Monday Forum: August 21, 2017

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  1. John64

    Lurking and whatdya know!

  2. incoherent rambler

    Anyone here?

  3. BrettW

    Too tempting not to claim a podium position.

  4. John64

    Is it just me or have the hamsters run out of gas after a big weekend?

  5. pete m

    Dear Greens

    If phon will cause the next terrorist act please explain what caused the thousands before that.

    Also, are you really saying islamic fundies are so mentally weak that a woman wanting to ban the burka will send them over the edge?

  6. Roger

    If phon will cause the next terrorist act please explain what caused the thousands before that.

    Middle East interventionism.

    That’s why Finland copped it on the weekend [sarc].

  7. OldOzzie

    Newspoll: Leaders stink but an ALP landslide looms

    Malcolm Turnbull is being sent a warning to make drastic changes to the way he works.

    The government has sunk further into a political bog in a Newspoll survey that shows Bill Shorten is on track for a landslide victory at the next election.

    No conspiracy theory will explain these numbers away. This is all the government’s own work.

    Turnbull and his colleagues botched the politics of the citizenship row last week by claiming Labor “treachery” in New Zealand, writing a drama that played out as comedy instead.

    Now they reap the dismal reward: a fall in the Coalition primary vote to 35 per cent while Labor storms ahead to 38 per cent, its strongest position since ­November

    The citizenship affair is just one example of a contest where the Coalition is routinely outfoxed by its opponents, who play their politics harder and faster every day.

    Labor was both devious and clever to suggest a question in the New Zealand parliament to cause trouble for Barnaby Joyce, but the Coalition response was to express outrage that the enemy was not playing fair.

    Turnbull remains the nation’s preferred leader compared to Shorten but a pattern is emerging that should trouble the government. A wave theory is at work. Turnbull widens his lead against Shorten over two or three Newspolls and then sees the gap narrow, like a series of peaks and troughs. Turnbull never loses his lead but never makes any lasting gains.

    The hard politics of the past week have taken their toll on the two leaders. Turnbull and Shorten share the same net satisfaction rating of minus 20 percentage points. Voters think they both stink.

    The consolation for Shorten is that Labor gains ground even when voters do not like the way he leads the party.

    The past fortnight began with an emergency Coalition meeting on same-sex marriage and ended with a third cabinet minister falling foul of the Constitution. The partyroom’s disagreements wiped out the first week while the leadership group stumbled in the second.

    Turnbull is now in a political trough that is deeper and longer than anything predecessors such as John Howard experienced.

    The Coalition’s primary vote fell to 35 per cent in early 2001 but Howard began recovering within months. Turnbull lacks Howard’s political cunning – but that is ­exactly what he needs to climb out of this bog.

  8. Zyconoclast

    Good line from the ABC sports writer RE the Wallabies.

    They tackled like vegans at a greased pig competition.

  9. So it’s not lost on the old thread…

    The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech.

    I’m a libertarian, but I must confess that I seem to disagree with all other libertarians.

    In any case, the answer is simple. Adam Smith banged on about voluntary contracts as being just and beneficial. The agreements you speak of are not simple trades between two parties for exchange of goods or services, but agreements between two parties to screw a third. There are laws against this, but they are insufficiently broad and require written proof. Such agreements are fundamentally unethical as they involve an involuntary third party.

    Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

  10. stackja

    2GB TA SSM ‘leap into the dark’

  11. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    Laws and taboos against upsetting the tender-minded are everywhere. Polite society, by which I mean not only successive governments, but the wider bureaucracy and mainstream opinion, holds that it is wrong to cause offence, even to those whose views are offensive; wicked to be disrespectful even of those who are not worthy of respect.

    — Nick Cohen

  12. JC

    The “libertarian” movement have nothing to say at all about large corporations working hand in glove with the state to eradicate free speech.

    How does this apply in the US? Donald Trump is the president therefore making him the head of the executive branch. Is there one example of the Trump Administration working with corps to eradicate free speech? One?

  13. OldOzzie

    Comment on the above article – Newspoll: Leaders stink but an ALP landslide looms

    How can any thinking, or even reasonably intelligent person understand why a so-called Liberal Party voted for a lifelong Labor believer as its leader? And then, that same so-called Liberal Party cannot understand why their support from their normal voters has faded – no, plummeted! The only possible escape from this hellish situation is for the true Liberals and Conservatives to give their votes to Cory Bernadi’s Senate applicants in sufficient numbers to block the Shorten/Greens attempts to complete the destruction of this once proud country’s Western principles!

  14. Shy Ted

    No sun in Adelaide for over a week now. But all that will change with the mega-solar installation. Still no funding for it of course. But the new, 50-100%-over-budget Royal Adelaide Hospital is opening for simple surgeries. The operating theatre lights are too low so tall surgeons bang their heads on them. All in all a good day, week, month.

  15. JC

    This is about right.

    Today, Fake News CNN was attempting to figure out if the US president could be sent off because of mental illness.

    In summary, Trump could not win the election — because he was a joke. Trump ended up winning, but only thanks to Russian hackers. Since Trump was helped by Russian hackers, he must’ve colluded with them. If Trump colluded with them, he should be impeached (cue Muller). Since the Mueller investigation is taking forever, let’s remove him for daring to suggest that ANTIFA thugs, who regularly beat up people for exercising free speech, were bad actors.

    Notice how Stelter posed his multi-tiered question, leading with ‘Is Trump a racist?’ Get the audience to first agree to something they’ve been programmed to believe, and then the rest will fall into place — sales 101.

  16. val majkus

    about Al Gore’s latest propaganda Dr Roy Spencer has produced a book in record time

    Al Gore has provided a target-rich environment of deceptions in his new movie.

    After viewing Gore’s most recent movie, An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power, and after reading the book version of the movie, I was more than a little astounded. The new movie and book are chock-full of bad science, bad policy, and factual errors.

    So, I was inspired to do something about it. I’d like to announce my new e-book, entitled An Inconvenient Deception: How Al Gore Distorts Climate Science and Energy Policy, now available on Amazon.com….

  17. Baldrick

    26th Battalion A.I.F

    Borella, Albert Chalmers (1881–1968)
    In the early months of 1918 the 26th Battalion held the line at Dernancourt, where Borella was mainly engaged in patrolling and raids. He fought at Morlancourt and Hamel and on 17 July, for ‘most conspicuous bravery in attack’ at Villers-Bretonneux, won the Victoria Cross. While leading his platoon in an assault on an enemy support-trench, he noticed a machine-gun firing through the Australian barrage; he ran out ahead of his men into the barrage, shot the gunners with his revolver and captured the gun. He then led a small party against the strongly held trench, bombed two dug-outs and took thirty prisoners. Only weeks after this incident he was invalided to Australia owing to wounds and illness.

  18. Dr Fred Lenin

    See the commisars at the socialite decromatik republic of Yarra city have now abolished all reference to Australia Day, this has one good side ,the council workers will not get the day off saving ratepayers money . This can be i]used constructively printing pro u.n. Commmunist globalist /crony capitalist/islamofascist propaganda leaflets . I have one message for the comrades “fix the bloody footpaths you useless maggots ” that’s what councils do ,bring in the administrators for all gangrene /union mafia dominated councils take the ratepayers money off them , let them use their own money , that would shut the bastards up for ever. You–

  19. stackja

    2GB Red China ban overseas purchases, wants more spending in Red China.

  20. cohenite

    Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun 21st August 2017

    What a surrender. Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young excuses the next jihadists to kill us, blaming the victims for not respecting a black sack that robs women of identity and power:

    As I said, the terrorists aren’t the godless cowards here:

    Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young has accused Pauline Hanson of “doing ISIS’s work” as she criticised the One Nation leader for wearing a burka in the federal parliament.

    Senator Hanson-Young told the One Nation leader the “next attack in Australia will be on your head” and that her actions had put the country at a heightened risk of a terror attack.

    “Acts and stunts like this only serve to incite more violence and hatred from extremists on both sides, and I think that is extremely dangerous and not fit for somebody who wants to sit in parliament,” Senator Hanson-Young told Senator Hanson on Sunrise this morning.

    “You really need to reflect on the fact that security experts, foreign policy experts, have said that what you did last week will now be used as the recent kind of fodder for promoting extremism.

    “You are doing ISIS’s work for them. It is extremely dangerous; you are putting the entire country at risk.”

    Why have we allowed into Australia people who are so dangerously volatile that they will kill people if some politicians mocks the few who want women dressed in sacks? If Muslims are this lethally sensitive we had a huge problem.

    Do Christians kill in outrage at the regular mockery of nuns at the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras?

    Can Hanson-Young list those other things we now may not say about Islam that may inspire Muslims to kill?

    Can she list all Islamic terrorist attacks where the victims have only themselves to blame?

    Incredible, the ABC manages to hold a “debate” where two non-Muslims manage actually to agree with each other than the burqa “empowers” women.

    Guess that’s why so many women in burqas run companies and stand for election.

    Fools.

    The easiest way to get rid of a problem is to say it’s not problem at all. It’s the Munich solution.

    It’s our fault.

  21. Rafe Champion

    Living the Green Dream in Germany.

    Village collapses (actually rises, its the houses that collapse) after drilling for geothermal and hitting groundwater….

  22. Senile Old Guy

    Malcolm Turnbull is being sent a warning to make drastic changes to the way he works.

    He can’t change. Turnbull is working the same way he has always worked; being left wing to his core.

    No conspiracy theory will explain these numbers away. This is all the government’s own work. Turnbull and his colleagues botched the politics of the citizenship row last week by claiming Labor “treachery” in New Zealand, writing a drama that played out as comedy instead.

    But it is not all Turnbull’s fault as the Liberal Party are now utterly clueless. Prime example: Brandis’ massive own goal in attacking Hanson’s burka stunt.

    The hard politics of the past week have taken their toll on the two leaders. Turnbull and Shorten share the same net satisfaction rating of minus 20 percentage points. Voters think they both stink.

    And they do. But Shorten, and the ALP, are doing politics very, very well. The Liberal Party are trying to outflank the ALP (and Greens) on the left and that is never going to work.

    Remember the “qualitative evidence” remark?

    Political analysts do not believe conservative voters will abandon the Liberals in sufficient numbers to hurt the Coalition’s re-election prospects or create a new force on the far right of Australian politics, but according to the soon-to-be-launched Australian Liberty ­Alliance and Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, the dumping of Tony Abbott and elevation of the more moderate Malcolm Turnbull as Prime Minister have produced a dramatic spike of interest in their own parties.

    Liberal Party strategist Mark Textor agrees. He says that, even if he is wrong, the loss of disgruntled conservatives will be outweighed by the appeal of a more moderate party to swinging voters. “The qualitative evidence is they don’t matter,’’ Mr Textor said. “The sum of a more centrist approach outweighs any alleged marginal loss of so-called base voters.’’

    Hahahaha!

    That strategy worked well, did it? “Even if he is wrong”! Well, he was very, very wrong and the “loss of so-called base voters” killed the LNP.

  23. Roger

    Well, he was very, very wrong and the “loss of so-called base voters” killed the LNP.

    Textor then went on to lead Theresa May’s UK election campaign to near defeat.

  24. C.L.

    See how the ABC responds to Andrew Bolt’s demolition of the lie about Christian worshippers being more likely to bash their wives …

    The verdict on domestic violence data and the Church: Believe the women.

    Watch this:

    The research doesn’t show that men who go to church more often are less likely to abuse their wives, write Naomi Priest and Nicholas Biddle.

    Similarly, research doesn’t show that men who are atheists are less likely to abuse their wives.

  25. C.L.

    Sarah Plankton-Hoover admits Muslims kill people when they’re angry:

    Greens blame Hanson for next terror attack.

    Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young has accused Pauline Hanson of “doing ISIS’s work” as she criticised the One Nation leader for wearing a burka in the federal parliament.

    Senator Hanson-Young told the One Nation leader the “next attack in Australia will be on your head” and that her actions had put the country at a heightened risk of a terror attack.

  26. Senile Old Guy

    Fears that so-called killer robots could be used by terrorist groups to kill people have prompted more than 100 tech leaders to call on the United Nations to ban them. They have signed an open letter to the UN, which will be released at the world’s biggest conference on artificial intelligence in Melbourne today.

    These people have to be about the most stupid “tech leaders” ever. Days after Muslim terrorists kill many people with cars, these morons are hyperventilating about “killer robots”. Islamic terrorists may well use “killer robots” but they certainly do not need to, as there are many “Muslim robots” ready to go on Jihad.

  27. Aussieute

    This guy makes absolute sense
    His opening statement and proposition … whack
    It’s never going to happen because the PC brigade couldn’t handle it
    http://bit.ly/2uX3pYV

  28. Rafe Champion

    Revealing poll in various Islamic and semi-Islamic states on the appropriate headgear for women.

  29. Old Ozzie, from the Old Fred:

    Propelled by an electrical current and traveling at speeds up to Mach 7.5, the US Navy’s Hyper Velocity Projectile can shoot out of a rail gun to destroy enemy ships, vehicles

    How’s it going to hit ships 20km away?

  30. OldOzzie

    Senile Old Guy

    But it is not all Turnbull’s fault as the Liberal Party are now utterly clueless. Prime example: Brandis’ massive own goal in attacking Hanson’s burka stunt.

    In The Australian Article – Same sex marriage: Tony Abbott won’t trick me, George Brandis says

    Brandis is being slaughtered in the comments – 1066 so far

    Attorney-General George Brandis says he will not be “tricked” by Tony Abbott into fighting the same-sex marriage plebiscite on wider issues such as religious freedom.

    Senator Brandis, a supporter of same-sex marriage, said this morning that the plebiscite had nothing to do with religious freedom and it was simply a question of whether people believed the Marriage Act should change.

    He said that any bill to legalise gay marriage would allow religious exemptions, noting the exact nature of the protections would be debated in parliament if the Yes vote won.

    Mr Abbott and Australian Christian Lobby managing director Lyle Shelton are among those who have linked the No case to a fight in protection of freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    “What I am not going to do is be tricked by Tony Abbott and others who are trying to trying to turn a debate about one issue, that is about whether same-sex couples should be able to marry, into a broader debate about religious freedom because that is not what this is about,” Senator Brandis told Sky News.

  31. thefrolickingmole

    Im sure its been mentioned, but what would the numbers been during the red terrors reign if dual citizens were excluded from the count?

    Gillard kept hold by one maggoty seat, I wonder if there was a government at all?

  32. John64

    Senator Hanson needs to reflect on the fact security experts think her actions will be used to promote extremism, she said.

    “You are doing ISIS’s work for them,” Senator Hanson-Young told the Seven Network on Monday.

    “You are putting the entire country at risk.”

    This steaming pile of manure coming from the lips of a Senator whose party supported policies that enabled 50,000 illegal immigrants to reach our shores in under 6 years.

  33. thefrolickingmole

    Attorney-General George Brandis says he will not be “tricked” by Tony Abbott into fighting the same-sex marriage plebiscite on wider issues such as religious freedom.

    Has he found a way to white-ant the no vote yet like he did with the other free speech change he nobbled?

    Brandis should be shoved every time he opens his mouth because he offends me, and thats the highest court in the land nowdays.

  34. Robber Baron

    Anthony
    #2475119, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:05 am
    Sack Turnbull today.

    Nothing will happen until the High court determines who is eligible to remain in parliament. Then it will be on!

  35. OldOzzie

    Winston Smith
    #2475131, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:18 am
    Old Ozzie, from the Old Fred:

    Propelled by an electrical current and traveling at speeds up to Mach 7.5, the US Navy’s Hyper Velocity Projectile can shoot out of a rail gun to destroy enemy ships, vehicles

    How’s it going to hit ships 20km away?

    Don’t know, but they are talking about

    Is the U.S. Navy Building the Ultimate ‘Big Gun’: A Rail Gun with a 100 Mile Range?

    Due to its ability to reach speeds of up to 5,600 miles per hour, the hypervelocity projectile is engineered as a kinetic energy warhead, meaning no explosives are necessary. The hyper velocity projectile can travel at speeds up to 2,000 meters per second, a speed which is about three times that of most existing weapons. The rate of fire is 10-rounds per minute, developers explained.

    A kinetic energy hypervelocity warhead also lowers the cost and the logistics burden of the weapon, they explained.

    Although it has the ability to intercept cruise missiles, the hypervelocity projectile can be stored in large numbers on ships. Unlike other larger missile systems designed for similar missions, the hypervelocity projectile costs only $25,000 per round.

    The railgun can draw its power from an onboard electrical system or large battery, Navy officials said. The system consists of five parts, including a launcher, energy storage system, a pulse-forming network, hypervelocity projectile and gun mount.

    While the weapon is currently configured to guide the projectile against fixed or static targets using GPS technology, it is possible that in the future the rail gun could be configured to destroy moving targets as well, Navy officials have explained over the years.

  36. Senile Old Guy

    See how the ABC responds to Andrew Bolt’s demolition of the lie about Christian worshippers being more likely to bash their wives …

    It is worth reading that article just to see how “academics” can prostitute the evidence.

    Next, a New Zealand study (Fergusson et al 1986) using data collected in the late 1970s, is the oldest of the five cited references. In this study, while reported prevalence of domestic violence over a six-year period initially appears lower among women with husbands attending church regularly, this is not statistically significant once factors such as socioeconomic status, husband’s age, length of marriage, wife’s education, are also taken into account.

    The adjustments here are not needed. Violence is lower with husbands attending church.

    The adjusted analysis does show women who attend church regularly report less domestic violence than women who attend less than once a month or never, though data about whether their husbands also attended church is not provided. Moreover, as the study authors state, this is not a representative population survey of domestic violence, it is a study of women from intact families with children, and as a result the study findings may be influenced by the sample selection.

    But the adjusted analysis still has women attending church with less violence and, though the article says they don’t know about the men, you can assume that the husbands of women who regularly attend church also attend church more often than those of women who do no.

    Again, even with this very old data in a different social climate, we find a lack of statistical evidence that men who attend church regularly perpetrate less domestic violence

    Let’s restate that. There is no evidence that men who attend church perpetrate more domestic violence. And that was the original claim.

    Yet again, the ABC assists liars.

  37. cohenite

    I know it’s already been looked at in the previous thread but its worth repeating: Malcolm Roberts shredding the little abc princess:

    https://www.facebook.com/malcolmrobertsonenation/videos/1159116617565550/?fref=gs&hc_location=group

  38. Beery;

    Such agreements are fundamentally unethical as they involve an involuntary third party.

    Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

    Well said, that man. Except, Beery, you’ve put your finger into the chasm that divides true Libertarians from the Leftist Libertarians who call themselves Libertarians because they don’t want to call themselves Marxists.
    Oh, and because Libertarian sounds much cooler than Marxist.
    Time to clean house, Beery, of the Leftist trash that have sneaked in the back door. Because if your movement doesn’t, the purged ones will be on your side of the chasm.

  39. Myrddin Seren

    From Ye Olde Thread:

    Snoopy

    A cynic could easily believe that this attack on churches is designed to blunt church objections to SSM.

    I think it is happening for a reason, but that individual reason is too narrow.

    nota

    The Irish legislation is horrendous but not surprising. I expect Catholic institutions now face property confiscation and gaol.

    That will certainly be the pivot used to justify the end game.

    My two cents worth

    All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

    Benito Mussolini

    I will go out on a limb and predict in due course the Cathallaxians will be invited to welcome the new Head of the Official Australian Catholic Church, Arch-High-Priestess Kristina Keneally – who will be appointed to the role after the nationalisation of the various non-state religious groups by the Minister for State Religion, Penny Wong.

    Anglillaxians can probably look forward to Father Rod Bower getting the same gig for their sub-department. And so on.

  40. John64

    Gillard kept hold by one maggoty seat, I wonder if there was a government at all?

    That maggoty seat occupied by a crook who defrauded his union of an amount well north of $1 million and lied to Parliament about it in one of the most shameful speeches ever delivered by an elected representative.

  41. Boambee John

    From the old thread

    never forget that muslims believe that any land ever held by muslims, no matter how briefly, or how long ago, remains forever muslim.

    Strangely, communists took the same position. Now what could these two groups have in common?

  42. stackja

    Rafe Champion
    #2475129, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:18 am
    Revealing poll in various Islamic and semi-Islamic states on the appropriate headgear for women.

    My late mum wore a hat, as did most women in 1940s.

  43. OldOzzie

    Thousands to get NBN refunds


    Thousands of subscribers to the National Broadband Network will be refunded after the nation’s biggest telco launched an investigation into overcharging.

    In May, Telstra announced it would refund almost 8000 customers after it emerged they were being charged for internet speeds that could never be obtained under the fibre-to-the-node delivery system that was implemented by the federal Coalition in 2013.

    Optus yesterday said it was now “undertaking a similar process” and would work to ascertain how many customers had been affected and to refund those who had been short-changed.

    “Optus is undertaking a similar process in respect of those customers where it has been confirmed that the underlying NBN service cannot deliver the speed they signed up for,” a spokesman said.

    When asked to provide numbers of those affected, Optus declined, saying its “specific customer numbers are confidential”.

    The issue of internet speeds under the NBN has become a hot topic after it has emerged many users will pay the same price for the same, or even slower, speeds.

    Questions have also been asked over how telcos deal with consumers seeking to verify their internet speeds.

    South Australian internet user Christopher Riddell has been monitoring his NBN speeds after he was signed up for Telstra’s peak speed package, which is ­advertised at delivering speeds at 100 megabits-per-second.

    In analysis reviewed by The Australian, Mr Riddell has tested his internet speed at peak times — usually after 5pm on weekdays — and found his 100Mbps drops to as low as 2Mbps.

    In order to make a return on the $49 billion NBN outlay, NBN Co, a wholesaler, is charging hefty “bandwidth” fees to telcos, who pass that charge on to end users.

    The NBN rollout has come under fire because many users have found their connections are as slow as, or slower, than the speeds they were experiencing under their existing ADSL connections.

    Optus last week publicly said the high cost of “bandwidth” was preventing it providing high-speed internet to some of its customers. Telstra, however, which controls more than 50 per cent of the NBN retail market, has claimed its customers always enjoy high speeds and it is buying enough bandwidth to fulfil consumer demand.

    This is despite The Australian highlighting scores of Telstra customers who are not achieving the NBN speeds they have paid for.

    When asked about Telstra’s claims to be consistently providing high NBN speeds, a spokesman said the company “certainly” stood by its statements claiming its customers were not being short-changed.

    “Telstra’s earnings are negatively impacted by the rollout of the NBN so, no, we do not accept that we somehow get an unfair advantage through the disconnection payments,” a spokesman said.

    “Our NBN offers are based on the full value we provide customers, including exclusive extras like Telstra TV and access to our Telstra Air Wi-Fi network along with the investment we make in our network to deliver customers a great experience.”

    Optus said its failure to inform customers their internet connections could not achieve high- speed connections — despite charging customers for the service — was being rectified.

  44. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I know it’s already been looked at in the previous thread but its worth repeating: Malcolm Roberts shredding the little abc princess:

    t is worth repeating, and it should be a guide for “conservative” politicians on how to deal with the “plastic princesses” of the ABC.

  45. Frolickingmole, there is no honest answer to your question.

    It seems pollies of all political persuasion have simply ignored the Constitution for decades. The AEC won’t gather up its skirts and check before accepting nominations. The High Court only takes action when asked. The Governor General sees the issue as not in his bailiwick. Labor refuses to be transparent. LNP only do something when challenged publicly.

    So no-one is responsible for finding out the truth. Meanwhile, we are being asked to trust them. Ha!

  46. stackja

    USS John McCain Collides with Merchant Tanker in the South China Sea, Search and Rescue Operations Underway
    By: Sam LaGrone

    A U.S. guided-missile destroyer has collided with a merchant tanker in the South China Sea near Singapore, according to a Sunday statement from U.S. 7th Fleet.

    USS John McCain (DDG-56) collided with the Liberian-flagged tanker Alnic MC around 5:24 a.m. on Monday local time.

    “Initial reports indicate John S. McCain sustained damage to her port side aft,” read the statement.
    “Search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities.”

    The collision of McCain follows the June 17, collision between destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and the merchant ship ACX Crystal. On Thursday 7th Fleet commander announced punishments for several crewmembers on duty when the early morning collision occurred.

    The following is the complete statement from 7th Fleet.

    SOUTH CHINA SEA – The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while underway east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore on Aug. 21.
    The collision was reported at 6:24 a.m. Japan Standard Time, while the ship was transiting to a routine port visit in Singapore.

    Initial reports indicate John S. McCain sustained damage to her port side aft.

    Search and rescue efforts are underway in coordination with local authorities.

  47. Fisky

    I’m a libertarian, but I must confess that I seem to disagree with all other libertarians.

    In any case, the answer is simple. Adam Smith banged on about voluntary contracts as being just and beneficial. The agreements you speak of are not simple trades between two parties for exchange of goods or services, but agreements between two parties to screw a third. There are laws against this, but they are insufficiently broad and require written proof. Such agreements are fundamentally unethical as they involve an involuntary third party.

    Do I have to do all the thinking around here?

    But Beer Whisperer, most “libertarians” are fine with collusion and believe it should be legal. The fact that it is collusion in the cause of Marxist social engineering makes them additionally excited.

  48. OldOzzie

    Tony Abbott hits back at George Brandis on same-sex marriage

    Tony Abbott has hit back at Attorney-General George Brandis and declared that legalising same-sex marriage would be a “big leap into the dark” that would have vast implications beyond letting gay couples get married.

    Mr Abbott continued to broaden his campaign against same-sex marriage this morning by declaring that people who “don’t like the direction our country is headed” should vote No in the postal plebiscite.

    Senator Brandis and Mr Abbott’s sister Christine Forster yesterday slammed the former prime minister for trying to engage the debate on broader issues such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion and the Safe Schools program.

    But Mr Abbott doubled down this morning and said a No vote would protect the Australian way of life.

    “The best way of standing up for traditional values, the best way of saying you don’t like the direction our country is headed in right now is to get that ballot paper out and vote no,” Mr Abbott told Sydney radio station 2GB.

    “There is a real issue here with the protection for religious freedom and freedom of speech if this thing goes through, we have seen in other countries where same-sex marriage has been legalised, like Britain and Canada, attacks on what is being taught in religious schools.

    “In Britain Catholic adoption agencies had to close down right around the country because they refused to toe the line on same-sex marriage.”

    Mr Abbott said that if marriage was degendered then it would be hard to prevent teachings of gender fluidity in schools.

    “If you degender marriage a whole lot of other things come in its wake,” he said.

    “How, for instance, can we legitimately say no to gender fluidity programs like so-called Safe Schools if we’ve degendered marriage.

    “So this isn’t just about marriage, sure marriage is the immediate focus, but there are lots and lots of implications here and we have got to think them through before we take this big leap into what I think is the dark.”

    Assistant Minister to the Prime Minister Angus Taylor said this morning that religious freedoms should be part of the same-sex marriage debate.

    “There is no doubt this has been a major issue in jurisdictions where same-sex marriage has been implemented,” Mr Taylor told Sky News.

    “It is one that needs to be part of this debate, there is no doubt in my mind about that and I am very confident it will be part of that debate.”

    Labor MP Andrew Leigh said religious exemptions on same-sex marriage should be constrained to limit discrimination of gay people.

    Mr Leigh said that religious exemptions were important but they should be managed carefully as discrimination was “inherently ugly”.

    He said it would be helpful if there was a proposed model that could be voted on in the plebiscite but rejected claims the debate was broader than changing the Marriage Act.

    “Religious freedoms are important, and certainly religious organisations can do things that secular organisations can’t, if you are a secular organisation and you told a woman she wouldn’t be promoted simply because of her gender you would be in breach of the law, but certain religious organisations are able to do that in certain circumstances,” Mr Leigh said.

    “But we have to constrain these very carefully because discrimination is inherently ugly and we all want to minimise it.”

    Mr Leigh backed the argument of Senator Brandis who said yesterday the debate was olely about changing the Marriage Act and not about broader issues such as religious freedoms.

    “I think it would be useful to have a model that we are working towards but I think George Brandis’ point about distraction is also important,” Mr Leigh said.

    “One of the things you have seen in other countries is the attempts by opponents of marriage equality to say that we are talking about transgender bathrooms, or Safe Schools or some other issue.

    “It is a very simple question: should two people who love one another be allowed to get married?”

  49. Fisky

    Well said, that man. Except, Beery, you’ve put your finger into the chasm that divides true Libertarians from the Leftist Libertarians who call themselves Libertarians because they don’t want to call themselves Marxists.
    Oh, and because Libertarian sounds much cooler than Marxist.
    Time to clean house, Beery, of the Leftist trash that have sneaked in the back door. Because if your movement doesn’t, the purged ones will be on your side of the chasm.

    Indeed Winston. The modern “libertarian” movement is really just a Marxist auxiliary force, sent out to disrupt the Right.

  50. stackja

    Old School Conservative
    #2475150, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:34 am
    Frolickingmole, there is no honest answer to your question.

    It seems pollies of all political persuasion have simply ignored the Constitution for decades. The AEC won’t gather up its skirts and check before accepting nominations. The High Court only takes action when asked. The Governor General sees the issue as not in his bailiwick. Labor refuses to be transparent. LNP only do something when challenged publicly.

    So no-one is responsible for finding out the truth. Meanwhile, we are being asked to trust them. Ha!

    Cosgrove wary of using reserve powers. AEC checking how many countries?

  51. lotocoti

    How’s it going to hit ships 20km away?

    Staying just beyond Line of Sight and lobbing big bricks is going to be a pretty safe tactic.
    That’ll please some old school QMGs.

  52. val majkus

    I know it’s already been looked at in the previous thread but its worth repeating: Malcolm Roberts shredding the little abc princess:

    Thanks cohenite, did watch it this time – yes, Roberts was good and stuck to his points rather than being sucked into points the interviewer was trying to make

  53. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2475156, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:40 am

    “It is a very simple question: should two people who love one another be allowed to get married?”

    Change the world in the name of romance?

  54. lotocoti

    Acts and stunts like this only serve to incite more violence and hatred from extremists on both sides

    Both sides?
    The hijab tuggers will have to lift their game.

  55. stackja

    USNI News‏ @USNINews 4 minutes ago
    UPDATE: USS John McCain is underway on its own power headed to port after collision.

  56. Senile Old Guy

    Labor MP Andrew Leigh said religious exemptions on same-sex marriage should be constrained to limit discrimination of gay people. Mr Leigh said that religious exemptions were important but they should be managed carefully as discrimination was “inherently ugly”.

    The ALP will get rid of religious exemptions; depend on it. Abbott is right. Vote “NO”.

  57. Myrddin Seren

    Fears that so-called killer robots could be used by terrorist groups to kill people have prompted more than 100 tech leaders to call on the United Nations to ban them.

    Demographic decline and a baby bust will force any industrialised nation with the technical capabilities and a serious intent to defend its interests to deploy combat robots to beef up its fighting capability.

    Russia the the best example of an early adopter. Huge borders, security interests in all directions and a baby bust which is depleting the availability of human conscripts and recruits. Plus there is far less political blow back if a robot comes back in a scrap metal container, as opposed to someone’s son or daughter in a body bag.

    Here is an example of where it is going:

    Russia to start promoting Uran-9 combat robotic system

    Vlad Putin knows what needs to be done to deal with terrorists and if anyone thinks he gives a flying f**k what bourgeoise ‘tech leaders’ wring their hands about, they need their heads read.

    Australia of course knows that real strength lies in diversity.

  58. Michel Lasouris

    The other day, having nothing more productive to do, I idly switched on the wireless and happened upon what passes for adult conversation ( Debate it is NOT) from The Senate. …..and heard Sen. Hanson Young refer to Sen. Hanson as “Senator Hanson Young” Yes, you read that correctly; SHY doesn’t even realise that there is another Senator with a similar name! There was considerable amusement within the Chamber, however SHY was not the least fazed, and ploughed on regardless. And to think this moron actually influences our lives. Doh!

  59. OldOzzie

    Future Methods for fighting Wars – Video Emerges Showing Clashes Between Indian, Chinese Soldiers

    Indian soldiers “foiled a bid by a group of Chinese troops to enter Indian territory in Ladakh, near the Pangong lake.” He added that some of the Chinese soldiers carried iron rods and stones, and in the melee there were minor injuries on both sides.

  60. stackja

    Tony Abbott talks to Ray about cashless welfare cards, Newspoll and the same-sex marriage postal survey
    Download this podcast here

  61. Rossini

    Aussieute
    #2475128, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:17 am
    Thanks for that ……….We (Australia) should do it !!!!

  62. John

    I note a few posters are advocating Turnbull be rolled. This cant seriously be done before the High Court adjudicates on the many foreigners we have voted for in the past. It also doesnt get past the fact that the Coalition has a wafer thin majority. Lord Ha Ha may decide to quit if he is rolled creating a problem. No lets face it we are going to get creamed. And he knows it.

    If you thought things were vile before, then wait for the antics of a Shorten Government. Taxing and pillaging and redistributing will reach new heights.

  63. OldOzzie

    Time to talk about the burka

    Somali-born intellectual Ayaan Hirsi Ali showed the courage many Western feminists lack when she wrote on Saturday that “expecting half of humanity to go around covered in black sacks is just evil sexism’’. Imagine the outrage if a Christian church made such a demand. Perhaps abhorrence of Christianity, on which the green-left and rabid Islam agree, explains their curious rapprochement on this and other issues such as open borders. After Pauline Hanson’s stunt on Thursday, which should never have gotten beyond door of the Senate, the ABC even buried its own good scoop when Muslim author Haset Sali supported Senator Hanson’s push to ban the burka. The Koran, he said, did not require women to cover their faces. Those doing so could be a security risk and “the sooner Muslim women get rid of this hideous garb the better”.

    Unlike France, Switzerland and other nations that have banned burkas or imposed partial bans, Australia has a libertarian policy. Attorney-General George Brandis, who won a standing ovation from Labor and the Greens, but not his own side, for his overreaction to Senator Hanson’s caper, has cited witnesses giving evidence in court as an instance where face covering was inappropriate. He is right, but should go further. As Paul Kelly wrote on Saturday, the burka should not be worn by those delivering public services, such as teachers or health or transport workers. The issue should be addressed before dilemmas arise.

    From the comments

    Well done Pauline for expressing the view that a Burqa has no place in Australian society now or in the future. This may have been a stunt but how else to bring this to attention in such a spectacular manner. Pauline used her parliamentary privilege and the visual impact of the sight of her being fully covered brings home what our country could end up looking like for women.

    As a woman I am appalled that any woman has to ever wear such a garb in Australia regardless of race or religion or background culture. It is demeaning and oppressive and ranks in the despicable belittling of women alongside female genital mutilation ( which of course is a criminal act in this country).

    I am Australian but do not seek to comment on the use of the Burqa in other countries but can appreciate the cultural differences of others. That does not mean we ever have to accept any cultural import regardless as seems to be the case with ‘globalisation’.

    Personally, I congratulate you Pauline, and give you thanks for defending the right to always be able show the female face and form.

    The Burqa, along with facial veiling, has no absolutely no place in Australian public life.

    People, within reason, can do what they like in private.

    I, for one, do not wish to gaze upon shrouded creatures in Australia.

    Brandis’ rant at Pauline Hanson was appalling. The only positive was that other Coalition Senators treated it appropriately and didn’t leap to their feet like the Greens. He is such a pompous, self righteous windbag. A bag over the head is a bag over the head no matter what it is called and we live in a Society where facial recognition and interrogation is fundamental to our social interactions. No amount of mumbo jumbo from any so called religion can change the fact of what it is.

    It’s a pity that Hanson isn’t more articulate in making her point but good on her for her efforts, and shame on Brandis. I would like to see a poll of Coalition voters to see what percentage would like to see bags on the head banned.

  64. Myrddin Seren

    More security kabuki from the Turnbull United Party

    Security overhaul extends checks to anyone at a major domestic airport

    THE biggest overhaul to airline security in decades will give police powers to demand identification from anyone at a major domestic airport, even those not boarding a plane.

    Law enforcement agencies are actively working on the plan which could prevent suspect passengers from flying and see members of the public ordered to leave.

    A massive advertising campaign, including airlines sending information to passengers, is being considered, with the new measures mooted to be rolled out before Christmas.

    ( ie Taxpayer funded promos for the caring Waffleworthian regime )

    Anyone who attracts the interest of law enforcement officials, will be questioned by police about their purpose for being at the airport, where they are travelling and, possibly, to show their ID.

    Those who cannot show ID, have no reason for being at the airport, or who are acting suspiciously, face being detained or ejected, whether or not they are travelling.

    Fears were heightened when alleged NSW bomb makers Khaled Khayat and Mahmoud Khayat, were accused of trying to check-in an improvised explosive device on a long-haul flight at Sydney Airport.

    I am pretty sure these guys had a ticket booked and probably ID. If they are on a suicide mission like the terrorists at Brussels airport, I would bet they don’t care if they get asked for ID or not.

    A spokesperson for the Justice Minister:

    “Our law enforcement and security agencies are the finest in the world and the safety of Australians will remain the Government’s No. 1 priority,” she said.

    If Waffleworth said this once, he said it 20 times at the presser about the meat grinder bombers.

    One can only assume this is another Crosby-Textor plan to salvage the Turnbull United Party by remaking them in to the national security blanket – sleep safe at night Australia, Malcolm is ever vigilant and spends all day, every day thinking about your safety.

  65. pete m

    Mr Leigh said that religious exemptions were important but they should be managed carefully as discrimination was “inherently ugly”.

    lol at “managing exemptions”.

    Parliament is saying WE WILL decide what religion you can follow and the means of doing so.

    eg attack on sanctity of confessional.

    Libertarians should be up in arms at how SSM is being used to wedge and destroy liberty.

    Dot / Sinc – where are you on this?

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore you will allow SSM in your church or be jailed. This will happen.

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore you will not hear confession unless you dob in a crim.

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore your 5 year old will be taught how joyful anal sex is.

    It will never end.

  66. stackja

    John
    #2475173, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:14 am
    I note a few posters are advocating Turnbull be rolled. This cant seriously be done before the High Court adjudicates on the many foreigners we have voted for in the past. It also doesnt get past the fact that the Coalition has a wafer thin majority. Lord Ha Ha may decide to quit if he is rolled creating a problem. No lets face it we are going to get creamed. And he knows it.

    If you thought things were vile before, then wait for the antics of a Shorten Government. Taxing and pillaging and redistributing will reach new heights.

    Maybe Australia needs shock treatment. Shorten will be shocking.

  67. Arky

    “It is a very simple question: should two people who love one another be allowed to get married?”

    Define “people”. Oh wait.
    That is what the whole debate is about you moron.

  68. Fisky;

    Indeed Winston. The modern “libertarian” movement is really just a Marxist auxiliary force, sent out to disrupt the Right.

    Damn.
    And here’s me thinking I was the only one on the ramparts dodging arrows of denial from all and sundry when I said the Libertarian movement had been white anted by the Marxists.
    Double Damn.

  69. OldOzzie

    Sharp Racial Divide Over Robert E. Lee Statue

    News headlines in the United States have been dominated by the fallout from the Charlottesville protests throughout the week. YouGov have polled Americans to gauge their thoughts on a whole range of issues surrounding the violence. Notably, respondents were asked about the decision that led to the protests in the first place – the decision to remove the statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. The research uncovered sharp racial and partisan divides over the decision. As can be seen from the following infographic, only 4 percent of blacks strongly disapprove of the decision to remove the statue compared to 40 percent of whites.

  70. Arky

    If it is proven that for much of the last three parliaments there was no legitimate majority, does that make the legislation these frauds brought in void?

  71. Cannibal

    Russia to start promoting Uran-9 combat robotic system

    Excellent
    I’ll take six please.

  72. The Countess

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore you will allow SSM in your church or be jailed. This will happen.

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore you will not hear confession unless you dob in a crim.

    Discrimination is ugly – therefore your 5 year old will be taught how joyful anal sex is.

    Exactly. We’ll be back to first century house churches before the middle of this century.
    Or in prison.

  73. notafan

    I am pretty sure these guys had a ticket booked and probably ID. If they are on a suicide mission like the terrorists at Brussels airport, I would bet they don’t care if they get asked for ID or not.

    I think the story is that a ‘sacrificial lamb’ ie another brother was being checked in, the bag was overweight to they left with the bag and brotherlyloved travelled sans luggage, not the slightest bit suspicious.

    I have vague recollection of a baggage thief being collared by police in Sydney when I was there once, no no-one there without good reason generally makes good sense.

    Still and all it is just another way the muslim presence means never-ending new restrictions of the freedoms of the rest of us… and more surveillance… and more taxes.


    Accused Sydney terrorist tried to send brother to his death with bomb on plane: police

  74. notafan

    “It is a very simple question: should two people who love one another be allowed to get married?”

    Close family members?

  75. OldOzzie

    UPDATE: Multiple Sailors MISSING and INJURED After USS McCain Collides With Massive Tanker

    A US Navy guided-missile destroyer collided with a merchant ship east of Singapore early Monday, the Navy’s 7th Fleet said in a statement.

    The USS John S. McCain collided with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while the destroyer was making its way to a port visit in Singapore, the Navy said.

    Search and rescue efforts are under way, the statement said.

    So far, there are currently 10 sailors missing and five are injured, according to the Navy.

    The ship is reportedly sailing under its own power and headed to port.

    Initial reports indicate the US ship sustained damage to its aft port side, the Navy said, but it did not give information on the status of the merchant vessel.
    h

  76. srr

    psst … 😉 …. remember when I said I was bored with Australian politics while they were all just treading water … you know, pretending to be a government … waiting …. while the real movers and shakers got on with doing what needs doing … 😉 ……. 😆

  77. OldOzzie

    Arky
    #2475182, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:22 am
    If it is proven that for much of the last three parliaments there was no legitimate majority, does that make the legislation these frauds brought in void?

    Interesting Point – any constitutional legal eagles out there care to comment?

  78. notafan

    Dan Andrews also wanted to stop Christian schools from refusing to employ people in de facto relationships or living as open homosexuals.

    I assume that they will also seek to force Catholics to ordain open homosexuals, male and female and perform same sex marriages and teach their children the gay is good curriculum.

    because hurty feelings need a lot of assuaging

  79. pete m

    weird school threat on gold coast – bomb and hostages

    awful for primary school age children to be exposed to such vileness

    unsure if terror related tor a local malcontent.

  80. jupes

    Law enforcement agencies are actively working on the plan which could prevent suspect passengers from flying and see members of the public ordered to leave.

    A “suspect passenger” is a Muslim passenger.

    Does anyone trust the police to profile Muslims or will we all be ordered to show our ID?

    “Our law enforcement and security agencies are the finest in the world and the safety of Australians will remain the Government’s No. 1 priority,” she said.

    Absolute bollocks. Not offending Muslims takes precedence over the safety of Australians. Otherwise they would ban Muslim immigration.

  81. Sarah Plankton-Hoover admits Muslims kill people when they’re angry

    Snookered.

  82. OldOzzie

    It’s Now Official – No President in US History has Cut More from the US Federal Debt for a Longer Period of Time than President Donald J. Trump.

    President Trump now can claim the longest and largest decrease of US Federal Debt in US history.

    When President Trump was inaugurated on January 20, 2017 the amount of US Federal Debt owed both externally and internally was over $19 Trillion at $19,947,304,555,212. As of August 17th the amount of US Debt had decreased by more than $100 Billion to $19,845,188,460,167.

    No President in US history has ever cut the amount of US Debt by this amount and no President has resided over a debt cut like this ever.

    Branco sums it up

  83. JC

    Like WTF? Isn’t this about the fourth vessel now?

    7th Fleet‏Verified account @US7thFleet

    #USSJohnSMcCain involved in collision with a merchant vessel while east of the Strait of Malacca. Updates to follow. http://ow.ly/ZmEf30exZfL

  84. notafan

    PM speaks

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/08/you-want-marriage-equality-heres-the-starting-point/
    You want marriage equality? Here’s the starting point
    Philippa Martyr Spectator Australia 21 August 2017
    I have a niece who is an out and proud lesbian, and I love her dearly, and I also love reading her Facebook feed. So I read the occasional pro-gay marriage post, and I usually read the comments as well. These are often heartbreaking and very personal stories of people in gay relationships who have struggled to provide proof of their legal standing with their partner in crisis situations. This, we are told, is why gay people need to be able to get married.
    But when you dig a little deeper, most of these stories don’t seem to add up. They seem to be cases where couples were not in a recognised (or recognisable) de facto relationship – they may have been involved with each other for years, but they didn’t live together, or share any assets or children. Sometimes these situations were complicated by the involvement of adult children of one partner who didn’t accept the relationship, and who had a greater legal claim to, say, a deceased estate than a long-time boyfriend or girlfriend who is not even in a de facto relationship.
    If I am wrong, and gay people in recognised de facto relationships are struggling with obtaining their legal rights when the chips are down, then the law is being flouted very openly, in a highly discriminatory way, and this probably needs a lot of investigation.
    But if I am not wrong, then it’s time to remind people that whether you are gay or straight, just ‘going out’ with someone – even for decades – doesn’t give you any real legal standing. Not without a fight, anyway. This isn’t homophobia; it’s the law in Australia, and it applies equally to gay and straight people.
    However, I suspect I am not wrong. If you are cohabiting and can prove it (and it’s not hard to do this), most Australian States will recognise your relationship, straight or gay, as legally binding. A civil partnership registration scheme at State level makes it very easy for straight and gay de facto couples to have their partnership legally recognised at any time, particularly in crisis situations when difficult decisions have to be made.
    Such a scheme also allows people with looser domestic arrangements to continue as they are. Spectator columnist Neil Brown has already acknowledged that there are gay people who don’t want to combine their finances with a new partner, because they anticipate that the relationship won’t have legs, and they don’t want to lose the assets accumulated over a lifetime to a short-term relationship. Straight people also sometimes make the same choice.
    Most Australian States recognise de facto or registered domestic partnerships between gay couples which give them the same legal protections as marriage, including access to superannuation and pensions and Family Court services. The legal differences between marriage and registered de facto partnerships in Australia are tiny, but can become significant when there’s a divorce, like the consideration of ‘credit’ for non-financial contributions to a partnership over time.
    If you really want ‘marriage equality’, then it would make more sense to seek to amend the Marriage Act to make registered de facto partnerships and marriage equal. Gay couples would get the legal protections and recognition they are apparently seeking. No one’s freedom of speech need suffer. No one’s right to buy or sell a wedding cake would be affected in any way. No church or religious group providing wedding services would have to fear prosecution for discrimination. You probably wouldn’t need a plebiscite, as this could be done through parliament. Everyone would be happy. Right?
    Wrong. And this is where it gets emotive and messy. Gay people, we are told, have the right to be married. As far as I can tell, the essence of this argument is that marriage is a human right, and it’s a human right because marriage makes you happy – and only marriage can make you really happy. It’s the only way in which love can be really expressed in a meaningful and stable way.
    Being unmarried myself, I can’t speak from experience, but I am assuming that’s why no one ever gets divorced in Australia, there’s no spousal abuse, and no one ever has an affair. Marriage must indeed be a little slice of heaven on earth, ‘that dweam wivin a dweam’, as The Princess Bride puts it.
    What makes marriage so attractive to some – not all – gay couples? Is it the church wedding? Gay couples can already hire a church building with a civil celebrant or an open-minded vicar, with all the trimmings. Is it children? Again, already possible, and legally recognised. Is it growing old together? You can do that in any way, shape or form you want, with or without marriage. You can exchange rings with all the ceremony you want, any time, any place. And I simply don’t know that many traditionally-minded practising Christian gay couples who are yearning for their stuffy old-fashioned church’s blessing on their union.
    So what’s the big attraction? If it’s legal safety equal to marriage, that can be achieved by amending the Marriage Act to give full marital-status recognition to de facto relationships. Unless this marriage equality campaign is perhaps about something else?

  85. notafan

    Spectator columnist Neil Brown has already acknowledged that there are gay people who don’t want to combine their finances with a new partner, because they anticipate that the relationship won’t have legs, and they don’t want to lose the assets accumulated over a lifetime to a short-term relationship.

    Ask any young gay man with assets about the six months rule

  86. Nick

    Pauline reads the Cat:

    Senator Hanson said nonetheless the issue needed to be discussed.

    “People are out on the streets. It’s OK for us. We’re secure in the Parliament, we’ve got security guards, we’ve got federal police with guns. What about the people out there?

    “If I’ve got to drive it to wake these people up, these politicians, to get you know, heads out of the bloody sand and see what’s going on …”

  87. OldOzzie

    Would it be great if The Turdbull Coalition did this to Australian Qango’s

    President Trump’s Entire Arts and Humanities Council Just Quit

    Another presidential advisory committee is breaking up.

    Actor Kal Penn, artist Chuck Close and the entire membership of the President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities have announced their resignation. A letter dated Friday, and signed by 16 of 17 committee members, cited the “false equivalence” of President Donald Trump’s comments about last weekend’s “Unite the Right” gathering in Charlottesville, Virginia. Trump has blamed “many sides” for the demonstrations that left an anti-racism activist dead.

    The White House said Trump had already decided against renewing the advisory committee for budgetary reasons.

    “Earlier this month it was decided that President Trump will not renew the executive order for the President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities (PCAH), which expires later this year,” the White House said in a statement attributed to an unnamed spokesperson. “While the committee has done good work in the past, in its current form it simply is not a responsible way to spend American tax dollars.”

    The statement said the committee “merely redirects funding” from federal cultural agencies that report directly to the president, Congress and taxpayers.

  88. JC

    Spectator columnist Neil Brown has already acknowledged that there are gay people who don’t want to combine their finances with a new partner, because they anticipate that the relationship won’t have legs, and they don’t want to lose the assets accumulated over a lifetime to a short-term relationship.

    Hahahahahahahhahaha Welcome to “marriage equality” fellas and what it means to assets.

  89. Haidee

    What’s the big attraction, asks Philippa Martyr.
    Maybe it’s about pride; a lot of VIP homosexuals don’t want to feel second-class.
    GayPride didn’t work. Being entirely-married might do it.

    Vote NO

  90. Bill Thompson

    Sara James is NBC America’s occasional Australian resident reporter, who also regularly appears on ABC’s News Brekkie. For the last 6 months she’s been banging on about how dreadful Trump is & today was no exception. After her gig, she was about to walk out the front door when I think she spotted me outside & promptly did a u-turn & waited inside for a minute. I had hoped to chat with her about recent ratings successes for MSNBC but she’s apparently very picky about who she deigns to associate with, so I had to talk to myself, instead…

    https://youtu.be/Pfmiu_wtK9Y

  91. Rafe Champion

    What is happening to the US navy? these vessels should have every navigation and detection device known to man.

  92. Senile Old Guy

    PM:

    Unless this marriage equality campaign is perhaps about something else?

    Everybody who is paying attention knows it is about “something else”. And Abbott is in the media explaining this, and doing so well, I think.

    People, vote “NO”.

  93. JC

    Of course, the number of sexual partners doesn’t necessarily offer a direct correlation the six months rule, but there would add some color on the impact it could have.

    Promiscuity

    28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: “Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308.” (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers: “The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309.” (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
    Modal range for homosexual sex partners 101-500: “In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that “the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500.” In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., “A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men,” Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354.” (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)
    1978 study, 78% of gay men ad more than 100 partners, 28% more than 1000: “A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984.” (catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html)
    There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexual fidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexual males in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity. (Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, “Extramarital Sex,” 170. This is extracted from http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02)

  94. Lotocoti:

    Staying just beyond Line of Sight and lobbing big bricks is going to be a pretty safe tactic.

    Something leaving its launcher at Mach 7.5 is going to have a pretty damn flat trajectory to hit something over the horizon. Any seeker pack and maneuvering package is going to need to withstand several hundred gravities acceleration over the five meters or so as it is boosted along the rail, never mind the electromagnetic forces on any electronics.
    Like yourself, I think dropping speed and increasing mass so one can pull ballistics into the equation is a workaround, but from the energies involved, my baseline figure* is a projectile of 100 – 200 tonnes launched at Mach 2. The vessel would go backwards from the recoil!
    * Like most of Winstons figures and calculations, these are plucked from his arse.

  95. Roger

    What is happening to the US navy? these vessels should have every navigation and detection device known to man.

    Yes, but were the captains men or women? 😉

    [Runs away as fast as he can.]

  96. notafan

    PM makes a good point, genuine gay defacto relationships are already covered by the law, I do recall a supreme court battle by two Gay A listers a few years back


    Much better than this

  97. srr

    This is a very good episode, and should be shared with every rebellious idiot you know, young and old –

    This Week in Stupid (20/08/2017)
    Sargon of Akkad
    Aug 20, 2017
    Antifa are a domestic terror organisation. Please sign this petition to get the US government to classify them as such: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/peti

  98. Zyconoclast

    “It is a very simple question: should two people who love one another be allowed to get married?”

    Close family members?

    Love is love

  99. srr

    Roger
    #2475209, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:52 am
    What is happening to the US navy? these vessels should have every navigation and detection device known to man.

    Yes, but were the captains men or women? 😉

    [Runs away as fast as he can.]

    … and how many of the crew transitioning transitioned in flux again …

    Sadly it will take a little while for Trump’s, No Trannies in the Armed Forces, rule, to finish flushing all the queen white ants within, out.

  100. Senile Old Guy

    “In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that “the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500.”

    For those not up with statistical terminology, “modal” means “most common”.

  101. johanna

    OldOzzie
    #2475189, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:31 am

    Arky
    #2475182, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:22 am
    If it is proven that for much of the last three parliaments there was no legitimate majority, does that make the legislation these frauds brought in void?

    Interesting Point – any constitutional legal eagles out there care to comment?

    My understanding is that once laws are made, proclaimed etc there is no unscrambling the egg, unless an individual law (or part of a law) is found to be unconstitutional by the High Court.

    There is no mechanism for obliterating laws en masse.

  102. Snoopy

    Like WTF? Isn’t this about the fourth vessel now?

    Wow! Driving a desk at the Pentagon doesn’t adequately prepare for command of a warship? What next?

  103. thefrolickingmole

    83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308.”

    The only rational response to that is…

  104. Johanna:

    There is no mechanism for obliterating laws en masse.

    Howsabout the Laws of Thermodynamics?
    Like if you heat Canberra to 100,000 degrees C, the laws change into a plasma?

  105. Snoopy

    The Fuck-up Fairy is the patron saint of the ALP. It beggars belief that not one ALP MP has breached the Constitution’s citizenship provisions.

  106. OldOzzie

    Newspoll: Leaders stink but an ALP landslide looms

    Comment on above article

    The only way Turnbull can hope to win an election is to:

    Walk away from the Paris scam.

    Commit to No RETs and no carbon tax by any other name.

    Stop all power subsidies , to all forms of energy and open the power industry to all comers.

    Stop the Green warfare on farmers and industry.

    Cut the red and green tape strangling our mines and our industries

    Commit to immediate construction of coal fired power stations.

    Commit to an Australian nucllear industry. We’ll need it soon.

    Shine the spotlight on Getup, green lawfare, union tax evasion and union exemptions from prosecution from criminal activities.

    Tax the unions.

    Get out the RC on union corruption and have some very public trials

    Buy US nuclear subs off the shelf, not the untried, neutered dog made by the French.

    Abolish the HRC, the AAT the RSRT and the rest of the unelected ALP appointed quangos.

    Cut the billions wasted on local government by small businesses on compliances and permits.

    Defund and sell off the ABC.

    Abolish 50 government agencies, commissions and Departments, especially those with “fair”, ” Green” , “renewable” or “sustainable” in the title.

    Reduce income tax to 15% across the board, or remove it entirely.

    Put GST to 15-20% with NO compensation except old age pensioners.

    Institute a state funded pension from retirement age.

    Give all seniors a seniors concession card for transport and medical.

    Kick the Marxist homosexual and lesbian activists out of our schools.

    Pay teachers on performance.

    Repeal laws and funding empowering UN directives over Australian laws.

    Restrict and reduce refugee intakes to only those who are being persecuted and are compatible with our culture.

    Restore superannuation to where it was, cut welfare and drop the bank tax.

    Anyone who’s seen the stopmalcolmturnbull website knows that’s not going to happen.

  107. Senile Old Guy

    The Spectator:

    For the record, I, like Marcus, fully support same-sex marriage. However, I know [enough] about the ‘no’ camp to realise their argument is (aside from a few noisy swamp-dwelling extremists in Facebook comment sections) fairly basic. Those voting ‘no’ are perfectly happy for LGBT couples to have, by law, the same privileges and protections as heterosexuals. It is not about a denial of rights.

    Instead, traditionalists believe the word “marriage” should be reserved for a male-female pairing, for the simple fact this institution has been, for thousands of years, across every culture and religion, a union between a man and a woman for the procreation of children. That’s it. No hatred, no homophobia; it’s simply about the word. Such an argument can be easily debated in the public sphere in a civil, diplomatic manner. It is not a campaign of bigotry. This is a battle that can be fought, and won, by same-sex marriage advocates, through the reasonable exchange of ideas. Not emotional blackmail and thuggery.

    But you won’t ever hear the traditionalist argument outlined objectively in the public sphere. All that can be heard, as Caroline Marcus so rightfully pointed out, is the hysterical rhetoric of people who are so terrified of losing they will do anything to not only silence the opposing side but eradicate it completely. The extremists in the same-sex marriage campaign actively attempt to intimidate those on the fence into voting yes, and in the case of the ‘no’ camp, to shut the hell up. And being forced to shut the hell up is not something the general populace takes kindly to.

    I, for one, hope the “yes” people continue what they are doing because the abuse will make people vote “no”.

    People, vote “NO”.

  108. Robert Mc

    Sara James …

    I had hoped to chat with her about recent ratings successes for MSNBC but she’s apparently very picky about who she deigns to associate with, so I had to talk to myself, instead…

    Such a shame. She did look quite fetching in her University of Virginia sweatshirt this morning.

  109. stackja

    Rafe Champion
    #2475205, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:47 am
    What is happening to the US navy? these vessels should have every navigation and detection device known to man.

    USA Defense has been corrupted by leftists.

  110. Tom

    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers

    Holy shit!

    I’m sorry, pouves. That is mental illness.

  111. Atoms for Peace

    What happens to second hand burquas? Is there such a thing, as I can’t recall seeing the new Spring collection of same.

  112. stackja

    USNI News‏ @USNINews 34 minutes ago
    Ten sailors missing, five injured after USS John McCain collides with tanker near Singapore.

  113. Geriatric Mayfly

    The normally pallid, racist moon is poised to blacken up. If only for a few fleeting minutes, this cultural appropriation will not go down lightly. Heaven forfend that the Man in the Moon touch up dem lips, for his moment on stage.

  114. lotocoti

    What is happening to the US navy? these vessels should have every navigation and detection device known to man.

    In those halcyon days of my yoot, the pass mark for your bi-annual Rules of the Road exam was 100%.
    Otherwise say goodbye to standing OOW.
    Perhaps the USN has a different standard.

  115. stackja

    Tom
    #2475225, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:09 pm
    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers

    Holy shit!

    I’m sorry, pouves. That is mental illness.

    And we know what happens healthwise.

  116. A Lurker

    What happens to second hand burquas?

    Perhaps they double up as death shrouds when the little lady karks it?

  117. srr

    Bill Mitchell‏Verified account @mitchellvii 2h2 hours ago

    Democrats are now publicly stating that #Antifa violence is justified!!!
    Folks, you are witnessing a political Party’s descent into madness.

  118. OldOzzie

    Unhappy with where the country is headed? Then vote no, says Tony Abbott

    Tony Abbott has broadened his attack against same-sex marriage, claiming it was indicative of the where the country was headed at the moment.

    Mr Abbott, who has taken a lead role in the ‘no’ campaign, appealed to those just generally unhappy at the moment.

    “The best way for standing up for traditional values, (if you), don’t like the direction our country is headed in right now, is to get that ballot paper out and vote no.”

    As he did so, he and other conservatives disputed a claim by Attorney-General George Brandis that same-sex marriage, if legalised, would not impinge on religious freedom.

    “There is a real issue here with the protection of religious freedom and freedom of speech if this thing goes through,” he told radio 2GB.

    Mr Abbott contended that in other countries where same-sex marriage was legalised, there were inadequate protections for such institutions as Catholic adoption agencies and schools regarding how they operate and teach.

    “If you degender marriage, a whole lot of other things come in its wake,” he said.

    “This isn’t just about marriage…there are lots and lots of implications here and we have got to think them through before we take this big leap into the dark.”

    On Sunday, Senator Brandis singled out such claims by Mr Abbott and others as scare tactics without foundation.

    He said he would not be “tricked” by Mr Abbott into fighting same-sex marriage on wider issues.

    “What I am not going to do is be tricked by Tony Abbott and others who are trying to trying to turn a debate about one issue, that is about whether same-sex couples should be able to marry, into a broader debate about religious freedom because that is not what this is about,” he said.

    Mr Abbott was backed on Monday by fellow conservatives Angus Taylor and Zed Seselja who insisted religious freedom should be part of the debate.

    Opposition leader Bill Shorten hit back.

    “I’m always up for having discussions about religious freedom in this country. I respect faith. What I won’t do is say that somehow by voting yes in a statistical survey to marriage equality that somehow this is a great assault on the religions in Australia,” he said.

    “What I will not do is confuse all of the issues. Let’s face it, the marriage equality survey was a stalling tactic by the opponents of marriage equality and now we are seeing other arguments being brought into it that don’t need to be brought into it.”

    The exchanges came on the back of the latest Newspoll which shows the government lagging Labor by 54 per cent to 46 per cent. It is the 18th successive Newspoll the government has trailed.

    The poll did find continued strong support for same-sex marriage with 63 per cent intending to vote Yes. But 62 per cent also agreed their should be legislated guarantees to protect religious freedoms.

    It found 67 per cent “definitely will” vote in the poll, to get underway from mid-September pending a High Court challenge.

    Frontbencher Craig Laundy said the government had trouble punching through with its messages and achievements, there was focus on Labor, and the government was being distracted by side issues.

    “The oxygen is being sucked up by issues that don’t register.”

  119. Nick

    The Fuck-up Fairy is the patron saint of the ALP. It beggars belief that not one ALP MP has breached the Constitution’s citizenship provisions.

    Yep. I think the play is to say nothing, let it go to the High Court, where a blanket ruling is made, then come clean once no risk of penalties exists. They are letting the other parties act as test cases.

  120. stackja

    The poll did find continued strong support for same-sex marriage with 63 per cent intending to vote Yes. But 62 per cent also agreed their should be legislated guarantees to protect religious freedoms.

    There will be no guarantees to protect religious freedoms.
    Vote Yes and say to goodbye religious freedoms.

  121. John64

    With his airline operating profitably and flawlessly, Alan Joyce shows he’s got time on his hands to pursue an extracurricular interest:

    Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has called on the business community to throw its weight behind the Yes campaign in the postal survey on same-sex marriage.

    Mr Joyce said at a press conference with Bill Shorten this morning that Qantas would be strongly campaigning in favour of changing the Marriage Act, urging others to do the same.

    “There is 1300 companies that have published their logo to support marriage equality, including all the banks and all the airlines, and I believe those companies should continue to go out there and support it,” Mr Joyce said.

    “They have given their logos to that campaign before and I have no doubt a large element of the business community will be out there supporting this campaign.”

    He said he was disappointed the vote went to a postal ballot and noted it was still subject to a High Court challenge.

    “I think most of the LGBTI community would have preferred if this was decided by parliament. It is $122 million that we could have spent on other items,” Mr Joyce said.

    “(But) I believe we have to get behind it and make sure that we have a Yes vote and certainly I will be out there strongly campaigning for a Yes vote.

    “I think it is very important for our employees, customers and our shareholders and that is why Qantas is a supporter of marriage equality, why we are a supporter of gender equality and why we are a supporter of indigenous rights.

    “We believe the social issues are very important of all of your stakeholders and are very important for this country.”

  122. Diogenes

    How’s it going to hit ships 20km away?

    Don’t know, but they are talking about

    Me neither, but there are some options :
    Drones lasing the target? (idea cribbed from the spotting planes used in WW2)
    Scout ship lasing/observing fall of shot/providing bearings from radar ? (like the escort ships used in WW1)
    Satellite imagery ?

  123. OldOzzie

    Malcolm Turnbull’s plotters find political success elusive — Part 1


    Mal Brough vanished. Wyatt Roy sells call centre technology. Peter Hendy wants a Senate seat. James McGrath is in ministerial limbo land. Arthur Sinodinos stays quiet. Scott Ryan is struck out sick. Simon Birmingham is at war with the Catholic Church. Mitch Fifield tried to buy media peace from One Nation.

    They have been dubbed the G8: the eight Liberals most intimately involved in the successful plot to remove Tony Abbott as prime minister.

    When they installed Malcolm Turnbull party leader on September 14, 2015, all might have seen their political careers flourishing under what many people expected at the time to be a unifying, inspiring and competent prime minister.

    Instead, their stories in some ways personify the broader story of the Liberal government: starting with such promise, they have mostly either proved to be disappointments or failed to live up to their early promise. An opinion poll published Monday shows the Labor Party would easily win power based on current voting preferences.

    Fateful decision

    When they gathered on the evening of September 13, 2015, at Hendy’s home in Queanbeyan, on the outskirts of Canberra, the atmosphere was thick with anticipation. The group, excluding Birmingham, who was flying up from Adelaide, took the fateful decision to remove a first-term leader who had ended six years of Labor power.

    The next day, Roy, Hendy, Brough, Ryan, Sinodinos and Fifield walked briskly alongside Turnbull to the meeting in Parliament House where they brought down Abbott, triggering open conflict between the two main wings of the party that persists today.

    Some observers thought Turnbull wouldn’t risk offending Abbott’s supporters through a wholesale overhaul of cabinet. They were wrong. Every member of the G8 was promoted. Several top Abbott ministers were dispatched to the backbench, where their resentment towards the government festered.

    No ministers epitomised the new regime better than Wyatt Roy. At an age when many young men are still learning to cook, the 25-year-old became Assistant Minister for Innovation. The job made Roy the public face of Turnbull’s nebulous plan to turn Australia into a technological leader. Roy relished the profile, and quickly picked up the Silicon Valley lingo.

    Unimpressed voters

    His electors in Queensland’s Moreton Bay region weren’t so impressed. Perceived to have neglected his electorate, Roy was thrown out of Parliament at the 2016 election. He went on a long holiday, witnessed a firefight in Iraq, and was recently hired as general manager for Australia and New Zealand for a US call centre company called Afiniti International Holdings.

    The company is classic example of technology improving an ages-old product. By matching the attributes of call-centre staff with callers through their social media profiles, Afiniti claims to improve sales be getting two people speaking who have more in common.

    At least Roy, who expresses no regrets, has a chance to establish a successful post-politics career. But he isn’t there yet. Afiniti, which Roy says has “almost” ten staff, hasn’t signed up any local clients.

    “I stand by everything we did,” he says. “It’s a national sport to beat up on politicians and having worked in the public and private sector I am thoroughly enjoying the private sector.”

    Comeback hopeful

    Older ex-politicians have fewer options. Another plotter voted out was Peter Hendy, who held the Canberra-to-the-coast seat of Eden Monaro, a marginal country seat many local Liberals felt wasn’t suited for the intellectual ex-Treasury economist.

    After last year’s election Hendy was picked up by Turnbull, who made him his economic adviser. But at 56 he wasn’t interested in a long-term position in a ministerial office, even the prime minister’s. He resigned a few months ago and is seeking work as an economic consultant and a board director while living in the seat of Bennelong on Sydney’s Lower North Shore.

    As long as former pro tennis player John Alexander holds Bennelong, Hendy says he will not challenge. But he is still eyeing off a political comeback. “If there was a vacancy on the Liberal side in the Senate I might be interested,” he says.

    He would likely be competing with younger would-be politicians like 33-year-old Andrew Bragg, who was briefly acting director of the Liberal Party this year.

    The biggest fall

    The MP who may have had the most to gain from Turnbull’s ascension has taken the biggest fall. Mal Brough, a non-cabinet minister in the Howard Government, was passed over by Abbott in 2013.

  124. Who wanted stainless steel cutting and polishing?
    At the 2.30 mark you can see them making the playing surface of my new pool table.


  125. Roger

    Democrats are now publicly stating that #Antifa violence is justified!!!

    Laura Tingle will be right on to this.

    (On Insiders on Sunday she was maintaining the Republicans are responsible for neo-Nazis.)

  126. Christine Forster has slammed Tony Abbott on social media.
    She has ridiculed his position on SSM.

    This from a woman whose brother stood by her when she divorced her husband, came out as gay, entered into a same sex relationship, and left her 4 children to a broken marriage.

    Leftist dogma trumps family values.

  127. Delta A

    But 62 per cent also agreed their should be legislated guarantees to protect religious freedoms.

    Oh, dear.

  128. old bloke

    Robber Baron
    #2475137, posted on August 21, 2017 at 10:26 am

    Nothing will happen until the High court determines who is eligible to remain in parliament. Then it will be on!

    Nothing will “be on” unless there’s a full audit of all Parliamentarian’s citizenship, and that’s not going to happen as both the Liberal and Labor parties don’t want an audit.

    Some Senators may have to go, and they will be replaced by others from the same parties. Barnaby may go, but he’ll stand and win the by-election, so there will be no changes.

    And the voting public will be left in the dark with regards to who is qualified to be in Parliament.

  129. OldOzzie

    Malcolm Turnbull’s plotters find political success elusive – Part 2


    Turnbull made Brough Special Minister of State, a run-the-ministerial-offices job well suited to an ex-military man with a reputation as a tough and savvy operator. Brough, though, was accused of inducing an adviser to House of Representatives speaker Peter Slipper, James Ashby, to leak copies of Slipper’s appointments diary as part of a campaign to take Slipper’s seat, which Brough did.

    A Federal Police investigation eventually cleared Brough, but he was forced to step aside from the job three months after he started. He formally lost the job last February, and didn’t even bother standing for re-election.

    His new life is a mystery. Brough’s personal lawyer said he hadn’t heard from him in a long time and thought he was involved in a tourism business in northern Queensland. Another former contact says Brough isn’t returning emails. He has had no public profile since being cleared by the AFP. Reached through a contact, Brough said he didn’t want to be interviewed.

    Anti-Abbott campaign

    Brough and James McGrath were two Queensland MPs who brought a hard edge to what was an little-reported but effective campaign to undermine Abbott. Some of the criticism was public. Turnbull, for instance, mocked Abbott’s decision to reintroduce royal honours while pretending to praise him by citing other countries that bestowed knighthoods, including Guatemala, Peru, Argentina and Brazil.

    In the background journalists were regularly briefed by Turnbull’s supporters about internal missteps by Abbott, helpfully pointed to contradictions in his public comments, or simply told what terrible leader he was.

    Abbott’s most effective media critic was an Australian columnist and former Liberal press secretary, Niki Savva, who was fed a stream of damaging stories about the arrogant behaviour towards MPs and ministers by Abbott’s chief of staff, Peta Credlin.

    (Savva, whose husband worked for Turnbull, published a best-selling account about this period that competed with my book, Credlin & Co., How the Abbott Government Destroyed Itself.)

    Despite often being praised for his on-the-ground political experience – he has helped run national campaigns Australia and the United Kingdom – McGrath hasn’t risen above the rank of parliamentary secretary, the lowest rung on the ministerial ladder.

    Credlin concession

    Now that the Turnbull government is seen by many Australians as ineffective, there is an “I told you so” attitude among the vanquished. Abbott’s supporters do concede that Credlin’s poor people-management skills damaged the government.

    “Most people are recognising that while Peta Credlin was a shocker in her treatment of different people … that was one of the reasons Malcolm was able to tap into discontent,” one pro-Abbott MP says.

    Credlin was widely blamed for a leak that drove Arthur Sinodinos into Turnbull’s camp. As star staff member of the Howard Government, Sinodinos’ moved from the backbench to cabinet secretary under Turnbull. This year he became industry minister, where he has taken a low profile while the heavily accented Finance Minister Mathias Cormann – who voted for Abbott – has emerged as the government’s leading political tactician.

    Above all the other plotters, there remains bitterness among the defeated towards Sinodinos, whose great personal credibility made his criticism of the Abbott-Credlin government so potent. Abbott supporters felt that that Sinodinos’ criticism of regime was motivated by revenge, after he felt he had been poorly treated by Credlin, rather than legitimate criticism of the government. “There is a sense that he [Sinodinos] poisoned the well for revenge instead of giving some of the newbies a good reason to stick,” the pro-Abbott MP says. “Government wasn’t as easy as we were told.”

    Sick gut

    Turnbull’s other plotters have suffered personal and professional tribulations. Scott Ryan, the new Special Minister of State, has been forced to take leave because of complications from surgery to his stomach, a source said.

    Ryan is from Victoria, where the Liberal Party is so fractured that several of his fellow federal ministers didn’t know the reason behind his absence apart from that it is health related. Colleagues’ briefing against Ryan a few months ago led conservative firebrand Andrew Bolt to accuse the amiable minister on air of attacking Revenue and Financial Services Minister Kelly O’Dwyer, one of his closest friends in politics.

    Education Minister Simon Birmingham has been forced to adopt the broad thrust of the Labor Party’s education policy for political reasons. In effort to pass the Liberal Party’s version of Gonski education funding, he has engaged in a fight with the Catholic Church, which is one of Abbott’s core constituencies. Abbott used the policy to attack the government’s performance in a meeting of Coalition MPs.

    Communicating

    Communications Minister Mitch Fifield’s biggest challenge is to convince the Senate to liberalise media-ownership laws. He cut a deal with One Nation at the expense of the ABC. Whether that deal holds or not – the wily Nick Xenophon who may not be eligible to sit in Parliament is next to be negotiated with – remains to be seen.

    Even though few Australians are concerned about the owners of their media, the change is hugely important to the industry. Fifield will likely be seen as a failure if the laws aren’t changed.

    Fifield is also in charge of the National Broadband Network, which is proving fertile political ground for Labor. As more customers get connected to a slower-and-more-expensive-than-expected government monopoly service, the more Labor is trying to put the blame on the Coalition for making Labor’s original NBN plan more modest. Fifield and the government have been struggling to counter this narrative.

    The removal in 2010 of Labor Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – another leader accused of dysfunctional management – was described as one of the worst decisions in modern political history. Given Turnbull narrowly avoided defeat at last year, a defeat at the next election might prompt some political historians to argue that the Group of Eight led the Liberal Party into a terrible mistake.

    One of them argues that history is one their side. Peter Hendy, who hosted the fateful meeting in 2015, points to unexpected victories by prime ministers Paul Keating in 1993 and John Howard in 2001.

    “I am happy with the decision I made,” he says. “While a lot of people in the country are questioning the government, I think by the time we get to the election they will have a very, very high chance of winning.”

  130. stackja

    John64
    #2475239, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:20 pm
    “I think it is very important for our employees, customers and our shareholders and that is why Qantas is a supporter of marriage equality, why we are a supporter of gender equality and why we are a supporter of indigenous rights.

    “We believe the social issues are very important of all of your stakeholders and are very important for this country.”

    Crazy!

  131. Carpe Jugulum

    lotocoti
    #2475230, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:11 pm

    In those halcyon days of my yoot, the pass mark for your bi-annual Rules of the Road exam was 100%.
    Otherwise say goodbye to standing OOW.
    Perhaps the USN has a different standard.

    http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/display_article.php?id=100543

    This is an article from 2009 from a USN Bridge Watchkeeper who was seconded to the RN.

    Extremely different approaches in how they are trained and the level of competencythat the RN requires.

    Recommended reading

  132. Senile Old Guy

    Opposition leader Bill Shorten hit back. “I’m always up for having discussions about religious freedom in this country. I respect faith. What I won’t do is say that somehow by voting yes in a statistical survey to marriage equality that somehow this is a great assault on the religions in Australia,” he said.

    Of course he won’t. He’s beholden to the left for his power.

    “What I will not do is confuse all of the issues. Let’s face it, the marriage equality survey was a stalling tactic by the opponents of marriage equality and now we are seeing other arguments being brought into it that don’t need to be brought into it.”

    In other words, people are pointing out that it is not really about marriage equality. Abbott is directly over the target and people are scurrying about to wave him away.

    Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce has called on the business community to throw its weight behind the Yes campaign in the postal survey on same-sex marriage. “They have given their logos to that campaign before and I have no doubt a large element of the business community will be out there supporting this campaign.”

    And every company that does will find that people do not like being preached to and pushed to support left wing causes.

    He said he was disappointed the vote went to a postal ballot and noted it was still subject to a High Court challenge. “I think most of the LGBTI community would have preferred if this was decided by parliament. It is $122 million that we could have spent on other items,” Mr Joyce said.

    Of course, the LGBTI would have preferred a vote in parliament as they knew they would win that. And how interesting it is that people are suddenly worried about the 122 million, while the deficit is over $36 billion.

    “But I believe we have to get behind it and make sure that we have a Yes vote and certainly I will be out there strongly campaigning for a Yes vote. “I think it is very important for our employees, customers and our shareholders and that is why Qantas is a supporter of marriage equality, why we are a supporter of gender equality and why we are a supporter of indigenous rights. We believe the social issues are very important of all of your stakeholders and are very important for this country.”

    But what about those who disagree? Off to the gulag.

  133. Myrddin Seren

    Tom
    #2475225, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:09 pm

    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers

    Holy shit!

    I’m sorry, pouves. That is mental illness.

    And we know what happens healthwise.

    Weaponise an STD and get it out ‘in the wild’ amongst the ‘wildly promiscuous’ and look out.

    It sounds ScyFy channel but as someone once said, the most dangerous Islamist terrorist is not some Yoof-in-a-Van, but a smart person with an advanced biomedical degree.

  134. Diogenes;

    Drones lasing the target? (idea cribbed from the spotting planes used in WW2)
    Scout ship lasing/observing fall of shot/providing bearings from radar ? (like the escort ships used in WW1)
    Satellite imagery ?

    This isn’t about targeting the ship – it’s about hitting the ship. Any ship not in line of sight is in dead ground, and can hit the railgun ship with a ballistic trajectory from conventional guns or antiship missiles. Until the railgun projectile can be steered in some fashion, it is just a LOS weapon.

  135. Up The Workers!

    In this whole sorry debate about trashing decency and civilised standards, the only things that should be “degendered” are the likes of the Prime Quislings’ Groveller-General George Brandis of the Laboral Party and Bonking Billy Short-One of the A.L.P. (Allah’s Local Party).

    One certain advantage of “degendering” Bonking Billy would be that it would then be much safer for drunken 16 year-olds to attend future Young Labor(sic) Camps.

    Can’t wait for the reaction when the Groveller-General tells the Leaders of his favourite 6th century head-lopping religion that they MUST appoint female Mullahs, Muftis, Imams and Sheikhs, and MUST perform homosexual marriages WITHOUT murdering the newly-betrothed couple by tying-up and throwing them off the roof of the nearest tall building.

  136. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2475249, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:29 pm

    “I am happy with the decision I made,” he says. “While a lot of people in the country are questioning the government, I think by the time we get to the election they will have a very, very high chance of winning.”

    Win with MT? No!

  137. Roger

    This from a woman whose brother stood by her when she divorced her husband, came out as gay, entered into a same sex relationship, and left her 4 children to a broken marriage.

    Et tu, Christine?

  138. mh

    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers

    “We won’t be giving equal time to spurious arguments against marriage equality” – Lenore Taylor, Guardian Editor and ABC favourite

  139. OldOzzie

    Indigenous communities: Yalangi business development model provides jobs and direction

    Duncan Murray is a former investment banker and lawyer recruited to by Pearson nearly six years ago to run Cape York Partnership.

    The extremely high profile board includes names like Gilbert &Tobin’s Danny Gilbert, NAB chairman Ken Henry, private equity veteran David Jones and corporate adviser Gabrielle Trainor. The group receives little government funding for its various enterprises.

    Murray is leaving at the end of the year with a sense of frustration as well as achievement.

    Part of that frustration is due to his experience of the perverse incentives created by many of the government programs as well as the difficulties that come with reversing so decades of despair, abuse and dependency.

    But by now, he also has a much clearer idea of what should – and should not – happen even if progress takes longer than he ever anticipated.

    Government, he insists, is the problem as much as part of the answer.

    He rails against a system where private job recruiting agencies earn far more if they keep people unemployed and on their books rather than putting them into real a job, for example.

    Where Indigenous procurement programs mandated by governments can be padded to disguise the real level of Aboriginal ownership or employment – often referred to as “black cladding” – rather than favouring local Indigenous groups.

    Where federal, state and Indigenous health systems fall over one another with no integrated programs or case management and in some cases, separate and expensive medical facilities standing right next to one another.

    And where too many young Indigenous students never receive the training or skills required to permit them to become suitable employees, let alone start their own businesses.

    Such failures still can never explain the whole spiral downwards of substance and sexual abuse and domestic violence endemic in so many Aboriginal communities and compounded by divisions among Indigenous political leadership.

    So Cape York Partnership also emphasises the need for communities to empower themselves to break that cycle.

    Families have their income managed by a family “commission”, for example, if their kids don’t attend school or require medical treatment too often, or if their parents appear in court too regularly. It’s a variation of the “healthy welfare card” pioneered by Andrew Forrest and being trialled in a few places.

    Coen is another Cape York Partnership community of about 400 people and eight different clan groups several hundred kilometres inland north of Cairns. It has little of the natural beauty of Mossman Gorge or its sense of direction.

    But in the local Coen primary school, attendance is high and happy looking kids enthusiastically answer general knowledge questions.

    Most read at grade level or above, another unusual success. This is due to CYP’s use of the Direct Instruction teaching method, a US system successfully using more rote learning to address literacy and numeracy problems.

    An arts centre is just getting going. An Indigenous road building and maintenance business is hungry for elusive work and the arrival of a bitumen road to help establish more tourism.

    Little steps on a long and potholed road.

    The rest of the Article is worth a read

  140. Roger

    He rails against a system where private job recruiting agencies earn far more if they keep people unemployed and on their books rather than putting them into real a job

    There was never a problem government intervention didn’t make worse.

  141. stackja

    Carpe Jugulum
    #2475251, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:30 pm

    Training again!

  142. test pattern

    ‘Revealing poll in various Islamic and semi-Islamic states’

    WTF is a semi-Islamic state? Is that like a semi Christian state or a semi Fascist state?

    A pew poll is never to be taken at face value, Pew’s methodology is infamously flawed.

    http://www.newmandala.org/distinguishing-piety-fundamentalism-indonesian-muslims/

  143. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2475259, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:37 pm

    And the old ATSIC mob says?

  144. Roger

    WTF is a semi-Islamic state?

    One where they don’t yet publicly stone accused adulteresses or throw homosexuals from tall buildings.

  145. C.L.

    Law enforcement agencies are actively working on the plan which could prevent suspect passengers from flying and see members of the public ordered to leave.

    Footage has leaked of the new policy being enforced:

  146. Myrddin Seren

    But what about those who disagree? Off to the gulag.

    Pretty obvious it is coming.

  147. srr

    🇺🇸StacyLStiles‏ @StacyLStiles 24h24 hours ago

    The Democratic National Convention of 1924.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHo-7-AWsAAyNOj.jpg

    Seriously, no joke.

    Democrats ARE the party of KKK, Jim Crow, Racism, Fascism, BLM & Antifa.

    https://twitter.com/StacyLStiles/status/899100290091188225

  148. srr

    Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 21h21 hours ago

    You take from them what they care about deport all terrorists families

    https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/899152737648218112

    Greg Gutfeld Show

  149. H B Bear

    That’s a first QANTAS isn’t begging the government for more protection and handouts. Now the gay leprechaun just wants homosexual marriage.

  150. Senile Old Guy

    One of them argues that history is one their side. Peter Hendy, who hosted the fateful meeting in 2015, points to unexpected victories by prime ministers Paul Keating in 1993 and John Howard in 2001.
    “I am happy with the decision I made,” he says. “While a lot of people in the country are questioning the government, I think by the time we get to the election they will have a very, very high chance of winning.”

    Utterly delusional. Turnbull has never, ever been a vote winner. And the Howard victory was mostly unexpected by the media. Remember, Howard won an election introducing a big new tax: the GST. That takes some doing.

    The Keating victory was largely due to the LNP and one smug and unlikeable John Hewson; and his confusion about cakes.

  151. pete m

    “I am happy with the decision I made,” he says. “While a lot of people in the country are questioning the government, I think by the time we get to the election they will have a very, very high chance of winning.”

    Insane.

  152. CL – has Airplane 2/Flying High 2 been screened lately?
    It would be a brave broadcaster who showed armed Arabs serenely parading through security today.

  153. Up The Workers!

    Could somebody please remind Alan Joyce that he is actually running ‘Qantas’ – NOT ‘Aer Cunnilingus’

  154. lotocoti

    but there are some options

    If you’re just under the horizon and have something stylish in 5″, you could lob shots all day long at the railgunner and be safe from those warp factor 9 bolts of doom.
    Of course getting there and getting your shots in before their guns/missiles/torpedoes/kitchen sink is a different matter.

  155. C.L.

    Shorten says we have to take his word for it that he renounced his Brit cit.

  156. srr

    Good Question –

    Amy Mek‏ @AmyMek 7h7 hours ago

    HERO OF THE WEEK

    OK Rep Bennett: “If confederate Monuments r being removed b/c of the Civil War, shouldn’t MOSQUES be removed b/c of 9/11?”

    https://twitter.com/AmyMek/status/899354790320365568

  157. Tintarella di Luna

    The lyingest liar to ever lead The Liars wants us all to believe him:

    Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha

  158. H B Bear

    If Peter Hendy is comparing Waffleworth to either Keating or Howard he must be a complete moron.

  159. srr

    0HOUR1‏ @__0HOUR1_ 22m22 minutes ago

    https://www.republicanrealnews.com/single-post/2017/08/20/Antifa-Petition-Makes-it-to-Whitehouse

    Antifa petition makes it to @WhiteHouse for review,

  160. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten denies he’s a ‘secret English agent’

    Bill Shorten has slapped down claims he needs to prove he renounced his British citizenship, declaring the “desperate” government was rolling out a conspiracy he was a “secret English agent”.

    Mr Shorten said this morning that he renounced his British citizenship in 2006, a year before he entered parliament.

    “I am fully aware that the government is desperately trying to peddle its newest conspiracy that I am a secret English agent,” Mr Shorten said this morning.

    “The reality is, no I am not. I renounced my citizenship in 2006. There is no whiff of anything to the contrary.

    “This is a government desperate to distract attention away from the fact that not one, but two of their senior ministers, have a cloud over their constitutional eligibility, including the Deputy Prime Minister.”

    Mr Shorten received British citizenship by descent through his father, William Robert Shorten, who emigrated from Newcastle upon Tyne to Australia before the Labor leader was born.

    Mr Shorten questioned whether Nationals ministers Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash are eligible to be ministers, despite Attorney-General George Brandis yesterday rejecting these claims.

    He said the government should not vote on controversial legislation until the High Court makes its decision.

    “The Prime Minister needs to explain why he is hanging on to two ministers who have a cloud over their constitutional eligibility, but he was happy to let another one go,” Mr Shorten said.

    “This is a government who doesn’t do the basic homework, doesn’t check the eligibility of their candidates and we think that they need to get back to business.”

    Mr Shorten said there were no Labor MPs who had questions surrounding their eligibility to sit in parliament, rejecting the need for some MPs to show documentation to prove they renounced a foreign citizenship before entering parliament.

    “We have a strict vetting process. There is no cloud over any of our people. The constitution has been around, it is not a surprise note which we have just discovered, they should have done their homework.,” Mr Shorten said.

    “It is not Labor’s fault if government MPs and senior government ministers are not in compliance with the Constitution. That is their fault and the Constitution needs to be upheld and

    honoured until it is changed.”

    From the Comments

    Let me translate from Shorten speak. “No I have no proof that I renounced my British citizenship because I didn’t but don’t worry about that, look over there at the other Parties because just because I am a British citizen I am not a secret agent and neither are any of the other Labor members who don’t have any proof that they renounced foreign citizenship. We are all ok, trust me, I’m an ex Union leader”.

    If you have done the right thing then show us proof.

    There isn’t any reason why you shouldn’t.

    The only reason why you wouldn’t provide proof is because you can’t.

  161. Entropy

    Atoms for Peace
    #2475227, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:09 pm
    What happens to second hand burquas? Is there such a thing, as I can’t recall seeing the new Spring collection of same.

    That there isn’t a market for a new Spring Collection tells you that the Burka is in fact all about Subjugation of the woman.

  162. Leigh Lowe

    OldOzzie

    #2475200, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:40 am

    Would it be great if The Turdbull Coalition did this to Australian Qango’s

    President Trump’s Entire Arts and Humanities Council Just Quit

    Abbott tried to take $112m off the Australia Council.
    They squealed like stuck pigs and the Phallactic Cranium Brandis gave the money straight back.
    Incidentally, this is about the same amount being spent on the faggiage postal vote. I am still waiting for all the cries for the Arts cash to be re-directed to aged care and health because some of us think it is a waste.

  163. Boambee John

    CL at 1013

    “The verdict on domestic violence data and the Church: Believe the women.”

    “Believe the women”, wasn’t that what the left used to say about accusations of rape?

    Then the two Bills, Clinton and Shorten, faced accusations at different times, and clear evidence became more important.

  164. For the record, I, like Marcus, fully support same-sex marriage. However, I know [enough] about the ‘no’ camp to realise their argument is (aside from a few noisy swamp-dwelling extremists in Facebook comment sections) fairly basic. Those voting ‘no’ are perfectly happy for LGBT couples to have, by law, the same privileges and protections as heterosexuals. It is not about a denial of rights.

    Instead, traditionalists believe the word “marriage” should be reserved for a male-female pairing, for the simple fact this institution has been, for thousands of years, across every culture and religion, a union between a man and a woman for the procreation of children. That’s it. No hatred, no homophobia; it’s simply about the word.

    No, it’s not merely about a word as if the two types of relationship are the same, or that they both call forth the same suite of rights. Why is this simply assumed?

  165. John64

    “We have a strict vetting process. There is no cloud over any of our people. The constitution has been around, it is not a surprise note which we have just discovered, they should have done their homework.,” Mr Shorten said.

    Such a “strict vetting process” no doubt would be to require all prospective ALP candidates to provide documentary proof that they have renounced any entitlement to citizenship of a foreign country and the ALP keeping said documentation on file.

    Such a “strict vetting process” would therefore make it very simple for the ALP to produce said documentation and demonstrate the bona fides of any Member whose eligibility is called into question.

    Why the MSM isn’t screaming “horseshit” at the top of its lungs is a complete mystery, oh wait, no it isn’t ……….

  166. Woolfe

    @TurnbullMalcolm security blueprint.

    At airport
    Fed Cop “Can I see some identity please?”

    Islamic Terrorist KABOOM.

  167. Snoopy

    If the media believed Shorten’s claim that ALP MP’s are not in doubt they would be screaming for an audit of all MP’s. They aren’t so they’re not.

  168. stackja

    Enabling Act of 1933
    From Wikipedia
    The Enabling Act (German: Ermächtigungsgesetz) was a 1933 Weimar Constitution amendment that gave the German Cabinet – in effect, Chancellor Adolf Hitler – the power to enact laws without the involvement of the Reichstag.

    What could possibly be wrong with this, the German people were reassured.

  169. duncanm

    There’s a lesson here — what could it be?

    The Spanish policeman, who shot and killed four terrorists as they attacked civilians with knives and an axe in the resort town of Cambrils, is a former special forces soldier who was working overtime.

  170. srr

    CorrellioMkIII‏ @CorrellioAgain 17h17 hours ago
    CorrellioMkIII Retweeted Jean of Tours ☨ ⚜ ☩

    I did warn you they would teach anal sex in schools.
    To 8 YEAR OLDS.
    And these pervs cry about buggery by priests #auspol

    Jean of Tours ☨ ⚜ ☩‏ @JeanRespendial

    This is approved in victoria Australia for 8-11 year old kids.
    https://twitter.com/JeanRespendial/status/899151861852250113
    It’s part of the safe schools program.
    Grooming kids for [email protected]

    That this and SS’M’ is being forced on us at the same time and those who resist it are being blackballed, criminalised and unpersoned …… 😡 …… you know what follows, don’t you ………………………….

  171. notafan

    Especially if the author is avian.

  172. OldOzzie

    DNC Dominated by RNC in Fundraising Once Again

    The RNC has continued its dominance over the DNC when it comes to fundraising in 2017. The Republicans managed to raise $10.2 million in July compared to the Democrats’ $3.8 million in July.

    One would think with all the negative media coverage of President Donald Trump and the GOP in Congress not repealing Obamacare the RNC would be the ones in trouble.

    Not only that, but the RNC has zero debt while the DNC has $3.4 million in debt. From The Hill:

    The vast fundraising gap gels with recent trends — the GOP has substantially out-fundraised its rivals since the start of 2017.

    The RNC raised $86.5 million through the first seven months of the year, while the DNC raised about $42 million. The GOP also has a huge advantage in cash on hand — $47.1 million to $6.9 million.

    The Hill noted that the lack of funds “has frustrated Democrats, especially as liberals see a groundswell of enthusiasm in opposition to President Trump.” As I mentioned above, I would think the DNC would have no problem fundraising considering the media constantly has us believe that the country hates Trump and the GOP in Congress for not sticking to their campaign promises.

    However, it seems that the DNC is still in denial like Hillary, who still insists she lost because of misogyny. Maybe the DNC should look in a mirror?

  173. Bruce

    Dr. Fred:

    “socialite decromatik republic of Yarra”

    Shouldn’t that be:

    “socialite necromancer republic of Yarra”

    Or even:

    “shite necrotic republic of Yarra”

  174. H B Bear

    Especially if the author is avian.

    Squark to that.

  175. notafan

    Aww Fingers, a moron and an idiot?

    I is what I is.

  176. Senile Old Guy

    The ABC continues pushing Dylan Voller as some kind of social justice hero.

    Dylan Voller never set out to be a spokesperson for Indigenous youth. Not so long ago he could barely imagine himself breaking the cycle of incarceration he’d been caught in since he was 11 years old.

    See, he was “caught in a cycle”. He was not locked up because he kept stealing and committing violent crimes, including trying to run over a police officer.

    And the entire ABC puff piece never says why he was incarcerated.

  177. When that idiot said “I am a strong leader” was there a recording made of it?
    It’s just that I’m looking for a new alarm music to wake me up laughing…

  178. Up The Workers!

    Pommy Bull Shitten, Leader of the Australian LIARS’ Party.

    He has his pies cold and his beer warm!

    The man is NOT normal!

  179. Haidee

    QANTAS boss itching to tell employees – all must vote Yes

  180. srr

    Steven Ertelt‏ @StevenErtelt 3m3 minutes ago

    Want to Stop White Supremacy?

    Start With the 266 Black Babies Planned Parenthood Aborts Every Day

    https://buff.ly/2vV2Mwa

    Kevin W.‏ @kwilli1046 Aug 19

    If We’re Tearing Down Statues, Lets Talk About Margaret Sanger, Charles Darwin & Robert Byrd

    https://twitter.com/kwilli1046/status/898849422016004097

    via Peter Heck, Youtube
    [of course, though “via YouTube”, neither Google nor Youtube can find it 🙄 so you have to settle for that 1:35 minute twitter vid]

  181. H B Bear

    Can’t be long before Dylan Voller appears on Australian Story. That’s where the ALPBC staff co-op usually run these self-serving fiction stories. And Snowcone won’t be far away with The Snowcone Variety Hour Zacky Mallah courtesy bus.

  182. Bruce in WA

    “There is 1300 companies that have published their logo to support marriage equality, including all the banks and all the airlines, and I believe those companies should continue to go out there and support it,” Mr Joyce said.

    “We believe the social issues are very important of all of your stakeholders and are very important for this country.”

    Not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer; but then, English is the leprechaun’s second language.

  183. Tim Neilson

    There is 1300 companies that have published their logo to support marriage equality, including all the banks and all the airlines,

    Well that’s the end for the “no” campaign.
    I mean ordinary Australians are certain to do whatever the banks and the airlines tell them to do, aren’t they.

    “…and that is why Qantas is a supporter of marriage equality, why we are a supporter of gender equality,” and why they are in an alliance with a department of government of a country where gay conduct can result in a 10 year jail sentence.

  184. OldOzzie

    Tax for Thee but NOT for Me

    More than two-thirds of the BBC’s 96 wealthiest stars are paid off the books in a potential tax dodge, the Mail can reveal.

    Up to 66 presenters – who were all on the BBC rich list published last month – have six-figure salaries routed through personal service firms so they can avoid income tax.

    The corporation is still paying the high-profile celebrities in this way, even though bosses pledged to stop the practice five years ago.

    Last night, MPs and campaigners said BBC director-general Lord Hall must be called to Parliament to explain himself.

    Sources said the Commons public accounts committee would investigate the findings.

    The news follows a backlash last month when the BBC named the 96 presenters who earn more than £150,000 from licence fee money, including Chris Evans, on up to £2.25million last year, and Gary Lineker on up to £1.8million.

    The publication of the list led to accusations of stars being vastly overpaid and a mutiny among female staff over a huge gender pay gap.

    The Mail also discovered that some of the 96 stars were being paid off the books, which politicians and campaigners described as ‘inexcusable’.

    Following a Freedom of Information request, the corporation has admitted that 66 are not paid as BBC employees.

    But it is refusing to disclose the names of those paid through personal service companies, saying this was personal information and publication would be unfair to them – a decision this newspaper is appealing against.

    And one would have to assume the same for the Loverly Australian Bias Cooperative

  185. notafan

    Fingers thinks only those events that suit his narrative really happen.

    Sad.

  186. max

    What’s the big attraction, asks Philippa Martyr.
    Maybe it’s about pride; a lot of VIP homosexuals don’t want to feel second-class.
    GayPride didn’t work. Being entirely-married might do it.

    Haidee, it’s more insidiously malevolent. (but I think you know that)

  187. srr

    😆 … 😆 … 😆 😆 😆 ….

    TRUMP USA‏ @MADE__USA 1h1 hour ago

    WEEK TWO: Statues Fight Back
    https://twitter.com/MADE__USA/status/899455887135453189
    #statueslivesmatter #StatueWars #MAGA
    #StatuesFightBack #TrumpUSA #TrumpStrong #Art

  188. notafan

    I suppose the little boy who went to St Bernadette’s Primary School is just another paid actor.

    Sick and twisted.

  189. Top Ender

    In those halcyon days of my yoot, the pass mark for your bi-annual Rules of the Road exam was 100%.

    From memory of my RAN days, it was the same there. Seamen Officers sweated night and day before their exam.

    I do remember some of their sayings:

    – “Everyone on the wharf is an expert”

    – “Ships don’t have brakes”

    – “Uncharted rocks aren’t”

    – “Avoid the brown bits and stay in the blue bits.”

    And speaking as someone who once rammed a 40′ Navy workboat into an uncharted rock, I can say there is no feeling worse than hazarding your ship in such a way. (Lost my boat licence for three months and made to do remedial navigation.)

  190. C.L.

    It had to be the John McCain.

  191. H B Bear

    Some great questions there for the next time Googles G rocks up to Senate Estimates. Particularly around payments made by the ALPBC to personal services trusts and companies. Red Kezza’s documentary blowjob on Keating might be an interesting place to start.

  192. Haidee

    I want to hear Joyce say “I have a vested interest in this”, when he campaigns with that
    QANTAS “we”.
    Of course it’s common knowledge. But he should be saying the words, in all his pronouncements –
    front, centre and ending.

  193. C.L.

    So what’s the big attraction? If it’s legal safety equal to marriage, that can be achieved by amending the Marriage Act to give full marital-status recognition to de facto relationships.

    We shouldn’t allow that either.
    The Marriage Act – by definition – is about heterosexual relationships.

  194. srr

    Sheriff David Clarke DESTROYS Don Lemon on Black LIES Matter
    50 Stars

  195. notafan

    How can a moron pretend not to be a moron?

    I was very grateful to visit the medieval synagogue of Barcelona last year.

    Time to leave Barcelona, linky won’t work but you can find the article at the daily mail

  196. Another old bloke

    johanna
    #2475215, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    My understanding is that once laws are made, proclaimed etc there is no unscrambling the egg, unless an individual law (or part of a law) is found to be unconstitutional by the High Court.

    There is no mechanism for obliterating laws en masse.

    Not so. Laws may be repealed by the parliament in whole or in part or amended as the parliament decides. The Abbott government repealed the carbon tax legislation, for example. And related bills can be bundled for consideration simultaneously.

    The UK parliament will introduce a “Great Repeal Bill” to repeal all or most EU legislation currently applying in the UK. That will happen as a consequence of the Brexit poll and around the same time as the formal departure from the EU, though several related bills may be required. I expect the Australian parliament could do something similar if required.

  197. DrBeauGan

    79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers

    It’s all about leurving each other.

  198. test pattern

    All is not well for German tourists ganz unten says Der Spiegel

    ‘Raids, car breaks, rape… ‘

    http://www.spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/uni/in-australien-drohen-jungen-touristen-unterschaetzte-gefahren-a-844002.html

  199. notafan

    If people choose not to marry then why should they be covered by the marriage act, perhaps they actually don’t want to be seen as married besides which I’m very dubious about handing out consolation prizes, unforseen consequences and all that.

    Marriage is between a man and a woman, so get over it.

    You have all the protections and rights under the law that de factos do, if you want to enter into a contract do, it just wont be a marriage.

  200. This is how dumbies on twitter respond to Lyle Shelton pointing out that Abbott is right about SS’M”
    and religious freedom being related, contra Shorten
    :

    Dave The HappySinger‏ @HappySinger 26m26 minutes ago
    More
    “SSM leaders” aren’t a thing, and Porteous deserved to be held to account for his hatred.

    Dover Beach‏ @theordealofcons 19m19 minutes ago
    In other words, Abbott is right.

    ozicub‏
    @ozicub1
    Replying to @theordealofcons @HappySinger and 2 others
    No hes not. If you break the law you will be & should be prosecuted. Or are you saying religious people are above the law?

    To quote Senile Old Dog, vote No.

  201. Deplorable

    If it is proven that for much of the last three parliaments there was no legitimate majority, does that make the legislation these frauds brought in void?

    Interesting Point – any constitutional legal eagles out there care to comment?

    I am no lawyer but reading the high courts past judgment recently it would appear that legislation is all legal.

  202. incoherent rambler

    Do we have any high court judges appointed by one of the foreigners?

  203. incoherent rambler

    Or with the aid of a foreigner.

  204. srr

    Michael Savage reacts to attacks in Europe
    Proud Conservative

  205. Haidee

    “Do we have any high court judges appointed by one of the foreigners?” ha, ha

    I like the casual style – one of the foreigners

  206. Anyone that thinks that more and more cases like those against Arch. Porteous aren’t going to be made probably doesn’t care if they are, or more likely, manifestly wants them to occur.

  207. John

    Just had a quick look at the London Times webpage. I dont subscribe but give it a look every once in a while. Is it just me or has it become a tawdry, leftist paper with little real substance? Even the cartoon was typically multi culti labour. Only ISIs and the southern rednecks should be on the scrap heap. Funny last I saw blacks in the US had way more to fear from another black than a supposed Confederate nazi Klan member.

  208. GerardO

    The last time the Bombers won a Final, Mark Latham was Federal Opposition Leader.

  209. incoherent rambler

    Discovery that one or more more people voted multiple times doesn’t invalidate an election.
    Just for inconsistency’s sake losing a box of ballots does.
    Same principles, one would assume, apply to parliamentary votes.
    i.e. anybody’s guess

  210. johanna

    There is no mechanism for obliterating laws en masse.

    Not so. Laws may be repealed by the parliament in whole or in part or amended as the parliament decides. The Abbott government repealed the carbon tax legislation, for example. And related bills can be bundled for consideration simultaneously.

    Of course Parliament can repeal laws. But what is being discussed is the proposition that because a previous Parliament was allegedly fraudulently constituted, every single thing it did is invalid.

    There is simply no mechanism for implementing that proposition. The High Court would never support such a proposition, even if it had the power to entertain it, which is doubtful.

    Not only that, it is impossible to do in practice. For example, the Budget appropriations have been spent, and declaring a previous Budget “invalid” would mean that every public expenditure made that year was illegal, and liable for repayment. That’s just the tip of a horrendous iceberg of problems relating to actions taken by governments and citizens based on legislation.

    It’s a complete non-starter.

  211. pete m

    GerardO
    #2475344, posted on August 21, 2017 at 2:50 pm
    The last time the Bombers won a Final, Mark Latham was Federal Opposition Leader.

    And Sinc had hair.

  212. Pete M

    And Sinc had hair.

    Stimpy, too.

  213. val majkus

    Sheriff David Clarke DESTROYS Don Lemon on Black LIES Matter

    loved the way he stood up for police officers and great interview technique; by the end even the interviewer couldn’t work out who was interviewing who! something for conservatives to learn from before appearing on lateline

  214. Lysander

    Isn’t that 79% figure a little old? Looks like it comes from a source written in 1984? Or am I misreading?

  215. GerardO

    LOL
    I don’t think Sinc has had hair since the Vander Haar era…

  216. OldOzzie

    Laugh of the Day by Tim Wilson responding to

    Protect the Aussie way of life: Abbott


    Liberal MP Tim Wilson says the best way to protect religious freedom when legalising gay marriage is to vote Yes in the postal survey and put the Coalition in charge of drafting the laws.

    Mr Wilson said a vote for No would put a future Labor government in charge of drafting the laws, arguing a Bill Shorten-led government would not give proper respect to religious exemptions.

    It comes as Coalition MPs are split about whether the debate should be broadened to include religious freedoms or fought simply on whether gay couples should be allowed to marry.

    “If you want to have a discussion about religious freedom then what you should actually do is vote Yes, because then you will get a Liberal National government considering how we balance out the competing rights from a change in the law,” Mr Wilson told Sky News.

    “A vote for no is a vote for the Greens and Labor to do it when there is a change in the government, whenever that is.

    “Bill Shorten has said that if he is elected prime minister he will deal with the issue in the first 100 days and you will accept the Labor Greens solution to marriage for same-sex couples.

    “A vote for yes is a vote for a Liberal National government of understanding and taking proper consideration of advancing the rights of all Australians including same sex couples and people who believe in religious freedom.”

    Tim Wilson, I have a $50 Billion Subnarine I can sell you or perhaps you would like a Rescinded 18 (c)

    Tim Wilson – I would not trust you or the “Black Hand” Turdbull Coalition at anytime

  217. Diogenes

    Lasing is accurate and suspect ships itted with the railgun would have either conventional guns or escorts just like those big buggers (BB) and CVNs the yanks use/d eg the missouri can hit targets 32km away. The story also mentioned something about stationary targets rather than moving. Park off Norah Head lighthouse and shoot bolts of doom at the zopera house

  218. srr

    Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧‏Verified account @TRobinsonNewEra 33m33 minutes ago
    Tommy Robinson 🇬🇧 Retweeted BBCSundayMorningLive

    This is what we are up against with the BBC

    BBCSundayMorningLive‏Verified account @bbcsml

    Our first conversation today – is our response to grooming gangs racist?
    Let us know your thoughts – #bbcsml.

  219. mh

    Black Lives Matter will be speaking out against MS-13 very soon.

    Wont be long now.

    Anytime…….now…….

  220. Mike of Marion

    Winston Smith
    #2475244, posted on August 21, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    Yes it fascinating to watch the milling rates and depths modern cutting tools and bits can tolerate.

    And without cutting oil too.

  221. test pattern

    ‘This is what the ABC have aligned themselves with’

    Fair enough too.

    ‘…A recently discovered report by Bobadilla alleges that Columbus regularly used torture and mutilation to govern Hispaniola. The 48-page report…contains testimonies from 23 people, including both enemies and supporters of Columbus, about the treatment of colonial subjects by Columbus and his brothers during his seven-year rule…

    …According to the report, Columbus once punished a man found guilty of stealing corn by having his ears and nose cut off and then selling him into slavery. Testimony recorded in the report claims that Columbus congratulated his brother Bartolomeo on “defending the family” when the latter ordered a woman paraded naked through the streets and then had her tongue cut out for suggesting that Columbus was of lowly birth. The document also describes how Columbus put down native unrest and revolt; he first ordered a brutal crackdown in which many natives were killed and then paraded their dismembered bodies through the streets in an attempt to discourage further rebellion. ‘

    ‘…historian Howard Zinn writes that Columbus spearheaded a massive slave trade; in 1495 his men captured in a single raid 1500 Arawak men, women, and children. When he shipped five hundred of the slaves to Spain, 40 percent died en route. Historian James W. Loewen asserts that “Columbus not only sent the first slaves across the Atlantic, he probably sent more slaves – about five thousand – than any other individual… other nations rushed to emulate Columbus.”

    …De Las Casas writes that when slaves held in captivity began to die at high rates, Columbus switched to a different system of forced labor: he ordered all natives over the age of thirteen to collect a specified amount (one hawk’s bell full) of gold powder every three months. Natives who brought the amount were given a copper token to hang around their necks, and those found without tokens had their hands amputated and were left to bleed to death.’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

  222. Leigh Lowe

    duncanm

    #2475295, posted on August 21, 2017 at 1:19 pm

    There’s a lesson here — what could it be?

    The Spanish policeman, who shot and killed four terrorists as they attacked civilians with knives and an axe in the resort town of Cambrils, is a former special forces soldier who was working overtime.

    I watched a show last night on the murder of Lee Rigby, complete with the apologist from the Gruaniard spouting the line that the murdering muzzies were “soldiers in a war”.
    Anyway, there was a woman on the show who was one of the witnesses. She said she had been standing at the corner directing traffic away from the scene during the 20 minutes it took Plod to show up. She waved the flashing lights through to the scene, and this was followed shortly after by car-loads of plain-clothes buffoons who jumped out of their cars and immediately started shouting at people to move on, completely ignoring the blood-soaked butchers up the street.
    Her response (in thick Cockney accent) was priceless …
    “What! You can go fuck yourselves! I’ve been doing your fucking job for the last twenty minutes!”

  223. mh

    BBCSundayMorningLive‏Verified account @bbcsml

    Our first conversation today – is our response to grooming gangs racist?
    Let us know your thoughts – #bbcsml.

    2gb’s Steve Price can hold his head high next time he goes on state media. He totally ignored the fact that they are nearly all Pakistani Muslims.

  224. OldOzzie

    Bill Shorten’s British citizenship: displays classic hypocrisy, Angus Taylor says

    Liberal MP Craig Kelly has broken ranks with the Turnbull government and called for an audit of all parliamentarians’ eligibility to sit in parliament.

    Mr Kelly said this afternoon that all MPs should be forced to prove that they rescinded any claims to the citizenship of another country.

    The audit has been pushed by the Greens but rejected by the Coalition and Labor.

    “The mess with Section 44 reflects unfortunately on the government and we get punished for it in the polls,” Mr Kelly told Sky News.

    “I would like … an audit of every member of parliament that actually has to show evidence to make sure that they are (eligible).

    “We have had today questions about Bill Shorten and he is there saying: ‘oh no no I’m fine’. And they’ve asked him to show the documents and he hasn’t shown them.”

    Shorten’s ‘hypocrisy’ over citizenship

    Assistant Minister for Cities Angus Taylor has attacked the “classic hypocrisy” of Bill Shorten for refusing to show documentation he rescinded his British citizenship.

    Mr Taylor said this morning that the Opposition Leader was playing “tricky politics” and would not hold himself to the standards he sets the government.

    “We are seeing the classic hypocrisy here from Bill Shorten that we just see again and again and again,” Mr Taylor told Sky News this morning.

    “He is not even prepared to issue the documentation to demonstrate that he is a single citizen of Australia only and he is not a citizen of the UK.

    “And we’ve got others Susan Lamb, Justine Keay, a range of them where the evidence is not clear at all and they are not willing to give the evidence to the Australian public”

  225. OldOzzie

    mh
    #2475362, posted on August 21, 2017 at 3:29 pm
    BBCSundayMorningLive‏Verified account @bbcsml

    Our first conversation today – is our response to grooming gangs racist?
    Let us know your thoughts – #bbcsml.

    2gb’s Steve Price can hold his head high next time he goes on state media. He totally ignored the fact that they are nearly all Pakistani Muslims.

    mh – not true

    Eighteen people found guilty over Newcastle sex grooming network

    Four trials find 17 men and one woman guilty of nearly 100 offences including rape and human trafficking of vulnerable women and girls

    The trials were the result of police investigation Operation Shelter, which fell under the umbrella of Operation Sanctuary – Northumbria police’s investigation into the sexual exploitation of children and adults with vulnerabilities. Police identified as many as 108 potential victims in Operation Shelter and 278 victims in the wider Operation Sanctuary.

    Operation Shelter has clear similarities to grooming scandals in Rotherham and Rochdale, which featured gangs of British Asian men abusing white girls. The men in operation Shelter are from a wider range of backgrounds, including Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indian, Iraqi, Iranian and Turkish.

  226. srr

    Daily Mail Online‏Verified account @MailOnline

    Is Russia developing a GPS spoofing system?

    Ships in the Black Sea may have been misdirected by a new cyber weapon, experts claim

    In June, over 20 Russian ships appeared to be 20 miles inland, while at sea

    Experts suggest that this was due to Russia testing a GPS spoofing system

    Such a system could be used by hackers to misdirect autonomous vehicles

    And if used by state operators, it could cause huge ships to collide

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4781714/Is-Russia-developing-GPS-spoofing-system.html#ixzz4qMi6uV48
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

  227. notafan

    Be reasonable, Bill Shorten would never tell a lie.

    Ask his first wife, she’ll tell you.

  228. Senile Old Guy

    Liberal MP Tim Wilson says the best way to protect religious freedom when legalising gay marriage is to vote Yes in the postal survey and put the Coalition in charge of drafting the laws.

    The best way is to vote “NO”.

    Mr Wilson said a vote for No would put a future Labor government in charge of drafting the laws, arguing a Bill Shorten-led government would not give proper respect to religious exemptions.

    What a fatuous argument. Vote “Yes” because the LNP will do gay marriage better.

    Wasn’t Timmy one who changed his mind? Why, yes, he was:

    Colleague Tim Wilson argues Liberal MPs have discharged their responsibility to honour the party’s election promise for a plebiscite. ‘It’s in our best interests to move on from this issue so we can focus on the sorts of things I think people voted for me and for my party to deal with – tax reform, fixing the budget, national security,’ he told Sky News.

    And, Timmy, one of the things they voted for was a plebiscite; a promise you conveniently forgot.

  229. OldOzzie

    This is what we are breeding in Australia – but Congratulations are due to the SA Labor Attorney General on his response

    Fatal hit-and-run: boy, 14 charged over crash that killed Lucy Paveley

    A 14-year-old boy has been charged with manslaughter and a second boy, 13, has been arrested over a hit-and-run crash which killed Lucy Paveley, 40, at an intersection north of Adelaide on Sunday morning.

    Ms Paveley was travelling to work at 6.37am on Sunday when a stolen white Mitsubishi Pajero ran a red light and ploughed into the driver’s side door of her Nissan Micra at a crossroads near Parafield Airport, 21km north of Adelaide.

    The boy, from the northern Adelaide suburb of Paralowie has been refused bail and will appear in the Adelaide Youth Court this afternoon.

    Another boy, from Ingle Farm north of Adelaide, was arrested at 11am on Monday and is being interviewed by police.

    Police said they expect to make further arrests over the incident which has been declared a Commissioner’s Inquiry, a formal process to ensure significant incidents involving police are investigated thoroughly and independently.

    Ms Paveley, a mother of two, was an aged care worker at Elizabeth, north of Adelaide, and was studying to be a nurse.

    “Lucy was a much loved and valued member of the AnglicareSA Elizabeth Dutton Court team, where she worked as a care worker since 2013. We are supporting Lucy’s family and they will continue to be in our thoughts and prayers at this very difficult time,’’ AnglicareSA said in a statement.

    “This senseless loss of one of our AnglicareSA family members will be felt by all. When a senseless accident like this occurs our thoughts are with the family affected as well as our residents here at AnglicareSA Elizabeth Dutton Court and our staff, Lucy’s friends and colleagues.”

    Ms Paveley’s death comes as Attorney-General John Rau said any teenage offenders causing serious crimes would be tried and sentenced as adults, in a bill currently before parliament.

    Mr Rau told ABC Radio this morning that he would make sure that tougher penalties for youths transferred to adult courts will apply retrospectively to this case.

    “It’s sickening. The idea that people have such little regard for other members of the community and themselves I guess for that matter that they’re prepared to behave in this way and take innocent lives it’s just, it’s appalling,” Mr Rau said.

    “Assuming the bill actually gets through the Parliament, and I hope it will, it should apply to these young people but in light of the circumstances I’ll be asking my legal advisers to go over the bill again to make sure that it does apply from the day it passes and if it doesn’t we’ll make an appropriate amendment to make sure it does.”

    Tougher penalties have been proposed following public outrage to an 18-month sentence given to a teenager who killed mother-of-two Nicole Tucker, 48, in a fiery crash in October last year.

    The then 15-year-old was already on bail and serving a suspended sentence when he crashed a stolen car into Mrs Tucker’s vehicle at Bedford Park, south of Adelaide.

    He was clocked at speeds of up to 212km/h before impact, which killed Mrs Tucker instantly.

  230. Harlequin Decline

    Winston Smith
    #2475208, posted on August 21, 2017 at 11:49 am

    I understand the rail gun will launch the projectile into a high trajectory and then, to allow for the extended time of flight use some form of guidance to direct it onto the target.

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