Stabilizing the grid in South Australia

Nice work comrades!

The closure of South Australia’s GM Holden Car Factory (13,000 jobs) will help stabilise South Australia’s green electricity grid, according to the government AEMO. Holden closure will help Energy Market Operator manage SA’s blackout risk.

How many more jobs will have to be shed to make the grid safe?

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75 Responses to Stabilizing the grid in South Australia

  1. Empire GTHO Phase III

    How many more jobs will have to be shed to make the grid safe?

    It’s OK. Anyone who loses their job can become a windmill whisperer.

  2. Mike of Marion

    Biggest snow job in years – they couldn’t get the Northern Power Station demolished so fast.

    My brother said that the NPS was the 3rd youngest generator in Australia.

  3. Rohan

    Dammit Rafe, I was going to post the Energy Source and Distribution link in the open thread. Gotta be real fast in this place.

    Amazing. Just shut down the economy and there will be enough power for all.

  4. Art Vandelay

    They’re also going to be installing diesel generators at the empty factory to ensure that the lights stay on this summer at the cost of $100m. I’m not kidding:

    In an announcement today, the SA Government said the hybrid turbines would initially be installed at two locations, the Adelaide desalination plant site in Lonsdale and the General Motors Holden site in Elizabeth.

    They will operate on diesel fuel over the next two summers before being relocated to a new site to become a power plant and be switched to gas, the Government said.

  5. Paul

    NSW pulled the same stunt when they closed the Kurri aluminium smelter in 2012

  6. John64

    Listen you right-wing f***wits (h/t Windmills Weatherill), this is a story with nothing but upside.

    The soon-to-be empty Holden factory will house $100 million worth of CO2 belching diesel generators to keep the lights on when the wind isn’t blowing!

  7. Roger

    This is sheer unadulterated lunacy.

    Coming soon to your state.

  8. Bear Necessities

    Next power we be rationed by the house number. Evens from 6 pm to 7 pm, odds from 7 pm to 8 pm. Don’t start the roast at 6:55 pm!

  9. Rabz

    Softies. Who needs electrickery when you exist in a cave and gain sufficient physical and mental sustenance from a diet of dirt cakes and sea whale watching?

  10. Paul

    Well Holden could’ve gone back to its roots, making horse drawn buggies, they used to make those without lectrickery.

  11. Confused Old Misfit

    Listen you right-wing f***wits (h/t Windmills Weatherill), this is a story with nothing but upside.

    How any rational, sentient being could believe that beggars the imagination,

  12. Neil

    And 53% of Australians want the ALP back to finish the job of destroying Australia started by Rudd/Gillard

  13. John64

    Misfit – Weatherill has recently taken to describing anyone critical of the ruinable energy utopia that he has created in Mainland Tasmania as a “rightwing f***wit“.

  14. Terry

    As we all suspected, Leftard energy policy is centred on eliminating the need for any, by government fiat.

    Freeze in the dark plebs! What energy crisis?

    Now, get on your knees and give it up for Gaia. The planet is SAVED! And all it took was a few jackboots on the necks of once-free citizens to achieve that amazing feat.

    A small price wouldn’t you agree – especially when it is someone else paying.

    Gotta love the Marxists – really nice and compassionate people. Fine specimens of humanity.

  15. John Constantine

    Robot smartmeters will equally share electricity with all, according to their usefullness to the State.

    You do not ask for more than your Fair Share, do you Comrade?.

    100% of the electricity the State rations you, is exactly the 100% you will get.

  16. DaveR

    Negative capitalism. Or better put – post structural Marxism. Especially relevant when the rise in power prices was one of the reasons Ford/Toyota/GM all decided to exit the country.

  17. Leo G

    The closure of South Australia’s GM Holden Car Factory (13,000 jobs) will help stabilise South Australia’s green electricity grid, according to the government AEMO.

    Electricity stability, economy nihility.
    Insanity hilarity.

  18. Rafe Champion

    Rohan, Jo Nova was ahead of both of us, she ran the story yesterday.

  19. Art Vandelay

    And 53% of Australians want the ALP back to finish the job of destroying Australia started by Rudd/Gillard

    With the Liberals planning to take us down the path to Venezuela at a trajectory that it is only slightly slower than Labor, who can blame the electorate? We might as well get it over with.

  20. cui bono

    In SA they are not making stuff anymore. They are making up stuff.

  21. Slim Cognito

    Lowering the bar is not improvement.

  22. Bruce

    West Venezuela?

    Talk about electrickery generators!

  23. Mother Lode

    There really needs to be some kind formula that would effectively penalise places like SA which have repeatedly implemented policies that increase the burden they impose on the rest of the country.

    How many wealth producing opportunities have they foregone and then planted their feet squarely and demanded money because of their difficulties.

    Problem is you can’t trust left wing Federal governments not to meddle with such a formula for votes.

    Or Labor.

  24. duncanm

    You seemed to have missed the vital part of closing this kumbayah circle jerk.

    Diesel gen will cost significantly more than just about every other technology — so Weatherdill and co. can come back in six months time and tell us how the Musk cell and rainbow turbines will be saving the state MILLIONS in generation costs.

    I also love the desal white elephant deja-vu: “The state-owned generators will be tested monthly and only used when required to prevent an electricity supply shortfall.”

    SA is done — can’t even stick a fork in what’s left.

  25. BoyfromTottenham

    Perhaps we should all ask our federal and state MPs to ask AEMO how much of Australia’s industry needs to be turned off to stabilise the grid everywhere, not just in South Australia. Then ask if they think that are going to still have their seat (in whatever party) after the next election if they let this idiocy continue. What have they put in the water that pollies believe this stuff? Oh, it wasn’t in the water, it was in the schools and universities for the past 30 years. The ‘Long March through the Institutions’ obviously succeeded!

  26. As I mentioned on Jo Nova’s site, close every industry done in SA and then across Australia and we will be the poster boy for the UN climate worriers, showing how it can be done. Australia will receive so many accolades leading the way to saving the planet.

    And then we too can be like this fantastic society: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR90t55CvbE&feature=youtu.be. Welcoming all comers with open ‘arms’.

  27. Robber Baron

    The closure of South Australia’s GM Holden Car Factory (13,000 jobs)

    The union makes us strong.

  28. duncanm

    Here’s what they’re installing: http://www.aprenergy.com/sites/default/files/mobile_gas_turbine_solutions.pdf

    I’m guessing the SA gov. waiting for this to be forgotten before he announced.

    TEMPORARY gas generators could be up and running in as little as 60 days and the State Government is aware of this, because it rejected the offer before this summer’s blackouts.
    The Government dismissed an offer late last year from APR Energy Asia Pacific after the company had delivered 75MW of temporary generation to Tasmania when its underwater power cable to Victoria was down.

  29. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yes, yes, yesssssss…..
    My Ruddite Luddite’s…..
    Our time is nearly here….
    All we have to do……
    Is wait…….

  30. RobertS

    These gas turbines are adapted from aircraft engines and can run on petrol, kero, diesel or gas. Unlike a co-generation plant the exhaust heat goes to atmosphere rather than being used to heat water to run another turbine so they are quite inefficient. Talk about a bandaid solution!

  31. Confused Old Misfit

    cui bono
    #2458212, posted on August 3, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    In SA they are not making stuff anymore. They are making up stuff.

    +10

  32. Roger

    West Venezuela?

    Venestralia.

    [Btw, Rafe, you’ve left the r out of comrades. Nice one, though!]

  33. LGS

    If cow manure made up brains, Jay Weatherill would make Einstein look like a moron!

  34. egg_

    But, but… how is the “f***wit” State to cope, now that Tesla’s Big Battery Big Boss has resigned?

    Oh nos…

  35. egg_

    There really needs to be some kind formula that would effectively penalise places like SA which have repeatedly implemented policies that increase the burden they impose on the rest of the country.

    Strap Weatherdill to a windmill blade.

  36. Peter

    “How many more jobs will have to be shed to make the grid safe?”

    Well if we make energy policy sufficiently dysfunctional and get rid of all jobs, everyone will leave the state. We won’t need to worry about greenhouse gasses as there will be none. Job done!
    As Baldrick of Black Adder says (and it seems Weatherill could justifiably also say about his energy policy). “I have a cunning plan.”

  37. Jannie

    That’s great but they are going to need an extra million windmills to build the $50billion worth of Christopher Pyne submarines.

  38. Leo G

    But, but… how is the “f***wit” State to cope, now that Tesla’s Big Battery Big Boss has resigned?

    Kurt Kelty curtailed?

  39. overburdened

    This from the mob who rubbished Tony Abbott regarding the loss of Wyalla, now currently on life support. Prescient warnings are held to scorn or ridicule when it’s not about Global Somethinging or the death of the reef, micro-aggressions or whatever other bullshit the socialists run with. I wonder if anyone remembers the bullocking John Howard copped for ‘be alert not alarmed’? Bit of a no-brainer but put to bed to aid the onslaught. It would be good for MSM to periodically hold the socialists, if that is an accurate enough description for this diverse group of pests and wreckers, to account for their hypocritical and blatant false trothing and bald faced lying.

  40. overburdened

    try ‘truthing’ sheesh

  41. overburdened

    try bullocking too

  42. egg_

    Kurt Kelty curtailed?

    SA = (Fvckwittery)³

  43. rickw

    Let’s just get this plunge to third world status done!!

  44. Mark

    A great victory for the greens. Who needs cars and jobs and stuff when you can have a hammer and a sickle?

  45. Leo G

    SA = (Fvckwittery)³

    It would seem to follow that the odds South Australia is in Elon Musk’s ‘base reality’ is one in billions”.

  46. Entropy

    Maybe to save power they should stop holding the SA parliament over summer.

    Oh, wait a minute!

  47. LGS

    Going by that logic, the more closures of business and industry in South Australia, the less power needed!
    The inmates have taken over the asylum in South Australia.

  48. Rafe Champion

    Thanks Roger. Fugitive “r” apprehended and put in its place:)

    Speaking of desal plants we are having a nice Fall of rain this evening. What is the level of dams at present?

    Thanks Rob. Who took my glasses?

  49. John64

    I have a vision of SA’s runnable energy future:

    Vast wind farms as far as the eye can see.

    A huge diesel generator placed at the foot of each wind turbine with a massive belt drive to turn the rotor when the wind doesn’t blow.

  50. RobK

    Rafe,
    ” …having a nice all of rain this evening. “
    Now you have a fugitive”f”?

  51. Dr Faustus

    These gas turbines are adapted from aircraft engines and can run on petrol, kero, diesel or gas.

    Correct. And they will likely be running on JetA1 rather than gas. The price of gas/pipeline capacity contracted on a ‘take-shitloads-when-we-suddenly-need-it’ basis will be eye-wateringly expensive.

  52. Rafe Champion

    A huge diesel generator placed at the foot of each wind turbine with a massive belt drive to turn the rotor when the wind doesn’t blow.

    Could be a goer. Remember when the Spanish rate for solar to the grid was so attractive they ran generators to shine lights on the panels at night so they could generate “solar” day and night!

  53. Pyrmonter

    A good example of what, in the early days of climate policy, used to be called a “no regrets” approach. Holden always existed behind high tariffs and a panoply of non-tariff barriers like procurement policies, influence over “safety” standards and the like; glad to see it gone. Time for SA to find something in which it has a comparative advantage and get on with it.

  54. duncanm

    Speaking of desal plants we are having a nice Fall of rain this evening. What is the level of dams at present?

    the whole greater Sydney dam storage system has been bouncing off the (raised) full operating storage ceiling since Jan 2012.

  55. RobK

    Why does SA have to insist on doing it the hard way. Not just the hard way to a reasonable outcome but the hard way to a complete balls-up. 267MW of open cycle turbine for emergencies is technically a redundancy for the grid….expensive. A cost of renewballs.
    If it is used for general load following (intermittent supply following) as it’s gas incarnation once plumbed in go gas, it will represent another taxpayer subsidy to intermittents and a further perturbation of the market leading to rorting. SA is being done over.
    The projection in the link above regarding domesticPV mitigating the summer short fall over looks the “duck-curve” seen in California where the peak demand is actually just after sunset, even in summer. Typically, there is often little wind then too, especially in coastal diurnal settings. The gas turbines are about the size of one large wind set up. This won’t end well.

  56. egg_

    It would seem to follow that the odds South Australia is in Elon Musk’s ‘base reality’ is one in billions”.

    What’s that Pong coming out of the desal plant?

  57. Confused Old Misfit

    mh
    #2458411, posted on August 3, 2017 at 7:12 pm
    South Australia in the not too distant future.

    Hah! That’s the present!

    There are two major f*(^wits in South Australia. Unfortunately there are too many minor f*(^wits that think that the sun shines out of the major’s respective fundaments and having had a progressive liberal union guided education they have not the intellect to see the extent to which they are being robbed.
    The political Liberal opposition in the state seems to have about as much gumption as an American Republican senators.

  58. Habib

    #2458576, posted on August 3, 2017 at 10:10 pm
    A good example of what, in the early days of climate policy, used to be called a “no regrets” approach. Holden always existed behind high tariffs and a panoply of non-tariff barriers like procurement policies, influence over “safety” standards and the like; glad to see it gone.

    Hasn’t gone anywhere, the whole raft of restrictive bollocks is still there- expended in fact. A couple of high value and rare classic imports have recently either been completely destroyed or damaged extensively by the federales protecting us from asbestos. I don’t think this tip will stop at Venezuela.

  59. johanna

    Rafe Champion
    #2458194, posted on August 3, 2017 at 2:14 pm

    Rohan, Jo Nova was ahead of both of us, she ran the story yesterday.

    I ran the story yesterday on the Open Thread before any of them, but no-one was interested.

    Ya get that.

    But thanks, Rafe, for elevating it.

    In particular, how the now unemployed workers will pay their astronomical power bills is not mentioned.

  60. This is just unbelievable. SA has large quantities of uranium. They should be flush with cheap and clean electricity.

  61. This is no laughing matter. That’s 13000 people left without work who are now going to have to dip into their savings to maintain their commitments, many won’t be able to, and to what end? Because of ridiculous decisions made at the state and federal level in a forlorn attempt to rein in global temperatures by some immeasurable degree. People ought to be punished for this gross stupidity.

  62. struth

    We all know it is purely driven by left wing hatred of the west born of willful ignorance .
    Our problem is there is no opposition worth pissing on.
    This, in a proper functioning democracy couldn’t get to this level of insanity.

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  64. John Constantine

    The point is to send South Australias industrial production capacity overseas as War Reparations, like Stalin took the industrial capacity of East Germany for profit and punishment.

    South Australia can then progress to the abc promoted services economy, servicing diverse imported client herds with borrowed money.

    The transnational League of Looting Dictators have now branch-stacked so many votes onto so many International decision making bodies that it is a legal requirement, under international conventions drafted by the legal lackies of dictators and signed by julie bishop, to coweringly comply with Climate Justice economic euthanasia for racist settler outpost societies.

    [ and send the money to the ruling class of the worlds hellholes.]

  65. Shy Ted

    Power outage in N Adelaide this morning. 100% cloud cover now. Wind will shortly be blowing the windmills over. That’ll learn the right wing f***wits.

  66. Mike of Marion

    Oh, the Dim Bulb of SA Treasurer had to come on radio this morning to defend the reduction of performance for his new generators when it is HOT in SA. He had to admit there was a drop off due to high heat.

    He reckons the drop off has been factored in.

  67. struth

    The transnational League of Looting Dictators have now branch-stacked so many votes onto so many International decision making bodies that it is a legal requirement, under international conventions drafted by the legal lackies of dictators and signed by julie bishop, to coweringly comply with Climate Justice economic euthanasia for racist settler outpost societies.

    I agree with this entirely.

    However our constitution forbids subservience to a foreign power for our political office holders.
    Our constitution does not allow us to sign up to a foreign LAW.
    We may enter treaties of course, but their is a big difference between that and what is going on.
    There is not a lawyer alive that will agree with this due to self interest above national interest, but none the less it’s plainly stated.

  68. struth

    Do you think that you could successfully teach a lefty that there is a market for new cars world wide and that if we aren’t making them, someone else is?

    Nope.
    Their mind set would be to FORCE car manufacturing to decline because it’s only the rich that can afford them.

    So when coal burning India makes the cars we were making and they become wealthy selling to the wealthy and start buying them (like China), who will force them back into poverty?
    How come their pollution is fine, only western pollution causes global warming?

    The insanity on such basic kiddienomics is what would follow.

    Oh well, at least it won’t be us killing the planet………………….

    You know this is the extent to a lot of lefty thinking, yet we argue with them.
    Without defunding them, they will kill us.
    Pure and simple.

  69. Julian the deplorable

    Three cheers for SA. Hip hip, hooray, hip hip, hooray, hip hip, hooray

  70. OldOzzie

    Diesel generator revelations dismissed by SA Treasurer

    South Australian Treasurer Tom Koutsantonis has dismissed revelations that diesel generators the government is buying to prevent blackouts this summer ahead of the March state election will lose a quarter of their capacity in temperatures above 40C.

    In a major revision to his $550 million go-it-alone energy plan, Premier Jay Weatherill on Tuesday announced a new proposal he promised would deliver greater capacity at a lower cost.

    Under his original plan, Mr Weatherill promised to build a state-owned gas-fired power station at a cost of $360m. In the meantime the government contracted electricity distribution company SA Power Networks to obtain and install 200MW of temporary diesel generators in key locations across the state.

    But under his revised plan, the Premier said the government would now buy nine “state-of-the-art” gen­erators, rather than procuring temporary ones, with the capacity to provide “up to” 276MW.

    The opposition said the Premier had been tricky with his new announcement, as the diesel generators will actually produce 25 per cent less electricity in hot weather.

    “The Weatherill government tried to pull the wool over the eyes of South Australian taxpayers

    regarding the capacity of the dirty diesel generators it is acquiring on hire purchase,,” opposition energy spokesman Dan van Holst Pellekaan said.

    “The Premier was totally silent on the fact the 276MW of diesel generation dropped to just 205MW on days of 40C heat — precisely when they will be needed most.

    “The government has been equally evasive about the total cost to the taxpayer of the same dirty diesel generators.”

    But Mr Koutsantonis dismissed the revelations.

    “It is completely normal,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

    “It is a well-known occurrence within electricity generation and what’s why we went for a much larger capacity generator because we needed to have more than 200MW to avoid load shedding and even in cases of extreme heat these generators will provide us more than 200MW.”

    The nine hybrid turbines will be installed at two locations, the Adelaide desalination plant site in Lonsdale and the Holden site in Elizabeth, where they will run on diesel for the next two summers before being relocated to a new site to become a power plant and be switched to gas.

    “Every generator has a different capacity depending on the conditions,” Mr Koutsantonis said.

    “You buy a generator and it says it can do 250MW, that’s in normal conditions. The hotter it is, the less it generates.”

    He accused the opposition of running a scare campaign and of media outlets of a “beat up”.

  71. Fibro

    Rafe Champion

    Could be a goer. Remember when the Spanish rate for solar to the grid was so attractive they ran generators to shine lights on the panels at night so they could generate “solar” day and night!

    wait for the announcement……………

  72. egg_

    This is no laughing matter. That’s 13000 people left without work who are now going to have to dip into their savings to maintain their commitments

    Did you miss the threads lauding the Govt for getting rid of local car manufacturing because: Unions!?

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