You better put some ice on that

Went to the ballet last night and at half time went out for a coffee to make sure I could keep awake for the second half. And there I chanced upon the daughter of an old old friend who I had known since she was an infant, an extremely bright young woman who had even been dux of her school. And we chatted as we always do as I searched around for the milk, and in the midst of it all she asked me how I thought Donald Trump was going as president. And since we had quite frequently met on the train during the election last year and had chatted amicably about the election, I said what I thought, which was that I found he was going even better than I had expected he would, especially given the opposition he was facing. So I will now relate how the last conversation we will ever have from that moment continued.

Well, she said, he gives me the creeps. This may be a mis-remembrance since this is what Hillary has been quoted as saying in recent days as excerpts from her new book are being released. But if those weren’t her exact words, they were certainly her sentiments. Why, I said? Because he is not respectful of women.

So I said, but we elect presidents to deal with policy. Don’t you care about North Korea, Islamic terrorism, open borders, our economic future and the preservation of Western Civilisation? Don’t you think these are also important and should be put into the balance as well. No, she didn’t think that at all. Walking home at night safely without worrying about molestation is more important.

But, I said, if that was the major issue, what about Bill Clinton, and his enabling wife Hillary? With Monica it was consensual. But she was an intern and he was her boss, didn’t that matter [and I forgot to mention Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey if consensual was so important]? No, not in the least. You know, I said, as we stood in the lobby of the Arts Centre at half time at the ballet, you are living in a bubble surrounded by a normality that might come crashing down if we do not get our political environment properly set. You – she said to me – think like that because you are a male. You cannot understand things from the perspective of a woman.

Well, I said, lots of women voted for Trump. Yes, but they were white women. That is not a worthy argument I replied since it basically forecloses on all possibility that we can discuss anything. Once you say that, there is no possibility of coming to any kind of mutual understanding since nothing I can ever possibly say has any possible ability to get past that defence. (And funny enough, a black cab driver in Washington had made the same point when we had had a similar conversation in July, that I could not understand what he was saying because I was not black myself.)

And then we went back to our seats, where I was able to stay awake for the second half without the least bit of trouble. But what annoys me almost as much as anything is her breach of friendship. She knew my attitude to Trump pre-election but assumed, like every other political fool, that I must have seen the light once he became president. So far past her widest intellectual compass was the possibility that having backed him for the eighteen months that led up to his election that I might still find myself very content to see what he has done since he is doing what he said he would, or at least trying. Dragging policy into the conversation was merely trying to sidetrack the only thing that mattered so far as she was concerned, his wrongthought on how to treat women.

But as it happens, every Democrat president, aside from Jimmy Carter, since I became conscious of politics at all – Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton – has been a serial adulterer. Clinton was even worse, an accused rapist, and we have it on good authority that Hillary ‘put up with’ Bill Clinton’s sexual ‘grabbing, groping women’. Trump did not lie about it or deny this incident, but said what I say, that it was highly unacceptable, but that there are bigger issues that matter much more. If you can ignore the Clintons’ far far worse behaviour, and make this one story about Trump your single reason for not supporting Trump as president, then so be it. But if you also think you have any political judgement whatsoever, then you are an even bigger fool than I might ever have thought. Rotherham and Cologne have become one-word reminders of how bad things have become even if we restrict ourselves to sexual assault. If this one story about Trump is all she can think of as the reason not to vote for him, she really is stupid in spite of her undoubtedly high IQ.

AND FOR THE RECORD: And I do think of policy as what matters. Aside from not being Hillary or a Democrat, there is this as well on Trump’s side of the ledger. From Cohenite who has taken the list from somewhere else:

WHAT HAS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP DONE SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE ……

1. Supreme Court Judge Gorsuch
2. 59 missiles dropped in Syria
3. He took us out of TPP
4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
5. Consumer confidence highest since 2000 at index 125.6
6. Mortgage applications for new homes rise to a seven year high
7. Arranged from 7% to 24% Tariff on lumber from Canada
8. Bids for border wall are well underway
9. Pulled out of the lopsided Paris accord
10. Keystone pipeline approved
11. NATO allies boost spending by 4.3%
12. Allowing VA to terminate bad employees
13. Allowing private healthcare choices for veterans
14. More than 600,000. Jobs created
15. Median household income at a 7 year high
16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
17. China agreed to American import of beef
18. $89 Billion saved in regulation rollbacks
19. Rollback of A Regulation to boost coal mining
20. MOAB for ISIS
21. Travel ban reinstated
22. Executive order for religious freedom
23. Jump started NASA
24. $600 million cut from UN peacekeeping budget
25. Targeting of MS13 gangs
26. Deporting violent illegal immigrants
27. Signed 41 bills to date
28. Created a commission on child trafficking
29. Created a commission on voter fraud
30. Created a commission for opioids addiction
31. Giving power to states to drug test unemployment recipients
32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007
33. Historic Black College University initiative
34. Women In Entrepreneurship Act
35. Created an office for illegal immigrant crime victims
36. Reversed Dodd-Frank
37. Repealed DOT ruling which would have taken power away from local governments for infrastructure planning
38. Order to stop crime against law enforcement
39. End of DAPA program
40. Stopped companies from moving out of America
41. Promoted businesses to create American Jobs
42. Encouraged country to once again – ‘Buy American and hire American’
43. Cutting regulations – 2 for every one created
45. Review of all trade agreements to make sure they areAmerica first
46. Apprentice program
47. Highest manufacturing surge in 3 years
48. $78 Billion promised reinvestment from major businesses like Exxon, Bayer, Apple, SoftBank, Toyota
49. Denied FBI a new building
50. $700 million saved with F-35 renegotiation
51. Saves $22 million by reducing white house payroll
52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
53. Negotiated the release of 6 US humanitarian workers held captive in Egypt
54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years
55. Signed An Executive Order To Promote Energy Independence and Economic Growth
56. Has already accomplished more to stop government interference into people’s lives than any President in the history of America
57. President Trump has worked with Congress to pass more legislation in his first 100 days than any President since Truman
58. Has given head executive of each branches 6 month time frame, dated March 15, 2017, to trim the fat, restructure and improve efficiency of their branch. (Observe the push-back the leaks the lies as entrenched POWER refuses to go silently into that good night!)
59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues

I hope each and every one of you copy and paste this every where, every time you hear some dimwit say Trump hadn’t done a thing! Bob Sr.

Ray Schneider, PhD
Associate Professor Emeritus
Bridgewater College

********

It took 32 years for the 3 prior administrations to totally destroy this nation and her people, and Trump’s first 6 months to begin a major unwind of all the prior traitorous issues.

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130 Responses to You better put some ice on that

  1. Snoopy

    Steve, don’t cut her off. Just her a “Trump is still the President 🙂 ” message every Saturday.

  2. Sinclair Davidson

    … but that there are bigger issues that matter much more.

    You may think so, but clearly she doesn’t.

    The problem you have is here:

    Don’t you care about North Korea, Islamic terrorism, open borders, our economic future and the preservation of Western Civilisation?

    For those individuals who do not share an apocalyptic vision of the near future these things – these bigger issues – are not particularly interesting. Or if they are interesting, not in the way you imagine. So we are left with a view of Trump being a crass pussy-grabbing philistine whose only redeeming feature is that he ran as a Republican and not a Democrat. To be fair – that is not nothing, yet as time passes it will become increasingly threadbare.

  3. Steve Kates

    It wasn’t her biggest issue. It was her only issue.

  4. Snoopy

    So we are left with a view of Trump being a crass pussy-grabbing philistine

    Trump’s sin was that he highlighted the truth that many a woman’s elastic is weakened by power and money.

  5. Hydra

    Trump is a crass pussy-grabbing philistine.

    But that does not in of itself make him a shite president.

    Just makes him a cockhead.

  6. Sinclair Davidson

    It wasn’t her biggest issue. It was her only issue.

    And it is her issue to have.

    You seem to assume that everyone sees the world the same way you do, or if they don’t that they should. If she is more concerned about her own physical well being that she is about some tinpot dictator who are we to say that she is wrong?

  7. Fleeced

    That big list is largely underwhelming, to be honest… it’s not nothing, I guess – though it’s not all positive, either.

    Anyway, a week is a long time in politics, and over 3 years to go… Ugh. (I don’t mean “ugh” because of Trump, but because of all the media BS we’ll have to put up with in the meantime).

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    But that does not in of itself make him a shite president.

    Sure.

    Yet at the current rate he is going to turn up at the midterms with a great Supreme Court appointment and some secondary regulatory agency victories and little else to show for his time in office.

  9. Arky

    If she is more concerned about her own physical well being

    It doesn’t have to be an apocalypse for these bigger issues to intrude on her personal safety.
    Not in Melbourne where idiots are running around carjacking young ladies just like her and liberal judges let lunatics out on parole.
    And the Red China sock puppet in North Korea is closer to us than to mainland USA.

  10. Steve Kates

    We can see how hard it is to deal with even a Republican congress? What are the list of things he still needs to do in your view?

  11. stackja

    The people of the USA didn’t see any problems in the world on 6 December 1941.
    The people of the USA didn’t see any problems in the world on 10 September 2001.

  12. Jo Smyth

    The biggest thing to fear for the future is the continual indoctrination and dumbing down of schoolchildren and until that problem is solved there is no chance of any change.

  13. md

    The more angry cohorts of the Left are aggrieved individuals who are unhappy with themselves and their lives. For many, it is so extreme as to be self-loathing, and it manifests as a mental disorder – namely, an obsessive hatred of the ‘forces’ in society they blame for their perceived disadvantage.

    But why do they blame ‘society’ and invent a scenario in which they cast themselves as victims of society, and, more particularly, victims of what they regard as ‘powerful forces’ in society, such as an alleged patriarchy? I suspect it is a sub-conscious self-defence mechanism of the mind. Some people with self-anxiety issues turn their anger inward at themselves and this manifests in self-harming behaviour, such as physical abuse, eating disorders and even simple things such as smoking cigarettes (a sub-conscious desire to harm oneself) and alcohol abuse. But as a subconscious act of self-preservation many more turn their anger outward, directing it at the status quo, which is all of the forces in society they believe are in some way oppressing them. And that is why they are drawn to leftist politics. They see it as being destructive and anti the status quo and to them it provides the sub-conscious psychological relief of taking revenge on those they blame for their disadvantage or oppression.

    Always remember that when dealing with the Left you are dealing with damaged people who cannot be reasoned with.

    PS – add ‘Pardoning Joe Arpaio’ to your list.

  14. Sinclair Davidson

    1. Repeal ObamaCare.
    2. Cut taxes.
    3. Defund UN.

  15. Hydra

    Yet at the current rate he is going to turn up at the midterms with a great Supreme Court appointment and some secondary regulatory agency victories and little else to show for his time in office.

    I agree Sinc. I think he has been very underwhelming.

  16. RobK

    What are the list of things he still needs to do in your view?

    Stay in power long enough and keep up sufficient pressure to drain the swamp far enough so that people can realize there is a more free country to be had. It’s no small task, I hope he succeeds.

  17. Arky

    Trump’s Presidency is worth it for his dealing with Norks, China and the media whores.
    Anything else is a bonus.

  18. Eddystone

    You seem to assume that everyone sees the world the same way you do, or if they don’t that they should. If she is more concerned about her own physical well being that she is about some tinpot dictator who are we to say that she is wrong?

    Crikey, that’s a bit post-modern Sinc!

    Don’t you care about North Korea, Islamic terrorism, open borders, our economic future and the preservation of Western Civilisation?

    All of which potentially affect her physical well being, whereas what Trump said several years ago about grabbing women has zero effect on her personal well being.

    Steve, perhaps send her this video.

  19. Tel

    If this one story about Trump is all she can think of as the reason not to vote for him, she really is stupid in spite of her undoubtedly high IQ.

    This is one of the reasons I believe the entire concept of IQ is very weak. People have all sorts of advantages and disadvantages in highly nonlinear ways… including the most ridiculous blind spots over judgment calls like being able to recognize what a horrible person Hillary is (and no I don’t think Trump is wonderful, but you work with what you are given). Nor are IQ tests good predictors of success (they provide R-squared of approx 20% when you read the research) plenty of people like Bill Gates were able to be successful in business without much academic performance.

    A democracy works because it takes a large number of differently thinking people to make difficult decisions. For what it’s worth I think the US voters did the right thing in 2016 and Trump was the best option available at the time. I also think that in 2008 they were right to choose Obama when the other options were Hillary and McCain.

  20. John Constantine

    Trumps threat to the great raft of Big State jobs that are deserved by all lefty vegynsys wymynsys is the way he disrespects feminism.

    No way back or out, except to let Congress shut down government and fire the useless departments. See how the country runs without the B-Ark.

  21. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2480337, posted on August 27, 2017 at 11:57 am
    1. Repeal ObamaCare.
    2. Cut taxes.
    3. Defund UN.

    Dems/MSM don’t want any of this.

  22. incoherent rambler

    If she is more concerned about her own physical well being that she is about some tinpot dictator who are we to say that she is wrong?

    The illogic of this statement is awesome.

    I self identify as right therefore I am right.

  23. stackja

    We are going to tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect.

    — Harry Hopkins, advisor to Franklin D. Roosevelt

    Dems haven’t changed.

  24. Eddystone

    You – she said to me – think like that because you are a male. You cannot understand things from the perspective of a woman.

    This is the typical crap people who have wacky thoughts come up with to avoid having to confront the fact that they have wacky thoughts.

    She’s wrong to say that only women can understand from the perspective of a woman, because we have the ability to observe ourselves thinking, so we can alter our perpective, to some degree anyway.

    And who’s to say that a woman’s perspective is of any use when it comes to areas that are better served by men’s perspective, such as the safety of the family/tribe/nation/civilisation?

  25. Steve Kates criticising others for being closed-minded, now that is amusing.

    Trump is about as accomplished in the top job as Turnbull. Let us see if he can avoid shutting down the government and getting the debt ceiling raised. The next few months are going to be painful for him. He either begs for help from the Democrats, or his government implodes. There is no third option.

  26. Confused Old Misfit

    stackja
    #2480348, posted on August 27, 2017 at 12:05 pm
    Sinclair Davidson
    #2480337, posted on August 27, 2017 at 11:57 am
    1. Repeal ObamaCare.
    2. Cut taxes.
    3. Defund UN.

    Dems/MSM don’t want any of this.

    Dems/MSM. AND RINO’s don”t want any of this.

  27. John Constantine

    “What do you think of Shorten’s track record towards women?.”

    Trump is different to shorten, as shorten will turn on the taps to the rorts.

  28. Confused Old Misfit

    @Steve Kates: That’s what you get for going to the ballet, you silly twisted boy! Rejection from some silly girl with a head sufficiently empty that Donald Trump lives there rent free and scathing criticism from Sinclair Davidson! Oh! And ad hominem from Monty!

  29. John Constantine

    Just fire lefties until the budget balances.

    They will soon blink.

    Give Sheriff Joe control of the prison system and stack the crime in tents in a Washington winter.
    Let Hilary live like the Haiti disaster survivors the Clinton foundation raised funds for.

  30. RAZOR

    Because she is a woman she cannot understand the thinking of a man. Yet all of anti-Trump women have very strong opinions on how men (white, non-islamic male) think. We men let them get away with the double standard.

    Steve, keep expressing our view of the lack of rationality expressed by these spokepersons for infallable feminism.
    So for these ladies:
    A president is de-selected by his like of women not his hate. The hate is in fact expressed by those who do not accept his skill at getting things done. (He got himself elected against overwhelming odds.)
    Regarding women as objects. I defy anyone to say that they love you for your mind only.

  31. Eddystone

    Yet at the current rate he is going to turn up at the midterms with a great Supreme Court appointment and some secondary regulatory agency victories and little else to show for his time in office.

    It’s on! Turnbull for PM.
    Posted on 4:36 pm, September 14, 2015 by Sinclair Davidson
    Turnbull did not raise taxes.
    Turnbull did not abandon 18c.

    Malcolm Turnbull, I believe, can deliver Liberal government to Australia in a way Tony Abbott cannot.

    Ok, a bit cruel, maybe time to put it into the forgettery….

    But it is the gift that keeps on giving.

  32. DM OF WA

    Afghanistan is a major failure for Trump as far as I am concerned:

    – Nearly 7,000 American lives and nearly 2,000,000,000,000 USD.

    – Been fighting for 16 years.

    – Still losing the war.

    – Opportunity cost to the USA incalculable.

    Yet Trump chose to break his campaign promise and instead doubled down!

  33. Mike of Marion

    Eddystone
    #2480392, posted on August 27, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    Eddystone, you have to give 100/100 to Sinc for stating that :Malcolm Turnbull, I believe, can deliver Liberal government to Australia in a way Tony Abbott cannot.

    Turnbull sure has!!

    Liberal Party are fucked front and centre.

  34. Pete of Perth

    The 2 minutes hate occurs frequently at my workplace. Usually at morning tea. When it happens, it is a cue for me to make a cup of tea and quietly relocate to another part of the building.

    Their disdain is also directed at the Head Honcho….. He has been found guilty of the original sin of not being a true believer of CAGW and is thus labelled as an idiot.

  35. PB

    The Nail is a parable for all men who have to work in Healthcare.

  36. Eddystone

    Mike of Marion
    #2480403, posted on August 27, 2017 at 12:54 pm

    That thought did cross my mind Mike.

    In fact, Turnbull has exceeded my expectations. I thought he would be a disaster, but not this big a one.

  37. Anita

    Trump has never been given an opportunity to achieve. The MSM and the Democrats have been waging war on him since he was elected. The Russians are coming is running out of steam. Now it is Charlottesville even when he spoke the truth that both sides are to blame. Next it will be that Trump failed to stop hurricane Harvey from coming to Texas.

  38. Anita

    Sorry, next it will be Trump has failed to use his presidential position to stop Hurricane Harvey from destruction. The Leftists are pathetic in their sentiments.

  39. True Aussie

    More proof that women should get never have gotten the vote.

    Reading between the lines it seems your lady friend gets her panties wet imaginging Donald Trump ravishing her.

  40. Gorky

    You should have told her the story of Seth Rich with a twist eg he was a junior staffer of Trump who is suspected of leaking details about Russia’s involvement in the elections. It wouldn’t be so tin-foil-hat stuff in such a case.

  41. benaud

    You – she said to me – think like that because you are a male. You cannot understand things from the perspective of a woman.

    So she’s a sexist bigot?

    Because thats what the statement is. People have unique opinions because they are unique not because they are men or woman.

    Also men are at several times the risk of woman in being assualted at night. It is simply a fantasy for woman to be more concerned for their safety than woman.

  42. incoherent rambler

    Malcolm Turnbull, I believe, can deliver Liberal government to Australia in a way Tony Abbott cannot.

    Ouch.

    Never mind Trumble is good for another week (or so).
    Who knows what will happen.

  43. chrisl

    Instead of Trump’s 59 achievements perhaps somebody (I nominate Eddystone) could list Obama’s achievements in eight years.
    I thought he was a great president until his tele prompter broke down.

  44. The Pugilist

    I’m curious as to why withdrawing from the TPP is seen as an achievement?

  45. Eddystone

    C.L.
    #2480447, posted on August 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm

    And probably they wanted to put Martin Luther King in gaol too.

    Probably? They did put him in jail – several times.

    Ok, Captain pedantic!

  46. M0nty accuses Steve of being narrow minded. Steve presents at heterodox economics conferences…

    And I think another poster having a go at our good Professor Davidson’s support of Lord Wentworth was unfair; from the evidence before me the good Lord’s communication skills far exceeded Mr Abbott’s, but unfortunately he rarely uses them.

    But the saying is very true; the Liberals know what needs to be done but know they’ll be voted out if they do it.

  47. mh

    Instead of Trump’s 59 achievements perhaps somebody (I nominate Eddystone) could list Obama’s achievements in eight years.

    When Steve Price was filling in for the Alan Jones Breakfast show during January this year, he linked up with his Leftist mate Richard Arnold to do the US reports. At the time of the inauguration, Richard Arnold went into bat for Obama listing his greatest five achievements. One of these achievements was the reduction of US troops in the Middle East. A caller to the show asked Price why he got a Democrat to review a Democrat President, and Price said “The Middle East is a smoking ruin”. Exactly right, except Price wouldn’t say this to his correspondent. The Middle East was not a smoking ruin when Bush left office. Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize days into his presidency, then for the next 8 years caused one disaster after another. Libya, anyone? There was even a black genocide in Libya. Nice one, Barry.

  48. HGS

    “I’m curious as to why withdrawing from the TPP is seen as an achievement?”

    Because it was a rotten anti free trade treaty.

    Re Trump and reducing tax and UN funding and also repealling health care! Is not all this Congress, not White House remit?

  49. Haidee

    One of my girls wishes Steve K had been her economics lecturer; she shares his views on Trump and
    again and again comes up against people who seem to know Trump, only through FakeNews.
    She’s forced to tread carefully.
    Entirely different for me . . I wear my pink & white WomenforTrump cap, wherever, whenever

  50. egg_

    So we are left with a view of Trump being a crass pussy-grabbing philistine

    Trump’s sin was that he highlighted the truth that many a woman’s elastic is weakened by power and money.

    Like Lisa Wilkinson’s moist gusset for Mike Trumble on Q&A?

  51. Andrew

    If she is more concerned about her own physical well being that she is about some tinpot dictator who are we to say that she is wrong?

    Whose policies are statistically more likely to see an urban woman of rapeable age raped over the next 10 years, if implemented for 1 term?

    A) Illary
    B) Trump666

  52. max

    My idea of a great president is one who acts in accordance with his oath of office to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Not since the presidency of Grover Cleveland has any president achieved greatness by this standard. Worse, the most admired have been those who failed most miserably.

    mises.org/library/no-more-great-presidents-0

    a president who does nothing is a treasure. William Henry Harrison, for example, was a model national leader. Rare in a president, he did what he promised to do. He told voters that he would “under no circumstances” serve more than a single term. He made good on his promise in the most conclusive way. The poor man caught pneumonia giving his inaugural address. He was dead within 31 days of taking the oath of office.
    James A. Garfield was another great. He took office in March of 1881. The man was a marvel who could write Latin with one hand and Greek with the other — at the same time. He was shot in July and died three months later. “He didn’t have time to accomplish his plans,” say the standard histories. Thank God.
    Millard Fillmore was one of America’s greatest presidents. He did little — other than trying to preserve peace in the period leading up to the War Between the States.

    lewrockwell.com/2005/03/bill-bonner/garfield-harding-arthur/

    Abraham Lincoln (Republican)
    Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)
    Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Democrat)
    Lyndon Baines Johnson (Democrat)
    George W. Bush (Republican)
    Barack Obama (Democrat)
    William Jefferson Blythe Clinton (Democrat)
    George Herbert Walker Bush (Republican)
    Ulysses S. Grant (Republican)
    Richard Nixon (Republican)

    lewrockwell.com/2016/09/chuck-baldwin/10-worst-us-presidents/

    Woodrow Wilson was our worst president.  He did many of the things that Lincoln did to destroy life, liberty and property but did them on a grander scale, with less excuse and with more lasting consequences.  It is true that Lincoln laid the groundwork for the modern monstrosity we suffer under now, however, it is also true that federal spending sharply declined after his war and remained modest until the Wilson administration.  It was Wilson, not Lincoln, who birthed the permanent federal leviathan of today.

    lewrockwell.com/2015/11/james-ostrowski/worst-president/

  53. Haidee

    Bigger issues aren’t particularly interesting?
    They ought to be.
    If not, she could well be a shallow little sook.
    The real test for these girls is when the rich and powerful man beckons . . out the window goes Uppity,
    more often than not.

    And men, who disapprove of the wicked things Donald Trump said, are sanctimonious betas

  54. Helen

    Her breach of friendship? She knew your opinions, but she was prepared to talk with you, and trusted your friendship enough that she felt she could express a different opinion. Yet you are so annoyed that she did this, that you wrote a blog publicly calling her stupid? Just who betrayed this ‘friendship’?
    I am very glad that you are not my friend!

  55. A Lurker

    The fact that she cares not for preserving Western Civilization is instructive.

    Steve, you should have told her that if not for Western Civilization there would be:

    a. No ballet.
    b. No opera house or theatre.
    c. No classical music.

    Truly we live in the Age of Stupid.

    p.s. You really do need to find new friends.

  56. Malcolm

    I can’t believe that people think Trump has done anything. Geeze, he appointed a supreme court justice. Whoopy doo. There have been 112 appointments to the Supreme Court so that’s hardly a big issue. And before you all go off about how wonderful Gorsuch is, let’s leave that judgement to when he has finally retired. Let’s not forget that Earl Warren was considered a fantastic conservative jurist when appointed by Eisenhower and he became the most left liberal chief justice in US history.

    Trump is a nutter and the woman Kates mentioned is right on the money. Anyone who still supports Trump should be certified.

  57. Malcolm

    Helen is right too Dr Kates: stop calling people idiots for not liking Trump.

    And by the way Trump is far far worse than Bill Clinton. Clinton was a charmer Trump is just a psychopath.

  58. Robert Mc

    I am of the same view as Helen.

  59. Haidee

    No. It’s no longer the case that you have to .feel. you can express a different opinion.
    No need to be shy; not re Donald Trump. No one needs to be timid, if they hate Trump.

    This woman will have the confidence to express that particular opinion – because it prevails everywhere.
    Would there be a white-collar workplace in the nation where her opinion does not reign supreme?
    And similarly in extended families (though more evenly divided)

  60. mh

    And we chatted as we always do as I searched around for the milk, and in the midst of it all she asked me how I thought Donald Trump was going as president.

    Steve, c’mon. When a woman is having a night out at the ballet, and THEY ask you your opinion on how Trump is going, alarm bells should be ringing. Loud and very clear.

  61. Stimpson J. Cat

    Steve.
    Let us be honest.
    The problem begins with:

    “Went to the ballet….”

    It was only ever going to go downhill from this point.

  62. Frank

    “Went to the ballet….”

    It was only ever going to go downhill from this point.

    Better than watching the fat lady give her jowls a workout at the opera. Ballerinas can be hot at least.

  63. alexnoaholdmate

    We can see how hard it is to deal with even a Republican congress? What are the list of things he still needs to do in your view?

    Is Trump’s argument at the mid-terms going to be:

    “Hey, I’d be a great President if my own party was onside. So don’t vote Republican. Vote for… uh…”

  64. Alexi the Conservative Russian

    Quote “The biggest thing to fear for the future is the continual indoctrination and dumbing down of schoolchildren and until that problem is solved there is no chance of any change.”

    Yes Jo you are dead right but that needs to occur in the home – problem, how many parents are up with all this – answer is some. So how do we help the parents deal with this? I don’t know the answer right this moment but it is the one that needs addressing. Perhaps schools should have to print their subject manifesto’s and provide arguments as to why they are as they are. But again, how many parents are going to get bothered.

    If I live another 25 years I’ll be very lucky but if I do it will be a very sorry period as we see the continued destruction of western civilisation. Enter Mad Max? That Pacific island is looking better every day.

  65. john

    When she grows up, she will be very embarrassed about what she said to you.

  66. Andrew

    Yet at the current rate he is going to turn up at the midterms with a great Supreme Court appointment and some secondary regulatory agency victories and little else to show for his time in office.

    And isn’t it working magnificently? T666 has done very little, and as a result unemployment is down bigly (despite participation actually rising again) and the Dow is up 4000 points. The deficit is down 20% just from NOT finding new ways to destroy the economy at public expense. Illegal immigration is down at least 50%, and as a result deportations are actually lower than they were under the Kenyan. While he has committed a few more troops to Afghanistan, that’s almost certainly in the context of an attempt to smash the opposition and GTFO. Undoubtedly, the smoking crater that used to be Syria before Crimton’s regime change ™ policy will be handed to Putin to clean up. So by the end of his (first?) term, the US will not be at war.

    Oh, and yes he appointed constitutionalist judges, and cut regulations – most importantly, in energy. No more Paris Accord. More pipelines. More drilling. Cheap energy throughout the first term. As opposed to Illary’s plan for $300 oil so that windmills could finally “compete” (sic).

  67. Helen

    ‘When she grows up she will be very embarrassed about what she said…’ At least she has the excuse of youth on her side.
    I am very much looking forward to the day when all the Trump apologists realise what they have supported. Not that I expect any of you to be embarrassed, I’m sure you’ll find an excuse. I’ll accept it – if you are currently a young person who hasn’t grown up yet.

  68. Confused Old Misfit

    Don’t mention “The Nail” to Helen. It triggers her.

  69. RobK

    Helen,
    …… Trump apologists realise what they have supported.
    I for one am only hoping Trump is able to demonstrate that prosperity goes in hand with personal self determination and responsibilities, along with minimal government. There were no other candidates to offer this glimmer of hope. Why do you think there should be any regrets, we are talking a struggle for freedom and prosperity. He is the only hope. Pray he has the strength.

  70. zyconoclast

    I’m curious as to why withdrawing from the TPP is seen as an achievement?

    Any move against any internationalist treaty or agreement must been seen as a good thing.

  71. Tom

    I am of the same view as Helen.

    Of course you are, Septimus.

    Now fuck off, you worthless, time-wasting troll.

    … after six years+ of contributing ZERO to this website.

  72. bobby b

    Yet at the current rate he is going to turn up at the midterms with a great Supreme Court appointment and some secondary regulatory agency victories and little else to show for his time in office.”

    If he comes up with another USSC appointment, I will count him as one of the greatest presidents we’ve had!

    In our current system, the USSC is far more critical for the preservation of conservatism than is any bill or initiative the president could accomplish.

    As his second-most important accomplishment, all of the means for wrecking our system that Hillary would have enacted have not been enacted. Even with a supposedly Republican Congress, she would have had her way as our Rinos rolled over for her in fear.

    Life is good. Trump in 2020!

  73. Rabz

    4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
    10. Keystone pipeline approved
    15. Median household income at a 7 year high
    16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
    32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007
    49. Denied FBI a new building
    52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
    54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years
    59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues

    Magnificent. Stupid Ozzie collectivists (BIRM) should be particularly grateful for 16 above – if the US stock market is booming, so does ours here. Why do they need to grateful for it? Because they own lots of stocks, like all good fat stupid middle aged marxists do.

    The only thing I’m annoyed with Fatty about is that he hasn’t implemented any significant tax cuts.

  74. Tom

    I am very much looking forward to the day when all the Trump apologists realise what they have supported.

    Unlike you who, being a lefty, will never apologise for the destruction you have wrought.

    In the century since they were given the vote, parasitical Western females as a species have done nothing but destroy the structure, ingenuity and wealth of Western civilisation that has been gifted to them by clever white men. Females have contributed virtually zero except bearing children, which the lazy frightbattery now considers too much of a burden. Good luck dealing with the savages of Islam.

  75. Chris Langan-Fox

    Not much evidence of a high IQ there.

  76. GerardO

    Steve, anyone who reads your posts here can see that you are severely mentally retarded, and thus nobody expects you to ‘see the light’ in regards to Trump. If Trump took a huge shit on the White House lawn, you would describe it as a “bold, brilliant move” that would “trigger lefty snowflakes”.

  77. Andrew

    William Henry Harrison, for example, was a model national leader. Rare in a president, he did what he promised to do. He told voters that he would “under no circumstances” serve more than a single term. He made good on his promise in the most conclusive way. The poor man caught pneumonia giving his inaugural address. He was dead within 31 days of taking the oath of office.

    That’s #FakeNews. He didn’t get sick until 3 weeks after the inauguration – and the modern day hypothesis is that he actually died of typhoid caused by the WH water being downstream from the shithouse.

    Not sure he would have been quite the model leader had he survived a term though.

  78. RobK

    GerardO,
    . ” If Trump took a huge shit on the White House lawn……”
    Seems he needn’t even do that to trigger them. It’s not unlike watching a cat play with a mouse.

  79. Jannie

    If half of the awful things said about Trump were true he would have destroyed the planet in the first week of his presidency. Instead the world is safe for anti Trump derangement which has become a soap opera with increasingly hysterical plotlines. Most of the people afflicted with TDS appear to be women, and its becoming tedious avoiding conflict in social settings. I am supposed to shut up and listen or be deemed a racist sexist homophobe. Maybe it would have been better if Clinton won.

  80. Tom

    GeraldO, your trolling is more low-energy than Jeb!’s entire 2016 campaign in the primaries. I suggest you spend the spring trying to grow an intellect. Like Antifa, you have no arguments and seem hopeful that rational adults will just shut up if you bully them enough.

  81. RobK

    Janine,
    No, it wouldn’t have been….by a long way.

  82. Eddystone

    Most of the people afflicted with TDS appear to be women, and its becoming tedious avoiding conflict in social settings. I am supposed to shut up and listen or be deemed a racist sexist homophobe.

    No, you’re not supposed to shut up and listen or be deemed a racist sexist homophobe.

    They’re just following the herd.

    Stand up for what’s right, FFS.

  83. RobK

    Jannie,
    My apologies for mis-spelling your name….auto correct snuck that in.

  84. Jannie

    Well as it happens Eddystone, I am deemed a racist sexist homophobe, because I can’t shut up. That’s why its become tedious.

  85. The Pugilist

    Any move against any internationalist treaty or agreement must been seen as a good thing.

    Remind me how ceding global leadership around trade and investment to the EU and/or China is positive???

  86. Eddystone

    Good on you Jannie.

    I find myself put in the same category too.

  87. candy

    Anyone who still supports Trump should be certified.

    I had a nice lunch recently with close family members (in-law) and mentioned after lots of
    nice chatting and stuff, that I thought Trump should be simply given a chance without
    the media abuse, that he meant the best for America. There was a “cold” silence for a bit
    and I reckon they were thinking “is she really like that?” or similar. We got over it.We are chums
    after many years. I said nothing about Mrs Clinton just in case they liked her, I would not want to offend.

    Conservatives must not speak of their inclinations. It is not worth it and can lead to trouble
    in the workplace, with family and chums

    Simply keep silent.

  88. duncanm

    I’m guessing she’s just spent a couple of years at University and has gone full retard.

    Give her another ten or so – she’ll come back.

  89. Confused Old Misfit

    Candy,

    I trust you were being facetious?

  90. struth

    How many more nothing stories about Trump have to occur before the TDS sufferers have the mental capacity to realise that you are all dribbling shit and he is going nowhere.
    We’ll have eight years of Trump.
    And a great thing for the world it is.

    Suffer in ya jocks.

    Steve,…………the ballet?
    What did you expect?
    How Intelligent are you?

  91. candy

    I trust you were being facetious?

    No, not at all, Confused Old Misfit.

    If you want to get on peacefully as a conservative, unless you are with simpatico people, don’t talk about your views.

    Steve was asking for trouble engaging with the young lady about Trump. You just don’t go there, it is fruitless and causes a bit of angst.

  92. Confused Old Misfit

    Well Candy,
    Good luck to you. Perhaps you will be the last to be eaten by the crocodile. I hope you go peacefully, secure in the righteousness of your virtuous stance.

    For myself, I am more inclined to not “go gentle into that good night”. In my advanced state of antiquity I, like Dylan Thomas, believe that: ” Old age should burn and rave at close of day;” and I shal “Rage, rage against the dying of the light!”

    Why should the bad behaviour of the progressive be rewarded with silence when the conservative is shouted down? If you think conservative values are in fact of any value at all are they not worth defending?
    What advantage, other than to give you a warm and fuzzy feeling, to you think to gain by admonishing conservatives to be submissive?
    Your policy is the policy that resulted in the slaughter of six million innocents in Europe between 1939 and 1945. I do not consider a conservative that will not defend their principles against vigorous opposition to be a conservative at all. They are nothing but pusillanimous milquetoasts.

  93. Cassie of Sydney

    Whilst I am quite happy talking to friends (and yes, some of them are lefties) about Trump and I also have no problems telling people that I support Trump, these people usually know that I am very right wing. What really annoys me is like what happened to me a few months ago when I went to a beautician for a manicure. I had seen her a few times and she gave me a very good manicure. Anyway, we are sitting there and she is buffing my nails and she told me, out of nowhere, that she had seen Donald Trump on television and that she was convinced that he was the new Hitler. I was utterly taken aback at the statement and also by the fact that she really thought she was being profoundly intelligent. Well, despite my rising fury, my pounding heart and the fact that I had to swallow very slowly, I responded to this unintelligent dribble by informing her that Donald Trump had a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren and had long supported Jewish causes so I doubt very much that he is anything like Hitler. I politely allowed her to finish my nails and I have not been back for any more manicures because my attitude is why should I give my hard earned money to an idiot. I can respect someone not liking Trump however to compare Trump to Hitler trivialises and diminishes the utter horror of Hitler and the Nazis.

  94. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Leftism is a sickness, a vile metastasising cancer inflicted on society.

  95. GerardO

    ‘TRUMP DIES JUST WEEKS INTO TEN-YEAR PRISON SENTENCE’
    Libtard Meltdown Over Donald’s Most Epic Troll Yet
    ‘Catallaxy Files’ Commenters In Awe Of Trump’s Genius Move

  96. Oh come on

    I’m not sure why you keep writing posts like this, Steve. The smartest people, by conventional measures, are very frequently the worst people you’d want designing the social structures that we must all live by. Very smart people know they are smart, and it’s not too much of a stretch from that realisation that they’d be far better off ruling the world than their intellectual lessers.

    I have no doubt that the Soviet leadership was far brighter than their US counterparts, for instance.

    The thing is, though, that being smart – really, really smart, like smart enough to get on Q&A and muse about the likelihood of death from a falling fridge-smart – is not nearly smart enough to provide the answers for a better world. To be that smart, you need to know what you don’t know. Up close and personal The smarter you are, the more specific your knowledge of what you don’t know will be.

    This is why the systematisers of the Soviet Union could never crack it. The pricing feedback mechanism that could make the craze of a fidget spinner feasible simply wouldn’t be possible when you have economic planners, so, so far detached from the sources of demand for such items and the means for their supply, arbitrarily setting prices on 3 million plus goods.

    No one should doubt the intelligence of such people, of course. But they are competing against a myriad of niches bringing goods and services to market that simply don’t require enormous intellects – they merely have to anticipate their customers’ or listen to them. Multiply this effect across the entire economy and the job’s done. No uber-genius knowing what others want before they even know it required.

    The market doesn’t require a great intellect to make it work. However, someone will inevitably be given the role of overseeing this process. For this job to be done well, the individual must require a great intellectual ability, deep knowledge of history, economics (from a psychological perspective, as economics is best understood fundamentally from a psychological perspective), and humility – and leave well enough alone.

    The fewer ‘smart’ people tinkering in the market, the better.

  97. GD

    Walking home at night safely without worrying about molestation is more important.

    What the hell has that got to do with Trump?

  98. Mark A

    Walking home at night safely without worrying about molestation is more important

    What does that got to do with Trump personally?
    Is she expecting him to prowl at nights for nubile females to grab them, or what?

    Unless the conversation went a bit different she is nuts.

  99. fhb

    In the century since they were given the vote, parasitical Western females as a species have done nothing but destroy the structure, ingenuity and wealth of Western civilisation that has been gifted to them by clever white men. Females have contributed virtually zero except bearing children, which the lazy frightbattery now considers too much of a burden. Good luck dealing with the savages of Islam.”

    Tom great comment. You probably would find this worth watching:

  100. fhb

    Couldn’t get the link right!

  101. Yohan

    In the US the general public is used to politically biased TV channels, some left, some right e.t.c

    In Australia we don’t have that. The public here are not used to outright media bias (except for the ABC in recent years). So when Channel 7, 9 & 10 all run a non-stop Trump hate fest, you end up with public opinion more negative on Trump in Australia than in America.

    Almost every lefty narrative and angle you find in the far left US media, like MSNBC, Huffpo and Salon, is presented as centrist news reporting on Australian TV. Australian ABC radio on Trump is like the 1984 ministry of truth, complete with the 2 minute hate. They are actually frightening the oldies.

  102. srr

    It must be good Mr Kates, as Twitter isn’t allowing it to be tweeted.

    Some many get it through, but it’s definitely being throttled.

  103. Mother Lode

    So, did this girl think he was referring to all women with his private conversation remark, or just the groupies – a species famous to stars forever. Women who knowingly enter into a quid pro quo with famous people where they get to share a lifestyle for a bit?

    The former would, you expect, to have manifested itself in all sorts of unseemly revelations. But, try though the Democrats did, pushing people making all manner of accusations, they could never back them up. Claiming secret Russian ties an easier sell to delegitimise him.

    And the latter seems an accurate reading of the nature of groupies.

  104. Up The Workers!

    I see that in headlines in the Melbourne Morning Murdoch this morning, the socially-upwardly-mobile electors of the Victorian Federal seat of Maribyrnong, are looking to possibly lift the seedy, undesirable reputation of the joint by electing Roberta Williams, the convicted former drug-trafficker and widow of the late convicted 4-time murderer, Carl Williams, as their next Parliamentary Member of the House of Representatives, rather than the sleazy, down-market accused child-molesting rapist they have got at the moment.

    Bloody snobs and crawlers!

  105. Up The Workers!

    The first paragraph on the front page of today’s Herald/Sun reads:

    “An unprecedented blitz on foreign-born criminals has seen more than 2,800 ordered to leave the country.”

    Unfortunately, they do not tell us how many of those are Liberal, National, Labor(sic) or Brown Movement Parliamentarians.

    The Australian LIARS Party has once again proven itself to be even LESS honest than the Brown Movement, who have so far “fessed-up” to having at least two foreigners larding their pockets with Parliamentary salaries which they are emphatically not entitled to.

    The Yanks evidently have both better taste and stricter laws than we do when it comes to who they let in and who they boot out, as they recently booted Victoriastan A.L.P. Parliamentarian, Khalil Eideh, out of the U.S.A. for lying about his multiple recent visits to Syria, whereas we unfortunately let him back into Australia once again to continue his vigorous draining of the long-suffering Victorian taxpayers’ purse.

    I wonder whether, on his recent under-cover Syrian trips that he lied about, the A.L.P.’s Khalil Eideh ran into his namesake, former C.F.M.E.U. knuckle-man and enforcer, Khalil Sharrouf? It is about a fortnight since U.S. forces last allegedly killed Sharrouf and his two sons (for the eighth or ninth time, at last count?) so he should be fit as a fiddle once again.

  106. JC

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2480337, posted on August 27, 2017 at 11:57 am

    1. Repeal ObamaCare.
    2. Cut taxes.
    3. Defund UN.

    There are two more, which I believe to be yugely significant.

    4. Reforming Dodd Frank

    5. Reforming or even doing away with Sarbanes Oxley.

    These are yugely important in making sure the growth arrow is pointing upwards

  107. Nerblnob

    Roberta Williams, the convicted former drug-trafficker and widow of the late convicted 4-time murderer, Carl Williams, as their next Parliamentary Member of the House of Representatives, rather than the sleazy, down-market accused child-molesting rapist they have got at the moment

    .

    Excellent. Bill outflanked from the Left. I hope she gets enough votes to make him denounce her policies which will totally confuse his voter base who thought that Bill was the guy for all this good stuff, except the red tape bit of course

    policies include prosperity tax, making education free, cutting red tape for doctors and nurses so patients are the focus, and asset protection to prevent the government privatising roads, public schools and parks,

    To me, she’ll always be the lyrical wit who said on tape that bumhole sex “hurts like buggery”.

  108. iampeter

    Don’t you care about North Korea, Islamic terrorism, open borders, our economic future and the preservation of Western Civilisation?

    But Steve, these were the exact reasons you and many others didn’t vote for Trump.

    He explicitly ran as an isolationist, anti-immigrant, anti-free market economics and therefore anti-western civilization presidential candidate. That’s what you and most of his supporters voted him in on. He is basically a Democrat, big government, leftist candidate from mid-20th century you’ve all lost your minds about.

    I understand supporting him because he is not Hillary, but the amount you’ve invested in him and pretending he is some great savior of western civ is just an exercise in kidding yourself.

  109. Indolent

    You seem to assume that everyone sees the world the same way you do, or if they don’t that they should. If she is more concerned about her own physical well being that she is about some tinpot dictator who are we to say that she is wrong?

    This doesn’t actually make sense. No one has ever accused Trump of lying in wait for women in the dark. What he was saying (and boasting about in private) was that he could (consensually) do pretty much what he wanted with women because of who and what he was. Not nice, but, many cases, probably true.

    Then there’s Muslim immigration. If you want to talk safety in the dark, just look at what happened to 2 tourists on the beach in Italy this Saturday. By stopping illegal immigration and deporting criminals Trump has probably done more to protect women in the dark than any president in recent history.

  110. Rossini

    JC
    #2480940, posted on August 28, 2017 at 8:18 am
    Re read the list as to….

    36. Reversed Dodd-Frank

  111. Marcus Classis

    Sorry, Candy, I cannot agree with the ‘just keep quiet’ idea.

    The way I routinely play this is to ask them where they get their information from Trump from.

    The standard answer is ‘ABC and SBS news’ or ‘MSM’. (I know they are lying at this point, as they never include ‘my entirely left-wing circle of friends’)

    Then I say ‘Well, you are forming a picture of the fellow based on sources that, from their own surveys, report only negative stories at a ratio of 98% negative to 2% positive or neutral. I know that you are not stupid, so tell me this, how accurate is your picture if it is based on only negative stories?’

    This is when the embarrassed silences and mumbling starts.

    Then I say ‘Right, so the silence and mumbling means that you realise that you’ve been taken in by people who are treating you like gullible fools. I know you guys, I know you are not gullible fools, maybe you should check out some of the side of the picture the MSM is simply not telling you. That’s what smart people do’.

    More embarrassed mumbling, and then someone always asks ‘what do you mean. other side?’

    Here’s where you have to be careful to mention only things that Trump has done which they will think good.

    From Rabz’s list

    4. Illegal immigration is now down 70%( the lowest in 17 years)
    10. Keystone pipeline approved
    15. Median household income at a 7 year high
    16. The Stock Market is at the highest ever in its history
    32. Unemployment lowest since May 2007
    49. Denied FBI a new building
    52. Dept of Treasury reports a $182 billion surplus for April 2017 (2nd largest in history)
    54. Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years
    59. Last, refused his Presidential pay check. Donated it to Veterans issues

    The ones in bold my friends think ‘good’ I change the ‘Veteran’s Issues’ to ‘Charity’ on item 59.

    This is a huge shiv to their worldview and reframes the whole issue from ‘Trump is a swine’ to ‘You have been conned by journalists lying to you’ – which enables them to blame someone else for their stupidity and gullibility.

    It’s a great way to blow a huge hole in their worldview and cause a crisis of cognitive dissonance.

    The ones that argue are easily demolished with the comment ‘OK, it’s fine to dislike the man, but you are now arguing that a man who has achieved a surplus/ stopped welfare fraud/ is donating his pay to charity (etc etc) is doing the wrong thing. I do not understand, van you please explain to me why you think that achieving a surplus/ stopping welfare fraud/ donating to charity [etc etc] is bad in your view?

    leftards only think emotionally. So use their own emotionalism against them. And use their own egotism against them too.

  112. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray

    Yes, but Hillary Clinton is not in jail. Shame, Trump, shame!!!

  113. tgs

    Apart from the SCOTUS appointment Trump has so far achieved nothing that won’t be able to be immediately unwound as soon as a dem gets in the WH.

    Pretty poor record given he has a R Congress. Here’s hoping he actually follows through on something over the rest of his term.

  114. Entropy

    Trump’s sin was that he highlighted the truth that many a woman’s elastic is weakened by power and money.

    A more erudite version of that would be:

    It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune, must be in want of a wife

  115. DM of WA

    tgs
    #2481140, posted on August 28, 2017 at 12:44 pm
    … Pretty poor record given he has a R Congress.

    How is the behaviour of the Republicans Trump’s fault? They are not “his” people.

    Their obstruction of Trump’s agenda only demonstrates the limitations of presidential
    power – not any particular failing of Trump. All he can do is persuade some of the existing
    members in the Congress that it is in their interest to get behind him if they want to keep
    their seats or he can support preselection of other candidates who will support him.

  116. Blind Freddie

    Defund the UN is the best idea you have had llSinclair.
    Rebadging money from charitable democracies is a bit naughty when unscupulous despots can pick up some of the credit is hardly fair.
    I”m with you, I hope.
    Those providing the cash for the UN deserve all the credit and not the middle mem.

  117. Haidee

    at 12.26pm
    Some balance:
    ‘I never met a rich man who didn’t believe that
    women loved him in spite of his money’ – Humphrey Bogart, ‘The Barefoot Contessa’

  118. struth

    If we had Trump as president of Australia. ……

    What situation would we now be in?

    Trump makes our whole parliament look like the lazy self obsessed lying traitorous bastards they are.
    He did more for America in his first week than our parliament would let us even dream about and wankers commenting here are knocking him.
    Like slapping away the nurse with the laxettes these fools would rather remain full of shit and in pain than support somebody doing good against all odds.
    Pathetic and weak.
    If it weren’t for Trump global socialism would be now a done deal.
    Wake up to the alternative.

  119. Steve, Steve, Steve.

    If you have a recalcitrant subject, you need to control the conversation.

    That means getting on the front foot and putting your subject on the defensive.

    You know her idea is not her own, so the first thing you must do is to break that down. Highlight to her that she has been manipulated, that they have taken advantage of her good nature and sense of right and wrong.

    Drive a wedge between her and her indoctrinators. Highlight that they do not hold her principles, then provide examples, such as “they would have denounced Clinton if they believed in women’s rights”.

    Then ask her if she knows who Alinsky was. Tell her that he championed the rights of the poor, but expressed the need to raise taxes because it increases poverty.

    They say what they say so that she can support them in their quest for power and riches.

    Trigger that cognitive dissonance. Drive a stake through the black heart of those that indoctrinate nice young people for personal gain. Drive that home, and drive it hard.

  120. Haidee

    No, you can’t control the conversation with female Trump-haters.
    Even if they listen, they’ll be thinking “oh this poor fool”.
    Try putting your point of view to a gaggle of schoolteachers.

  121. Solitarius

    Sinclair compares a “tin pot dictator” with “respect for women” and then uses this as political justification to implicitly accuse steve of unreasonably expecting others to think like him.

    Firstly, Trump may disrespect some women but he clearly respects others. This would suggest it is not a gender based issue at all. If it’s the case steve’s friend expects Trump (and steve by extension) to respect all women, then ipso facto every person on the planet deserves some level of imaginary threshold of respect. Which to my way of thinking really amounts to socialist utopia thinking. The proponents of these ideas are usually the first to not live up to their high moral standards from experience.

    Secondly, steve very reasonably raises several other existential issues that Sinclair quite right suggests may not matter politically to steve’s friend. Well may they not, but to suggest that steve is being unreasonable in asserting they are important, and the fact they are genuine existential issues serves to demonstrate the ideological feathers upon wich steve’s friend has made her bed.

    Why do we need to see society fall apart before people like steve’s firend decide what we had before wasn’t too bad afterall. The left’s mad headlong rush into “something different” in the guise of “progress” is really a desire for heirarchical agitation. It’s only when these people attain power that we see their morals are inferior to those whom they replace.

    All one can say is that steve’s friend is a small minded individual who is unlikely, despite her intellect, to challenge much of consequence in the world. She’s relegated herself to a cosy backwater of convenient, totalitarian circular logic.

  122. Mr Black

    I dated a girl for a little while who maxed out the standard IQ tests, 160+ was all they’d say. She was head-hunted out of university to manage some kind of trading fund with a big name house. Her mind worked with a speed and clarity that was difficult for me to follow and I am by no means a slouch. And yet… she believes in every nonsense conspiracy theory you’ve ever heard of. IQ is wonderful for processing information but GIGO still applies and for most young adults these days, all they have ever heard is some variation of cultural Marxism. They simply don’t know what the real world looks like.

  123. OneWorldGovernment

    The Pugilist
    #2480460, posted on August 27, 2017 at 1:35 pm

    I’m curious as to why withdrawing from the TPP is seen as an achievement?

    Because it was going to create a large international bureaucracy and be the very antithesis of free trade.

  124. Ragu

    Conservatives must not speak of their inclinations. It is not worth it and can lead to trouble
    in the workplace, with family and chums

    Simply keep silent.

    Stuff that. The most ridiculous argument I’ve had in recent times was showing my sister in-law a post by Mark Steyn that pointed out the link between Islamic Terrorism and immigration. Specifically in France and Europe. But she wouldn’t have a bar of it, relying on left tropes that the world needs to take in more refugees because they come from shit-holes and we have it so good. Her idea of succour was to bleed the tit dry.

    That isn’t a position that any sane person would take, because a sane person would ask, why are they living in shit-holes? Certain countries that the current bunch of maniacs come from haven’t risen up because of a failure of democracy, but because of the complete opposite.

    If you ever meet a person that believes in democratic totalitarianism, then you should give them a free history lessson, an absolute gobful and be done with them.

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