Open forum: August 26, 2017

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  1. alexnoaholdmate

    The majority of the cases you reference were started by Dubbya, i.e. executive overreach by a Republican president. You can’t pin those on Obama, you idiot. It was Dubbya who did more defying of the constitution.

    You are a bit thick, aren’t you alex? Run along.

    All cases that Obama continued and prosecuted, because he wanted those same unconstitutional powers.

    Anyway, I stated that Obama holds the record for the most unanimous Supreme Court decisions against him. The link you offered confirmed this. Whether some of those cases were started by the Bush administration is irrelevant, because Obama continued them.

    Does Obama hold that record or not, Monty? If yes, then why are you calling me “thick” for pointing it out?

    If no – then you’re a liar, and your own evidence that you’ve offered contradicts you.

    So, which is it, Monty? Yes or no?

    (Rakes on standby).

  2. alexnoaholdmate

    alex, if you were a woman, and you fancied Humphrey Bogart, then I could understand, even more.
    But you’re not, are you

    I’m not about to offer the slightest bit of personal info to someone who was kicked off the blog for stalking other contributors and pretending to be them.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You may think you’ve looked after your kids in your will: think again

    Daniel Leverton died suddenly aged just 40, but his girlfriend of nine months was awarded the bulk of his super, rather than his children, because he had not nominated a super beneficiary.

    IT shouldn’t be allowed to happen but commonly does.

    A father dies either without specifying how his estate should be divided between a new partner and his children from a previous relationship, or without a will at all, and the children are left, quite legally, with little or nothing.

    It happened in Queensland after RAAF serviceman and father of two little girls, Daniel Leverton, died unexpectedly while surfing. His Military Super fund decreed three quarters of his entitlement and life insurance should be awarded to his de facto partner of nine months.

    In Mr Leverton’s case the fund had total power over where his assets went. Although his former partner was the executor and sole beneficiary of his will, he did not specify a beneficiary of his super or life insurance.

    In other cases the lack of a formal will, an oversight or unwillingness to rock the boat by specifying how an estate should be split produces a similar outcome: children lose both a parent and financial security.

    Daniel Leverton’s daughters, aged nine and seven at the time of his death, will be left with less than a quarter of his $451,000 retirement fund and insurance while his partner inherits the rest.

    Leverton’s father, Geoff, has called the outcome a travesty. His partner, a fellow RAAF servicewoman, said via her lawyer that she had offered each child $100,000 but the offer was rejected.
    Daniel Leverton left behind two beloved daughters when he died suddenly aged just 40.

    This scenario could just as easily be repeated in the event of a mother-breadwinner passing on without legal guarantees in place to ensure her assets reach her children.

    It could, and has, occurred in instances where a person has remarried after a breakup to someone with their own children.

    If they die without a will, their estate may go in its entirety to the new partner, and then, in time, on to his or her children, leaving the person’s own children with nothing.

    Tune into any radio talkback segment offering free legal advice and deeply complex inheritance issues such as this are standard fare. A gobsmacking number of people do not make iron-clad provisions for children.

    Perhaps they assume that children have a moral right to inherit the lion’s share of their super or insurance the “right thing” will be done.

    The Leverton case is proof you can never assume a new partner will see it your way, or your children’s way. Theirs is a cautionary tale: no matter how in love you may be with your new partner, the pragmatic should come before the romantic.

    In cases where two hurting partners of a deceased parent (the ex and the current one) are left to face each other off over money, both should be able to focus on the welfare of children. Should.

    It’s not too high an expectation that even though a new partner can accept the bulk of an inheritance, or claim it, they will “do the right thing” and offer it to blood family first.

    But there’s no guarantees. The take-out message here is make time for that paper work and do it. And make it bulletproof.

    The case that John Constantine mentioned, upthread.

  4. Tom

    Zulu, every year without the stone age savages of the Taliban in charge entrenches a return to civilisation, driven by the young — girls in particular, who are now being allowed to escape the poverty and dependence of illiteracy.

  5. Stimpson J. Cat

    At least God Emperor Trump didn’t say that Sheriff Joe could have been his son Monty.
    Look on the bright side.

  6. Elle

    Just reading through the posts and paying particular attention to the comments about the NRL. As someone who tunes into 2GB weekdays between 6:30am and 7:30am, whilst getting ready for work, I have come to the conclusion that Alan Jones should be the coach of all rep teams in Australia. He has the answer for everything and often relives his days as the successful coach of the Wallabies and the Balmain Tigers. I remember the 80s, when AJ was in fine form, prancing around the paddock and lathering up in the shower. I want to see him prance now. The Wallabies neeeeed him … especially tonight with the Bledisloe cup on. Can’t wait for the game!

  7. egg_

    ‘re-claim white Week ‘

    From Rich Old White Cvnts (ROWC) who enable angry, nasty brown people – lest they blow us up?
    I hear Ashtons are looking for a new circus tent as SHY is planning her own burqa protest.

  8. alexnoaholdmate

    He has the answer for everything and often relives his days as the successful coach of the Wallabies and the Balmain Tigers. I remember the 80s, when AJ was in fine form, prancing around the paddock and lathering up in the shower.

    Oh dear, Elle.

    The Wallabies neeeeed him … especially tonight with the Bledisloe cup on. Can’t wait for the game!

    If you’re a Wobblies supporter, I think you’re in for a rough night.

  9. Does Obama hold that record or not, Monty? If yes, then why are you calling me “thick” for pointing it out?

    You were trying to make a point about Obama’s executive overreach, when it was actually Dubbya who committed the overreach that was the subject of the majority of those cases, thus your talking point is completely stupid. Thanks for playing alex, you lose.

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    You may think you’ve looked after your kids in your will: think again

    If I suddenly die accidentally in an accidental accident orchestrated by reptilian Hillary morlock minions,
    I will be comforted to know that my super will be spent supporting Aboriginal children and refugee children.
    Because I care.

  11. alexnoaholdmate

    I used to argue that Monty had a place on this blog, even if I disagreed with him. And I enjoyed his guest post about the direction of the modern conservative movement. We actually had an intellectual discussion, even if everything he said was wrong.

    Don’t make me revise my opinion with your intellectual dishonesty, Monst.

  12. Delta A

    aahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    Maniacal laughter splattering the site.

    Giggling Libby’s back!

  13. alexnoaholdmate

    Thanks for playing alex, you lose.

    And again – no answer to my question. Why is that, Monty?

    It’s only a yes or a no – can you give an answer, please?

  14. egg_

    “Stalking” is such a harsh word for it.
    The sock drawer…

    Let’s hope it’s a sock, and not a severed head.

  15. jupes

    Zulu, every year without the stone age savages of the Taliban in charge entrenches a return to civilisation, driven by the young — girls in particular, who are now being allowed to escape the poverty and dependence of illiteracy.

    Yeah nah. Maybe in Kabul but not in the provinces.

    I would suggest that life for a woman in say, Kandahar province changes not a wit whether the Taliban, Afghan Government or local warlord is in charge. It’s burqa-a-go-go out there.

  16. alexnoaholdmate

    Let’s hope it’s a sock, and not a severed head

    A severed head if we’re lucky.

  17. alexnoaholdmate

    If I suddenly die accidentally in an accidental accident orchestrated by reptilian Hillary morlock minions…

    Don’t worry, Stimpy. Not going to happen.

    The morlocks and the reptilians don’t want anything to do with the Clintons.

    Even they have their limits.

  18. Tom

    Son of Daicos first goal in AFL footy. Go Pies! The Melbourne Snow-Skiers need to be acquainted with their fate in the coming finals — out in straight sets.

  19. Elle

    Alex, I’m actually one of those dual citizenship peeps – one of the confused mob. NZ born, but a fully fledged Austraaaalian – Aussie citizen – tic, Aussie passport – tick, Aussie partner – tick, six not sux – tick. However … and there is always a however … I have a soft spot for the All Blacks. Saying that, I would love to see the Wallabies win. Seriously, the last game was only exciting when the Aussies came back (too late) in the second half.

  20. alexnoaholdmate

    Saying that, I would love to see the Wallabies win.

    I’m an Aussie, but the Wallabies don’t deserve to win. At all.

    Maybe if they spent more time worrying about the quality of football they’ve been playing and less about whether gays can marry or whether we’re cruel to refugees, I’d have some sympathy for them.

  21. Alex, I work on Sundays and you are evidently having a senior moment. Improve your reading comprehension and get back to me.

  22. Stimpson J. Cat

    NZ born

    At least you are honest about it, unlike your hairy hobbit infested countries evil fifth column spies sent here to take over our country and corrupt our children through the spread of speech impediments.
    You may stay.

  23. Robert Mc

    Oh, and fuck off Grigs.

    Interesting comment, #417501, but a tad tardy. “Grigs”, as you call him hasn’t been here for about a month or so. You probably missed him cos he was in overnight detention. Sinc is likely protecting you lesser mortals from his ministrations.

  24. Roger

    I’ve just seen the full report of Gillian Triggs’s remarks on sharia law and Catholicism at Sam Dastyari’s book launch. She is possibly the stupidest woman to ever rise to high position in Australia. Even the journalist reporting her ignorant remarks understands that sharia divorce courts would disadvantage women.

  25. Stimpson J. Cat

    Alex, I work on Sundays

    So do I.
    Today is Saturday you buffoon.

  26. Haidee

    alex, I fear I cannot say that I

    “respect you too much to ever argue with you”

    Weekend Australian still give space to Nikki Gemmel (who once wrote a book).
    Today she offers her thoughts on Vulnerability. Her heart fairly broke – for the lone boy in the park.
    And did she have the courage (that she bangs on about) to go up to him and have a chat?
    No. Of course she didn’t.
    She thought: “Aha! I can use this. My next column in the Weekend Australian!”

  27. alexnoaholdmate

    Alex, I work on Sundays and you are evidently having a senior moment. Improve your reading comprehension and get back to me.

    You have time to write post after post, but not enough time to answer my question with a yes or a no?

    Sure, Monst.

    Okay, case closed on this one. Monty lied. Again.

  28. alexnoaholdmate

    So do I.
    Today is Saturday you buffoon.

    Ha! I didn’t even pick up on that!

  29. Roger

    Maybe if they spent more time worrying about the quality of football they’ve been playing and less about whether gays can marry or whether we’re cruel to refugees, I’d have some sympathy for them.

    Pocock isn’t in the team.

    I’m not aware of any current Wallabies making public comment on such matters, although I may have missed something.

  30. Nick

    Egg, my friends of a similar vintage call me ‘CC’ (cranky c…).
    I’m thinking of getting a t shirt made with cranky white c… On it .

  31. alexnoaholdmate

    I’m not aware of any current Wallabies making public comment on such matters, although I may have missed something.

    It’s the vibe, Your Honour.

  32. jupes

    Son of Daicos first goal in AFL footy. Go Pies! The Melbourne Snow-Skiers need to be acquainted with their fate in the coming finals — out in straight sets.

    Hopefully they don’t even make the finals.

    It looks like they are doing their best to make sure they don’t.

  33. Robert Mc

    Ha, Floater, there you are again. I’ve been out in the yard but I didn’t step in any dogshit so I knew it was you.

    Good afternoon. 🙂

  34. lotocoti

    Pocock isn’t in the team.

    He’s on a paid sabbatical from them.

  35. Tom

    Jupes, Pies are smashing them 41-9.

  36. Myrddin Seren

    Weekend Australian still give space to Nikki Gemmel

    She gets a regular podium at Channel Nein too.

    Why the media continue to pay for this preppy vacant headspace is beyond me.

    I keep expecting her to yell:

    Hockey One, Hockey Two – game on girls !

  37. Tiny Dancer

    mOron can’t answer simple questions like “when is Slippery Pete retaking the speaker’s chair”? Let alone something like that. mOron must be having a fat moment. Too much sugar retards the brain.

  38. alexnoaholdmate

    mOron can’t answer simple questions like “when is Slippery Pete retaking the speaker’s chair”? Let alone something like that.

    Yes, well.

    With this government, anything could happen.

    Don’t write it off yet – Monty may shock us all with that prediction.

  39. cohenite

    You are a bit thick, aren’t you alex? Run along.

    You run along you maggot; the Kenyan gave the nuke to the mullahs in iran and created ISIS. The bastard gave us the arab spring, ignored the mutant in NK, produced BLM and therein ANTIFA; he allowed multiple wiretapping of his political enemies, marginalised Israel and facilitated alarmism with creeps like Holdren as his science advisor. Worst POTUS ever.

  40. Robert Mc

    ower …

    Hear it all the time on MSM and their ALPBC is the worst at mangling English.

    You’ve not been to the US of A? Lots of Yanks say “hour” and “our” as “ower”. If you watch any speech by Hillary or Donald, they both do it. They both did it during their televised debates last year.

  41. alexnoaholdmate

    Baldrick around? No?

    Okay. Fuck off, Grigs.

  42. Roger

    It’s the vibe, Your Honour.

    Well, I suppose they are sponsored by QANTAS, but without Pocock around they seem quite focused on the rugby…which they certainly need to be.

  43. Haidee

    I know I shouldn’t write ..anything.. in response to ..anything.. that Robert Mc writes
    But I’m going to

    Would half-a-dozen people here have ever read Wind in the Willows? Okay, maybe a dozen.
    Said the loveable larrikin Ratty – to Moley:
    Ratty: “Look, see! it’s a door-scraper. It’s for scraping …. off your boots”.

  44. Makka

    Okay, case closed on this one. Monty lied. Again.

    mOron gets all aroused when he’s able to engage rational people in blog conversations. It’s how he gets his pathetic leftard jollies. In mOron world it affords him the air being part of intellectual discourse. Some fall for it, all the time. I don’t understand it.

    Not only is that discourse with a renowned lying fkwit, mUnty espouses and aggressively supports all the leftist, queer, baby killing , kid grooming and violence agendas of the rancid left. Never , ever, gift the left legitimacy. You end up as soiled and odorous as they are.

  45. Roger

    the Kenyan gave the nuke to the mullahs in iran and created ISIS. The bastard gave us the arab spring, ignored the mutant in NK, produced BLM and therein ANTIFA; he allowed multiple wiretapping of his political enemies, marginalised Israel and facilitated alarmism with creeps like Holdren as his science advisor.

    And he didn’t stop the seas from rising as promised.

    Pshaw!

  46. Myrddin Seren

    Deep State kicking back hard.

    FBI Raid on Paul Manafort’s Home Was ‘Heavy-Handed and Designed to Intimidate’

    The source said both Manafort and his wife were asleep when FBI agents entered the Alexandria, Va., condo without warning at about 6 a.m. ET.

    ‘Entered the condo without warning’ as in, smashed the door in with a battering ram and surged in waving guns ?

    Because on the basis of the above description, it seems very lucky for the Manaforts that they made no moves which could have been interpreted as ‘threatening’ – as it is possible they may have suffered a ‘Clinton Suicide Event’.

  47. I’ve just seen the full report of Gillian Triggs’s remarks on sharia law and Catholicism at Sam Dastyari’s book launch. She is possibly the stupidest woman to ever rise to high position in Australia. Even the journalist reporting her ignorant remarks understands that sharia divorce courts would disadvantage women.

    In other words, she is a rank and file Leftist.

  48. alexnoaholdmate

    I know I shouldn’t write ..anything.. in response to ..anything.. that Robert Mc writes
    But I’m going to

    One Grigs puppet teams up with another Grigs puppet to attack a person (Baldrick) renowned for pointing out that they’re both Grigs puppets.

    Well, colour me shocked.

  49. Sparkx

    Haidee my dear, life is way too short for reading the dreadful scribblings of Ms Gemmel.

  50. Haidee

    Sparkx, I have to read her!
    I’ve got a brother-in-law who just loves her – so I need to be prepared

  51. Nick

    Gemmell wrote a book about sex. Shudder

  52. alexnoaholdmate

    Sparkx, I have to read her!

    Does mother know you read the writings of nasty, dirty girls?

  53. Robert Mc

    One of my mates from high school looked like a younger Bogart and was known as Humphrey. Now looks a lot like the older Bogart and is still known as Humphrey.

    Key Largo. At the Starbucks there was the first time I ever saw a drive-though for coffee. Nice girl there corrected our pronunciation of “mocha” (mokka) to “mo-ka”.

  54. alexnoaholdmate

    Key Largo. At the Starbucks there was the first time I ever saw a drive-though for coffee. Nice girl there corrected our pronunciation of “mocha” (mokka) to “mo-ka”.

    And you stayed at the Bates Motel.

  55. Fisky

    One of my mates from high school looked like a younger Bogart and was known as Humphrey. Now looks a lot like the older Bogart and is still known as Humphrey.

    Fake news! Everyone knows you don’t have any friends, Grigory.

  56. Andrew

    Alex, I work on Sundays

    So do I.
    Today is Saturday you buffoon.

    [Thwack!] Grrrrrr…

  57. Andrew

    So question for mOron when he returns from his Sunday shift:

    Did Sam Wormer deserve to get stabbed by AntiFA in an apparent attempted murder? If so, why?

  58. Natural Instinct

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    3:13PM – 4:00PM
    Kathy Lette, Katharine Murphy, Virginia Haussegger, and Sarah Ferguson discuss Women in the Media at a National Press Club event as part of the 2017 Canberra Writers Festival.

    I can hardly wait.
    .
    I wonder if it will be fair and balanced, or objective? Seems to me it will a left wing rant.
    Your taxes at work – Official Partners

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    Actual people have donated $210, or 7% of target

  59. srr

    Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor weigh-in before superfight

  60. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Alex, I work on Sundays

    So do I.
    Today is Saturday you buffoon.

    [Thwack!] Grrrrrr…

    Another Lefty who doesn’t know what day of the week it is. Color me surprised.

  61. srr

    JohnWickofPolitics‏ @Gingrich_of_PA 4h4 hours ago

    I spoke about it earlier this week. We knew Seb was leaving. It’s complicated, but no McMaster plot. He’s going 2 be a phenomenal voice 4 us

    https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/901243866480771072

    Security clearance issues never got resolved. NOT a purge. Gorka dislikes the NSC team, it’s mutual. Great surrogate

    https://twitter.com/Gingrich_of_PA/status/901242802998259714

  62. Entropy

    Imagine if a group of middle aged blokes got together to ‘discuss men in the media’. Would it be featured at the national press club? What if men set up a gym that was a mirror image of fernwood?

    Will Jathy Letts celebrate the portrayal of (wise and clever) mums compared with (clueless) dads in commercials?

  63. Natural Instinct

    As I wrote in that cited piece, the real purpose of the progressives is

    to create turmoil, chaos; keep society and its institutions reeling from one punch to the next. The only solution to this turmoil? Why, naturally, more progressive government and regulation.

    It is an assault by trivia. The tyranny of trivial pursuit. If you give in on one, you are undermined for the next assault. It is the old Indian chess story of how one grain of rice on a chessboard square becomes acres and acres of rice. (exponential growth)

  64. srr

    Mayweather vs Mcgregor : ‘Weigh In’
    [longer show with more commentary]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rmwxPIWls

  65. cohenite

    WHAT HAS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DONE SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE ……

    1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch

    2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria

    3. He took us out of TPP

    4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)

    5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6

    6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven year high

    7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada

    8. Bids for border wall are well underway

    9. Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord

    10. Keystone pipeline approved

    11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%

    12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees

    13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans

    14. More than 600,000. Jobs created

    15. Median household income at a 7 year high

    16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history

    17. China agreed to American import of beef

    18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks

    19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining

    20. MOAB for ISIS

    21. Travel ban reinstated

    22. Executive order for religious freedom

    23. Jump started NASA

    24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget

    25. Targeting of MS13 gangs

    26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants

    27. Signed 41 bills to date

    28. Created a commission on child trafficking

    29. Created a commission on voter fraud

    30. Created a commission for opioids addiction

    31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients

    32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007

    33. Historic Black College University initiative

    34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act

    35. Created an office for illegal immigrant crime victims

    36. Reversed Dodd-Frank

    37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning

    38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement

    39. End of DAPA program

    40. Stopped companies from moving out of America

    41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs

    42. Encouraged country to once again – ‘Buy American and hire American’

    43. Cutting regulations – 2 for every one created

    45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they areAmerica first

    46. Apprentice program

    47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years

    48. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota

    49. Denied FBI a new building

    50. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation

    51. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll

    52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)

    53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt

    54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years

    55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth

    56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people’s lives than any President in the history of America

    57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman

    58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve efficiency of their branch. (Observe the push-back the leaks the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)

    59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues

    I hope each and every one of you copy and paste this every where, every time you hear some dimwit say Trump hadn’t done a thing! Bob Sr.

    Ray Schneider, PhD
    Associate Professor Emeritus
    Bridgewater College

    ********

    It took 32 years for the 3 prior administrations to totally destroy this nation and her people, and Trump’s first 6 months to begin a major unwind of all the prior traitorous issues.

  66. H B Bear

    Trumble in Albury.

    Reminiscent of when the Slapper bussed in a load of Mummy Bloggers into a Western Sydney RSL. Do you reckon either Lucy or Waffles know how to knit? It’s kangaroo time.

  67. alexnoaholdmate

    It took 32 years for the 3 prior administrations to totally destroy this nation and her people, and Trump’s first 6 months to begin a major unwind of all the prior traitorous issues.

    The three previous administrations only totalled 24 years.

    Mistakes like that will have people like Monty jumping up and down about we don’t know what we’re talking about.

  68. egg_

    (wise and clever) mums compared with (clueless) dads in commercials?

    Where’s [email protected] on the ‘mere male’ ads?

  69. John64

    Reminiscent of when the Slapper bussed in a load of Mummy Bloggers into a Western Sydney RSL.

    My favourite moment of The Lying Spapper’s Prime Ministership.

    She sailed through the bistro of the Rooty Hill RSL with an entourage of about 15 surrounding her, with the physical barrier of the buffet servery between her and the punters so there was no chance whatsoever of Mr or Mrs Western Suburbs talking to her and providing an honest appraisal of her performance.

  70. DrBeauGan

    The reason I mentioned Maxima is that, unlike Mathematica or Matlab, it’s free. With all that entails, good and bad. The Android version has display issues and you wouldn’t use it seriously, but kids could use it to checking their sums.

  71. old bloke

    Tom
    #2479661, posted on August 26, 2017 at 1:46 pm

    Zulu, every year without the stone age savages of the Taliban in charge entrenches a return to civilisation, driven by the young — girls in particular, who are now being allowed to escape the poverty and dependence of illiteracy.

    Tom, they aren’t being allowed to escape the “poverty” of Islam though. All attempts to force civilisation on Islamic states will fail while Inshallah remains. It is not the role of the USA or any other nation to force others out of their self inflicted dark ages.

    The US should have gone there to defeat AQ, and only take on the Taliban if they got in the way. “Nation building” will just drain our treasuries and spill the blood of our youth, no good will come from it.

  72. JC

    If this dude’s thesis is right and if it also applies in Australia as it does in the US, then love it or hate it, Qantas could end up at $13.50 a share.

    Barrons

    Why Airlines Could Climb 50%
    The sector has had a rough few weeks, but it’s seen worse and recovered before.
    By
    Teresa Rivas
    Aug. 25, 2017 2:10 p.m. ET

    MKM Partners’ Michael Darda takes a look at the airline sector today, writing that it has now entered “full-blown ‘correction’ territory.”

    Through the close yesterday, the group has plummeted almost 16% since its mid-July highs. That might sound scary, but Darda writes that the sector experienced a drop of nearly 18% in 2014 and a 32% collapse in 2015-2016—and then managed to rally to new all-time highs.

    For his part, Darda believes that airlines will likely run until price-to-sales ratios match or exceed the historical highs seen in the late 1990s (around 1.5 times sales). He bases this view on three major factors: Oligopoly pricing power, constrained cost pressures, and sustainable earning streams.

    Thus, he sees some 50% upside for the sector from current levels.

    He concludes:

    In our view, the two major macro risks for the airline sector would be 1) a U.S. recession and 2) some kind of international crisis that spikes oil prices. At the moment, we see very low recession risk with an upward sloping Treasury yield curve (despite YTD flattening), healthy narrow money (M1) growth (despite zero growth in base money), and credit markets that remain in relatively good shape (despite some widening in recent weeks). Whether an international crisis that spikes oil prices occurs is of course not knowable in advance, but the fact that the airline sector returned to profitability even with triple-digit oil prices before the 2014-2016 crude price collapse should give investors some sense of confidence about the resilience of the industry.

    Qantas revenue was $16 billion for the year. 1.5 times that = $24 billion.
    24/10.8 (market cap) = 2.22
    2.22 times the share price = 13.45 bucks a share.

  73. Des Deskperson

    “National Press Club Address Power, Politics, Passion
    3:13PM – 4:00PM
    Kathy Lette, Katharine Murphy, Virginia Haussegger, and Sarah Ferguson discuss Women in the Media at a National Press Club event as part of the 2017 Canberra Writers Festival.”

    I went along to one of the Canberra Writers Festival, err, events yesterday.

    The audience was mostly elderly women, and most of them overweight. The venue was lass than 1/3 full. The facilitator did her best, but the speaker – a women – was disorganised, vague and condescending.

    And what on earth would Kathy Lett know about contemporary Australia?

  74. Sparkx

    Indigenous-focused accelerator program Barayamal has partnered with global kids coding initiative CoderDojo to launch CoderDojo First Nations, a network of coding clubs aimed at Indigenous Australians.

    I hope they are doing it in traditional language.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    And what on earth would Kathy Lett know about contemporary Australia?

    Having lived the past how many years living in England?

  76. Haidee

    It’s QANTAS.
    Yes, the company also is cool with using the lowercase; no respect for the history; no need to remember it’s ‘Queensland and Northern Territory’

  77. DrBeauGan

    There is a never ending stream of boats coming from Hikkaduwa bay with tourists on board wearing orange vests. All they do is wobble about this side of the reef and then go back. Why they do it is beyond me. Perhaps they’ve never been in a small boat before.

  78. egg_

    what on earth would Kathy Lette know about contemporary Australia?

    About as much as sTan Grant would know about indigines?

  79. Des Deskperson

    ‘Having lived the past how many years living in England?’

    Lette appears to be in Australian primarily to flog her latest book, ‘Best Laid Plans’, a novel about a women trying to help her ‘special’ son get it off with a woman:

    https://www.penguin.com.au/books/best-laid-plans-9780593071366

    Best LAID plans; get it? The old punster hasn’t lost her touch.

    The book is reportedly based on her own experiences with her autistic son – sorry, that doesn’t sound quite right. Anyway, the publishers describe it as ‘ Uproariously funny and provocative, tender and life-affirming’ but they would, wouldn’t they?

  80. srr

    Right Angle – Trump’s Plan for Afghanistan – 08/25/17
    BillWhittleChannel
    Aug 25, 2017
    Steve Green and the Right Angle team discuss the policy aspect of Trump’s Afghanistan strategy and how the military has finally been unshackled to effectively combat the Taliban.

  81. egg_

    It’s QANTAS.

    It’s now ‘laser’ lowercase, too, as with a lot of other acronyms in commons use.

  82. egg_

    Likely ‘radar’ lowercase, etc.

  83. Jo Smyth

    The Mueller Grand Jury has issued a subpoena to the Podesta Group. Wonder if Donald Trump or Hillary know.

  84. overburdened

    Years ago the issue of fish in contaminated water showing organic changes such as sexual mutation, loss of fertility and loss of resilience to cope with the environment was a thing. It may be an explanation for the seemingly nonsensical carry on that has paralysed the business of Government and disrupted the social order. Strangely I feel unaffected, possibly due to hybrid vigour. That is not to say something may have been going on that I don’t know about in my generation that has contributed to following generations being the soft cock metrosexual or bull dyke useless wasters with which the planet is infected.

  85. Myrddin Seren

    The Mueller Grand Jury has issued a subpoena to the Podesta Group. Wonder if Donald Trump or Hillary know.

    If Killary has any concerns, you can bet your boots the FBI will do a ‘no knock’ breach-and-enter of Tony Podesta’s house at 3:00 am, decide he posts a mortal threat when he lifts his head from the pillow and, fifty rounds later, another Clinton Suicide.

  86. old bloke

    John64
    #2479753, posted on August 26, 2017 at 3:54 pm

    She sailed through the bistro of the Rooty Hill RSL with an entourage of about 15 surrounding her

    I always thought that Bistro was a French word for cafe, I learnt last night that it’s a Russian word. It came into the French lexicon after Napoleon’s defeat at Moscow. The Russians with some allied states followed Napoleon’s defeated army back to Paris, and forced Napoleon into exile. The Russians occupied Paris for seven months while they prepared a post Napoleon constitution for the French.

    During the Russian occupation, when the Russians dined at a restaurant they would shout “Bistro” (“hurry up” or “faster” in Russian) to the Garçons, who were probably taking their time to serve the Russians.

    Fast food therefore is an evil conspiracy launched by the Russians.

  87. Habib

    Tits has deckared he’s not a commie. Why do so many of them seem ashamed about their nature?

  88. test pattern

    Bon and Andrew

    Re rohingya refugees in muslim majority countries

    500,000 + in Bangladesh
    400,000+ in Saudi which is taking another 190,ooo
    200,000 in Pakistan
    50,ooo in uae
    11,ooo in Indonesia

    I have known some of these people for years. There are also substantial numbers in Turkey, and likely to be in Kuwait and Oman as well.

    ‘Saudi accepts effectively no muslim refugees from anywhere. Nor do any of the Gulf countries. This is widely reported and well understood.’ wrong again.

    ur a real thicko aren’t u.

    ‘Saudi Arabia has issued residency permits to 100,000 Syrians’

    ‘They are provided free access to education and healthcare, and allowed to take up jobs’

    Same for Rohingya, many who fled there decades ago prior to the contemporary trouble.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrians_in_Saudi_Arabia

    ‘Prior to 2009, Saudi Arabia’s late King Abdullah recognized the plight of the Rohingya and offered permanent residency for in excess of 250,000 Burmese Muslims’

    https://www.fairobserver.com/region/asia_pacific/saudi-arabia-myanmar-burma-rohingya-human-rights-ethnic-cleansing-world-news-34043/

  89. Robert Mc

    Nah, #417501, we were just passing through Key Largo on the way back to Miami. Probably no Bates Motel in either place. Might be one at Key West but I doubt it.

    PS. You should stop all the ‘Fuck off” stuff, or the Lotus Eater will be here claim ownership of it.

  90. herodotus

    It’s reported that Gorka is leaving the White House as well. Kelly reshaping the team?

  91. calli

    It’s now ‘laser’ lowercase, too, as with a lot of other acronyms in commons use.

    A snafu in scuba gear, off in the Tardis.

  92. test pattern

    Indigenous heroes cont.

    Charlie One Lampungmeiuwa

    ‘He and ‘Strangler’ McKenzie made several secret trips by submarine to Japanese-occupied Timor to assist in landing small parties of allied troops and stores. They were chosen because they spoke Malay.’

    http://ia.anu.edu.au/biography/lampungmeiua-charlie-one-10782

  93. Frank

    And what on earth would Kathy Lett know about contemporary Australia?

    Maybe she deserves some slack, look at what she is married to.

  94. calli

    PS. You should stop all the ‘Fuck off” stuff, or the Lotus Eater will be here claim ownership of it.

    Oh, thank you for reminding me.

    calli
#1181061, posted on February 7, 2014 at 4:16 pm


    Swearing fine. Found it.
That’ll be 500 bucks Professor.

    Sinclair Davidson
#1181075, posted on February 7, 2014 at 4:32 pm


    That’ll be 500 bucks Professor.



    Fuck off – that’s only in New Fascist Wales. Never let them mock Speedtoria again for our road rules.
Oops. Is it too soon to bring that up?

    Good times.

  95. Tom

    It’s reported that Gorka is leaving the White House as well. Kelly reshaping the team?

    You bet. In my opinion, Gorka was a self-aggrandising parasite. Good riddance!

  96. egg_

    A snafu in scuba gear,

    Ouch, sounds like a mishap with the bollocks – is that why Grigs prefers to @rseless?

  97. H B Bear

    Best LAID plans; get it? The old punster hasn’t lost her touch.

    The book is reportedly based on her own experiences with her autistic son – sorry, that doesn’t sound quite right.

    Seriously who in their right mind would want to read this shit?

  98. Motelier

    Seriously who in their right mind would want to read this shit?

    🤓Please Sir,
    Can I be excused from reading class this afternoon?

  99. Robert Mc

    Fuck off

    Fair enough. Completely different context (good humoured quip from Sinclair), but I’ll concede the point on a technicality*.

    [* I wasn’t here then and couldn’t possibly have known about it]

  100. calli

    Sure. Just don’t try to ping me for lying again. It won’t work.

  101. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From John64 at 3:12 pm:

    “Bit late now sTan, you’ve got spray paint on your hands:

    Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.”

    Late blooming noble savage sTan got precisely what he wished for and still he is not happy!

  102. Delta A

    calli

    #2479791, posted on August 26, 2017 at 5:13 pm

    Thanks, calli, for that humorous little trip down memory lane.

    (Fancy Doomlord swearing at you! Obviously, he was much braver in days long gone.) 🙂

  103. alexnoaholdmate

    PS. You should stop all the ‘Fuck off” stuff, or the Lotus Eater will be here claim ownership of it

    Fuck off Grigs, you twisted stalker troll.

  104. True Aussie

    enter of Tony Podesta’s house at 3:00 am,

    I hope they check the basement for Maddie McCann’s body

  105. Delta A

    [* I wasn’t here then and couldn’t possibly have known about it]

    Yeah, sure, Grigory.

  106. test pattern

    Indigenous heroes, and how WA colonial society fabricated propaganda to discredit them –

    Jaal, Yamaji armed resistance hero

    ‘Jaal and other Yamaji were incarcerated following their repeated confrontations with the settlers and the police, and for carrying out inter se “pay back” murders. ‘

    And Carringoora

    ‘Shortly after his release on the 12 May, 1901 Carringoora speared two white settlers, Mr Satterthwaite and Mr Smythe, near the Manfred Homestead. While resisting his arrest on 10 June 1901, Carringoora
    “shipped” three spears and was shot dead by Police Constable J. Gordon at Wangoolia on the Lower Murchison.’

    https://espace.curtin.edu.au/bitstream/handle/20.500.11937/1243/242450_Barrington%202016.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

  107. A Lurker

    Late blooming noble savage sTan got precisely what he wished for and still he is not happy!

    A rearguard action on sTan’s part probably because he fears that he’ll be pinged for the clean-up costs or charged with incitement to vandalism.

  108. egg_

    Late blooming noble savage sTan got precisely what he wished for and still he is not happy!

    But, but… he’s an upsTanding indigenie.

  109. test pattern

    ‘Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.’

    Cook’s inscription should be replaced with the school playground rhyme –

    Captain Cook chased a chook all around Aus-tray-lia
    When he got back he got a smack for being a naughty saaaay-lor

  110. egg_

    A rearguard action on sTan’s part probably because he fears that he’ll be pinged for the clean-up costs or charged with incitement to vandalism.

    Some of that blackfella Nugget boot polish ought to fix it – I hear that sTan highly recommends it?

  111. Robert Mc

    And I didn’t say you were lying. I said I doubted that Sinclair said it and I doubted that you could prove he did.

  112. Delta A

    And I didn’t say you were lying. I said I doubted that Sinclair said it and I doubted that you could prove he did.

    And you were wrong again.

    BTW, where’s Balders when we need him?

  113. calli

    This terrible need to have the last word.

    It’s okay. It’s forgotten. Rest easy.

  114. srr

    Press Conference On San Francisco Courthouse Steps with former Los Angeles DA
    The Center for Medical Progress
    Aug 25, 2017
    Press conference on the steps of San Francisco Superior Court after David Daleiden’s arraignment on 15 bogus felony charges filed by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra at the behest of his political backers at Planned Parenthood.

    Speakers:

    -Terrisa Bukovinac, Pro-Life Future San Francisco
    -Brent Ferreira, former Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney
    -Steve Cooley, former Los Angeles County District Attorney
    -Peter Breen, Thomas More Society
    -David Daleiden, The Center for Medical Progress

  115. Stimpson J. Cat

    Grigsie is Catallaxys Podesta.
    Aren’t you Grey Nurse Grigs?

  116. Sparkx

    Rob Stott‏Verified account
    @Rob_Stott

    We have elected MPs arguing that business should be able to put “gays not welcome” signs in their windows in 2017

    And so it starts. Soon you will only need to look the wrong way at some of these precious little snowflakes and you’ll end up in front of some tribunal or another and have to apologise with heaps of cash for your discwimination
    .

  117. Stimpson J. Cat

    And I didn’t say you were lying. I said I doubted that Sinclair said it and I doubted that you could prove he did.

    You don’t even know what sock you are, let alone what day it is.

  118. Robert Mc

    And, in saying that, again I’m not saying you’re lying.

  119. test pattern

    Year 12 WA Lit students are doing a book called ‘Montana 1948.’

    Just 170 pp the editor could have reduced it to a quarter of that – a short story – without losing anything. It’s a very slight work of literature indeed and there can be just one motive, not literary, for it’s presence on the curriculum.

    For those who haven’t read it, the novel’s about a Sheriff in a small town near the Canadian border just after ww2, who inherits the badge from his father. There’s an Indian reservation nearby, and the doctor, the sheriff’s brother, has been abusing his female Indian patients. It falls to the Sheriff to arrest his own brother and earn the wrath of his father.

    The more perceptive students, and feminists among them, are obviously being prompted to compare and contrast with the abuse of Aboriginal women by whites on the frontier, just as the contemporary debate on monuments was launched in similar fashion in the History Curriculum –

    ‘Students investigate an incident of frontier conflict in Western Australia and are challenged to consider different interpretations of the event. They carry out an inquiry, calling witnesses and critically analysing the evidence presented. They also investigate a memorial, called the ‘Explorers Memorial’, which carries both the original inscription from 1913 and a later interpretation of events by Aboriginal people from 1994. In doing so they experience how history ‘hears’ and ‘silences’ voices and how people use the past in the present.’

    https://www.australianhistorymysteries.info/casestudies/frontier-conflict-near-broome/

    These are both excellent examples of how the school curriculum can prepare the next generation as agents of change.

  120. Stimpson J. Cat

    The book is reportedly based on her own experiences with her autistic son – sorry, that doesn’t sound quite right.
    Seriously who in their right mind would want to read this shit?

    Don’t be like that.
    Autobots are people too.

  121. Robert Mc

    Stimpson, I always know who I am. Anyone else I can’t vouch for.

    Btw, you said you weren’t speaking to me anymore.

  122. classical_hero

    It took 12 years but the AGW have a hurricane to hit America.

  123. alexnoaholdmate

    Stimpson, I always know who I am. Anyone else I can’t vouch for.

    Btw, you said you weren’t speaking to me anymore.

    Fuck off, Grigs.

  124. Robert Mc

    Kathy Lette, I would suspect, is best not laid. At all.

  125. Stimpson J. Cat

    Btw, you said you weren’t speaking to me anymore.

    So you are Grigsie!
    Confirmed!!!

  126. Atoms for Peace

    ‘re the SSM and bakers etc etc. Rule number 1 is never piss off the chef.

  127. Robert Mc

    Nice try, Stimpson, but it was me you said it to, not him.

  128. cohenite

    alexnoaholdmate

    #2479745, posted on August 26, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    It took 32 years for the 3 prior administrations to totally destroy this nation and her people, and Trump’s first 6 months to begin a major unwind of all the prior traitorous issues.

    The three previous administrations only totalled 24 years.

    Mistakes like that will have people like Monty jumping up and down about we don’t know what we’re talking about.

    It felt like 32 years.

  129. Atoms for Peace

    What’s to stop a coerced priest from chowing down on shed load of garlic and not bathing for a few days before officiating at a wedding?

  130. egg_

    The book is reportedly based on her own experiences with her autistic son

    In comparison to his narcissistic parents?

  131. cohenite

    These are both excellent examples of how the school curriculum can prepare the next generation as agents of change.

    Let’s hope they also study how aboriginal women are treated within aboriginal culture.

  132. egg_

    I always know who I am.

    Labelled socks?

  133. Bloody ‘ell.
    What’s happened with the Cats and the never ending Battle of the Socks?

    For Gods sake, Doomlord, Calli, get the Gerni of Destruction out.
    And discipline the Cats who are feeding these idiots 100% pure Oxygen.

  134. Makka

    Let’s hope they also study how aboriginal women are treated within aboriginal culture.

    Also the health implications for a culture that transmits venereal disease in such high numbers to it’s youngsters, some only 8-9 years old. Such fascinating stuff on these noble savages.

  135. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘Saudi Arabia has issued residency permits to 100,000 Syrians’

    LOL.

    Syrian refugee crisis: How different countries have responded

    Saudi Arabia has reportedly issued residency permits for 100,000 Syrians though it has not formally accepted anyone actually classed as a refugee.

    In other words they are guest workers and will be booted out when the monarchy sees fit.

    ‘Prior to 2009, Saudi Arabia’s late King Abdullah recognized the plight of the Rohingya and offered permanent residency for in excess of 250,000 Burmese Muslims’

    How odd. The crisis started in 2012. Those Rohingya are guest workers, like I said. The reference to the “400,000” is the number of people who speak Rohingya in Saudi…if you followed the link in the wiki.

    There is plenty of information that Saudi and the Gulf Countries do not take refugees. UAE under a lot of pressure recently cracked a little, but it isn’t clear whether this is unconditional or has some unreported caveats. I suspect it does.

  136. Stimpson J. Cat

    Nice try, Stimpson, but it was me you said it to, not him.

    I changed my mind Grigs.
    Pretend I’m a wamen and don’t talk to me.
    Go work on your skin sock cross stitch or something.

  137. H B Bear

    Gotta get up pretty early to get one past Gargooglery’s sock drawer.

  138. Robert Mc

    Looks like the Wallabies have been given a needle.

  139. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Such fascinating stuff on these noble savages.

    The students at the local school where I used to live, got so sick of “Rabbit Proof Fence” and all the “noble savage” nonsense, that they couldn’t have cared less…

  140. Makka

    These rugby scrum sets have more detail foot placements than Swan Lake.

  141. srr

    C-SPAN interviews James O’Keefe about his book “Breakthrough”
    veritasvisuals
    Aug 25, 2017
    At FreedomFest on July 20, 2017, C-SPAN interviewed James O’Keefe about his 2014 book entitled “Breakthrough: Our Guerilla War to Expose Fraud and Save Democracy.”

  142. test pattern

    ‘Noble savages’

    Mulga Fred the Pilbara buckjumper who became the model for Pelaco Shirts’ ‘Pelaco Bill’

    https://tawatja.com/2017/03/01/pelaco-bill/

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a1/30/7d/a1307d579a622a7ea60e7d4a4106ac58–australian-vintage-incorrect.jpg

  143. test pattern

    ‘How odd. The crisis started in 2012.’

    Just as I thought. u don’t have the faintest clue.

  144. calli

    My eyes! Just watched the Pieman jogging in a rainbow “It’s time” t-shirt.

    I do wish they’d give warnings like they do for other horrors.

  145. Makka

    Good to see Pelaco Bill being so proud of the Aussie flag. Go Bill!

  146. old bloke

    test pattern
    #2479779, posted on August 26, 2017 at 4:59 pm

    Re rohingya refugees in muslim majority countries

    500,000 + in Bangladesh

    Test Pattern, the Rohingya are Bangladeshis, how can there be half a million Bangladeshis living as “refugees” in Bangladesh?

  147. Natural Instinct

    The Minnesota Supreme Court upheld that dismissal, in an opinion that cited the dictionary definition of marriage and contended, “The institution of marriage as a union of man and woman…is as old as the book of Genesis.” Finally, in 1972, Baker appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. It refused to hear the case, rejecting it with a single sentence: “The appeal is dismissed for want of a substantial federal question.” The idea that people of the same sex might have a constitutional right to get married, the dismissal suggested, was too absurd even to consider

    By now, it has become a political cliché to wonder at how quickly public opinion has changed on gay marriage in recent years—support for “marriages between homosexuals,” measured at 60 percent this year, was just 27 percent when Gallup first asked the question in 1996. But that didn’t happen organically

    The fight for gay marriage was, above all, a political campaign—a decades-long effort to win over the American public and, in turn, the court. It was a campaign with no fixed election day, focused on an electorate of nine people.

    Much as Americans like to imagine judges, particularly Supreme Court justices, as ahistorical applicators of a timeless code, the court is inevitably influenced by the world around it. As social mores have evolved, the justices’ consensus has too, on issues ranging from cruel and unusual punishment to segregation. “What the Constitution is understood to encompass has changed over time in ways that are dramatic, sweeping, and often permanent,”

    In September 1996, Congress overwhelmingly passed the Defense of Marriage Act, a law defining marriage as between a man and woman for purposes of federal law, and President Bill Clinton signed it.

    Wolfson always believed that only the court could legalize gay marriage: Regardless of public opinion, he firmly believed the Constitution required it, and jurists would eventually have to recognize that fact.

    But much of the resistance came from within the gay community. Some of the objections were ideological—that marriage was a “problematic” institution, that gays should be reshaping social norms rather than trying to fit into them.

    The Supreme Court case, named for the Ohio plaintiff Jim Obergefell, a Cincinnati man who sued to be listed on his late husband’s death certificate, was an amalgam of gay-marriage appeals from Ohio, Tennessee, Michigan, and Kentucky.

    After 2004, when voters in 11 states approved constitutional amendments, top Democrats blamed gay marriage for John Kerry’s loss in the presidential election, and some gay-rights leaders publicly wondered if the push for marriage should be shelved. The losses were piling up. In June 2005, representatives of 10 advocacy groups, including Wolfson and Bonauto, met in New Jersey to stiffen their resolve. They drafted a document, “Winning Marriage: What We Need to Do,” that proposed a timetable of 15 to 25 years. At the time, that seemed optimistic.

    In 2013, the Supreme Court struck down portions of the Defense of Marriage Act in a case brought by an elderly lesbian, Edie Windsor, who was taxed for her late partner’s estate because the federal government did not recognize their Canadian marriage. That decision set off a domino effect. Courts drew on its reasoning to strike down states’ gay-marriage bans, one after another.

    As Wolfson read the Supreme Court decision last week, he found that he, uncharacteristically, couldn’t stop himself from crying. The dispassionate, logic-driven lawyer kept flashing back to all the people he’d met in 30 years of battling for this improbable cause.

    So judges find in the US Constitution a ‘right’ to same sex marriage, something that had eluded previous judges for over 200 years.

  148. Motelier

    Kathy Lette.

    Always seems to be concerned with either fitting in or getting laid.

    Her and her son.

    Author of a real high brow book, Puberty Blues.

  149. alexnoaholdmate

    Test Pattern, the Rohingya are Bangladeshis, how can there be half a million Bangladeshis living as “refugees” in Bangladesh?

    They’re Burmese, have lived there since the 1400s. They may have originated in Bangladesh, but they’ve lived in Burma for centuries.

    The Burmese government claims they all moved there in the 20th century, so it can mistreat them. All garbage.

    Testes is right about that, at least. A broken clock, etc.

  150. alexnoaholdmate

    So judges find in the US Constitution a ‘right’ to same sex marriage, something that had eluded previous judges for over 200 years.

    Exactly.

    See, it turns out the authors of the Constitution way back in 1787 – white, conservative, middle-aged men, most possessing strong Christian beliefs – had included a right to gay marriage the whole time! Isn’t that incredible?

    They really were geniuses.

  151. Rabz

    Bluddee hell – all jokes down 17-7.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    ‘How odd. The crisis started in 2012.’

    Just as I thought. u don’t have the faintest clue.

    Hehe…you quoted the wiki at me now you won’t accept the same wiki?

    The 2012 Rakhine State riots were a series of conflicts between Rohingya Muslims who are majority in the northern Rakhine and ethnic Rakhines who are majority in the south.

    I do keep up with Myanmar because there are some churches we have been praying for for many years. Prior to the riots there was low level discrimination but that’s about it. The junta had plenty on its hands with the Karen, Shan and others to want to start a conflict with muslims in the west. They weren’t clueless.

  153. Frank

    Just watched the Pieman jogging in a rainbow “It’s time” t-shirt.

    What are the odds he organises the timing for the photoshoot, gets kitted up and has a staffer drop him off around the corner so he can jiggly prance for the cameras and then gets picked up again after the next corner.

  154. Haidee

    Three years gone by since James O’Keefe wrote his “Breakthrough: Our Guerrilla War ..”
    Thanks for the interview at 6.16pm

  155. test pattern

    ‘I do keep up with Myanmar’

    No u don’t. u don’t have a clue. Rohingya refugees first fled to Saudi in the early 1950s when the poms withdrew from the raj and betrayed them, having promised them autonomy post ww2 as they fought with the Allies against Japan. So they preferred Arakan to join E.Pakistan and have been persecuted ever since.

  156. Robert Mc

    Now it’s a game. The second half will be worth watching.

  157. Baldrick

    BTW, where’s Balders when we need him?

    Ta da … 😸

  158. Baldrick

    A blast from the past. Who could forget this little pearl …

    Grigory M
    #1570439, posted on January 14, 2015 at 10:56 pm
    I enjoyed a 2 day break with friends in the Illawarra – even did some beach fishing on both days. On the way home last night we detoured via the Auburn Maccas for dinner… After dinner, we purchased some Krispy Kreme donuts from the adjacent outlet, and have tonight enjoyed the last of them – Caramel Iced, and Chocolate Mud Cake.

    Oh how we laughed.

  159. Stimpson J. Cat

    Go the Maroons!!!

  160. Stimpson J. Cat

    the adjacent outlet

    Only Grigsie would use this turn of phrase.
    Classic Grigs.

  161. Makka

    So they preferred Arakan to join E.Pakistan and have been persecuted ever since.

    Cry me a river. Just more moslem refos we don’t want here.

  162. rickw


    Tom, they aren’t being allowed to escape the “poverty” of Islam though. All attempts to force civilisation on Islamic states will fail while Inshallah remains. It is not the role of the USA or any other nation to force others out of their self inflicted dark ages.

    They could clear the air though, blow up the mosques and shoot all the Imams. They could also repurpose the Madras system from a reliable source of canon fodder to a reliable source of workers and businessmen.

    Oh, and they need to piss all over “mohammeds cloak” and set it on fire. My read on on Afghans is that their #1 thing is being tribal, everything else is an expediency.

  163. calli

    Over at the Sultan’s : The Road to Jihad

    Worth a look.

  164. alexnoaholdmate

    Oh how we laughed.

    I remember that one.

    So does Robbie.

  165. C.L.

    Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.

    Sure, Stan.

  166. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.

    Sorry, Stan. You own that one.

  167. Baldrick

    Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.

    It’s exactly the response he and TheirABC were hoping.
    Next month the statues will have to be removed to save them from being continually defaced, Clover Moore will opine.

  168. alexnoaholdmate

    Next month the statues will have to be removed to save them from being continually defaced, Clover Moore will opine.

    Moving statues, now that’s a priority.

    Moving filthy squatters from their illegal fire trap in Martin Place? That’s another story.

  169. Baldrick

    Moving statues, now that’s a priority.

    Well they are a symbol of white oppression. Besides, they don’t answer back.

  170. Atoms for Peace

    Testes. Where did you go to become a weaponised idiot?
    Did you have to attend one of those coaching institutes that prep you for full membership of gob shitery?
    Last question . Did you sneak into the course as some quota enabled cretin?

  171. John Constantine

    Puberty Blues?.

    Thanks to safe sodomy lessons in primary schools the next memoir will be a toddlers tales on how his castration progressed his mother’s political phantasy, and his repeated cornholing progressed the phantasies of the older and more experienced men drawn to that sort of thing.

    Getting your underage boobs out on the beach for surfers just seems so quaint and old fashioned in these safe querty kindergarten bizzaroworld.

  172. Gab

    Indigenous journalist Stan Grant has slammed the defacement of a number of statues in Hyde Park as appalling and disgraceful.

    You instigated it, sTan, at least have the honesty to own the results of your big fat vacuous mouth, you craven dread-bolted malt-worm.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    TP – you keep on going back further and further into history. Why not go back to the fall of the Arakan Kingdom? Couple centuries ago.

    In the 1990’s through to 2012 things were quiet in the west because the junta was fighting a fruit salad of groups who were well funded due to the Golden Triangle. After 9/11 the balance changed because Afghanistan started to produce huge amounts of opium under the Taliban, who backflipped on their ban after they were booted by Bush. That forced the various groups in the north and east to the table, and deals were able to be done.

    Lots of people have gone to the Gulf as guest workers. Of course the Rohingya did, as have lots of Bangladeshis. The junta would’ve been pleased with that as it gave them an outlet (I’m deriving this as I’ve not read anything specific on that aspect – but it makes a lot of sense they would).

    Saudi makes sure they have the ability to boot them out if necessary – in the case of muslim countries they can close the borders to Hajj pilgrims, which gives leverage to force the guest workers’ return. But they were stuck after 2012 because the Rohingya guest workers would not be allowed back into Burma. I suspect they’re at the bottom of the pile, next thing to being slaves.

  174. Stimpson J. Cat

    OK Cats, get ready, it’s time for todays episode of:

    Which Sock Said That?????

    So, respectfully Sinclair, I put the following items to you:
    Firstly, I believe that Dr Beaugan’s comment on the Open Forum at ?.?? pm on ?? October last deliberately exposes the real name of a Cat commenter and should be deleted as soon as possible.
    Secondly, I believe that the Cat commenter known generally as Baldrick should be publicly reprimanded by you for deliberately and persistently drawing attention to the real identity of another Cat commenter.

  175. calli

    Automatonaphobia/pupaphobia has now become mainstream!

    If only Deadman was here. 😀

  176. Fergus

    Stan knows that if Australia becomes less Anglo orientated, Aboriginal people will be forgotten with them. It’s actually not in Stan’s interest to see the colonisers’ monuments lost.

  177. calli

    I can’t believe the Wallabies are still winning in The House of Pain. I need to avert my eyes lest they falter.

  178. Haidee

    Sydney’s Captain Cook statue is magnificent. Credit where it’s due
    I’ve never liked Stan Grant’s beady eyes.

    I wish johanna would call in; I want to ask her about her claim to love Australia, while flinging about all those angry “hicks” remarks about Queenslanders.

    I could be wrong. I often am.
    Happy to be corrected – was Delta A the fisherwoman who used to chat with the horrible Grigory about . . fishing? I must be wrong; Delta told me she always recognised the Devil when she saw him and so they never met. I think the Devil saw her first.
    Why was all that fishing talk allowed, S J.Cat?

  179. alexnoaholdmate

    You instigated it, sTan, at least have the honesty to own the results of your big fat vacuous mouth, you craven dread-bolted malt-worm.

    Once more with feeling this time, Gab.

  180. Rabz

    If you’re a Wobblies supporter, I think you’re in for a rough night.

    I’m not, but somehow they are still in it.

  181. srr

    The BBC’s Soft Bigotry of Low Expectations
    Computing Forever
    ..
    Unauthorized Expression10 hours ago
    How do black ppl not see how they are treated like retarded children by the govt and media they support?
    Are they retarded?

    Yes, the BBC now overtly treat their pigeons like pigeons by doing News in Pijin 🙄
    Oh, and remember, the British Government also gaols it’s citizens for not paying their compulsory TV licence that pays for this Idiocracy level propaganda –

  182. Baldrick

    If only Deadman was here.

    Agreed, but others are happy he’s not …

    Grigory M
    #2163012, posted on October 3, 2016 at 10:56 am
    * [ Who needs Dedders?] 😎

  183. Stimpson J. Cat

    Why was all that fishing talk allowed, S J.Cat?

    I don’t want to talk about Grey Nurse Sharks Grigs.
    Just stop.

  184. Rabz

    stan dolezal – please report to the newly erected stocks in Hyde Park, I tells ya.

    We don’t want to be having to drag you there in chains, but if you don’t front up, that is what will happen.

    And yes, I will be casting the first rotten tomato.

  185. Tel

    Rohingya refugees first fled to Saudi in the early 1950s when the poms withdrew from the raj and betrayed them, having promised them autonomy post ww2 as they fought with the Allies against Japan.

    You mangler of history. The poms left already ahead of the Japanese invasion.

    Got any documentation for this supposed “promise of autonomy” ? Who signed it, hmmm?

  186. True Aussie

    Its too late Fergus. Chinese, muslims, Indians and Africans don’t give a shit about Aboriginals.

  187. calli

    I knew I shouldn’t have looked! 😐

  188. old bloke

    alexnoaholdmate
    #2479863, posted on August 26, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    They’re Burmese, have lived there since the 1400s. They may have originated in Bangladesh, but they’ve lived in Burma for centuries.

    The Muslim population may have constituted 5% of Arakan’s population by 1869, although estimates for earlier years give higher numbers. Successive British censuses of 1872 and 1911 recorded an increase in Muslim population from 58,255 to 178,647 in Akyab District.

    After Burmese independence in 1948, the mujahideen rebellion began as a separatist movement to merge the region into the East Pakistan and continued into the 1960s

    Prior to the 2015 Rohingya refugee crisis and the military crackdown in 2016 and 2017, the Rohingya population in Myanmar was around 1.1 to 1.3 million. They reside mainly in the northern Rakhine townships, where they form 80–98% of the population.

    (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_people)

    You don’t grow from ~5% to ~98% of the population in under 150 years.

  189. Haidee

    Who has the Fishing File?

    S J.Cat, you’re writing like a woman . . yes, you are

  190. calli

    I’ll keep looking down…

    Seems to help. You guys just keep me posted on the score.

  191. alexnoaholdmate

    You don’t grow from ~5% to ~98% of the population in under 150 years.

    That was 98% in the towns, old bloke, not necessarily 98% of the population in the state/province. You can be a majority in the city but a minority overall – especially in an agricultural nation. This was a lesson bitterly learned with the plebiscites in Europe that followed WWI, but that’s getting off track.

    And yes, you can become 98% of the population in 150 years if everyone else leaves.

  192. alexnoaholdmate

    Who has the Fishing File?

    S J.Cat, you’re writing like a woman . . yes, you are

    WTF?

  193. Rabz

    aaaaaarrrggggghhh!!! 🙁

  194. Delta A

    Walleebees!

    What’s with this wallabies hysteria? Are they a new AFL team?

    (Runs away very quickly.)

  195. Tintarella di Luna

    What a disgrace sTAN Grant is. He incited the vandalism of the statues in Hyde Park. He lit the fire and is now watching it burn and thinks I better twinkle a little over it to pretend I had nothing to do with it. What a fraud and what a fool.

  196. Delta A

    You instigated it, sTan, at least have the honesty to own the results of your big fat vacuous mouth, you craven dread-bolted malt-worm.

    The Cat has the best-stocked adjectives cupboard in the whole wide world.

  197. Stimpson J. Cat

    WTF?

    I am apparently very feminine.
    I have always thought so.
    Sinead proved a wamens could be bald and sexy.

  198. alexnoaholdmate

    Sinead proved a wamens could be bald and sexy

    No.

    No, no, and no.

    Just no.

  199. Stimpson J. Cat

    What a fraud and what a fool.

    I wouldn’t give him a smoke if he came up to me on the street and asked me nicely.
    Or change.

  200. srr

    George Orwell – A Chilling Final Warning
    Democracy In Name Only

    From the 2003 Television docudrama: George Orwell – A Life in Pictures.

    Eric Arthur Blair (25 June 1903 – 21 January 1950), better known by his pen name George Orwell, was an English novelist, essayist, journalist, and critic. His work is marked by lucid prose, awareness of social injustice, opposition to totalitarianism, and outspoken support of democratic socialism.

    Orwell wrote literary criticism, poetry, fiction, and polemical journalism. He is best known for the allegorical novella Animal Farm (1945) and the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (1949). His non-fiction works, including The Road to Wigan Pier (1937), documenting his experience of working class life in the north of England, and Homage to Catalonia (1938), an account of his experiences in the Spanish Civil War, are widely acclaimed, as are his essays on politics, literature, language, and culture. In 2008, The Times ranked him second on a list of “The 50 greatest British writers since 1945”.

    Orwell’s work continues to influence popular and political culture, and the term Orwellian – descriptive of totalitarian or authoritarian social practices – has entered the language together with many of his neologisms, including cold war, Big Brother, Thought Police, Room 101, memory hole, newspeak, doublethink, and thoughtcrime.

  201. Perpetually motionless

    What’s with this wallabies hysteria? Are they a new AFL team?

    (Runs away very quickly.)

    Go fuck yourself, you stupid whore.

  202. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just no.

    Or was it Demi that proved a wamens could be bald and sexy and a soldier?

  203. Tel

    You don’t grow from ~5% to ~98% of the population in under 150 years.

    The British were enthusiastic importers of “guest workers” taken from amongst their holdings in Greater India and shipped to plantations in Burma where they could be deployed as cheap labour.

    When the war hit and the British found it too difficult to maintain the far flung corners of the Empire, they handed out some simple weapons and Far Coughed out of there, largely leaving each ethnic group to fend for themselves. Then the Japanese came through and gave all of them a smacking because neither the native Burmese nor the Rohingya were able to put up a coordinated defense to a well equipped imperial power.

    Before the British started their policy of mass immigration and ethnic displacement, there might have been a handful of wandering Muslims through Burma, with very little connection to the present day predicament.

    It’s mostly similar to the Tamils imported as labour into Ceylon (also at the convenience of the British).

  204. Tintarella di Luna

    You instigated it, sTan, at least have the honesty to own the results of your big fat vacuous mouth, you craven dread-bolted malt-worm.

    Once more with feeling this time, Gab.

    Gab that is magnificent – with all the advantage, advancement, concessions and opportunities given to sTAN Grant he spits in the eye of the society that lauded, applauded and wished him well even when he cheated on his wife and children with that horse-faced gobshite that he took up with, no accounting for taste but no hard feelings.

    Now, after preparing the molotov and lighting it he left it for someone to throw — and claims — it wazen me.

  205. Delta A

    Go fuck yourself, you stupid whore.

    Slightly OTT response to a joke, don’t you think?

  206. Atoms for Peace

    In Queensland, the burning question is. ” who is sTan Grant? “

  207. Stimpson J. Cat

    Go fuck yourself, you stupid whore.

    Whoa!
    Looks like we a got a badass over here.
    That you Grigs/Heidi/Sock of Uncertain Provenance?

  208. alexnoaholdmate

    Slightly OTT response to a joke, don’t you think?

    Seems we have a new sock, ladies and gents.

    Nastier version this time, too.

    Grigs is mutating. Soon he will be unstoppable.

  209. Robert Mc

    Excellent rugby match. Brilliant final try by NZ.

  210. Tintarella di Luna

    Rabz
    #2479936, posted on August 26, 2017 at 7:42 pm
    FFFFFFS! 🙁

    I feel your pain Rabz – so close and yet so far – I guess the All Blacks will ensure no consolation from the dead rubber either. Entertainment and disappointment all at once.

  211. Delta A

    Whoa!
    Looks like we a got a badass over here.

    Thanks, Stimp. Always appreciate a little help when a badass leaps out unexpectedly.

  212. Harlequin Decline

    Rabz,

    Thanks for organising the drinks last night. I enjoyed meeting up with like minded people and having a few laughs.

  213. calli

    Well. That’s that then. Don’t blame me. I didn’t look once.

  214. calli

    Good grief! There’s a flasher in the bushes!

    There was a Perpetual Motion here once. He had a great Gravatar.

    This one’s clearly an Impostor.

  215. alexnoaholdmate

    This one’s clearly an Impostor.

    Wonder how far back through the archives Grigs had to trawl to find someone who doesn’t post anymore, just so he could steal their identity.

    Gotta give it to him, he puts a lot of work into his stalking.

    Mother will be pleased.

  216. Robert Mc

    Go fuck yourself, you stupid whore.

    Somewhat indelicate. 😯

  217. Atoms for Peace

    Keeping track of socks on the Cat is more complicated than the ALP/ABC family tree.
    Any chance we can tag and neuter the bastards.
    Same with the socks btw

  218. alexnoaholdmate

    Somewhat indelicate.

    Then why did you say it, Grigs?

  219. Delta A

    There was a Perpetual Motion here once. He had a great Gravatar.

    This one’s ‘Perpetually motionless’. I guess that means ‘dead’.

    Very poor substitute for the original PM.

  220. alexnoaholdmate

    Keeping track of socks on the Cat is more complicated than the ALP/ABC family tree.
    Any chance we can tag and neuter the bastards.
    Same with the socks btw

    You owe me a new Jack and coke.

  221. srr

    Fuckin’ cowardly pack of attacking jackels

    hey, lets all back slap our ladies for their bad arsery against our enemies

    hey, lets all get offended and delicate when we cop it back

    you don’t get much more Commie Lefty than that

    oh but do feel free to carry on with your never ending 2 minutes of hate of the ‘others‘ … don’t want one of your own ‘othering‘ you, do you ………………………….

  222. egg_

    Chinese, muslims, Indians and Africans don’t give a shit about Aboriginals.

    sTan’s clan are being outnumbered and outbred by other brown people.

  223. srr

    … and that’s why …

    EUROPE IS LOST
    Black Pigeon Speaks

  224. alexnoaholdmate

    Haidee #2479903, posted on August 26, 2017 at 7:14 pm:
    Happy to be corrected – was Delta A the fisherwoman who used to chat with the horrible Grigory about . . fishing? I must be wrong; Delta told me she always recognised the Devil when she saw him and so they never met. I think the Devil saw her first.

    Then PM, in response to a rather harmless remark by Delta A:

    Go fuck yourself, you stupid whore.

    Looks like you have a special admirer, Delta.

  225. egg_

    Now, after preparing the molotov and lighting it he left it for someone to throw — and claims — it wazen me.

    sTan’s now doing covers of Shaggy?

  226. Delta A

    Looks like you have a special admirer, Delta.

    Lucky me, eh? 🙂

    Axelnoaholdmate, your post included,

    Delta told me she always recognised the Devil when she saw him and so they never met. I think the Devil saw her first

    Sounds like the lunatics have completely overtaken the asylum tonight.

  227. Baldrick

    Just another sock-a-thon Delta. Don’t take any notice of the troll.

  228. egg_

    What’s with this wallabies hysteria? Are they a new AFL team?

    Would any Islander be caught dead in those Qwerty shorts?

  229. srr

    [Pizza Alphabet SS’M’ [email protected]] Europe is finished. Nothing can save it now.
    PravoslavieUSA

  230. alexnoaholdmate

    Sounds like the lunatics have completely overtaken the asylum tonight.

    No, I want an answer to Grigsy’s question:

    Delta told me she always recognised the Devil when she saw him and so they never met. I think the Devil saw her first

    Well, Delta? Have you met the devil or not? And who saw who first?

    These are vital issues, and we deserve an answer.

  231. Atoms for Peace

    C’mon people. We are present at the birth of new troll; PM. At the moment, it is full of merconium but once that’s cleared, there could be hope. In the meantime, I’m happy to cloud fund some Chinese baby formula for the little tike.

  232. Beef

    My initial thoughts were why? “what happened”? TrumpKing said no more warrin’ about. Hmmm.

    Trump will approach Afghanistan with his usual M.O… Identify the problem, in this case study it’s nutjobs in a shithole looking for the next 9/11. He can’t just leave them plotting and scheming and funding them like the Kenyan did! His solution, not Nation building but killing the vermin.. (paraphrasing)

    Delegate the responsibility and call those identified to task. Pakistan, get your shit together on the border and at home. My friends in India are itching to assist us!!

    We’ll aid the Afghans in herding them all your way and fully expect them to meet Allah or turn and face us at your border Any target identified inside your border not dealt with swiftly, will be targeted and eliminated. Have you met my friends Fire and Fury?…$Billions in funding dollars at risk and our own strengthening military ties with India would see this to be in your best interests!

    Likewise he called out the Chinese to step up with NorKo. RINO’s, you own the Obolacare clusterfuck.

    New Military command responsibilities have likewise been identified and designated. He will want to see results, without question.

    Iraqi military will announce sooner, rather than later, that the head loppers control jack shit inside their borders and that they’re better able to keep it that way this time. A re-build MkIII may have a shot.

    So, I’m gunna let Trump have his Afghan flip for now. I know he’s no fool, and it’s a big skin loss he’s taking. Yet he pivots, privy to machinations even he finds too compelling to resist. Leaders do this and front up.

    He has also stated clearly that his endgame is death for wannabe jihadi’s. Kill ’em all …
    And you arsewipe fucking backstabbing Pakistani goat fuckers are gunna help or die with them.

  233. Baldrick

    Robert Mc
    #2479946, posted on August 26, 2017 at 7:49 pm
    Excellent rugby match. Brilliant final try by NZ.

    He agrees with you Grigory. Two peas in a pod …

    Malcolm Turnbull ✔ @TurnbullMalcolm
    It sure was. Well played @qantaswallabies – tenacious comeback great sign for the future. Congratulations @AllBlacks

  234. Delta A

    Well, Delta? Have you met the devil or not? And who saw who first?

    Difficult to say, Axel. If I did meet him, I didn’t recognise him, probably because I have always looked for the good in people, rather than the negative.

    Having said that, I have no qualms about decimating those who spread evil, either in person, or in written form… on a blog, maybe.

    My guess is that the devil saw me first, when I was in full evil-decimating mode, and he wisely decided not to mess with me.

  235. calli

    Not possible, Atoms. A new moniker using an old (unblocked) address.

    Unless Doomlord’s doing instant moderation duty tonight.

  236. alexnoaholdmate

    As if Malcolm knows the first thing about any sport other than tennis.

  237. Myrddin Seren

    Rohingya refugees first fled to Saudi in the early 1950s when the poms withdrew from the raj and betrayed them, having promised them autonomy post ww2 as they fought with the Allies against Japan.

    Got any documentation for this supposed “promise of autonomy” ? Who signed it, hmmm?

    Excellent question Tel.

    I have just read General Slim’s memoir of the Burma Campaign, and I couldn’t recall Slim making any particular mention of the Rohingya. Mind you, the Arakan battles were pretty grim, so Slim may not have been aware of what political officers were doing. He mentions in his post mortem of the Burma War that one one stage there were too many special forces and intel groups running around tripping over each other.

    So, out of curiousity – let’s go looking for ‘Rohingya British autonomy post wwii’

    One promising link is Human Rights Watch. If there is shit to dump on the imperialists, think we can count on HRW.

    The region remained under Japanese control until a British offensive drove out the Japanese in 1945. Prior to the Japanese invasion, the British, seeking to bolster support for their forces, had promised the Muslims of northern Arakan a Muslim National Area*

    And a reference for this:

    Moshe Yegar, The Muslims of Burma: The Study of a Minority Group, (Wiesbaden: Otto Harrossowitz), 1972, p. 95. and p. 96.

    Any readily available sign of this book ?

    I’ll be damned – first hit is a .pdf copy !

    Go to page 106 of the .pdf, page 96 of the book.

    In order to strenghten ( sic ) their standing in the region and encourage Muslim loyalty, the British had published a declaration granting them the status of a Muslim National Area

    Ah ah – a source. But do we have a primary source ?

    See footnote 2:

    2 I did not succeed in locating any written proof of the British undertaking to set up a “Muslim National Area” in Northern Arakan. Nevertheless, this is what interviews with Rohinga leaders indicated they believed.

    So – absent any other proof, the ‘Muslim National Area’ was some purported dream of the local locals.

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