The Gipper one more time

Update: Brendan O’Neill on the various hate groups.

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36 Responses to The Gipper one more time

  1. Haidee

    Greatest of all modern presidents
    ‘in some respects, an historical oddity, his political and cultural presence obscured by the Clinton psychodrama and the Bush dynasty . . . aloof, focused on a few important themes, delegating everything else.’

  2. Yohan

    It was easy to be against white supremacists and hate groups back in Gippers day, when you lived in a 90% white country. I mean, who cares for white identity politics and tribalism when you are the ethnic majority?

    But now with the US white population down to 60% (and soon to be a minority) due to open borders mass illegal immigration, things have changed drastically.

    So before dining out on the Gipper once again, imagine what an early 80’s Gipper would think about the state of the US today if he had a time machine.

  3. Mr Black

    Brendan doesn’t seem to know what he is talking about. Whites are not demanding to be the top of the victim pole, they are demanding an end to racial and gender quotas that always, ALWAYS sacrifice white men for the benefit of those who cannot compete on merit. They are asking for fair and equal treatment by the media, by the courts, in college and everywhere else there is a cultural movement to deny them what they have earned and are entitled to. They are tired of seeing immigrant gangs move in to their neighbourhoods and sit on welfare, which white men have the ‘honour’ of paying for. Whites have been taken for granted and as such, have been taken advantage of by the entire political spectrum for decades. They are starting a pushback to reclaim what should be theirs. ‘Victims’ is leftist talk, whites take care of themselves.

  4. max

    A government big and powerful enough to cause widespread psychosis after presidential elections is a government without much legitimacy. People become irrational about politics precisely because government depressingly controls so much of our lives. It chooses winners and losers. It is the superstar player in American society, rather than the referee.

    Let us consider political secession, radical decentralization, nullification, and localism as the realistic alternatives to a much more unpleasant conflict. Let us reconsider living as a loose confederation of states. 320 million vastly diverse people, from Anchorage to San Francisco to Topeka to Miami, cannot be governed by a top-down central authority in Washington.

    Surely divorce, in whole or in part, is better than an abusive marriage.
    https://mises.org/blog/america-really-coming-apart-charles-murray-suggests

  5. Zyconoclast

    Some identitarian and race realists that Ive read and heard, just want to be left alone to do their thing without goverment coersion to integrate. They also want to keep their tax dollars for themselves.

    This sounds very “libertarian” to me.

  6. Warty

    I totally agree with you Mr Black.
    The editor in chief of Spiked, Brendan O’Neill’s forte is freedom of speech, but he is essentially centre left, and he has a tendency to stereotype those on the right. He rather likes the rather meaningless label ‘far right’, which when translated means ‘I don’t think you should follow anything they say’.

  7. Warty

    Following the inauguration of the President who wasn’t supposed to be President, the bulk of the hatred, the overwhelming number of violent protests have been coming from the left, and in particular the extremist elements within the left movement/s. What has been unremarkable about these is that they haven’t managed to give rise to the hysteria this flare-up in Charlottesville has given rise to.
    Earlier today we read an entirely biased article by a Jeffery Tucker, more inclined to implicate the right in the exercise of ‘bad ideas’ than the left. If one is prepared to leave aside ‘Deplorable’ labels and examine the reasons for the rise of a Trump, and you’ll find a hugely significant group that have felt entirely marginalised, certainly for the last eight and a bit years, but extending beyond that into the era of the Bush administrations, the Clinton administration and don’t even mention people like Carter. Cuck conservatives have no more helped their cause than outright socialists like Obama, and they’d had a gut full, and still the MSM seeks to dish it out to them, as though a change of administrations didn’t really matter a damn.
    Nobody condones somebody so incensed he reverses his car into AntiFa protestors, and it seems many of them more likely were. But the fact that the MSM explodes into unrestrained frenzy over it, overlooking the sort of violence at UC Berkeley, seems a tad unbalanced. In context, the seemingly more restrained Tucker article seems part of that MSM battery aimed at Trump and his supporters, and the momentum to force Trump to blame one side rather than the two he did, seems far worse than irrational: it smells overwhelmingly of swamp.

  8. JC

    I agree with Brendon if the universe was in equilibrium, but it’s not. The left has won every cultural and economic battle since WW2. It owns almost every institutional sector. It’s not a battle of equals.

  9. JC

    It’s okay to refer to whites, particularly white men as inferior. You will get fired and ostracized if a white person/male throws the same sort of argument against other groups.

  10. C.L.

    A boilerplate equivalency theory from O’Neill.
    SJWs – let’s call them communists, which is what they are – had the presidency for the past eight years. Comparing them to a bunch of hillbillies who want to fly Confederate flags is just dumb.
    You don’t have to be a “white nationalist” to be sick of gay and black special pleading.
    It isn’t imaginary; it’s a fact. Anyone who denies that fact is delusional.
    This latest brouhaha began when local leftists decided to destroy a statue of Robert E. Lee.
    Just like ISIS. If you go into people’s communities and cultures and start destroying them, there will be consequences. The death toll from Occupy, BLM, Antifa and Planned Parenthood is so massive that it compares to historical atrocities in wars or dictatorships. I lament that a person has been killed at the hands of a moron but citing that death for the purposes of concocting an equivalency narrative is self-evidently fatuous.

  11. Driftforge

    And… this is why we are where we are today. Because of the ‘battle against discrimination’ they now have to deal with identity politics burgeoning in their society, resulting in the tensions we see erupting into the scuffles and what not that are occurring.

    The experiment in ‘what happens if we invert societies normal methods of assimilation’ has been run and we see the inevitable result before us.

    Pity nobody was permitted to run the counter-case.

  12. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The left’s destructive game plan, to destroy our culture and people, has been working since the 70s.

    The right’s nationalism is a valid response and in fact the only rational response to the genocidal aims of the left.

  13. Ellen of Tasmania

    The sad thing is that once people decide to have a war based on race, you can no longer choose which – or whether – side you are on.

    Remember when Lady Justice wore a blindfold?

    Perhaps the blindest of the blind were those who didn’t see this coming.

    Religion/worldview + time = culture. It’s not the skin colour – it’s your underlying worldview, values and moral compass. The west is falling apart. All so tragic and unnecessary.

  14. rickw

    The Left are clearly clearly concerned that everyone else might start punching back in the way that they have been punching. Their only counter is to attempt to brand everyone opposed to them a “white supremacist” unfortunately for them, no one gives a fuck anymore.

  15. tgs

    Gee, more rationalisation and whatabout-ism like the other thread.

    Stay classy, catallaxy.

  16. Boambee John

    Back in 2002 a woman (possibly black, based on her other books) US professor Carol Swain wrote a book The New White Nationalism in America forecasting much of this, and warning against the kind of extremes that SJ Wankers continued to implement.

  17. Boambee John

    Posted too quickly.

    The chickens are coming home to roost, much as she forecast. Not sure what the outcome will be, but either civil war or secession by various groups seem possible.

  18. John Constantine

    The livestock producers of Australia have been told that the country is now so enriched by diversity that every livestock producer must begin spending tens of thousands of dollars building biosecurity fences around their livestock, because the risk of bioterrorism, from either leftist indoctrinated political bioterrorists, or islamic theological bioterrorists is high and building higher every month.

    Our diversity is our strength.

    Billions of dollars of economic stimulus and big government diversity wymynsys jobs, funded by taxes on deplorables, Bioterrorism is a gravy train, Comrades.

  19. Roger

    ‘Victims’ is leftist talk, whites take care of themselves.

    So did blacks before the “Great Society”.

    Strong churches & strong families, a resilient culture undermined by the welfare state.

    The same acid is now corroding white culture.

  20. Michael Muscat

    Cuckservaatives don’t have a problem with white genocide, in fact they welcome and encourage it.

  21. gbees

    My wife’s still not getting the message on equality. I still am required to open the car door, the front door, pay the lunch bill etc. Unless of course when it comes to the chores around the home. Apparently I am equally bound to do them as well as head off to work each day. I’m confused by these cries for equality.

  22. H B Bear

    Strong churches & strong families, a resilient culture undermined by the welfare state.
    The same acid is now corroding white culture.

    Exactly as planned. Marxist trannies are in primary schools for a reason.

  23. Warty

    Brillant comments C.L. and I love your‘boilerplate equivalency theory’ trope. Why ‘boilerplate’?

  24. cohenite

    Mr Black

    #2469043, posted on August 14, 2017 at 11:02 pm

    +100

  25. .

    Yohan
    #2469021, posted on August 14, 2017 at 10:43 pm
    It was easy to be against white supremacists and hate groups back in Gippers day, when you lived in a 90% white country. I mean, who cares for white identity politics and tribalism when you are the ethnic majority?

    But now with the US white population down to 60% (and soon to be a minority) due to open borders mass illegal immigration, things have changed drastically.

    So before dining out on the Gipper once again, imagine what an early 80’s Gipper would think about the state of the US today if he had a time machine.

    Jesus Christ, what happened to you? Wake up to yourself.

  26. mh

    Sinclair, putting a Lefty’s comments in large type doesn’t make them any more important.

  27. The commentors above…..that’s why I love me some Catallaxy every day.
    Thanx Sinc.

  28. Yohan

    Jesus Christ, what happened to you? Wake up to yourself

    I’m accurately describing a phenomenon that is going on right now, which is the the growth of white racial identity politics, I’m not saying I agree with it.

    Racial identity politics occurs in every country that has no clear ethnic majority. If there is 80% or more of one ethnic group, there is no need for ethnic identity politics. But once there is no clear ethnic majority, all politics becomes about racial and tribal groups. Breakdown in national cohesion and solidarity will ensue.

    Examples of this around the world, and in history, are clear. Proponents of mass multiculturalism ignored this reality.

    I am not a white nationalist, I want a multi cultural society, but limited to only 10-20% non white of the total population.

  29. Yohan

    Its a shame that Sinc did not post Brendan O’Neills more insightful and pertinent tweet about how we got here….

    https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/896798322236805122

  30. Peter Campion

    Baa Humbug
    #2469430, posted on August 15, 2017 at 12:28 pm
    The commentors above…..that’s why I love me some Catallaxy every day.
    Thanx Sinc.

    Ditto.
    Best read when the thread has matured.

  31. stackja

    Most Democrats didn’t accept Lincoln’s election.

  32. Tel

    I am not a white nationalist, I want a multi cultural society, but limited to only 10-20% non white of the total population.

    I think you can go beyond that if you do it slowly… basically although race is a statistical marker for cultural norms it does not in any way DETERMINE behaviour. Thus, it takes a few generations for each minority group to both accept the dominant culture and be accepted in turn. Over time, general legal principles will remain in control.

    Dump too many in at once and you get exactly the problem you describe. They basically just stamp feet and reject anything outside their culture. Circle the wagons and refuse to integrate. Eventually they get emboldened, scoff at the local laws and decide to do what they like.

    Also, the general multicultural ideology is to actively encourage people not to integrate… but I think that’s more a vote-herding thing propagated by left wingers, rather than any natural effect. The same ideology is encouraging young people (regardless of race) to actively reject any established culture, and this has nothing to do with immigration, it’s more of a “cultural revolution” type of Maoist strategy.

  33. Tel

    Just as a side issue, this is an interesting talk on trade-offs between globalization vs localization, high trust communities vs low trust communities, property rights and club goods, people who face the consequences of their own actions vs people who don’t face consequences.

    http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2017/08/nassim_nicholas_1.html

    It has some relation to the whole question of rising black tribalism, white clannishness, etc.

  34. Yohan

    I think you can go beyond that if you do it slowly… basically although race is a statistical marker for cultural norms it does not in any way DETERMINE behaviour. Thus, it takes a few generations for each minority group to both accept the dominant culture and be accepted in turn. Over time, general legal principles will remain in control.

    Dump too many in at once and you get exactly the problem you describe. They basically just stamp feet and reject anything outside their culture. Circle the wagons and refuse to integrate. Eventually they get emboldened, scoff at the local laws and decide to do what they like.

    Also, the general multicultural ideology is to actively encourage people not to integrate… but I think that’s more a vote-herding thing propagated by left wingers, rather than any natural effect. The same ideology is encouraging young people (regardless of race) to actively reject any established culture, and this has nothing to do with immigration, it’s more of a “cultural revolution” type of Maoist strategy.

    Everything you say here is true.

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