Today you lose freedom of speech, tomorrow freedom of religion …

I wonder if Vic Alhadeff appreciates the irony, or even sees a connection?

Here he is advocating against free speech:

The proposed changes, if passed, will send a dangerous signal that hate speech is sanctioned as a form of freedom of speech, that bigotry has a place in our society. While we accept this is not the Government’s intention, that will be the effect, and those so inclined will be encouraged to take bigotry into the public domain. Even in situations of unambiguous abuse, the victim will be required to prove that the abuse may incite a third party to racial hatred – an extremely difficult test to satisfy. 

Those who bring diversity to our country will be more susceptible to racist taunts aimed at their culture, their tradition, their faith, their skin colour. They will be rendered vulnerable to hate speech.

Our government has a duty to make racism socially unacceptable and to provide the targets of racism with a legal course of action. The proposed changes will take our society in the opposite direction – at great cost to us all.

Here he is complaining about his freedom to worship being denied:

NSW Jewish Board of Deputies chief executive Vic Alhadeff told news.com.au he had never heard of any other religious group being denied a place of worship just because they were targeted by outside extremists and that the move was a dangerous precedent.

“It’s a very sad day for Australia if an established community, which needs a house of worship, is refused permission to build it because of fear that others may pose a threat,” he said.

“This simply shows how we’re all losing our freedoms. Those who want us to be afraid are winning, and this ill-conceived judgment represents a dangerous precedent.”

Having sold my birthright for a mess of pottage he is complaining that his right to worship has been lost? Gee, how did that happen? Why didn’t anyone say anything? Oh wait …

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109 Responses to Today you lose freedom of speech, tomorrow freedom of religion …

  1. whyisitso

    So it’s now OK to surrender to Islamists according to Davidson.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    Our government has a duty to make racism socially unacceptable and to provide the targets of racism with a legal course of action.

    Our governments have no duty, no responsibility and no authority to do any such thing. They have a duty, a responsibility and an authority to uphold the common law. Therein are sufficient protections for those that feel they need protecting.

  3. twostix

    Don’t by dumb whyisitso.

    Also as if the real reason for the ban was because of Muslims in Bondi. It’s because the kind of people who live in Bondi – our leftwing Liberal party rulers – don’t like jews.

  4. Warty

    Looking at the date of the original article, it seems Vic Alhadeff’s political correctness was representative of more than half the senate, and unfortunately, a shabby few in the Liberal Party itself. Tony Abbott abandoned making changes to s. 18C, as it turns out, because of insufficient support in the party room. As he told us, post coup, it was one of his main regrets he didn’t pursue this harder.
    The whole concept of human rights has turned so many of us into limp-wristed bed wetters; and we do indeed seem to have lost the ability to stand up for ourselves, and worse still, become litigiously minded when we come across those who do indeed have the balls to speak up.
    The lack of gumption shown by the Coalition over s.18C has been replaced by the whole SSM furore in the Liberal Party today, with a handful of Liberal gays prepared to take their own party to the cleaners over personal hobby horses.
    Where is Genghis Khan when you need him.

  5. Warty

    Well might you say ‘whyisitso’. If you go over Sinc’s ‘article’ he is actually posting two written by a bleeding heart called Vic Alhadeff, and then comments himself by means of a bit of irony: ‘Having sold my birthright for a mess of pottage he is complaining that his right to worship has been lost? Gee, how did that happen? Why didn’t anyone say anything? Oh wait . . .’
    In short, Sinc is ridiculing such a surrender.

  6. Habib

    Pinkos have no understanding of the concept of irony, nor do they ever see the obvious and inevitable enintended consequenses of their intrusive idiocy. Fully expected fromWaverley as well, a weathervane of what to expect as the greens and labor continue to mege into a critical mass of marxist stupidity and cupidity. Hopefully they’ll give the nod to a mosque next door to the peee-em’s pile.

  7. Jimf

    You reap what you sow Vic. Harden up pal!

  8. Razor

    a bit confused. The sale of the birthright comment refers to Esau? How does this relate to interference with place of Jewish worship and quote regarding racist speech needing to be outlawed according to a member of the jewish community?

  9. Jimf

    Personally I’m indifferent to religious shenanigans, but as a values based fella happy to take a side as a proxy.Looks like the religion of peace is welcome to annex about 500 sq km of S/SW Sydney but the poor old Jews can’t even have a couple of pockets of the east . They should start blowing up shit , seems to be working for the visiting side?

  10. max

    “If the freedom of speech be taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.”—George Washington

    The most important principle involved in free speech is this: The true test of a free society in terms of freedom of speech is not whether popular and “responsible” speech is protected from government assault but instead whether the most vile and despicable speech receives such protection.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/11/jacob-hornberger/the-real-meaning-of-free-speech/

  11. max

    the introduction of hate-speech prohibitions into international law was championed in its heyday by the Soviet Union and allies. Their motive was readily apparent.  The communist countries sought to exploit such laws to limit free speech.

    http://www.hoover.org/research/sordid-origin-hate-speech-laws

  12. Jimf

    Inner city councillors like those in Waverley, woollahra etc.. FMD ; serve up some cous cous, with the Tagine at the dinner party .. and there you go, in synch and got the vibe. Bet they still get stuck into the vino in a braggy way tho. Please can we build a massive mosque in Point Piper?? Forcibly take 30-40 mansions for a car park and an on-site merchandise outlet too (Burqas R us?) .
    Woollahra Council just fought to the death to not be amalgamated with lesser socio-dem types. They should rename themselves Triggs-ville. All pose, no substance. Fakes.

  13. DtjW

    What does he think. That we’ll all start running around abusing people.
    I’m sick to death of being automatically assumed to be a hateful, racist, bigoted, rude abuser of others by these people. They have no faith in our civility.

    Unfortunately for you Vic – You reap what you sow.

  14. alexnoaholdmate

    What a cesspit this country has become.

    Jews aren’t allowed to build a synagogue “for their own good.”

    Incredible, mind-boggling stuff – and all dressed up in the language of “safety” and “security.”

    Well, Islamic houses of worship keep getting built. How can this be? Aren’t they a target for “da backlash” we keep getting told is always just around the corner, ever-present in the heart of every ordinary – and therefore racist – Australian?

  15. John constantine

    For people that were always going to be first up against the wall when the revolution came, it always bemused me into stunned silence to see how passionately the wealthy and influential of this demographic slaved themselves for revolutionary transformation of Australia.

    Funding the young shorten really paid off.

    When the gay communist lobby begins to be thrown from tall buildings, will they be as shocked?.

    Local councils just want direct federal funding to run the new death camps.

    Diversity Makes you Free.

  16. Gbees

    All of these bleeding hearts forget that Australians in general are very welcoming of immigrants as long as they join in contribute to this great country. We don’t like bludgers or people who misbehave. That’s it. If we want to tell someone you are a piece shit we will. The overwhelming majority of us don’t do so called hate speech, whatever that is. If there are people who would call for violence against a race you can be certain that true Aussies will stand up and fight back. Allowing free speech means we can identify the nasty people. They go underground otherwise. Jokes about a culture is not hate speech, which some leftards would have us believe, they are jokes. Get over it and give us our free speech back and while we are at it can we chuck out all current politicians local, state and federal and start again? They are a bunch of fools.

  17. Gbees

    PS: Vic is the bigot because the true definition of the word is someone who doesn’t want to listen to someone else’s opinion. Anyone who disagrees with free speech is a bigot. So by definition Vic is the bigot.

  18. Mark A

    Gbees
    #2458706, posted on August 4, 2017 at 6:06 am

    All of these bleeding hearts forget that Australians in general are very welcoming of immigrants as long as they join in contribute to this great country. We don’t like bludgers or people who misbehave.

    Is that so?
    Then how come we have so many of them?

  19. srr

    John constantine
    #2458705, posted on August 4, 2017 at 5:49 am

    For people that were always going to be first up against the wall when the revolution came, it always bemused me into stunned silence to see how passionately the wealthy and influential of this demographic slaved themselves for revolutionary transformation of Australia.

    Funding the young shorten really paid off.

    When the gay communist lobby begins to be thrown from tall buildings, will they be as shocked?.

    Local councils just want direct federal funding to run the new death camps.

    Diversity Makes you Free.

    This isn’t true.

    You have always been a ‘Lord Haw-Haw’ here, a ‘Tokyo Rose’, constantly drip, Drip, DRIP feeding your/the UN’s, “you can’t beat us, join us“, propaganda.

    And typically, you started off with warnings of overlooked problem people and policies, drew in your audience of people who no longer felt paranoid or alone for noticing these things that others weren’t, but instead of motivating that audience with rallying cries, all you do is preach that, ‘Everything is hopeless, so just give up and meld into the borg.’

    What you poison every days thread with, all day, is not satire, is not sarc and does not help the most battered, those in the deepest despair who most need uplifting, but it does help those of us fighting the good fight, recognise the many white ants and get the word out to the pest controllers. 🙂

  20. Tom

    Srr, that is the most disgusting and offensive thing I have read at the Cat. Ever.

  21. The Left never, ever, considers the unintended consequences of their actions, most notably when those actions are driven by ‘feelings’.

  22. GD

    The lack of gumption shown by the Coalition over s.18C has been replaced by the whole SSM furore in the Liberal Party today, with a handful of Liberal gays prepared to take their own party to the cleaners over personal hobby horses.

    Well said, Warty!

  23. Peter

    Are there celebrations in Lakemba today?

  24. Baldrick

    Suck it up Val. Those who attack the Land and Environment Court forget there’s a law called 56A(1), which gives the right of appeal.

    Vic Alhadeff @VicAlhadeff
    21 Nov 2016
    Those who attack 18c forget there’s a law called 18d, which protects free speech

  25. Cassie of Sydney

    Hey Vic, where are your leftist mates at the NSW Discrimination Board (and the AHRC) protesting this decision with you? You know Vic, the ones that you love to curry favour with, your fellow travellers and sycophants? Ah Vic Alhadeff, [edited Sinc]. He and his fellow leftist toadies at the Jewish Board of Deputies lie down in bed with fascist leftist fleas and then they have the chutzpah to wonder why, when they get out of the flea ridden bed, that all is not well in their leftist paradise of “Keep NSW Safe” and “hate speech”. Alhadeff and his ilk, like the ADL in America, are simply leftist parrots who will eventually sell us Jews down the drain.

  26. Combine Dave

    You have always been a ‘Lord Haw-Haw’ here, a ‘Tokyo Rose’, constantly drip, Drip, DRIP feeding your/the UN’s, “you can’t beat us, join us“, propaganda.

    And typically, you started off with warnings of overlooked problem people and policies, drew in your audience of people who no longer felt paranoid or alone for noticing these things that others weren’t, but instead of motivating that audience with rallying cries, all you do is preach that, ‘Everything is hopeless, so just give up and meld into the borg.’

    What you poison every days thread with, all day, is not satire, is not sarc and does not help the most battered, those in the deepest despair who most need uplifting, but it does help those of us fighting the good fight, recognise the many white ants and get the word out to the pest controllers. 🙂

    There is some truth in this.

    Give hope a chance.

    Vote LDP.

  27. Rabz

    I’m absolutely gobsmacked at this latest example of disgusting racist idiocy perpetrated by a local council stuffed to the gills with drooling wombat buggering labor/greenfilth cretins (BIRM).

    Every day, in every way, moozleys become ever more of an inexcusable blight on this country.

  28. one old bruce

    We are losing diversity all around. The vibrant/whatever Vietnamese culture in Cabramatta is being swallowed up in the growing Middle Eastern Borg taking over sw Sydney, while apparently 20k ME refugees being placed near Little India in Liverpool and Fairfield will be an interesting new experience for the Bollywood crew.

    It’s a threat to the eco-system.

  29. John Constantine

    Give hope a chance, Combine Dave, but make damn sure this harvest that you go into summer with a prepurchased store of diesel fuel to last the harvest.

    With South-East Australia running a just in time Diesel supply chain and diesel gennies becoming the backstop of private and public power generation, who do we expect will get first go at the diesel when it becomes rationed in case of emergency? Combine Harvesters or the inner city services economy?.

    Give hope a chance, but be clear eyed and prepared for what we can see coming.

  30. whyisitso

    If you go over Sinc’s ‘article’ he is actually posting two written by a bleeding heart called Vic Alhadeff, and then comments himself by means of a bit of irony: ‘Having sold my birthright for a mess of pottage he is complaining that his right to worship has been lost? Gee, how did that happen? Why didn’t anyone say anything? Oh wait . . .’
    In short, Sinc is ridiculing such a surrender.

    Your comment is nonsense. You and “open borders” Davidson completely miss my point that the Waverley Council decision is effectively a surrender to Islam, the religion of terror. “irony” – what rubbish. This is about “Please don’t shoot – I have my hands up”.

  31. John Constantine

    Because diesel fuel bowsers need electricity to run to pump the fuel to make the electricity to run the fuel bowsers, it can almost make you dizzy thinking about the debacles to come.

    [in real life, watching a huge line of customers queue up at service stations during a blackout, because there is no electricity to run the pumps to lift the fuel from the below ground storage into the vehicles is an interesting insight into how close australia runs to anarchy.]

  32. Louis Hissink

    The whole concept of human rights has turned so many of us into limp-wristed bed wetters;

    Cultural Marxism’s methodology involves controlling the terminology and ‘human-rights’ falls squarely into the category of PC terminology.

    Individual rights are paramout, since only individuals need rights as all human action is ultimately between individuals.

    So long as we continue using their terminology, their language, they win.

    Unless no one understands the idea of individual rights, and then how intellectually behind the eight ball could one be?

  33. Roger

    As the French are discovering, you can have synagogues and a J e w i s h community or you can have mass Muslim immigration, but you can’t have both.

    The next generation of J e w i s h Australians will be seeking refuge in Israel, just as the present generation of young French J e w s are.

    We’re trading a successful community that has contributed beyond its size to Australia’s well being for sullen and resentful people whose religion dictates that they not assimilate.

    Well done, successive Australian governments since 1975.

  34. Combine Dave

    [in real life, watching a huge line of customers queue up at service stations during a blackout, because there is no electricity to run the pumps to lift the fuel from the below ground storage into the vehicles is an interesting insight into how close australia runs to anarchy.]

    True.

    Maybe the LDP are not enough.

    Maybe something stronger and more hairy chestedly nationalistic is needed….

  35. pete m

    A Waverley Council spokesperson noted the court had supported the council’s position, which was supported by several residents’ concerns.
    “The ruling follows Council’s presentation of evidence to the court in support of refusal of the application, based on:
    · The proposal does not respond to the context, character and streetscape of the area or provide sufficient residential amenity
    · Unacceptable amenity impacts such as adequate solar access, noise and loss of privacy; and
    · The site is unsuitable for a synagogue because of the potential risk to users and other members of the general public.
    “A number of residents agreed with the contentions raised by the Council and provided additional evidence against the development of the site.”

    Case 2 seems more about planning law than anything else.

    To blame the refusal solely on security concerns is misleading.

    It has nothing to do with freedom of speech, which should not be regulated at all, and left to criminal law re making threats / criminal allegations and law of defamation.

  36. stackja

    Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    From Wikipedia
    The vote for the declaration was 48 to 0 with eight abstentions: the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, Czechoslovakia, the People’s Republic of Poland, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, the Union of South Africa, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

  37. Roger

    To blame the refusal solely on security concerns is misleading.

    “The proposed development should be refused as the site is not suitable for the proposed synagogue use as the Preliminary Threat and Risk Analysis relied on by the Applicant raises concerns as to the safety and security of future users of the Synagogue, nearby residents, motorists and pedestrians in Wellington Street and the physical measures proposed to deal with the identified threats will have an unacceptable impact on the streetscape and adjoining properties.”

  38. stackja

    How many new places of worship would be allowed today?

  39. Leo G

    “The proposed changes, if passed, will send a dangerous signal that hate speech is sanctioned as a form of freedom of speech, that bigotry has a place in our society.” – Vic Alhadeff

    “Vic is the bigot because the true definition of the word is someone who doesn’t want to listen to someone else’s opinion. Anyone who disagrees with free speech is a bigot. So by definition Vic is the bigot.” – Gbees

    There is an etymological tradition that the word “bigot” is used by the politically correct to describe a person who does not make a show of avoiding language or actions that may be seen by the PC as disrespectful to their authority.

  40. Tel

    Freedom of speech is the canary in the coal mine.

  41. Mother Lode

    How did we get to the point where the expression ‘hate speech’ was considered to have any meaning.

    Speech that someone hates? Speech that someone other than the speaker considers conveys hate?

    Laws should follow community standards, not dictate them. If ‘hate speech’ is to be given legal recognition it should be a reflection of something the community already censures. If the community abhors something, then the law should reflect that. If the community accepts something illegal, then the law should be rescinded.

    If the community does not recognise ‘hate speech’ in their lives then it has no business being a matter of policy or law.

    But this progressive fiction has been allowed to attain the same status as assault. It is used to summarise a whole range of things already illegal under one name, to which are quietly added a whole lot more. Offend, embarrass, feelings…

    Enough already!

  42. stackja

    Newspeak is now the norm.

  43. Cassie of Sydney

    “Freedom of speech is the canary in the coal mine”. Yep, as is the growth of anti-Semitism. First they came for the Jews, then, as sure as the sun rises in the east they will come for Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Satanists, Scientologists, Taoists and all the other infidels.

  44. Senile Old Guy

    Laws should follow community standards, not dictate them. If ‘hate speech’ is to be given legal recognition it should be a reflection of something the community already censures. If the community abhors something, then the law should reflect that.

    That, alas, is a beguiling but dangerous path to go down. The “community” has often venerated evil ideas and despised good ones. “The road to hell” and “good intentions”, and so on. I definitely do not want the law rewritten to follow what Islam wants.

    There are already laws about libel, slander and defamation, although they are expensive for ordinary people to use. And already laws about supposed “hate speech” are being used to harass and silence people for saying things that are, or should be, uncontroversial. We see the harassment and prosecution of Christian preachers for simply saying what the Bible says, while Imams call for people to be beheaded and killed, with nothing being done.

  45. closeapproximation

    Bolt also has argued forcefully with Oz Jewish community that their support of 18C and speech restrictions will in the long-run be to their detriment.

    And what have they got for their deference ? Synagogue ban, and now limited ability to fight back.

    Did Oz Jewish community really think that speech codes and religious anti-discrimination policies would be applied equally and fairly !?

  46. jupes

    J ews aren’t allowed to build a synagogue “for their own good.”

    Incredible, mind-boggling stuff – and all dressed up in the language of “safety” and “security.”

    Can anyone remember politicians explaining to us that Muslim immigration would mean no more synagogues?

    No? Neither can I.

  47. Mother Lode

    Live his assertion that if something is not actually illegal, it will run rife.

    But even then, suppose somethings are like that. If a community believes in something then it is up to the government to make sure they can do it. Not over rule them.

    If a community were naturally racist (or, let us use a word less loaded as an admonition) if does consider people of different races have different traits, then that is what the pollies should be protecting. It is not up to them – venal, small minded, self-serving opportunists – to tell a community vastly more moral than them what to do. It just happens we are not.

    Just like it is not up to them to tell us to feel guilty about what they have done to Aborigines, or that marriage belongs to any man and his dog. Literally.

    And the thing about those poor hapless migrants being immersed into this roiling cauldron of racism – has he not notices that in the countries they usually come from racism is quite accepted. Not so here.

  48. Mother Lode

    If the community abhors something, then the law should reflect that.

    Who is to decide what is evil?

    Shouldn’t the community police itself?

    The evils of Communism and Nazism were managed by governments. In Germany the regime played no small part in whipping anti-Semitism up into a frenzy. Previously, while there had been some low level discrimination, the Dhu-ish population lived and prospered and were part of every day life. If anything, the development of society was leading to greater assimilation.

  49. struth

    Yet many J e ws are left wing.
    They tell me they are smart people.
    Obviously not smart enough to work out what side of politics a National SOCIALIST was.

  50. notafan

    Srr, that is the most disgusting and offensive thing I have read at the Cat. Ever.

    Is that another thinly veiled death threat there Tom ‘white ants’ “pest controllers’ because the srrdalek has decided that John C is of the enemy and should be exterminated.
    There are list, and lists, here at the cat.

    And is it one of several attacks in a similar vein against John C, you must have missed the earlier ones.

    Not to mention that srr thinks that the readers of the cat are dumb sheep incapable of any form of discernment, and only those opinions and links that have passed through the srr sewerfilter and deemed safe for dummies should be allowed to be posted here.

    Venting is now verboten.

    #justanothertotalitarian

    As for the subject at hand, it is a disgrace, I don’t doubt there is a BDS element to the refusal, but it is also an indictment of our muslim ‘community’.

    Bet they have nothing to say about it either.

  51. Terry

    We’d like to help Mr Alhadeff but Freedom of Speech is necessary to protect ALL other freedoms.

    So, I guess you reap what you sow.

    Let us know when you figure out what Freedom of Speech is and why it is important and we’ll see what we can do about taking care of your secondary issues.

  52. notafan

    Obviously not smart enough to work out what side of politics a National SOCIALIST was.

    You are kidding, right?

  53. True Aussie

    I have never met a j ew who did not support open borders. Hahaha.

  54. struth

    You are kidding, right?

    No I am not.
    There are many brilliant right wing J e w s but there is also a surprising number that are quite globalist left wing open borders types.
    My point is that you might want to think twice before siding with the politics of racist hatred, especially when it is directed at your own race.
    Not smart.

  55. Cassie of Sydney

    I am a Jew who does NOT support open borders and I am very right wing. I also know a lot of other right wing Jews who do not support open borders, Muslim immigration, Labor governments and so on.

  56. Mother Lode

    drew in your audience of people who no longer felt paranoid

    Paranoia is srr’s natural state.

    In the Greek myth, the nymph Echo was only able to convey her love of Narcissus by repeating the last few words someone else had said.

    Similarly, srr is only able to chuck buckets of her ardour for Trump by posting endless links with cut/pastes. But, when she finally gets her own voice…Wow!

    It would be as if Echo was finally freed to use her own words, and she was a complete spite filled fucking guttermouth.

  57. srr

    That’s the nicest thing I can say.

    Idiots being more stupid than morons, it gives them the one out of not being outright, knowingly and willingly malevolent.

  58. notafan

    Sorry Struth with most J22ish families counted the losses in their families at the hands of the nazis I cannot believe you.

  59. notafan

    idiot
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    noun
    informal
    a stupid person.
    synonyms: fool, ass, halfwit, nincompoop, blockhead, dunce, dolt, ignoramus, cretin, imbecile, dullard, moron, simpleton, clod; More

  60. Sinclair Davidson

    gentlepeople – let’s not generalise about Jews per se but rather focus on the poor choices made by the Jewish “community leadership”.

  61. Mother Lode

    That’s the nicest thing I can say.

    We’ve noticed.

  62. .

    I need to update the list.

    Updated list of srr’s mortal, Christian hating, Get Uppin, EMILY’s Listing, antis-e-mitic, communist, Nazi, Alinskyist, God hating, dead monster, against nature enemies:

    JC
    Dot
    MV
    Oh Come On
    Tom
    Fisk
    IT
    Yobbo
    goatjam
    Bruce of N
    Beer Whsiperer
    Token
    Rabz
    Gab
    Baldrick
    Denise
    P
    Makka
    Arky
    Lizzie
    Tiny Dancer
    Finland
    Belgium
    Pope Frank
    Sweden
    Philippa Martyr
    feelthebern
    Shelley
    Hindus
    Non-nation builders
    Anne
    Google
    Victoria Police
    Victoria Corrective Services
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    Slayer of Memes
    Dan/Ragu
    Johanna
    Ant
    Ted Cruz
    Cory Bernardi
    Leigh Lowe
    Hilary Clinton
    Huma Abedin (Humour Abbadon)
    Rick Perry
    George Soros
    Demons
    Black magic users
    Women
    Old families
    CNN
    notafan
    Google
    Yahoo
    Microchips
    Quantum mechanics
    Incoherent rambler
    YouTube
    YouTubers
    Bill Clinton
    John Constantine
    Mother Lode

  63. Mother Lode

    I have never met a j ew who did not support open borders. Hahaha.

    What a strange cloistered little world you must live in.

    Are you also saying you don’t know of any – including those you have not met personally?

  64. Cassie of Sydney

    Thank you Sinclair, the Jewish community here in OZ is not monolithic. Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

  65. Fred

    Jews have been big supporters of open borders and the multicultural industry.

    You’ve made your bed, now lie in it.

  66. Mother Lode

    Hey, I made the list!

    Thanks, dot.

    Lemme see…first I would like to thank my parents, without whom I would not be here today. They also encouraged me to pursue my dream of getting onto srr’s bad books.

    And Brother Luke from year 7, who always encouraged humour when discussing matters of knowledge.

    And I would like to thank Sinkers for letting me get my comments up…and…and, and a special shout out to all the guys back in The Shire: SUCKERS!

  67. Mother Lode

    Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

    Curiously, that shows how well integrated the Jooish community is.

    It’s like that for everyone.

  68. struth

    Sorry Struth with most J22ish families counted the losses in their families at the hands of the nazis I cannot believe you.

    One word.

    Hollywood.

    Just for starters.

    Remember, I am not putting all JOOS in the same box, that’s a left wing trait.
    I am just saying that they are out there and some are extremely left wing, and it really isn’t smarts that are shown in those cases.

  69. notafan

    In other words they are individuals, just like everyone else/

    Thank you for that.

  70. struth

    Always the same.

    Thank you Sinclair, the Jewish community here in OZ is not monolithic. Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

    I’ll change one word.

    Thank you Sinclair, the ABORIGINAL community here in OZ is not monolithic. Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

    Leftists they would have to be.

    No one can represent a race.
    You can have a Rabbi representing a religion, like a priest representing Catholicism.

    Other than that, your so called leaders are using racial division to promote their politics.
    Therefore they will always be left wing.

  71. struth

    Always the same.

    Thank you Sinclair, the Je wish community here in OZ is not monolithic. Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

    I’ll change one word.

    Thank you Sinclair, the ABORIGINAL community here in OZ is not monolithic. Sadly, we have a useless Board of Deputies which is staffed by people who use the platform to push and promote their own political agendas (usually leftist) and beliefs and a lot of us in the community are not happy about it.

    Leftists they would have to be.

    No one can represent a race.
    You can have a Rabbi representing a religion, like a priest representing Catholicism.

    Other than that, your so called leaders are using racial division to promote their politics.
    Therefore they will always be left wing.

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  72. Alex Davidson

    I agree with those who think the focus on freedom of speech misses the mark. As a second-hand dealer in ideas, I can do no better than quote Rothard:

    Liberals generally wish to preserve the concept of “rights” for such “human” rights as freedom of speech, while denying the concept to private property.

    Freedom of speech is supposed to mean the right of everyone to say whatever he likes. But the neglected question is: Where? Where does a man have this right? He certainly does not have it on property on which he is trespassing. In short, he has this right only either on his own property or on the property of someone who has agreed, as a gift or in a rental contract, to allow him on the premises. In fact, then, there is no such thing as a separate “right to free speech”; there is only a man’s property right: the right to do as he wills with his own or to make voluntary agreements with other property owners.

    In Australia, everything is reversed. So-called ‘planning’ rules well and truly obliterate individual property rights; while 18C makes sure we can speak freely as long as what we say is politically correct.

  73. struth

    In other words they are individuals, just like everyone else/

    Thank you for that.

    That’s how you and I and every other person who isn’t a racist sees them.

    Lefties do see race.
    And they definitely hate Joooos.

  74. gbees

    Mark A
    #2458709, posted on August 4, 2017 at 6:14 am

    Is that so?
    Then how come we have so many of them?

    Because politicians keep importing them. When I said we, I meant us normal Aussie out here in pleb land.

  75. Haidee

    18C does ensure we can speak freely, as long as it’s PC.

    Oxford Dictionary used to state:
    ‘the condition of bigotry is the obstinate and blind attachment to a creed’, but now ‘bigotry’ covers a whole lot more.
    Many Catholics could be bigoted; pushback, maybe. Not prevalent now.

  76. Nathan

    Ludwig Von Mises (1944) in Bureaucracy:

    “Totalitarianism is much more than mere bureaucracy. It is the subordination of every individual’s whole life, work, and leisure, to the orders of those in power and office. It is the reduction of a man to a cog in an all-embracing machine of compulsion and coercion. It forces the individual to renounce any activity of which the government does not approve. It tolerates no expression of dissent.”


    Nostradamus was an amateur compared to Von Mises.

  77. A Lurker

    gentlepeople – let’s not generalise about Jews per se but rather focus on the poor choices made by the Jewish “community leadership”.

    I agree, and I think the ‘community leadership’ in question ought to be directed to your post here Sinc. and offered a right of reply to his original argument against Freedom of Speech and S18C.

  78. Sinclair Davidson

    I agree, and I think the ‘community leadership’ in question ought to be directed to your post here Sinc. and offered a right of reply to his original argument against Freedom of Speech and S18C.

    Everybody always has the right of reply here – what surprises me is that so few ever take it up. Even those people who take the time to email to complain to me seldom accept the offer to place their reply on the public record.

  79. jupes

    Nostradamus was an amateur compared to Von Mises.

    Not really.

    Nostradamus was predicting the future (not that I give any credence to his predictions) while Von Mises was describing the present.

  80. alexnoaholdmate

    What do I have to do to make srr’s list?

    I would be proud – truly – to be regarded as a Satanic pizza-eating spawn of the devil by such a drooling spigot of hate. It means I’m doing something right.

    Sign me up, skipper!

  81. Entropy

    Dammit dot, I am one of the forgotten people.

  82. Rococo Liberal

    … racist taunts aimed at their culture, their tradition, their faith, their skin colour.

    What a dickead. Only taunts about skin clour can be racist. Tradtions and culture are fair game for ridicule. They can be changed.

  83. Rococo Liberal

    Rothard isn’t correct. One is definitely free to say anything when trespassing.
    If you penalise me, it will be for the trespass, not the speech.

  84. Stimpson J. Cat

    “This simply shows how we’re all losing our freedoms. Those who want us to be afraid are winning, and this ill-conceived judgment represents a dangerous precedent.”

    I know let’s build a Christian church instead.
    Yay!!!!

  85. PB

    Jews have been big supporters of open borders and the multicultural industry.

    How many refugees has Israel done its share in taking, while its NGOs help pile them into Europe? I’ll wait. let me know when you find one.

  86. Those who bring diversity to our country will be more susceptible to racist taunts aimed at their culture, their tradition, their faith, their skin colour. They will be rendered vulnerable to hate speech.

    The author has this exactly bassackward. In homogeneous societies, where norms are established, one may have a fair chance in articulating what’s hate speech and what’s not.
    In multiculti, multiethno societies, the permutations and combinations of what’s hate speech and what’s not is far too great to be able to codify without adverse consequences.
    It is precisely in multiculti societies that we need absolute free speech.

  87. Stimpson J. Cat

    I am a Jew who does NOT support open borders and I am very right wing. I also know a lot of other right wing Jews who do not support open borders, Muslim immigration, Labor governments and so on.

    I would be more moved if you started with
    “I am an Australian…. ”
    But do as you like.
    It’s a free country.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    I am a J$w who does NOT support open borders and I am very right wing. I also know a lot of other right wing J$ws who do not support open borders, Muslim immigration, Labor governments and so on.

    I would be more moved if you started with
    “I am an Australian…. ”
    But do as you like.
    It’s a free country.

  89. Mother Load said #2458814, posted on August 4, 2017 at 9:43 am

    Laws should follow community standards, not dictate them. If ‘hate speech’ is to be given legal recognition it should be a reflection of something the community already censures.

    We didn’t need laws to stop using the word N I G G E R. We don’t need laws to tell us to continue not using the word.
    Less laws the better.

  90. whyisitso

    I would be more moved if you started with
    “I am an Australian…. ”

    So what? I am a motor mechanic. Do I really need to stress my nationality to curry favour with the likes of you?

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    So what? I am a motor mechanic. Do I really need to stress my nationality to curry favour with the likes of you?

    Are all cultures equal?
    No.
    Am I racist if tell you not to build a garage near me?
    No I am not.
    Am I racist if I say some motor mechanics are shonky lying ripoff merchants?
    No I am not.
    Should I be allowed to say this?
    Yes.
    Do I prefer Australians to non-Australians?
    Depends on if I like you or not.
    How many refugees have you had living in your house?
    I’ve had three.

  92. NSW Jewish Board of Deputies CE framed it as an infringement on religious freedom in general rather than a security risk due to Muzzle mens aggression against Juice, possibly in fear of breaching 18C, which he upholds on behalf of the community who don’t all agree – there was no communal plebiscite. You’re not permitted to name it, not even when you’ve painted yourself into the corner and perched out on a limb you’re sawing off and all the other metaphors.

  93. Tailgunner

    The Red Sea pedestrians are the original Globalists.
    Let’s not get all misty-eyed over their fate here, m’kay?

  94. notafan

    The Red Sea pedestrians are the original Globalists.
    Let’s not get all misty-eyed over their fate here, m’kay?

    What , all of them?

  95. test pattern

    There is no such thing as ‘race’ just human diversity. Pls move from the 19th to the 21st century and use post-racial discourse Thankyou.

  96. Sinclair Davidson

    How many refugees has Israel done its share in taking, while its NGOs help pile them into Europe? I

    Actually Israel has accepted many hundreds of thousands of refugees – many from Europe and then also from the Middle East.

  97. notafan

    nearly a million from the ME

    And they were all as genuine as you can get, literally fleeing for their lives.

  98. Fred of Greenslopes

    I am seventy nine years old and I never lived under the threat, no matter how low in probability, that I might be blown up on a plane, near a place of worship, in a cafe, etc, until Muslims became a significant proportion of Australia’s population. I always thought the attack on the Ghan was a one off.

  99. cohenite

    Good comments; most of you get the problem. The problem is going to get worse.

  100. cohenite

    There is no such thing as ‘race’ just human diversity. Pls move from the 19th to the 21st century and use post-racial discourse Thankyou.

    Sociobiology.

  101. struth

    There is no such thing as ‘race’ just human diversity. Pls move from the 19th to the 21st century and use post-racial discourse Thankyou.

    You’re preaching to the converted.
    We don’t want race recognised by government at all.
    Reading and comprehension are two different things.

  102. Ros

    The mood at the Australian appears to be this is giving into Islam again. This is far worse than catering to the whims of an intransigent self focused minority. This is outright anti semitism. It seems my horror at this event is not felt by many. I see it as being the same as a disgusting behaviour from the past in the USA for example. And am gobsmacked that the Environmental court has no sense of what they are doing and saying,.

    Red lining and keeping Black Americans out of middle class White suburbs. Lots of dirty tricks like making it impossible for them to get loans and the like.

    And why? One of the justifications was that if Black Americans were allowed to live in respectable suburbs they would cause violence, attract those who didn’t like them to come to the suburbs and make it unsafe for the whites. No American would dare say it now let alone put in place policies based on such dreadful selfishness, and racism. Yet the good folk of Bondi think it is OK if it is just Jews being denied their rights. Laughable considering that Bondi is probably well endowed with tertiary educated affluent professionals etc, People from Anywhere, and most certainly smug followers of Identity politics.

    There is no doubt the Land Court is doing as the white Americans did in the thirties and forties and fifties etc. And are utterly bereft of any insight into their racism. Because it is more than religion happening here, terrorists kill Jews not for their religion, but for their race. And just as the Nazis viewed synagogues as a powerful physical reminder of the Jewish presence in Germany, so this dreadful man Brown, and the Council from hell are saying a synagogue would serve as powerful physical reminder of the Jewish presence in Bondi. No doubt they are kidding themselves that it is the terrorists that are the problem, but it is them that are the racists.

    Another thing the Nazis did was after they had their glorious night of burning synagogues across Germany they were left with a mess. So they made the Jews pay for the mess to be cleaned up.

    And so no doubt the Jews of Bondi have had to pay the costs of the synagogue that hasn’t happened, but exists now in a virtual way as a symbol of oppression. The court costs, the development costs etc. Are they being made to pay the Council’s costs, to have to pay for cleaning up the mess that the denial of the application for a synagogue has left?

  103. Warty

    In response to Roger, the Jewish community is indeed under dire threat here in Australia. Consider the message school children receive on a daily basis at Masada in St Ives, a Sydney suburb, who required armed security at the main gates when parents are picking up their children.
    And in response to Sinclair, though I’m staunchly pro Israel, I’ve never been able to work out why our Jewish community takes on the appearance of being so divided, with a significant number being on the left, some even far left. Yet Cassie of Sydney reminds us that there are people like him who are ‘very right wing’ and he knows of others who are not unlike him. I am indeed very glad to hear it, but I’m still confused by our Jewish community.
    The head of my father’s medical practice was Jewish and a strong supporter of ‘majority rule’ in Rhodesia (before it became Zimbabwe), yet when Mugabe came to power everyone was given a massive reality check. The message being, when you have your head in the clouds, you seldom see where your feet are actually taking you.
    And here in Australia, not only do a not insignificant number of Jews belong to the Labor Party, there are also a number of head in the cloud Jews who support the unconditional recognition of the Palestinian state . . . now that leaves me breathless, having followed Jewish history from well before the state of Israel was ever established (in 1948). OK I wasn’t born then, but I have had a particular interest in Jewish history.
    How can such Jews overlook the very real existential threat to their homeland . . . and I know most are not plain stupid. I’d be thrilled to my wee cotton socks if someone would explain the inexplicable.

  104. How many refugees has Israel done its share in taking,

    About half its J23ish population are from refugees booted out of Middle East states since around 1950. Another question – how many who discuss Israel know anything about the subject. Fewer than half.

  105. alexnoaholdmate

    Not only that, but this country of only six million took in a million more refugees from the Soviet Union in the closing overs of the Cold War and immediately afterwards.

    So, uh, yeah. I reckon Israel – the nation – knows a little about refugees.

    Your issue – such as it is – is with people who happen to be Jewish and living in the West. Not the nation of Israel.

  106. Senile Old Guy

    I am seventy nine years old and I never lived under the threat, no matter how low in probability, that I might be blown up on a plane, near a place of worship, in a cafe, etc, until Muslims became a significant proportion of Australia’s population.

    Islam is the problem. Anyone who says it is not, is telling lies.

    And in response to Sinclair, though I’m staunchly pro Israel, I’ve never been able to work out why our Jewish community takes on the appearance of being so divided, with a significant number being on the left, some even far left.

    I can sort of understand it, but it is very foolish.

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