Open Forum: August 19, 2017

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  1. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The male police officer in Spain who killed four of the armed attackers in the beach town was ex Spanish Legion and well trained in firearms. Via Daily Mail.

    That unit was originally raised as the Spanish equivalent of the French Foriegn Legion, and had just as many colorful characters.

  2. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    左派是一种精神疾病

  3. val majkus

    Ah, Brandis said today that it was a ‘postal plebiscite, Val!

    thanks Marcus, the stuff circulating on facebook is stipulating a ‘postal survey’ and make sure you’re enrolled with AEC – wondered when the change of noun happened

  4. twostix

    No body outside the control of the people should have the power that Google, etc are currently about to start exercising.

    Nationalist populism rests upon the idea that corporate power is government power wielded in trust by private people for the national good.

    If google wants to insert itself into the people’s political arena it will need to renounce it’s government created protections as a corporation first in order to place it’s managers and owners back on an even footing with the populace they seek to abuse from behind the government created, maintained corporate veil.

  5. val majkus

    That unit was originally raised as the Spanish equivalent of the French Foriegn Legion, and had just as many colorful characters.

    vaguely remember some books about that legion featuring (I think) a character called Beau Geste – loved them when I was a kid

  6. This site would meet all requirements to be on the list.

    Do you hear this, Sinc?

    I already have a Plan B. Do you? You need your next move planned or else you cease to exist.

    The real resistance is us. The deep state is passing itself off as the underdog. They are obviously lying.

  7. John64

    That video of Malcolm Robert’s interview with Emma Alberici was quite something.

    I’m trying to recall another interview where an elected member of Parliament has been treated with such aggressive, bristling and condescending contempt but so far I’ve drawn a blank.

  8. rickw

    The abc bint is furious, impotent and nasty and if she is the best they’ve got the abc is worth fuck-all.

    The only way the abc can be fixed is to shut the festering pile of shit down, all the arseholes in the abc soviet need to get real fucking jobs.

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The only way the abc can be fixed is to shut the festering pile of shit down, all the arseholes in the abc soviet need to get real fucking jobs.

    You and Rabz aren’t joined at the hip are you?

  10. Trump must immediately proceed with anti- trust legislation to dismember the big tech companies.

    If they can do it to Microcuck, they can do it to Facecuck and Cucker.

  11. twostix

    As an aside (and not to beat any further on the completely discredited “libertarian” movement) – the current situation of giant monopoly companies consipiring with each other to run the universe is basically exactly the obvious outcome of an ideology which bizarrely simultaneously argues against government regulation, and for government created limited liability corporations.

    What the hell even is that?

  12. stackja

    val majkus
    #2474847, posted on August 20, 2017 at 9:33 pm
    That unit was originally raised as the Spanish equivalent of the French Foriegn Legion, and had just as many colorful characters.

    vaguely remember some books about that legion featuring (I think) a character called Beau Geste – loved them when I was a kid

    “Viking’s funeral”

  13. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Newspoll: Voters deliver brutal verdict on Coalition
    The Australian
    9:30PM August 20, 2017
    David Crowe
    Political correspondent
    Canberra
    @CroweDM

    NEWSPOLL EXCLUSIVE: Bill Shorten has gained more ground against Malcolm Turnbull in the wake of the furore over the citizenship of three cabinet ministers, with Labor ahead of the Coalition by 54 to 46 per cent in two-party terms in the latest Newspoll.

    Labor has climbed to its strongest primary vote this year with its core support at 38 per cent, up from 36 per cent two weeks ago.

    The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, shows the government’s primary vote has fallen from 36 to 35 per cent.

    The results come after a fortnight that saw an internal Coalition row over same-sex marriage, the government’s decision to go ahead with a postal plebiscite on the issue, Mr Turnbull’s move to challenge big energy retailers on their prices and the storm over foreign citizenship.

    Mr Turnbull has lost ground to Mr Shorten in his personal standing with Australians but has held his lead as preferred prime minister, favoured by 43 per cent of voters compared with 33 per cent who prefer the Opposition Leader.

    Amid a furore over Pauline Hanson’s decision to wear a burka into the Senate, One Nation has increased its primary vote from 8 per cent to 9 per cent during the two weeks, showing no damage to her party from what her critics called an offensive stunt.

    Breaking news, from the Oz. “Team Turnbull” launches from catastrophe to crisis, and back to disaster, in a way I haven’t seen since the Whitlam “Reign of Terror.”

  14. stackja

    The Beer Whisperer
    #2474852, posted on August 20, 2017 at 9:46 pm
    Trump must immediately proceed with anti- trust legislation to dismember the big tech companies.

    If they can do it to Microcuck, they can do it to Facecuck and Cucker.

    AT&T became Baby Bells.

  15. Slayer of Memes

    latest Newspoll figures are out

    Two-Party Preferred: Labor 54​​​ (+1), Coalition 46 (-1)

    That makes #18…

    Since these things come out every 2 weeks then, unless there is a YUUUUUUUUGE turnaround in the fortunes of the LNP Turnbull Coalition team, there are only 24 more weeks of Lord Waffleworth being PM before the magic number of 30 is reached and the 54 bed-wetters have to automatically dump him for someone else, based on his own precedent…

    We may not get to my predicted Malotto date, but I can live with that if it means the end of Malcontent Termite…

  16. Mark from Melbourne

    Newspoll has the ALP 54/46 TPP. Turnbull Coalition Team primary vote 35%.

    That is all she wrote, Waffleworth.

  17. Makka

    with Labor ahead of the Coalition by 54 to 46 per cent in two-party terms in the latest Newspoll.

    Lib voters know they are being screwed over by Turdball and are walking . Good. The demise of the Liberal Party can’t come soon enough.

  18. H B Bear

    The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, shows the government’s primary vote has fallen from 36 to 35 per cent.

    Will Waffles be able to match Gillard and get the Lieboral primary vote with a “2” in front of it? Lucy and Daddy would be pleased.

  19. twostix

    Do you hear this, Sinc?

    I already have a Plan B. Do you? You need your next move planned or else you cease to exist.

    Don’t be daft.

    Only sites that make a difference will be targeted as part of the campaign of hate by the left in the first round.

    The point for casual conservatives to understand is that this very site is a bout ten times more “Hate” than half the sites that are going to come under attack by Google and the left. There is no diffentiation between “Nazi” and “conservative” in the minds of these people.

  20. cohenite

    John64

    #2474849, posted on August 20, 2017 at 9:38 pm

    That video of Malcolm Robert’s interview with Emma Alberici was quite something.

    I’m trying to recall another interview where an elected member of Parliament has been treated with such aggressive, bristling and condescending contempt but so far I’ve drawn a blank.

    Here you go:

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2010/11/loopy-virginia-trioli-doesny-know-who.html

  21. srr

    Marcus Classis
    #2474553, posted on August 20, 2017 at 2:44 pm

    SRR:

    Before I finish catching up, I can imagine that I may have to add (for the pet lovers), that my parentage is significant, not in that it’s anything to do with me, but that while great educated thinkers go on about understanding history so as not to repeat it, we had the same crimes committed by the same criminals, in Yugoslavia and Ukraine, in our recent living memory, as are now being done to the last of the great Western Nations of Christendom, and yet the m0nty & Co.’s mock off any warnings of it as ‘loopy’ ‘conspiracy nutter’ stuff, and the masses join them, because ….. *spit* ………………………….

  22. Fisky

    As an aside (and not to beat any further on the completely discredited “libertarian” movement) – the current situation of giant monopoly companies consipiring with each other to run the universe is basically exactly the obvious outcome of an ideology which bizarrely simultaneously argues against government regulation, and for government created limited liability corporations.

    What the hell even is that?

    The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech. Certainly, when Merkel and Zuckerberg were caught on tape discussing ways to censor people off Facebook, hardly any Twitter “libertarians” complained about this. Some were even visibly giddy with excitement that, at last, the haters and bigots will no longer have a space on the internet to complain about their borders being erased.

  23. Boambee John

    The leftwing establishment is making an all-in attempt to eradicate the right off the Internet.

    This will end up in the US Supreme Court, where the definition of “hate speech” should come under close scrutiny. While it will probably be overturned there on First Amendment grounds, but there will be much disruption first.

    Time far some activist (conservative or libertarian) lawyers to take the very loose definition of “hate speech” and subject some leftie pets to a touch of lawfare in the meantime, let them feel some pain also. Yassmin or Squalid Alley as first targets?

  24. Fisky

    I think it may be time to start breaking up corporations. There are no reasons to allow them to even exist except in a very narrow range of industries that are difficult to scale (like shipping, banking and a few others). Otherwise, corporations should be completely banned.

  25. srr

    The Beer Whisperer
    #2474559, posted on August 20, 2017 at 2:49 pm

    4Chan dox Antifa and BLM members.

    Know your enemy.

    So, 4Chan are on the side of Antifa & BLM?
    Hoping to save them from themselves before they try to take on Sturgis?

  26. Fisky

    Corporations are more left-wing on average than government departments. Certainly they are more effective at carrying out a Leftist agenda. The average IQ in a corporation is about 120, which is smart enough to be indoctrinated into Leftism, whereas most government workers are about 95-105 and don’t really comprehend what they’re doing. “Huh huh, trannies cool! Der!”

  27. Boambee John

    Val at 2133

    Those would be the books by PC Wren, but about the French Foreign Legion, not the Spanish.

    The Spanish Legion’s moment in the sun came when it supported Franco in the Spanish Civil War.

  28. OldOzzie

    Mike of Marion
    #2474785, posted on August 20, 2017 at 8:06 pm
    Fascinating reading about the issues the Boeing B-52H has if and when replacing/updating engines may occur.

    http://www.airpowerstrategy.com/2016/11/22/old-dog-new-engines/

    Mike of Marion – Thanks – as an Aircraft Groupie and excellent article

  29. Makka

    Hoping to save them from themselves before they try to take on Sturgis?

    That I wanna see.

  30. John64

    Thanks cohenite; I hadn’t forgotten that La Trioli once showed everyone in TV land that she regarded Barnaby as loopy, certainly an impressive effort but nowhere near Alberici’s sustained 7 minutes of sneering and condescension.

  31. DrBeauGan

    I am suffering from a severe case of pink knees. I sat on my balcony in my new bathers, in the sun and the rain. My knees haven’t been exposed to the weather for some time. I’m not sure how they feel about it. But the pinkness must signify something.

    The thunderstorm didn’t materialise. I never thought it would.

  32. val majkus

    thanks Stackja; went looking and these are the books I remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Geste
    by PC Wren
    Never saw the movie but looks interesting

  33. Arky

    Amazing to think that with all the putrid shit you can find on the net, the thing they want to ban is anyone with a right of centre political set.
    Really absurd.
    Tentacle pron? Tick.
    Preserve confederate statues? Buzzzzz!

  34. OldOzzie

    Mark from Melbourne
    #2474858, posted on August 20, 2017 at 9:50 pm
    Newspoll has the ALP 54/46 TPP. Turnbull Coalition Team primary vote 35%.

    That is all she wrote, Waffleworth.

    Newspoll: Voters deliver brutal verdict on Coalition

    NEWSPOLL EXCLUSIVE: Bill Shorten has gained more ground against Malcolm Turnbull in the wake of the furore over the citizenship of three cabinet ministers, with Labor ahead of the Coalition by 54 to 46 per cent in two-party terms in the latest Newspoll.

    Labor has climbed to its strongest primary vote this year with its core support at 38 per cent, up from 36 per cent two weeks ago.

    The latest Newspoll, conducted exclusively for The Australian, shows the government’s primary vote has fallen from 36 to 35 per cent.

    The results come after a fortnight that saw an internal Coalition row over same-sex marriage, the government’s decision to go ahead with a postal plebiscite on the issue, Mr Turnbull’s move to challenge big energy retailers on their prices and the storm over foreign citizenship.

    Mr Turnbull has lost ground to Mr Shorten in his personal standing with Australians but has held his lead as preferred prime minister, favoured by 43 per cent of voters compared with 33 per cent who prefer the Opposition Leader.

    Amid a furore over Pauline Hanson’s decision to wear a burka into the Senate, One Nation has increased its primary vote from 8 per cent to 9 per cent during the two weeks, showing no damage to her party from what her critics called an offensive stunt.

    Support for the Greens fell from 11 per cent to 9 per cent in a big win for Mr Shorten, helping to add two percentage points to Labor’s primary vote.

    The combined effect has widened Labor’s lead to 54 to 46 per cent in two-party terms, a shift against the government from the result of 53 to 47 per cent two weeks ago, ending a period of six consecutive Newspoll surveys with no change to the two-party result.

    At 35 per cent, the government’s primary vote has fallen to levels last seen in early July and early February, when the Coalition began the parliamentary year with a horror slump from the 39 per cent core support it recorded last December.

    The last time Labor’s primary vote was as high as 38 per cent was in early November.

    Mr Turnbull’s standing with voters has fallen over a fortnight that began with an urgent Coalition party room meeting to resolve differences on same sex marriage, progressed to a debate on energy prices but was derailed on Monday morning when Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce revealed his New Zealand citizenship.

    The Prime Minister’s net satisfaction rating — the difference between those who are satisfied and those who are dissatisfied with his performance — shrank from negative 12 to negative 20 percentage points, a major setback after he had regained ground in recent weeks.

    Mr Turnbull’s satisfaction rating fell from 38 to 35 per cent and the proportion of voters who were dissatisfied with his performance rose from 50 to 55 per cent.

    Both leaders are unpopular with voters with the same net satisfaction rating of negative 20 points.

    Mr Shorten’s net satisfaction deteriorated from minus 15 points two weeks ago to minus 20 points today.

    The proportion of voters who are satisfied with the Opposition Leader’s performance fell from 36 to 34 per cent, while those who were dissatisfied rose from 51 to 54 per cent.

    The Newspoll survey of 1675 respondents, conducted from Thursday to Sunday, saw most of the results move within the margin of error of 2.4 percentage points, except for the fall in Mr Turnbull’s rating as better prime minister and the greater dissatisfaction with both leaders.

    This is the 18th consecutive Newspoll in which the Coalition has trailed Labor in two-party terms, a tally that is now used against Mr Turnbull by his critics because he cited the loss of “30 Newspolls in a row” as a reason for challenging Tony Abbott in September 2015.

    Mr Turnbull has retained his lead over Mr Shorten as preferred prime minister but the gap between the two has narrowed.

    Voters cut their support for Mr Turnbull as better prime minister from 46 to 43 per cent, while increasing their support for Mr Shorten from 31 to 33 per cent. The proportion of voters who were “uncommitted” increased from 23 to 24 per cent.

    As a result, Mr Turnbull is now 10 points ahead of Mr Shorten on this measure compared with a lead of 15 percentage points two weeks ago.

    Full Newspoll results and graphs will be posted here at midnight.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Never saw the movie but looks interesting

    I saw Marty Feldman starring in “The Last Remake of Beau Geste.” Does that count?

  36. Arky

    Just stop and think about that for a minute.
    Over the last three decades as people shared the most abysmal, degrading and plain stupid pornographic crap, forever changing how the entire world views sexual relations, these little geeks said and did nothing.
    Now they want to censor our political thoughts.
    Fuck them.

  37. Zatara

    Ah, Brandis said today that it was a ‘postal plebiscite, Val!

    But what he really meant was a ‘postal placebo’.

  38. OldOzzie

    Same sex marriage: Tony Abbott won’t trick me, George Brandis says

    Attorney-General George Brandis says he will not be “tricked” by Tony Abbott into fighting the same-sex marriage plebiscite on wider issues such as religious freedom.

    Senator Brandis, a supporter of same-sex marriage, said this morning that the plebiscite had nothing to do with religious freedom and it was simply a question of whether people believed the Marriage Act should change.

    He said that any bill to legalise gay marriage would allow religious exemptions, noting the exact nature of the protections would be debated in parliament if the Yes vote won.

    Mr Abbott and Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton are among those who have linked the No case to a fight in protection of freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    “What I am not going to do is be tricked by Tony Abbott and others who are trying to trying to turn a debate about one issue, that is about whether same-sex couples should be able to marry, into a broader debate about religious freedom because that is not what this is about,” Senator Brandis told Sky News.

    “There is no doubt whatsoever that were the postal plebiscite to return a Yes vote in the course of the parliamentary debate that would then ensue any bill introduced by any Coalition member or senator, building upon or expanding upon senator (Dean) Smith’s bill, would have very thorough protections for religious freedoms much more thorough than any bill that a future Labor government might release.

    “We do need to have protections of religious freedom but that is not what the postal plebiscite is about. The postal plebiscite is to inquire of public opinion whether or not in its view the law should be changed to allow same-sex couples to marry.”

    Senator Brandis added there were already constitutional and legal protections for religious freedom.

    “Although we don’t have a bill of rights in Australia, unusually there is actually a constitutional protection of religious freedom of section 116 of the Constitution,” he said.

    “There are also protections in way of exemption for religious opinion and faith in the discrimination statutes.”

    Fairfax Media reported this morning that Archbishop of Melbourne Denis Hart warned that staff at Catholic schools and hospitals could face the sack if they participated in a same-sex marriage ceremony.

    Mr Abbott responded to Senator Brandis’ comments today on Twitter. “A bill that legalises marriage between “any two persons” raises issues beyond marriage,” he said. “E.g. would it be possible to exclude gender fluidity discussions from schools if gender fluidity is contemplated by the Marriage Act?”

    based on the 969 COMMENTS – Turdbull and “Crying George” are in Deep Doo Doo- Besides the Latest Newpoll Results

  39. stackja

    val majkus
    #2474879, posted on August 20, 2017 at 10:10 pm
    thanks Stackja; went looking and these are the books I remember https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beau_Geste
    by PC Wren
    Never saw the movie but looks interesting

    Project Gutenberg Australia
    a treasure-trove of literature treasure found hidden with no evidence of ownership
    Title: Beau Geste
    Author: Percival Christopher Wren
    * A Project Gutenberg of Australia eBook *
    eBook No.: 0600231h.html
    Edition: 1
    Language: English
    Character set encoding: HTML–Latin-1(ISO-8859-1)–8 bit
    Date first posted: March 2006
    Date most recently updated: March 2006

    Two movies I know of Gary Cooper and 1960s remake.

  40. Pedro the Ignorant

    Beau Geste, starring Gary Cooper, was a terrific film.

    Made in 1939, filmed in B/W and a “Boy’s Own” type yarn, lots of shifty villains, evil swarthy Arabs and deeds of derring-do from Cooper and his fellow Foreign Legion soldiers.

    100% reviews from the film critic site, Rotten Tomatoes.

    Beau Geste.

  41. val majkus

    Ah, Brandis said today that it was a ‘postal plebiscite, Val!

    just saw an ad for it on ch 7 and it refers to a ‘postal survey’ – there’s something odd about that wording – should be ‘postal vote’ shouldn’t it?

  42. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Two movies I know of Gary Cooper and 1960s remake.

    1960’s remake starred Guy Stockwell and Telly Savalas.

  43. val majkus

    thanks stackja and Pedro; wouldn’t mind reading it again – but not in e book

  44. OldOzzie

    Malcolm Turnbull’s prime ministership saved by Liberals’ shaky grip on power

    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    August 20, 2017 6:00pm

    LUCKY Malcolm Turnbull. His government’s grip on power is now so shaky it may be too dangerous to sack him.

    Sack the Prime Minister and the Liberals risk losing power within months.

    But keep him and they’ll have at least another year-and-a-half before they lose the election. That’s now the best the demoralised Liberals can hope for.

    Turnbull’s leadership has been so disastrous — especially during this citizenship crisis — that the minor parties he’d hoped would prop him up have been deserting him, leaving his government hanging by a thread.

    In the House of Representatives, where governments are formed, the Coalition has a majority of a single seat. But the High Court may soon rule that Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce must go, having been a New Zealand citizen when elected.

    Yes, Joyce is favourite to win his seat back in a by-election, after last week renouncing his Kiwi citizenship, but as the polls swing hard against the government, nothing is certain.

    If Joyce loses, the government would need one of the five crossbenchers to back it to stay in power. But Turnbull has lost the support of Bob Katter and the Xenophon Party’s Rebekha Sharkie, and never had that of Andrew Wilkie or the Greens’ Adam Bandt.

    Only Leftist independent Cathy McGowan is sticking with him.

    But if the Liberals sack Turnbull, panicked by the latest polls, would she stick with his replacement? Maybe, if he were replaced by Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop.

    But the Liberals must know Bishop is no leader. Her poor political judgment was exposed last week when she ludicrously warned she’d have trouble trusting any Labour-led New Zealand government because one Labour MP helped prove Joyce was a Kiwi. Her tanty made her a laughing stock.

    Tony Abbott, the former prime minister and the only candidate with a strategy to beat Labor, is the most obvious replacement. But which crossbencher would back a government led by Abbott? Katter, maybe?

    Worse, if a sacked Turnbull then quit parliament, the Liberals could lose his seat in a by-election, too. This means Abbott, or fellow conservative and likely candidate Peter Dutton, would need at least one crossbencher, and maybe two, to back them before any challenge.

    Otherwise, the Liberals will keep Turnbull, for better or the worse that’s sure to come.

  45. val majkus

    Turnbull’s been a great saviour for the Libs hasn’t he?

  46. OldOzzie

    Andrew Bolt – ANOTHER REFUGEE CRIME WAVE

    Yet more evidence of a catastrophic mistake in our refugee intake:

    Dandenong Criminal Investigation Unit detectives are investigating a series of robberies that occurred in the vicinity of Dandenong and Noble Park Railway Stations overnight.

    The first incident occurred about 7.50pm, a man was walking along Foster Street Dandenong when he was approached by six males.

    He was assaulted, had his wallet stolen and left with a large gash to the side of his head.

    The second incident occurred 10 minutes later in the same area, a man was approached by six males who demanded his wallet before assaulting him and stealing his mobile phone.

    The third incident was in James Street Springvale about 8.10pm, a man was approached by 5-6 males and one of them produced a box cutter.

    He was assaulted and his wallet and mobile phone were stolen.

    The fourth incident occurred in Joy Street, Noble Park about 11.25pm, a man was approached by two males that knocked him to the ground.

    He was held down, assaulted and his wallet was stolen.

    All the alleged offenders were perceived to be of African appearance.

    The crime rate among Sudanese refugees and their children is off the chart. Who let them in? Why did police for years falsely claim there was no trouble?

  47. OldOzzie

    Why we shouldn’t call Islamic terrorists ‘cowardly’ or ‘godless’
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    August 20, 2017 8:00pm

    IT’S happened again after last week’s terrorist attacks in Spain. We’re again accusing jihadists of having our own fatal weaknesses.

    The Muslim extremists who killed 14 people in Barcelona and Cambrils were “cowardly”, claimed Holland’s prime minister.

    “What godless cowards they truly are,” agreed columnist Joe Hildebrand.

    The same charges were made against the Islamist State jihadists who slaughtered 130 people in Paris in 2015.

    “Cowardly,” the French president called them.

    “Godless ISIL murderers,” said our own prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

    Same yet again with the Manchester bombing, which this year killed 22 people.

    “Committed by a coward,” said Turnbull.

    The bomber was “not a Muslim”, insisted Manchester mayor Andy Burnham.

    But how can any of that be true? Aren’t we just lying about the jihadists — and ourselves?

    Take these Spanish jihadists, many from Morocco. One, Moussa Oukabir, is believed to have driven the van that killed 13 people in Barcelona.

    Police think he then fled on foot, before hijacking a car, stabbing the driver and jumping a checkpoint to speed to Cambrils, where he joined four fellow jihadists.

    The five then stabbed people until police gunned them all down.

    I risk making this scum seem a legend to dangerous losers, but those don’t sound like the acts of a coward.

    Same with the jihadists behind the Paris attack. Seven died fighting. Two more died in later police raids, refusing to surrender. Likewise with the Manchester bomber. He blew himself up with his victims.

    Evil, barbaric, depraved — yes. But cowardly?

    Unfortunately in this case, men prepared to die for their cause are not cowards. Nor are they godless.

    What gives them their “courage” to kill, risking near-certain death themselves, is their belief that the evil they do is actually a good to be rewarded in their afterlife.

    A god convinced them of that. The god of Islam, who they, at least, understand to license this mayhem.

    But which politician wants to admit Islam can inspire such enemies?

    It may make us feel good to denounce jihadists as gutless men without a god, but we risk blinding ourselves to the true nature of our enemy and their inspiration.

    In fact, here’s a terrifying question: are we in fact the godless cowards in this fight? How many of us in the West would fight to the death to protect the values the jihadists wish to destroy?

    Jihadists think they know the answer. “You love life and we love death,” jeered al-Qaeda after murdering 172 people in bomb attacks in Madrid in 2004.

    Yes, loving life is a virtue, but the jihadists may be right that few in the West will risk death for almost anything.

    When jihadists killed the cartoonists of France’s Charlie Hebdo magazine for mocking Islam, politicians in the West joined protesters, insisting, “Je suis Charlie”. I am Charlie.

    They lied. The Charlie Hebdo terrorists died fighting, but it was the West which gave in.

    Even in Australia, we maintain tough laws against free speech which curtail debate on Islam. Last year, the ACT Legislative Assembly even passed what are, in effect, blasphemy laws, which the Greens said were needed after protesters published pamphlets opposing the building of a mosque.

    Just last week, Pauline Hanson was savaged for wearing a face-covering burqa into parliament. Attorney-General George Brandis emotionally warned her to stop mocking this “religious garment” because security agencies believed “it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community”.

    In other words, shut up about the burqa — that demeaning sack for women — or Muslims will stop dobbing in jihadists trying to kill us. Je suis Charlie? Not this government.

    But it didn’t need to tell us to back down when we’re doing it already.

    Waverley council, in Turnbull’s electorate and led by one of his staffers, successfully asked the Land and Environment Court to ban a new synagogue for fear locals might get hurt in crossfire if jihadists attacked the Jews inside.

    That is not the act of people willing to die for our values.

    That is the act of cowards. Godless cowards, too.

    Watch the ABC, our state broadcaster, repeatedly vilify Christians while hiring Muslim apologists, such as Waleed Aly and Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

    Meanwhile, Christianity declines, leaving us with fewer Australians who believe there’s a Christian Heaven to reward them should they die defending virtue.

    Godless cowards? Are they the jihadists, or ourselves?

  48. OldOzzie

    Why we shouldn’t call Islamic terrorists ‘cowardly’ or ‘godless’
    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun
    August 20, 2017 8:00pm

    IT’S happened again after last week’s terrorist attacks in Spain. We’re again accusing jihadists of having our own fatal weaknesses.

    The Muslim extremists who killed 14 people in Barcelona and Cambrils were “cowardly”, claimed Holland’s prime minister.

    “What godless cowards they truly are,” agreed columnist Joe Hildebrand.

    The same charges were made against the Islamist State jihadists who slaughtered 130 people in Paris in 2015.

    “Cowardly,” the French president called them.

    “Godless ISIL murderers,” said our own prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

    Same yet again with the Manchester bombing, which this year killed 22 people.

    “Committed by a coward,” said Turnbull.

    The bomber was “not a Muslim”, insisted Manchester mayor Andy Burnham.

    But how can any of that be true? Aren’t we just lying about the jihadists — and ourselves?

    Take these Spanish jihadists, many from Morocco. One, Moussa Oukabir, is believed to have driven the van that killed 13 people in Barcelona.

    Police think he then fled on foot, before hijacking a car, stabbing the driver and jumping a checkpoint to speed to Cambrils, where he joined four fellow jihadists.

    The five then stabbed people until police gunned them all down.

    I risk making this scum seem a legend to dangerous losers, but those don’t sound like the acts of a coward.

    Same with the jihadists behind the Paris attack. Seven died fighting. Two more died in later police raids, refusing to surrender. Likewise with the Manchester bomber. He blew himself up with his victims.

    Evil, barbaric, depraved — yes. But cowardly?

    Unfortunately in this case, men prepared to die for their cause are not cowards. Nor are they godless.

    What gives them their “courage” to kill, risking near-certain death themselves, is their belief that the evil they do is actually a good to be rewarded in their afterlife.

    A god convinced them of that. The god of Islam, who they, at least, understand to license this mayhem.

    But which politician wants to admit Islam can inspire such enemies?

    It may make us feel good to denounce jihadists as gutless men without a god, but we risk blinding ourselves to the true nature of our enemy and their inspiration.

    In fact, here’s a terrifying question: are we in fact the godless cowards in this fight? How many of us in the West would fight to the death to protect the values the jihadists wish to destroy?

    Jihadists think they know the answer. “You love life and we love death,” jeered al-Qaeda after murdering 172 people in bomb attacks in Madrid in 2004.

    Yes, loving life is a virtue, but the jihadists may be right that few in the West will risk death for almost anything.

    When jihadists killed the cartoonists of France’s Charlie Hebdo magazine for mocking Islam, politicians in the West joined protesters, insisting, “Je suis Charlie”. I am Charlie.

    They lied. The Charlie Hebdo terrorists died fighting, but it was the West which gave in.

    Even in Australia, we maintain tough laws against free speech which curtail debate on Islam. Last year, the ACT Legislative Assembly even passed what are, in effect, blasphemy laws, which the Greens said were needed after protesters published pamphlets opposing the building of a mosque.

    Just last week, Pauline Hanson was savaged for wearing a face-covering burqa into parliament. Attorney-General George Brandis emotionally warned her to stop mocking this “religious garment” because security agencies believed “it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community”.

    In other words, shut up about the burqa — that demeaning sack for women — or Muslims will stop dobbing in jihadists trying to kill us. Je suis Charlie? Not this government.

    But it didn’t need to tell us to back down when we’re doing it already.

    Waverley council, in Turnbull’s electorate and led by one of his staffers, successfully asked the Land and Environment Court to ban a new synagogue for fear locals might get hurt in crossfire if jihadists attacked the Jews inside.
    That is not the act of people willing to die for our values.

    That is the act of cowards. Godless cowards, too.

    Watch the ABC, our state broadcaster, repeatedly vilify Christians while hiring Muslim apologists, such as Waleed Aly and Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

    Meanwhile, Christianity declines, leaving us with fewer Australians who believe there’s a Christian Heaven to reward them should they die defending virtue.
    Godless cowards? Are they the jihadists, or ourselves?

  49. OldOzzie

    Why we shouldn’t call Islamic terrorists ‘cowardly’ or ‘godless’

    IT’S happened again after last week’s terrorist attacks in Spain. We’re again accusing jihadists of having our own fatal weaknesses.

    The Muslim extremists who killed 14 people in Barcelona and Cambrils were “cowardly”, claimed Holland’s prime minister.

    “What godless cowards they truly are,” agreed columnist Joe Hildebrand.

    The same charges were made against the Islamist State jihadists who slaughtered 130 people in Paris in 2015.

    “Cowardly,” the French president called them.

    “Godless ISIL murderers,” said our own prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

    Same yet again with the Manchester bombing, which this year killed 22 people.

    “Committed by a coward,” said Turnbull.

    The bomber was “not a Muslim”, insisted Manchester mayor Andy Burnham.

    But how can any of that be true? Aren’t we just lying about the jihadists — and ourselves?

    Take these Spanish jihadists, many from Morocco. One, Moussa Oukabir, is believed to have driven the van that killed 13 people in Barcelona.

    Police think he then fled on foot, before hijacking a car, stabbing the driver and jumping a checkpoint to speed to Cambrils, where he joined four fellow jihadists.

    The five then stabbed people until police gunned them all down.

    I risk making this scum seem a legend to dangerous losers, but those don’t sound like the acts of a coward.

    Same with the jihadists behind the Paris attack. Seven died fighting. Two more died in later police raids, refusing to surrender. Likewise with the Manchester bomber. He blew himself up with his victims.

    Evil, barbaric, depraved — yes. But cowardly?

    Unfortunately in this case, men prepared to die for their cause are not cowards. Nor are they godless.

    What gives them their “courage” to kill, risking near-certain death themselves, is their belief that the evil they do is actually a good to be rewarded in their afterlife.

    A god convinced them of that. The god of Islam, who they, at least, understand to license this mayhem.

    But which politician wants to admit Islam can inspire such enemies?

    It may make us feel good to denounce jihadists as gutless men without a god, but we risk blinding ourselves to the true nature of our enemy and their inspiration.

    In fact, here’s a terrifying question: are we in fact the godless cowards in this fight? How many of us in the West would fight to the death to protect the values the jihadists wish to destroy?

    Jihadists think they know the answer. “You love life and we love death,” jeered al-Qaeda after murdering 172 people in bomb attacks in Madrid in 2004.

    Yes, loving life is a virtue, but the jihadists may be right that few in the West will risk death for almost anything.

    When jihadists killed the cartoonists of France’s Charlie Hebdo magazine for mocking Islam, politicians in the West joined protesters, insisting, “Je suis Charlie”. I am Charlie.

    They lied. The Charlie Hebdo terrorists died fighting, but it was the West which gave in.

    Even in Australia, we maintain tough laws against free speech which curtail debate on Islam. Last year, the ACT Legislative Assembly even passed what are, in effect, blasphemy laws, which the Greens said were needed after protesters published pamphlets opposing the building of a mosque.

    Just last week, Pauline Hanson was savaged for wearing a face-covering burqa into parliament. Attorney-General George Brandis emotionally warned her to stop mocking this “religious garment” because security agencies believed “it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community”.

    In other words, shut up about the burqa — that demeaning sack for women — or Muslims will stop dobbing in jihadists trying to kill us. Je suis Charlie? Not this government.

    But it didn’t need to tell us to back down when we’re doing it already.

    Waverley council, in Turnbull’s electorate and led by one of his staffers, successfully asked the Land and Environment Court to ban a new synagogue for fear locals might get hurt in crossfire if jihadists attacked the Jews inside.
    That is not the act of people willing to die for our values.

    That is the act of cowards. Godless cowards, too.

    Watch the ABC, our state broadcaster, repeatedly vilify Christians while hiring Muslim apologists, such as Waleed Aly and Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

    Meanwhile, Christianity declines, leaving us with fewer Australians who believe there’s a Christian Heaven to reward them should they die defending virtue.
    Godless cowards? Are they the jihadists, or ourselves?

  50. Oldozzie

    Why we shouldn’t call Islamic terrorists ‘cowardly’ or ‘godless’

    IT’S happened again after last week’s terrorist attacks in Spain. We’re again accusing jihadists of having our own fatal weaknesses.

    The Muslim extremists who killed 14 people in Barcelona and Cambrils were “cowardly”, claimed Holland’s prime minister.

    “What godless cowards they truly are,” agreed columnist Joe Hildebrand.

    The same charges were made against the Islamist State jihadists who slaughtered 130 people in Paris in 2015.

    “Cowardly,” the French president called them.

    “Godless ISIL murderers,” said our own prime minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

    Same yet again with the Manchester bombing, which this year killed 22 people.

    “Committed by a coward,” said Turnbull.

    The bomber was “not a Muslim”, insisted Manchester mayor Andy Burnham.

    But how can any of that be true? Aren’t we just lying about the jihadists — and ourselves?

    Take these Spanish jihadists, many from Morocco. One, Moussa Oukabir, is believed to have driven the van that killed 13 people in Barcelona.

    Police think he then fled on foot, before hijacking a car, stabbing the driver and jumping a checkpoint to speed to Cambrils, where he joined four fellow jihadists.

    The five then stabbed people until police gunned them all down.

    I risk making this scum seem a legend to dangerous losers, but those don’t sound like the acts of a coward.

    Same with the jihadists behind the Paris attack. Seven died fighting. Two more died in later police raids, refusing to surrender. Likewise with the Manchester bomber. He blew himself up with his victims.

    Evil, barbaric, depraved — yes. But cowardly?

    Unfortunately in this case, men prepared to die for their cause are not cowards. Nor are they godless.

    What gives them their “courage” to kill, risking near-certain death themselves, is their belief that the evil they do is actually a good to be rewarded in their afterlife.

    A god convinced them of that. The god of Islam, who they, at least, understand to license this mayhem.

    But which politician wants to admit Islam can inspire such enemies?

    It may make us feel good to denounce jihadists as gutless men without a god, but we risk blinding ourselves to the true nature of our enemy and their inspiration.

    In fact, here’s a terrifying question: are we in fact the godless cowards in this fight? How many of us in the West would fight to the death to protect the values the jihadists wish to destroy?

    Jihadists think they know the answer. “You love life and we love death,” jeered al-Qaeda after murdering 172 people in bomb attacks in Madrid in 2004.

    Yes, loving life is a virtue, but the jihadists may be right that few in the West will risk death for almost anything.

    When jihadists killed the cartoonists of France’s Charlie Hebdo magazine for mocking Islam, politicians in the West joined protesters, insisting, “Je suis Charlie”. I am Charlie.

    They lied. The Charlie Hebdo terrorists died fighting, but it was the West which gave in.

    Even in Australia, we maintain tough laws against free speech which curtail debate on Islam. Last year, the ACT Legislative Assembly even passed what are, in effect, blasphemy laws, which the Greens said were needed after protesters published pamphlets opposing the building of a mosque.

    Just last week, Pauline Hanson was savaged for wearing a face-covering burqa into parliament. Attorney-General George Brandis emotionally warned her to stop mocking this “religious garment” because security agencies believed “it is vital for their intelligence and law enforcement work that they work cooperatively with the Muslim community”.


    In other words, shut up about the burqa — that demeaning sack for women — or Muslims will stop dobbing in jihadists trying to kill us. Je suis Charlie? Not this government.

    But it didn’t need to tell us to back down when we’re doing it already.

    Waverley council, in Turnbull’s electorate and led by one of his staffers, successfully asked the Land and Environment Court to ban a new synagogue for fear locals might get hurt in crossfire if jihadists attacked the Jews inside.
    That is not the act of people willing to die for our values.

    That is the act of cowards. Godless cowards, too.

    Watch the ABC, our state broadcaster, repeatedly vilify Christians while hiring Muslim apologists, such as Waleed Aly and Yassmin Abdel-Magied.

    Meanwhile, Christianity declines, leaving us with fewer Australians who believe there’s a Christian Heaven to reward them should they die defending virtue.

    Godless cowards? Are they the jihadists, or ourselves?

  51. Bruce in WA #2474791, posted on August 20, 2017 at 8:22 pm

    Dear Mr BMW

    Thank you for putting ABS brakes on my 1150RT.

    To the knob jockey who pulled a right turn across my bows as I was approaching at 80 km/h along Marmion Avenue … f**k you, you turd! Two seconds later and I would have been wearing you as a windscreen ornament! And if the bloke in the left lane next to me hadn’t dropped back 25 metres, he would have T-boned you!

    ROFL! Thank you Bruce, I needed that!

  52. An insightful comment from an article about the Rice University preparations for their gridiron game in Sydney next week:
    While players and coaches will ride buses, other staff members will navigate Australian roads in vans. They’ll have to acclimate to driving on the left side of the road. Many vehicles have the steering wheel on their right side too.

    And kangaroos leaping from behind bushes at traffic lights.

  53. max

    Abbott is far too honourable a boy scout to do this but he should choose now to announce that he is defecting to the Aust Conservatives.

    Brandis went out of his way to insult Abbott when explaining that the plebiscite was a simple question about supporting homo marriage. The cabinet is united in its disdain and hostility to Abbott.

    He should not stick around for the approaching decimation.

  54. Mark A

    max
    #2474904, posted on August 20, 2017 at 11:22 pm

    Abbott is far too honourable a boy scout to do this but he should choose now to announce that he is defecting to the Aust Conservatives.

    I don’t think he is welcome there nor is he of a like mind. He is no conservative.

  55. max

    If asked, many Australian Catholics would say they’re not fussed about gay marriage.

    Keep pushing, Brandis, and see how that changes.

  56. Bruce in WA

    ROFL! Thank you Bruce, I needed that!

    My pleasure! 😀

  57. Fisky

    Boston Antifa‏
    @AntifaBoston
    Follow
    More
    No room for capitalists, conservatives, libertarians, “classical liberals” or supporters of the US constitution in our city. #BostonResist

  58. Mark A

    Relax night owls, no music links from me anymore, nobody is interested. LOL

  59. Baldrick

    Boston Antifa‏
    @AntifaBoston
    Follow
    More
    No room for capitalists, conservatives, libertarians, “classical liberals” or supporters of the US constitution in our city. #BostonResist

    But according to m0nty, they’re not totalitarian losers.
    Go figure.

  60. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Very tired, just checked backthread…

    M0nty, Johanna – the aetiology of people who belong to extreme left loony tune organisations is fairly similar to that of those who belong to far right loony tune organisations. They tend to have anti-social personality disorders which produce rigid thinking and once hooked on an ideology they are easily led. The confused personal and medical history of the deluded young man who drove the car and killed a girl at that rally produces the sort of mind and attitude that can go either way, depending on influences.

    Blind Freddie my psychologist colleague told me that, M0nty.
    No blancmange required, Johanna (please learn to do blockquotes properly).

    Night all.

  61. Mark A

    An utterly unnecessary quote, nothing to do with anything: “Unity is strength, division is weakness. That universal principal holds just as good today as has done since the beginning of time itself. ”

    Just to remind those libertarians who want to import even more of those unwilling to be part of the community.

  62. C.L.

    Australians await Malcolm Turnbull with baseball bats:

    Newspoll: Voters deliver a brutal verdict on Coalition.

    The Turnbull government has taken a battering after a week of turmoil over the citizenship of key ministers, with the Coalition trailing Labor by 46 to 54 per cent in another brutal verdict from voters.

    Labor has climbed to its strongest primary vote this year, with its core support at 38 per cent, giving it a convincing lead that would see it form government with a gain of 20 seats if the trend held at the next federal election.

  63. Fisky

    This is mildly disturbing –

    http://www.newsweek.com/israel-secretly-paying-salaries-syrian-rebels-golan-heights-627155

    Israel is secretly supporting Syrian rebels operating near its occupied Golan Heights territory, providing money, food, fuel and medical supplies, according to fighters who claim to receive the aid.

    Israel has previously treated wounded Syrian rebels in its hospitals but interviews with rebels conducted by the Wall Street Journal suggest that Israel is directly supporting opponents of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in the six-year-long civil war.

  64. Mark A

    Downloaded and watching Beau Geste 1939.
    Thanks for the tip.

  65. Pedro the Ignorant

    Any other insomniacs or night owls who like classic movies, download this one from You Tube.

    1941 Academy award winner, beating out Citizen Kane believe it or not.

    Stars the superb Maureen O’Hara and Walter Pigeon, with a wonderful supporting cast.

    How Green Was My Valley

  66. Bruce of Newcastle

    I rather like Knight’s one. Xenophon may need to ski a bit faster. 😀

  67. Mark A

    Thanks Tom, quite a variety.

  68. I saw Dunkirk today. A magnificent movie. Great musical score. Exceptional drama. Very well acted. Deeply moving. A very fine tribute, indeed, to the men and few women that survived or died in the evacuation.

  69. Mark A

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #2474938, posted on August 21, 2017 at 2:45 am

    Any other insomniacs or night owls who like classic movies, download this one from You Tube.
    Stars the superb Maureen O’Hara and Walter Pigeon, with a wonderful supporting cast.

    How Green Was My Valley

    Yes, that’s a good one Pedro, highly recommend it. We have it on tape, yes ‘tape’ and a machine to play it on too, have to transfer it to DVD one day.

  70. srr

    Fisky
    #2474868, posted on August 20, 2017 at 10:00 pm

    As an aside (and not to beat any further on the completely discredited “libertarian” movement) – the current situation of giant monopoly companies consipiring with each other to run the universe is basically exactly the obvious outcome of an ideology which bizarrely simultaneously argues against government regulation, and for government created limited liability corporations.

    What the hell even is that?

    The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech. Certainly, when Merkel and Zuckerberg were caught on tape discussing ways to censor people off Facebook, hardly any Twitter “libertarians” complained about this. Some were even visibly giddy with excitement that, at last, the haters and bigots will no longer have a space on the internet to complain about their borders being erased.

    I remember proud Libertarians and all their friends and associates across all beliefs and systems, attacking me from the get go, every time I pointed out how the World Wide InterNetWeb of Deception was constantly tweaking it’s systems to effectively (electronically), “unperson” and in other ways, utterly destroy anyone.

    None of any of this is a surprise. The geeks have been openly talking about it since before there was an internet, but who listens to geeks telling them what they don’t want to hear … a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest …

  71. srr

    In the clearing stands a boxer
    And a fighter by his trade
    And he carries the reminders
    Of ev’ry glove that laid him down
    Or cut him till he cried out
    In his anger and his shame
    “I am leaving, I am leaving”
    But the fighter still remains, mmm mmm
    ******
    Moves like a fist through traffic
    Anger and no one can heal it
    Shoves a little bump into the momentum
    It’s just a little lump
    But you feel it
    In the creases and the shadows
    With a rattling deep emotion
    The cool, cool river
    Sweeps the wild, white ocean

    Yes boss, the government handshake
    Yes boss, the crusher of language
    Yes boss, Mr. Stillwater
    The face at the edge of the banquet

    The cool, the cool river
    The cool, the cool river

    I believe in the future
    I may live in my car
    My radio tuned to
    The voice of a star
    Song dogs barking at the break of dawn
    Lightning pushes the edge of a thunderstorm
    And these old hopes and fears
    Still at my side

    Anger and no one can heal it
    Slides through the metal detector
    Lives like a mole in a motel
    A slide in a slide projector
    The cool, cool river
    Sweeps the wild, white ocean
    The rage of love turns inward
    To prayers of devotion
    And these prayers are
    The constant road across the wilderness
    These prayers are
    These prayers are the memory of God
    The memory of God

    And I believe in the future
    We shall suffer no more
    Maybe not in my lifetime
    But in yours I feel sure
    Song dogs barking at the break of dawn
    Lightning pushes the edges of a thunderstorm
    And these streets
    Quiet as a sleeping army
    Send their battered dreams to heaven, to heaven
    For the mother’s restless son
    Who is a witness to, who is a warrior
    Who denies his urge to break and run

    Who says: Hard times?
    I’m used to them
    The speeding planet burns
    I’m used to that
    My life’s so common it disappears
    And sometimes even music
    Cannot substitute for tears

  72. dover_beach #2474950, posted on August 21, 2017 at 5:12 am

    I saw Dunkirk today.

    Thanks Dover. I’ll give it a shot.

  73. Mark A

    fb
    the oven in the company flat is hopeless, Pam wants me to get a microwave/convection oven.
    Any suggestions regarding what brand, size etc.?
    /fb

  74. srr

    Fergus
    #2474915, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:19 am

    So , in moderation
    Try again
    http://www.debka.com/newsupdate/21301/Poll-One-in-3-British-J3ws-considers-leaving-over-anti-Semitism
    Change the 3 to the required letter.

    Yes, all bullshit aside, this is NOT the place For J ews to come to receive early warnings that could save their lives … as I’ve often complained … and yet the site’s pets are constantly trying to nail, “Anti Semite” to my name … ah, but Burke, Plibersek, all those committed to supporting the UN’s support of Hamas; thank the devils that Turnbull was installed to drive the nation into their bloody fists …

  75. srr

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
    #2474919, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:29 am

    Better that you were hot or cold, instead of a middle of the road, NEEDING to be loved by everyone (but God, coz you’re too educated to believe in ‘that‘), luke warm peddler of empty fantasies …

  76. rickw

    From BBC .Two ways civilization can collapse

    Then of course there is the third and much more common way, invaders (people who hate you and want to kill you) penetrate or are let through your outer defences…

  77. Gab

    From BBC .Two ways civilization can collapse

    Climate change! The 1% !!11!!!!

    What a load of tosh.

  78. Gab

    Jerry Lewis dead at 91. RIP.

  79. Brandis:

    “Tony Abbott won’t trick me”.

    His claim that gay marriage has nothing to do with religious freedom tells you everything you need to know about the Liberal Party right now.

  80. calli

    Old crazy eyes SHY on Seven lecturing Hanson on terrorism. “Putting the entire country at risk!” she bleats.

    Hanson just sits and smiles. Sarah wasn’t even there. Probably off whale watching.

  81. calli

    And in the latest news of those who must not be lampooned lest they kill us, little Julian Cadman has been confirmed dead.

  82. Snoopy

    Their ABC won’t give up. One could be excused for thinking that research on family violence affecting ABC employees would be a high priority since it is so common as to necessitate specific family violence leave across the organisation.

    The pressing need for current, high quality empirical data regarding family violence within churches and other faith communities in Australia remains an urgent priority.

    A cynic could easily believe that this attack on churches is designed to blunt church objections to SSM.

  83. calli

    “To date Section 37.1 has served to create a chilling effect for many LGBT employees. The existing provisions posed a threat of discrimination which has served to silence thousands of teachers in our school.

    “We also note where further progress remains to be made for privately funded religious-run institutions, for trans people and for those of no religion.”

    I’m confused. What on earth would they be silenced about? Surely their sexual orientation is a private matter. Do heterosexual teachers blare information about their sex lives to their students?

    I thought the buggers were there to teach.

  84. Herodotus

    Ah, yes, Ireland, where there was no way the left were going to question the validity of a vote by less than the whole of the eligible voters. If it had gone the other way, however, it would have been rubbished.

  85. Snoopy

    Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, the Minister of State for Equality, spoke of his pride in finally bringing to Parliament the Bill which toppled the exemptions, telling the Irish Times: “I am proud of this Bill, having spent four years of my career bringing it to the eventuality it will become tonight.”

    The ALP’s shadow minister for equality is Terri Butler. That’s something to look forward to.

  86. Baldrick

    And in the latest news of those who must not be lampooned lest they kill us, little Julian Cadman has been confirmed dead.

    Bastards.

  87. Farmer Gez

    Thanks for the link Gab.
    So Gay rights activists think shutting off your personal life as a teacher is “unfeasable”.
    I would have thought it would be entirely sensible in this age of social media snooping.

  88. Snoopy

    In just 40 years we have gone from I am woman, hear me roar to I am a married lesbian, hear me bore.

    FFS

  89. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Leftizmas yra psichinė liga

  90. C.L.

    Modern ‘journalism’ …
    Antifa orders CNN to change headline citing the group’s infamous violence – so it does.

  91. C.L.

    MENSA member and rightist warrior, actor James Woods, is threatened on Twitter by Antifa terrorist …
    Woods hunts him down for real.

  92. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    from the above

    Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, the Minister of State for Equality, spoke of his pride in finally bringing to Parliament the Bill which toppled the exemptions, telling the Irish Times: “I am proud of this Bill, having spent four years of my career bringing it to the eventuality it will become tonight.”

    The repeal follows the introduction of the Gender Recognition Act in September, which allows people the right to legally change their gender just by altering their passport, without the need to see a doctor; and the gay adoption bill, passed in April, which allows gay couples to adopt children. The latter received a standing ovation when passed.

    Nonetheless Ó Ríordáin has signalled that the repeal won’t be the last of Ireland’s reforms to accommodate the LGBT lifestyle.

    must.demolish.heteronormative.capitalismo

  93. C.L.

    Ireland has stripped away laws which protected the rights of people to freedom of religion when in conflict with gay rights. The move comes just weeks after the first Irish gay weddings went ahead, following a referendum to allow gay marriage earlier this year…

    On Tuesday night the latest bastion against religious intolerance was swept away, as the Dáil voted unanimously to repeal Section 37 of the state’s Employment Equality Act. Section 37 granted specific exemptions for “religious, educational or medical institutions” when it came to gay rights, allowing them “to maintain the religious ethos of the institution”.

    Of course.
    Recollect that Australia’s own libertarians have argued for years that SS”M” is no worries because legal protections.

  94. stackja

    Opinion: Free speech hijacked by gay marriage supporters
    Rowan Dean, The Courier-Mail
    August 21, 2017 12:00am
    Subscriber only
    TRIGGER warning: reading this might make you decide to vote “No” in the same-sex marriage postal vote. But only if you care about the right of the individual not to be bullied by the elite about indigenous culture, freedom of religion, free speech and, above all, about a normal future for our children devoid of sexualised political correctness and sinister “gender fluidity” ideology.

    First, a declaration. I have long supported the idea that gay couples should be allowed to be joined for life with all the equal rights, recognition and dignity that any heterosexual couple or de facto couple enjoy under the law.

    As with most people, when the idea of same-sex marriage first loomed several years ago, I shrugged and thought, “Sure, why not?” I also accepted, as any sane person does, the counter-argument that, historically, marriage has always been uniquely, by definition, the union of two people of the opposite sex, ideally ’til death us do part, for the purpose of procreation.

    So — again, like most sensible people — I put these two conflicting arguments together and asked the obvious question: surely there can be some new form of legal civil union with an appropriately respectful phrasing and dignified ceremony that denotes a homosexual coupling for life with the intention of raising a family where children are intended to be the biological offspring of one of the pair? Maybe some ad guru could come up with a funky new word for it, because, with all due respect, that is not what the word “marriage” means.

    In the UK, a top private primary school for girls (ages 3 to 8) is being threatened with closure because it is NOT teaching the girls about homosexuality and transgender theory. This is a direct result of the UK legalising same-sex marriage in 2010.

    I have no doubt such intimidation will begin here, too, the moment same-sex marriage is legalised. In Ontario, Canada, the latest depiction of gender taught in schools is — I kid you not — LGGBDTTTIQQAAPP. The last P, by the way, stands for polyamorous. What next, “polygamy equality”?

    Then came the outright hatred; a celebrity singing that those who question gay marriage are homophobic, racist, bigoted c — ts.

    Now ad agencies, airlines, banks, and arrogant, bullying, politically correct bosses insist you say “Yes” to gay marriage. Employees, take note: your personal or religious beliefs and the precious freedom to speak your own mind has been stolen from you. Until you fill in your postal vote, that is.

    Rowan Dean @rowandean

  95. Bruce of Newcastle

    Antifa orders CNN to change headline

    The article itself shows how far into fascist fantasyland CNN now is:

    CNN Normalizes Antifa: Leftists ‘Seek Peace Through Violence’ (Breitbart)

    In a feature story on Antifa protesters who physically assault those they disagree with, CNN lays out the narrative that the leftist protesters are driven to violence in an effort to achieve peace.

    “Antifa leaders admit they’re willing to physically attack anyone who employs violence against them or who condones racism — as long as force is used in the name of eradicating hatred,” CNN reports.

    So like Islam: we must kill or subjugate everyone who disagrees with us so that we can have peace.

  96. calli

    I wondered if Woods would retaliate. Nice escalation!

    Woods then told his followers to stand up to people making threats.

    “I urge all those harassed with violent threats to document the crimes promptly with @TwitterSupport. It helps police, FBI and attorneys.”

    Nuking the brain dead, one Safe Space at a time.

  97. C.L.

    RIP Jerry.
    A true genius.
    I remember watching Lewis and Dean movies on TV as a kid.
    He gave an interview last year (IIRC) and he was as sharp as a tack.

  98. C.L.

    Wow. Woods has an IQ of 180.

  99. srr

    The Bloom is off the Ruse:
    Germany’s Angela Merkel Quietly Retreating From Paris Climate Treaty…

    Posted on August 20, 2017 by sundance

    Angela Merkel is essentially the de-facto global head of modern political liberalism. The central tenet, almost religious-based in its importance, is the lunacy within “climate change”. However, as most reasonable people have concluded, the ‘climate discussions’ are more about controlled global economics than any actual concerns about planetary climatology. Bottom line, it’s the economics that really matter beyond all else.

    Backdrop* – The day after President Trump announced his decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Treaty, the German auto-sector immediately responded* with a statement. We see the immediate admission that ‘climate’ is simply a tool to shape global economics within that reactionary auto industry statement (emphasis mine):

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/merkel-trump-2.jpg

    (Via Reuters) […] “The regrettable announcement by the USA makes it inevitable that Europe must facilitate a cost efficient and economically feasible climate policy to remain internationally competitive,” Matthias Wissmann, president of the German auto industry lobby group VDA, said in a statement on Friday.

    The preservation of our competitive position is the precondition for successful climate protection. This correlation is often underestimated,” Wissmann said, adding that the decision by the Unites States was disappointing. (link)

    As clearly stated, when push comes to shove German sensibilities are connected more to their economics than to any do-gooder need to save the planet. This reality, in combination with upcoming German elections, sets the stage for Angela Merkel’s statement today, three months later:
    Continue reading *→
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/08/20/the-bloom-is-off-the-ruse-germanys-angela-merkel-quietly-retreating-from-paris-climate-treaty/#more-137454

  100. stackja

    Julian Cadman, reported as a dual citizen, would not have been allowed to stand for parliament.

  101. Geriatric Mayfly

    Gucci Grace flies home to Harare, with Bobby, and no prosecution for assault in South Africa. Down there on a private trip, but claimed diplomatic immunity. I notice, that Bobby grounded a plane at Harare airport belonging to South African Airlines, as a quid pro quo for the vile bitch.

  102. stackja

    At War With the Army 1950 [Full Movie] Stars: Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, Mike Kellin

  103. min

    A couple of days ago there was apiece on here by Tommy Robinson with 2 pictures of dead children one was the little boy who drowned and how all the SJWs condemned others for his death whilst for the other no complaints about Muslims killing the other child.
    Have a look at the picture and compare the photo of the little Australian boy killed in Barcelona , the clothes he was wearing from a photo taken earlier in the day . Why did it take so long to identify him there were relatives there for the wedding.?

  104. notafan

    Antifa ‘peace through violence’ is exactly the same as the ‘religion of peace’s jihad campaign to bring islamic ‘peace’ to the world.

  105. notafan

    Because his head was crushed with brain matter oozing out and these things should be done properly?

  106. calli

    Min I suspect the name wasn’t released until his mother was told.

  107. Hydra

    min – assume he was taken to a hospital and they could not find him

  108. notafan

    James Wood did the right thing referring the matter to the police.

    Death threats to anyone should be unacceptable.

  109. val majkus

    some pointers for Stewart Cameron and the Oz

    If you get your political updates through ordinary channels – MSM; local news; the major newspapers; and popular website newsies such as Yahoo, Facebook, and more recently Drudge – you most likely feel that America is imploding, all due to the chaos of the Trump administration.

    The goal is to wear you down, if not wear you out, until you agree that Trump must go.

    The stakes rise with each new Trump achievement, commensurate with the rising decibel level of those who express outrage at whatever he says. That’s what happens when your cherished assumptions are disproven day after day. It’s comical and also understandable. No one likes to admit that he is wrong. Or that they are wrong on a regular basis. It’s embarrassing and humiliating – especially if you are touted as an expert journalist or commentator, at least by virtue of being on TV.

    That’s why you hear little or nothing about:

    the current NAFTA negotiations
    Kim Jong-un blinking
    China threatening a trade war and then blinking
    the U.S. becoming a net energy exporter
    our diminishing trade imbalance
    the amazing rise to nearly 4% GDP growth in the 2017 third quarter
    forecasters suggesting that GDP could grow to 5 or 6% annualized
    a rise in manufacturing investments in the U.S.
    more full-time jobs among the middle class
    the Syrian crisis
    the continuing fall of ISIS in the Middle East
    Wall Street’s record highs as they turn to embrace Main Street
    the public’s opposition to the destruction of historic statues and memorials
    an abhorrence of radical and violent activists on all sides, most all of whom abide on the left fringe
    Russian collusion
    the Awan brothers
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    Hillary and the Clinton Foundation entities
    the wall
    immigration
    et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
    Trump is winning – BIGLY. It’s almost too easy. He’s focused on results, period. The rest is just distraction, much of it orchestrated by anti-Trumpers who insist that you really can get a different result if you repeat the same experiment enough times. They still don’t get it because they don’t want to get it. They have dug in their heels. That’s why I find it funny. Trump is playing them every step of the way.

    The people who get it are the American workers – the ones who watch Dirty Jobs, follow Mike Rowe on Facebook, and are happy to find an extra two hundred dollars at the end of the month. Soon enough, others will, too. It just takes time. Trump is making it happen before our very eyes.

    R. Stephen Bowden blogs at the Steve Bowden Journal.

  110. Senile Old Guy

    From the piece cited:

    On Tuesday night the latest bastion against religious intolerance was swept away, as the Dáil voted unanimously to repeal Section 37 of the state’s Employment Equality Act. Section 37 granted specific exemptions for “religious, educational or medical institutions” when it came to gay rights, allowing them “to maintain the religious ethos of the institution”.

    It is not “religious intolerance” that was “swept away”, it was personal belief. The state now mandates acceptance of “gay marriage” and will prosecute any who do not accept.

    People, vote “NO” in the plebiscite.

    Vote “NO”.

    Anything other than a strong “NO” vote, will give the leftists politicians permission to change traditions of hundreds, or thousands, of years to cater to left wing pretensions.

  111. Hydra

    I would have thought it would be entirely sensible in this age of social media snooping.

    If my clients got ahold of my Snapchat stories…

  112. notafan

    After seeing the little girl in three pieces in Stockholm I’d assume that there were very good reasons the little boy was not identified immediately.

    No wonder people prefer 🐈 pictures.


    Read the article and the comment by the English man

  113. stackja

    SHY says PHON put us at risk.

  114. herodotus

    I saw a program years ago where Jerry Lewis visited the very old Stan Laurel, who he admired and said this is the funniest man of all.
    Here’s the classic sequence where they go AWOL from the Foreign Legion but can’t resist a little song and dance routine on their way out! Olly sings Shine On Harvest Moon. It’s only a couple of minutes on You Tube, well worth revisiting.

  115. Hydra

    Srr

    Libertarianism does not approve of social media censorship but it is not for government to regulate what content these companies allow.

    Surely you know this.

  116. Des Deskperson

    I’m waiting for the first ‘progressive’ to come out squawking about how we are all upset about the white boy killed in Barcelona but no one cares about the poor little brown Sharrouf kiddies killed by Australia – or some words to that effect.

    It’s the sort of mental and moral poverty I would expect from, say, ‘First Dog on the Moon’.

  117. notafan

    Shy is right.

    There are no degrees of separation between offending muslims and terrorism.

  118. Hydra

    Don’t give him ideas, Des.

  119. Rabz

    What a preposterous hatful of arseholes.

    Look carefully at the pic, as there’s quite a few notable nonentities in there.

    Trigger warning – vile collectivist cockheads

  120. stackja

    notafan
    #2475001, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:26 am
    James Wood did the right thing referring the matter to the police.

    Death threats to anyone should be unacceptable.

    Kathy Griffin inspired?

  121. notafan

    Sharouff kids were white and the little boy in Barcelona half and half but otherwise most likely.

  122. val majkus

    more pointers

    ….As president, Donald Trump submits a budget – more a formality than anything legislative, as Congress is charged with creating and passing a budget. Despite this constitutional requirement, the U.S. Senate in 2015 passed its first budget in six years. They are way too busy doing nothing to get around to doing their jobs.

    Trump appropriately named his budget “A New Foundation For American Greatness” in keeping with his campaign theme of “Make America Great Again.” As for great expectations, Trump’s budget predicted annual economic growth of 3 percent. How did the media react? Predictably.

    NBC said it was “optimistic, to say the least,” reminding readers that Trump’s expectation was “[a]lmost double the country’s 1.6 percent growth in 2016, and a pace that hasn’t been seen in almost 20 years.” NBC trotted out Clinton treasury secretary Larry Summers, who remarked, “Such a budget would only work if you believe in tooth fairies.” Careful, Larry – that sounds like a microaggression.

    This is the same Larry Summers who, way ahead of his time, was “Googled” by Harvard University, meaning fired, because he dared to initiate a discussion of differences between the sexes in engineering fields. It is fun to watch when the left eats its own.

    CBS News joined the chorus, asserting, “Achieving 3 percent GDP growth is highly unlikely.” U.S. News jumped in, describing Trump’s budget as “indefensible” and “totally unrealistic.” CNBC would give Trump only 1.9-percent growth rather than the 3 percent he predicted, calling it “unrealistic given the current trend line.”

    FiveThirtyEight, which predicted a Hillary Clinton landslide victory, said, “Trump’s budget is built on a fantasy.” Slate channeled its inner child with this headline “Trump’s Growth Forecasts Are the Budgetary Equivalent of Putting Your Fingers in Your Ears and Yelling, Na Na Na Na Na.”

    You get the point. The wizards of smart weighed in, declaring the science settled. They had their 97-percent consensus that Trump was an idiot for making such a prediction – much like how he was an idiot for believing he would win the Republican nomination and then the presidency. We know how that worked out.

    Imagine their surprise when the smart set read this Reuters headline from a week ago: “Atlanta Fed estimates U.S. third-quarter GDP growing at 4.0 percent.” That’s a full point higher than even Trump predicted.

    Running a quick Google search on “Atlanta fed GDP 4 percent,” I did not see many mainstream news sites listed. Newsmax, Breitbart, and The Conservative Treehouse were the primary sites reporting this. These are websites that are not part of the journalistic NeverTrump swamp. Where were CNN and CBS on this story?

    Answer? Too busy piling on President Trump to report anything favorable to him or his administration. The other night, CBS Evening News dedicated 100 percent of its newscast to Trump’s Charlottesville news conference. All told, the big three newscasts spent 77 percent of their broadcast time on Trump and Charlottesville the evening of his presser.

    That was only after tearing themselves away from barking at the Trump Russia collusion moon incessantly. Or claiming that the Barcelona terror attack was a copycat of Charlottesville, having forgotten dozens of “vehicle-ramming attacks” going back as far as Beirut in 1981.

    It’s no wonder that only about 20 percent of Americans trust the information they get from local or national news, according to the Pew Research Center. It also explains why President Trump keeps using his Twitter account, much to the consternation of the media. How else can he get his message out? Or share good news?

    If President Obama had 4-percent economic growth at any time during his presidency, that would be the lead and likely only news story on the evening newscasts. Instead, Obama’s average annual GDP growth rate was 1.48 percent, never a single year above 3 percent, making him the only president in history to never hit the 3-percent mark. I don’t recall hearing much about that on the evening news.

    Imagine if Congress were on board with Trump and his budget. Economic growth would be through the roof. Republican congressional majorities would grow. Sideshow stories of Russian collusion and White House staff shake-ups would be irrelevant. Too bad Congress’s main accomplishment this year has been criticizing and obstructing the president.

    What’s the lesson? Aside from not taking mainstream news seriously, be skeptical and read behind the headlines. Choose your news sources carefully. Understand that the big media have long given up any sense of objectively reporting the news. Instead, they are part of an organized effort to rewrite history and destroy President Trump, his agenda, and his supporters. With that as your premise, discerning the real news becomes much easier.

    Brian C Joondeph, M.D., MPS is a Denver-based physician and writer.

  123. incoherent rambler

    Adjust your thinking cats.
    There will be many more Barcelonas.
    It will continue until the incentives for such things are removed and strong disincentives are implemented.

  124. Geriatric Mayfly

    The 7 year old Ozzie missing in Barcelona has been found – dead. ‘Look away,’ will be the message we get from certain media. Best concentrate on the International Conventions that should have protected those Sharouff poppets and our involvement in that targeted attack. Had our 7 year old been taken by a shark in Barcelona harbour; the media would be at wits’ end to cover every detail.

  125. stackja

    notafan
    #2475005, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:30 am

    The site of the attack has become a memorial as people pay tribute with flowers, messages and candles along Barcelona’s historic Las Ramblas promenade. Picture: Manu Fernandez/AP PhotoSource:AP

  126. Geriatric Mayfly

    Pardon Des D. Just spotted your 8:33 comment which covered much the same ground as mine which came after.

  127. val majkus

    People, vote “NO” in the plebiscite.

    the TV and facebook ads are calling it a ‘postal survey’
    meaning of plebiscite

    a direct vote of the qualified voters of a state in regard to some important public question.

    meaning of survey … well it’s different
    why the change in the noun

  128. Mike of Marion

    So if the HCA ‘approve’ the postal plebiscite:
    ABS will conduct the Survey!!

    At what point will the ABS MailRoom catch fire?
    Will the fire totally wipe out the “NO” Ballot Papers? and
    What will the Fire Brigade Response time be?

  129. stackja

    notafan
    #2475019, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:38 am

    linky
    And my anger must be controlled.

  130. RIP Jerry.
    A true genius.
    I remember watching Lewis and Dean movies on TV as a kid.
    He gave an interview last year (IIRC) and he was as sharp as a tack.

    Indeed. I remember many a Sunday afternoon in the early ’80s watching these shows with my family and relatives shedding copious amounts of tears of laughter. RIP.

  131. Hydra

    the TV and facebook ads are calling it a ‘postal survey’
    meaning of plebiscite

    a direct vote of the qualified voters of a state in regard to some important public question.

    meaning of survey … well it’s different
    why the change in the noun

    Look at who is paying for the ads.

    In Vic it is the Victorian Government.

    They are not official ads. They are propaganda to get young people (who are less likely to be enrolled) tp enrol.

  132. val majkus

    oh … is this the answer to that question

    …Shorten described the survey as a “legal artifice” and “dodge” designed to sidestep the parliament, which blocked a compulsory plebiscite, by using the ABS to run the vote….

  133. notafan

    Skynews had an article but the linky no worktop.

    Rest in peace Julian Cadman

    Flowers and candles are not the solution.

    Remember that little Japanese boy in Paris after Bataclan, the look on his face when his prog father made that comment.

  134. Hydra

    Val – think the Atlanta amount is an outlier, probably why not reported. NY Fed has 2.1%.

  135. Roger

    Nonetheless Ó Ríordáin has signalled that the repeal won’t be the last of Ireland’s reforms to accommodate the LGBT lifestyle.

    Take note.

    I’m sure we too will have a “Minister for Equality” under Labor.

  136. val majkus

    thanks Mike and Hydra; suspect you’re right … well, hopefully not about the fire

  137. Senile Old Guy

    Eileen Cummings was raised by missionaries on remote Croker Island, off the Top End’s north coast, for decades unaware that her family was living just across the water. “We had nothing, we didn’t have our parents, we didn’t have our community, we didn’t have our country and we were put on a mission that we didn’t know anything about.” Now the chair of the NT Stolen Generations Corporation, Ms Cummings was four years old and living on Mainoru Station, halfway between Katherine and Nhulunbuy, when a native affairs officer took her from her family.

    I thought that the stolen generations stuff was not about money.

    She’s one of 150 Stolen Generations members still alive in the NT who have sent letters to federal ministers calling for the Commonwealth to follow other states’ leads in creating a compensation scheme.

    Odd but Eileen Cummings story may not be entirely accurate.

    From a review of Cummings’ book “Paint me black”:

    Yet there was sadness in Henty-Gebert’s heart:

    … I would never see my mother again. To this day I don’t understand why I can’t remember being taken away from my family… I believe I will find the answer to my loss of memory one day and hopefully my family research will help me piece together the missing years of my childhood.

    There is even more missing from this ABC piece:

    Darwin was bombed by the Japanese on 19th February 1942. The children [Eileen Cummings] and missionaries were still on the island[Croker Island] and now potentially in great danger. In early 1942 they left the island and walked through Arnhem Land to Nourlangie. They spent some time at the military base at Pine Creek which was where American soldiers were based:

    The American soldiers were very good to us. Our camp was made ‘out of bounds’, and they gave us a guard to watch over us every night. Bombing raids were conducted over Darwin every day now, and enemy planes were coming down over Pine Creek and as far south as Katherine. From Pine Creek the children and their carers continued an epic journey south to their wartime refuge near Sydney.

    Our Australian government took these children away from harm (being bombed), to safety:

    Claire Henty-Gebert was one of those children evacuated from Croker Island under the care of Margaret Somerville and her fellow missionaries.

    Was she treated badly? In hindsight, probably yes. But the government of the day also kept them safe from Japanese bombing raids. Of which there were many, many (Wikipedia):

    The Bombing of Darwin, also known as the Battle of Darwin,[4] on 19 February 1942 was the largest single attack ever mounted by a foreign power on Australia. While the number of bombs dropped on Darwin (681 bombs weighing 114,100 kilograms (251,500 lb) by 205 bombers) exceeded those dropped on Pearl Harbor (457 bombs [including 40 torpedoes]) weighing 133,560 kilograms (294,450 lb) by 273),[115][116] loss of life was much greater at Pearl Harbor (more than 2,400 people) than Darwin (236 people) due to the presence of capital ships and the catastrophic loss of a single battleship, the USS Arizona, and its 1,177 men.[1][117][118]

  138. Roger

    Shorten and Plibersek now under dual citizenship cloud.

    Will not produce documentation.

    Prorogue this parliament!

  139. Oldozzie

    calli
    #2474964, posted on August 21, 2017 at 7:20 am
    Old crazy eyes SHY on Seven lecturing Hanson on terrorism. “Putting the entire country at risk!” she bleats.

    Hanson just sits and smiles. Sarah wasn’t even there. Probably off whale watching.

    Calli,

    Probably off whale watching</strong -Sarah Hanson Young was probably looking at herself in the Mirror

  140. notafan

    If Xenophon is British overseas citizen then do is shorten

  141. thefrolickingmole

    Notafan

    So the fact he actually followed the law rather than creatively interpreted it as per his own personal views on slavery made him a target?

    Miller also noted that Taney was personally against slavery – calling it “a blot on our national character” – and had freed his own slaves early in his life. Taney also was pro-Unionist, and continued to serve on the Supreme Court during the Civil War.
    “Taney was not a Confederate officer, and he remained loyal to the Union until his death in 1864,” he said.

    What a peculiar target for effacement by the year zero creeps.

  142. val majkus

    predictably from the Oz

    No democratic government has so reliably provided so much entertainment as the Trump administration. Yet the West Wing capers are obfuscating a bigger problem, and one the departure of the President’s adviser Steve Bannon will exacerbate: the US is rapidly going broke.

    Just when you thought the Trump presidency might calm down, a furious presidential tweet threatens war or another key Republican figure is humiliated. Yet for all the scandals, sackings and gaffes, there remained hope congress would pass legislation to boost ordinary Americans’ wages and their waning respect for the US political and economic system, and blast away the crust of self-serving regulation turning the world’s biggest economy into a corporatist plutocracy.

    Seven months in, it’s looking grim. Trump’s biggest achievement so far, despite representing a party that controls congress, has been appointing a judge, Neil Gorsuch, to the Supreme Court.

    Ronald Reagan, at the same point in his presidency, in August 1981, had signed into law a sweeping tax overhaul, which cut the top marginal tax rate from 70 per cent to 50 per cent, with the support of a Democrat-controlled House of Representatives.

    Likewise, Bill Clinton in August 1993 rewrote the tax code to tame America’s ballooning federal deficit, mainly by lifting the top marginal tax rate to 39.6 per cent on incomes higher than $US250,000 a year.

    The best that can be said of Trump’s fiscal plans is that they will bring forward the great reckoning in US finances, when the ­future starts calling in the promises made by today’s generation.

    Thomas Jefferson penned a letter to James Madison in 1789 that said “no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence”. That, like so many other founding principles, has been politely ignored.

    The US federal government will borrow almost $US700 billion this year, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which is $US134bn more than it estimated when Trump was inaugurated.

    By October, the US government’s official debt will bump up against the current debt limit of $US19.81 trillion — equivalent to a little more than 100 per cent of US gross domestic product. Once that legislative nicety is dispensed with, the US government will be on track to borrow $US1 trillion a year by 2022 according to the CBO, not much shy of Spain’s entire annual output.

    That official picture is woefully optimistic, though. US official debt is determined by arbitrary accounting rules — that is, what is on or off balance sheet. The actual total US debt is more than $US200 trillion. That’s not a mistake; it’s the difference, in today’s dollars, between what the US government has promised to pay and what it will collect in tax into the future.

    Laurence Kotlikoff, a Boston University economics professor, has worked out closing that gap would require an immediate hike of 50 per cent in federal taxes, or slashing spending by one third (printing money is the cheeky third option). Seventeen Nobel prize winners in economics agree with him, and have urged the US government to pass the Inform Act, which would mandate honesty in government accounting.

    The main reason the actual debt is so much higher is because future social security and healthcare cost outlays, which are far greater than the projected tax revenues, aren’t formally counted as debts. Australia is broke too, by the way, just not so badly. A few years back the Productivity Commission reckoned Australian ­governments would need to lift tax by 21 per cent to close the equivalent gap.

    Anyway, Trump’s budget aims would make the situation worse. His plan to slash corporate and personal income tax relies on the discredited idea that big tax cuts fuel a growth bonanza that ensures the cuts pay for themselves. No one credible believes that.

    Trump has also binned the great policy hope his election offered: turning the US corporate tax into what’s called a “destination-based cashflow” tax — a simpler system that would have drawn real economic activity back to the US, removed the artificial subsidy to debt in the tax code and, according to a study released this week, lifted US workers’ wages by 6 per cent and the US economy by 8 per cent within a few years

    “The cashflow tax arguably moves US business taxation from indirectly taxing wages to primarily taxing wealth,” the authors say, noting “young people and future generations benefit the most”.

    There were plenty of passive reasons to support Trump — disdain for the Democrats, Hillary Clinton, the amusement Trump Derangement Syndrome provides, and so on. One active reason was Trump’s association with people who wanted to shake up US policy. Bannon, for instance, had repeatedly decried “crony capitalism” in the US, which he said had enriched “a very small subset of people”.

    “We have virtually 100 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities. That is all because you’ve had this kind of crony capitalism in Washington, DC,” he said in 2014, ­slamming the “Republican establishment” as “really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they’re going to comport themselves and how they’re going to run things”.

    He was half right about the level of liabilities. Time will tell how right he is about the other bit. But signs aren’t promising. A month before his sacking Bannon reportedly urged lifting the top marginal tax rate to 44 per cent for income above US$5 million a year. Top Republicans baulked, arguing it would sap incentives for effort. Bannon’s nemesis at the White House, Gary Cohn, a former Goldman Sachs chief, is now favourite to become head of the Federal Reserve, which bailed out the Wall Street banks in 2008.

    Like this comment

    Frank 1 HOUR AGO
    Nice try, but you should have written this article over Obama’s tenure. He raised US debt by $9 TRILLION or 86% on many of his socialist reforms. No journalist then or now dares mention a word of criticism.

    Poor old Donald turns up, slices the debt by $100 Billion in a few months in offices but hey – lets give it a name, Bannonomics or Trumpenomics etc! I remember when the word Reaganomics was also widely used too. Oddly all that sneering jargon is dropped and forgotten when an incompetent Democrat president arrives on the scene.

  143. notafan

    Moley

    Nothing gets in the way of post truth.

  144. Robert Mc

    Sarah wasn’t even there. Probably off whale watching.

    In the Senate Chamber on Pauline Hanson Burqa Day? Sarah Hanson-Heifer was the vertically-challenged female sitting right behind Di Natale. She was the first person to rise after Brandis’ blubbering, and led the seal clapping effort. No surprise, as she is known for her own blubbering in the Senate Chamber.

    [‘blubbering’: not a reference to whale-watching]

  145. Bruce of Newcastle

    It will continue until the incentives for such things are removed and strong disincentives are implemented.

    The authorities have it well in hand.

    Barcelona train station protected by PLANT POTS amid fears of another ISIS attack

    Such imposing plant pots! They are certain to disincentivize those terrorists.

  146. Senile Old Guy

    Trigger warning – vile collectivist cockheads

    Standing under signs which say “Equality is not negotiable”.

    Which means “equality” will be be enforced by the power of the state.

    It is something of a shame that Lord Waffle, and fellow travelers, have ruined the Liberal party.

  147. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    MEDIA
    ABC online ignores Muslim lawyer Haset Sali’s burka ban support

    The Australian
    12:00AM August 21, 2017
    152
    Stephen Brook
    Media Diary
    Sydney
    @ViscountBrooky

    The story about a well-known Muslim’s support of senator Pauline Hanson’s plans for a burka ban was so counterintuitive to make it a hit on social media.

    But more than 2000 shares on Facebook was not enough to see the story picked up by the ABC’s online news site.

    On Friday, Haset Sali, a Muslim lawyer and businessman, was interviewed on ABC Sunshine Coast local radio in Queensland.

    Mr Sali, described by ABC Sunshine Coast as a “prominent Australian Muslim”, told presenter Jon Coghill in an interview that he supported Senator Hanson’s push to ban the burka.

    A former president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and one of its founders, Mr Sali told the ABC that the Koran did not require women to cover their faces.

    “I don’t often applaud Pauline Hanson — whether it’s a stunt or an initiative to highlight something that’s unnecessary baggage that has been dumped in with Islam — (but) it’s about time the myth of the burka being Islamic dress was blown out of the water,” he told the ABC.

    “The sooner Muslim women get rid of this hideous garb the better.”

    From the Oz. Your ABC at work.

  148. Snoopy

    Shorten and Plibersek now under dual citizenship cloud.

    Will not produce documentation.

    Prorogue this parliament!

    What do we want?

    Black letter High Court decision. Now!

  149. thefrolickingmole

    The gruinaid, showing where its sympathies lie with a puff piece on Nort Korean propaganda art.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2017/aug/20/north-koreas-propaganda-art-in-pictures#comment-103925099

    I assume the old German ones werent available.

    Worth a look for poster number 3, I think Hillaries new dildo arrived.

  150. Boambee John

    Noticed on the news last night the families of the dead Barcelona attackers out in the street weeping, wailing and gnashing teeth, performing for the media, who then happily disseminated the resulting propaganda.

    To borrow a phrase often used by the left, “Have you (both families and media) no shame?”

  151. calli

    Sarah wasn’t even there.

    Hanson’s words as she referred to the security checks before entering the chamber. So how would SHY know.

    Probably off whale watching.

    My own evil take. Mea culpa. It was too juicy to resist.

  152. Des Deskperson

    GM, your comment was pithier and smarter then mine.

  153. Haidee

    Thanks for that link to Laurel & Hardy. It was Stan Laurel who was the genius.
    He said he married all his hobbies.

  154. Rowan Dean:

    So — again, like most sensible people — I put these two conflicting arguments together and asked the obvious question: surely there can be some new form of legal civil union with an appropriately respectful phrasing and dignified ceremony that denotes a homosexual coupling for life with the intention of raising a family where children are intended to be the biological offspring of one of the pair? Maybe some ad guru could come up with a funky new word for it, because, with all due respect, that is not what the word “marriage” means.

    Note the problem therein? The “coupling” and the “raising a family where children are intended to be the biological offspring of one of the pair” are completely separable, not only in a small number of instances but in every and all instances. Moreover, using the word “coupling” to describe both opposite-sex cases and same-sex cases is nothing more than an equivocation because they are entirely different.
    Given these manifest differences, there was never any need to provide “all the equal rights, recognition and dignity” that marriage enjoyed. All it required, if it was to be recognized at all as a matter of law, were the rights and dignity appropriate to such a relationship.

  155. stackja

    2GB just played Jerry Lewis interview. Podcast probably soon.

  156. Frank

    Trigger warning – vile collectivist cockheads

    Tits still needs a bra. He should have lost it by now with all the running for the cameras.

  157. Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastle at 0859

    Western governments will do everything short of taking effective action to protect their citizens from NTDWI terrorism.

    Vote them out, confiscate their superannuation, and give it to the victims of their misbegotten policies!

  158. Geriatric Mayfly

    Barcelona train station protected by PLANT POTS amid fears of another ISIS attack

    What’s that then, Poirot, behind the aspidistra?

  159. stackja

    The ship Dunbar (1854-1857): New South Wales’ worst shipping tragedy

    The shipwreck
    The doomed clipper arrived off Sydney Heads at night on Thursday 20 August 1857 after 81 days at sea. Heavy rain impaired vision, obscuring the cliffs at the entrance to Port Jackson.

    Captain Green had made a number of visits to Port Jackson and had been captain on the Dunbar on its 1856 voyage. On squaring up for the run into port, Green may have believed they were overshooting the entrance at North Head and tried to make a quick turn in. However, when the shout “breakers ahead!” was heard, the Dunbar was still south of the entrance almost under the Macquarie Lighthouse. The ship broached and was driven by the swell heavily into the towering black cliffs. Another theory has the officers mistaking “The Gap” for the entrance to the harbour when tacking towards the Heads.

    In any event, the impact brought down the topmasts while mounting seas stove in the lifeboats. Lying on its side against the cliffs, the ship began to break up almost immediately. One crewman, James Johnson, found himself hurled onto the rocks where he managed to gain a finger hold. Scrambling higher, he became the sole survivor looking down on a sea of bodies.

    Dawn gradually unveiled the enormity of the tragedy. The death toll staggered the population. James Johnson clung to his precarious hold on the rock ledge until the morning of the 22nd when he was noticed from the cliff top.

    Some 20,000 people lined George Street for the funeral procession on Monday 24 August. Banks and offices closed, every ship in harbour flew their ensigns at half mast, minute guns were fired and seven hearses and over one hundred carriages slowly moved by. The later loss of the Catherine Adamson just 9 weeks later prompted construction of the red and white Hornby Lighthouse on the tip of South Head, to mark the actual entrance.

  160. notafan

    The Irish legislation is horrendous but not surprising. I expect Catholic institutions now face property confiscation and gaol.

    Just like under Henry the Eighth only better.

    I suppose 93 years of freedom of worship was better than nothing.

  161. John64

    The lyingest liar to ever lead The Liars wants us all to believe him:

    Bill Shorten says he renounced his British citizenship “years ago” but has refused to provide documentary evidence, as the government accuses him of warning colleagues against seeking clarification over their eligibility to sit in parliament.

    Declaring that the ALP did not have a dual-citizenship problem, the Opposition Leader said he did not expect his MPs to “jump through hoops” to prove they met a constitutional requirement they had already adhered to.

    The Australian was told Mr Shorten renounced his British citizenship in May 2006, before nomin­ating for the 2007 election, but he said he felt no obligation to produce the paperwork because he “knew it to be true”.

    “I did renounce my citizenship many years ago … We haven’t done anything wrong,” he said.

    Mr Shorten received British citizenship by descent through his father, William Robert Shorten, who emigrated from Newcastle upon Tyne to Australia before the Labor leader was born. His father, largely estranged from his son in the later years of his life, worked as a marine engineer before becoming a dry-dock manager on Melbourne’s ports.

    Attorney-General George Brandis said yesterday the government would be asking the High Court to deal urgently with the citizenship question.

    Under pressure to demote dual citizens Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce and Nationals deputy leader Fiona Nash from cabinet, the government has tried to turn the spotlight back on Labor — producing a list of MPs it says have “potential” citizenship issues.

    These include Susan Lamb, Tony Zappia, Maria Vamvakinou and Justine Keay, who have prod­uced timelines of their dual-citizenship renunciation, as well as Labor frontbenchers Penny Wong, Brendan O’Connor, Tanya Plibersek and Katy Gallagher.

    The government is targeting these MPs because none has provided documentation to back up assertions they revoked their foreign­ citizenship before running for parliament (Ms Vamvakinou, Mr Zappia, Mr O’Connor and senators Wong and Gallagher), or took “reasonable steps” to do so (Ms Keay, Ms Lamb), or never had dual citizenship (Ms Plibersek).

    Also in the government’s spotlight is Tasmanian senator Lisa Singh, who shared a letter from the British high commission in Canberra stating she ceased to be a British citizen on August 18, 2010 — three days before that year’s election but more than two weeks after nominations to run closed.

    Under section 44 of the Constitution, a person can be disqualified from parliament if they are a “subject or a citizen or entitled to the rights or privileges of a subject or a citizen of a foreign power” at the time of nominating. There is an exception­ if a candidate took “reasonable steps” to renounce their nationality before they nomin­ated, depending on their case’s particular circumstances.

    Senator Singh said she applied to renounce her British citizenship on July 23, 2010, six days before nominations closed, but would withhold her documents because she did not want them “leaked all over the media” again.

    Senator Brandis, said Labor was the only political party “playing games” and “being less than forthright” in the constitutional fiasco. “Bill Shorten seems to be operating a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy,’’ Senator Brandis told Sky News’s Sunday Agenda program. “That is less than one is entitled to expect of the man who’s the alternative prime minister of Australia. If there is anyone who is a threat to the integrity of the parliament at the moment, it is Shorten, because of the devious tactics that he has employed.”

    Several Labor and Coalition MPs have released documents or shown them to journalists to clear themselves of any doubt, while at least half a dozen government members — including Julia Banks and Michael Keenan — have refused­ to offer paperwork. South Australian Liberal MP Tony Pasin invited The Australian to sight documents from the Italian consulate that say he never ­acquired citizenship and wasn’t eligible to apply.

    Senator Brandis said it was likely the cases of MPs already referred­ to the High Court would be heard in October.

  162. notafan

    People should never forget that muslims believe that any land ever held by muslims, no matter how briefly, or how long ago, remains forever muslim.

    Not handing it over is fuel for islamic victimised.

    They want ‘al Andalusia’ back and they don’t care about how that happens.

    One does suspect that this attack might set back their demands for the cathedral in Cordoba a trifle though.


    Waleed gets a flogging

  163. srr

    min
    #2474995, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:22 am

    A couple of days ago there was apiece on here by Tommy Robinson with 2 pictures of dead children one was the little boy who drowned and how all the SJWs condemned others for his death whilst for the other no complaints about Muslims killing the other child.
    Have a look at the picture and compare the photo of the little Australian boy killed in Barcelona , the clothes he was wearing from a photo taken earlier in the day . Why did it take so long to identify him there were relatives there for the wedding.?

    The message is, as has always been – they breed children to sacrifice in their war against us, so slaughtering ours is nothing to them, so shut up, bow and submit!

    Westerners who bought the, ‘hippy jesus, love evil better‘, lie, are still paralyzed by all the Commie UN’s deceptions.

  164. The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech.

    I’m a libertarian, but I must confess that I seem to disagree with all other libertarians.

    In any case, the answer is simple. Adam Smith banged on about voluntary contracts as being just and beneficial. The agreements you speak of are not simple trades between two parties for exchange of goods or services, but agreements between two parties to screw a third. There are laws against this, but they are insufficiently broad and require written proof. Such agreements are fundamentally unethical as they involve an involuntary third party.

    Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

  165. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #2475017, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:37 am

    1940 France
    1941 Pearl Harbor
    1942 Singapore
    1942 Kokoda

  166. H B Bear

    So the Australian Liars Party who have had more members jailed than any other political party and who last governed with the support of an MP who stood on the floor of the parliament and lied about defrauding his union employer says “Trust us”. Only the Trumble Coalition Team would believe that.

  167. srr

    Another verballing speck of fly shit –

    Hydra
    #2475009, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:33 am
    Srr

    Libertarianism does not approve of social media censorship but it is not for government to regulate what content these companies allow.

    Surely you know this.

    How many lying, verballing Dot Bots infect this place, ffs ,,, and why do so many give them all a pass 🙄

  168. rickw

    Such imposing plant pots! They are certain to disincentivize those terrorists.

    Installations in Afghanistan were protected by earth filled Hesco bastions, they weren’t always successful as the Taliban simply modified tactics, use a large truck or vehicle bomb to breach, then follow up with an attack on foot.

    To ensure that we have an authentic ME feel, we should put hesco bastions everywhere:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion

  169. Zyconoclast

    I thought the buggers were there to teach.

    That’s the problem, they want to teach buggery.

  170. Roger

    …he said he felt no obligation to produce the paperwork because he “knew it to be true”.

    Try telling that to the judge, son.

    What an arrogant prick.

  171. Nick

    Did SHY tell us who Hanson had put at risk from and why ? Surely it wouldn’t be from the same people she has stridently defended as being peace loving ?

  172. Zatara

    What a peculiar target for effacement by the year zero creeps.

    Antifa ignorance isn’t isolated to that particular statue Mole. In Atlanta they defaced a peace monument thinking it was a Confederate one.

    The Peace Monument is NOT a Confederate memorial. It was erected to honor those who worked to reunify the country after Reconstruction. https://t.co/vX7sERAB8S

    — G O L D I E. (@goldietaylor) August 14, 2017

  173. Boston Antifa‏
    @AntifaBoston
    Follow
    More
    No room for capitalists, conservatives, libertarians, “classical liberals” or supporters of the US constitution in our city. #BostonResist

    But according to m0nty, they’re not totalitarian losers.
    Go figure.

    Sorry, Balders, but that site is fake.

    The funny thing is that Muttley hadn’t picked it up. Even in winning, he somehow manages to find a rake and tread on it.

  174. stackja

    Australian federal election, 2010
    From Wikipedia
    A federal election was held on Saturday, 21 August 2010 for members of the 43rd Parliament of Australia.
    Greens MP Adam Bandt and independent MPs Andrew Wilkie, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor declared their support for Labor on confidence and supply.

  175. Roger

    …they weren’t always successful as the Taliban simply modified tactics

    As will the jihadis here.

    With sports venues and the like able to afford strict security measures they will target church and school fetes.

  176. calli

    SHY was quivering with rage. And she and Hanson were talking over each other.

    Seven will have it on rapid rotation, possibly on the evening news. Get ready to chuckle though.

  177. The Coalition’s claim that SS’M” is going to happen anyway, so it is better for the opponents if they just meekly submit and let the Coalition write the legislation, rather, than the ALP is so dumb that it is beyond belief. Not only is it analogous to a plea deal or face the uncertainty of a trial, but it assumes without warrant that even if they write the legislation the ALP would be unable to amend the legislation.

  178. stackja

    TA on 2GB talking from a remote community.

  179. Nick

    From Bolta:

    What a surrender. Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young excuses the next jihadists to kill us, blaming the victims for not respecting a black sack that robs women of identity and power:

    As I said, the terrorists aren’t the godless cowards here:

    Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young has accused Pauline Hanson of “doing ISIS’s work” as she criticised the One Nation leader for wearing a burka in the federal parliament.

    Senator Hanson-Young told the One Nation leader the “next attack in Australia will be on your head” and that her actions had put the country at a heightened risk of a terror attack.

    “Acts and stunts like this only serve to incite more violence and hatred from extremists on both sides, and I think that is extremely dangerous and not fit for somebody who wants to sit in parliament,” Senator Hanson-Young told Senator Hanson on Sunrise this morning.

    “You really need to reflect on the fact that security experts, foreign policy experts, have said that what you did last week will now be used as the recent kind of fodder for promoting extremism.

    “You are doing ISIS’s work for them. It is extremely dangerous; you are putting the entire country at risk.”

    Why have we allowed into Australia people who are so dangerously volatile that they will kill people if some politicians mocks the few who want women dressed in sacks?

    Do Christians kill in outrage at the regular mockery of nuns at the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras?

    Can Hanson-Young list those other things we now may not say about Islam that may inspire Muslims to kill?

    Can she list all Islamic terrorist attacks where the victims have only themselves to blame?

  180. JC

    srr
    #2475067, posted on August 21, 2017 at 9:26 am

    Another verballing speck of fly shit –

    Hydra
    #2475009, posted on August 21, 2017 at 8:33 am
    Srr

    Libertarianism does not approve of social media censorship but it is not for government to regulate what content these companies allow.

    Surely you know this.

    How many lying, verballing Dot Bots infect this place, ffs ,,, and why do so many give them all a pass 🙄

    Lol USSR.

    At the top of the page:

    Catallaxy Files
    Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog

    Start a blog and call it pizza gate, USSR.

  181. H B Bear

    Business as usual at the ALPBC staff co-op with the 7am radio news three lead stories :

    – Australian boy confirmed dead in Barcelona terrorist attack;
    – Spanish police seek co-operation from French police over search for van driver; and
    – “anti-radicalisation expert” Anne Aly on the Turnbollard safety plan

    without a single mention of Islam or muzzies.

    Ironically, they then carried quotes from their sister station North Korean radio and the US joint exercises. How long before the co-op organises a staff exchange program so they can really learn how it is done?

  182. Snoopy

    His father, largely estranged from his son in the later years of his life, worked as a marine engineer before becoming a dry-dock manager on Melbourne’s ports.

    Ah, the “waterside worker”* who endowed Bil with his working class roots.

    *Wikipedia

  183. Nick

    “Acts and stunts like this only serve to incite more violence and hatred from extremists on both sides,

    The media will be after her now, just as they did to Trump. Any second now, any second..

  184. max

    I couldn’t stand dear old hyper Jerry Lewis. He overdid the neediness.

    I completely understand why Dean Martin banished him for twenty years.

  185. stackja

    2GB TA SSM ‘leap into the dark’

  186. Robert Mc

    marine engineer … dry-dock manager

    “waterside worker”

    “waterside worker”? Nah. Not really a wharfie. Nice try, but.

  187. Baldrick

    Robert Mc
    #2475110, posted on August 21, 2017 at 9:54 am

    Fuck off troll.
    (PS – Nice bit if grammar but.)

    Grigory M
    #1908003, posted on January 6, 2016 at 6:30 pm
    I am well able to contest on grammar – against anyone, whether or not they be acknowledges as a final arbiter by others.

  188. C.L.

    Brilliant take on Trump by Bowden, Val.
    Thanks for posting.

  189. srr

    The Beer Whisperer
    #2475063, posted on August 21, 2017 at 9:20 am

    The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech.

    I’m a libertarian, but I must confess that I seem to disagree with all other libertarians.

    In any case, the answer is simple. Adam Smith banged on about voluntary contracts as being just and beneficial. The agreements you speak of are not simple trades between two parties for exchange of goods or services, but agreements between two parties to screw a third. There are laws against this, but they are insufficiently broad and require written proof. Such agreements are fundamentally unethical as they involve an involuntary third party.

    Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

    No you don’t, but it is appreciated when you do. 🙂

  190. srr

    JC, remember when respected cats said you were past it?

    They were correct.

    Now off you toddle to spoil your beloved, Pro-Child Butchery mate, m0nty, with more steak dinners.

  191. JC

    JC, remember when respected cats said you were past it?

    Nope. You’re making that up, as no “respected” Cat has ever said that. You’re confusing disrespected with respected ones. Plenty of the vermin this place attracts (like you) have, which is amusing.

    They were correct.

    LOl

    Now off you toddle to spoil your beloved, Pro-Child Butchery mate, m0nty, with more steak dinners.

    That reminds me, we’re due for a lunch meet up.

  192. Geriatric Mayfly

    The naked bias of the ABC is seldom disguised anymore. Covert, but far more insidious is this example below, where news and comment is withheld/buried to maintain the purity of their jaundiced narrative.
    It’s a rare day when this tactic is not deployed, especially regarding issues they publicly crusade.

    The burka story ABC didn’t run
    Muslim lawyer Haset Sali’s support for a burka ban was a social media hit, but the ABC online news site ignored it.

  193. H B Bear

    Increasingly the ALPBC staff co-op’s bias is one of omission.

    This morning the radio news was reporting another historical sex crime by a teacher. As the Media Watchdog repeatedly notes, still no word on the co-op producer who molested a boy while on assignment – and covered up right the way to Googles G, who picks up a pay cheque as MD and Editor-in-Chief but then goes missing just like the Nice Mr Scott.

  194. Eyrie

    The High Court should refuse to hear the matter of dual citizenship until all MP’s and Senators have provided proof of eligibility. They should only have to decide this matter once.

  195. Tintarella di Luna

    RIP Jerry.
    A true genius.
    I remember watching Lewis and Dean movies on TV as a kid.
    He gave an interview last year (IIRC) and he was as sharp as a tack.

    My twin sister who is not as shy and retiring as I bumped into Jerry Lewis in King Street, Sydney when he was last in Australia, got chatting with him and gave him a big hug and kiss. A comic genius and I bet he’s glad he’s outta here now that humour will be sanctioned by the state. Rest in Peace.

  196. Tintarella di Luna

    The lyingest liar to ever lead The Liars wants us all to believe him:

    C’mon Bill — Tony Abbott renounced his about 24 years before he entered parliament and provided a copy of the document to prove it — Where’s yours Bill it would only have been 10 years ago surely it can’t have been lost.

    Same with Penelope Ying-Yen “Penny” Wong — Malaysian birth — should have remembered giving her thumb prints at the Malaysian consulate in Canberra upon renunciation. Where is the proof Penny — Labor will never ever make admissions it is in the DNA of the Liars party.

  197. Combine Dave

    So, the poor bastards have all the responsibilities of the police to protect and serve but none of the weaponry or resources.

    The solution: ban islam; fuck the burqa, fuck halal, ban all of it. Any muslim, any place, any time ™.

    Don’t forget travel bans and other immigration controls.

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