What’s next?

From Drudge and I assume everywhere else. The one thing no one will do is ask Hillary or Obama what they would do. And this is not an American problem, it is a problem for us all.

 

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52 Responses to What’s next?

  1. Up The Workers!

    North Korea’s Kim Joke Haircut may find that if the U.S.A, does finally act, a 50 megaton “Trumping” doesn’t leave much opportunity for ‘famous last words’, such as those allegedly uttered by the late and unlamented Mayor of Hiroshima.

    If the Crooked Clinton Crime Family or Obola or even Prime Quisling Halal Mal the Head-Loppers Pal’s Performing Stick Insect had anything to do with it though, the obnoxious fatboy would find himself the beneficiary of billions of dollars in taxpayer-funded aid.

    Just one admonition to the Trumpster: If you do decide to nuke the odious obese toad, just MAKE DAMNED CERTAIN you get his barber as well!

  2. RobK

    Take his barber out first and see how we go.

  3. Craig

    Gotta feel for the south Koreans on this. Directly in the line of the fallout

  4. Eyrie

    Following srr’s post on the open thread: It has been obvious for a long time (since 1950 actually) that NK is China’s bitch. China will not help as China is the real problem.

  5. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’d be a sweet bit of trolling if Trump put a motion to the UN Security Council inviting China to invade and conquer them with American assistance.

    Having North Korea as part of China would be the best for all, especially the poor Norks themselves (except for that Un person).

  6. Mother Lode

    The question as to what Obama or Hillary would do is contingent upon things ever getting anywhere near this far.

    They would have taken action to steer us clear of such straits.

    They would have spared no nation’s sovereignty, no taxpayers money, would suffer no loyalty to a traditional ally or block the ardour of any government agency slavering to rend a critic to pieces by abuse of statutory powers – Obama and Hills would have travelled to the ends of the Earth to appease the little shit in Pyongyang, and kick the problem down the road long enough for a later time and a later person to have to deal with.

  7. lotocoti

    Obama: Deliver a pallet load of cash to the DPRK.
    Hillary: Receive a pallet load of cash from the DPRK.

  8. Sparkx

    It would seem the Phat Phuc Un is thumping his chest in an attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of his people. He surely must realise that any attack on any foreign land would result in the huge arsenal of weapons trained on NK being launched. I doubt he would get much support from China.

  9. harry buttle

    give China one month to sort it out, if they can’t/won’t, then supply Japan and South Korea with 30 deliverable nuclear weapons each.
    Both get a deterrent force and China gets nuclear armed neighbours.

  10. duncanm

    Gotta feel for the south Koreans on this. Directly in the line of the fallout

    just make sure there’s a Southerly blowing.

  11. Up The Workers!

    It is said that a friend in need, is a friend indeed – especially when that friend owes you squillions of dollars in high-interest borrowed cash.

    The biggest thing in Australia’s favour in any shooting war with Kim Joke Haircut, is all the cash we owe the Chinese. We probably owe the Chinese more money than the mad North Korean abstract-haircut exponent does. They won’t allow him to blast their biggest debtor out of existence.

  12. New Chum

    Steve even with all this bad news on North Korea why has this confidence in Trump not been widely reported? from the American Thinker blog archives.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/08/did_trump_cause_the_improved_gdp_growth.html

  13. RobK

    More seriously, my guess is all this nuclear posturing will ultimately lead to nothing. The south China sea posturing is less certain and many nations seem to be tooling up for a barney.

  14. Bruce of Newcastle

    then supply Japan and South Korea with 30 deliverable nuclear weapons each.

    Japan already has roughly 50 tonnes of plutonium stockpiled. They’ve been pushing their satellite launch business for a long time. It’s pretty certain they’d have a deliverable ICBM in about a fortnight if required.

  15. Eyrie

    NK is the attack dog on a thin leash, that the owner threatens you with while denying any problem.
    I agree, give the Japs and SKs nukes.

  16. Eyrie

    Won’t do the Japs any good Bruce. Used reactor fuel is contaminated with Pu240 which poisons the fission in a bomb. Harder the separate from Pu 239 than U235 from U238. I don’t think anybody even tries this they just leave the fuel rods in for much shorter periods and separate the Pu239 chemically from the U235/U238 and other fission products.

  17. Myrddin Seren

    give the Japs and SKs nukes.

    If the plan is to provoke China in to pre-emptive action, then yes.

    It would be quicker to simply launch a full scale nuclear first strike on China and then conveniently drop a couple of warheads on the DPRK as a side line.

  18. Entropy

    Oh dear, Trump isn’t paying danegold.

  19. Eyrie

    FFS, China is going to risk everything because the SKs and Japan have a few nukes to stalemate NK with?
    A full scale first strike on China? What are you smoking?
    Just reveal that you gave the nukes to SK and Japan last month and will take them away if China brings NK back in line.

  20. Malcolm

    For fuck’s sake Kates – the reason we are confronted by this threat is because of Trump. Hillary or Barrack would have not got us so close to nuclear war. What are you smoking? You really are a nutter.

  21. Sinclair Davidson

    Why would anyone think to ask Hillary or Obama. They are private citizens. What is Trump going to do?

  22. Eyrie

    Bill, Hillary and Obama got us to this point.

  23. JC

    Why would anyone think to ask Hillary or Obama. They are private citizens. What is Trump going to do?

    Really good question.

  24. Arky

    Why would anyone think to ask Hillary or Obama. They are private citizens. What is Trump going to do?

    Because they were in charge of executive government and foreign policy while the North Koreans were developing their nuclear and missile programs and they would have been privy to every expert opinion, and decision made on the subject that whole time?

  25. Arky

    … And were paid.
    And should have their feet held to the fire for their negligence.

  26. billie

    What happened to the missile protection systems?

    Were they turned off or did they just not work?

    how very odd

  27. Myrddin Seren

    On the Open Forum, srr links to this one:

    President Trump Responds to DPRK Nuclear Test By Confronting DPRK Economic Enabler, China…

    Sounds pretty sensible to me.

    North Korea exists as a problem because of its proximity to China ( and Russia ).

    China has declared that the whole Korean peninsula sits within its sphere of national interest. And we know how close to the Japanese islands China has also been declaring its interest.

    Kim Jong Beer Pig knows that any missile or bomber attack on the North Korean strategic nuclear sites will light up radars and set defence postures at a high state of alert in China and Russia, as they track the inbound systems. That could quickly get out of hand ( see Cuba – 1962 )

    The Donald and his advisors probably do recognise China as a mercantilist state and squeezing China where it hurts, the pocket book, is the lowest cost option to get them to sort out their problem child.

    Let’s hope the analysis at CTH is well-founded.

  28. iain russell

    To follow up Eyrie, indeed Obama and HRC got us to this point, but no-one will remind the pundits of this. The ABC’s La Trioli and her pal had a female American talking head on this am, but the eight years of abject failure of the Big O and his buffoon Secs of State are/were never mentioned. It’s like it’s the Forbidden Zone – no one enters there.

  29. Sinclair Davidson

    No, I’m not buying that. The North Koreans have been working on nukes and missiles for decades.

  30. stackja

    Truman supposedly didn’t want a war with Stalin/Mao, so let Kim 1 rule of North Korea to continue.
    Democrats have not been held to account. Why?

  31. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2487750, posted on September 4, 2017 at 10:00 am
    No, I’m not buying that. The North Koreans have been working on nukes and missiles for decades.

    Supported by who? Democrats silent. Now UN follows the League path.

  32. Eyrie

    Well if the UN goes the way of the League of Nations the world will be a better place.

  33. stackja

    Eyrie
    #2487771, posted on September 4, 2017 at 10:16 am
    Well if the UN goes the way of the League of Nations the world will be a better place.

    Took a war to get rid of the League. UN supposedly was the solution to another war.

  34. RobK

    Surely NKs intentions are defensive rather than offensive. China may realistically wish to secure more of the south China sea to protect it’s interests, as it sees them.

  35. John Constantine

    Watching Gaddafi being raped with a machette up the jacksie showed to every dictator what happens to those that co-operate with the democratic system, and somebody is voted into power [ hussein obama/ hilary] that sees you as disposable now you are no threat.

    “We came, we saw, he died” boasted hilary, but that boast made every American diplomatic move to make dictators less dangerous worthless.

    Gaddafi would still be alive and farting through fine cotton if he had a hydrogen bomb.

    Here endeth the lesson, and all dictators that want to keep their arses in one piece have taken it to heart.

    “Hillary Clinton joked with a TV news reporter moments after she learned that Muammar Gaddafi had been killed in Libya. She told the reporter: ‘We came, we saw, he died’ as she learned of the dictator’s grisly end.”

  36. Arky

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2487750, posted on September 4, 2017 at 10:00 am
    No, I’m not buying that. The North Koreans have been working on nukes and missiles for decades.

    Waddaya wanna do?
    Dig Nixon, Carter and Reagan up and ask them?

  37. RobK

    China’s stated position is that NKs nukes are defensive and should NK attack it would not support them. Question is: is that credible? If not we have an issue with China , not NK so much.

  38. Fat Tony

    Sinclair Davidson
    #2487676, posted on September 4, 2017 at 8:54 am

    Why would anyone think to ask Hillary or Obama. They are private citizens. What is Trump going to do?

    More importantly Sinc, what is Mick Trumble going to do??

    Time for that Potential Greatness to shine on through…..

  39. RobK

    “what is Mick Trumble going to do??”
    After leasing Darwin port to to China, that’s anyone’s guess.

  40. Myrddin Seren

    China’s stated position is that NKs nukes are defensive and should NK attack it would not support them. Question is: is that credible? If not we have an issue with China , not NK so much.

    Bzzzt – winner.

    If the DPRK was a remote island in the central Pacific – it would have been cleaned up any time in the interim since the cease fire in 1953.

    It is a strategic bulwark for China, and even Russia. ( see map link above and note proximity of Vladivostok to the border. )

    It is a difficult and wilful asset, and a nuclearised DPRK kind of allows the Kim crime family some crazy-brave wriggle room with China too.

    The key here is China. I hope that CTH article about The Donald ratcheting up the economic pressure on China to contain the Kim problem is correct.

    Thinking about it some more, this Tweet from The Donald is very striking:

    The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.

    Everyone is going ‘China, China’

    What about other entities that are presumably engaged in ‘trade’ with the DPRK – mostly for developing missiles and warheads – such as nuclear Pakistan ( warned recently about their Afghan ambitions ) and wannabe nuclear power Iran ? Great way for Trump to sidestep the Obama Iran love-in deal and squeeze the Mullahs.

  41. Confused Old Misfit

    stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.

    Life will be interesting in Canada & Mexico.

  42. struth

    Starve them out.
    No trade with NK.

    How likely is it that the Chinese will do that?
    NVFL.

    The Chinese are playing games and the Donald knows it.

  43. mh

    Why would anyone think to ask Hillary or Obama. They are private citizens.

    I’m with Sinc on this one. That is a silly comment, Steve. Besides, we know what Obummer did for 8 years as President. Sweet Fuck All.

  44. Barry 1963

    Of the Axis of Evil 3, Iraq gave up its WMD, and now it’s a mess. Iran took on negotiations, and things are going smoothly. NK is isolated and it builds an arsenal. Negotiations seem to be the best option.

  45. It would seem the Phat Phuc Un is thumping his chest in an attempt to make himself look good in the eyes of his people. He surely must realise that any attack on any foreign land would result in the huge arsenal of weapons trained on NK being launched. I doubt he would get much support from China.

    I suspect that at the first sign of weakness, Fat Boy Kim is dog meat. That is the only explanation, as shutting up would ‘ve most effective strategy to avoid being flattened.

  46. Speedbox

    It is a strategic bulwark for China, and even Russia.

    Give that man a cigar! IMO China have only limited reason to haul in NK and if nothing else, look at how things are playing out.

    Strategically, NK’s location is an excellent buffer to the Chinese north (not unlike how the Russian’s view eastern Ukraine). As the weeks, months and years slide past, NK has been busily building up their nuclear capacity and ability to deliver those weapons. Within another year or so, NK will be completely untouchable as a fully fledged nuclear power with the capability to deliver globally.

    They know, with 100% certainty, that the USA will not launch a pre-emptive strike as the price to be paid by SK will be enormous. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will die in the first week. Plus, Fat Boy Kim will fire off whatever missiles remain at whomever is in range. Hello Japan, I’m looking at you.

    All the while, China is wringing its hands and saying all the right things……….. for no net effect. Trade continues, Chinese citizens and business continue their lives as usual, nothing changes. In a year or so, China says that they tried to do whatever they could but it is too late – if only the world had acted sooner.

    Perhaps if the sanctions were eased…….creating a humanitarian crisis…….friendship will speak louder than war talk……..NK has the weapons now but promises not to use them if………

    We have all seen this before. The time for blowing NK back to the stone age has long past and China now have a nuclear armed ally guarding their northern door.

  47. I suspect we are focusing way too much on Fat Fucks missile program.
    His bomb would probably fit in a suicide sub, and if it were detonated in Tokyo Bay, then 2-4 million casualties from a ground burst 10Mt fusion device would eventuate.
    You could add in another 2 million from fallout within the week from the cloud which would most likely sweep NE across Japan.
    The Domestic Fallout for Trump would be calamitous if he delayed retaliation by any more than an hour.

  48. stackja

    Winston – DT probably won’t wait for NK to do anything. What DT knows about NK may never be revealed.

  49. Neenee

    Waddaya wanna do?
    Dig Nixon, Carter and Reagan up and ask them?

    Who buried Carter?

  50. give the Japs and SKs nukes.

    If the plan is to provoke China in to pre-emptive action, then yes.

    It would be quicker to simply launch a full scale nuclear first strike on China and then conveniently drop a couple of warheads on the DPRK as a side line.

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, Myrrdin, being a Monday and all.

    Never go full retard, and nuclear is full retard.

    Unless you want your country laid to waste in a nuclear hell, never go nuclear.

    While the nuclear risk can never be mitigated, conventional attacks can only be met with conventional response. Unless you’re already facing certain death, there is absolutely no benefit in taking the nuclear option.

  51. Myrddin Seren

    Beery

    I was replying to:

    give the Japs and SKs nukes.

    The Japanese and South Koreans – to the best of my knowledge – haven’t asked for a small arsenal of tactical nukes to be dropped in their laps. I doubt they have the fail-safe infrastructure, hardened locations and trained personnel in place.

    The Japanese in particular seem very, very loathe to engage in military action ( they still feel the pain of 1945 acutely ), and I am pretty sure the SKs have no desire to initiate toasting their cousins to the North.

    The nuclear shield is the USA – same as it is for us.
    ( Let us pray that Turnbull and Bishop stop insulting DJT ).

    To position nukes IN THE HANDS of the Japanese and SKs would be seen by the Chinese ( and probably the Russians ) as a gross provocation in their area of national interest.

    We can agree to disagree on what China’s sphere of influence should be – but Beijing considers the entire Korean peninsula as their sphere of interest.

    The situation would be very similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis. In which the Soviet Union fortunately backed down.

    Unless it is intended to back down and withdraw any nukes from Japan and South Korea as the situation escalates to avoid a broader conflict – then what is the point of contemplating this course of action in the first place ?

    If the assumption is that nukes could be seconded to Japan and SK in this situation AND if China seeks to escalate AND that, unlike the USSR in Cuba, under no circumstances will the missiles be withdrawn until the DPRK and China back down – then you are probably looking at a speedy and massive escalation, unlike the bullet dodged in 1962.

    Hence why I in fact applaud the suggestion at Conservative Tree House that the US is going to use sanctions against recalcitrant nations aiding the DPRK. I suspect that would extend to Iran and possibly Pakistan. Hit ’em where it hurts – the foreign exchange reserves.

  52. Shy Ted

    Appeal to their cultured reason – Jonathan Green, ABC and various other taxpayer funded entities.

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