PDT reveals his soul

I wrote a while ago about being in need of some urgent advice in regard to a high school friend who I was then about to visit who continually sends me anti-Trump material from CNN etc. He is a two-times-over legal migrant, first from the Hungarian workers’ paradise to Canada in 1956, and then second from the Canadian workers’ paradise to not just the workers’ paradise of California, but to Silicon Valley itself in the early 1970s. There he ran his own business enterprise where he would sack willy nilly any excess staff at the mere hint of a downturn in demand but has been successful enough to end up in a $US5 million dollar home, his and hers Mercedes, a Mercedes van so that he can take his sailboard to the coast, not to mention his Porsche which he didn’t actually register for a number of years so that he could evade speed limits on the highways as he powered his way down the road. That is, he is an average and utterly normal member of the Democratic Party. And now he has sent me this which I will share with you in full with no edits: A Trump meltdown for the ages. From CNN, of course, from which everything below the line is found and with nothing left out.

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It was like watching a human Twitter feed.

A combative and unrestrained President Donald Trump opened his authentic political soul, in possibly the most memorable news conference in presidential history, that is certain to become a defining moment of his administration.
It was supposed to be a routine event at Trump Tower in New York to tout the President’s infrastructure plan.
But the session quickly veered off course into one of the most surreal political moments in years as Trump unloaded about the fallout from the weekend’s protests by “alt-right” activists, white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Virginia.
Gesticulating with his right hand, Trump blasted what he called the “alt-left,” protested that he had already condemned neo-Nazis and parroted far-right talking points on the Confederacy.
On the substance, it was a performance that quickly emboldened white nationalist groups and appeared certain to heighten racial tensions and fear in the country.
There’s no chance that Trump’s political team can finesse this one, or walk it back.
But the tone and the spectacle of Trump’s unchained performance was equally stunning.
The unapologetic, stream-of-consciousness style of delivery left no doubt at all: This was the real Trump, not the scripted version who appeared in the White House on Monday and tried to clean up his initial failure to condemn white supremacists after the death of a counter-protester in Charlottesville.
His anger emerged in a torrent, as he obliterated any benefit of the doubt he earned on Monday, thought piling on thought, in a style the nation has become accustomed to from his Twitter feed.
In the most incredible moment, as he stood at a podium bearing the seal of the President of the United States, Trump tore at the nation’s racial fault lines by appearing to offer a pass to a racist and neo-Nazi movement.
“I think there is blame on both sides,” Trump said, returning to his original position about the protest in Charlottesville, saying that an extreme right demonstration in which marchers held torches and Swastikas and chanted racist and anti-Semitic slogans contained some “bad people …. but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”
Trump accused counter-demonstrators of being as violent as the white supremacists.
“What about the fact they came charging — that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs? Do they have any problem? I think they do,” he said.
“I think there is blame on both sides,” Trump said.
The President’s fury was first sparked when he was challenged by reporters on his handling of Charlottesville, evidence of how Trump’s extreme sensitivity to personal slights sometimes leads him into politically self-destructive behavior.
It was a display that will renew questions about the suitability of Trump’s temperament for the presidency, and at a time of increasing tensions around the world that will exacerbate fears he will be unable to control his emotions at a time of crisis as commander-in-chief.
Trump also condemned efforts to take down statues in southern states dedicated to heroes of the Civil War Confederacy.
“This week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson’s coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week? And is it Thomas Jefferson the week after?”
“You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists.”
It did not take long for key figures in the extreme right movement to take comfort in Trump’s remarks, after the news conference appeared to nudge the President closer to an isolated spot on the far right of US politics.
“Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa, wrote David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, on Twitter.
Some of Trump’s fellow Republicans were quick to condemn him.
“If you are showing up to a Klan rally you are probably a racist or a bigot,” Texas Rep Will Hurd said on CNN’s “The Situation Room.” “I think the outrage across the political spectrum about this is maybe the thing that ultimately unites us.”
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio was also quick to rebuke Trump.
“Mr. President,you can’t allow #WhiteSupremacists to share only part of blame. They support idea which cost nation & world so much pain,” Rubio said on Twitter.
“These groups today use SAME symbols & same arguments of #Nazi & #KKK, groups responsible for some of worst crimes against humanity ever.”

The overall impression of Trump’s performance was of a president out of control, who is captive to his whims and instincts and defies any attempt to manage him — including by his new Chief of Staff John Kelly.
“That was all him — this wasn’t our plan,” a senior White House official told CNN’s Jeff Zeleny.
One person who has spent time with Trump over the past 24 hours describes the President as “distracted” and “irritable” in his interactions with top aides. Trump felt pressured into the Monday statement by staff members, the person said. As he went about his day Tuesday, Trump was upset and repeatedly returned to the topic, the person said, culminating in the lobby press conference.
CNN senior political analyst David Axelrod compared Trump to a “runaway truck, there are no brakes, there is no reverse.”
Axelrod also questioned why Kelly and other Trump aides even allowed the President to appear before reporters on Tuesday, given their presumed knowledge of the state of his mood over the Charlottesville coverage.
But ultimately, Tuesday’s stunning appearance will be remembered for the sentiments that passed the lips of a President of the United States.
In the long and tortured history of a nation still trying to work through its complicated story on race, Trump’s meltdown will stand out, as a moment ripped from the darkest pages of history and transposed into the 21st Century.
In the process, he appears to have abdicated any claim to the traditional presidential role as a moral voice for the nation and the world.

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THE VIDEO OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE: Prompted by OldOzzie, here is the press conference you can see it for yourself.

Incidentally, his infrastructure statement is pretty good as well!

AND WITH A BIT MORE TO ADD: From Drudge just now.

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If these people really think this is a gotcha moment, they are even more out of it than it is possible to believe.

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92 Responses to PDT reveals his soul

  1. pbw

    Thank you PDT. And thank you Steve. Oh, and thank you CNN.

  2. A Lurker

    Methinks you need to cultivate new friendships with rational people Steve.

  3. vicki

    What happened in Charlottesville was bound to happen. Like many others, I have been expecting an explosion of this sort at any time.

    Trump’s election, despite all the odds, was an indication of the desperation of the American people in the face of the determined overthrow of fundamental beliefs on the part of the Democrats. While most voters are waiting patiently for their man to reestablish the right of the people to decide the destiny of their country, it was a given that there would be those who would wait no longer.

    So, when the radical Left start tearing down cultural icons such as statues of Robert E Lee & others, it should not be surprising that the radical Right should come out of the shadows & fight.

    This is the first step towards serious civil discord. Yet the Left still will not concede that their social warriors must share the blame for illegalities. Worse, the media are actually condemning their President.

    It is extraordinary stuff.

  4. Walter Plinge

    Didn’t rate a mention in Powerline’s daily email but did get a favourable mention in Breitbart:

    https://goo.gl/79Tszn

    Well done, Donald Trump.

    As an aside I guess you’ll have seen the long article in The Australian today about PDT’s alleged mafia connections from decades back. Not much in that either.

  5. Louis Hissink

    Given PDT’s enemies control the deep state etc., I would not be surprised if this and other confected civil acts of violence are intended to send him off the rails. Much more subtle than the JFK solution.

  6. Art Vandelay

    The consensus view of the mainstream media (and indeed that of the political class) on any issue is largely irrelevant and not at representative of public opinion these days.

  7. Zyconoclast posted this several months ago.
    I deemed it fit for a place in the Pool Room.

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. “

    CNN distills this poison into words.

  8. mh

    Not sure why you want us to keep reading CNN, Steve. It’s more than enough that I have to listen to Richard Arnold on 2GB.

    Enjoy the Dukes of Hazzard before the Soros-backed Antifa get it erased from history.

  9. Mother Lode

    stream-of-consciousness style

    I think they mean that he didn’t need a teleprompter.

    That is as strange as a reporter that does not just transcribe press releases.

  10. C.L.

    Communists have killed a lot more people than the Ku Klux Klan.
    Antifa is a communist terrorist organisation.
    Once again, Trump was 100 percent correct.
    The lesson: speaking the absolute truth takes courage and comes at a cost.

  11. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    I watched the press conference live this morning and was impressed with his revised timeline for infrastructure building by cutting red tape for approvals. From 17 years for a freeway to 2 years.

    Then he invited questions and the fun began.

    I thoroughly enjoyed it as he calmly and logically explained to the slavering hordes how he condemned both sides for the riots in Charlottesville from the get go but didn’t specify naming the groups until he had all the information. He continued to make the point that there were two sides, one with a permit to march/protest and one without.

    It fell on the deaf ears of the CNN Fake News mob as they continually shouted and interrupted but he ignored the screeching and played them on a break.

    ’twas a beautiful start to the day.

  12. Old friends can have differences of opinion and remain friends.

  13. yackman

    I also watched the full presentation having heard the ABC around 0730. I thought it was a controlled if somewhat angry response and perfectly legitimate. Perhaps I heard what I wanted to hear.

  14. Dr Fred Lenin

    There will be a lot more of this violence in the Western World as the u.n.communist globalists and their crony capitalist mates keep trying to destroy Nationalism and change history to their interpretation , lies instead of history . The more violent on the right will respond to the always violent left fascists under extreme provocation .the left know the lying media is on their side ,bought and paid for by soros and gang . When I say always violent left just look at any meeting involving giliards old communist “socialist alternative ” they always use violence , should all be in hard regime gulag getting worked to extinction .

  15. Enthalpy

    I prefer ctrl-left for the radical leftists on display

  16. TP

    Steve, you seem to nice a person to put up with his bullshit. Tell him no more one sided emails on Trump. If he doesn’t like it tell him to fuck off.

  17. Kneel

    “The organizers of events which inspired & led to #charlottesvilleterroristattack are 100% to blame for a number of reasons.” – Rubio

    The protesters turned up with shields and pepper spray.
    The anti-protesters turned up with rocks and baseball bats.

    Very telling.

    The protesters had a permit for their rally, the anti-protesters just turned up.
    The police allowed the anti-protesters to forment a riot, then demanded EVERYONE disband and go home.

    More telling.

    The Yellow Stream Media showed the extreme right only, despite that this was <10% of alt-right supporters.
    The YSM also showed only the moderate anti-protesters, not the violent thugs.

    Even more telling.

    The establishment such as Rubio say the alt-right are completely to blame, PDT says those who enacted violence, regardless of side, were wrong.

    Given the volume and content of video taken by people on phones, do you really think the average US citizen that is in any way interested in this is unaware of what the YSM and Establishment are attempting? Do you really think that they haven't noticed that PDT has once again made initial off-the-cuff comments that reflect their own take on the circumstances and who's to blame?
    Do you really think that anyone but died-in-the-wool Dimocrats and those who don't care enough to look any further than the YSM will change to a dimocrat vote because of this? I seriously doubt that is the case.

    PDT says what the other pollies are being told by their minders they can't say – average people like this, even when they don't agree with what is said.

    This is not a "killer blow" for PDT – it is more of the same from those desperate to control the politics and information spread in the US. The Average US citizen, who put PDT in power, is not stupid enough to fail to see this.

    Come the mid-term elections – or perhaps during the next presidential campaign – PDT will roll out a list of what he's managed to do, with plenty of evidence it's really been done. The YSM will be taken aback and be unable to counter it – or the fact that they managed to NOT report on it when it was going on. Even more will vote for PDT next time.

  18. Dr Sir Major General

    It seems that your friend is a not a good person.

    Voltaire (from his Philosophical Dictionary) on Friendship:

    Friendship is the marriage of the soul, and this marriage is liable to divorce. It is a tacit contract between two sensible and virtuous persons. I say sensible, for a monk or a hermit cannot be so, who lives without knowing friendship. I say virtuous, for the wicked only have accomplices; the voluptuous, companions; the interested, associates; politicians assemble factions; he generality of idle men have connections; princes, courtiers. Virtuous men alone possess friends.
    Cethegus was the accomplice of Catiline, and Mæcenas the courtier of Octavius; but Cicero was the friend of Atticus.

    Here is a simple rule for life: Do not be friends with bad people.

  19. Tim Neilson

    Steve, email back your friend and ask whether he actually watched the press conference.

  20. Cynic of Ayr

    Well, I’d rather DT getting cranky about the stupidity of the far right and far left, than listen to Obama blaming ALL Republicans, or Clinton blaming the Deplorables or Savva blaming Abbott.
    Can you blame him for getting cranky? He’s done so much and the left has totally ignored it. They snipe, lie, (especially lie), weasel and behave like children all day, everyday.
    Not sure, but it seems like Steve Kates may have been sucked into ignoring the good stuff, and seeing only the not-so-good stuff, as his “friend” has been trying to talk him into.
    Anyone ranting about Trump telling it like it is, must prefer Obama or the Clintons lying to their faces.

  21. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Steve, email back your friend and ask whether he actually watched the press conference.

    An excellent idea. Add ‘with an open mind’ as your friend or it won’t change a thing.
    Trump Haters can’t listen past the hate. Even when good sense is being spoken.

    Friend seems to have done well in Silicon Valley, Steve.
    Makes academia look rather unappealing doesn’t it?
    Friend sounds like a real meanie though; it doesn’t cost too much extra to fire people nicely, with good notice and plenty of help towards re-employment.

  22. lotocoti

    the traditional presidential role as a moral voice for the nation and the world.

    Jed Bartlet was a fictional character.

  23. stackja

    Something happened in Charlottesville. MSM has given their version.
    I believe Leftists attacked misguided protesters.
    What really happened in Charlottesville? Will we ever have a proper report?
    DOJ might prepare one. But will MSM report it?
    Or will the MSM move on to the next ‘crisis’?
    What happened in Ferguson, Baltimore, University of California Berkeley etc.?

  24. Faye

    CNN is something else. Each day I wonder how President Trump can carry on. For CNN to misconstrue the facts of what he said about the extremists on BOTH sides being as bad as one another into him sticking up for the Alt-Right is downright lying. Someone is paying for and organizing these violent protests. They are the untouchables, at arm’s length from the dirty business. They are the ones who should be exposed; they can start with Soros and other well known wealthy families known to give generously to the Left.

  25. rebel with cause

    Nazis vs Commies. Only an idiot would take sides. Trump is no fool.

  26. RobK

    The events seem to be functioning as a filter for Trumps enterprise committee (whatever the name is), with numerous CEOs dealing themselves out. Well paid players not wishing to find a solution.

  27. OldOzzie

    I watched the full 1 hour 16 mins 46secs President Trump Gives a Statement on the Infrastructure Discussion – The White House

    I saw a Superb President Donald Trump totally in control and Magnificent in tramping all over the Useless Lame Stream Media Vultures who would not know the Truth if it hit them in the face Repeatedly

  28. RAZOR

    This re-inforces President Trump’s support base. Anyone with some shred of commonsense would only read a balanced and correct approach taken by him. The MSM can only resort to name labeling. Overall would expect The spread of support for him to widen as a result. Many in the South will be taking offence at the treatment of their role in the civil war.

  29. Tel

    Trump is very good at walking just the line that will tempt his opponents into self exposing overreach.

    The anti-Trumpers still believe they have a lot more protection from the MSM than they really do have. The hooliganism of BLM and their buddies is pretty obvious once those videos get out and about.

  30. IDefender of the faith

    Trump is definitely an idiot. He says he watched closely. If he had he would know that the quiet protestors were chanting explicit racist and anti Semitic crap. He would also know that Duke and others who took leadership have given interviews in which they confirmed their explicit intention to kill.

  31. stackja

    Never Trump has visions.

  32. Shelley

    How do you stand visiting, let alone being friends with this guy Steve?

  33. Warty

    After Trump’s apparent submission in his second address on the Charlottesville issue I felt a sense of despair I can’t even begin to describe: I felt it was a capitulation to the MSM; a capitulation to the ‘swamp’ and that the defender of the Deplorables had gone AWOL. But this return was something for the books; historic; invigorating; powerfully dismissive of the fake news purveyors, and Trump was back, in control in a way that won him the presidency.
    The conservative revolution continues. Ole.

  34. Tom

    The overall impression of Trump’s performance was of a president out of control

    You idiot.

    Trump is destroying the power of the mainstream media, for which we will all be grateful in coming years and decades.

  35. stackja

    Warty – DT held his nerve. As usual MSM miscalculated.

  36. Rob MW

    I thought that Trump was fair and reasonable in his condemnation of the rioters and the car driving murderer. Given the media opposition, if not down right disgust, of anything coming close to fair and reasonable I reckon that their press coverage can only lead to more ideological violence.

  37. Oh come on

    in possibly the most memorable news conference in presidential history, that is certain to become a defining moment of his administration.

    Seriously?! These people are hysterical. Absolutely hysterical. Ahistorical and hysterical.

    Trump’s speech in Poland was enormously more consequential; his full-throated defence of Western civilisation is up there with Reagan’s ‘evil empire’ speech in intent and importance. Nothing said by any President between these two speeches comes close.

  38. Up The Workers!

    Steve,

    It sounds to me like your friend is in need of some urgent coaching in the field of “Idiot Recognition”.

    Send him a mirror!

  39. Oh come on

    SThe newsmedia is a parody of itself. If you watched the news conference and then read CNN’s account of it, you’d swear CNN was describing a different event.

  40. Duderino

    If you’re being thanked by the KKK, you might.. just might… be on the wrong track.

  41. stackja

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 4 minutes ago
    Congratulation to Roy Moore and Luther Strange for being the final two and heading into a September runoff in Alabama. Exciting race!

  42. Mike of Marion

    I thought Trump’s answers were well balanced. It is obvious he won’t take BS from the MSM parrots.

  43. Goanna

    Southern slaveholders were rapists. We know this because only 73% of the DNA of African-Americans is African; the rest is Caucasian with a small fraction of Native American. Most of the admixture of DNA, a McGill University study concludes, occurred before the Civil War, that is, when slaveholders and their white employees could use female slaves at will. Keep that in mind the next time Foghorn Leghorn sounds off about the honor of Southern womanhood. To own slaves is wicked; to rape female slaves and sell one’s children by them is disgusting in the extreme. Yet that is what the Old South did, and the DNA evidence proves it.

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2017/08/15/say-decent-men-died-wicked-cause/

  44. Yohan

    He would also know that Duke and others who took leadership have given interviews in which they confirmed their explicit intention to kill.

    You are an absolute liar.

  45. Yohan

    Go on IDefender of the faith, show us the quotes, show us the interviews.

    You just hear that being spouted somewhere by leftists, and repeated it as if it were fact.

  46. Yohan

    The rally organizers repeatedly stated for no-one to brings guns, no-one to instigate violence. And that is what occurred (apart from 20 idiotic oathkeepers with rifles strapped to their chests – who are an anti-racist group, I might add).

    All violent clashes were initiated by Antifa, which was THEIR EXPLICIT INTENT.

    Go look at their facebooks groups pages, their twitter feeds. They were baying for blood, to assault the rally goers, and that’s exactly what they did, and the medai ran cover for them, and pretended it was neo-nazi attacking peaceful protesters.

  47. Mr Black

    Duderino, I’m in the KKK and I thank you for your comments, you are exactly the kind of person we want to recruit.

    Now what say you?

  48. one old bruce

    There’s KKK in Australia? I must tell the Hibernian brotherhood. How are your knees? Traditional Celtic medicinal techniques are good for loosening the joints. Exactly opposite effect on the tongue though. Strangely.

  49. Oh come on

    If you’re being thanked by the KKK, you might.. just might… be on the wrong track.

    Idiot.

    If the KKK wants to conjure up allegiances as easily as you attribute them, then you and they are just as dumb as each other.

  50. .

    rebel with cause
    #2470765, posted on August 16, 2017 at 4:58 pm
    Nazis vs Commies. Only an idiot would take sides. Trump is no fool.

    Yep. He’s done well.

  51. Oh come on

    This whole ‘Trump went off-piste and unhinged!!1!’ narrative is such a crock. Throughout he is clearly wishing to talk about infrastructure.

    Gesticulating with his right hand, Trump blasted what he called the “alt-left,”

    Yes, he had been gesticulating with his right hand throughout. This worthless observation only exposes the bias of CNN’s narrative.

    The unapologetic, stream-of-consciousness style of delivery left no doubt at all…his anger emerged in a torrent

    Lie. Go to the tape. He is measured and considered in his comments.

    That was all him — this wasn’t our plan,” a senior White House official told CNN’s Jeff Zeleny.

    Possibly true. That same senior WH official may also have said they didn’t give a rat’s about this nothingburger, but that part ended up on the floor of CNN’s editing suite.

    Trump’s meltdown will stand out, as a moment ripped from the darkest pages of history and transposed into the 21st Century.

    This is the media equivalent of ‘Trump = worse than Hitler!’ These people are crazed, insane, completely bereft of perspective. Trump is driving them completely mad.

  52. Oh come on

    PS: note the GOP jellybacks refusing to concede the obvious truth of what Trump was saying. They are quislings. Ryan is the worst. Go back to revering and worshipping random women, you weird creep.

  53. .

    Ryan is the worst. Go back to revering and worshipping random women, you weird creep.

    ????

    I need enlightenment regarding this.

  54. Oh come on

    You don’t recall his creepy response to the Pu$$ygate tapes? Weird shit about how women need to be revered and worshipped or some overcaffeinated polly waffle.

  55. .

    That is the kind of stuff you get off the Rebel Media or Prager U as well.

    BOOM/ MIC DROP!

  56. Yohan

    Trump still attacked Nazi’s and white supremacists in that speech, but because he correctly said the antifa bore some responsibility, the media lie and say he went back on his disavowal.

    Chuck Todd at NBC was ‘shaking’
    others were ‘sick to their stomach’ and ‘vomiting’

    an endless stream of journalists were tweeting such nonsense.

    The whining NeverTrumpers and GOP cucks are saying Trump compared Robert E Lee to Thomas Jefferson. Another lie, Trump did no such thing.

  57. .

    Robert E Lee was a tragic American hero. He would have been the US commander, not Scott, McLelland or Grant, if he took up the offer.

    He probably would have become President, as Grant did.

  58. J.H.

    What happened in Charlottesville ?…..

    It’s very simple really, one group of Democrat backed Socialists attacked another group of Democrat traditional Socialists…. The KKK has always been associated with the Democrats…. Robert Byrd, the Democrat’s longest serving Senator was a Grand Cyclops of the West Virginian chapter of the KKK….. As for Antifa, they have been pro Democrat and anti Trump the whole time, as we have seen from the violence at numerous Uni campuses and Trump events that Antifas has gatecrashed.

    Then there’s this from Breitbart…. “Jason Kessler, the organizer of last Saturday’s white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, is rumored to be a former Occupy Wall Street activist and supporter of Barack Obama.”

    As I said. Democrat sponsored violence all round….. Trump is completely right to condemn all sides equally and not buy into the the media’s attempted narrative that Traditional Democrat KKK supporters are allies of Trump…

  59. Yohan

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/19776/trumps-epic-presser-clarifies-three-truths-have-john-nolte

    This article by John Nolte is the best takedown of anti-trump hysteria over the press conference. Spread it.

  60. IDefender of the faith

    Yohan. Before you call someone I liar you should check. Because the facts I refer to are in this very thread. A link somewhere above takes you to a video. The video is a series of direct interviews with the people I refer to.
    These people are very clearly criminal in intent, extremely heavily armed, open about their intent and unabashed about the embrace of violence. You can ignore the plain evidence which is not in doubt. I don’t care. But this issue ain’t going away and promoting it is evil.

  61. Yohan

    Maybe you have been living under a rock, but antifa has been assaulting normal Trump voters, and normal conservative speakers, at every event across the US for the last 18 months. They label everybody a Nazi. Now right wing rallies are preparing themselves with riot equipment and training to defend themselves. But this does not mean they initiate the violence, its almost always the opposite, as it was once again in Charlottesville.

    You claimed David Duke and the leaders of the various groups had an explicit intention to kill at this rally. Show me the evidence. Not empheric ‘oh they are racist therefore they support violence’ bullshit, not things they said years ago, but actual statements about intending to initiate violence on protesters at this rally.

    Jason Kessler, David Duke, Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch were the leaders and speakers at this rally, and all of them said not to initiate violence, only defend yourself, don’t bring any guns, and on and on.

    The only right-wing group that came armed were the Oathkeepers, a constitutional patriot group, who was told not to come with weapons, and who is actually anti racist, and anti alt-right. They had about 20 people there. There were many more antifa with assault rifles, and they actually pointed their guns at people, unlike the Oathkeepers. You didnt hear about that one right?

    There was also 30 Neo-Nazi at this rally of 1500. Probably the actors who responded to the newspaper advert that day.

  62. iain russell

    ‘I love the smell of Trump-derangement in the morning – it smells like victory!’

  63. Tom

    ‘I love the smell of Trump-derangement in the morning – it smells like victory!’

    +1000.

    Arrogant fake journalists got owned.

    And, when POTUS45 leaves 0ffice in 2024, the TV networks won’t survive the collapse in their ratings.

  64. Up The Workers!

    The people slagging President Trump now, are the same so-called “elites” (read propagandists, toadies, bigots and deniers) who predicted in utter confidence and hubris, that he would be utterly thrashed by the Crooked Clinton Crime Family, in last year’s election.

    The disgraceful Channel 10, 9 and 7 nightly Trump/Abbott/Cardinal Pell fact-free hate-sessions have become unwatchable.

    When are we EVER going to have a competent or even sentient Minister for Communications who has the testicular fortitude to yank the Broadcasting Licence out from under these vile Labor propaganda outlets, so that we can get back to broadcasting NEWS instead of Labor lies, Labor propaganda and Labor-generated hatred?

    It would only need to be done once, for the others to fall into line.

  65. Empire GTHO Phase III

    When are we EVER going to have a competent or even sentient Minister for Communications who has the testicular fortitude to yank the Broadcasting Licence out from under these vile Labor propaganda outlets, so that we can get back to broadcasting NEWS instead of Labor lies, Labor propaganda and Labor-generated hatred?

    The NEWS has never been the news. You’re fantasising.

  66. Yohan

    I cannot watch any MSM news on Trump. The lies and spin seen this week have been almost beyond belief. There has been a form of hysteria going on. Journalists on CNN crying, shaking, acting like children.

  67. Tel

    Yohan: that’s exactly what I pointed out above. They are vastly overreaching to the point where the dissociation from reality is obvious to random bystanders. Trump is playing those journalists, getting them to destroy their own credibility. They probably know they are being played, but their need to virtue signal is so strong not one of them has the guts to snap out of it.

    If Trump calls them liars or “fake news” then the audience will respond, “Well he would say that”.

    But if Trump can point to many videos of black masked guys throwing rocks, swinging bats and smashing stuff, then the MSM reports those guys as peaceful counter-protesters the audience will be jarred and say, “Wait a minute!”

  68. serene tiger

    You can’t choose your family members but you can choose your friends.

  69. Gorky

    “Trump is definitely an idiot. He says he watched closely. If he had he would know that the quiet protestors were chanting explicit racist and anti Semitic crap. ”
    What happened to ‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,’ ? I know Voltaire didn’t actually say it but isn’t it still the sign of civility?

  70. vicki

    The lies and spin seen this week have been almost beyond belief. There has been a form of hysteria going on. Journalists on CNN crying, shaking, acting like children.

    It is all extraordinary to watch. The cognitive changes brought about by emotional adherence to a belief system is just amazing. I am quite shaken by it, and like Yohan, it is hard to watch.

    This morning some big hitters in the business scene in the US have abandoned Trump’s consultative committee, declaring that he is showing support for racism & anti-Semitism!

  71. This morning some big hitters in the business scene in the US have abandoned Trump’s consultative committee, declaring that he is showing support for racism & anti-Semitism!

    These azzholes originally joined to stop/slow Trump from changing economic policies from benefiting Wall St to benefiting Main St. They are now resigning for any excuse in the same manner as establishment Republicans abandoned Trump for any feeble excuse.
    Inconsequential actions by low life millionaires.

  72. stackja

    Gorky
    #2471226, posted on August 17, 2017 at 8:55 am
    “Trump is definitely an idiot. He says he watched closely. If he had he would know that the quiet protestors were chanting explicit racist and anti Semitic crap. ”
    What happened to ‘I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,’ ? I know Voltaire didn’t actually say it but isn’t it still the sign of civility?

    Gorky hearing voices?

  73. IDefender of the faith

    Yohan you can go to the link in the thread above as I said. Or you can google vice news Charlottesville. All you need do is believe your own eyes and ears.

  74. Kneel

    “I know Voltaire didn’t actually say it but isn’t it still the sign of civility?”

    I believe it was Jefferson who said “Free speech is hard. Free speech is standing up for the right of a man to speak – a man whose ideas make your blood boil, a man who is advocating at the top of his voice that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”

    He was and is right.

    If you are convinced that someones ideas are so wrong that very few would support them, you should not be telling them to “shut up”, you should be showing as may people as possible, while explaining how bad it would be for everybody should this fool get his way. That is how democracy is supposed to work – the battle of ideas. Refusing to allow such fools to have their say only pushes them underground where they can claim to be the new “oppressed” – not even allowed to speak. Much better to let them have their say, have the majority laugh at them, and watch them slink away, knowing their ideas have been heard and rejected by the majority.

    This is where the whole idea of “hate speech” is wrong. I have no issue with people being charged for inciting violence, however saying “white lives matter” is considered racist, while saying “black lives matter” is acceptable; preventing the building of a mosque is racist, but preventing the building of a jewish temple is not; and on and on, ad nauseum.

    Equality is NOT special treatment for ANY group, no matter how deserving. Equality is equal treatment of ALL, regardless of what group they belong to. PDT clearly believes that race, gender, sexual preference and religion are unimportant to, and have no place in, the operation of government and the enactment of laws. That this attitude is correct is obvious. That anyone would promote this attitude as “racist” is disgusting and untrue. That a media outlet would promote such a thing – let alone the majority of media outlets – is a sad indictment of their lack of training and/or their lack of cognitive abilities and/or evidence of their partisan “win at any cost” attitude.

  75. TP

    Steve, you may want to pass on this summary of events to your mate.

    1) A decision is taken by local politicians to remove an historic statue for political reasons, knowing it will cause a lot of resentment among one section of the community.

    2) A protest march is organised by people from that section of the community, which is publicly notified well in advance, as per the rules governing organised marches.

    3) Antifa uses the advance notice to suddenly move in large numbers of their members, equipped for violence, on the day of the protest march.

    4) At the last minute, as the authorised march is about to start, the police suddenly declare it illegal, order the marchers to disperse, and, according to several eyewitness reports, channel the dispersing marchers right into the middle of the antifa, who are waiting for them with weapons.

    5) The politicians then blame the violence on the marchers, and also use it as an excuse for political attacks on President Trump

  76. mh

    Maybe if the ABC/SBS showed the commercial hit documentary Dinesh D’Souza’s ‘Hillary’s America”, instead of endlessly repeating the commercial flops of Michael Moore, the public would be aware that the KKK were Democrats.

  77. Spider


    Oh Come On
    Trump’s speech in Poland was enormously more consequential; his full-throated defence of Western civilisation is up there with Reagan’s ‘evil empire’ speech in intent and importance. Nothing said by any President between these two speeches comes close

    And the speech in Poland was totally dismissed because it was scripted while MSM still sing the praises of Obama’s Cairo speech.

    Trump could organise the second coming and cure cancer and he would be lucky to receive grudging and no doubt feint praise from the MSM.

  78. Spider

    Reflectng on the Obama presidency something struck me right from the start when he (understandably) stumbled over his words at his inauguration. There was enormous goodwill on all sides for the firsr black president and a willingness for the press to give him the benefit of the doubt for his human failings.

    With Trump there was no such thing right from the get go and never will be.

    When you think of the Obama presidency try and remember the number of times he received what you’d call a rough time from the press. I’m struggling to think of more than one or two.

  79. Gorky

    @stackja – its attributed to Voltaire but it comes from a biography where the author is summing up Voltaire’s beliefs in her own words.
    The Jefferson quote is better.

  80. duncanm

    The derangement in the media is so strong, you can mention ebil Trump in an article about a wedding ring on a carrot

  81. OldOzzie

    And the Plot thickens

    Why Was This ‘Crowd Hire’ Company Recruiting $25 An Hour ‘Political Activists’ In Charlotte Last Week?

    Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based “public relations firm specializing in innovative events” to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

    The ad was posted by a company called “Crowds on Demand” and offered $25 per hour to “actors and photographers” to participate in events in the “Charlotte, NC area.” While the ad didn’t explicitly define a role to be filled by its crowd of “actors and photographers” it did ask applicants to comment on whether they were “ok with participating in peaceful protests.” Here is the text from the ad:

    Actors and Photographers Wanted in Charlotte

    Crowds on Demand, a Los Angeles-based Public Relations firm specializing in innovative events, is looking for enthusiastic actors and photographers in the Charlotte, NC area to participate in our events. Our events include everything from rallies to protests to corporate PR stunts to celebrity scenes. The biggest qualification is enthusiasm, a “can-do” spirit. Pay will vary by event but typically is $25+ per hour plus reimbursements for gas/parking/Uber/public transit.

    For more information about us, please visit http://www.crowdsondemand.com

    If you’re interested in working with us, please reply to this posting with the following info:
    Full Name
    Prior relevant experience (as an actor/performer, photographer, brand ambassador, political activist, etc)
    When are you usually available for work?
    Resume (optional)
    If you’re a photographer, what equipment do you use?
    Are you ok with participating in peaceful protests (optional)?

    So what is “Crowds on Demand?” According to their own website, they’re in the business of sourcing large crowds of people to “provide clients with protests, rallies, [and] flash-mobs” all over the country. They even have an entire page on their website dedicated to “Protests and Rallies.”

    Are you looking to create a buzz anywhere in the United States? At Crowds on Demand, we provide our clients with protests, rallies, flash-mobs, paparazzi events and other inventive PR stunts. These services are available across the country in every major U.S city, every major U.S metro area and even most smaller cities as well. We provide everything including the people, the materials and even the ideas. You can come to us with a specific plan of action and we can make it happen. OR, you can approach us with a general idea and we can help you plan the strategy then execute it.

    We’ve made campaigns involving hundreds of people come to action in just days. We have a proven record of delivering major wins on even the toughest campaigns and delivering phenomenal experiences with even the most logistically challenging events.

    The CEO of Crowds on Demand denied to Snopes that his firm was involved in the Charlottesville protests but refused to provide details on the specific purpose of the craigslist ad and/or why it was temporarily removed yesterday before being restored.

    “We were not involved in any capacity with the recent tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of those impacted by the violence”

    Silly question, but if your cause is worthy of protest then why would you need to pay $25 per hour to get people to show up?

  82. max

    Last weekend, serious violence broke out in Charlottesville, Virginia, when a group of white supremacist demonstrators was confronted by a group of folks who were there to condemn the message the demonstrators had come to advance. The message was critical of the government for removing a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee from a public place.

    For some, Lee is associated with the military defense of slavery. For others, he is associated with the military defense of the right of states to leave the union — a union they voluntarily joined. For the organizers of the Charlottesville rally, the removal of the statue provided a platform to articulate crudely their view that the Caucasian race is somehow morally superior to every other.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/08/andrew-p-napolitano/freedom-for-speech/

  83. PB

    Maybe Rubio has done too many Gay bubble parties and the heat has gone to his purty little head.

  84. PB

    “For the organizers of the Charlottesville rally, the removal of the statue provided a platform to articulate crudely their view that the Caucasian race is somehow morally superior to every other.”

    There is a bit more happening here than just the regurgitation of pre-approved Fake News talking points can convey.

  85. mh

    Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based “public relations firm specializing in innovative events” to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

    Steve Price and his leftist US correspondent Richard Arnold will be all over this.
    /sarc

  86. Oh come on

    The only mistake I think Trump made was to pander to the “good people” on both sides. I didn’t really see any evidently decent people on either side (as you saw by the thousand, at, say, the TEA Party rallies). There were certainly no good people on the left (that goes without saying) and, whilst there are no doubt large numbers of Americans who have an objection with the whitewashing of Civil War history and the deplatforming and demonising of the key Confederate figures in the nation’s historical narrative, I doubt these cerebral people were out on Friday night marching with the torch-carrying skinheads yelling ‘white lives matter!’

    The bad and the ugly on the left seldom makes it to primetime, quite deliberately so. The bad and the ugly on the right quite deliberately dominates the news cycle for days. For Trump to say ‘there were good people on both sides’ doesn’t seem tactically sound to me, because the media-sheltered side doesn’t have any good people to showcase for the cameras, and neither do the ultra-nationalists.

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