Open Forum: August 12, 2017

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  1. Stimpson J. Cat

    Google Emily Gorcenskis night from hell and watch the video kids.
    Watch the terrifying N$zis rampage.

  2. Makka

    Hilarious Stimpy. Lefty head explosions are the best comedy.

  3. DrBeauGan

    It’s nearly eight pm here and the temperature has fallen to 26°! It’s cold. I am outside smoking in the dark, listening to the surf. Google maps me at Mama’s Coral hotel.

    I don’t want to go home!😁

  4. OneWorldGovernment

    Top Ender
    #2467004, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:09 am

    Used those words about the infantry, last week Zulu, in a lecture in the Pacific cruise I was on.

    And then said the role of the air force and naval units was to support the infantry, as only they could close the enemy commander and get him to surrender, and thus the war would be over.

    Noting ZK2A’s brawl above. LOL.

    But appreciate what you commented Top E.

    If we don’t all work together then it is hopeless.

  5. OneWorldGovernment

    And when we do all work together it is extraordinary.

  6. Stimpson J. Cat

    What justifies state-imposed limits on the human rights to movement and free association?

    Does your house have a roof and windows and doors and locks?
    Why?
    Goddamn Hippies.

  7. OneWorldGovernment

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2467019, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:38 am

    What justifies state-imposed limits on the human rights to movement and free association?

    Does your house have a roof and windows and doors and locks?
    Why?
    Goddamn Hippies.

    Does 1986 buying pink bell bottom jeans to wear out in the NSW bush qualify me as a hippie?

  8. Stimpson J. Cat

    Does 1986 buying pink bell bottom jeans to wear out in the NSW bush qualify me as a hippie?

    It was to impress a woman.
    You know it and I know it.
    Allowance granted.
    Don’t do it again.

  9. Infidel Tiger

    Marriage equality opponents are trying everything to complicate this decision, but at its heart the question is simple: “Should all adults have the right to marry the person they love?”

    Damn straight, Lenore.

    I know 3 gay triplets who all love each other and wish to start a very close family unit. Only a bigot could object.

  10. IT, I’ve tweeted more or less the same set of questions.

  11. Infidel Tiger

    Not one single argument for SSM stands on its own when people argue for polygamy or consanguinous marriage.

    The fact is that a man and a woman marrrying each other form a complementary partnership, a more perfect union, something that two people of the same gender can never ever emulate no matter how much they love each other.

  12. That article perfectly encapsulates why the proponents of marriage redefinition are anti-plebiscite. They were always afraid of losing control of the debate and thereby allowing the full breadth of marriage redefinition being discussed. They also wanted it discussed in their terms, which a parliamentary vote would have easily allowed them to maintain. They now fear that their ability to maintain both the terms and field is diminishing by the day, but they will preserve were they can, editorially, in their particular fiefdoms.

  13. The fact is that a man and a woman marrrying each other form a complementary partnership, a more perfect union, something that two people of the same gender can never ever emulate no matter how much they love each other.

    To illustrate your point.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    I’ve always thought a vote will be won handsomely by the SSM advocates, but what they hate most of all is the debate.

    SSM is now seen by people like welfare is; “a human right”.

    Of all the time to be alive I had to be living now.

  15. I’ve always thought a vote will be won handsomely by the SSM advocates, but what they hate most of all is the debate.

    Next to Christians. They really hate Christians. They will tolerate Christians that support marriage redefinition, however, in a gimp-like way.

  16. OneWorldGovernment

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2467023, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:59 am

    Does 1986 buying pink bell bottom jeans to wear out in the NSW bush qualify me as a hippie?

    It was to impress a woman.
    You know it and I know it.
    Allowance granted.
    Don’t do it again.

    LOL.

    Stuffed it up again. 1968. Not 1986.

    It was merely a defiance thing.

    Should have seen my Father’s face when I showed him the jeans.

    Eyes nearly fell out of his head.

    Great old bloke though and I had the opportunity to hold his hand when he died back in about 1996.

  17. OneWorldGovernment

    here Johanna.

    probably played before but I still play it.

  18. Someone explain to me how Susie O’Brien has a gig writing opinion pieces anywhere. What is even more extraordinary is how pathetic the conservative foil in that exchange is. Could he not simply state that if female recruits are going to be as satisfactory as the male service members why do they need to yet again lower the physical requirements for entry in the armed services?

  19. Mark A

    “Nations who are unaware of their history are obliged to die out”
    Kamal Ataturk.

    Thought I mention it. No relevance to anything, just that I’m listening to Janissary music and this slogan was on the banner.

  20. Mark A

    re-post of my reply to Max from an other thread
    I think it’s appropriate.

    max
    #2465543, posted on August 11, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    but let us just note that despite a lack of democracy, there was no lack of freedom.

    Whatever gave you the idea that: democracy = freedom ?

  21. Next to Christians. They really hate Christians. They will tolerate Christians that support marriage redefinition, however, in a gimp-like way.

    Most definitely. Just look at how they are going ballistic over CBA, who is second in political correctness only to Google. All that arse licking for nought. I have absolutely no sympathy for them.

  22. Reported car attack on leftist supporters in Charlottesville. No reported deaths at this stage but many injuries.

    Leftists claiming it’s the work of nazis, but other reports of alt-right marchers being dispersed while Antifa and BLM allowed to continue while being given no alternative exit than to drive through crowd.

    Facts yet to surface, but you can bet your arse that the Left will escalate to destroy dissent and dox anyone who doesn’t toe the line. This is going to another level now, just like we all said.

  23. Beef

    Good news I hadn’t seen, great for calibrating. Some people unintentionally show you lacking. 1:35

    https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump/status/896360036640800768

  24. Mark A

    Beef
    #2467053, posted on August 13, 2017 at 5:33 am

    Good news I hadn’t seen, great for calibrating. Some people unintentionally show you lacking. 1:35

    https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump/status/896360036640800768

    Was going to post that link while Bird was around, but then I thought, what’s the point?

    BTW did you really mean calibrating?

  25. srr

    The Beer Whisperer
    #2467052, posted on August 13, 2017 at 5:29 am
    Reported car attack on leftist supporters in Charlottesville. No reported deaths at this stage but many injuries.

    Leftists claiming it’s the work of nazis, but other reports of alt-right marchers being dispersed while Antifa and BLM allowed to continue while being given no alternative exit than to drive through crowd.

    Facts yet to surface, but you can bet your arse that the Left will escalate to destroy dissent and dox anyone who doesn’t toe the line. This is going to another level now, just like we all said.

    One Dead.

    19 Injured.

    White driver arrested.

    0HOUR1 best thread to follow –

    https://twitter.com/__0HOUR1_

  26. srr

    Still live, you can scroll back to a number of videos –

    BREAKING NEWS: Car Rams Into Crowd During Protests at “Unite the Right” Rally- Charlottesville, VA
    Right Side Broadcasting Network

  27. srr

    The Rebel‏Verified account @TheRebelTV 15m15 minutes ago

    RAW: Car mows down Antifa, #BLM at Unite The Right #Charlottesville:
    @FaithGoldy reports from scene
    https://www.therebel.media/raw_car_mows_down_antifa_blm_at_unite_the_right_charlottesville … | #MAGA #tcot

  28. Mark A

    The Beer Whisperer
    #2467052, posted on August 13, 2017 at 5:29 am

    Stupidity is not restricted to the left.

  29. OldOzzie

    You Have to be Googly

    Googly. Yes, it’s a word, at least within Google. It’s an adjective describing someone who has the appropriate characteristics of a Google employee.

    How do I know this? Because the last time I went through the Google recruitment mill, I got up to the point where we were discussing a trip to Mountain View for in-person interviews, when they let me know that one of the in-person interviews was to determine if I were “Googly”.

    James Damore was just fired for being insufficiently Googly. He rejected Google’s internal mythology, and worse, he did so with basic math, in a company where mathiness is supposed to be part of the culture.

    He also rejected a piece of the general mythology so firmly that what he said was actively misreported, misreported so blatantly that one has to conclude the reporters either can’t read the hard parts of the memo, didn’t bother to read the memo, or somehow managed to see things that weren’t there. (That last is my guess, based on the examples of Trump Trance we’ve seen over the last six months.)

  30. srr

    Google has removed the full video of the Veteran’s Affairs Choice announcement he was set to make when this news broke from my history and search results, so here’s just the Charlottesville statement –

    President Trump’s Powerful Statement on Charlottesville 8/12/17
    Based Patriot

  31. OldOzzie

    Trump Condemns Riots in Charlottesville: ‘Swift Restoration of Law and Order’ Is Vital

    President Trump denounced the riots in Charlottesville, Va., Saturday afternoon saying, “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides…many sides.”

    “We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together,” the president said in remarks before signing the Veterans Affairs Act in Bedminster, New Jersey.

    “What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives,” Trump said. “No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society.”

    “No matter our color, creed, religion, or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country, we love our God, we love our flag, we’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are,” said the president.

    “We want to get the situation straightened out” he declared, adding that it’s important to “study it” to determine “what we’re doing wrong as a country.”

    He went on to tick off a list of his accomplishments since becoming president and added, “My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another.”

  32. stackja

    James Damore Was Right: The Inconvenient Truth Behind The Google Memo

    Was Damore right? Evolutionary psychology professor Geoffrey Miller (whose work I’ve read and enjoyed previously) says that he was spot-on.

    For what it’s worth, I think that almost all of the Google memo’s empirical claims are scientifically accurate. Moreover, they are stated quite carefully and dispassionately. Its key claims about sex differences are especially well-supported by large volumes of research across species, cultures, and history. I know a little about sex differences research. On the topic of evolution and human sexuality, I’ve taught for 28 years, written 4 books and over 100 academic publications, given 190 talks, reviewed papers for over 50 journals, and mentored 11 Ph.D. students. Whoever the memo’s author is, he has obviously read a fair amount about these topics. Graded fairly, his memo would get at least an A- in any masters’ level psychology course. It is consistent with the scientific state of the art on sex differences.

    Want some real-world evidence? Well, in our overwhelmingly liberal college system, 57% of college students are female. Additionally, women outnumber men in grad school by a 136 to 100 ratio. Of course, if those numbers were reversed and male students made up 57% of college students, it would be considered a national crisis. But who cares as long as men are the ones getting the short end of the stick, right?

    In any case, our college system is liberal. It pushes “diversity” and “girl power” non-stop. There are more women than men going to college. The percentages skew even more in women’s favor when you’re talking about grad school. Yet, 67% of the math degrees and 75% of the engineering doctoral degrees go to men. Meanwhile, women dominate fields like education, public administration and social sciences. Ever note that it’s not a crisis that most teachers are female? That’s curious, isn’t it? Especially since boys tend to be doing worse than girls in our education system. In any case, if women are CHOOSING not to get math and engineering degrees, is it any shock that men dominate tech companies like Google? A women’s studies degree may help you get “woke,” but it doesn’t prepare you to code for a firm in Silicon Valley.

    Are women less capable of doing tech on a high level? That’s entirely possible, especially when you consider IQ differences. Keep in mind that although men and women have equivalent IQs and there are certainly many female geniuses, female intelligence tends to be closer to the average intelligence while male intelligence tends to be much more variable. Put another way, there are more dumb men than dumb women, but male geniuses also outnumber female geniuses 7-to-1. So when you’re talking about a highly competitive, highly intellectual field, men are typically going to outstrip women in numbers almost by default. That doesn’t make men better or women worse; it just makes us different.

  33. stackja

    Then They Came For Ben & Jerry’s

    Why would the left turn on Ben & Jerry’s in this way? Because a bigger lobby – in this case the Organic Consumers Association – wants it this way. For years, the organization has tried to pressure Ben & Jerry’s to “stop greenwashing” itself and “go organic.” Ben & Jerry’s already doesn’t use genetically modified plant ingredients in its products, but that is not enough.

  34. Herodotus

    Migrants sans frontieres suspends its taxi service across the mediterranean after being warned off by Libya.

    Link to Breitbart.

  35. John Constantine

    Castro-care in Venezuela

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article129125864.html

    The Cubans get paid on the paperwork, not on actual patient based outcomes.

    Stalinism and regulation and compliance, how could it go wrong.

  36. OldOzzie

    Why we fell for clean eatinghttp://www.msn.com/en-gb/foodanddrink/news/why-we-fell-for-clean-eating/ar-AApR40b

    In the spring of 2014, Jordan Younger noticed that her hair was falling out in clumps. “Not cool” was her reaction. At the time, Younger, 23, believed herself to be eating the healthiest of all possible diets. She was a “gluten-free, sugar-free, oil-free, grain-free, legume-free, plant-based raw vegan”. As The Blonde Vegan, Younger was a “wellness” blogger in New York City, one of thousands on Instagram (where she had 70,000 followers) rallying under the hashtag #eatclean. Although she had no qualifications as a nutritionist, Younger had sold more than 40,000 copies of her own $25, five-day “cleanse” programme – a formula for an all-raw, plant-based diet majoring on green juice.

    But the “clean” diet that Younger was selling as the route to health was making its creator sick. Far from being super-healthy, she was suffering from a serious eating disorder: orthorexia, an obsession with consuming only foods that are pure and perfect. Younger’s raw vegan diet had caused her periods to stop and given her skin an orange tinge from all the sweet potato and carrots she consumed (the only carbohydrates she permitted herself). Eventually, she sought psychological help, and began to slowly widen the repertoire of foods she would allow herself to eat, starting with fish. She recognised that the problem was not her veganism, per se, but the particularly rigid and restrictive diet regime she had imposed on herself.

    As Younger slowly recovered from her eating disorder, she faced a new dilemma. “What would people think”, she agonised, “if they knew the Blonde Vegan was eating fish?” She levelled with her followers in a blogpost entitled Why I’m Transitioning Away from Veganism. Within hours of announcing her new diet, Younger was receiving irate messages from vegans demanding money back from the cleanse programmes and T-shirts they had bought from her site (featuring slogans such as “OH KALE YES”).

  37. srr

    Here’s a shorter, laggy one, the original still MIA – Google must hate that Trump is a President who can walk and chew gum at the same time, and cares to speak against violence intended to divide the country, and give his fellow Americans real reasons to see, believe in and work for a peaceful, prosperous united America – unlike Obama and Co. who always used these acts of violence to stir up more violence 👿 –

    President Trump Press Conference on Charlottesville Rally & Signs the Veteran’s Affairs Choice 2017
    current events 24/7

  38. Tel

    James Damore was just fired for being insufficiently Googly. He rejected Google’s internal mythology, and worse, he did so with basic math, in a company where mathiness is supposed to be part of the culture.

    This is why truck drivers should not be in a panic about Google’s self-driving car research.

    When they can make a phone that goes a year without crashing, and they can make a browser that goes a year without crashing… only then would I trust their kit behind the wheel of a truck.

  39. John Constantine

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/03/23/in-venezuelas-toxic-brew-failed-narco-state-meets-iran-backed-terrorism/

    Their Venezuela, so loved by australias leftists.

    Their Australian left support a narco-state that traffics cocaine into the United States, that sells its passports to Iranian backed terrorists, that backs counterfeiting American currency.

    Venezuelan government is the political wing of the drug and organised crime cartels, and their julie bishop beams as she signs Australias proles into submission to international conventions drafted and backed by an actual narco-state.

    Whatever works for the revolution, Comrades.

  40. Tel

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/08/11/dawkins-muslims-arent-being-oppressed-by-critics-muslims-are-oppressed-by-islam/

    I will give Dawkins some credit, at least he firmly believes in nothing. He’s not a hypocrite. He will be obnoxious to both Christians and also Muslims.

    Unlike Tim Minchin who is a total hypocrite and who just goes after the Christians.

  41. OldOzzie

    The Real Story Of That Lynch-Clinton Tarmac Meeting Gets Even Stranger

    When we last checked in on newly released information regarding that infamous tarmac meeting between then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton, we learned that the media wasn’t terribly interested in discussing the matter any more than absolutely necessary. But as reporters continue to dig through the trove of Justice Department emails obtained by the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, we find out that there were some people who were very interested in talking. The people in question would be Lynch’s staff and they were having a flurry of discussions with none other than the folks at James Comey’s office.

    You’ll recall that all of this was taking place only days before Comey would hold his bizarre press conference where essentially cleared Hillary Clinton of any criminal wrongdoing in the private email server scandal. (Only to famously reopen the investigation later.) So if it was really just a casual, chance meeting to discuss grandchildren and golf, why would the Attorney General’s office be sending out a flurry of messages to the FBI Director’s office? It turns out that one of Lynch’s own attorneys was editing talking points for the White House in terms of how to address questions from the press and another of her people was sending talking points to the FBI. The Washington Free Beacon once again has the details. (Emphasis added)

    One of former Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s top lawyers at the Justice Department helped edit Obama administration press statements about the infamous meeting between Lynch and Bill Clinton on a tarmac last summer.

    The same attorney, Paige Herwig, is now the deputy general counsel for Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee. That panel is now investigating whether Lynch played any role in trying to influence the scope or intensity of the FBI’s investigation into the Hillary Clinton email scandal…

    [O]n June 29, 2016, two days after the Clinton-Lynch meeting when the national news media was first learning of the tarmac one-on-one, Melanie Newman, the then-director of public affairs at the Justice Department, emailed her FBI counterpart to “flag” the media stories about the tarmac meeting that she noted were “gaining traction tonight.”

    Newman included a transcript of a question Lynch answered about the meeting the following day, as well as Justice Department talking points on the topic, which are redacted in the emails.

  42. John Constantine

    She was a twenty-three year old “gluten-free, sugar-free, oil-free, grain-free, legume-free, plant-based raw vegan”.

    These are the people drawn to occupy positions of power in australias agricultural secret police divisions.

    50% wymynsys means they can’t be weeded out.

    Why do all australias agricultural organisations spin out of control left?. fifty percent radical twenty-three year old arts degree vegynsys femynsys in the office will do that.

    Seeing a carload of these new secret paramilitary political correctness commandos drive through your farmgate, with the power to bankrupt you on whim is a stark slap in the face that proves what australia has become.

    Unwarranted unannounced entry to inspect your firearms.

    Right of unannounced entry to inspect your chemical storage and spray application workdiary.

    You can deny them the right of entry to inspect your livestock integrity, but they respond by banning you selling those livestock.

    Back before individual electronic eartag identification of each animal, the owner could work around the Stalinist system and sell the stock on his brothers, or neighbors or mates account.
    Not now, every animal is registered and controlled by the State.

    Heil Stalin and all his orcs, Comrades.

  43. OldOzzie

    WSJ – Why I Was Fired by Google

    James Damore says his good-faith effort to discuss differences between men and women in tech couldn’t be tolerated in the company’s ‘ideological echo chamber’

    By James Damore
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:54 p.m. ET
    3345 COMMENTS
    I was fired by Google this past Monday for a document that I wrote and circulated internally raising questions about cultural taboos and how they cloud our thinking about gender diversity at the company and in the wider tech sector. I suggested that at least some of the male-female disparity in tech could be attributed to biological differences (and, yes, I said that bias against women was a factor too). Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai declared that portions of my statement violated the company’s code of conduct and “cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.”

    My 10-page document set out what I considered a reasoned, well-researched, good-faith argument, but as I wrote, the viewpoint I was putting forward is generally suppressed at Google because of the company’s “ideological echo chamber.” My firing neatly confirms that point. How did Google, the company that hires the smartest people in the world, become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument?

    We all have moral preferences and beliefs about how the world is and should be. Having these views challenged can be painful, so we tend to avoid people with differing values and to associate with those who share our values. This self-segregation has become much more potent in recent decades. We are more mobile and can sort ourselves into different communities; we wait longer to find and choose just the right mate; and we spend much of our time in a digital world personalized to fit our views.

    Google is a particularly intense echo chamber because it is in the middle of Silicon Valley and is so life-encompassing as a place to work. With free food, internal meme boards and weekly companywide meetings, Google becomes a huge part of its employees’ lives. Some even live on campus. For many, including myself, working at Google is a major part of their identity, almost like a cult with its own leaders and saints, all believed to righteously uphold the sacred motto of “Don’t be evil.”

    Echo chambers maintain themselves by creating a shared spirit and keeping discussion confined within certain limits. As Noam Chomsky once observed, “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

    But echo chambers also have to guard against dissent and opposition. Whether it’s in our homes, online or in our workplaces, a consensus is maintained by shaming people into conformity or excommunicating them if they persist in violating taboos. Public shaming serves not only to display the virtue of those doing the shaming but also warns others that the same punishment awaits them if they don’t conform.

    In my document, I committed heresy against the Google creed by stating that not all disparities between men and women that we see in the world are the result of discriminatory treatment. When I first circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups and individuals at Google, there was no outcry or charge of misogyny. I engaged in reasoned discussion with some of my peers on these issues, but mostly I was ignored.

    Everything changed when the document went viral within the company and the wider tech world. Those most zealously committed to the diversity creed—that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and all people are inherently the same—could not let this public offense go unpunished. They sent angry emails to Google’s human-resources department and everyone up my management chain, demanding censorship, retaliation and atonement.

    Upper management tried to placate this surge of outrage by shaming me and misrepresenting my document, but they couldn’t really do otherwise: The mob would have set upon anyone who openly agreed with me or even tolerated my views. When the whole episode finally became a giant media controversy, thanks to external leaks, Google had to solve the problem caused by my supposedly sexist, anti-diversity manifesto, and the whole company came under heated and sometimes threatening scrutiny.

    It saddens me to leave Google and to see the company silence open and honest discussion. If Google continues to ignore the very real issues raised by its diversity policies and corporate culture, it will be walking blind into the future—unable to meet the needs of its remarkable employees and sure to disappoint its billions of users.

    —Mr. Damore worked as a software engineer at Google’s Mountain View campus from 2013 until this past week.

    Appeared in the August 12, 2017, print edition as ‘Why I Was Fired By Google.’

  44. OldOzzie

    Beyond Bluster, U.S., North Korea in Regular Contact

    By Matthew Pennington
    August 11, 2017
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Beyond the bluster, the Trump administration has been quietly engaged in back channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, addressing Americans imprisoned in the communist country and deteriorating relations between the long-time foes, The Associated Press has learned.

    It had been known the two sides had discussions to secure the June release of an American university student. But it wasn’t known until now that the contacts have continued, or that they have broached matters other than U.S. detainees.

    People familiar with the contacts say the interactions have done nothing thus far to quell tensions over North Korea’s nuclear weapons and missile advances, which are now fueling fears of military confrontation. But they say the behind-the-scenes discussions could still be a foundation for more serious negotiation, including on North Korea’s nuclear weapons, should President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un put aside the bellicose rhetoric of recent days and endorse a dialogue.

    The contacts are occurring regularly between Joseph Yun, the U.S. envoy for North Korea policy, and Pak Song Il, a senior North Korean diplomat at the country’s U.N. mission, according to U.S. officials and others briefed on the process. They weren’t authorized to discuss the confidential exchanges and spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Officials call it the “New York channel.” Yun is the only U.S. diplomat in contact with any North Korean counterpart. The communications largely serve as a way to exchange messages, allowing Washington and Pyongyang to relay information.

    Drowned out by the furor over Trump’s warning to North Korea of “fire and fury like the world has never seen,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has expressed a willingness to entertain negotiations. His condition: Pyongyang stopping tests of missiles that can now potentially reach the U.S. mainland.

    Tillerson has even hinted at an ongoing back channel. “We have other means of communication open to them, to certainly hear from them if they have a desire to want to talk,” he said at an Asian security meeting in the Philippines this week.

    The interactions could point to a level of pragmatism in the Trump administration’s approach to the North Korean threat, despite the president’s dire warnings.

    On Friday, he tweeted: “Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely.” But on Thursday, he said, “we’ll always consider negotiations,” even if they haven’t worked in the last quarter-century.

    The contacts suggest Pyongyang, too, may be open to a negotiation even as it talks of launching missiles near the U.S. territory of Guam. The North regularly threatens nuclear strikes on the United States and its allies.

    The State Department didn’t immediately comment on Yun’s diplomacy. The White House also had no comment. A diplomat at North Korea’s U.N. mission only confirmed use of diplomatic channel up to the release of U.S. college student Otto Warmbier two months ago.

    Trump, in some ways, has been more flexible in his approach to North Korea than President Barack Obama. While variations of the New York channel have been used on-and-off for years by past administrations, there were no discussions over the last seven months of Obama’s presidency after Pyongyang broke them off in anger over U.S. sanctions imposed on its leader, Kim. Obama made little effort to reopen lines of communication.

    The contacts quickly restarted after Trump’s inauguration, other people familiar with the discussions say.

    “Contrary to the public vitriol of the moment, the North Koreans were willing to reopen the New York channel following the election of President Trump and his administration signaled an openness to engage and ‘talk about talks,'” said Keith Luse, executive director of the National Committee on North Korea, a U.S.-based group that promotes U.S.-North Korean engagement.

    “However, the massive trust deficit in Pyongyang and in Washington toward each other has impeded the confidence-building process necessary to have constructive dialogue,” he said.

    The whole article at the link is worth a read

  45. Beef

    Mark A,
    Something you see that is a blind spot to me!, Illiciting a response that is unintended but very aware of. Previous post few days ago, same reaction from OCO, I’m not using clarity from mind to written. doh

    Uncanilly part of my personal perspectives under exam for a long time. Life bombs and deliberate actions I take seriously for myself.. really I should thank you both in all sincerity.

  46. OldOzzie

    WSJ – Unmasking Samantha Power
    We still don’t know why Obama officials needed to know the names of so many Trump officials.

    By The Editorial Board
    Aug. 11, 2017
    6:54 p.m. ET

    504 COMMENTS

    Of all the Russia storms raging around Donald Trump —the Christopher Steele dossier, the email to Don Jr. promising dirt on Hillary Clinton —there is still only one clear felony we know about: the leaking of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s name after someone had identified him from a classified intelligence report. Funny how this is a scandal no one seems interested in.

    Well, almost no one. The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Devin Nunes, recently sent a letter to the Director of National Intelligence with some startling information. The committee has learned that “one official, whose position had no apparent intelligence-related function, made hundreds of unmasking requests during the final year of the Obama administration.”

    Unmasking is simply an official requesting the identity of an American whose name has been redacted from an intelligence report. There is nothing inherently wrong with unmasking, and law enforcement, intelligence operatives and policy makers can have a legitimate need to know who these Americans are.

    But protecting the privacy rights of American citizens as well as not revealing which foreigners U.S. intelligence is targeting is also crucial, which is why U.S. government officials are supposed to give good and specific reason for seeking the identity of a redacted American. Yet in all but one of the requests for names from top-level Obama officials, Mr. Nunes writes, the language was “boilerplate” and did not specify why the official needed to know the names.

    The House committee has not identified the Trump people who were unmasked. Nor has it identified the “one official” who made those hundreds of requests. But it’s pretty obvious this was Samantha Power, Barack Obama’s ambassador to the United Nations. In May the House Intelligence Committee subpoenaed the unmasking requests from Ms. Power, former CIA director John Brennan and former National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

    Ms. Power is the only one of those three whose job had no clear intelligence-related function. The plot got even thicker when the committee asked for the same unmasking records for Ben Rhodes. He was the hyper-political Obama Deputy National Security Adviser who last year gleefully boasted to the New York Times how he’d manipulated reporters to sell Mr. Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran.

    In Washington, this is one story most people want to dismiss. During a recent interview report, for example, Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr told CNN “the unmasking thing was all created by Devin Nunes.”

    Mr. Burr’s comment came before Mr. Nunes released his letter revealing the hundreds of requests from a single Obama official. A spokeswoman for Mr. Burr says her boss’s comments have been misinterpreted by the press. She further noted that in the CNN interview he had also said the names of some unmasked people had improperly became public and his committee intends to get to the bottom of it.

    That’s more than Democrats are doing. When Mr. Nunes first raised the issue, he was accused of leaking classified information, and activist groups including MoveOn.org filed complaints with the House Ethics Committee. But rather than resolve what are plainly politically motivated complaints, it looks like Democrats on the committee are more interested in keeping a cloud hanging over Mr. Nunes as a way of keeping a cloud over the investigation.

    Some are now calling for all the unmasking information to be declassified so we can know whose names were unmasked and who asked for those names. But there may still be good reasons not to do so, out of respect for the privacy rights of those unfairly unmasked, and to avoid making public any details about intelligence operations that might tip off foreigners being watched.

    Americans certainly need to find out anything Vladimir Putin did to interfere in the presidential election. But if high-level members of the Obama Administration were abusing intelligence to spy on Trump people during that same campaign, the American people deserve answers on that too.

  47. OldOzzie

    John Constantine
    #2467066, posted on August 13, 2017 at 6:56 am
    Castro-care in Venezuela

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article129125864.html

    The Cubans get paid on the paperwork, not on actual patient based outcomes.

    Stalinism and regulation and compliance, how could it go wrong

    Thanks John

    fascinating article and further evidence that Socialism Destroys

  48. srr

    Earlier in Charlotteville …

    The Rebel Retweeted
    ☩ Faith J Goldy
    🇨🇦‏Verified account @FaithGoldy 5h5 hours ago

    Rocks being thrown at #unitetheright
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djGXLwPwoPGZ

    … then, it happened live during her next periscope …

    The Rebel Retweeted
    ☩ Faith J Goldy
    🇨🇦‏Verified account @FaithGoldy 4h4 hours ago

    #Charlottesville DOUBLE STANDARD: antifa allowed to march!!!
    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1yNGamRYYAgGj

  49. rickw

    When they can make a phone that goes a year without crashing, and they can make a browser that goes a year without crashing… only then would I trust their kit behind the wheel of a truck.

    I think the standard needs to be even higher than that, the Fanuc OTA on my Colchester 3000L has been working since 1986 and appears to not have crashed once, and certainly hasn’t had one since I have owned it (almost 10 years).

    There is a vast gulf between industrial control system design and programming and even the best of what these wankers produce.

  50. rickw

    “No matter our color, creed, religion, or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country, we love our God, we love our flag, we’re proud of our country. We’re proud of who we are,”

    OMG!

    Terrible, racist, awful, monoculturalism!

    Someone get munty the smelling salts!

  51. Senile Old Guy

    That article perfectly encapsulates why the proponents of marriage redefinition are anti-plebiscite. They were always afraid of losing control of the debate and thereby allowing the full breadth of marriage redefinition being discussed. They also wanted it discussed in their terms, which a parliamentary vote would have easily allowed them to maintain.

    Well said.

    Lenore Taylor at The Guardian:

    As we start this unnecessary, voluntary, snail mail survey-thingie, the “no” case is loudly demanding the media run “both sides” of the question. That makes it critical to precisely define the “question” itself. Because running both sides of the actual question is not the same as running “both sides” of all the other spurious “questions” the anti-equality case is setting up as obfuscations.

    Taylor is arguing “yes” to SSM but she also gives herself the right to determine what arguments the “no” cause is allowed to put and which are “spurious” “obfuscations”.

    So here, at the get-go, is a list of the arguments this is not about, and to which Guardian Australia will definitely not be giving “equal time” or attention.

    These are arguments you are not allowed to use. This is typical shut-eyes and fingers-in-ears, “I do not see or hear” stuff.

    Here is one of the arguments you are not allowed to make.

    It is also not about a “stolen generation” of children, or any other claim that children of same-sex couples are disadvantaged. The argument is offensive, particularly to gay parents, as articulated in the Senate this week by Penny Wong, incredulous at the suggestion the survey could become a “unifying moment” while people were saying such things.

    It does not matter whether this claim is correct or false, it is “offensive, particularly to gay parents” so cannot be made. (Of course, similar things were argued about indigenous children and we know how that worked out; very poorly for many of the children.)

    But quite obviously “political correctness” does not apply – even if we were clear about what it meant – because we already know (from actual, properly weighted, surveys) that the overwhelming majority of Australians want marriage equality and that it is the elites, in this case some churches and a determined group of politicians like Abbott, who are resisting.

    Well, no we don’t know that. The “actual, properly weighted, surveys” are telephone polls of people who agree to respond. And, far from an “overwhelming majority”, some have support at 55 to 45. And resistance is not just from “elites” because 40 to 45% of Australians are not elites.

    She quotes Abbott’s former speech writer:

    “The institution of marriage affirms us as people; gives standing to our most significant relationship; and changes our families for the better. It is an institution that points to a better life and helps us answer the deepest question: can I selflessly love another and find meaning and purpose in that love? This is a conservative ideal,” he writes.

    Conspicuously missing is the word “children” which most people associate with marriage.

    Taylor:

    This discussion is, to some extent, about where to draw the line between religious freedoms and freedom from discrimination, and this will be central to the “no” campaign. But draft legislation and private members’ bills have already provided exemptions for religious institutions and, in some cases, civil celebrants.

    The “in some cases” is very comforting, not. But what about others involved in marriage: they are not mentioned. My bad: they are.

    I can’t see any justification for further stretching the anti-discrimination provisions from religiously-affiliated institutions to everyday service providers or businesses and institutions which wish to operate as though the marriage law had not changed.

    So, if you are devoutly Christian, but provide a non-religious service (e.g. baking wedding cakes), you will be targeted. This is how it is going to go and is one reason I think people should vote “no”.

  52. calli

    A myriad of distinguished professors and social scientists have already confirmed what James Damore wrote in his Google memo: men and women are measurably different.

    Thank goodness for that! I thought it was just my imagination.

  53. OldOzzie

    2016 U.S. News/Raytheon STEM Index

    The 2016 U.S. News/Raytheon STEM Index recorded a slight rise in hiring, education and general interest in technology and engineering over last year, while math education and general interest in science declined. The biggest growth occurred at the graduate level, but despite years of investment in attracting more American students to STEM, that expansion was not homegrown.

    While the number of graduates who earned masters’ and doctorate degrees in STEM rose by 6 percent in 2015, the Index found, the number of science and engineering graduates holding U.S. passports and green cards fell from 2008 to 2014, according to survey data from the National Science Foundation.

    “The U.S. is in fact producing more STEM graduates, but they’re not necessarily to the benefit of the U.S.,” says Brian Kelly, editor and chief content officer of U.S. News & World Report.

    Gaps between men and women, and between whites and minorities, also remained entrenched. As the number of white students who earned STEM degrees grew 15 percent in the last five years, the number of black students fell by roughly the same margin, the index found.

    Women’s interest in STEM also decreased slightly since last year.

    For years, executives at software firms, manufacturers, engineering companies and defense contractors – even President Barack Obama – have lamented what they say is a lack of qualified STEM graduates. It’s an outgrowth of excluding more than half the population, they contend: depriving low-income schools of robust STEM programs, and reinforcing – implicitly and overtly, through socialization and outright discrimination – the perception that server farms and manufacturing hubs, labs and wind tunnels are almost exclusively the domains of white and Asian men.

    While women continue to fall behind their male counterparts in some parts of STEM, experts say this may be a matter of choice and not cause for alarm.

    Women may lag behind men in areas like engineering, for example, but they far outstrip men in earning biology degrees, NSF data show. Women make up about 80 percent of the students enrolled at the Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine (medical fields are not traditionally categorized as STEM), and a survey analysis in 2009 found girls expressed far less interest than boys in math as early as adolescence.

    “Women are choosing to do different things. Everyone doesn’t want to be an electrical engineer or to do computer science, and that’s not a failure or flaw,” says psychologist Wendy Williams, a professor in Cornell’s department of human development.

  54. calli

    and that it is the elites, in this case some churches and a determined group of politicians like Abbott, who are resisting.

    The “elites” are churches? Knock me down with a feather.

    In Lenore world “elite” = someone who disagrees with me

  55. srr

    OldOzzie
    #2467088, posted on August 13, 2017 at 7:52 am

    The Science Says The Google Guy Was Right About Sex Differences

    A myriad of distinguished professors and social scientists have already confirmed what James Damore wrote in his Google memo: men and women are measurably different.

    That’s because he wasn’t writing off the top of head, but actually referencing the science.

    That’s what made Google et al go off full retard, hoping to bury those facts under another avalanche of Leftist Bullshit … oh, and direct threats against anyone else who thought they had some sort of right to have science/fact based discussions, about Anything, with Anyone … bad call Idiot Google Bots 😀

  56. OldOzzie

    A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

    Former NSA experts say it wasn’t a hack at all, but a leak—an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system.

    It is now a year since the Democratic National Committee’s mail system was compromised—a year since events in the spring and early summer of 2016 were identified as remote hacks and, in short order, attributed to Russians acting in behalf of Donald Trump. A great edifice has been erected during this time. President Trump, members of his family, and numerous people around him stand accused of various corruptions and extensive collusion with Russians. Half a dozen simultaneous investigations proceed into these matters. Last week news broke that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had convened a grand jury, which issued its first subpoenas on August 3. Allegations of treason are common; prominent political figures and many media cultivate a case for impeachment.

    The president’s ability to conduct foreign policy, notably but not only with regard to Russia, is now crippled. Forced into a corner and having no choice, Trump just signed legislation imposing severe new sanctions on Russia and European companies working with it on pipeline projects vital to Russia’s energy sector. Striking this close to the core of another nation’s economy is customarily considered an act of war, we must not forget. In retaliation, Moscow has announced that the United States must cut its embassy staff by roughly two-thirds. All sides agree that relations between the United States and Russia are now as fragile as they were during some of the Cold War’s worst moments. To suggest that military conflict between two nuclear powers inches ever closer can no longer be dismissed as hyperbole.

    All this was set in motion when the DNC’s mail server was first violated in the spring of 2016 and by subsequent assertions that Russians were behind that “hack” and another such operation, also described as a Russian hack, on July 5. These are the foundation stones of the edifice just outlined. The evolution of public discourse in the year since is worthy of scholarly study: Possibilities became allegations, and these became probabilities. Then the probabilities turned into certainties, and these evolved into what are now taken to be established truths. By my reckoning, it required a few days to a few weeks to advance from each of these stages to the next. This was accomplished via the indefensibly corrupt manipulations of language repeated incessantly in our leading media.

    We are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception.
    Lost in a year that often appeared to veer into our peculiarly American kind of hysteria is the absence of any credible evidence of what happened last year and who was responsible for it. It is tiresome to note, but none has been made available. Instead, we are urged to accept the word of institutions and senior officials with long records of deception. These officials profess “high confidence” in their “assessment” as to what happened in the spring and summer of last year—this standing as their authoritative judgment. Few have noticed since these evasive terms first appeared that an assessment is an opinion, nothing more, and to express high confidence is an upside-down way of admitting the absence of certain knowledge. This is how officials avoid putting their names on the assertions we are so strongly urged to accept—as the record shows many of them have done.

    We come now to a moment of great gravity.

    There has been a long effort to counter the official narrative we now call “Russiagate.” This effort has so far focused on the key events noted above, leaving numerous others still to be addressed. Until recently, researchers undertaking this work faced critical shortcomings, and these are to be explained. But they have achieved significant new momentum in the past several weeks, and what they have done now yields very consequential fruit. Forensic investigators, intelligence analysts, system designers, program architects, and computer scientists of long experience and strongly credentialed are now producing evidence disproving the official version of key events last year. Their work is intricate and continues at a kinetic pace as we speak. But its certain results so far are two, simply stated, and freighted with implications:

    There was no hack of the Democratic National Committee’s system on July 5 last year—not by the Russians, not by anyone else. Hard science now demonstrates it was a leak—a download executed locally with a memory key or a similarly portable data-storage device. In short, it was an inside job by someone with access to the DNC’s system. This casts serious doubt on the initial “hack,” as alleged, that led to the very consequential publication of a large store of documents on WikiLeaks last summer.

    Forensic investigations of documents made public two weeks prior to the July 5 leak by the person or entity known as Guccifer 2.0 show that they were fraudulent: Before Guccifer posted them they were adulterated by cutting and pasting them into a blank template that had Russian as its default language. Guccifer took responsibility on June 15 for an intrusion the DNC reported on June 14 and professed to be a WikiLeaks source—claims essential to the official narrative implicating Russia in what was soon cast as an extensive hacking operation. To put the point simply, forensic science now devastates this narrative.

  57. srr

    So, Dot is Lenore Taylor?

    Begging for children to be classified as “commodities” so that “Gay Parents” are not denied Their “human right” to Buy Children in order to Enjoy Their “Human Right” to be “Gay Parents”?

  58. Tom #2467044, posted on August 13, 2017 at 4:00 am

    Week In Pictures.

    Thanks Tom, love your work.

  59. OldOzzie

    Martin Armstrong Warns, Australia Is “Crossing The Line Into A Totalitarian State”

    Behind the Curtain, there seems to be no government going completely nuts more so than Australia.


    They are doubling taxes on all foreigners who own property, which is a violation of international law, and then they made it a crime for a foreign to even buy a house undisclosed.

    On top of all of this insanity, then they are planning to strip consumers of their legal protections if they pay in cash and fail to get a receipt.

    If an Australian pays for anything in cash, they suspect he is hiding money.

    The Australian government is looking to impose penalties if a consumer pays cash and FAILS to get a receipt so they can end the underground economy.

    They are expecting to change the culture by forcing consumers to ask for a fiscal receipts when paying cash for anything.

    Now the Australian government has moved beyond eliminating cash, they seek to punish people who pay in cash.

    This outrageous proposal is clearly exposing the Australian government as a leftist goose-stepping authoritarian regime going completely insane hunting Australians for taxes. They are even stalking children on their way to school and then check the school as to how they are being paid. This is real Hitler stuff.

    That is why the Swiss created numbered accounts because Hitler made it illegal for a German to have any account outside of Germany.

    This anti-free society the Australian government is establishing is just off the charts. They have set up a Black Economy Taskforce to hunt down their own citizens.

    The Black Economy Taskforce has turned its attention from the businesses to consumers they now say are “part of the problem” adding that “[w]e intend to examine the merits of consumer focused sanctions, including the loss of consumer protections, warranties and legal rights for people who make cash payments without obtaining a valid receipt.”

    They are out to change the entire culture of Australia because the government refuses to see itself as the spendthrift causing the entire problem. They wrote: “This is not simply of matter of imposing new penalties, but part of a wider cultural change agenda.”

    This is becoming very dangerous.

    Can you imagine a government staking your children? This gestapo agency is indeed spying on its own citizens in every aspect just as did the NAZI government in Germany. They have put forth 35 recommendations contained in the interim report where they are arguing the need for “consumer-focused action” to crack down on cash payments.

    Obviously, Australia turned their own people into a hunt for taxes. Can you imagine stalking your children is legal? What is human rights? Australia is hunting its own people as if this were a fox hunt. Those who are looking to adopt children should consider adopting from Australia to save them from a government that is going down the path of a totalitarian regime.

    This is always a dangerous historical path to proceed down. It has never ended nicely.

  60. srr

    Melania Trump‏Verified account @FLOTUS 6h6 hours ago

    Our country encourages freedom of speech, but let’s communicate w/o hate in our hearts. No good comes from violence. #Charlottesville

  61. Beef #2467053, posted on August 13, 2017 at 5:33 am

    Good news I hadn’t seen, great for calibrating. Some people unintentionally show you lacking. 1:35

    https://twitter.com/YoungDems4Trump/status/896360036640800768

    Thanks Beef, what a great way to start the day.

  62. Gab

    and that it is the elites, in this case some churches and a determined group of politicians like Abbott, who are resisting.

    And mosques. Never ever mention the mosques, do they?

  63. srr

    A Note About Political Violence…
    Posted on August 12, 2017 by sundance

    A brief note about political violence from an observer of modern political history.

    Many people are familiar with the linear political terms left and right. Left equals Democrat world-views and Right equals Republican world-views. On the left we discuss progressives, liberals etc. On the right we discuss conservatives, etc.

    In terms of a political continuum as you travel further left the governmental influence over the individual increases.

    The further left, the larger government. Socialism eventually gives way to totalitarianism and communism, full control by government.

    On the same continuum if you travel rightward, a constitutional republic eventually gives way to the absence of government and you arrive at anarchy. Visually it looks like this:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/political-continuum-1.jpg

    However, the end result of both Totalitarianism and Anarchy is conflict. Total control by government over the individual is antithetical to freedom; the human condition has historically yearned to be free. Additionally, within a social system lacking any governing rules and regulations, amid anarchy where only the strong can survive, natural states of human disposition lead to tribalism and therein ultimately, conflict. (See Animal Farm)

    Both sides of the political continuum end up in a state of conflict. This leads to something we have discussed since our initial assembly began:

    CTH has long noted the continuum is not linear, it is circular.

    Continue reading →
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/12/a-note-about-political-violence/#more-137125

  64. Sparkx

    And a hearty big thank you from me as well Tom. Your posts always give the day a kick start. Off to church now to blow the spiders out of the organ pipes. Catch y’all later.

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  66. C.L.

    Behind the Curtain, there seems to be no government going completely nuts more so than Australia.

    Indeed.

    Those who are looking to adopt children should consider adopting from Australia to save them from a government that is going down the path of a totalitarian regime.

    Also true. The more children who can be rescued from the Andrews ped0ph1le government in Victoria, the better.

  67. Boambee John

    Zulu at midnight

    “The role of the infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to seize and hold ground, to repel attack. by night or day, regardless of season, weather or terrain.”

    47 years in my case! Doesn’t time fly.

  68. Tel

    http://www.breitbart.com/radio/2017/08/11/jeffrey-lord-wont-back-down-cnn-caved-obvious-joke/

    “I don’t know. You’d have to ask them,” Lord replied. “I genuinely find this amazing. I mean, this was such an obvious joke, and they say, ‘Well, you’re not supposed to joke about these things.’ First of all, I was mocking these people. As people in your audience would know, if they’re familiar with American culture, which I know they are, everybody from Charlie Chaplin’s ‘Great Dictator’ back in 1940 in which he mocked Adolph Hitler all the way up to the Blues Brothers with Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi, in which they mocked Nazis, mocking Nazis is a good place to be.”

    Charlie Chaplin got on the wrong side of the FBI for criticizing the Nazis and for being anti-war in general. He was eventually banned from the USA.

  69. rickw

    The more children who can be rescued from the Andrews ped0ph1le government in Victoria, the better.

    Definitely.

  70. Fergus

    Riccardo, the ones going bush, are they the ones suiciding?
    Have they got stats on the living/social circumstances and VA disputes of the ones who have suicided?

  71. Bruce of Newcastle

    As the number of white students who earned STEM degrees grew 15 percent in the last five years, the number of black students fell by roughly the same margin, the index found.

    Maybe this story has summat to do with the latter figure.

    Baltimore School With Zero Students Proficient In Math Has Highest Graduation Rate (Friday)

    Baltimore’s community is absolutely stunned after ‘Project Baltimore’, an investigative reporting initiative, which was launched in March 2017, by Sinclair Broadcast Group Inc. asked this question: How can a high school with zero students proficient in math, have one of the highest graduation rates in Baltimore City?

    Project Baltimore is investigating Northwood Appold Community Academy II, or NACA II, after teachers “contacted us saying grades are being changed so students can graduate”.

    That school is not alone:

    “It’s Absurd” – 6 Baltimore Schools Have Zero Students Proficient In State Math, English Tests (May)

    This is the gift of the Left’s war on inequality and their control of schooling system: everyone is equally badly educated.

  72. OldOzzie

    Secret Syrian trip-up

    IT’S not only Labor MP Khalil Eideh who needs to do some explaining about his secret Syrian trips.

    Premier Daniel Andrews must tell Victorians what he thinks of the pro-Syrian and other posts on the social media site of Mr Eideh, his deputy president in the Legislative Council.

    Mr Eideh, who was barred from entry to the US last month, has been caught out on the truth about the number and frequency of his trips to Syria. To be clear, Mr Eideh says he visits his 90-year-old father in Syria. That is completely understandable.

    But why attempt to mislead Victorians about the frequency of those trips?

    Syria is a war zone and the Australian Government has listed the Raqqa province in the northern border region a “declared area” — or prohibited zone — which, if visited by Australians for illegitimate reasons can attract a 10-year jail term.

    There is no evidence Mr Eideh, the member for Western Metropolitan Region, entered the proscribed territory in the Islamic State stronghold of Raqqa or any suggestion he personally raises any security concerns.

    But the point is US border security had an issue with him and with so many Australian dual-national fighters involved in the conflict, security authorities here place a huge emphasis on trying to identify any Australians who travel to Syria, where they go and why.

    To have a senior Andrews Government MP playing fast and loose with the truth until pressed on specific trips is not acceptable.

    Moreover, there have been some concerning posts on Mr Eideh’s Facebook page — whether by him or people he is linked with — including an anti-US rant that describes US President Donald Trump as a “criminal demon face”. Mr Eideh also shared a post that refers to US senator John McCain as a Zionist and some posts are supportive of Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad.

    Mr Eideh confirmed the Facebook page was his, but said he did not remember posting the video. “I don’t know if it is hacking … I would never post anything like this. No way.”

    Mr Eideh attracted controversy when he signed a 2002 letter professing loyalty to Mr Assad and highlighting “colonial and Zionist” threats to the Arab world.

    Later, in 2006, Mr Eideh wrote to the Jewish Community Council of Victoria saying he had signed a “standard form letter” to the Syrian Government and it had been taken out of context, and stated “I abhor and reject terrorism and all it represents. I would never assist a regime that supports or promotes terrorism”.

    Mr Assad is an accused war criminal who has used chemical weapons on his own people during a six-year civil war that has claimed an estimated 400,000 lives. A UN commission of inquiry on Syria last year found mass killings carried out by the Syrian Government amounted to “extermination” and a “crime against humanity”.

    The Lebanese-born Mr Eideh needs to publicly state whether he continues to support Assad.

    Given some of the concerning rhetoric on Mr Eideh’s Facebook page and his earlier letter, trips to see his elderly father are not the issue. His previously expressed support for Mr Assad and his mistruths about only travelling to Syria “last Christmas” — and not the two trips in April and July — raise real questions.

    Obviously, US border authorities that banned him from the US last month have an issue.

    Mr Andrews must demand Mr Eideh tell Victorians if he still holds pro-Assad views, whether US officials have now told him why he was banned from America and why he lied about the Syria trips.

  73. Geriatric Mayfly

    A big ‘Like’ Tom for Thomas the Tank Engine and Gustav The Rail Gun. Given the outrage the meek and mild Thomas provokes amongst the Sisters; Gustav, with that huge penis thingie out front, would have them running for safe spaces.

  74. srr

    Sky News Newsdesk‏Verified account @SkyNewsBreak

    Three people have died and at least 34 have been injured after violent clashes at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville in Virginia
    ___

    0HOUR1‏ @__0HOUR1_ 11m11 minutes ago

    I think @realDonaldTrump and @BarackObama need to step up to the podium and tell the nation to step back and breathe.

    We need dialogue.

    freeboulder‏ @freeboulder
    Replying to @__0HOUR1_ @realDonaldTrump @BarackObama

    Obama loves this shit, are you kidding?

    Time to call him out dont u think.
    ______________

    Wouldn’t work, the Left, knowing like everyone that Obama always uses these violent riots to stir up more murderous violence, would only spin it as, ‘White Slave Master Trump strong arming the beloved, real, Black President. Like Obama’s some houseboy in Trump’s eyes’.

    Better for the whole country, the whole world, to privately, see, compare and contrast, and understand deeply enough that they may eventually hit their buried vein of moral and intellectual courage.

  75. OldOzzie

    Parenting advice: How to handle raising boys

    PARENTS of boys need to make sure they give them routines and boundaries, but also be patient with them because they will deliberately break the rules.

    Author Michael Grose said parents needed to monitor boys’ aggression, but make sure their sons had confidence so they could flourish at school.

    He said a lack of confidence could be a major hurdle as boys aged.

    He said the key to understanding boys was appreciating the gender differences in the behaviour, confidence and learning between boys and girls.

    “Look at two-year-olds and you can see the boys and girls are very different,” Grose said.

    “The boys are often active and moving, while the girl often is not.

    “Boys can also be more angry and are wired to be more aggressive as they age. Boys can go from zero to 10 on the anger scale.”

    Grose said boys’ brains for the first five years “are wired so they focus on spatial, visual and gross motor skills”.

    “Girls are more verbal and more focused on fine motor skills, which is why they start school with an advantage,” he said.

    Grose, whose latest book is Spoonfed Generation, said boys liked rules: “Watch them play backyard cricket and there’s lots of rules such as one hand-one bounce, over the fence and out.

    “Sometimes, though, boys break rules just for the sake of it.”

    Grose said boys often lacked confidence in their learning and struggled with their social skills and organisation.

    “They have to like them, and feel comfortable around them. If they don’t like a teacher then they can shut down; they’re very straightforward,” he said.

    “They are also not as well organised as girls and need a reason for doing something. This means they are more inclined to listen to a teacher if they know why they are doing the lesson.”

    Grose said a lack of confidence could be a major hurdle as boys aged.

    “Boys can start to hold themselves back and have a low-risk approach to learning — they don’t want to stand out from the crowd,” he said.

    When it comes to friendships, boys could be more stable than girls, Grose said.

    Boys tended to use technology for games whereas girls used their phones to communicate with others.

    “You do have to set limits on technology; it’s not just about how many hours, but what they are doing on the phone that matters,” he said.

  76. Roger

    They are out to change the entire culture of Australia because the government refuses to see itself as the spendthrift causing the entire problem.

    In a nutshell.

    Thanks Wayne, Penny, Joe, Mathias & Scott.

  77. srr

    Baltimore School With Zero Students Proficient In Math Has Highest Graduation Rate

    Funny, true story – Australia, the early ’90’s – company running State and Federal recognised business courses. Had special Govt. funding to run ‘Free’ courses for ‘underprivileged women’. Policy was that No One Failed. Illiterates, liars, thieves, all sorts of trash that failed their work, Passed. Only one questioned the Leftist policies such as passing idiots. That one Failed. 🙂

  78. Roger

    Was Damore right? Evolutionary psychology professor Geoffrey Miller (whose work I’ve read and enjoyed previously) says that he was spot-on.

    Plus this.

  79. OldOzzie

    Keep gender politics out of our military. Fighting capacity is what matters

    YOU’D think the staggering $1 trillion Australian taxpayers will fork out in defence spending over the next 20 years might be about building the most combat-effective, strongest, best trained fighting force.

    But, no, the new priority in the Australian Defence Force is gender “diversity”, potentially at the expense of war-fighting capability.

    The ADF denies this, but how else do you explain the Defence Recruiting Priorities spreadsheet for 7 August, 2017, leaked by patriots dismayed at the demand for gender quotas.

    Here you see that, of 50 jobs available in the Army, just 14 are open to males in the next six months. Of 18 jobs in the Navy just one is for men. And of seven jobs in the air force, not one is for men.

    This includes frontline combat roles. For the next 12 months there is no place in the Army for a male Artilleryman, ironically enough.

    The role of Rifleman, likewise, has to be a woman.

    Nor can men become combat engineers or armoured cavalry. Only women are to be recruited.

    Nor is there a place for men as carpenter trainee, aircraft structural fitter, trainee plumber, air dispatcher, firefighter emergency responder, marine specialist, artillery air defender, artillery observer, driver, military police officer or parachute rigger. Women only need apply.

    In a classic case of Orwellian doublespeak, according to an ADF press release titled “A diverse ADF is a capable ADF”, men are perfectly free to apply. They just won’t get the job.

    Similar recruitment targets apply across Navy and air force, with concession made for some jobs, such as Navy Clearance Diver, in which “ATSI (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander) male candidates may still apply”.

    For the rest of the rejected men maybe they could turn political correctness back on the recruiters by claiming to be gender fluid to get the job.

    These days you don’t have to wear a dress or shave your beard. Identifying as a women should be quite enough.

    Jokes aside, the Prime Minister last week announced we will support the US if North Korea attacks, while China has let it be known that it will defend North Korea if the US attacks. Potentially we could be facing war with China, not to mention whatever happens in the Middle East.

    It is the worst possible time to play gender politics with our military.

  80. Snoopy

    Apparently there’s such a thing as ‘citizenship expert’.

    Who knew?

  81. stackja

    Neil Prakash: From ‘lion’ of the Caliphate to desperate fugitive
    Ellen Whinnett, European Correspondent, News Corp Australia Network
    August 13, 2017 12:30am
    Subscriber only

    TERRORIST Neil Prakash has begged the Australian Government to help him, months after he was arrested for planning and encouraging Islamic State terror attacks on Australian citizens.

    News Corp can reveal that Prakash, 27, has now thrown himself at the mercy of the Australian

    Government, requesting consular assistance from his jail cell in Turkey.

    He has also fathered two children who are entitled to Australian citizenship through descent laws.

  82. OldOzzie

    Roger
    #2467118, posted on August 13, 2017 at 8:57 am
    Was Damore right? Evolutionary psychology professor Geoffrey Miller (whose work I’ve read and enjoyed previously) says that he was spot-on.

    Plus this.

    Roger,

    Thanks, “plus this” – that Globe and Mail Article was a good read

  83. Fergus

    Prakash doesn’t want to go to Israel, poor widdle possum.

  84. Baldrick

    It’s wall to wall Leftards on TheirABC Insiders this morning.
    Homo-hoedowns sure to get a good plug because no dissenting voices will be heard.

  85. Roger

    that Globe and Mail Article was a good read

    You’re welcome, OldOzzie.

    Posted it yesterday but thought some might have missed it.

  86. Nick

    I’m laughing at Greens and others who get all teary eyed about the need for open borders and then complain when rise rises are built in order to accomodate higher populations.

  87. overburdened

    Lesson learnt- distraction is important. Maybe it was a Saturday night thing. I don’t know what Mr Abbott or his sister have to do with IMO a shameful and unacknowledged sacrifice at the altar of homo rights that was spiked as an issue of public importance, or what they have to do with a homo bred contagion being endemic in the broader community. Better get back to talking bullshit then.

  88. Nick

    He has also fathered two children who are entitled to Australian citizenship through descent laws.

    I can’t wait till they enter parliament

  89. John64

    Looks like it will be the Rainbow Love Special Edition on Ol’ Leathery’s Re-education Hour this morning.

    Wonder if ABC Communications Director Mr Maley will be tuned in?

  90. srr

    Trump condemns violence, hatred, bigotry ‘on many sides’

    …‘WE ARE AMERICANS FIRST’: TRUMP PLEA FOR PEACE…

    …POTUS, FLOTUS, VPOTUS CALL FOR UNITY…

    …UPDATE: THREE DEAD, 35 INJURED…

    …MEDIA BLAME TRUMP…

    …’F*CK THE POLICE’: ANTIFA PROTESTERS TURN ON COPS…

    …STATE OF EMERGENCY DECLARED…

    …NATIONAL GUARD ON STAND-BY…
    _____________________________________

    In all this, remember, that more police were hunted down and murdered, in just one of the riots Obama kicked off against police, and then stirred up some more.

    Soros & Co.’s Obama, Clinton et al, were trying to in America what they did in the Ukraine.
    They are still trying.

    Thank God for President Trump.

  91. rickw

    YOU’D think the staggering $1 trillion Australian taxpayers will fork out in defence spending over the next 20 years might be about building the most combat-effective, strongest, best trained fighting force.

    This is how it will play out:

    The first real engagement on the ground, the GI Janes and Lezzo’s will get seriously fucked up, those that get captured or surrender (the number that surrender will be large and will be a point of cover up) will get raped and the opposing force will make a great show of this.

    Then to fill the gap, men and boys, under trained and under equipped (the girls lost all the gear) will get thrown into the breach at great cost.

    This is a lose, lose, lose scenario that is being engineered.

  92. Geriatric Mayfly

    This extract from Bolta. He also proffers an excellent visual/audio presentation which casts serious doubt on this very notion. A magnificent rendition of ‘Che gelida manina’ by tenor Roberto Alagna, and some godawful cacophony, the outspew of a Liza Lim. I wonder when this 50:50 split comes in, patrons will be able to buy a ticket for half the performance only.

    Roger Franklin:
    Classical music is a hotbed of masculinist oppression, according to a professor at Sydney Conservatory, who is calling for each and every concert bill to be split 50:50 between male and female composers. Performance quotas, she asserts, are needed tools to “re-imagine legitimacy”

  93. John Constantine

    Not explicitly stated, but one not-to-be-mentioned reason for the panic-stricken charge into Social Justice Livestock Integrity, where 220,000 australian livestock producers will have to allocate billions of dollars a year into compliance with Stalinist centrally planned and controlled livestock production, is the islamic economic gross domestic product boost.

    The intercepted whispers and rumoured plots to bring down the Australian economy for the ISIS islamic state are meant to have mentioned weaponising animal diseases like foot and mouth and worse.

    Boost Gross Domestic Product, comrades, the proles have nothing else to do.

  94. custard

    I have yet to hear a long form interview from anyone representing the no case on their stinking filthy ABC. Not one!

  95. egg_

    The Black Economy Taskforce has turned its attention from the businesses to consumers they now say are “part of the problem” adding that “[w]e intend to examine the merits of consumer focused sanctions, including the loss of consumer protections, warranties and legal rights for people who make cash payments without obtaining a valid receipt.”

    Oh noes – I bought some Pro OCR software (Chinese) and paid no GST recently – Gerry Harvey would be p1ssed – he’d like to sell me Adobe Pro in a box?
    Globals like Adobe don’t care about GST and cannibalise other Software Developers anyhoo?

  96. OldOzzie

    Ex-presidents demand AMA retracts support for gay marriage

    Five former state presidents of the Australian Medical Association are among almost 400 doctors who have signed a petition asking the nation’s peak medical body to retract its support for same-sex marriage.

    The rearguard group, led by former AMA Tasmania president Chris Middleton, delivered a letter to AMA national president Mich­ael Gannon yesterday accusing him of making “false and misleading claims” about why same-sex marriage should be treated as a health issue.

    “In the six days since the ‘medical critique’ was made public a further­ 368 of us, including 26 professors and associate professors and five past state presidents, have added our voices to this sincere expression of concern,” Dr Middleton wrote in the letter.

    Among the signatories was Howard government minister John Herron, also a former president of the AMA Queensland.

    Former AMA West Australian president Paul Skerritt also signed the petition, along with former AMA Tasmanian presidents Haydn Walters and Michael Aizen. Four of the five past presidents who signed the petition are AMA fellows, which is one of the body’s highest honours.

    The report was critical of the AMA for not consulting the membership before it made its position statement on same-sex marriage, as it had done for other controversial issues, such as euthanasia.

    The report said the AMA used flimsy evidence to argue children of gay couples had the same health outcomes as those raised by their biological mother and father. It also criticised evidence used by the AMA to claim legalising same-sex marriage would improve­ the health of gay people.

  97. egg_

    Dreyfus on their Insiders – ‘Shorten isn’t Leftwing’.

    He could be to the Right of Lord Waffleworth?

  98. rickw

    The intercepted whispers and rumoured plots to bring down the Australian economy for the ISIS islamic state are meant to have mentioned weaponising animal diseases like foot and mouth and worse.

    They also want to make sure that the muzzie roots are disease free, look at how much damage one cute but rabies infected ass can do!

  99. Baldrick

    I have yet to hear a long form interview from anyone representing the no case on their stinking filthy ABC. Not one!

    Lyle Shelton got a run on TheirABC radio during the week custard, being ridiculed and mercilessly attacked by interviewer Raf Epstein.
    That’s as balanced as the ABC gets.

  100. min

    Dreyfus complained about the pejorative remarks Turnbull made about Shorten with perorative remarks about Turnbull.

  101. alexnoaholdmate

    Dreyfus on their Insiders – ‘Shorten isn’t Leftwing’.

    He is correct, in a sense – Shorten is more right-wing than the current leader of the Liberals.

    Seriously. There’s barely an inch of daylight between Malcolm and Bill, at least on all the points that really matter.

  102. Geriatric Mayfly

    They also want to make sure that the muzzie roots are disease free, look at how much damage one cute but rabies infected ass can do!

    And it’s not over yet rickw. A horse and an ass produce a mule. Congress between a Muzzie and an ass leads me to wild speculation as to the progeny. But only a few more months and we shall see.

  103. OldOzzie

    UK wind farms paid to not make sausages

    The Scottish wind-power racket
    By John Constable and Matt Ridley

    Imagine a sausage factory – the luckiest, most profitable sausage factory in the world. Its machines crank out their sausages, and lorries carry them to supermarkets. So far, so normal.

    But this particular factory makes as many sausages as the management and staff choose. If they feel like taking the day off, the lorries and shelves stay empty. If they want to go a bit wild, they sometimes make so many sausages that there aren’t enough lorries to take them away. Or they carry on cranking out sausages even if the shelves are already full.

    And here’s the really amazing thing: even when the lorries can’t cope or there is no demand for sausages, the factory gets paid. Indeed, they get paid more for not sending the sausages to the shops than for sending them. This is such great business that the factory is actually building an extension, so it can threaten to make even more unwanted sausages.

    Does all that sound completely mad? Of course it does. But it’s what happens in the British electricity industry – where the blackmailing, money-printing sausage factory is a wind farm in Scotland.

    OK, a wind farm isn’t making sausages, but it’s also not a farm.

    Nothing about this makes sense, unless you follow-the-money.

    John Constable and Matt Ridley outline the absolute rort that Scottish wind generators are screwing out of British electricity customers. Scotland already has 750 industrial wind plants (the scammers) in their best moments making a total of 5,700 MW which is more than the peak demand of the whole Scottish grid. This is, at times, not just more than Scotland can use, but even more than it can safely absorb, so UK slaves were forced to spend £1.8 billion on giant interconnectors partly to send the excess down to England and whatnot, otherwise the profits of the unprofitable might suffer, and the weather might not be as nice in 2100 (or not).

    The wind farms are distributed across Scotland, sometimes in very remote regions, so there is a real problem in getting their energy down to the English border – let alone getting it across. For some years now, Scotland’s total export capacity has been only 3.5 GW, well under the peak output of the wind farm fleet.

    So, reinforcements and new links are being introduced. These range from the hugely controversial, and to many environmentally unacceptable, £820 million Beauly-Denny upgrade, to the massive Western Link, a subsea connector from Hunterston to Deeside that is set to come online this year at a cost of more than £1 billion – and will entail a standing charge on energy bills across Britain of about £100 million a year for 35 years.

    Yet in spite of the cost, these upgrades cannot completely address the problem: there is still more wind power in Scotland than can be reasonably and affordably absorbed into the system, or exported to its neighbours, partly because the wind fleet keeps growing.

    Why has so much been built? Partly, it is because of income-support subsidies. This top-up of nearly 100 per cent over the wholesale price – funded, of course, from consumer bills – makes wind farms very attractive, at least until they wear out (by which time developers hope to have sold them on to naive pension funds and investment trusts).

    There is also the political situation. In England and Wales, onshore wind is effectively dead, due primarily to the strong local resistance the turbines tend to attract, to which government eventually responded.

    In Scotland, the story is different. The country is intensely urbanised, with most voters located in the cities. Rural objectors were simply too few in number to have much influence, no matter how strong their environmental or economic arguments.

  104. custard

    I can’t bear watching Jason Day self destruct, over to their Insiders…..

  105. Muddy

    rickw
    #2467133, posted on August 13, 2017 at 9:11 am

    Agreed. But the much-celebrated story will not be the dozens of men who were killed to rescue ‘our brave sisters,’ but the women themselves who did little to effect their own survival. They will be feted, and the names of those to whom they owed their lives will never be mentioned. They were only men after all. You win some, you lose a lot. Meh.

  106. custard

    Cheers Baldrick, one interview heard in Melbourne?

  107. Stimpson J. Cat

    “No matter our color, creed, religion, or political party, we are all Americans first.

    You either understand this or you do not.

  108. Baldrick

    Aborigines to charge tourists to visit the non-aboriginal Bradshaws:

    Kimberley tourists to be charged $150 to access sights by Wunambal Gaambera Aboriginal group:
    An Aboriginal group in Western Australia’s far north has become the first to start charging cruise ship passengers to visit world-famous coastal spots like waterfalls and rock art caves, sparking concern among tourism groups.
    The fee is being phased in by the Wunambal Gaambera Aboriginal Corporation (WGAC), with cruise and charter boat operators facing a one-off $200 fee per berth during the current tourist season.

  109. C.L.

    It’s official: Turnbull bans support for marriage …

    PM’s team off plebiscite trail
    DENNIS SHANAHAN, JOE KELLY
    The Turnbull cabinet will run dead on the same-sex marriage plebiscite for the next three months.

    What I’m wondering this morning is this: phony Catholic Turnbull infamously lectured an ACL breakfast about the splendors of abortion and is now trying to destroy marriage.

    It’s time – is it not? – for the Archbishop of Sydney to formally excommunicate him.

  110. cynical1

    Lenore Taylor, Guardian Australia’s editor: We won’t be giving equal time to spurious arguments against marriage equality

    Waleed Ali was unavailable for comment.

  111. Baldrick

    Cheers Baldrick, one interview heard in Melbourne?

    I would really call it an ‘interview’ custard, more a lambasting.

  112. Muddy

    A left-leaning vagina is better than a straight white penis.
    (Robber Baron on another thread).

    Sorry, had to borrow it and post it, as I thought it was pithy and awesome (pith & awe).
    I am perplexed somewhat, however: because a vagina has an extra syllable compared to a penis, isn’t a vagina more privileged? Might we demand syllable equality for penises?

    Wadda we want? SYLLABLE EQUALITY FOR PENISES! When do we wannit? FIRST THING IN THE MORNING!

  113. egg_

    I’m laughing at Greens and others who get all teary eyed about the need for open borders and then complain when rise rises are built in order to accomodate higher populations.

    Increasing ghetto stock – high demand for the Leftoid Social Service industry?

  114. Fergus

    Turnbull actually physically knocked Cash.Why no screams of violence?

  115. Senile Old Guy

    From the piece CL mentioned:

    Yesterday Qantas and left-wing activist group GetUp! joined accommodation giant Airbnb in a “campaign to win a Yes result” if the legal challenges to the same-sex marriage postal vote fail, and the process is “forced” on ­Australians. Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has become the corporate face for same-sex marriage issues and has been vocal in lobbying for change as an openly gay businessman.

    The “yes” lobby seems unable to tell the truth. The process has not been “forced” on Australians; people voted for it. What is being “forced” on Australians is gay marriage.

  116. rickw

    Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has become the corporate face for same-sex marriage issues and has been vocal in lobbying for change as an openly gay businessman.

    As a Qantas shareholder and Qantas Platinum One holder, I would like to know WTF SSM has to do with Qantas?

    Qantas is NOT the Homo Hobbits personal megaphone.

  117. I see USSR is going all in on defending murderous Nazi terrorism today. There is no shame in him. He is a hopeless psychopath.

  118. egg_

    Increasing ghetto stock

    After taking account of inflation, all of our top 10 poorest postcodes went backwards over the decade, any meagre income gains eaten up by rising prices.

    A growth industry for Leftoid ‘Social Services’ parasites, however.

  119. egg_

    As a Qantas shareholder and Qantas Platinum One holder, I would like to know WTF SSM has to do with Qantas?

    Replace Queer Flight Stewards with robots?

  120. BrettW

    Insiders ends with the Tim Minchin song. Next week Lyle Shelton of ACL will end the show (NOT).

    Cassidy announces he will be on holiday for three weeks it Italy. I guess that will be in addition to the usual 8 – 10 week break in NOV – JAN.

  121. srr

    Woah! The Australian site had a massive blinking hissy fit when I clicked on this –

    OldOzzie
    #2467144, posted on August 13, 2017 at 9:22 am

    Ex-presidents demand AMA retracts support for gay marriage

    Couldn’t even being to log on or sign up for a sub, let alone get to the article.

  122. Snoopy

    The Deep State is onto you, srr.

  123. H B Bear

    The ALPBC staff co-op and the Socialist Broadcasting Service do love their European summer sojourns. Never the Nambucca Heads caravan park with the proletariat.

  124. srr

    🙂 –

    overburdened
    #2467129, posted on August 13, 2017 at 9:06 am

    Lesson learnt- distraction is important. Maybe it was a Saturday night thing. I don’t know what Mr Abbott or his sister have to do with IMO a shameful and unacknowledged sacrifice at the altar of homo rights that was spiked as an issue of public importance, or what they have to do with a homo bred contagion being endemic in the broader community. Better get back to talking bullshit then.

    A tip from an “Unpersoned” cat 😉 – don’t post for the posters, post for those who still come here looking for issues that the Stasi Compliant work to bury under bullshit … post for all those quiet achievers who scan for, collect and disseminate news and views around the still bravely free thinking in the world 🙂

  125. Makka

    He is a hopeless psychopath.

    Who is far more valued here than you mUnty, you perennial fkwit.

  126. srr

    It’s official: Turnbull bans support for marriage …

    PM’s team off plebiscite trail
    DENNIS SHANAHAN, JOE KELLY
    The Turnbull cabinet will run dead on the same-sex marriage plebiscite for the next three months.

    Well, with all those old farts getting old, the younger living ‘edgy lifestyles’, maybe the idea of 400 doctors being game to put their name to being against SS’M’ (and God knows how many others secretly holding that view), maybe, just maybe, Turnbull & Co. are only thinking about their own sorry skin again.

  127. incoherent rambler

    Classical music is a hotbed of masculinist oppression…

    I can’t recall a classical (or blues) female trumpet or tuba player of note.

  128. Nick

    Insiders ends with the Tim Minchin song. Next week Lyle Shelton of ACL will end the show (NOT).

    FMD. I think we need counter active activities each time a luvvie produces a song or cartoon to fight fire with fire.

  129. Tom

    The Deep State is onto you, srr.

    Snoopy, just because you can’t see the black helicopters doesn’t mean srr can’t see them.

  130. val majkus

    OldOzzie
    #2467144, posted on August 13, 2017 at 9:22 am

    Ex-presidents demand AMA retracts support for gay marriage

    Couldn’t even being to log on or sign up for a sub, let alone get to the article.

    no probs for me, here’s the article

    Five former state presidents of the Australian Medical Association are among almost 400 doctors who have signed a petition asking the nation’s peak medical body to retract its support for same-sex marriage.

    The rearguard group, led by former AMA Tasmania president Chris Middleton, delivered a letter to AMA national president Mich­ael Gannon yesterday accusing him of making “false and misleading claims” about why same-sex marriage should be treated as a health issue.

    “In the six days since the ‘medical critique’ was made public a further­ 368 of us, including 26 professors and associate professors and five past state presidents, have added our voices to this sincere expression of concern,” Dr Middleton wrote in the letter.

    Among the signatories was Howard government minister John Herron, also a former president of the AMA Queensland.

    Former AMA West Australian president Paul Skerritt also signed the petition, along with former AMA Tasmanian presidents Haydn Walters and Michael Aizen. Four of the five past presidents who signed the petition are AMA fellows, which is one of the body’s highest honours.

    The Weekend Australian revealed­ last week that Dr Middleton and five other AMA members had compiled a report savaging the body’s processes in choosing to support same-sex marriage.

    The report was critical of the AMA for not consulting the membership before it made its position statement on same-sex marriage, as it had done for other controversial issues, such as euthanasia.

    The report said the AMA used flimsy evidence to argue children of gay couples had the same health outcomes as those raised by their biological mother and father. It also criticised evidence used by the AMA to claim legalising same-sex marriage would improve­ the health of gay people.

    Dr Herron, who was Aboriginal affairs minister from 1996-2001, said the AMA should have consulted its membership base, rather than agreeing to pursue the policy after a meeting of state presidents at the AMA’s federal council.

    “It didn’t do any polling on the membership of the AMA,” Dr Herron told The Weekend Australian. “And I don’t agree with the statement because a child deserves a mother and a father, not two mothers and two fathers.”

    Dr Gannon said he understood why some members were disappointed with the AMA’s position on same-sex marriage, which was announced earlier in the year.

    “I respect their right to have an opinion and it is natural that the AMA will produce position statements which are divisive,” he said.

    “I expected a portion of our membership to be unhappy about our statement on marriage equal­ity and I was prepared for some resignations on it. But I am very happy to defend the process.

    “It was worked out through a working group made up of federal councillors and other experts.”

    He said the body would review whether it should have polled its membership base. “That is something we will reflect on,’’ Dr Gannon said. “We gave ourselves a lot of pats on the back when it came to our process on the physician-assisted­ suicide (position statement), the way we did it so carefully and went to the membership and surveyed them.

    “So I think we will reflect on whether we got this one right. But it … would be fair to say that the respon­se … has been overwhelmingly supportive in terms of our position on marriage equality.”

    taking comments too, like this one

    James 1 HOUR AGO
    Professional associations – of which at the AMA once was one – do not conduct polls to determine their positions on controversial issues. They hold conferences at which interested members may speak and their arguments may be considered by their colleagues.

    But the AMA these days is so far removed from its time as a professional organisation that we may as well be discussing how the PSU or the CFMEU should determine its position on the issue.

  131. USSR accuses opponents of being Stasi when the people he is defending walk the streets of America wearing swastikas, chanting Nazi slogans, attacking counter-protestors, and killing them with ISIS-style terrorism tactics. And people like Makka still profess to be on the side of this Nazi scum. Disgraceful.

  132. “The role of the infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to seize and hold ground, to repel attack. by night or day, regardless of season, weather or terrain.”

    LTGEN A. J.Campbell, AO, DSC
    Chief of Army
    Russell Offices
    CANBERRA ACT 2600

    Dear Angus,

    It’s been a while and congratulations, I see you’ve done well for yourself. By the way, loved your work with Operation Sovereign Borders. The only downside was you made that idiot Morrison look halfway competent. I don’t envy you your current Minister, Payne. Any person that morbidly obese must be carrying around enough unresolved emotional issues to fill an episode of Dr Phil.

    Anyhow, I’m a bit concerned about some of the press you’ve been getting lately and I’m not sure whether you’re holding ground until more favourable political circumstances present themselves or whether you’re hitting the Cool-Ade for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    You know what I’m talking about. Women in Infantry? Really?

    Have you forgotten the weight of equipment we used to lug around? I guess it’s been a while for both of us but these days, depending on the type of job, its location, tempo and duration, I reckon the lads would be carrying anything between 30-60kg, when you include weapon, ammunition, helmet, body armour, comms, mission specific specialist kit, water and rations.

    Look, I understand you’re following orders and that’s how it should be, but getting directions from higher that are disconnected from reality, is really nothing new.

    I remember back in 1983, as a subaltern in the 2nd /4th Battalion, our Commanding Officer the then LTCOL and later MAJGEN Mick Keating was concerned by the ridiculous loads the soldiers had to carry, as outlined in the Brigade Standard Operating Procedures. The Brigade Commander at the time was the formidable and genuinely fearsome Brigadier John Deighton AM MC, who not known for his sense of humour. (It might have been before your time but do you remember he was sacked for having the temerity of saying the Indonesians were a threat to our national security).

    Nevertheless, Keating had the RSM arrive at the Brigade Commander’s Conference in the company of a soldier with all the equipment he was required to carry… in a wheelbarrow. The point was made. Deighton ordered a review and changes were made.

    Mate, let’s cut through the crap and make this personal. You and I are about the same age, give or take a year or three. We’re about the same height, give or take an inch or three. I weigh in at 107kg because I’m down at the gym a couple of times a week and will lift a cumulative 10-15 tonnes each time, and I’m willing to bet even as ‘old men’ we have a better chance of dragging a man our own size and weight in full equipment across 50 metres of broken ground, after a 15km run, than any women currently serving in Army.

    I know we have a eunuch as PM and a bloated incompetent as Minister, but if you can’t sell that to the Government, you’re in the wrong job.

    All the best for the future and I hope and pray your legacy is an Army capable of winning the next war. Anything else is irrelevant. Just ask David Morrison.

    Yours aye, RUG

    PS You seem to have leaned up a bit too much. Age will reduce testosterone levels, as will too much aerobics and not enough lifting heavy metal. Here’s some free advice: Best you cut down on the salads and cardio, and instead eat more beef and get to the weight room.

  133. woolfe

    Les Deplorables‏ @woolfe

    @theprojecttv You have more chance of dying from a fridge falling on you than being killed by kkk in #Charlottesville

  134. val majkus

    this one wins the popularity vote – 71 likes

    Ann 15 HOURS AGO
    The fact that Dr. Gannon refers to ‘marriage equality’ says it all. How can you possibly have something equal when the two parties, heterosexual and homosexual, are in no way and certainly they are not equal in the most important fundamental requirement of a Marriage and that is the ability, and desire, to produce children. To be a father together with a mother or visa versa. This marriage equality statement just twaddle as it cannot be. Bill Shorten started using this terminology to play the sympathy card. At this stage I just feel like saying that all the so called medical people who support the AMA in this matter should go back to school and readdress their biology studies.

    To produce a child by a homosexual couple requires a third party and that makes nonsense of a two party marriage anyway.

    The decision by the present AMA is an absolute disgrace to the medical profession.

    and another popular comment

    Douglas 15 HOURS AGO
    As a retired Solicitor and no longer a practicing member of the profession, I wish to dissociate myself from the submission of the Law Council of Australia on the same sex marriage Bill circulated for discussion in February this year.

    Essentially it supported the rights of gays to marry as they were suffering” discrimination ” because they were denied the right ( to marry) accorded to other members of society. It supported the rights of ministers or celebrants to object to participate in SSM but rejected any wider protection for ” conscientious objectors” on religious or moral grounds, and such like.

    I have yet to enquire but I suspect that like the AMA there was no canvassing of member’s opinions on the topic.

    The fact that there is no right to same sex marriage recognised in International Conventions and that Australia is a signatory to the UN Declaration of Human Rights including Freedom of Religion seems of no moment to these people.( See Paul,Kelly in the Weekend Australian on this topic).

  135. woolfe

    Great letter Riccardo.

    ps hope your wife is getting better?

  136. Tel

    Neil Prakash has voided his warranty.

  137. Makka

    And people like Makka still profess to be on the side of this Nazi scum. Disgraceful.

    Lol. Looks like I’m over the target.

    Let me dumb it down further for you mUnty. You’re a fucking moron of no value.

    srr contributes items and info of usefulness and interest, whereas you contribute wrongology and leftist garbage speak.

    You pontificate about nazis and such while you advocate for baby killing and slaughter. That’s how big a turd you are mUnty. You’re almost unflushable.

  138. Geriatric Mayfly

    Reminds me, rambler, of the fierce resistance within the Vienna Phil. to the admission of women players to what was always considered a men’s orchestra. Rumour has it, that in the early stages of this battle fortissimo, a concession was made, and they advertised for a woman tuba player.

  139. calli

    Neil Prakash has voided his warranty.

    Tel wins! 😃

  140. Makka

    Thanks for sharing your letter Riccardo. Good on you for taking Campbell to task.

  141. egg_

    Great lecture on “Strategy” in the big sense, versus Tactics.

    Fantastic – describes Lysenkoism to a tee.

  142. OldOzzie

    Australia’s Tiger attack helicopters ‘unsafe’

    The maker of Australia’s problematic Tiger attack helicopters has issued a safety warning describing all versions of the aircraft as being in an “unsafe condition”.

    The Airbus bulletin about the choppers which have cost Australia $1.5 billion to buy, was issued after a German operated variant crashed in Africa last month.

    Blades falling of the German helicopter mid flight have since been blamed as the possible cause of the crash that saw the aircraft plunge into the desert from a height of about 500m killing the two crew.

    The Australian Defence Force (ADF) which operates 22 of the Tigers last week said they had not imposed any restrictions on their fleet after the crash.

    But the new bulletin from Airbus released late last week may raise concerns about continuing to fly the two seater choppers on operations.

    The ADF is yet to respond to questions from The Australian asked on Saturday evening about whether any restrictions had come into force since the bulletin was issued.

    The bulletin said “despite the missing information and considering a sudden failure, Airbus Helicopters (AH) declares a unsafe condition for all Tiger versions”.

    “AH can neither identity the part, the failure of which would lead to the accident, nor the origin of the failure (design, manufacturing, maintenance). “Consequently AH is not in a position to propose a protective measure.”

    Australia’s fleet of Tiger helicopters which ran seven years late in reaching final operational capability, have been plagued with problems and are being considered for a mid life upgrade that is estimated to cost between $500 million and $750 million.

    Last week Defence had still not responded to a question on notice asked in a May Defence Estimates Hearing about whether the sustainment costs for the Tiger helicopters had blown out from a budgeted amount of $397 million to $1.3 billion.

    A spokesman would only say that Defence was “actively monitoring sustainment contract of the Tiger helicopter capability to ensure it achieves value for money”.

    “A response to this question on notice will be tabled in Parliament in due course,’’ he said.

    Last year the helicopters were the subject of a scathing Australian National Audit Office report that noted 76 deficiencies with the aircraft.

    The report said of the 76 deficiencies, 60 were deemed by Defence to critical.

    “Other key limitations relate to shipborne operatoin, pilot flying hours, interoperability and communications, airworthiness and the roof mounted sight,’’ said the report.

    The report said as of June last year sustainment costs had blown out from $571 million to $921 billion.

    After the aircraft reached FOC, it was considered by Defence able to be only deployed “in a land based non-permissive”, noted the ANAO report.

    “The relevant documentation and advice to the Defence Minister did not define the meaning of such an environment.”

    From the Comments

    Greg

    Just another example of buying S*** from Europe. Helicopters, submarines (twice) Air warefare destroyers, Landing helicopter dock. When will the Govt put a ban on buying any military equipment from the EU.

    In this instance they should have gone with the proven Apache/Longbow.

    Chris

    What was a German attack chopper doing in Africa? Escorting Asylum Seekers?

  143. alexnoaholdmate

    srr DOES contribute things of value – though if you disagree with his viewpoint you cop a torrent of abuse and are accused of being either a Satanist or an agent of the Clintons (but I repeat myself).

    Monty rarely contributes anything of value at all – but is good entertainment value (I own shares in the rake business). And he’s usually pretty good humoured abiut his constant lies being caught out.

    If I had to choose between them… I honestly couldn’t. They’re both terrible, and yet the Cat wouldn’t be the Cat without them both.

  144. Andreas

    Meals on Wheels people in my area now where hi-vis while delivering meals. Good on them for the service they provide but who knew delivering a meal to the elderly was so dangerous?

  145. Makka, USSR contributes links from various shades of Nazi filth. That is his underlying agenda. There is no alt-right, just operatives who do or do not realise that they are part of a white supremacist terrorism organisation.

    You evidently don’t care. If you had relatives who fought in WW2, they would be ashamed of you.

  146. alexnoaholdmate

    Monty is the house Lefty; srr is the house crank.

    We need them both.

  147. Fergus #2467109, posted on August 13, 2017 at 8:39 am

    I don’t know. I’m only just now getting personally involved.

    I’ve donated money in the past to V360 Australia Ltd, especially when I heard this guy is funding it out of his own pocket and is in huge debt.

    Early next week I’ll be meeting some vets allegedly being looked after by Homes for Heroes but who have been put in an aged care hospice and forgotten.

    I’m investigating those vets and their families who fall through the cracks, in order to create a self-sustaining organisation that helps them transition back to a independent and productive life.

    The Government should be ashamed of itself, but that would require politicians and public servants to be other than self serving.

  148. Geriatric Mayfly

    Meals on Wheels people in my area now where hi-vis while delivering meals. Good on them for the service they provide but who knew delivering a meal to the elderly was so dangerous?

    Have you not heard of the Great Tea Trolley Disaster of ’69?

  149. val majkus

    if you haven’t seen the GetUp article by Brad Norington here’s a bit of cut and paste

    While Shorten said nothing about AWU funding at the time, his sensitivity since then in refusing to confirm he did give the nod to the AWU’s funding of GetUp! surfaced during media coverage of the royal commission into trade union corruption in June 2015.

    It emerged as a side story to another about how the Victorian AWU had agreed to trade off workers’ penalty rates as part of an enterprise deal in which the Cleanevent company agreed to pay the union $25,000 a year.

    The Weekend Australian’s Anthony Klan did some journalistic digging into a $50,000 donation to GetUp! in July 2007 from the company that owned Cleanevent, Jagen Nominees. The donation came four months after Shorten had resigned from the GetUp! board as he prepared to contest the November election as a Labor candidate.

    Klan reported how “concerns have been raised that the donation from Jagen to GetUp! may have been a donation to the AWU by proxy, given Mr Shorten’s links to GetUp!”. He also reported “the Victorian branch of the AWU’s unspecified support for GetUp! before donations were required to be declared”. He reported that Clean­event was “involved in alleged sweetheart deals with the Victorian AWU at the time”.

    Melbourne’s Liberman family, owners of Jagen and previously Cleanevent, refused repeatedly to respond to written questions from Klan, including why the $50,000 donation was made to GetUp!

    Unrelated to the Jagen donation, the AWU was thanked by GetUp! in its first 2005-06 annual report when Shorten was both AWU national and Victorian branch secretary, as well as a director of GetUp!

    Shorten and GetUp! refused to comment to Klan on the nature of the AWU’s support. Was the sensitivity related to the size of the donation? Was it because Shorten was, by 2015, the man who could be Labor’s next prime minister?

    The Weekend Australian is not suggesting Shorten has done anything illegal or inappropriate. Some issues remain unclear, however, despite new confirmation of the AWU’s substantial GetUp! contribution when Shorten was in charge.

    The initial donation of about $100,000 came from the AWU’s national office. Under the union’s rule No 57, a loan, grant or donation cannot be made unless approved by the national executive.

    Several members of the AWU’s national executive from that time confirm that Shorten sought a donation of at least $100,000 for GetUp! in 2005 — and that this amount was provided.

    Others recall it was discussed but have no memory of a vote. The AWU’s current national secretary, Dan Walton, was asked repeatedly this week for details. He said he would ask an office financial manager to check internal accounts, including national executive minutes from 2005-06, where the GetUp! figure would be recorded if approved. He later said that his office was encountering difficulties in obtaining the information.

    One former senior AWU official tells The Weekend Australian: “Bill put in 100k. He was on their board.” Another says he recalled the AWU national office giving GetUp! at least $100,000, possibly much more, at Shorten’s request. He believes the AWU funds came from donations, but funding also possibly came from operating ­expenses.

    According to filed financial reports, the AWU national office’s donations when Shorten was in charge totalled just $1900 in 2004. They rose to $37,000 in 2005 and hit $94,000 in the 2006 financial year, during which the GetUp! donation was made.

    Donations made by the AWU’s Victorian branch, also headed by Shorten, peaked at $83,000 in the same year after totalling $17,000 in the previous 12 months.

    Another former AWU national executive member says he remembers Shorten discussing a proposed donation to GetUp! but he cannot remember the sum, or if it was approved. “It’s got to be put past the union national executive, and that would have caused robust debate if it was suggested,” he says.

    Two others concur with this view. Another recalls GetUp! funding was raised by Shorten at an AWU national executive meeting in 2005. “Bill had a habit of raising things and then you’d find out about it later,” he says.

    Tim Dixon, politcal director of advocacy group Purpose, set up by GetUp co-founder Jeremy Heimans.
    Tim Dixon, politcal director of advocacy group Purpose, set up by GetUp co-founder Jeremy Heimans.
    The Weekend Australian asked Shorten to comment on why the AWU donated a large sum of union members’ funds to GetUp! when he was in charge, and whether he recalled if those funds were donated under rule 57 requiring approval of the AWU’s national executive. The Opposition Leader was also asked if he recalled any funds to GetUp! going through the AWU’s Victorian branch, or if the funds came from the national office only. Almost seven hours after Shorten’s office received the questions, the Labor leader did not offer his recollections. Instead, a spokesman for Shorten said that he did not have that sort of historical information at hand, adding: “You’d have to ask AWU.”

    Others are not so coy about the seed funding for GetUp! John Robertson, as head of Unions NSW — a state union council, so not a union as such — has always been upfront that he contributed $50,000 from his organisation. Robertson, who later became NSW opposition leader, was the first donor to GetUp! in December 2004 — eight months before its official launch. He recalls that GetUp! had four main seed donors including the AWU.

    Sources familiar with the initial funding for GetUp! say wealthy hi-tech entrepreneur and former Victorian Labor MP Evan Thornley provided more than $100,000. Thornley concurs but cannot recall the precise figure.

    Joe Skrzynski, the chairman of CHAMP Private Equity and former SBS chairman, is said by GetUp! insiders to have been an early donor, giving around the same sum as Thornley.

    It has become GetUp! folklore — even mentioned by Wikipedia — that US-Hungarian investor and left-wing philanthropist George Soros injected a big wad of cash to help start the group.

    Soros backed a similar US activist organisation, MoveOn.org, which has links to the Democratic Party. The two Australian-born founders of GetUp! did work for Soros-backed advocacy groups in New York, and still do.

    But sources familiar with the seed funding for GetUp! say claims that Soros was one of its start-up benefactors are false. It is possible, however, that Soros has indirectly contributed money since then by channelling funds through Avaaz, an “international campaigning outfit” started by Heimans and Madden in 2007. Avaaz has given almost $200,000 to GetUp! in recent years. Despite spreading his wings aboard with Madden, Heimans has remained a GetUp! board member.

    ….

    GetUp! churned through a series of overworked staff, many with Labor connections. When donations were disclosed after 2007, GetUp! stressed it was funded mainly by small individual donors — but there were big ones in the background too.

    Unions donors included the Community and Public Sector Union ($50,000), the Australian Services Union ($35,000) and the Australian Education Union ($40,000). The biggest GetUp! donation came from the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union just before the 2010 federal election when it gave $1.12 million that was earmarked to fund a TV ad attacking Tony Abbott’s “archaic” views on women. GetUp! said it always intended to run the ad, but the funding vastly expanded its exposure.

  150. Stimpson J. Cat

    USSR accuses opponents of being Stasi when the people he is defending walk the streets of America wearing swastikas, chanting Nazi slogans, attacking counter-protestors, and killing them with ISIS-style terrorism tactics. And people like Makka still profess to be on the side of this Nazi scum. Disgraceful.

    Where were the Police Monty?
    Why were they allowing cars near protestors?
    This could have been resolved easily.
    Yet it was again allowed to escalate.
    Why?
    Rocks are getting thrown at cars and some Muppet goes berserk.
    What the f$ck did they think would happen?
    It is their job to maintain order.
    F$cking disgraceful.
    No excuses.

  151. egg_

    Alinskyite tactics apologies

  152. Snoopy

    Sane, reasonable observers of the violence in Charlottesville would find Abbott’s assessment of the belligerents in the Syrian conflict apposite.

    It’s not goodies versus baddies – it’s baddies versus baddies.

    But Monty criticises srr for believing it’s a case of goodies versus baddies while holding the exact same view.

    Just as well breathing doesn’t require any self-awareness.

  153. woolfe

    Les Deplorables‏ @woolfe 1h1 hour ago

    Mystery guest on @QandA will Prakash

  154. val majkus

    an interesting comment to the GetUp article

    Therese 18 HOURS AGO
    This $100,000 payment by Shorten coincides with Thiess in January 2005 agreeing to pay the AWU Vic branch $100,000 each year for three years for bogus services by the union on Melbourne’s Eastlink project for industrial peace. This evidence came up in TURC. It would seem that Shorten then would have had a spare $100,000 for GetUp whose top four campaign spends for 2005/6 are shown as climate change, ABC and media ownership, refugees, and industrial relations. GetUp in its 2005/6 annual report has a coloured graph on its campaign spends. Its circular graph has 11 segments but only shows spends on 10 campaigns. A 15% spend is unaccounted for.

  155. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Government should be ashamed of itself, but that would require politicians and public servants to be other than self serving.

    There is a Veterans and Veterans families Counseling service, which was set up by Viet Nam veterans, in the first place.

  156. Diogenes

    Roger Franklin:
    Classical music is a hotbed of masculinist oppression, according to a professor at Sydney Conservatory, who is calling for each and every concert bill to be split 50:50 between male and female composers. Performance quotas, she asserts, are needed tools to “re-imagine legitimacy”

    As I was coming home from the airport yesterday, and as I forgot the iPod I put Classic Fm. Maggot Throsby was interviewing Elena Kats-Chunder , I didn’t mind the ‘male’ music she chose (Sarte etc) , but her music was execrable. Later on I had to dash down to Gosford Hobbies, and was listening to Simone Young (conductor) who was doing a 20 year anniversary concert with WASO , liked the Hayden, didn’t mind the Brahms Hayden variations – loathed the new shit she chose (its up to us to champion otherwise it won’t be hear – well it was absolute crap & if I had attended I would have walked out).

    Then again I wouldn’t mind concerts featuring more Hildegard von Bingen, Fanny Mendelsohn, Clara Schubert , but we will get Elene Cats-Chunder and Maggot Hil.

  157. srr

    😆 –

    Snoopy
    #2467176, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:13 am

    The Deep State is onto you, srr.

    For what?

    Still bothering to click on the Oz’s paywalled links?

    Handing rakes to m0nty?

    Then they’re onto everyone 🙂 😆

  158. Stimpson J. Cat

    He is a hopeless psychopath.

    You wouldn’t know a psychopath even if one sold you donuts Monty.

  159. egg_

    Never the Nambucca Heads caravan park with the proletariat.

    The Caravan Park couldn’t afford the power bill for the Scote’s sun lamp?
    Did he lend one to sTan Grant?

  160. Makka

    alex, there are plenty of leftists who rely on useful idiots to welcome them in. mUnty is a leftist turd who believes in everything vile the filth espouse. Cuddle up to him if it makes you feel better.

    mUnty, don’t stop being a moron. It’s your greatest gift to the Cat.

  161. incoherent rambler

    RICO laws rather than fiddling with industrial laws is the way to bring down the likes of the CFMEU.

    With RICO laws, the Industry super funds, the ALP and the LP would also be in a lot of trouble.

  162. srr

    ummm … yeah …

    Makka
    #2467181, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:19 am
    He is a hopeless psychopath.

    Who is far more valued here than you mUnty, you perennial fkwit.

    … should I bother scrolling back to look for that bloodied rake I so carelessly left lying around, or just trust that the prongs remain safely embedded in m0nty’s fat foot 😀

  163. egg_

    Insiders ends with the Tim Minchin song.

    They must read the Cat?

    What was the number – another rendition of ‘Timmeh! Timmeh! Timmeh!‘?

  164. Mike of Marion

    Monty ‘lecturing’ srr – staggering hypocrisy!!

    Keep it going srr

  165. Okay, so far we have Cats blaming the following people for today’s murderous Nazi terrorism:
    – Obama
    – Soros
    – Alinsky
    – Police
    – Antifa

    People not blamed by Cats for today’s murderous Nazi terrorism, in fact defended by Cats:
    – Nazis

  166. woolfe

    Relax Monty my man/woman/person that does not wish to sex identify,

    As i said above you have more chance of being killed by a free falling kelvinator than a KKK in a dodge charger

  167. cohenite

    dover_beach

    #2466986, posted on August 12, 2017 at 11:44 pm

    People need to understand, the attempt to redefine marriage is an attempt to erase the heterosexual character of marriage itself

    Listening to talkback and the good people who comment about the issue in terms of “what’s the big deal”, “everyone should be equal” and my favourite “it’s no one’s business” suggests to me the plebescite or whatever its being called is a shoe in.

    Support for ssm has been a masterclass in bullshit advocacy and the appeal to the sheeple and their desire to do good at no cost to themselves has been brilliantly done.

    It is just too complicated and esoteric to convince people that ssm is a front for sinister ideologies. We’ll just have to wait to see what rabbits howard and abbott can pull out of their backsides. At this stage they are the under-dogs.

  168. Makka

    I see pea brained mUnty is expressing his outrage by Charlottesville events. Like, totally Outraged!

    Yet, strangely continues his silence about his support for the daily slaughter of defenceless babies. Hoping his raging hypocrisy will go unnoticed?

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Terrorist Prakash asks Canberra for help

    Aaron Bunch
    Australian Associated Press
    9:36AM August 13, 2017

    Australia’s most wanted terrorist, Neil Prakash, is receiving Australian consular assistance from his maximum-security prison cell in Turkey.

    Health Minister, Greg Hunt, told Seven’s Sunrise program the government’s focus was the intelligence information about ISIS Prakash could share.

    “That’s our interest, precisely so as to protect Australians at home and abroad,” he said.

    The Melbourne-born Islamic State recruiter, arrested on October 24, told Turkish authorities he married a Dutch jihadi bride while fighting in Syria and the couple have two children who may be entitled to Australian citizenship, News Corp has reported.

    Julie Bishop confirmed consular officials in Turkey are providing “basic” assistance to Mr Prakash.

    From the Oz.

  170. cohenite

    val majkus

    #2467210, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:48 am

    if you haven’t seen the GetUp article by Brad Norington here’s a bit of cut and paste

    They’re so well organised. Gramsci and Alinsky have done well in their modern incarnations. In the meantime the conservatives are disorganised, weak, full of infighting and undermined by quislings.

  171. JC

    Monster

    Who will you blame when the next leftwinger goes postal?

  172. Snoopy

    the couple have two children who may be entitled to Australian citizenship,

    Another excellent reason for gay marriage to get the nod. These adorable muppets, virtually orphans, could be adopted by newly married gays.

  173. Nick

    The Government should be ashamed of itself, but that would require politicians and public servants to be other than self serving.

    Sad but true. The amount of money that is spent on homelessness as an example, is largely a result of PR. Why returned servicemen don’t receive similar PR is astonishing and shameful.

  174. John Constantine

    Bolta has Winston Peters, the Maori politician on the repeat, New Zealand First party.

    He outright mentions the threat of New Zealand exports being boycotted if they stop paying protection money to the Injustice League of Climate Despots.

  175. Interesting. I just got blocked by @adam10stafford on this thread. A perfect metaphor of the discussion preferred by proponents of marriage redefinition.

  176. srr

    Now Tom … tut tut …

    Tom
    #2467186, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:25 am

    The Deep State is onto you, srr.

    Snoopy, just because you can’t see the black helicopters doesn’t mean srr can’t see them.

    How does The Australian’s web site having a meltdown over people clicking in the very hot, AMA Against SS’M’, story, become Deep State and Black Helicopters?

    I’d say, also considering Turnbull’s turn around on SS’M’, there might be quite a flood of people trying to get onto that page all of a sudden and clagging it up.

  177. Snoopy

    Beware the Cycling Foodie, DB!

  178. srr

    … but while we’re on the related topic …

    Jordan B Peterson – Google is SJW cesspool

  179. I see Makka thinks “but abortion!” is a winning argument when he has no other thought. Which is most of the time. So lazy, and tone deaf to reality where the debate on abortion was comprehensively lost by the conservatives decades ago.

    No Makka, you are supporting Nazis, there is no subject change.

  180. notafan

    I take it that Malmonty takes full responsibility for attacks by the left, no matter where in the world they occur if he demands that anyone on the conservative side of politics takes responsibility for attacks by so called right wing extremists.

    I do remember Malmonty going spare over the alleged attack by an alleged right wing extremist in California, which turned out to be a nothingburger.

    Maybe this one is exactly what it looks like and if so it reprehensible.

    But do not forget that the ‘rise of the right wing extremist’ is the result of years and years of the left running free to do as they wish, and a google of excuses made for muslim terrorism, which Malmonty either pretends is a fantasy, to whit, his demands for a srr funded holiday in Malmo or a righteous response to the most terrible epidemic of human suffering by muslims at the hands of western civilization (the lands of whom they continue to invade, by the tens of thousands) meanwhile their feted thought leaders can spout all the hateful rhetoric they like, they can even call for white genocide while Malmonty doesn’t turn a hair.

    There is a chance, a very slim one that one day Monty will get his self-satisfied fathead out of his proverbial, I suspect it will take close to home participation in the reality of the islam he claims is somewhere on a scale of benign to overburdened victim .

  181. So lazy, and tone deaf to reality where the debate on abortion was comprehensively lost by the conservatives decades ago.

    Yes, yes, this explains why we are constantly being warned of the ‘War on women’. But Macca has a point, why should he be lectured to by people who think they would have been morally justified to kill their own children in utero for any or no reason at all and at any stage before birth.

  182. Andreas

    People not blamed by Cats for today’s murderous Nazi terrorism, in fact defended by Cats:
    – Nazis

    So it’s like the Left every time there’s an Islamic terrorist attack?

  183. notafan

    So lazy, and tone deaf to reality where the debate on abortion was comprehensively lost by the conservatives decades ago.

    Tone deaf?

    Really?

    Losing the ‘debate’ is what matters here to you, not the lives of the innocent unborn, you would cheerfully allow a women to terminate your child at the momemt of it’s birth would you Monty?

    Because the debate is won!

    This is Monty’s post truth in all it’s glory.

    You do know, despite your protestations about the stuck ‘dead’ baby that partial birth abortion is a thing?

    you monstrous amoral little man

  184. Rabz

    Great work, Riccardo. Excellent use of subtle venom which didn’t obscure the argument.

    What a pack of brown nosing plonkers they are.

  185. Makka

    I see Makka thinks “but abortion!” is a winning argument when he has no other thought.

    More airswings mUnty. My winning argument is that it’s common knowledge you’re a useless hypocritical moron. Of no value. No subject change there at all.

    So while you may think you’re pithy rejoinders are riveting, in reality you’re simply a leftist POS who deserves every flogging you invite here.

  186. Stimpson J. Cat

    But by 11 a.m., after both sides had made their way to Emancipation Park, the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling.
    Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and the police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air. One of the white nationalists left the park bleeding, his head wrapped in gauze.

    Now why would the Police do that?

  187. John Constantine

    Zimbo-stralia.

    In Zimbabwe, it is open season on racist colonial outpost farms, seeing invasions by crazed leftists with government support crippling food production in what was the breadbasket of the region.

    In Australia, crazed leftists with government backing have launched the clearances of racist colonial outpost farms from the irrigation area of the Murray Darling Basin.

    Now, using the bio-terrorism threat from the islamic state as an entry point, an army of government drone montys will descend on the livestock producers of Australia, purging all Nazis and racists and the unsound Rhodesian style colonial clingers from the industry, using regulation and compliance to sweep in a regime of union super funded funded centrally planned Stalinist mega-super-farms.

  188. I take it that Malmonty takes full responsibility for attacks by the left, no matter where in the world they occur if he demands that anyone on the conservative side of politics takes responsibility for attacks by so called right wing extremists.

    Not quite, nota. I was originally railing against USSR using the Charlottesville Nazi terrorism incident as a pretext to attack Obama. That seemed supremely cheeky to me.

    I’m not asking for sackcloth and ashes here. All I am saying is that maybe, in the context of a murderous Nazi terrorism incident at a pro-Trump rally, you can shut up for today about the vast left-wing conspiracy. Have a bit of awareness about how that looks. Defending Nazi terrorists means you are not on the side of the good guys.

  189. Tel

    Where were the Police Monty?
    Why were they allowing cars near protestors?
    This could have been resolved easily.
    Yet it was again allowed to escalate.

    If the reports are accurate, there were quite a lot of police out there on the day, with all the riot gear, etc. For a while they were successfully partitioning the two crowds and keeping them within the suitable areas.

    However, partway through the protest, the police lost control of the BLM / Anfita crowd and those people started moving rapidly and filling up the roads. Whether the police gave up, or could have done better is difficult to say; depends very much who you listen to. I’m sure more details will come out in due course.

    My best guess is that this was a road-rage incident with someone just wanting to drive through there and getting pissed off at everyone in the way. I don’t condone that of course, but I doubt the motive was either political or planned in advance. Then again, that’s merely a guess.

  190. Bill Thompson

    Mark Dreyfus seems to have been all talk when it came to stopping for a chat after “Insiders” this morning – I was waiting out the front, after Barrie’s butt-smooching excuse for an “interview” when I spotted a bloke in a blue suit emerging from the back of their ABC & getting into a car parked further up Southbank Blvd. I didn’t get up there in time to confirm if it was Mark but it’s just the sort of thing “Billy Backdoor” Shorten gets up to when I’m around…

    https://youtu.be/-ZMgtySkfjs

  191. Rabz

    Defending Nazi terrorists means you are not on the side of the good guys.

    So how’s about you cease and desist doing it then, you hypocritical dunderhead?

    Your defending those loathsome antifag fascists is inexcusable.

  192. notafan

    All I am saying is that maybe, in the context of a murderous Nazi terrorism incident at a pro-Trump rally, you can shut up for today about the vast left-wing conspirac

    Why should I shut up about anything for a minute, let along a day?

    On the other hand if you were to shut up everything islam or the left committed a heinous crime you would be in a perpetual cone of silence.

  193. Rabz

    And no, I don’t give a rodent’s backside about what allegedly happened in Charlottesville either, you distraction squirrel fondling numptie.

  194. Stimpson J. Cat

    Whether the police gave up, or could have done better is difficult to say;

    No it is not.
    At all.

  195. Makka

    mUnty: Defending Nazi terrorists

    Lol. The fantasies in your head don’t stop, do they mUnty. Like the sick one that babies aren’t human so therefore it’s A ok to chop them up.

  196. You do know, despite your protestations about the stuck ‘dead’ baby that partial birth abortion is a thing?

    It was a meme dreamed up by conservatives to pretend that policy for a minuscule minority of edge cases should be extended to all cases. No one outside your echo chamber is listening to that kind of extremist rhetoric, nota. That genie escaped the bottle decades ago.

  197. Tel

    The fantasies in your head don’t stop, do they mUnty.

    He needs to whip up the false narrative as quickly as possible.

    I suppose no one mentioned that the BLM / Antifa fascist groups were breaking the law that day because they had no permit to protest at all. They also bypassed the police barrier in order to rush onto the roads. They also were seen throwing rocks, using pepper spray and other violent activity. There’s absolutely no doubt that they were intentionally out there to cause trouble.

  198. Senile Old Guy

    Listening to talkback and the good people who comment about the issue in terms of “what’s the big deal”, “everyone should be equal” and my favourite “it’s no one’s business” suggests to me the plebescite or whatever its being called is a shoe in.

    I

    I suspect those intending to vote “no” did not want to go on radio and get abused.

  199. notafan

    Of course Raymond Birdman, I bet you can’t think of any other groups of people declared to be non human either.

    Perhaps you should do a little travelling and see what the world looks like with your own eyes instead of indulging your gluttonous appetite for conspiracy sites.

    Not only is what happens around the world one big monstrous conspiracy but the same conspiracy has been perpetuated for 1400 years, in every land that islam has touched.


    Archbishop Warda was lying then and he is lying now

  200. Makka

    You advocated that mUnty should be allowed back here, JC. He’s your lunch mate.

    Maybe you should STFU for a change.

  201. egg_

    People not blamed by Cats for today’s murderous Nazi terrorism, in fact defended by Cats:
    – Nazis

    Is Monster having a Godwin’s seizure?

  202. The driver of the car, a 20-year-old white ex-military Republican called James Fields of Ohio, has been charged with second-degree murder.

  203. egg_

    Meals on Wheels people in my area now where hi-vis while delivering meals. Good on them for the service they provide but who knew delivering a meal to the elderly was so dangerous?

    Have you not heard of the Great Tea Trolley Disaster of ’69?

    Bristow’s Great Tea Trolley Disaster of ’67?

  204. Makka

    The driver of the car, a 20-year-old white ex-military Republican called James Fields of Ohio, has been charged with second-degree murder.

    Testicles has new competitor for most racist scumbag at the Cat.

    Take your vile mate out to lunch, JC. He’s stinking up the Cat.

  205. Snoopy

    I suppose no one mentioned that the BLM / Antifa fascist groups were breaking the law that day because they had no permit to protest at all.

    Antifa holds a perpetual social licence to inflict violence on society’s enemies granted to them by an eternally grateful American public.

  206. stackja

    Parenting advice: How to handle raising boys
    SUSIE O’BRIEN, Sunday Herald Sun
    August 12, 2017 8:00pm
    Subscriber only

    PARENTS of boys need to make sure they give them routines and boundaries, but also be patient with them because they will deliberately break the rules.

    A Sunday Herald Sun special report today reveals the blueprint to raising happy, confident boys to be young men.

    Author Michael Grose said parents needed to monitor boys’ aggression, but make sure their sons had confidence so they could flourish at school.

    He said a lack of confidence could be a major hurdle as boys aged.

    Grose has written 10 parenting books and delivered talks to thousands of parents across Australia.

    Benjamin Spock wrote books too.
    How did parents know what to do before these ‘experts’?

  207. notafan

    A ‘meme’ that has resulted in legal bans in many states of the US but afaik is legal in Victoria.

    And you don’t get it, being vacuumed out of the womb at 12 weeks is just hideous as been injected with potassium chloride at 22 weeks and being removed more or less intact. It yust demonstrates how truly evil the abortion lobby is.

    it is your side of the debate that insisted for years that the unborn was some sort of clump of cells when the science clearly shows that they are human and were human from the moment of conception.

    As a father of two that you acknowledged publicly as your children the moment you knew of their existence in the womb your apparent cognitive dissonance is both dishonest and disgraceful.

  208. herodotus

    Heard on the ABC (who had no issue with it):
    SA government now characterises resistance to their bold power schemes as “hanging on to the past and not embracing the future”.
    Yes, we do wish to hang on to the reliable and affordable power that seems increasingly to be a “thing of the past”.

  209. notafan

    Pointing it out just demonstrated that you are willfully blind Raymond Birdman.

  210. Makka

    Nota :As a father of two [mUnty] that you acknowledged publicly as your children the moment you knew of their existence in the womb your apparent cognitive dissonance is both dishonest and disgraceful.

    Well said and exactly the point. Anyone who for a millisecond considers mUnty’s verbal diarrhoea contains any sense or credence should also consider Nota’s point. mUnty has zero credibility therefore zero value.

  211. incoherent rambler

    Incoherent Rambler
    Catallaxy Associated Press
    9:36AM August 13, 2017

    Australia’s most wanted horrorist, Mick Trumble, is receiving Australian taxpayer assistance from his maximum-security fortress in Pt. Piper.

    A spokeman for the Catallaxy government in exile Mr. Rabz said: “All avenues are being explored to get this imbecile out of government and out of the country and into a containment facility as soon as possible.

    First published CAP

  212. Fisky

    Defending Nazi terrorists means you are not on the side of the good guys.

    m0nty was defending political violence against Nazis until about 5 minutes ago. Now he’s whining that a Nazi just ran over a bunch of Leftists in a car. How dumb can you get!

  213. Fisky

    Who on earth could have predicted that calls for political violence would be met by…political violence. Well done, the Left! You own this 100%.

  214. notafan

    Your reality, not reality reality.

    Silly old fool in a tin foil hat.

  215. Fisky

    I think Trump’s statement today was well-balanced, and his words appropriately chosen. Very presidential!

  216. cohenite

    Raymond Francis

    #2467286, posted on August 13, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    Its only reality but I like to stick with it. And the reality is that you cannot find a major Muslim terrorist attack. Just like much of the commie attacks in Europe were created by NATO itself. Just like antifa is largely a Soros creation.

    That’s interesting.

  217. Makka

    Get help Bird/Raymond. Or go back on your meds.

  218. cohenite

    Muslim woman who was forced to removed her hijab by Californian police has been awarded $85,000 (£65,000).

    Kirsty Powell filed a lawsuit against Long Beach City Council after she was made to take off her headscarf following her arrest in 2015.

    Ms Powell’s repeated requests to be dealt with by a female officer were ignored, and she spent the night in custody without her headscarf.

    The department has since changed its policy on religious headwear.

    Female officers are now required to remove headscarves, away from male officers and inmates, and only “when necessary for officer safety”, Long Beach assistant city attorney Monte Machit told the Los Angeles Times.

    http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/dollar85k-for-muslim-made-to-remove-hijab/ar-AApW2ne?ocid=ientp

  219. incoherent rambler

    Shorten
    Not a bad likeness.

  220. Overburdened:

    Re the kerfuffle about a pollie’s comments about homos and their unsavoury habits with a reference to them being a vector for disease, said pollie now states he has revised his position.

    Actually, I believe he has a very good point.
    I advance the subject for further discussion:

    Considering the risk to public health, should anal intercourse be made illegal, and those who declare themselves to be Homosexualists, be guilty of Statutory Buggery and confined to an STD Hospital/Camp until they are free of any sexually transmissible disease?*

    *Just in case you haven’t guessed, I would vote, as a Public Health Measure, of course, for the motion.

  221. Fisky

    It’s always terrible whenever there is blowback, but, as Noam Chomksy said about Islamic terrorism, if you stick your hand in a hornet’s nest…

    I guess the Left will just have to live with the fact it unleashed political violence first. Own it.

  222. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2467170, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:01 am
    I see USSR is going all in on defending murderous Nazi terrorism today. There is no shame in him. He is a hopeless psychopath.

    Whereas m0nty has not yet been able to bring himself to condemn the many crimes of murderous communism.

    There is no shame in him. He is a hopeless psychopath.

  223. Your reality, not reality reality.

    Righto then nota, I guess I’m just imagining the massive boredom the public has with anti-abortion crusaders. There is no debate left, the conservatives lost bigly, everyone moved on except the flat-earthers.

    But sure, keep on bringing it up when asked about completely unrelated subjects as if it’s an instant win in every argument.

  224. Boambee John

    Stuck your neck out there m0nty!

  225. Makka

    I guess the Left will just have to live with the fact it unleashed political violence first.

    Zero value mUnty is strangely silent on this point.

  226. Myrddin Seren

    Similar recruitment targets apply across Navy and air force, with concession made for some jobs, such as Navy Clearance Diver, in which “ATSI (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander) male candidates may still apply”.

    It’s over.

    If the only way for a bloke to get in to the clearance divers is to tick the ‘First Nations’ box, then we are at most a year away from SAS and Commandoes being ‘diversified’.

    The taxpayer is paying over the odds for ‘customised’ kit that never seems to function in a way that would possibly be viable in combat ( see upthread on the Tiger chopper fiasco – to add to a lonnnng list ).

    And now the powers-that-be are going to make damned sure the human element is incapable of Australia being able to commit to anything other than clearing roads after a cyclone.

    The military has been de-militarised as a whole-of-government, uniparty policy.

    One would like to think that maybe outright corruption would explain at least the ridiculous hardware purchases, but Australian politicians are so hopeless it looks like they can be bought for a trip to Europe, free coffee mug and a pat on the head.

  227. srr

    alexnoaholdmate
    #2467204, posted on August 13, 2017 at 10:46 am

    srr DOES contribute things of value – though if you disagree with his viewpoint you cop a torrent of abuse and are accused of being either a Satanist or an agent of the Clintons (but I repeat myself).

    Incorrect alexblahblah.

    When people attack “me”, personally, as a distraction from content I post that they don’t want discussed or considered, I will point out the many and varied Alinskyite & Stasi-esque tactics they’ve used, and that they are generally a pretty good indicator that the topics they’re trying to distract from, are worth consideration.

    That more often than not, I only have to make a general comment about control team tactics to have a stream of bitter stalkers jumping in to self identify as fitting those descriptions they so violently object to, really says it all though 😉 😆

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