, I think our Parliamentary system is adequate to resolve this issue.

    The party that went to an election with a policy of introducing same sex marriage was defeated by voters. Twice.

    Therefore, the matter is now ended. Right?

  68. Myrddin Seren

    Personally, I suspect that by further undermining the traditional male/female relationship with a create-your-own mish mash of declarations and family units, will result in additional dislocation and disruption to society not to mention the lives of the children of those unions.

    I give you Lactatia:

    The bawdy, homosexuality-infused world of female impersonators is celebrating an eight-year-old Montreal boy who performs as a “drag queen” under the stage name “Lactatia.”

    Names please – it is instructive:

    Real name: Nemis Quinn Mélançon-Golden

    Nemis ?

    sister Kashmyr

    Oh dear.

    Nemis’ parents, Jessica Mélançon and Coriander Golden

    Poor Jessica’s parents seemed to fail at TrendNaming. Dad’s parents were clearly a mile high when they named him ‘Coriander’.

    Coming soon. Why shouldn’t young Lactatia be allowed to marry a collective of fourteen gimps ? ‘Love is love !’

  69. A H

    Turnbull probably thinks he can outsmart the electorate by voting homosexual marriage in with the help of the ALP. He probably thinks once the bill is passed it will make the issue go away, equalising the ALP and Liberals on the issue and allowing focus to move to other areas (which ones??) where the Liberals are different.

    This line of thinking is basically consistent with the poor political judgement we’ve seen from Malcolm. Basically he’s thinking if he blows everything up it will stop people worrying that things might blow up and then he can get back to business (what business????), and in the aftermath nobody will want hold him accountable for blowing everything up, or if they do they are easily marginalised and ignored.

    Dutton left the room during the aboriginal apology so that’s something in his favour but Greg Hunt is an appalling climate change fancier. Peter Costello should come back. Morrison is obviously a failure who can’t bring in a surplus, though he did make the point that the big battery is like the big banana. Julie Bishop is a narcissistic something or other. I don’t really see anything there worth rescuing. But the Labor Party have no shame. No shame whatsoever, though I assume they are the bitter pill that needs to be swallowed. I agree with what someone else said. Have an election, let the ALP win so that we can get it over with ASAP.

  70. Myrddin Seren

    Rohan

    It the centre-right win, they need to purge like there’s no tomorrow. All of turncoat’s surviving 54 backers booted with extreme prejudice.

    Nice thought – I don’t think there is any constitutional capacity within the Libs to expel ideological enemies for being ideological enemies.

    Pyne’s Black Hand, the Photis-Campbell Lobbyists in NSW, Kroger in Victoriastan would surely have expelled Abbott, Jim Molan etc etc if they could have.

    Absent a defined misdeed, it is a battle of the branches and the State executives. And the Black Hand are well dug in at the organisational level.

  71. Slayer of Memes

    Agile.
    Innovative.
    World’s Greatest PM EVAR!!

    If only there had of been people who could have forseen the fucking shambles that has happened ever since Malcontent Termite knifed Tony Abbott and became leader of the Liberal Party Turnbull Coalition Team…

    Oh wait…..

  72. Deplorable

    Jesus the fucking moderator is a bit savage hope I haven’t hit a raw nerve Sinc. Looks like I need to go elsewhere for stimulating conversation. Liberal my arse.

  73. Robber Baron

    Turnbull is a legend down at Curtain House. There’s a whole wall dedicated to him. Each policy from calling an election 3 months in advance, ensuring a leftist Senate, and now homo marriage; he’s ensuring a rock solid parliamentary majority for Labor. Whilst Turnbull is kicking sand in the eyes of Liberal voters, Tits Shorten is rolling out the totalitarian policies of taxes, carbon taxes, more muslim freeloaders and more union power and the polls still favour him. The only sensible politician we seem to have is a barely literate buffoon named Pauline. What a strange world we live in.

    Will someone save us from ourselves?

  74. Mother Lode

    The betting market has Malcolm Turnbull at $1.80 to be PM

    If I give him $2 will he piss off?

    The greatness which he potentially possessed has subtly metamophosed into definite grateness.

  75. Art Vandelay

    When Dutton was Health Minister for about 15 months after the 2103 election, the cost of Medicare rose 9.5%, public hospital expenditure was up 14%, he introduced that highly popular Medicare co-payment and proposed to spirit away all savings into a medical research fund and he was voted the worst Health Minister in 35 years by doctors.

    I agree, Dutton is a dud. You only need to look back on his interviews on the Bolt Report when he was Health Minister. Bolt gave him free kick after free kick to sell the government’s reforms to Medicare and Dutton was too clueless or hopeless to take advantage of them.

  76. marg of nambour

    grateness
    Another word to add to the dictionary?

  77. The only thing that is cheering is the threat to the leadership and the punishment suggested for those prepared to cross the floor.

  78. gbees

    Greg Hunt would be a mistake. He’s another lefty wolf in sheep’s clothing. He wrote a thesis on trading carbon, and likes a mix of renewables in the energy mix. He’s all for the Paris agreement and will send us further down the RET path.

  79. Art Vandelay

    Greg Hunt would be a mistake. He’s another lefty wolf in sheep’s clothing. He wrote a thesis on trading carbon, and likes a mix of renewables in the energy mix. He’s all for the Paris agreement and will send us further down the RET path.

    Hunt also conspired with Abbott to give us a secret ETS.

  80. Haidee

    Our rep. has coolly sent thanks for our – ‘support and advocacy’.
    This is what they do; pretend it’s the reasonable, normal way to go.

  81. gbees

    Here’s Hunt’s thesis.

    “The key component of this new regime will be a pollution tax”.

    “In place of the current system, we have proposed the wide use of pollution taxes as a means of both raising revenue for environmental agencies and compelling polluters to decrease their emissions.”

    BOLD added by me.

    Very totalitarian statements. Environmental agencies – read as UN.

  82. Damienski

    I was quietly confident that my Malotto prediction of February 2018 was as good a guess as any other.
    I would, however, be happy to suffer the indignity of failure at Malotto if it means the end of the current fustercluck that pretends to be a government.
    The Shorten government will be much worse – but I’m trying to think of it like going to the dentist.
    It’s very painful. It’s very expensive. Eventually the pain recedes. Eventually we recover from the expense. It must be suffered to achieve a better long-term outcome.
    A better long-term outcome is of course predicated on the body politic of the right to organise itself into a credible alternative government to the upcoming Labor disaster. I’m not confident.

  83. jjf

    For sure Dutton is a dud but Greg Hunt is a total loser!

    He has that horrendous pommie accent – there is no way he would connect with the public.

    Is there anyone in the Coalition who actually stands for conservative values? The current mob can’t even argue basic ideas or attack when needed!!

    State libs are even worse – every time Gladys is on TV she looks like she is going to cry!!!

  84. struth

    The Shorten government will be much worse – but I’m trying to think of it like going to the dentist.
    It’s very painful. It’s very expensive. Eventually the pain recedes. Eventually we recover from the expense. It must be suffered to achieve a better long-term outcome.

    It will be very expensive, the pain will get worse and you’ll lose all your teeth.
    If it ever, by some miracle came good, you’d still be lucky to slurp soup.

  85. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Greg Hunt, environmental loon, as Deputy?
    That’ll work out well. Plus ca change.

  86. struth

    That little runt Hunt has the presence of an ant and during the Convoy of no Confidence I nearly accidently knocked him off stage.
    SJW and global warming nutter.

    He’s nothing more than a pre pubic rash on the little scrotum sack of the liberal party.

  87. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    A better long-term outcome is of course predicated on the body politic of the right to organise itself into a credible alternative government to the upcoming Labor disaster. I’m not confident.

    An exodus of a serious rump of the Libs to the Australian Conservatives is the only answer.
    It would up the AusCons profile enormously and allow a Party organization to develop quickly.

  88. srr

    Faction leaders said the most likely new leadership team would have Peter Dutton as leader, with Greg Hunt as deputy, rolling Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.
    ___________________

    struth
    #2456495, posted on August 1, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    That little runt Hunt has the presence of an ant and during the Convoy of no Confidence I nearly accidently knocked him off stage.
    SJW and global warming nutter.

    He’s nothing more than a pre pubic rash on the little scrotum sack of the liberal party.

    This is what psychopaths do – give you a “choice” of no choice and then blame you for following ill.

    And they’ve kept Julie Bishop there through how many back stabbings … so how F’n’ bad does Hunt have to be to fill her head kicking, traitorous shoes … 👿 …

    The whole damn lot of them are psychopaths.

  89. Turdbull is not going to get rolled.
    Lettuce leaf Libs (who support SSM) now dominate the parliamentary party.
    Photios, Kroger, Textor et al saw to that via the pre-selection process prior to the last election.
    The fix is in, SSM will be passed without a plebiscite, and the sky won’t fall.

  90. Tim Neilson

    A better long-term outcome is of course predicated on the body politic of the right to organise itself into a credible alternative government to the upcoming Labor disaster. I’m not confident.

    And rightly so (or is that “rightly not”?). But it’s our only hope. The Michael Trumble Election Winning Machine will propel the nation to utter disaster just as surely as the other wing of the duopolistic cartel, the Peanut Head the Pieman union official’s troughing collective.
    True, the MTEWM will do so more slowly – but with the added disadvantage that when we’re facing a future of freezing in the dark or sweltering in the heat, while scrabbling for edible plants and insects, the Peanut Head wing of the cartel will be able to claim that it was all the fault of the conservatives and that only more government enforced equality can save us.
    If there is to be a catastrophic national collapse, and that looks very likely, it’s better that it comes after a decade or so of Labor/Greens government, so blaming the conservatives will hopefully be just too incredible – then sanity just might prevail.
    But also, if we destroy the MTEWM, at least there’s a hope that it will be replaced by a real restoration movement, with conservatives and libertarians setting aside differences temporarily to focus on the urgencies of economic survival and preservation of the rule of law.

  91. Myrddin Seren

    The Shorten government will be much worse – but I’m trying to think of it like going to the dentist.

    It’s very painful. It’s very expensive. Eventually the pain recedes. Eventually we recover from the expense. It must be suffered to achieve a better long-term outcome.

    The Unions were completely pissed off by the Gillard-Rudd fiasco and election loss in 2013. They also crushed a nascent democratic surge by the likes of John Faulkner.

    They won’t let 2013 happen again. I suspect electoral redistributions; tame Electoral Commissions and revving up the compliant voteherd that John Constantine refers to. Big Union may have other ideas too. But they are not going to quietly accept a change of power after one, two or three terms of Shorten ( or his replacement ).

    The next Federal election will be Niagara Falls in a Barrel.

    And it looks increasingly likely it won’t be in 2019 either.

    Hail Shorten, Hail Sefka, Hail Ludwig !

  92. TP

    http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/galaxy-poll-reveals-malcolm-turnbull-on-his-way-out/news-story/beb268f515ad82c6a3c9fbad4f676913
    The Termite currently in the West & slaying them-not.
    Primary support has slumped from48.7% to 39%. On track to lose 5 ministers.
    Good luck to the rest of the Libs if he dumps the plebiscite. Not sure about a $1.80 to hold his job.

  93. srr

    Actually, considering whats going on with Hillary’s Mobsters and all around the world, particularly with fellow Anti-Breeder & Childless National Leaders, I would not be at all surprised if all this shit in the Libs is coming from Julie Bishop, because she wants to fuck right off somewhere out of sight and mind, to a secure bunker, ready for when we come looking for her to ….

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    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/boom-imran-awan-access-email-every-member-congress-sold-secrets-foreign-agents-video/
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  94. H B Bear

    Where is Barnaby and what does the Coalition agreement have to say about this? Weren’t the Nationals supposed to keep Waffleworth’s Green tendencies in line?

  95. Faye

    I read today that visitors to the Niagara Falls say they stink like a sewer.

  96. Dr Faustus

    Not sure about a $1.80 to hold his job.

    The market is not saying he will hold onto his job – just that $1.90 says he will be PM as they go over the edge at the next election. The market also says:

    – $1.90 for a 2017 election.
    – $2.50 for a 2018 election and $7.50 for a 2019 election.
    – Labor to win the next election 58:42.

    Hopefully the 2018 election pays out: I need another 9 months to get my affairs in order.

  97. Mother Lode

    Is ‘Greg’ the Australian version of ‘Berkshire’ in that famous expression?

  98. Damienski

    Hail Shorten, Hail Sefka, Hail Ludwig !

    Cripes you know how to make a chap miserable.
    I was envisaging Shorten, Slippery Sam and their cabal of co-incompetents.
    The you remind me of the organ grinders – Mr Sefka and his loveable rogue colleagues.

    Deep funk ensues.

  99. Myrddin Seren

    Cripes you know how to make a chap miserable.

    Regrets Damienski.

    However, I vividly recall the outrage of the Big Union leaders at their orders being disobeyed and Gillard getting dumped for Rudd Mk 2.

    Plus the push for greater say by the ordinary members and branches in pre-selection. Which was crushed.

    The Unions made it explicitly clear – the ALP is the political wing of the Unions, and anyone who wants a seat at the table had better understand this. Or else ( no further discussion to be entertained ).

    So plainly they reconciled with Shorten ( everyone knows where the bodies are buried ) and at the State level we get Andrews, Palichook and Foley. Weatherdill seems to be a self-made klutz but I am sure when he steps down another union puppet will be parachuted in.

    The next Federal ALP government will be, as you say, the mere dancing money hoovering up the coins and handing them over to the organ grinder.

  100. Alexi the Conservative Russian

    Since,
    How does ‘one’ publish an article on this blog? I’ve come across a publication at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/08/no_author/the-race-against-time/
    which I believe the readers may enjoy.

  101. Habib

    Greg Hunt? Now they’ve gone beyond taking this piss to straight out insult. Dutton has all the wit, charm and personality of a damp soap dish, but Hunt is a swivel-eyed warmy loon, wetter than a fish’s foreskin, and responsible for a lot of the userous, imbecilic and pointless shit that passes for environmental policy in this suppersting septic tank. Bastards must’ve put what little cash the party’s got left on Labor at a good price for the next election, or there’s a methane leak in the party room. Nothing else could explain these delusional, demented antics.

  102. candy

    Where is Barnaby and what does the Coalition agreement have to say about this? Weren’t the Nationals supposed to keep Waffleworth’s Green tendencies in line?

    I don’t think there was an agreement with Barnaby, but with Warren Truss.
    Barnaby will go along with anything to be deputy PM, and acting PM. He loves it. I believe he was all for the knifing of T. Abbott to make that dream come true, and had a personal agreement with M. Turnbull. Carbon pricing, SSM, whatever it takes.

    He’s not the man you guys here think he is, sadly. The deal with Warren Truss was nothing, and meant nothing.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2456496, posted on August 1, 2017 at 2:40 pm
    …An exodus of a serious rump of the Libs to the Australian Conservatives is the only answer.

    The accepted theory that the LNP will fall to Shorten needs to be challenged.
    The LNP could fall to conservative values, not the CMFEU, and the AC is looking like a valid option.

  104. .

    I simply cannot wait for Hunt to be referred to as “far right” or “wanting to go back to the 1950s”.

    The left in Australia are definitely lunar and don’t understand how far to the left they are. They have a milquetoast LNP PM as a pet and they thnk he’s satan.

    The alternative is that the LNP is full of crusading careerists with no ideals and who are in the trough as much as the Trade Union Party.

    The liberals joined the LDP and the conservatives are leaving for the ACP in droves.

    A future of uneasy minority ACP governments supported by the LDP giving supply and playing “bad cop” in the Senate is what we want and need.

  105. Jo Smyth

    It seems the general opinion here is that Dutton and Hunt should not be the new Leaders. When Turnbull goes, someone will have to take over. It won’t be Morrison. Don’t think Abbott wants it and if Bishop gets it it’s just terminal decline, so who should it be. No-one is offering an alternative.

  106. Crossie

    The betting market has Malcolm Turnbull at $1.80 to be PM at the next election and Peter Dutton at $3.50 and then a longish tail of others.

    That’s right, they don’t have the guts. Besides, why wait until the deed is done, head them off at the pass now, get rid of Malcolm and save the party.

  107. Makka

    No, no no. Vote for the Libs because they aren’t Labor. That’s what the cowards are banking on from their supporters.

    Do it Mal, hit the big red nuclear button ; let SSM be decided in Parliament by your cabal of jelly backs and queers. It will then, thankfully, be the end of you, your Govt and your party.

  108. Crossie

    It seems the general opinion here is that Dutton and Hunt should not be the new Leaders. When Turnbull goes, someone will have to take over. It won’t be Morrison. Don’t think Abbott wants it and if Bishop gets it it’s just terminal decline, so who should it be. No-one is offering an alternative.

    Why not Andrew Hastie? He’s young, charismatic and energetic and being ex-military he has some idea of leadership and accountability.

  109. Makka

    If Mal goes down, don’t be surprised if Bishop floats to the top.

  110. Oh come on

    Surely the Liberal quisling faction isn’t stupid enough to risk sacrificing the not insubstantial remainder of its term for the cause of gay marriage? I think they just might be.

    If the ‘senior conservative Liberals’ had any spine, they’d not just call a spill motion on Trumble if the moderate Labor lite scum call an unfree parliamentary vote on SSM- they’d respond with a vote of no-confidence in the government on the floor of the HoR, destroying the government and the Liberal Party in its wake. Go full nuclear.

  111. cohenite

    He’s nothing more than a pre pubic rash on the little scrotum sack of the liberal party.

    You’re on fire tonight!

  112. Oh come on

    Why shouldn’t the small rump of conservatives go full nuclear on the party and blow it to smithereens if ‘progressive’ Liberals betray those who voted for them by irretrievably breaking faith with these voters for the final time? If it happens, that’s a pretty clear sign there’s nothing left worth saving.

  113. A better long-term outcome is of course predicated on the body politic of the right to organise itself into a credible alternative government to the upcoming Labor disaster. I’m not confident.

    The only thing that can save the Libs is a total pasting at the next election. Every seat saved will be a justification for leftist suicide. And every seat lost increases the inevitable overreach of Shorten. He must have his greed for impunity encouraged.

    He must be given the opportunity to go full leftard, to give unions the keys to operate as a law unto themselves, to raise taxes to unprecedented levels, to destroy business and industry, to spend like a drunken sailor who just won lotto, to punish Australians like a red-haired stepchild, to create eye-watering levels of debt, force up inflation and interest rates, and send Australia into a painful recession.

    Australia must see the real Shorten, in all his lustful glory.

    Brace yourselves. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride!

  114. Crossie

    This is a gift to Bernardi and Hanson; even if this outbreak is quelled. How can any rational conservative voter ever again trust these fools?

    Certainly not all those who have joined Australian Conservatives. Libs have lost those voters and former members for good.

  115. Crossie

    Where are the Nationals? It is up to the Nationals to bring the whole thing to a halt and do it today! Rip up the Coalition NOW and let’s have the ultimate poll

    Barnaby and every other Nat is missing in action. They are being offered a uniques opportunity to rein in Mal and his “moderates”, to save the Coalition yet there they are hiding in the undergrowth.

    How well is PHON doing in country areas? Shouldn’t Nats be nervous?

  116. Oh come on

    Liberals who are anti SSM need to throw down the gauntlet in the party room. This is a bridge too far. The party either has to decide whether it’s going to be pissed Christopher Puke (I wrote ‘Pyne’ but auto-correct made a highly intelligent intervention – for once) speaking off the record, or a party that doesn’t betray its constituents under the progressive banner. If it’s going to go with Puke, then a united front of conservative Liberal MPs need to tell their colleagues in the party room that, if no plebiscite over SSM takes place a bill allowing SSM passes through the HoR, these conservatives will at the earliest opportunity move a vote of no confidence in the PM (which Labor will gleefully support) and bring down the government.

  117. Tel

    Barnaby is a good man, I have respect for him, and he has always been right about the dangers of debt.

    Sadly his time in power has wearied him, and what he should do is politely announce his retirement at the end of his current term.

  118. EvilElvis

    Why not Andrew Hastie? He’s young, charismatic and energetic and being ex-military he has some idea of leadership and accountability.

    Agreed Crossie. But, I’m ok with Dutton out front, as cannon fodder if need be and Hastie being the deputy. Learn the ropes a little, learn how fucked your party really is then put the bayonet on and get to work.

  119. He must be given the opportunity to go full leftard, to give unions the keys to operate as a law unto themselves, to raise taxes to unprecedented levels, to destroy business and industry, to spend like a drunken sailor who just won lotto, to punish Australians like a red-haired stepchild, to create eye-watering levels of debt, force up inflation and interest rates, and send Australia into a painful recession.

    You mean give Shorten a chance to emulate Turdbull?

  120. JamesS

    Destroy the village to save it – agreed, full nuclear response required

  121. Marcus Classis

    Beery:

    Australia must see the real Shorten, in all his lustful glory.

    Brace yourselves. It’s gonna be a bumpy ride!

    Poor fella my country – it sickens me to have to agree with you. Looks like my finishing paying off all debt in the next 8 weeks will come just in time. I hope all cats have their economic disaster survival strategy in place.

    God help us all, as Captain Clusterf*ck the Backstabber hands us over to the reavers.

  122. Makka

    God help us all, as Captain Clusterf*ck the Backstabber hands us over to the reavers.

    He’s not alone. There were plenty of them and still are who are daily selling us down the drain. The Liberal Party is rotten to the core.

  123. Fisky

    If it’s going to go with Puke, then a united front of conservative Liberal MPs need to tell their colleagues in the party room that, if no plebiscite over SSM takes place a bill allowing SSM passes through the HoR, these conservatives will at the earliest opportunity move a vote of no confidence in the PM (which Labor will gleefully support) and bring down the government.

    Definitely. They should also effect a DLP style split and preference Labor at the resulting poll. The LNP must be destroyed forever.

  124. H B Bear

    Why not Andrew Hastie? He’s young, charismatic and energetic and being ex-military he has some idea of leadership and accountability.

    Hastie will be lucky to hold his seat. Same with Porter. The Lieborals will be annihilated in the West. They could easily lose 4 or 5 seats here alone. Waffleworth’s Performing Stick Insect will be lucky if she has anyone to share a Commcar to the airport on a Sunday night until she retires to spend more time with the fam… err anyone who will put up with her now she can no longer shake down WA businessmen to keep the Lieborals solvent.

  125. Sentinel Man

    What if the conservative members set a trap for Shortass.
    Cross the floor and force a no-confidence motion. Peanut head will win, Maltrumble will have to resign.

    Let Labor wreck the joint for another year and destroy their credibility. TB leads with Hastie and the conservatives force another no-confidence motion. Win and go straight to an election without the wets.

  126. Jimf

    Barnaby might have some explaining to do on his next western Qld pub tour. His head has been threatening to explode for a while but this could be the moment. At least they can mop up his brains with a coaster. Or a bottle top..
    Jokes aside (im quite fond of Joycey), the X factor here if some rat Libs plan to cross the floor is the nats. Yes they’ve been piss weak over the last 22 months , but surely political survival instincts will kick in? Their electorates must be giving authentic feedback on the Turd?
    Oh the delicious irony of the situation that Mal finds himself in. The “negotiator” -he couldn’t secure an interest free toaster at Harvey Norman.

  127. a reader

    “Is there anyone in the Coalition who actually stands for conservative values? The current mob can’t even argue basic ideas or attack when needed!!”

    There are two: Craig Kelly & Andrew Hastie. Kelly is so conservative that the Photios mob tried to get rid of him last time despite being 60/40 and winning all but three booths at the last two elections.

  128. johno

    Dutton/Hunt would be a worse combo than Turnbull/Bishop.
    Dutton is way overrated and Hunt is Green to his very core.

  129. GD

    Unfortunately, the only half-sane choice for PM is Dutton. Perhaps Andrew Hastie for deputy and Craig Kelly for a cabinet position. Keep Greg Hunt as far away from the levers of power as possible, he is a warmist, a bed wetter and a bantam weight Liberal and do not even think about Julie Bishop.

  130. Haidee

    Hastie is too good for the Liberal Party. Then again, that’s the Party he chose. I wonder how many courageous men and women he’s come across, among the colleagues.

  131. Econocrat

    I think a full split in the Coalition now under Turnbull would be the best thing. Turnbull would go down in history as the selfish wrecker who trashed the party and lost them government, and then they could regroup from opposition without him.

    Barnaby is looking like the most sensible option on policy and politics right now. He could be a caretaker PM and would probably save the furniture.

  132. serene tiger

    “Is it on?”
    If they talk about it then it is on. Loyalty is a wonderful thing but in hopeless situations it is just plain silly. Mr Abbott (and the conservatives) should stop flogging the dead horse and join the AC. This way the young ones (like Hastie) can learn the ropes without the country made to suffer under the Union Party. The old guard of the Turnbull Coalition Team is dead on their feet – nobody wants them. The faction kings can go into oblivion with the rest. The whole rotting corpse of the Liberal Party have to be buried. The Nationals probably go with them if they don’t start to act responsibly.

  133. .

    It would be great if the Nationals grew a spine and asserted themselves.

    Let’s hope the SFF win the Cootamundra by-election.

  134. gabrianga

    The shirt lifters are controlling Mal and his other “merry men”” The “Big Five”have him by the knackers by threatening to cross the floor (which Malcolm once did himself or recuse themselves because of a personal interest/investment in the outcome. \

    What a queer world we now live in.

  135. old bloke

    I’m sorry to inform you that Turnbull will remain PM after the LNP’s “private member’s” SSM bill gets through Parliament. Turnbull wouldn’t be encouraging his nancy-boy team to cross the floor unless he already knew that a party room spill motion wouldn’t get up.

    The only way to be rid of Turnbull is for some self-sacrificing LNP members (2 or 3?) to move or support a no-confidence motion in Parliament.

    This isn’t going to happen.

  136. kae

    Ooooooh, as Frankie Howerd used to say.

    Better to happen now than much closer to an election.

  137. Oh come on

    What if the conservative members set a trap for Shortass.
    Cross the floor and force a no-confidence motion. Peanut head will win, Maltrumble will have to resign.

    Let Labor wreck the joint for another year and destroy their credibility.

    The only problem with this is that, once Trumble has lost the numbers to govern, an election will be called. Even if those who moved a vote of no confidence in Trumble agreed to play the role of Windsor and Oakeshott for the ALP, newly-installed PM Shorten would almost immediately call an election, which the ALP would resoundingly win in its own right.

    I just can’t see any scenario (bar an act of God) whereby the ALP doesn’t receive from the electorate an opportunity to serve at least one full term, either soon (if Trumble manages to hold on grimly for another 18 months) or sooner. My preference is for sooner. Better to effect this government’s demise to commence the process of systematically demolishing the Liberal Party ASAP and rebuilding a new right-of-centre political force, hopefully under wise and careful management which bars entrance to all the careerist dross that’s destroyed the Libs and currently infests the government benches. These people need to have the possibility of a role in any future government extinguished.

    Well, the ALP could pick them up if they wanted to I suppose, but they have their own pack of losers already in the queue for a spot at the trough. Why would they want to give shelter to homeless, unwanted refugees from the smouldering ruins of the Liberal Party?

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