Warty – The Conservative Voice

There is a lot of underlying anger (some not so underlying) in Subetei Gur’s article on the xyz site (a conservative alternative to the ABC) along with a similar level of indignation in some of the responses. Lashing out on the left and then on the right produces an endless succession of backlashes, without any accompanying coherent philosophy. And this is the problem with a no holds barred debate, if you can call invective part of a debate.

The article examines the underlying dynamics that bind and separate men and women, and the ability of the latter to manipulate their opposites. It introduces the term Cultural Marxism, which so influences politics today. The whole civil rights movement which invited in the fellow traveller, Women’s Liberation, was based on the neo Marxist philosophy (cultural Marxism) coming out of the Frankfurt School of the early 1930s.  The Emile Pankhurst and the suffragettes of twenty to thirty years earlier, though militant, was primarily concerned about obtaining voting rights for women.

People like Herbert Marcuse popularised Cultural Marxism, creating the foundations of the modern leftist narrative, which extended far beyond a single issue cause like feminism.

Picking up a head of steam, it became infused with the far broader state of mind (I suppose you could call it) of political correctness, a strain of utopian oxycodone designed to soothe away even the faintest grasp on reality. Those meaningless slogans ‘freedom’ and ‘equality’ have spawned a swamp full of human rights designed to usurp any sense of national autonomy, any sense of personal responsibility, creating a false sense of personal identity. This was never the intent of women’s suffrage, though it was implicit in the civil rights movement.

As a result our education system and our MSM and our bureaucracies and our churches have dedicated themselves to the slow-burn process of social engineering, otherwise known as indoctrination, to the extent that our thoughts are not our own; are actions work in concert with the introduced loopy ideas and we become too befuddled to generate an effective counter narrative.

A conservative counter narrative is desperately needed.  Nevertheless it requires perseverance, an effort to become well informed and a readiness to respond to conservative articles, and even an incentive to engage in a bit of blogging oneself: the conservative voice has to be heard to survive.

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33 Responses to Warty – The Conservative Voice

  1. Tim Neilson

    if you can call invective part of a debate

    New to the Cat are you?

    (PS, good post.)

  2. Acatfan

    ‘A conservative counter narrative is desperately needed.’
    Any opposing narrative is required, be it conservative or liberal (libertarian).

  3. Bruce of Newcastle

    As a result our education system and our MSM and our bureaucracies and our churches have dedicated themselves to the slow-burn process of social engineering

    Unfair. Bible believing Christian churches are not pushing the Green-Left religion.
    My impression from the names that I’ve seen is that no ‘Sydney Anglican’ signed that 500 signature letter. Nor as far as I’m aware did any from the conservative arms of the other denominations.

    You are mistaking loudness for reality. That is the same mistake commentators make about the Left in general, which is why they’re continually surprised when the quiet ordinary people fail to follow the Left’s latest lunacy.

    Which presumably is why lefties are preventing the people from exercising their democratic right to a proper plebiscite into SSM. But then the Left has never been into democracy other than as a vehicle to achieve totalitarian control.

  4. A Lurker

    I was only saying to my husband last night that I despaired of my own female sex. I despaired of the fact that many of the middle aged women I know and the majority of the younger ones are literally off with the fairies, with scarcely a logical or rational thought in their heads, believing all kinds of social justice lunacy. I don’t know if it is because many have gone through the university system and thus been indoctrinated in Marxist ideology, or because they read brain-dead women’s magazines, or reality television shows – all I know is that I feel that I’ve taken up residence on Mars whilst the majority of my sex have remained on Venus.

    As for a Conservative voice? The only way to push back is to challenge the lies and the deceit wherever you find it. People have to be woken up, roused from their apathetic stupor because if they don’t wake up, they’re going to one day soon find themselves in a place that they won’t like or recognise.

  5. Nerblnob

    Conservatives are generally not ideologues.

    Secondly, the established media outlets are losing their grip.

    Shouldn’t be too hard to ignore diversions like SSM though, and introduce productivity and responsibility into the “Fairness” equation.

  6. P

    You are mistaking loudness for reality. That is the same mistake commentators make about the Left in general, which is why they’re continually surprised when the quiet ordinary people fail to follow the Left’s latest lunacy.
    Which presumably is why lefties are preventing the people from exercising their democratic right to a proper plebiscite into SSM. But then the Left has never been into democracy other than as a vehicle to achieve totalitarian control.

    “quiet ordinary people” is how I would describe myself and many, many others I know.
    Let us hope that in this latest avenue of a postal vote, it’ll show those who are denied a voice in the media.

  7. TheDAwg

    What a load of inane worthless bollocks.

    Stop drinking and publishing under “guest” Sinclair!

  8. vicki

    While I am generally despondent about the state of political discourse in western democracies there are some heartening signs.

    The extreme trajectory of the neo-Marxists is instigating the inevitable pushback – as is seen in the response to the dismissal of the Google employee for his memo on “gender diversity” politics within Google.

    Its also apparent that the Canadian professor Jordan Peterson, who has taken a stand against gender politics , is attracting widespread interest (& support) from university undergrads everywhere.

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Men’s much higher average visual spatial IQ as well as capacity to logically plan for the long term is not something women are evolved to have, since it provided no reproductive advantage. Fertility is what makes a woman reproductively successful, and civilisation building (intellect, ability to gather resources, invent technologies, protect the tribe) is what makes a man reproductively successful. This fact may not be palatable, but it is the truth.

    This is a quote from the xyz article. Care is needed with evolutionary biology, although I think it very important for us to recognize our evolutionary pathways, especially regarding gender. Overall men do have some differences in particular traits to women, and so do women to men; there is also quite a bit of overlap. The capacities of both are important and have evolutionary significance for survival. Women in the course of evolution didn’t sit around all day uselessly, they worked, thought, interacted and created at a high level of intellect, and those mental capabilities are still there. So let’s stop dissing each other.

    Yes, women may be more susceptible to brainwashing, both inherently (we like to please) and also due to specific and targeted exposure to it via media and in their nurturing roles. The answer is counter-brainwashing not removing from women the privileges of personal autonomy in a complex polity (i.e. the vote, stupid). Many men are stupid too, just as many women are, and for similar reasons of intellectual deficits and social pressures; with men in particular, the groupthink of male bonding kicks in (an evolutionary trait of men). No gender has a fiat on either stupidity or brilliance, so let’s appreciate differences and be civilized about them.

    Yes, many women would prefer to be at home with their children, and plenty would also like to have some outlets for their creativity and need for social interaction other than those offered by paid work.

    Some lucky women have men who can support them in this, and plenty don’t. Conservatism should not be something that is hard to persuade women towards, if approached properly. If put forward as a return to the bad old days of submission, and no rights, then you might as well hand your wives and daughters burkas and be done with it. That is not conservatism it is dominance and stupidity. Conservatism offers women far more choices than feminist fantasy does. Women are actually clever enough to see this if it is offered as a clear alternative. Women are unhappy without men in their lives. That’s a good start.

    Conservatism values the families that women seek to create and keep. Many younger women are very suspicious of the ‘having it all’ ideology, having seen what it did to their parental generation. Produce policies that support the family, reduce welfare and strongly value the pair bond between men and women who produce children together. Make divorce much harder, for a start (that would frighten off the gays pronto, btw). The birth rate would go up, because the majority of women just love being pregnant and having babies, once they are cherished properly for doing this. Don’t diss childcare too much though, because the relief a small amount of childcare (or other sorts of assistance) can bring when today’s woman struggles alone with the rearing tasks should not be underestimated. There is nothing ‘natural’ about living in a suburb miles from others alone with difficult toddlers and no transport. That can be a particular place called hell on some days.

  10. Roger

    The whole civil rights movement…was based on the neo Marxist philosophy (cultural Marxism) coming out of the Frankfurt School of the early 1930s.

    That’s quite a statement.

    Cultural Marxists may have latched on to the civil rights movement in the US, but at heart it was concerned with extending the rights enshrined in the American Declaration of Independence to blacks.

    I’ll grant that women’s liberation was always a more revolutionary movement; Betty Friedan announced its intentions in 1963: to dethrone God the Father.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Men’s much higher average visual spatial IQ as well as capacity to logically plan for the long term is not something women are evolved to have, since it provided no reproductive advantage. Fertility is what makes a woman reproductively successful, and civilisation building (intellect, ability to gather resources, invent technologies, protect the tribe) is what makes a man reproductively successful. This fact may not be palatable, but it is the truth.

    Careful with how evolutionary psychology is used. Both men and women have good and bad traits from human evolution. Women are more inclined to want to please, men are more inclined the groupthink of male bonding. Both sexes evolved in interaction with each other, and brains are more comparable than not. There is a lot of overlap in the mental traits that are seen as masculine and those seen as feminine.

    That said, of course women are different, and today they are pulled every which way socially by manipulative media and rabble-rousing feminists. Most women love babies, enjoy little children and would like to stay home with their own, provided they are not left in a suburban wilderness alone and with two screaming toddlers all day every day. There are ways of socially ensuring this is not the case; we should improve them.

    Making divorce harder would also improve things. Gays would not enjoy marriage half as much, so that would be a plus. The pair bond between men and women raising children should be nurtured and encouraged. Women need to feel cherished. Conservatives can offer choices that allow women to consider this need; feminism throws cherishing out of the window, along with symbols of it like opening car doors etc. Bring a few of the symbols back – they matter. Weddings show that; a very big symbol that has fired up in the past twenty years or so, but easy divorce diminishes its power.

    Taking the vote from women is stupid and domineering. Removing hard won legal rights mean you might as well hand your wives and daughters a burka and be done with it. Improving women’s exposure to conservative ideas is the way to go. Choice and cherish is the message.

  12. tgs

    That xyz article is pretty cringy, tbh.

  13. Tim Neilson

    Men’s much higher average visual spatial IQ as well as capacity to logically plan for the long term is not something women are evolved to have, since it provided no reproductive advantage.

    This is the kind of pseudo-scientific bullshit we need to steer clear of.

    “Higher average visual spatial IQ” probably has some empirical backing, but even for that, the key word is “average” – stats like that tell you nothing about any individual.

    As for that “civilisation building” makes a man “reproductively successful”, how do they explain the genetic survival of the inner urban green voting twelfth year sociology student “male” hipster genes? I can assure you that there are a lot of them in the People’s Republic of Yarra.

  14. zyconoclast

    I’ve seen that video before. I refers to the Asianisation of Australia.

    Queensland Immigration Control Association, 1966. (Worth reading the whole short page.)

    Immigration the Silent Invasion by Dr John Dique, 1979

    Geoffrey Blainey’s Asianisation speech 1984

    John Howards One Australia Policy 1988

    Pauline Hanson’s speech 1996

    It has been well known for a long time what has been going on. But the opposition to the policy has been silenced.

    2015-16 Migration report page 4 chart show that immigrants came from India (South Asia) 31%,
    China + 16%,
    UK 10%
    Then
    Philippines
    Pakistan
    Vietnam
    Nepal
    Ireland
    South Africa
    Malaysia.

    You get the picture

  15. zyconoclast

    I’ve seen that video before. I refers to the Asianisation of Australia.

    Queensland Immigration Control Association, 1966. (Worth reading the whole short page.)

    Immigration the Silent Invasion by Dr John Dique, 1979

    Geoffrey Blainey’s Asianisation speech 1984

    John Howards One Australia Policy 1988

    Pauline Hanson’s speech 1996

    It has been well known for a long time what has been going on. But the opposition to the policy has been silenced.

    2015-16 Migration report page 4 chart show that immigrants came from India (South Asia) 31%,
    China + 16%,
    UK 10%
    Then
    Philippines
    Pakistan
    Vietnam
    Nepal
    Ireland
    South Africa
    Malaysia.

    You get the picture
    (I had more links but it goes to moderation)

  16. zyconoclast

    I’ve seen that video before. I refers to the Asianisation of Australia.
    Queensland Immigration Control Association, 1966. (Worth reading the whole short page.)
    Immigration the Silent Invasion by Dr John Dique, 1979
    Geoffrey Blainey’s Asianisation speech 1984
    John Howards One Australia Policy 1988
    Pauline Hanson’s speech 1996
    It has been well known for a long time what has been going on. But the opposition to the policy has been silenced.
    2015-16 Migration report page 4 chart show that immigrants came from India (South Asia) 31%,
    China + 16%,
    UK 10%
    Then
    Philippines
    Pakistan
    Vietnam
    Nepal
    Ireland
    South Africa
    Malaysia.
    You get the picture
    (I had links but it goes to moderation)

  17. Warty

    Bruce of Newcastle: I can understand your position, but in my experience and those of my friends, the church has been infiltrated and all to many do follow the left/Green agenda. Dare I say it (yes I do) the Pope has capitulated, in fact he had done so before he became Pope, and the bonkers cardinals who hoped to liberalise the Church ought to have known how far this Argentinian would go.

  18. Warty

    Lizzie, I do concur with your critique of the xyz article, and my wife would give me a clip over the ear if I didn’t. I think there is sufficient evidence to back you up.

  19. Warty

    Roger, the original civil rights movement, as envisaged by Martin Luther King, was indeed driven by the need to extend constitutional rights to blacks. They could see the obvious anomalies in what the constitution stood for and the fact they were strangely left out of the equation. In retrospect we can see the reasons were historical, though not just.
    Nevertheless, the left usurped the movement towards their own ends, and feminism was part of that movement. Roger Scruton has spoken at length on this.

  20. Muddy

    What is needed is not only a ‘conservative’ voice and alternative narrative, but an intelligent, focused campaign to undermine and damage the narrative of our opponents. To think that we can ‘win’ the argument and the long-running conflict simply by brushing up on our debating skills is delconlusional.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Warty, I swore like a trooper when my first reply there seemed to disappear into cyberspace, and I had to recollect and write another, far less detailed cos I’d more or less run out of puff. Miracles happen and cyberspace dragged the comment back in, so now youse have all got two of them. Compare and contrast, as we used to say to students …

  22. a reader

    I couldn’t get through more than one paragraph of that xyz article. I’m guessing that nonsense is what they call “alt-right?”

    Whilst I don’t doubt that the cultural marxists have latched onto civil rights, anybody suggesting that Martin Luther King was a communist in disguise is an idiot. Similarly Enid Lyons would have to have been considered a leading feminist and she was no commie. Mary Spence, Rose Scott, Edith Cowan were Australian suffragettes and they were hardly socialists.

    And whilst we’re talking churches, even the uniting church has a very large conservative wing that doesn’t support Homosexual Marriage Redefinition. Sydney Anglicans would never support that; they’re more conservative than the Catholics. The reality is the few pro-HMR voices supposedly from churches do not represent the vast majority of members.

  23. Warty

    A reader, my contention is more that the civil rights movement was usurped by more than one group and used to their own ends, including the Back Panthers (an earlier version of BLM) feminists and,dare I say it, homosexual rights. Having mentioned ‘rights’, might I say the apparently noble Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) has also been a subversive force.
    I tend to be careful not to use the word ‘communist’ unless there is incontestable proof of someone being a communist, but the influence of Marxism, and latterly, neo Marxism is another matter, particularly when it can be so diffuse, so visceral.

  24. All reams of paper & hours of time spent speculating about the reasons for the rise of the left and the demise of the hard working, conservative ‘Right’ in democracies always leave me shaking my head. Discussing cultural marxism vis a vis some other differing philosophical viewpoint, neo this or that, endless navel gazing and hand wringing about why is it so, was Tony too right-wing, Malcolm too left? Should we give someone else a go, how about Pauline-lite? ; oh please. There’s no mystery; unscrupulous populist power hungry politicians who are happy to take the path of least resistance to get what THEY want. Promise everyone everything for nothing as long as you vote for moi, mix in a $1b per annum government funded marketing arm when you get the chance, an education system run by left wing labour unions providing the ongoing indoctrination of a bunch of idealistic dewey eyed dupes who don’t know what the real world’s really like (and when they do find out quickly retreating into the welcoming arms of the welfare net), an army of public servants earning great slabs of other people’s money, a huge migrant intake who can’t believe their luck in getting turned loose with a bunch of poor naive dumb locals happy to let them dive into a welfare honey pot beyond their wildest dreams, and voila there you have it. And who is going to vote themselves off that gravy train?!
    no mystery that i can perceive. pity my poor country. My dad would be turning in his grave, he was too proud to take the dole to help look after 5 kids even when banged up from a car accident! I often find myself thinking of the old Aussie as the frog sitting in the slowly heating water. Populist politicians; the great threat to democracies, but nothing new in that, no cultural relativism or what ever other bollocks you want to call it involved. And they have been around since the voting was invented. probably the only thing that makes me more upset is that we are now thought of as racist, invading, backward bogans who had no culture before the the “new Australians” came, except of course the “old” indigenous Australians. if you want the perfect current example have a look at what Labor is doing in and to South Australia to try and get re-elected. Fiji anyone?

  25. max

    Being a housewife is both a calling and an occupation. Biblically speaking, a wife has to die before she can be replaced. That surely makes her legal position as a wife her most important task. It is not just difficult to replace her; it is supposed to be illegal, except for cause: covenant-breaking.

    Women’s Liberation Means Husbands’ Liberation

    The coming of no-fault divorce laws has transformed the wife’s calling into a job. This is why no-fault divorce is a true social revolution, transforming the most familiar calling in American society into a mere occupation – one without much job security or a fully funded, fully vested pension plan. It has in effect made women into would-be prostitutes: paid for a time for services rendered, and then replaced. But at least a prostitute gets paid. These days, husbands ask their wives to enter the workplace and bring home their share of the bacon.

    Women’s liberation means women’s replaceability: first in the job market, then in the home. This is the heart of the women’s lib movement’s covenantal demand. Women are to be liberated from their callings in order to enter the job market. A wife’s calling becomes an occupation. The more radical feminists call for husbands to pay wives for services rendered: as close a demand to make wives into domestic servants and prostitutes as anything we have seen in history. The whole idea of payment for services rendered is that the person doing the paying can fire the wage-earner for unsatisfactory performance. Payment for services rendered is a market transaction. There are not supposed to be monopolies in the free market. But a covenant is a monopoly. The woman’s lib movement is dedicated to removing covenant status from marriage.

    The feminists have been successful in this campaign because covenant-breaking men have seen the value of an alliance with the libbers. This alliance has produced universal no-fault divorce laws since 1970, which has enabled husbands to shed their aging, less sexually competitive wives. Here is the great irony: the women’s libbers have been successful in attaining their political agenda only because calculating male lawyers and politicians have seen their opportunities and have taken them. The typical Washington beltway marriage has now become the national norm. This undermines wives’ confidence in their callings.
    by Gary North

  26. Herodotus

    Christianity is a counter-narrative that must be suppressed, as it has the power to withstand the totalitarianism of the cultural marxists. True, there has been infiltration of the wet left churches. I know of christians who have eschewed organised religion altogether because of that sort of rubbish, and there’s a new/old phenomenon known as home church where like minded bible based groups can get together.

    It’s also notable that the left think that Islam can be favoured despite its own counter-narrative including the killing or conversion of the left.

  27. Herodotus

    P.S. I note with some amusement the transformation of Hillary into someone who “has thought for ages” about becoming a Methodist minister. I hope her pastor, Bill “up there” Shillady can give her some honest advice about this course of action.

  28. Tel

    Payment for services rendered is a market transaction. There are not supposed to be monopolies in the free market. But a covenant is a monopoly. The woman’s lib movement is dedicated to removing covenant status from marriage.

    Truly liberated women expect automatic payment REGARDLESS of services rendered.

    You don’t realize how weird it has become, but having a separate bank account is now considered “domestic violence” under our new system.

  29. .

    You don’t realize how weird it has become, but having a separate bank account is now considered “domestic violence” under our new system.

    Amazing that privacy is considered a form of violence. What a brave new world.

  30. Muddy

    The excerpt that Max posted was interesting. Warren Farrell has written a couple of interesting books on a similar topic, one of which was The Myth of Male Power. The examples and statistics he used are a little dated now, but it is an eye-opening read. Interestingly, he claims to have been one of those fervent male women’s libbers before realising the damage being done. But then that has been the intention all along: Not to raise [insert chosen demographic] up, but to bring others down. Destruction rather than creation.

  31. A conservative counter narrative is desperately needed.

    Be patient mate, it’s coming and it’s a whole lot more conservative than you think.
    Soon, pedos in dresses won’t be able to shower with your 10 year old, Adam and Steve won’t be able to adopt that cute 15 year old Thai orphan and youngsters will be too busy keeping their heads to worry about social justice or the climate of 2100.
    This conservative counter narrative has already established a foot-hold in places like Lakemba, Malmo, Birmingham, Paris and dozens of other places besides and coming to a town near you.
    Just be patient, as soon as the left gets rid of Trump, it’s nothing but crescent moons as far as the eye can see.

  32. Haidee

    “The coming of no-fault divorce laws transformed it . . . .”
    that’s true

    People in Australia do have a good party to join – Bernardi’s Australian Conservatives

  33. Warty

    Done deal, I notice your tendency to scratch your head when it comes to questions about why it is this way and not that; or that way and not this, though you are more than happy to look at the outcomes and rightly rail against them. Fair enough ‘done deal’, but may I suggest another avenue.
    You see, delving into causes of ‘this way’, or indeed ‘that way’ primes us to stay half a step ahead of potential catastrophe. History is designer-made to help us to avoid making the same mistakes of those of the past. As you may well know, the old adage, ‘history repeats itself’ . . . well it does, though it adorns itself with a different petticoat in each manifestation, yet it is the underneath part that actually matters, not the distraction of the lace and flounces.

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