Open Forum: August 12, 2017

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Not at all testicles. You’re simply a fkwit lacking in imagination.

    Testes is rather amusing. I could probably out the cupid stunt, but it wouldn’t be any fun.

  2. whirrwhirr

    i take it Testes is another ‘lefty’ and too many of those tend to discombobulate minds around here?

  3. Noodles Romanoff

    So what is the convergent evidence that velocity is relative. Truth could also be seen as a derived concept or theory.

  4. twostix

    Back when the English working class attempted to raise the issue of mass Paki Muslim rape markets operating in English towns all over England (count so far: over 5,000 white English school girls bought and sold as sex slaves by Paki Muslims) by organising protesting in their owns towns, “Antifa” were right there to “punch” these “Nazis”. By Nazis they meant the white working class everyman who personally knew girls who had been raped, terrorised or assaulted by literal Hilter loving Paki Muslims and simply tried to protest the lack of response by their own cultural elite about it.

    M0nty fully endorsed the violent suppression of these racists by his favourite para-military left wing organisation.

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Hahahaha. We were just watching an ad for the new movie called “Victoria and Abdul”, about Queen Vic and her friendship with an Indian servant in her later years. She certainly enjoyed having lots of rather nice looking men around her during that long period of widowhood, I remark to Hairy. I then proceeded to remind him of how when we toured Osborne House, her home and retreat on the Isle of Wight, there were many pics on the walls of various male personages of a type whom, if the genders were reversed and the pics were of women, would have been of that Victorian type known as ‘tired businessmen’s delight’.

    Widowed lady’s delight? I ask of Hairy concerning Victoria’s collection of whiskered Adonises.

    Who’s Queen, Edmund, who’s Queen? he replies, intoning Miranda Richardson’s best of Blackadder.

    And the name Edmund reminds me: I have only a minute fraction on the Kindle left to read of Jane Austen’s Mansfield Park. I have been persevering with Fanny Price in spite of my considerable irritation with her. Austen’s ascerbic wit and clever language of characterisation have kept me at it. Gee, for until about these last few pages I had Fanny ready to throw it all in and marry the well-off Henry in spite of her deep feelings for her cousin Edmund. It’s been a riveting page-turner (Kindle clicker) as Fanny wrestles with her various dilemmas of conscience and duty and Edmund similarly agonises in the best of prose. But we’re nearly at the end now, and still the whole thing is not yet resolved, although things have changed as Henry has raced off Fanny’s married female cousin and the other young female cousin has headed off to ‘Scotland’ with another bounder. Better get move on now, Jane, I say as I watch that little bar just about ready to give out. Denouement tonight for sure, as I read the last of it in bed very soon.

    Austen is a fabled writer about matrimony – the achievement of it and success with it. I think many tend to forget that her characters are often simply teenagers (Fanny is 18) or only in their early twenties, clearly wrestling with their hormones as is the want of us all at that age. Thus the jumping of the gun towards Gretna Green is a key cultural meme, in spite of all the severe strictures of Jane’s moral tone.

  6. Fisky

    It is true that m0nty was all in favour of the Rotherham grooming gangs being let off easy by the police.

  7. Tintarella di Luna

    That’s the moron who gave Iran $150 billion, and then couldn’t work out why Russia/Assad were acting up so much. They truly are the dumbest people on the planet.

    The very same and of course those practising j’ism were even dumber, according to Rhodes – “They literally know nothing.” – quote

  8. Fisky

    You know, if you’re a college undergraduate with a distinct name, it’s probably a bad idea to attend an extremist political rally without a face mask. This dumb kid has destroyed any hope of being employed, anywhere.

    http://www.ktvn.com/story/36123640/unr-student-marches-in-charlottesville-white-nationalist-rally

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    i take it Testes is another ‘lefty’ and too many of those tend to discombobulate minds around here?

    Testes joins “Number’s Bob” as another “closet Leftie” – “Numbers Bob” was the only National Serviceman, in an infantry battalion, who anyone had ever heard of, that served in Viet Nam, against his will.

    It was suggested to me that he may have gone along for the war service housing loan, and the other benefits..

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    Nazi-curious.

    Donut-curious.

  11. Bruce in WA

    Raymond Francis

    Who the f**k is this knob jockey? I’ve read some drivel on this earth in my time, but his just about takes the cake!

  12. srr

    Fisky
    #2467874, posted on August 13, 2017 at 11:15 pm

    It is true that m0nty was all in favour of the Rotherham grooming gangs being let off easy by the police.

    yeah but go easy on m0nty, coz everyone knows that for all The Rotherham’s, and all the ‘child brides’, and all the aboriginal camp children, and all the stealing of white babies by government agencies, and all the Dark Net child p0rn trading, you just have to yell, “Pizza!”, and it all goes away, like it never was, coz everyone knows there is nothing more important than protecting the good names of evil people.

  13. twostix

    Fisk did you see that another seven hundred white girls were found to be abused in Newcastle by Paki Muslim men?

    It’s too much to bear that back in the 2004 the leader semi-retarded leader of the BNP was literally arrested for say that Muslims were raping white girls in England en-masse.

    Reading this now is just surreal.

    This is the kill shot though:

    The pressure group Unite Against Fascism has expressed fears that the allegations could serve as a recruitment video for the extreme Right.

    Back in 2004 Antifa were in alliance with Muslim sex slave traffickers.

  14. Fisky

    Fisk did you see that another seven hundred white girls were found to be abused in Newcastle by Paki Muslim men?

    I saw it. They tried a lame Hail Mary pass blaming it on “Asians”, but there’s no real enthusiasm anymore.

    BTW – there was a real creep a decade ago called Nick Lowles who ran one of those communist front organisations, Hope Not Hate. He claims now to be opposed to “grooming gangs”, but at the time he was very vocal that you are a racist for even mentioning “grooming gangs”.

    The disgusting media/activist/police/judicial class who enabled this should be imprisoned alongside the grooming gangs themselves.

  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Time for a bit of sock washing on the Cat.
    Someone stick the machine on overnight.

    Nazi

  16. DrBeauGan

    Bruce in wa, I think he is bird. The poor sod has been living in his own head too long. He’s dogmatic, almost wholly self taught, and terribly lonely. He used to be intelligent once.

  17. Fisky

    Nick Lowles‏
    @lowles_nick

    Replying to @franjohnson_ie @Rtlhart and 2 others
    I’ve been speaking out on the issue since Keighley in 2004. What’s your track record?

    Lying communist scum.

    Nick Lowles, of Hope not Hate, said: “The evil that is abuse happens across all areas of society. This is not an issue of race or religion.

    “We want to encourage all our partners to help us remove the veils of secrecy and control that allow abuse to flourish. We also need to ensure that the media, and far-right groups, do not promote an anti-Muslim agenda over so-called ‘grooming’ trials either.

    Hope not Hate will focus on busting myths that groups such as the English Defence League and British National Party like to promote in their quest for hate and division.”

    So this traitor was still obfuscating on the issue in 2013. Now claims to have “spoken out”!

    I somehow don’t think that will be enough to avoid the Great Treason Trials of 2025.

  18. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ooops. I clicked submit by mistake before I had finished.

    Nazi-curious? That just effin’ insulting, M0nty.
    The Cat is not that sort of place at all, and you know it.

    Someone add M0nty to the sock-wash to clean him up a bit.

  19. twostix

    They’re still doing it, I was reading a story at the “Independent” and the usual suspects literally said there’s no cultural factors at play “it is a mystery” as to who and why, basically.

    It was extremely low energy effort as you say though.

    What I understand now that I didn’t, say, three years ago, is the English class system.

    It’s not just about snobbery and manners, it’s about hate and disgust.

    The British urban white, white collar middle class hate, literally hate, the bogan white English working class.

    Australians don’t understand it, I didn’t understand it, until I entered a mixed-world of it and saw it myself.

    We really need to close the borders to these people.

  20. DrBeauGan

    M0nty, the people who are ‘nazi curious’ are the authoritarians who go for street theatre and black dress-ups. You are much closer than most cats. Most of us are constitutionally anti-authoritarian and prefer arguments to violence as a way of getting to the truth. You don’t understand us at all.

    Maybe that’s why you come here.

  21. Andrew M.

    Has anyone else noticed the Progressives are having to appropriate right wing ideas to get themselves traction these days? If that sounds like an absurd claim, let me back it up.

    Let’s first face the fact that the terms Left and Right have already been redefined decades ago to be very different from the original Left Wing and Right Wing of the first post-revolutionary French National Assembly. So we have no need to cling to traditional definitions of Left and Right because even the meanings most people have today for those words aren’t the traditional ones.

    The right wing, as the name implies, must be the opposite Leftism. Any practical definition of Leftism should induce a coherent set of manifestations of Leftism as a matter of parsimony, and as a matter of sanity should also match the undisputed historical examples of Leftism, such as Communist Russia and the regime of Mao Zedong, and the hyperinflationary doctrines of 1980s Bolivia and the 1930s Weimar Republic. The only obvious definition of Leftism which achieves these goals is to declare that Leftism is “the belief that collective rights ought to take priority over individual rights.”
    It immediately follows that the left wing champions social justice, unionism, and collectivism generally.
    It then logically follows that the right wing champions equal justice, free trade, and individual liberties generally.

    So having established the Right Wing champions equal justice, it follows logically that supporting Same Sex Marriage is a right wing position. The status quo on prohibiting gay marriage is an authoritarian state intervention in the social relations of individuals to enforce one particular religion’s collective view of what a particular word, and the relationship it names, can be allowed to be. This intervention excludes homosexuals from a prized social practice which harms nobody if they engage in it. The supporters of the status quo can only offer their own plaintive upset feelings over imagined damages to their social group yet to be exerted by the 1% of the population that the SSM legislation directly affects. It’s a collectivist social justice argument that no genuine right winger could accept. The status quo on SSM has no defense for anyone who values liberty.

    A similar condition of rightward Lefties arose in 2013 when, amid Edward Snowden’s revelations of free-ranging NSA spying, the Green Left were the only party to voice concerns about extent and appropriateness of untargeted mass surveillance while the so-called Liberals barely shrugged.

    A similar issue cropped up again today when it was revealed that having gained native title over areas of particular natural beauty, the aboriginals were going to charge $150 a head for tourists to even look at Mitchell Falls. It’s a budding example of protecting the environment by privatising it, but it is the Progressives at the ABC who are talking in glowing terms about the prospect while the conservatives can only gnash their teeth.

    These incidents altogether highlight how funny it is that the Progressives, despite identifying as Leftist, have in some topics adopted right-wing positions to gain credibility. The Progressives have completely out-maneuvered the crusty conservatives who have given up this valuable political territory with less objection than a kid being told he can’t go to school today; in his joy at bypassing a distasteful activity he does not notice he will be poorer for it in the result.

  22. twostix

    I called m0nty out as a fascist years before he started sending love letters to literal black shirt, black mask, jack boot wearing middle class paramilitary organistions.

    The intellectual backbone of the Nazi party were the dregs of the urban white collar middle class.

  23. DrBeauGan

    Just got back from dinner at a local restaurant. There are scads of them within a short walk. I had tomato soup, and a four egg chicken omelette and chips, plus a mixed fruit juice. All for under $20.

    This is the only cook who does proper chips. The others do French fries, an abomination. Tomorrow I am going to get a mushroom omelette, his first. I am training him.

    His grilled Fish would be magnificent if he filleted the fish first. I shall explain how to do it some day.

    He has good instincts, and could have been a master chef in a different country. His soups are excellent.

    I shall get him to make mushroom soup soon. I haven’t had the nerve to try his garlic soup yet. I suspect it will be good. I don’t like onions, he has two kinds of onion soup.

    I like people who are competent, and he’s very good at what he does.

  24. Baldrick

    cohenite
    #2467704, posted on August 13, 2017 at 7:17 pm
    Nine has a poll on ssm with current trend showing 80% in support:
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/08/01/06/46/rogue-liberal-mps-reignite-push-for-marriage-equality

    The screen view shows this:
    Should same-sex-marriage be legalised in Australia?
    Yes80%18395
    No20%46834
    If you copy and paste it, it shows this:
    Should same-sex-marriage be legalised in Australia?
    Yes80%18395142
    No20%4683403

  25. Snoopy

    Should same-sex-marriage be legalised in Australia?
    Yes80%18395142
    No20%4683403

    Channel Nein sub-contracted the poll to the National Electoral Council of Venezuela?

  26. Mark A

    Baldrick
    #2467897, posted on August 14, 2017 at 12:14 am

    The screen view shows this:
    Should same-sex-marriage be legalised in Australia?
    Yes80%18395
    No20%46834

    Yeah just had a peek at it, something doesn’t add up.

  27. Baldrick

    From the New York Times:

    Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism

    … and no, I’m not kidding.

  28. twostix

    lol apparently 18 million people have voted “yes” in the ninemsn poll.

    Tomorrows headline:

    “No need for a referendum! More than the population of Australia voted “Yes” in the exclusive ninemsn gay marriage poll. Eat that bigots.”

    Apparently yesterday it was running 80/20 against.

  29. DrBeauGan

    Andrew M, if the point of SSM was to extend freedom to homosexuals so they could enjoying the liberties of heterosexuals, you would have a case. But it isn’t. They already have those freedoms under the name of a civilian union.

    What the activists want is the name. And not for themselves, because there is nothing to stop a couple of blokes describing their relationship as a marriage. What they want to do is to compel everyone else to call it a marriage. This is a totalitarian, collectivist thing to want and has bugger all to do with individual freedom.

    Wake up.

  30. twostix

    Clearly the only way to find out the real truth on where people sit on the matter is to have a mandatory government run poll.

    Oh one side wants to ban us from having that.

    Well I guess we know the answer then.

  31. twostix

    The moment anybody mentions the “F” word: “Freedom” immediately come back with “Polyamourous” (don’t say “polygamy” their Pavolvian response has been trained for that already).

    If they persist wonder how “Freedom” means imprisoning Christians for thinking the wrong thoughts.

    The “freedom” angle is like bashing a retard, it’s literally noob level.

  32. twostix

    Much harder is the atomised nihilist who outwardly wants to imprison christians.

    Tell him to go back the England.

    Because it is with near 100% certaintly that he is an English refugee hiding here because of the Muslim invasion.

  33. C.L.

    There is only one genuine Nazi in American politics.
    He owns the Democrat Party and his name is George Soros.

  34. What the activists want is the name. And not for themselves, because there is nothing to stop a couple of blokes describing their relationship as a marriage. What they want to do is to compel everyone else to call it a marriage. This is a totalitarian, collectivist thing to want and has bugger all to do with individual freedom.

    It is worse than that. The activists want more than the name, they want the institution. As I said the other day, it is very curious that a decried institution among feminists, queer theorists, and the like, is suddenly the institution they want to foist on homosexuals. What they want to do is transform it from the inside, by redefining it, subverting its norms, and so on, and they want to employ the monopoly of violence entrusted to the state as a key vehicle in this transformation:

    New York University Professor Judith Stacey has expressed hope that redefining marriage would give marriage “varied, creative and adaptive contours,” leading some to “question the dyadic limitations of Western marriage and seek…small group marriages.”[5] In their statement “Beyond Same-Sex Marriage,” more than 300 “LGBT and allied” scholars and advocates call for legal recognition of sexual relationships involving more than two partners.[6]

    University of Calgary Professor Elizabeth Brake thinks that justice requires using legal recognition to “denormalize[] heterosexual monogamy as a way of life” and “rectif[y] past discrimination against homosexuals, bisexuals, polygamists, and care networks.” She supports “minimal marriage” in which “individuals can have legal marital relationships with more than one person, reciprocally or asymmetrically, themselves determining the sex and number of parties, the type of relationship involved, and which rights and responsibilities to exchange with each.”[7]

    and

    Some advocates of redefining marriage embrace the goal of weakening the institution of marriage in these very terms. “[Former President George W.] Bush is correct,” says Victoria Brownworth, “when he states that allowing same-sex couples to marry will weaken the institution of marriage…. It most certainly will do so, and that will make marriage a far better concept than it previously has been.”[14] Professor Ellen Willis celebrates the fact that “conferring the legitimacy of marriage on homosexual relations will introduce an implicit revolt against the institution into its very heart.”

    RTWT.

  35. Stimpson J. Cat

    Because it is with near 100% certaintly that he is an English refugee hiding here because of the Muslim invasion.

    Every whining whinging pasty fat Pom who seeks asylum here should face a mandatory five years in shackles breaking rocks to apologise for sending our heroic criminal ancestors here to die.

  36. Stimpson J. Cat

    The Nine Poll is a joke.

    A lot of fingers, not just arses, will be sore tomorrow.
    Magnificent effort from Getup.

  37. I think the centre of the electorate is only very softly for SS”M”. Those strongly for SS’M” on twitter are on the whole comprehensively stupid or ignorant, can do nothing more than mouth platitudes like “Love is love”, scream ‘discrimination” and “equality”, but little more. Their replies to me so far have been risen above the level of non sequitur. The more the ‘No’ case enters into the public discourse the more likely those softly for SS’M’ will move to the “No” column. This will especially be the case as the full ramifications of SS’M’ are made apparent, which is why people like Lenore Taylor at the Guardian want to carefully quarantine what arguments get heard in that paper.
    Good times. Good times.

  38. Their replies to me so far have barely risen…

  39. twostix

    Johnny come lately poms who arrived here thanks to Howard’s White Australia Policy V2.0 had better understand exactly why it is they were invited here.

    Some do, most seem too dumb to undestand anything except news.com.au.

    We shoudn’t be too hard on the dumb ones who think they’re smart, their parents and grandparents did, after all, stick it out in England after WW2 when everybody else with two brains cells to rub together ran for here (away from there) as fast as their stunted, twisted little malnourished little legs would carry them.

    This latest lot aren’t the best stock, not even the third rate stock, and mentally they are roughly on par with our fifth graders.

  40. DrBeauGan

    DB, again there is nothing to stop people engaging in these minority tastes for relationships outside the conventional if they want. Plenty do already. Where it becomes totalitarian is grabbing the name of marriage to apply to these liaisons. And while I suspect you are right and their motives are destructive of existing institutions, one could legitimately object to the attempt to impose their ideas on everyone else without speculating on motives.

    I loathe the whole totalitarian shower. It is quite clear from the various citations of people like Christine Forster that it is all about compulsion. We have to recognise that the ghastly woman is really married to another woman. And anyone who won’t go along with the lunacy has to be punished. It’s as totalitarian as it gets.

  41. twostix

    The everyman centre has been relentlessly hounded hen-pecked and bullied about homos and gay marriage for 20 years now.

    With the right dialing in, instead of an outpouring of support for SSM, it would be the most incredible revolt against it.

    All it would take is half the Liberal party to do an Abbott and it would be on like Donkey Kong.

  42. C.L.

    Abbott’s totalitarian sister:

    [Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament.

    But when pressed further, she added: “If same-sex marriage is legalised … then people have to ­accept that it is in law, how our country works.”

    What a truly revolting woman.
    Left-wing extremists always demand the “law” be accepted … after they change it.

  43. twostix

    Framing this as a vote against who is in charge of the Australian everyman is the way to win this.

    This has nothing what-so-ever to do with fags at this point.

    We let them have our Australian of the Year awards and ABC and SBS and High Court and the entire APS as their weird little playground. They’ve apparently even taken over the ADF upper class now.

    But through it all the everyman thinks “yes but we retain true power, all of that is a minor irritant and doesn’t matter”.

    No no everyman, you are wrong now.

  44. Carpe Jugulum

    Spacechook is on

    The youngest of the Jugulettes has brought a young lady to meet Lady Jugulum and myself.

    A lovely young lass from Korea, she doesn’t speak japanese and her English is limited, but we have had one of the best evenings of my life, Lady Jugulum not so much.

    Our youngest son has the same look in his eye that i had when i met his mother. Aside from that i have spent the evening (to my wife and sons horror) teaching her how to speak ‘stralian’

    She is now conversant with ‘bewdy’, farkin ell’ woda caarrnt, shidhot, pissorff, g’dat mate, good bloke and mate .

    She wil get over the Korea thing, especially when our son is happy and she is so charming.

    Spacechook off

  45. JC

    Hey USSR, Uncle George’s name is a palindrome (Soros)… You think it has satanic overtones?

  46. Sure, DrBG, but once you adopt the name of marriage, the practices you now include have to be considered within the ambit of marriage at law and as a matter of custom, and thereby the norms of those unconventional relationships enter into marriage itself. As Confucius said:

    A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success….Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

    I loathe the whole totalitarian shower. It is quite clear from the various citations of people like Christine Forster that it is all about compulsion. We have to recognise that the ghastly woman is really married to another woman.

    But we cannot recognize what is in truth impossible, which is the motive for their frenzied activity to unleash the state’s monopoly of power upon us.

  47. C.L.

    Note well that Abbott’s sister (along with all other members of the Gaystapo) is playing the game of accepting religious liberty – for the moment. The fact that she argues a Catholic priest would be “entitled” by parliament to refuse to “marry” two homosexuals tells you that she doesn’t regard any such entitlement to irrevocably, definitionally inhere in such a priest’s ministry. For the first time in history, it would become a privilege bestowed by the state.

  48. twostix

    [Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament.

    But when pressed further, she added: “If same-sex marriage is legalised … then people have to ­accept that it is in law, how our country works.

    If the worst of it passes and then priests and what-not don’t go to gay modern luxury Australian prison for a few months as a matter of principle, then the whole Australian christian establishment is a complete and utter farce.

    What I’m saying is half the new testament, in my reading, is basically telling that class they’d better be excited about going to Roman torture happy prisons or else they’re going to hell.

    If this lot can’t handle prisons where they learn to bake and sew….

  49. [Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament.

    It’s as if this refusal was simply the choice of the parish priest and not itself the consequence of 2000 years of teaching whose source is Christ Himself.

  50. twostix

    Way back when I was first exposed to the Internet and austistic IT retard’s politics I remarked to my old dad that “tech” people seemed to be proudly replacing cultural christianity with Science! and the government.

    It has come to pass that in these people’s minds unless the government endorses your marriage, you are not married.

    That is because the government creates marriage.

    The government is effectively the Church to these people.

    What we’re dealing with here, honest to god, is a cult which is attempting to stage a revolution against the old moral order and replace that with itself.

  51. Fisky

    Something tells me we are going to be hearing a lot about this story in the next few days –

    Former MI6 Chief Admits Defeat to Putin on the Russia Fragmentation Strategic Plan

    http://xn--theguardan-4ub.com/world/2017/aug/12/former-mi6-chief-admits-defeat-putin-russia-fragmentation-strategic-plan/

    Just nine years ago on such days, the 5-day conflict in Georgia took place which had several political, economic and geopolitical effects. Accordingly, in an exclusive interview with The Guardian, former MI6 chief John Scarlett revealed some of the behind-the-scenes stories surrounding this issue and also the Rose Revolution in Georgia after several years. According to him, the Rose Revolution was a collaborative effort of the CIA and MI6, and it pursued various goals.

    He elaborated: “it was supposed that after bringing Saakashvili to power, based on the plan, the strategic fragmentation of Russia and its re-disintegration to be carried out in three steps. The first step was establishment of military and intelligence bases and the deployment of military and security officers in South Ossetia. At the second step, radical Islamists were supposed to come to power in Dagestan, Chechnya, North Ossetia and Cherkes. This part of the plan was followed by joint appointments between the CIA, MI6, and senior security officials of Turkey and Saudi Arabia. If political power was held by Islamists in these regions, practically NATO forces could get access to the northern mountains of the Caucasus region.

    The third step was considered to begin after the stabilization of the military and security base in Ukraine. A fictitious quarrel between Ukraine and Russia was supposed to take place based on the coordination of the U.S. and British security services, and subsequently the control of the North Caucasus and all of Russia’s shores along with the Black Sea to be given to NATO with the intervention of the US and British forces. This phase of the operation was supposed to be concluded with the formal acceptance of the membership of Ukraine and Georgia in NATO, and practically Russia would face another collapse.”

    John Scarlett continued: “Georgia’s revolution ended in victory and Saakashvili came to power. He called for NATO membership which was listed out of place on the agenda of the NATO summit with our mediation. However, unfortunately, the 2008 Georgia war was an iron fist of Moscow against our biggest strategic plan in the Caucasus. The CIA’s bases which were assumed to be stationed in South Ossetia were incapacitated in Tbilisi. On the other hand, the initial steps for the second phase were prepared that Putin’s next blow in Chechnya and scorched-earth policy disrupted all the plans in the North Caucasus.

  52. Fisky

    I think it’s FakeNews. Looks like a shadow site of some kind, linking to the Guardian but not actually drawn from the site.

  53. Way back when I was first exposed to the Internet and austistic IT retard’s politics I remarked to my old dad that “tech” people seemed to be proudly replacing cultural christianity with Science! and the government.

    It has come to pass that in these people’s minds unless the government endorses your marriage, you are not married.

    That is because the government creates marriage.

    The government is effectively the Church to these people.

    What we’re dealing with here, honest to god, is a cult which is attempting to stage a revolution against the old moral order and replace that with itself.

    This is exactly right. Emma Alberici in a tweet yesterday said that marriage was a legislated union. I pointed out to her that marriage existed prior to 1961. She’s not very bright.

  54. I think it’s FakeNews. Looks like a shadow site of some kind, linking to the Guardian but not actually drawn from the site.

    Oh dear, Fisky.

  55. Andrew

    In the comfort behind your computers screens it is safe and easy to allows these people their free speech, their first amendment rights, but what about the material reality of them wanting to take away other people’s rights. If they turned up to your town what would you do?

    Nothing, you AntiFA dickhead. If people want to have a rally and speeches, whether they’re spouting Nazi slogans or going on about Palestine and 100% renewable energy* we LET them. Just because their views are silly and dangerous doesn’t mean the answer is to put on our own brown shirts, grab some clubs and bike locks and go and make Nazis of ourselves. Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion doesn’t take away their right to hold it. Nor the rights of others to criticise and shun them.

  56. Andrew

    Maybe if more Leftists got run over by cars, m0nty might even bring himself to denounce political violence in general.

    Hardly. This is one of the happiest days of his life. After around 64 dead cops from te Kenyan’s favourite domestic terrorist org BLM, there has finally been a killing by the other side! He’s over the moon with delight that a woman is dead. Nothing could make him happier than hearing another woman has been shot, stabbed or run over.

  57. srr

    2017/05/13: Freedom of Speech: Not Just Another Value
    Jordan B Peterson
    Jul 23, 2017
    I was invited to address the Annual General Meeting of the Canadian Society for Academic Freedom (http://www.safs.ca/) on May 13, 2017. Dr. Marc Mercer, President of SAF, and professor in the Department of Philosophy of Halifax’s St. Mary’s University introduced me.

    I would like to thank SAF for their support over the last year.

    This talk focuses on the reasons that the right to free speech must be considered in some sense paramount among the intrinsic rights, rather than merely one value among many. There is no difference between free speech and free thought, for starters, and without free thought it is impossible to know oneself or the world.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    Zero self awareness.

    Leigh Sales takes aim at ‘internet shoutfest’

    ONE of the ABC’s most high-profile journalists has taken aim at the “internet shoutfest”, saying she is sick and tired of political opinion sullying online forums where others go simply to talk about books, recipes and life.

    If I turn on the ABC I get Leftist political doctrine stuffed down my throat in just about everything they broadcast. Gardening Australia is unwatchable Green propaganda. Even Landline, which had long been a bastion of sanity, has been falling into progressivism in the last year or so with all sorts of slanted stories. I used to like Foreign Correspondent for news about other countries, but now it is wall-to-wall progressive cant.

    The difference Ms Sales is I have no choice. I must pay for the ABC through my taxes.

    Sheesh these people are thick.

  59. Delta A

    From today’s $Oz: a straightforward op ed by Margaret Kelly for the No campaign. Google

    WE HAVE MORE CONCERNS THAN THE 0.38 PER CENT SAME-SEX HOUSEHOLDS

  60. Herodotus

    Another day, another anti-Trump media spew over something he said or didn’t say.
    America and the west generally is suffering from endemic leftoid infection.
    It will finish us off and leave China to pick up the pieces eventually.
    There could be much worse conflict internally before it’s all over.

  61. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Way back when I was first exposed to the Internet and austistic IT retard’s politics I remarked to my old dad that “tech” people seemed to be proudly replacing cultural christianity with Science! and the government.

    The religious are rather stubborn since their belief wade in the quicksand of being neither falsifiable nor provable. As we have seen recently they will reject their own senses if not in line with their beliefs.

    The only reason to hang on to the christian moral order is pragmatism.

  62. Herodotus

    “Maybe that’s why you come here.”

    Monty is just the totalitarian organ grinder’s monkey.

  63. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    Changing the Marriage Act could change the country

    The Australian12:00AM August 14, 2017

    Before Australians start voting in the same-sex marriage postal plebiscite next month — assuming the High Court allows it to proceed — the Turnbull government has a vast amount of work to do. It must detail how it would protect freedom of religion in the event of a change to the Marriage Act. The proposed Marriage Act Amendment Bill released by five Liberal MPs on August 6 falls far short of doing so. It is not sufficient, as Sydney’s Catholic Archbishop Anthony Fisher says, to protect ministers of religion and those registered as civil celebrants from being forced to marry same-sex couples. Freedom of religion is not just about what happens inside churches, synagogues or mosques. The free exercise of religion, a longstanding right valued by Australians, is about freedom of conscience, freedom of association and freedom of speech. On Saturday, The Australian’s editor-at-large Paul Kelly set out a multitude of problems — legal, commercial and social — which have beset overseas jurisdictions that have rejected the traditional understanding of marriage.

    As Kelly noted, the passage of same-sex marriage could have a second and far more important consequence: “an assault on religious freedoms made possible by inadequate laws that will see a major shift in Australian society’’. Without adequate protection, he pointed out, many avenues of intimidation would be open against individuals and schools, charities, businesses and adoption agencies that continue to believe in the traditional definition of marriage. Consumer boycotts against businesses who oppose same-sex marriage could be promoted via ­social media.

    In February, a Senate ­select committee found “the evidence supports the need for current protections for religious freedom to be enhanced’’. Little, if anything, has been done. But it must be, soon, if religious freedom is to be upheld in the event of a change to the Marriage Act.

    Conflicts overseas show the issue is more complex than allowing florists and bakers to refuse to supply goods for same-sex weddings (the proposed bill does not allow them to say “no’’). In the UK, adoption agencies unwilling to place children with same-sex couples have closed. In Canada, graduates of a Christian university were refused teacher registration on the grounds they might discriminate against LGBTI students. In the US, major companies threatened to boycott Georgia over moves to expand religious exceptions in relation to same-sex marriage.

    Sydney City councillor Christine Forster touched on the philosophical dilemma central to the issue yesterday when she said legislation was needed to “protect people’s freedom to express their religious beliefs’’. But, she also said, “if same-sex marriage is legalised … then people have to accept that it is in law, how our country works”. It is up to Malcolm Turnbull and Attorney-General George Brandis to explain how that contradiction would apply in practice. Dr Fisher has posed questions the government must answer: “Will teachers be free to teach church teaching on marriage? Will employers of church agencies be free to choose staff in sympathy with their church’s teachings? Will employees be bullied into supporting same-sex marriages in various ways? Will children in government schools be subjected to propaganda in favour of same-sex marriage? Will parents be free to take their children out of such classes?’’

    Ballot papers go out in just 30 days. Opposition frontbencher Mark Dreyfus says the issue “is about giving LGBTI couples equality before the law. Nothing more, nothing less.’’ Overseas experience suggests otherwise. Before Australians vote, they need to know the extent to which changing the Marriage Act would change the country.

  64. OldOzzie

    EDITORIALS
    Jews must not pay for jihadism

    The Australian12:00AM August 14, 2017

    The decision by Waverley Council, in Sydney’s east, and backed by the NSW Land and Environment Court to ban the building of a new synagogue in Bondi, near Australia’s most famous beach, on the grounds it could be a terrorist target, is unconscionable. By running up the white flag to the prospect of Islamist extremism, the council is stifling the right to religious freedom of the peaceful, law-abiding Australian Jewish community.

    In contrast with various hotbeds of Islamic radicalism in Australia, there has never been a shred of suspicion of any plots in Jewish ranks to inpinge on the rights of other Australians.

    Jewish people have been part of Australia since the arrival of the First Fleet. And their contribution to the nation in commerce, science and intellectual endeavour far exceeds their numerical strength; they have staunchly defended religious freedom. As Sydney Rabbi Yehoram Ulman says, the decision rewards terrorism, setting an appalling precedent — a stupid, discriminatory and dangerous mistake. Waverley Council should respect ratepayers by overturning the ban.

  65. Tel

    The only reason to hang on to the christian moral order is pragmatism.

    The decision is between something that is known to have worked OK in the past, vs something that might work either better or worse in the future. Of course, each person needs to make their own decision about how important the past might be, and the expectations in terms of cause and effect.

  66. OldOzzie

    Is Charlottesville What’s Really Going On in the USA?

    Nevertheless, the types who surfaced in Charlottesville on Saturday are certainly human beings of the most repellent and disgusting sort, murderous too — pretty much violent, evil sociopaths. I wouldn’t mind if they were all rounded up, put in a space ship, and sent on a one-way trip to Alpha Centauri.

    But how many of them are there really in this land of ours and is this an epidemic?

    Well, it’s hard to tell because statistics are scant and various organizations have their reasons for inflating or deflating the numbers. But we could start with the History Channel (history.com), which informs us that the KKK, at its height in the 1920s, had four million members. Since the population then was just over one hundred million, that’s close to four percent of the country — in other words, really bad. There were a helluva lot of murderous racists around.

    By the 1990s, however, the same source tells us the Klan was down to a paltry 6,000-10,000 people creeps nationwide. Has it gone up since then? Hard to say, but if so, not much.

    Well, okay, the Klan, although it’s the most famous and features the ever-popular David Duke, is not the only organization of wretched white supremacist nut cases. There are a number of others. So for the sake of argument, let’s say there are as many as 100,000 white supremacists in America today. (This is undoubtedly a vast exaggeration, but let’s use it, as I said, for the sake of argument.)

    Meanwhile, since the 1920s, our population has more than tripled to some 325 million. Using the figure of 100,000 white supremacists (not many of whom made it to Charlottesville fortunately), this puts the percentage of white supremacists in the U.S. at a puny 0.03%. Terrible people, yes, but no epidemic by any stretch of the imagination. By way of comparison, an estimated 3 billion pizzas are sold every year in the U.S. There’s an epidemic.

    More to the point, are there more of these white supremacists than members of the equally violent and disgusting Antifa movement? Again statistics are hard to come by. (Both sides like to wear masks.) But I tend to doubt it. If anything, Antifa has been far more active, until Saturday.

    Obviously, none of this is to exonerate in the slightest the human excrement that descended on Charlottesville. It’s just to put them in perspective. For the next week or two — assuming we’re not at war with North Korea — we will hear non-stop geschreiing from our media about what a racist nation we are, how we have to come together, rend our shirts, investigate this and that and endlessly discuss how bad we are until we’re finally forgiven at some undetermined point in an ever vanishing future that seems never to arrive.

    Don’t play that game. What happened in Charlottesville isn’t us. It’s just a small group of real bad people. Indict them, convict them, and lock them up for a long as possible. The rest of us should move on. We have a lot better things to do.

  67. Tel

    This is one of the happiest days of his life. After around 64 dead cops from te Kenyan’s favourite domestic terrorist org BLM, there has finally been a killing by the other side! He’s over the moon with delight that a woman is dead. Nothing could make him happier than hearing another woman has been shot, stabbed or run over.

    Sadly that’s quite true.

    Having said that, after doing some research on Vanguard America, they are certainly not libertarian… and I would not recommend any association with them. That’s not to say I directly blame them for what happened, but let’s just say they really aren’t helping.

    And yes, I understand that with overtly tribal and racist groups like BLM going out and breaking the law with impunity, it makes sense that white organizations will get the idea to fight fire with fire. There’s a certain logic to it, but the “always escalate” school of conflict resolution is going to get a lot of people hurt.

  68. OldOzzie

    What Caused Venezuela’s Tragic Collapse? Socialism.

    A vital lesson, as we confront calls for more regulation and government control in all aspects of our lives.

    The collapse of Venezuela’s economy is both horrifying and predictable, and the world needs to understand why.

    Venezuela has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, and it was once Latin America’s richest country. Today, most grocery store shelves are empty, and Venezuelans are so hungry that they’re killing zoo animals for sustenance. Toilet paper, diapers, and toothpaste are luxury goods. Venezuelan hospitals have disintegrated, children are dying because they can’t get antibiotics, and the infant mortality rate is higher than Syria. The capital city of Caracas is the murder capital of the world, and just 12 percent of citizens feel safe walking alone at night, which is the lowest figure reported in the world.

    The government blames slumping oil prices for the desperate situation. The real cause is the socialist economy. The government sets the price of staples such as rice, pasta, and flour, resulting in chronic shortages. Former President Hugo Chavez nationalized industries, confiscated property, and kicked out foreign companies. The government is trying to print its way out of the crisis, resulting in a 700 percent annual inflation rate. After a sham election, President Nicolas Maduro, the handpicked successor of Hugo Chavez, is rounding up his opponents and putting them in jail.

    Despite this, Maduro and his predecessor still have their defenders, ranging from Sean Penn to Michael Moore to Naomi Klein, who once signed a petition saying “We would vote for Hugo Chavez” and praised the autocrat in 2007 for creating “a zone of relative economic calm and predictability.” In 2013, journalist David Sirota praised Hugo Chavez’ “economic miracle,” writing that the socialist leader had a “record that a legacy-obsessed American president could only dream of achieving.

    The real lesson of Venezuela’s tragic collapse is that real socialism always leads to economic breakdown and political repression. Those of us in wealthier, freer countries need to keep Venezuela in mind as we confront calls for more regulation and government control of all aspects of our own lives.

  69. cynical1

    “A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as Western women’.

    Of course they did.

    Everybody living in East Germany was well fucked.

  70. OldOzzie

    Paying The Price For Breakdown Of The Country’s Bourgeois Culture

    Too few Americans are qualified for the jobs available. Male working-age labor-force participation is at Depression-era lows. Opioid abuse is widespread. Homicidal violence plagues inner cities. Almost half of all children are born out of wedlock, and even more raised are by single mothers. Many college students lack basic skills, and high school students rank below those from two dozen other countries.

    The causes of these phenomena are multiple and complex, but implicated in these and other maladies is the breakdown of the country’s bourgeois culture.

    That culture laid out the script we all were supposed to follow: Get married before you have children and strive to stay married for their sake. Get the education you need for gainful employment, work hard, and avoid idleness. Go the extra mile for your employer or client. Be a patriot, ready to serve the country. Be neighborly, civic-minded, and charitable. Avoid coarse language in public. Be respectful of authority. Eschew substance abuse and crime. …

    Would the re-embrace of bourgeois norms by the ordinary Americans who have abandoned them significantly reduce society’s pathologies? There is every reason to believe so. Among those who currently follow the old precepts, regardless of their level of education or affluence, the homicide rate is tiny, opioid addiction is rare, and poverty rates are low. Those who live by the simple rules that most people used to accept may not end up rich or hold elite jobs, but their lives will go far better than they do now. All schools and neighborhoods would be much safer and more pleasant. More students from all walks of life would be educated for constructive employment and democratic participation.

    But restoring the hegemony of the bourgeois culture will require the arbiters of culture — the academics, media, and Hollywood — to relinquish multicultural grievance polemics and the preening pretense of defending the downtrodden. Instead of bashing the bourgeois culture, they should return to the 1950s posture of celebrating it.

    These basic cultural precepts reigned from the late 1940s to the mid-1960s. They could be followed by people of all backgrounds and abilities, especially when backed up by almost universal endorsement. Adherence was a major contributor to the productivity, educational gains, and social coherence of that period.

  71. rickw

    “A comparative sociological study of East and West Germans conducted after reunification in 1990 found that Eastern women had twice as many orgasms as Western women’.

    When you can’t afford to do anything, there’s always rooting.

  72. lotocoti

    A U boat returned to life.

    The Krauts managed to complete a hundred or so Electro-boats whilst under constant air attack.
    Using workers who were either liable for conscription as improvised battle groups or slave labourers held at the edge of extinction, in just three years.
    Meanwhile, South Australia might be able to manage one within the next twenty years.
    If the winds are fair.

  73. OldOzzie

    ACLU confirms that police were given stand-down order. This invited the violence the city used to shut down a court-permitted protest.Robert Barnes added,

    Clash between protesters and counter protesters. Police says “We’ll not intervene until given command to do so.”

    Berkeley, Charlottesville, and “Lesser” Weapons.

    The Berkeley protests/riots/battle/whatever was a little over half a year ago. Charlottesville is less than a day old. To be honest, I am a little bit freaked out as to what is happening to my country.

    Violent riots are sadly an American staple. Pick a decade there is probably one if not two (or ten). There are some differences here that concern me.

    If you watch any video from the riots, you will see people armed with a variety of weapons. Ironically, in the land of things that go bang that has not happened here . . . yet . . . let me repeat “yet”. There have been non-LE’s with guns – but so far those guns have remained silent. Thank God. But even if a bang has not gone off there has still been violence. Enter the idea of limited force.

    These confrontations are more like rumbles than a war. Collective duels if you will. Admittedly there is overlap of the two. This is the idea of “limited” war. Just like the U.S. did not want to bomb Chinese Air bases that sheltered Communist Vietnamese jets, so too neither side (and there are sides) wants to go bang yet . . . yet.

    Both sides are showing up armed. This stuff is planned way in advanced. So much so I would call that a “difference” the kind of which I alluded to earlier. Another difference is that I can honestly state that in all my years of existence I have never seen so many cops stand down when laws were being broken right in front of them. Forget just the hat – I will wear a tin foil suit for that claim.

    So Americans are going at it on our streets with clubs, pepper spray, shields (lots of those to the point of weird), and “yes” “knives”. Americans are “bearing arms” although if our founders could see this I am sure they would have a WTF moment.

    Cars too are being used as weapons, in this case leaving 1 dead and dozens wounded.

    I am having a WTF moment too. Am I alone? Is Eden burning or is it burnt?

    Historically, most wars smolder instead of blowing up. So far America is just smoldering. Am I being positive or cynical for being thankful for that?

  74. cynical1

    “[Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament”.

    She had better make sure she has divorced her first husband.

    The male one.

  75. Sydney City councillor Christine Forster… said legislation was needed to “protect people’s freedom to express their religious beliefs’’. But, she also said, “if same-sex marriage is legalised … then people have to accept that it is in law, how our country works

    1. Forster has to accept that if it:
    a. is not legalised that is the law, that’s how the country works.
    b. is legalised, the battle will continue and that traditional marriage supporters will work tirelessly until the law is reversed.

    PS Forster has to accept that reports indicating 117% of Australians support gay marriage are as reliable as those that indicated Brexit would fail and Hillary would win.

  76. OldOzzie

    Repost from yesterday from the Daily Telegraph since it was held in Moderation

    OldOzzie
    #2467337, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:54 pm
    Andrew Forrest says the Greens are the ‘party for paedophiles’ for not supporting the cashless debit card

    BILLIONAIRE Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest has labelled the Greens “the party for paedophiles” for failing to support a cashless debit card for welfare recipients.

    Mr Forrest has long supported such a card believing it would stop welfare payments being spent on drugs and alcohol. This week he travelled to Canberra to show Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten CCTV footage of unconscious children being assaulted.

    The Greens refused to attend the screening for reasons Mr Forrest dubbed “human rights horsesh*t”.

    “I have to hold the Greens accountable here; the Greens might as well be the party for paedophiles, the party for child sex abusers — you’re the party of human rights and you’ve forgotten the human rights of children, just call yourself the party for paedophiles,” he said, according to Fairfax Media. “While we play politics, Bill Shorten, Malcolm Turnbull, the cross benches, kids are dying and the instant someone plays politics, you literally consign another life to being molested, to being abused, to being kept from school, or worse, committing suicide.”

    “I’m asking the Prime Minister and the leader of the Opposition to put wedge politics aside and come out and strongly back the little children in vulnerable communities, because quite literally, while Australia dithers on this, children are dying,” he said. “I want the government to listen to the communities. Governments are flat out listening to everyone else from the community from academics, to green politicians to people who don’t go to these communities, don’t care about these communities, and reckon they’re an authority on them, whereas we should just give the cashless debit card to those communities who are begging for it.”

  77. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2467983, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:16 am
    Repost from yesterday from the Daily Telegraph since it was held in Moderation

    Yet again “Pourquoi”

  78. Senile Old Guy

    “[Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament”.

    If the Catholic faith does not support SSM (and I don’t think it does) then a Catholic priest should refuse to “marry” her and her partner.

    It is very, very clear that SSM advocates want to force people to act against their beliefs. We have seen it overseas and it is now happening here.

    I am agnostic and was inclined to be in favour of SSM but the last couple of weeks have shown that many of them wish to force their views on others. I will be voting “no”.

  79. OldOzzie

    Further from Andrew on the post above awaiting Moderation

    Greens value identity politics, not children, in Andrew Forrest’s philanthropy campaign

    THE Greens’ reaction to Andrew Forrest’s video of children being bashed shows how deadly stupid we’ve been made by identity politics.

    No wonder Forrest, the mining magnate, is so infuriated that he calls the Greens the “party of paedophiles”.

    His foundation has compiled CCTV footage of children in West Australian towns suffering depraved violence.

    One child, body limp, is lifted by the hair by a clearly drunk adult and dropped into a shopping trolley. Another, seemingly unconscious, is bashed and stomped on by a man. Children run wild in the streets at night and attack each other.

    FORREST: GREENS ARE ‘PARTY FOR PAEDOPHILES’

    And the video gives statistics of true horror. Outgoing Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan tells of one WA town where a third of the 500 children have been raped.

    The mayor of Port Hedland begs for help: “Drugs and alcohol are killing our town, turning adults into child rapists.”

    A mum urges: “We have to help to save the next generation.”

    There’s more such stuff, but check how the Greens respond.

    “The use of the term ‘war zones’ sounds like propaganda,” sniffed Greens Senator Rachel Siewert, who opposes Forrest’s plan for a cashless welfare card to stop welfare money going on booze and drugs.

    “I … have deep concerns for the Aboriginal people who are collectively painted in this light.”

    Oh, yes. These were Aboriginal children being raped, bashed and neglected, so the Greens’ concern switches from protecting children to protecting the image of a “race”.

    Consider how the Greens would react if these were children raped by Catholic priests. Would Siewert babble of her concern for the image of the church?

    Worse is the reaction of Curtin University’s indigenous research fellow, Dr Hannah McGlade, demanding more “respect of Aboriginal leadership”.

    “In the video, we see three powerful, white men tell us what needs to be done, and this is how we’re going to look after our children,” she said.

    McGlade studied Forrest’s video so lazily she failed to see that of the three people shown, only two are white men. The third is an Aboriginal woman.

    But note the deadly identity politics. What does it matter if it is a white man or a black woman who warns you children are being raped?

    How could the Greens and academics be more concerned with the colour of the experts than the wounds of the children?

  80. struth

    Good moaning.
    A beautiful morning in Darwin
    About to take a short flight in the cessna to Arnhem land.
    So while the rest of Australia deals with bleating victim groups instigated and pushed by cultural marxists I’ll go out to some of the most remote country in the world and have it shoved down my throat there as well.
    There is no escaping it.
    Fight.

  81. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
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    #2467983, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:16 am
    Repost from yesterday from the Daily Telegraph since it was held in Moderation

    OldOzzie
    #2467337, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:54 pm
    Andrew Forrest says the Greens are the ‘party for p******iles’ for not supporting the cashless debit card

    BILLIONAIRE Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest has labelled the Greens “the party for p******iles” for failing to support a cashless debit card for welfare recipients.

    Mr Forrest has long supported such a card believing it would stop welfare payments being spent on drugs and alcohol. This week he travelled to Canberra to show Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and Opposition Leader Bill Shorten CCTV footage of unconscious children being assaulted.

    The Greens refused to attend the screening for reasons Mr Forrest dubbed “human rights horsesh*t”.
    “I have to hold the Greens accountable here; the Greens might as well be the party for p******iles, the party for child sex abusers — you’re the party of human rights and you’ve forgotten the human rights of children, just call yourself the party for p*****es,” he said, according to Fairfax Media. “While we play politics, Bill Shorten, Malcolm Turnbull, the cross benches, kids are dying and the instant someone plays politics, you literally consign another life to being molested, to being abused, to being kept from school, or worse, committing suicide.”

    “I’m asking the Prime Minister and the leader of the Opposition to put wedge politics aside and come out and strongly back the little children in vulnerable communities, because quite literally, while Australia dithers on this, children are dying,” he said. “I want the government to listen to the communities. Governments are flat out listening to everyone else from the community from academics, to green politicians to people who don’t go to these communities, don’t care about these communities, and reckon they’re an authority on them, whereas we should just give the cashless debit card to those communities who are begging for it.”

  82. C.L.

    This is one of the happiest days of his life. After around 64 dead cops from te Kenyan’s favourite domestic terrorist org BLM, there has finally been a killing by the other side! He’s over the moon with delight that a woman is dead. Nothing could make him happier than hearing another woman has been shot, stabbed or run over.

    Yep. Obama would have come close to wetting his mom jeans when he heard the news.
    In Australia, meanwhile, supporters of fake marriage are desperate for just one homosexual to commit suicide for the cause.

  83. OldOzzie

    OldOzzie
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    #2467986, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:19 am
    Further from Andrew on the post above awaiting Moderation

    Greens value identity politics, not children, in Andrew Forrest’s philanthropy campaign


    THE Greens’ reaction to Andrew Forrest’s video of children being bashed shows how deadly stupid we’ve been made by identity politics.

    No wonder Forrest, the mining magnate, is so infuriated that he calls the Greens the “party of p*****iles”.

    His foundation has compiled CCTV footage of children in West Australian towns suffering depraved violence.

    One child, body limp, is lifted by the hair by a clearly drunk adult and dropped into a shopping trolley. Another, seemingly unconscious, is bashed and stomped on by a man. Children run wild in the streets at night and attack each other.

    FORREST: GREENS ARE ‘PARTY FOR P*****ILES’

    And the video gives statistics of true horror. Outgoing Police Commissioner Karl O’Callaghan tells of one WA town where a third of the 500 children have been raped.

    The mayor of Port Hedland begs for help: “Drugs and alcohol are killing our town, turning adults into child rapists.”

    A mum urges: “We have to help to save the next generation.”

    There’s more such stuff, but check how the Greens respond.

    “The use of the term ‘war zones’ sounds like propaganda,” sniffed Greens Senator Rachel Siewert, who opposes Forrest’s plan for a cashless welfare card to stop welfare money going on booze and drugs.

    “I … have deep concerns for the Aboriginal people who are collectively painted in this light.”

    Oh, yes. These were Aboriginal children being raped, bashed and neglected, so the Greens’ concern switches from protecting children to protecting the image of a “race”.

    Consider how the Greens would react if these were children raped by Catholic priests. Would Siewert babble of her concern for the image of the church?

    Worse is the reaction of Curtin University’s indigenous research fellow, Dr Hannah McGlade, demanding more “respect of Aboriginal leadership”.

    “In the video, we see three powerful, white men tell us what needs to be done, and this is how we’re going to look after our children,” she said.

    McGlade studied Forrest’s video so lazily she failed to see that of the three people shown, only two are white men. The third is an Aboriginal woman.

    But note the deadly identity politics. What does it matter if it is a white man or a black woman who warns you children are being raped?

    How could the Greens and academics be more concerned with the colour of the experts than the wounds of the children?

  84. Geriatric Mayfly

    One to watch. Breitbart calls it, ‘Moggmentum.’ Jacob Rees-Mogg is hovering, now that Mother Theresa is a seriously wounded entity. I have seen clips of Rees-Mogg on his hind legs in the Commons, and his oratory always captures ones’ attention. In such contrast to the drones here, who rise to their feet, mainly to score points and rarely utter anything with much forethought, let alone words worth remembering.

  85. Mother Lode

    If SSM is legalised it will only be legal – it will not bestow any of the cultural cachet that exists in traditional heterosexual unions.

    We will end up distinguishing the connotations of SSM and ‘real’ marriage.

    There will be a flurry of farcical ceremonies which will resemble real marriage in the same way a 5 year-old draws their favourite superhero.

    It is a characteristic of the left that they think doing something in law makes it so in society – and over time things become more common, but that does not make them respected.

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sydney City councillor Christine Forster… said legislation was needed to “protect people’s freedom to express their religious beliefs’’.

    About 2% of the population are same-sex and want SSM.
    About 2% of the population are muslim and want sharia.
    I suspect their wishes might not be entirely compatible.
    I wonder if Ms Forster would support the desires of muslim Australians to change the law?

    I’d contend the better answer is to remove marriage from Australian law and restrict the legislation to protection of civil unions of all varieties. That way religions are protected since you can hardly be taken to court for not performing a ceremony which doesn’t legally exist.

  87. OldOzzie

    OK the forbidden word is “Pa*****iles”

  88. Fergus

    ABC reports fewer girls are doing maths in high school. Does that mean more did it previously because they didn’t know at the time they were such big “victims”.

  89. notafan

    To get married in a Catholic Church again Forster would need an annulment as well as a divorce.

    Forster has clearly abandoned any pretense of following the teachings of Christ and wishes to remake the Church in her own image.

    The core ssmarriage constituency will not stop unti every vestige of opposition to recognising homosexuality as a different kind of normal is destroyed and all those who oppose them are gaoled or banished.

    There will be white weddings in Catholic Churches and there will be devout Catholic s with smiles and confetti.

    Or else.

    They do know, at some level that they are kidding themselves and ‘winning’ marriage won’t make an iota of difference.

    Then they’ll move on to something else to further destroy the remnants of our civilization.

  90. Anthony

    cynical1
    #2467976, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:00 am
    “[Christine Forster] told Sky News that if she and her partner Virginia ­Edwards wanted to be married by a Catholic priest, he would be entitled to refuse under the proposals being considered by parliament”.

    She had better make sure she has divorced her first husband.

    The male one.

    Catholic priests do not marry divorced people. It is against their rules. Fuck off Christine.

  91. Farmer Gez

    Seems everyone is tying themselves in knots over SSM and the consequences of changing the Marriage Act when the solution is simple. Get rid of the Act.
    People can then marry who they want, where they want and religions will be free to marry those who actually follow their particular teachings.
    I cannot imagine that this will not be the natural course of events as all the victim groups have a gang bang of hate on those who think marriage is about more than rights. Oh well.

  92. John64

    This week’s award for the most idiotic question by a journalist has already been won at 8:12am on Monday by Sabra Lane who on AM asked this of Mathias Cormann:

    “If the Government believes that the right way to resolve the issue of same sex marriage is to consult the people, shouldn’t it also consult the people before invoking the ANZUS treaty and committing to a war with North Korea?”

    Democracy

    TheirABC

    style – war by plebiscite.

  93. notafan

    Mother Lode

    That is precisely why they want marriage redefined 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👬👭👨‍❤️‍👨👩‍❤️‍👩👨‍👨‍👦👩‍👩‍👧‍👦👩‍👩‍👦‍👦
    It’s why my emojis now include so many new variation of family.

    They will flood our school s and kindergartens with their literature, curriculum will be rewritten, doubters will be scorned, Christian schools and charities forced to kowtow or lawfare.

    It will never stop.

  94. C.L.

    Phony Catholic Christopher Pyne joins phony Catholic Malcolm Turnbull pushing for fake marriage in The Australian, waving away concerns about religious liberty.

  95. C.L.

    Um, any time now, bishops …
    Pyne, Turnbull are openly mocking the faith and scandalising the faithful.
    They should be publicly excommunicated.

  96. Mother Lode

    Catholic priests do not marry divorced people.

    I do not doubt that she considers that the Church must go chasing after fleeting cultural trends to remain ‘relevant’.

    That is what they mean when they talk about the Church being relevant – “It should not cramp my style. It should not get in the way of me doing what I want. It should get past those millennia of tradition (who wants to be old-fashioned?) so I can do what I want and go to heaven!”

  97. Meanwhile, since the 1920s, our population has more than tripled to some 325 million. Using the figure of 100,000 white supremacists (not many of whom made it to Charlottesville fortunately), this puts the percentage of white supremacists in the U.S. at a puny 0.03%. Terrible people, yes, but no epidemic by any stretch of the imagination. By way of comparison, an estimated 3 billion pizzas are sold every year in the U.S. There’s an epidemic.

    Wow, PJ Media actually went there. They nuked the fridge. A lot of rhetorical chickens are coming home to roost for the right today. You lot still wail about the falling fridge meme, but now your side is using it to defend Nazis. Brazen.

  98. stackja

    Legendary football commentator Harry Beitzel dies, aged 90
    Herald Sun
    6 minutes ago

    LEGENDARY footy commentator Harry Beitzel has died, aged 90.

    The former VFL umpire was 3AW’s chief footy caller for 16 years and has been described as football’s “first multi-media superstar” by former Carlton champion and stats pioneer Ted Hopkins.

    He also covered sport for the ABC and 3AK, Channel 9 and wrote for the Herald Sun, The Truth, The Sunday Telegraph and The Australian.

    He was inducted into the Australian Football Hall of Fame in 2006.

    Beitzel was born in Fitzroy in 1927 and umpired his first VFL game in 1948 at the age of 21.

    He officiated in 182 games, including the 1955 Grand Final, before injuries ended his career and he turned to broadcasting.

    He passed away in Gosford yesterday afternoon.

  99. stackja

    Researchers who made pregnancy breakthrough are Aussies we can be truly proud of
    Rita Panahi, Herald Sun
    August 13, 2017 7:00pm
    Subscriber only
    YOU can dispense with the cumbersome, flawed and costly process to determine the next Australian of the Year.

    The only question is whether the recipient of the honour should be the entire team at the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute or just the team leader, Professor Sally Dunwoodie.

    The very least we could do for the brilliant men and women behind this breakthrough is to bestow upon them the honour of Australian of the Year.

    Rita Panahi is a Herald Sun columnist

  100. Snoopy

    It’s a pity the ACCC doesn’t have jurisdiction to prosecute false political advertising. We are told that marriage ‘equality is only about same sex marriage.

    But what about polygamy, polyamory, consanguineous marriage, child marriage, inter-species marriage, necro-marriage?

    And how is same sex marriage consistent with the reality of 26 genders, or however many there are now?

    We are being sold a pup. Demand real marriage equality, now!

  101. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    Carpe Jugulum @ 1:20am

    hahahaha…….you have brightened an otherwise miserable Monday morning (after another Collingwood loss)

  102. srr

    Don’t worry folks, when it’s no longer worth their while, we win 😉 ….

    Renegotiating U.S. Trade Exploitation Takes Center-Stage This Week…
    Posted on August 13, 2017 by sundance

    President Trump uses economic leverage as a national security policy; and to understand who opposes President Trump specifically because of the economic leverage he creates, it becomes important to understand the objectives of the global and financial elite who run and operate the institutions. The Big Club.

    Understanding how trillions of trade dollars influence geopolitical policy we begin to understand the three-decade global financial construct they seek to protect.

    That is: global financial exploitation of national markets:

    ♦Multinational corporations purchase controlling interests in various national elements of developed industrial western nations.
    ♦The Multinational Corporations making the purchases are underwritten by massive global financial institutions, multinational banks.

    ♦The Multinational Banks and the Multinational Corporations then utilize lobbying interests to manipulate the internal political policy of the targeted nation state(s).
    ♦With control over the targeted national industry or interest, the multinationals then leverage export of the national asset (exfiltration) through trade agreements structured to the benefit of lesser developed nation states – where they have previously established a proactive financial footprint.

    Against the backdrop of President Trump confronting China (tomorrow), and against the backdrop of NAFTA being renegotiated starting Wednesday, revisiting the economic influences within the import/export dynamic will help conceptualize the issues at the heart of the matter. There are a myriad of interests within each trade sector that make specific explanation very challenging; however, here’s the basic outline.

    For three decades economic “globalism” has advanced, quickly. Everyone accepts this statement, yet few actually stop to ask who and what are behind this – and why?

    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/13/renegotiating-u-s-trade-exploitation-takes-center-stage-this-week/

  103. Roger

    So far so good; the SSM crowd, totally lacking in self-awareness, are alienating the uncommitted.

    More airplay for Tim Minchin, I say! More!

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    Here you go M0nty.

    Trump condemns ‘white supremacists,’ other extremists behind deadly Virginia rallies

    President Trump specifically condemns “white supremacists” and other extremist groups as forces behind the deadly protests and counter-protests this weekend in Virginia, a White House spokesperson said Sunday.

    I condemn them too. On the other hand I dispute that many of them are of the right as the MSM describes them. The racist National Socialists (Nazis) used to fight the International Socialists (Communists) in the streets of Germany before WW2. This event seemed to be similar.

  105. stackja

    Same-sex marriage: Church warns of ‘same-sex coercion’ for schools
    Archbishop Anthony Fisher outside St Mary’s Cathedral in Sydney. Picture: Britta Campion
    JOE KELLY
    The Australian 12:00AM August 14, 2017

    The Catholic Archbishop of Sydney has launched an attack on the push to legalise same-sex marriage, warning that a failure to protect religious freedoms will ­expose many Australians and faith-based institutions to the risk of “harassment and coercion”.

    Archbishop Anthony Fisher has warned that religious schools, hospitals, charities and welfare agencies could be jeopardised by a Yes vote for same-sex marriage in the government’s postal ballot.

    Firing an opening shot in the church’s campaign, the archbishop has laid down battlelines for the No case by linking the ­redefinition of marriage to broader community concerns about ­issues such as the contentious Safe Schools program.

    In a statement to The Australian, Archbishop Fisher said the exercise of “free religion” would be curtailed and religious protections canvassed so far had applied only to ministers of religion and civil celebrants, a group representing only a “tiny proportion” of believers.

    “What protections will be ­offered to people who work for church-run institutions such as schools, hospitals and universities?” he said. “Will teachers be free to teach church teaching on marriage or will they be forced to teach a more politically correct curriculum?

    “Will employers of such church agencies be free to choose staff in sympathy with their church’s teachings? Will Catholic welfare agencies be required to provide marriage preparation or marriage counselling for same-sex couples on pain of being dragged before anti-discrimin­ation tribunals?”

  106. Mother Lode

    My thoughts too, nota.

    If SSM is legalised it won’t make it any less revolting. It will still be stuck with icky associations.

    Then the stories will begin to come out about how the kids are brought up. The p3dos, the messy divorces, and there will no doubt be a case where a 9 year old kid offers their teacher a blow job so they don’t get into trouble – because that is how they have learned you can get adults to like you.

    Mind you, the divorces will be very difficult for the judges – they have become accustomed to just awarding custody to the mother. Drug abuse, revolving door to her bedroom, doesn’t keep the kids washed or fed, hits them with electric cords – but she says that her husband touched one of the kids and PRESTO! instant custody. But if there are just two men they should both lose. Two women and they should both win.

    Pity the judges.

  107. pete m

    Catholic priests do marry divorced people, even without annulment. Not sure why people say otherwise. If not true I must have been in a different church / priest when my catholic divorcee was married to me.

    She had no choice in matter – unsure if that made a difference re divorce.

  108. Renegotiating U.S. Trade Exploitation Takes Center-Stage This Week

    Ah yes, because Trump is so successful at setting the agenda. Does everybody remember Infrastructure Week? Wasn’t that a roaring success.

  109. Roger

    Um, any time now, bishops …

    That crozier you parade about with, it symbolises your duty to protect your flock from wolves within and without it.

  110. Mike of Marion

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2467924, posted on August 14, 2017 at 1:20 am

    Did y’ telluh about being ‘well and truly rooted’ when talking about being fatigued and tired?

  111. notafan

    Dear Malmonty

    Please shut up

    Take your faux Nazi as pizza meme somewhere else.

    As long as you keep lovin’ on killing the innocent unborn, your opinions are worth squat.

    You are a pretentious, pompous, progressive, prat trying to be a philosopher.

    if you were half as you think you are you’d be twice as smart as you really are.

    Love Alfalfa.

  112. The religious are rather stubborn since their belief wade in the quicksand of being neither falsifiable nor provable. As we have seen recently they will reject their own senses if not in line with their beliefs.

    LOL, Zippy, give it up. You disappeared for at least a week following that discussion.

  113. Mother Lode

    Catholic priests do marry divorced people, even without annulment.

    Peter,

    Would that be the case where Catholics were married but not within the Church, so as far as the church is concerned it was adultery, requiring penance but not annulment.

    (I do not pretend to that well versed in such matters. I in fact ask because I am not.)

  114. srr

    The Deplorable Barking Toad
    #2468015, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:45 am

    Carpe Jugulum @ 1:20am

    hahahaha…….you have brightened an otherwise miserable Monday morning (after another Collingwood loss)

    Good on Carpe 🙂 … meanwhile, here, it’s a most beautiful, still, sunny morning, and it looks like Melbourne Storm are adding at least another minor Premiership to their outstanding record collection of records 😉 🙂

  115. notafan

    Pete m

    Are you claiming that a divorced but not annuled Catholic women was knowingly remarried by a Catholic priest in a Catholic Church?

    Divorce and remarriage

  116. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    The question is ….How? The only thing the ranga ever got right – tagging the Mincing Poodle – fuck he disgusts me…

    “Cabinet minister Christopher Pyne says religious freedoms would be adequately protected if same-sex marriage was legalised.

    Mr Pyne, a supporter of same-sex marriage, said if the Yes campaign was successful the government would ensure religious objections were protected in any legislation passed by the parliament.”

  117. notafan

    Mother Lode a baptised Catholic who married outside the church would still required to obtain an annulment.

  118. Riccardo rightly posted at 8:07 am that:

    PS Forster has to accept that reports indicating 117% of Australians support gay marriage are as reliable as those that indicated Brexit would fail and Hillary would win.

    It will be interesting to see if Turncoat, Pyne and their accomplices break a major promise eh?

  119. srr

    notafan
    #2468005, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:37 am

    Mother Lode

    That is precisely why they want marriage redefined 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩👬👭👨‍❤️‍👨👩‍❤️‍👩👨‍👨‍👦👩‍👩‍👧‍👦👩‍👩‍👦‍👦
    It’s why my emojis now include so many new variation of family.

    They will flood our school s and kindergartens with their literature, curriculum will be rewritten, doubters will be scorned, Christian schools and charities forced to kowtow or lawfare.

    It will never stop.

    Yes it will.

    God exists.

    They lose.

  120. Unbelievable. People on twitter openly denying the ACL was bombed:

    Craig Thomler‏ @craigthomler 39m39 minutes ago
    More
    Replying to @theordealofcons @LyleShelton
    The police are clear on this – was an attempted suicide by an ill man. Not a bombing & not targeted at ACL

  121. OldOzzie

    Ad industry won’t represent ‘no’ case – but did anyone ask them to?

    An ad industry campaign urging advertising types to pledge they won’t work on any “no” campaign on the gay marriage survey has been met with enthusiastic support from around 250 of Australia’s ad creatives and marketers. But if you thought it was odd for an industry that sells everything from fast food to online gambling to rule in or out working on one very specific topic of public controversy, well, you’re not alone.

    The whole thing has proved something of a boon to Tony Abbott and others who paint the vote as a referendum on free speech, as if ad creatives were B-grade lawyers in the court of public opinion. That’s doing the industry too much credit, we thought, but while they may disagree with this reasoning (and much else uttered by Abbott – everyone in advertising seems in favour of gay marriage), several ad types this column spoke to did view the whole thing in a rather cynical light.

    The “say no to no” campaign had of Sunday received pledges from staff at Cummins & Partners, The Royals, Clemenger BBDO, Ogilvy, Leo Burnett, BWM Dentsu, OMD, Town Square, M&C Saatchi, Y&R, UM, The Monkeys, and McCann.

    It’s being spearheaded by The Royals’ Nick Commins, who told Rear Window that the harm caused by the “no” campaign was what made this different to other causes. ”

    “The difference is the kind of messaging that political campaigns can often produce,” he said. “The ‘no’ campaign is likely to be questioning people’s lifestyle or inferring that they are lesser Australians than the rest of us. For me that’s a form of bullying.

    “People will feel attacked, vulnerable, anxious and depressed because of these messages questioning their way of life. For me, it’s a 10 [out of 10] on the bullying scale.”

    It’s not an argument everyone buys into. Nic Halley, the founder of digital agency Mindbox said the whole thing was “just rank hypocrisy”.

    “Nick Commins, he’s put a lot of work in over the years for this cause. He’s not just jumping on now.” Halley said. “But I look at some of the others signing this and think, like, really? … Some of the same people talking about this are working for agencies running gambling accounts … Gambling destroys families.”

    And anyway, it’s not like the “no” lobby on the gay marriage survey is cashed up. “The funds these individual ‘no vote’ groups, like [Australian Christian Lobby head] Lyle Shelton and the other flat-earthers come up with, are minuscule,” said Halley. “There’s no chance they’ll have enough money to go to a Saatchi or an Ogilvy – it’s just not gonna happen.

    “It’s a lot easier to do this than to go up against a gambling client spending $100 million a year.”

    Political campaigner Toby Ralph, a man who’s represented everything from the nuclear waste industry to tobacco companies, described the pledge as “virtue signalling”.

    “It’s like a Paramatta hooker sending out a press release announcing that she won’t marry into the Royal family because it’s anachronistic. Nobody proposed.

    “Principles are meaningless until they cost you a buck.”

  122. Roger

    Cabinet minister Christopher Pyne says religious freedoms would be adequately protected if same-sex marriage was legalised.

    That remains to be seen, along with the legislation.

    Do you trust the likes of Pyne?

    And any legislation would be tested, leading the High Court to weigh anti-discrimination laws against the Constitutional provision that religious freedom not be impinged.

    A survey of the limited number of relevant cases brought thus far does not give one confidence that the High Court would interpret Art. 116 as protecting the individual’s freedom of religion and conscience.

  123. notafan

    It will if we let them

  124. BrettW

    How is Pyne going to guarantee the passing of any legislation ensuring religious objections were protected ? Without knowing what the details of such legislation might be it is not possible to make an informed decision.

    It is like voting to support a Republic without actually knowing how the head of state will be chosen.

  125. Roger

    How is Pyne going to guarantee the passing of any legislation ensuring religious objections were protected ?

    He can’t; he’s either stupid or he’s deliberately misleading the public by saying so.

  126. H B Bear

    The question is ….How? The only thing the ranga ever got right – tagging the Mincing Poodle – fuck he disgusts me…

    Listening to that treacherous fairy gloating with his Photios stooges at the NSW Lieboral Party made me so angry. However it looks like he, Waffleworth and Brandis are going to deliver homo marriage by Christmas. The only time the Liberals can deliver is when they are destroying the party.

  127. BrettW

    Hopefully some religious types who support traditional marriage and run businesses with large advertising budgets start being more selective about which ad agencies they give their accounts to.

    Abbot is right to portray this as a freedom of speech and fight against PC issue.

  128. Okay, so far we have Cats blaming the following people for today’s murderous Nazi terrorism:
    – Obama
    – Soros
    – Alinsky
    – Police
    – Antifa

    Muttley, are denying Alinsky’s rules for radicals? It didn’t realise it’s existence was in question.

    What about Alinsky’s influence on Obama? Denial too? What about Soros? Funding dozens of NGOs that pay protesters and bus them in from interstate? How exactly is Antifa funded? Did the police block the road to cars or was it just incompetence?

    Here’s half a dozen rakes. I couldn’t be arsed counting all of them anymore.

    I still can’t figure out whether you’re in denial or just think denying things to us would fool anyone. You’re choice of wrongology. You decide!

  129. Andreas

    Wow, PJ Media actually went there. They nuked the fridge. A lot of rhetorical chickens are coming home to roost for the right today. You lot still wail about the falling fridge meme, but now your side is using it to defend Nazis. Brazen.

    The right isn’t a hive-mind, m0nty. But it’s true that only a tiny percent of white people hold to white supremacist ideaology, whereas every adherent to Islam is potentially violent due to the instructions in the Koran.

    In the early twentieth century the US had problems with immigrant Italian anarchists blowing people up, but the problem went away because anarchism eventually died out in the Italian community, whereas a percentage of Muslims will always be committed to attacking infidels because it’s part of the faith.

  130. OldOzzie

    Bruce Chapman’s HECS legacy shows power of economic ideas

    by The Australian Financial Review

    Bruce Chapman, who devised the Higher Education Contribution Scheme that financially underpins the massive expansion of university enrolments, is the winner of The Australian Financial Review Higher Education Lifetime Achievement Award for 2017. As former education minister John Dawkins writes today, Professor Chapman’s work answered a basic question the Hawke government grappled with in the late 1980s: how could the expansion of higher education be funded without reintroducing up-front tuition fees that poorer students could not afford? The answer was HECS, a subsidised income contingent loan, repaid once the graduate was in the workforce and earning above a threshold income. It was a powerful idea.

    Some complain that university used to be “free”. But this ignores basic economic concepts such as scarcity and opportunity cost. When university education was limited to the relative few, the taxes of ordinary working Australians subsidised the education of children of the mostly already well-off. Professor Chapman’s HECS system became a key brick in the foundation of Australia’s modern opportunity society. It removed the upfront financial barrier to a university education. But it still required students to shoulder some of the financial investment that would increase their lifetime earnings. And it allowed millions more Australians to get a university degree.

    Worryingly, just as the Financial Review is acknowledging this simple but powerful economic idea, economics is on the wane in our schools. New Reserve Bank of Australia research shows that the number of year 12 students studying economics has declined by 70 per cent since 1992. Alarmingly, the fall has been concentrated in girls as economics is replaced by less rigorous, but better branded, alternatives such as “business studies”. Separately, political populism is promoting harebrained ideas such as British Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s promise to abolish the British version of Professor Chapman’s income-contingent uni fees. But, as any first-year economics student should know, there is no such thing as a free lunch or university education.

  131. C.L.

    The police are clear on this – was an attempted suicide by an ill man. Not a bombing & not targeted at ACL

    Yeah, he made the largest vehicular bomb in Australian history and randomly parked outside the ACL headquarters solely to commit suicide.

    Nope. He was almost certainly a gay terrorist.

  132. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    This intervention excludes homosexuals from a prized social practice which harms nobody if they engage in it.

    Harms nobody? It harms those parents, mothers and fathers, who hold fast to the reality that they have different role models to offer to children, it harms them by the removal of the very terms used for a normal and biologically-modelled gendered parenting (Parent 1 and Parent 2, ffs), and most of all it harms little children. Gay marriage gives the official stamp of approval to raising children in families without a parent of both sexes. Gay marriage ‘normalises’ what is essentially a non-normal familial situation. That this happens already for a number of reasons (death of a parent, for example) is no reason at all to strongly encourage same-sex child-raising by identifying it in its entirety with mum and dad childrearing. There is always the ‘other’ third parent lingering in the mind of the likely gender-confused child raised by a same-sex couple. Not ideal, imho. Gay ‘marriage’ is not about wedding cakes and equal love, it is about removing biological procreation from the social sphere. Dystopian in the extreme.

  133. C.L.

    So far so good; the SSM crowd, totally lacking in self-awareness, are alienating the uncommitted. More airplay for Tim Minchin, I say! More!

    Indeed. Play it over and over again. I’d also like to see SS”M” advocates take to the streets.

    That crozier you parade about with, it symbolises your duty to protect your flock from wolves within and without it.

    And the red piping symbolises a willingness to suffer martyrdom for the faith.

  134. C.L.

    Report: Charlottesville killer imitated Democrat icon Marie Stopes:

    Accused Charlottesville killer wrote ‘lovefest’ to Hitler’s SS, teacher says.

    Stopes sent love poems to Adolf Hitler.

  135. As long as you keep lovin’ on killing the innocent unborn, your opinions are worth squat.

    That is a rather silly way to argue, nota. You don’t get a trump card to win every discussion like that.

    Unless your opponent is arguing for Nazism. Then you always win, because Nazis are losers.

  136. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    legislation ensuring religious objections were protected

    Too bad about other forms of objection though? I’m not religious, but I do object, based on the needs and requirements of children and a conservative desire not to ‘normalise’ familial forms that differ from those that have stood the test of time. I wouldn’t want to normalize single-parent families either, for the same reasons, and I point to the social harm that such normalizing has produced so far when the welfare system unquestioningly supports this familial model. What conservatives call the ‘natural’ family is worth maintaining as the predominant and favoured form, and you don’t have to be religious to see this as a verity. You certainly do not need to be bigoted against homosexuals or single parents to see marriage as a fine institution founded on biological reproduction and wanting it to remain that way.

  137. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    The Dravens, who married in a pagan ceremony in 2012, are believed to be Britain’s first entirely gender fluid family.  

    Real pagans and heathens would have put an axe through these two overeating numpties long ago.
    Paganism and heathenism were not very gender-diverse in practice.
    I hope they let their child progress normally through puberty so only is head is screwed, not his body.
    He may still have some hope of saving himself from his upbringing if he is left physically intact.

  138. Combine Dave

    Charlottesville fortunately), this puts the percentage of white supremacists in the U.S. at a puny 0.03%.

    Remember this next time somebody equates Islamists to nationalists.

    0.03% max (likely overstated) of Americans support white supremacy.

    Compare that to the 30% or Muslims who think that terrorism against civilians can be justified, at least some of the time.

  139. Stimpson J. Cat

    She will get over the Korea thing

    Just be thankful it’s not those Goddamned Mongorions.
    And make sure she’s not in a Christian cult.
    My son almost got force married in Korea.
    Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

  140. Riccardo, the whole letter is excellent but this stands out:

    I know we have a eunuch as PM and a bloated incompetent as Minister

  141. OldOzzie

    Barnaby Joyce says be may be a dual New Zealand citizen

    The Turnbull government faces fresh turmoil amid revelations Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce may be a dual New Zealand citizen and will be referred to the High Court.

    If he is found to be a dual citizen, he will be dismissed from Parliament and there will be a by-election in his NSW seat of New England, an uncomfortable prospect for a government with a one-seat majority.

    Mr Joyce dropped the bombshell in Parliament at 10am Monday.

    Immediately, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull wrote to Labor leader Bill Shorten asking him if he had any concerns about Labor MPs. If so, Mr Turnbull suggested they, too, be referred to the High Court, so there were no more surprises. He said the government would pay the court costs.

    “The Australian people must have confidence in our political system and resolving any uncertainty is vital,” he said.

    Mr Joyce said his father was born in New Zealand and came to Australia in 1947 as British subject.

    Mr Joyce said he was informed on Thursday night last week by the New Zealand High Commissioner Chris Seed that he was considered a New Zealand citizen by descent. This was preliminary advice which followed inquiries by the NZ Labour Party.

    Mr Joyce said he has advice from the solicitor-general he was on safe ground but requested he be referred to the High Court, acting as the Court of Disputed Returns, to clear up whether he was in breach of section 44 of the Constitution.

    Given the strength of this advice, he said would continue as a minister, National leader and Deputy Prime Minister until his fate was known. His referral follows that last week of four Senators – Larissa Waters, Scott Ludlam, of the Greens, One Nation’s Malcolm Roberts and the Nationals Matt Canavan.

    So far, those affected by section 44 have been senators but if Mr Joyce were to fall and Labor win the byelection, the government would be reduced to 75 MPs, exactly half the 150 in the lower house. It could appoint an independent speaker from the crossbench and still govern with a one-seat majority.

    Mr Joyce’s father was never a NZ citizen because NZ and Australian citizenship did not exist in 19747. He emigrated to Australia as a British subject but under NZ law, Mr Joyce’s father was automatically designated a citizen by descent.

    Unlike Senator Canavan, who was registered as an Italian citizen by his mother, Mr Joyce was never registered by anyone, nor did he make any moves to seek dual citizenship.

    “On the basis of the Solicitor-General’s advice, the Government is of the firm view that I would not be found to be disqualified by the operation of s. 44(i) of the Constitution from serving as the Member for New England,’ Mr Joyce said in a statement.

    “However, to provide clarification to this very important area of the law for this and future Parliaments, I have asked the Government to refer the matter, in accordance with s. 376 of the Commonwealth Electoral Act, to the High Court sitting as the Court of Disputed Returns.

    “Given the strength of the legal advice the Government has received, the Prime Minister has asked that I remain Deputy Prime Minister and continue my Ministerial duties.”

  142. johanna

    Farmer Gez
    #2468002, posted on August 14, 2017 at 8:34 am

    Seems everyone is tying themselves in knots over SSM and the consequences of changing the Marriage Act when the solution is simple. Get rid of the Act.
    People can then marry who they want, where they want and religions will be free to marry those who actually follow their particular teachings.
    I cannot imagine that this will not be the natural course of events as all the victim groups have a gang bang of hate on those who think marriage is about more than rights. Oh well.

    So you have no problem with imams marrying off nine year old girls then?

    Of course, having sex with a nine year old would still be illegal, but marrying them would be AOK.

    Get real.

  143. Combine Dave

    So you have no problem with imams marrying off nine year old girls then?

    Of course, having sex with a nine year old would still be illegal, but marrying them would be AOK.

    Get real.

    By letting in people and immans who are wiling to marry and marry off children our society has failed far more fully than a mere redefinition of marriage.

    The standard we walk past is the standard we accept and the Australian people have accepted and ignored far too much,

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