Putin warns of planetary catastrophe

My focus almost daily is on North Korea since there is a lot that can go wrong, with an attack on the Norks not the worst of the outcomes. You may be sure everyone who matters is wondering to what extent the US has become a paper tiger. There are plenty of others, from Iran to China, who will gauge things by what Trump ends up doing about a madman with nukes who is building ICBMs in hardened silos and threatening to blow up various American cities. This is Putin’s entry into the mix of views: North Korea nuclear crisis: Putin warns of planetary catastrophe. He definitely would like to see America’s foreign policy reach diminished (even with his best friend in the White House). So what does he say.

The Russian president, Vladimir Putin, has warned that the escalating North Korean crisis could cause a “planetary catastrophe” and huge loss of life, and described US proposals for further sanctions on Pyongyang as “useless”.

“Ramping up military hysteria in such conditions is senseless; it’s a dead end,” he told reporters in China. “It could lead to a global, planetary catastrophe and a huge loss of human life. There is no other way to solve the North Korean nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue.”

Peaceful dialogue, just like in The Ukraine. He also said this which is what I particularly liked:

“We all remember what happened with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. His children were killed, I think his grandson was shot, the whole country was destroyed and Saddam Hussein was hanged … We all know how this happened and people in North Korea remember well what happened in Iraq.

“They will eat grass but will not stop their [nuclear] programme as long as they do not feel safe.”

They are already eating grass because of the nuclear programme. The very idea that the people in North Korea have any say of any kind in what goes on is so ludicrous that they must have laughed themselves stupid when they put this statement out.

Meanwhile, North Korea has virtually disappeared from the news, no doubt because it is showing Donald Trump’s worth as a president who takes problems like this seriously. I wish I trusted his advisors as much.

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54 Responses to Putin warns of planetary catastrophe

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Peaceful dialogue, just like in The Ukraine.

    China taking over North Korea would be a peaceful outcome for all sides.

    Trump should put this to the UN Security Council. Putin surely wouldn’t veto such a proposal, seeing that he wants a peaceful outcome and is quite happy with the peaceful transfer of power in places like Crimea.

  2. marcus w

    Where is General Ripper when you need him ..

  3. JC

    Meanwhile, North Korea has virtually disappeared from the news, no doubt because it is showing Donald Trump’s worth as a president who takes problems like this seriously. I wish I trusted his advisors as much.

    Like really? The past weekend and the beginning of the week was all about NK gaining a thermo bomb.

  4. RobK

    They are already eating grass because of the nuclear programme. The very idea that the people in North Korea have any say of any kind in what goes on is so ludicrous that they must have laughed themselves stupid when they put this statement out.”
    They may already be eating grass but they are conditioned to be loyal upto now at least. It’s a pity the south is unable to win the north’s hearts and minds. I know they do try, but some form of subversion from within is probably more effective over all than a pre-emptive move. No doubt any agile plans in this vein won’t hit the media, as they shouldn’t.

  5. RobK

    Regardless, Trump has to stand fast. Putin understands that, he is just playing along. NK is not a problem to him really. Hopefully SK has some skillful agents.

  6. JC

    Huh

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  7. Warty

    I’m impressed by your ability to translate Korean, JC.

  8. RobK

    Peaceful dialogue,.
    When it’s Putin saying that you know it’s a euphemism.

  9. Bob of Brisbane

    There is some precedent for Kim Jong Un wanting to get some weapons of deterrence. He saw what happened to Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi when foreign powers wanted regime change – and their oil – and they couldn’t repel the invaders. And remember both North Korea and Afghanistan are flush with minerals. Both would have reason to nervous.

  10. Stimpson J. Cat

    Putin is in bed with the Norks.
    Just like the Chinese.
    Commies cannot be trusted.
    Ever.

  11. RobK

    Both would have reason to nervous.
    Sure, but why make grandiose threats.

  12. 2dogs

    North Korea is actually quite weak militarily – they have numbers, but really crappy equipment. Australia alone could take them out in a month.

    The problem is the Chinese and Russian response to any action taken against them.

  13. JC

    North Korea is actually quite weak militarily – they have numbers, but really crappy equipment. Australia alone could take them out in a month.

    Seoul would be turned into the devastated burbs of Damascus though. It’s not an easy problem to deal with.

  14. RobK

    Commies cannot be trusted.
    I think they can be trusted to act in their own interest.

  15. JC

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2490313, posted on September 6, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Putin is in bed with the Norks.
    Just like the Chinese.
    Commies cannot be trusted.
    Ever.

    Both have serious reason to worry. The ref problem could be very large for both countries – more so for China. The other major issue is potential nuke fallout if it comes to that.

    Lastly, you don’t want a major war occurring close to your border.

  16. Jannie

    Apart from the Koreas, China has the most to lose in this standoff by a long measure. It must make them a bit nervous watching the two gunfighters eyeballing each other, unable to influence the situation but still having to wear the consequences.

    Firstly major trade partners, notably the US, Japan and SK, will change from trade friendly to economic enemy, even military enemy. The Chinese may hold a trillion dollars in US bonds, but their value becomes questionable as the US would legitimately explore ways to repudiate that debt in case of war. The loss of Chinese cheap industrial trinkets would create opportunities for startups from Vietnam to Mexico.

    If NK is turned into a smoking ruin, the Chinese get 10 million starving brainwashed peasants knocking on their door. If SK is destroyed the west will inherit 10 million educated engineers and professionals.

    Of course the Left in Australia will oppose accepting refuges from SK, bloody Korean Balts.

  17. RobK

    I know the US and China have some very sophisticated swarm drone technologies, it’s always struck me as something the south Koreans would likely be very good at.

  18. Rabz

    If NK is turned into a smoking ruin, the Chinese get 10 million starving brainwashed peasants knocking on their door

    Not seeing a downside here.

  19. jupes

    And remember both North Korea and Afghanistan are flush with minerals. Both would have reason to nervous.

    You are a fuckwit Bob.

  20. Peter

    I am an avid reader of the Last Refuge, and he believes the Trump will use economic leverage with China
    and Russia to restrain NK. Not military action.

  21. one old bruce

    Ever checked out the Japanese ‘self defence’ forces?

    Pretty impressive:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Japan_Maritime_Self-Defense_Force_ships

    Good on them.

  22. RobK

    he believes the Trump will use economic leverage with China
    and Russia to restrain NK. Not military action.”

    I see that as happening already. If there’s anyone who can pull that off, it’s Trump. He is no fool when it comes to bargaining and he has a pretty good hand.

  23. lotocoti

    North Korea is actually quite weak militarily – they have numbers, but really crappy equipment.

    Tube artillery doesn’t need to be not crappy.
    A little HE to break a lot of windows with a lot of persistent nerve agents and Seoul would be uninhabitable.

  24. North Korea is actually quite weak militarily – they have numbers, but really crappy equipment. Australia alone could take them out in a month.

    What? With the Australian (Women’s and Transgender) Defiance Farce?

  25. RobK

    “What? With the Australian (Women’s and Transgender) Defiance Farce?

    Hence the month timeframe?

  26. John Constantine

    Infect a member of the nork united nations delegation with a genetically modified super flu virus, and have him ride the New York subway until he dies.

    Or fly domestically around the states.

    Or infect two suicide flu bombers and one flies and one subways.

    Everyone in the world eats grass equally, Comrades.

  27. Jannie

    Putin is signalling to fat Kim, not Trump.

    So far the insane threats have been a winning strategy for the Norks. They make threats of war and they get settled by negotiations (paid off in Danegeld) and there is no war. The Chinese probably understood those transactions from their own historical perspective, and got some schaudenfreude watching the West pay up.

    Now maybe the rules have changed, and the Fat Kim doesn’t know it. But China does know and so does Putin. The change in the rules is not just the result of Trump being tougher than his predecessors, its an inevitable development in the protection racket.

  28. RobK

    Jannie,
    I think that’s pretty right. The Japs, US and SK would be a formidable foe.

  29. Fisky

    I’ve been meaning to ask SRR for his opinion on North Korea. SRR get over here and explain your position clearly!

  30. egg_

    Peaceful dialogue, just like in The Ukraine… the peaceful transfer of power in places like Crimea.

    One can only respect Russia’s ‘iron fist’ approach to terrorists/confrontations in generla – Putin must be messing with Western heads on this one.

  31. Irreversible

    KJI desperately needs attention. His family has made excellent use of foreign commentary for three generations. Trump and to some extent Putin give him exactly what he wants.
    BTW: if any of you who favour a quick US bomb run, I’d suggest you say that from Seoul if you value cred.

  32. egg_

    The change in the rules is not just the result of Trump being tougher than his predecessors, its an inevitable development in the protection racket.

    +1

    They’ve made Li’l Kim blink.

  33. egg_

    BTW: if any of you who favour a quick US bomb run, I’d suggest you say that from Seoul if you value cred.

    Been there, and very close to the border, too, and you?

  34. Marcus Classis

    This ‘Seoul would be devastated’ schtick, it’s nonsense if only conventional artillery is used. 155mm is just not going to do much more than superficial damage. Seoul is enormous and extremely well built, it”s not all shitty fourth-rate cinderblock low-rises built by tenth-rate mohammedan retards like in Syria.

    The civil defence capability there is unbelievable (I’ve been there and looked and been briefed) and ROKA counterbattery capability is state of the art and they have a lot of it.

    Not saying it’s nothing to worry about or that casualties would be light, but look at the goddamn terrain, folks. I’ve walked a lot of it. If the DPRK wants to win a war they have only one approach, balls to the wall fangs out and hair on fire down the valley of the Han river to take Seoul. As the ROK’s been preparing defences there for half a century and has a corps sitting there at all times (plus a US division AKA the speed bump to make sure the USA’s in from the get-go), anyone think that the DPRK arty might have a few higher priorities than creating a major employment opportunity for glaziers in Seoul?

    Now, using VX would do a number on Seoul – and generate an instantaneous nuclear response which even the Chinese would ignore. Five minutes of VX on Seoul and Pyongyag gets turned into a glass carpark.

    Hmm. be Monty-level strategic calculation there, would it not?

  35. one old bruce

    Russia and China both have interests in projecting power right through the whole region , conflicting interests. They have been enemies more than allies, even when Stalin supported Mao the latter eventually saw he was being subjugated. (Pakistan helped China invade Tibet via the Karakorum highway, Russia ruled Afghanistan and then supports its ally India’s influence there, as now does the US).

    Meanwhile the threat by the US to sanction any nation who does business with the Norks has sent shockwaves thru China.

    Putin is messing with the Chinese, trying to make their head spin with ‘friendiness’, while also undermining US power.

  36. egg_

    Been there, and very close to the border, too,

    Seoul itself is not that far from the border – akin to Kim sh1tting in his own nest.

  37. Marcus

    North Korea is actually quite weak militarily – they have numbers, but really crappy equipment. Australia alone could take them out in a month.

    Maybe, but how many nukes could they launch in a month?

  38. Leo G

    Vladimir Putin is a planetary catastrophe.
    What he really signals is that there is no way to solve the Russian nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue- and even then with no obligation for Russia to be peaceful.

  39. max

    “Armchair warriors”

    By setting off a 100-kiloton bomb, after firing a missile over Japan, Kim Jong Un has gotten the world’s attention.
    What else does he want?
    Almost surely not war with America. For no matter what damage Kim could visit on U.S. troops and bases in South Korea, Okinawa and Guam, his country would be destroyed and the regime his grandfather built annihilated.
    “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting,” wrote Sun Tzu. Kim likely has something like this in mind.
    His nuclear and missile tests have already called the bluff of George W. Bush who, in his “axis of evil” speech, declared that the world’s worst regimes would not be allowed to acquire the world’s worst weapons.

    Arguably the world’s worst regime now has the world’s worst weapon, an H-bomb, with ICBMs to follow.

    What else does Kim want? He wants the U.S. to halt joint military maneuvers with the South, recognize his regime, tear up the security pact with Seoul, and get our forces off the peninsula.

    The world has changed dramatically since the 1950s. But U.S. policy failed to change commensurately.
    The basic question that needs addressing:
    Why do we still keep 28,000 troops in South Korea as a trip wire to bring us into a second Korean war from its first hours, a war that could bring nuclear strikes on our troops, bases, and, soon, our nation?

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/patrick-j-buchanan/us-out-of-korea-4/

    and what this wars do for american people:

Imperial Blowback

    What Country Is This? Forced Blood Draws, Cavity Searches and Colonoscopies
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/john-w-whitehead/neo-america/


  40. pete of perth

    I thought “carbon” was the bringer of the apocalypse… KimLongDong has thrown a spanner in big Al’s play pen.

  41. Jimf

    The poor old NK citizens are downtrodden and desolate now. The Kim-Jong family have done over millions of them over for 3 generations. Ironically, they’ve applied the “parents of , kids of” rule to lock away 3 generations of supposed dissidents in their camps for 50 years. This dynasty needs to be obliterated.Even if he wasn’t a dangerous international nutcase it would still be right to stop it.
    My point: when the time comes the US should not hesitate to go hard at the necessary targets.That this necessitates going first then so be it .There will be mass casualties for sure , but better to rip a band aid off quickly .
    In the scheme of things it’s a nasty option but the alternative is this prick and his minions keep killing people anyway and he continues to threaten western democracies.
    South Korea will lose some skin too..
    Make sure Putin and China know the US means it , and this action will happen within weeks as long as he is in the chair . No ifs, no buts.
    Give Russia and China a short window to fix it. They will then get rid of him within days ..

  42. GerardO

    It’s fairly normal for a State to use all means necessary to preserve itself. Gaddafi gave up his pursuit of nukes, and look how that turned out.

  43. Nathan

    You criticise Putin for the Ukraine situation Steve, yet you don’t think it worth mentioning the US’s involvement? What has that got to do with his comments on a peaceful dialogue anyway? You then take his comment of “people” as meaning everyday NK citizens, when it is pretty obvious he is talking about people in power.

    Try taking your US blinkers off, it will help avoid ad hominem arguments and non sequiturs.

    For a much better take on this situation: https://mishtalk.com/2017/09/04/kim-jong-un-begging-for-war-says-us-ambassador-to-un-whats-the-solution/

  44. Tel

    His nuclear and missile tests have already called the bluff of George W. Bush who, in his “axis of evil” speech, declared that the world’s worst regimes would not be allowed to acquire the world’s worst weapons.

    He didn’t call Bush’s bluff, the North Koreans are simply lucky that there isn’t any oil under their country.

    The “axis of evil” was for the purpose of making Americans compliant, which worked perfectly. How many of those Antifa goons or BLM morons spend their time thinking about what the USA military does? They spend their time worrying about whether capitalism gives them one TV or two TV’s and whether their free Obama-phone is the latest model or maybe they can only afford the cheaper sneakers not the $200 pair or worst of all someone said their trigger word and they needed to accuse some random passer by of white supremacy.

    So dumbed down they wouldn’t have the slightest clue about anything really happening in the world.

  45. Crossie

    Meanwhile the threat by the US to sanction any nation who does business with the Norks has sent shockwaves thru China.

    NK has always been China’s client state and therefore they are ultimately responsible for the current debacle. The Chinese must be shown the error of their ways by Trump announcing that the US is reviewing their mutual trade agreement.

    If the Chinese want to keep their economy they will have to sort out Kim by themselves.

  46. Crossie

    So dumbed down they wouldn’t have the slightest clue about anything really happening in the world.

    That’s what the media is for, to tell the idiots whom they should hate next.

  47. lotocoti

    Five minutes of VX on Seoul and Pyongyag gets turned into a glass carpark.

    First Use, even under those circumstances, would be political suicide – despite the oft stated policy regarding chemical weapons.

    If the Chinese want to keep their economy they will have to sort out Kim by themselves.

    The last of the Thirty-Six Stratagems loosely read: When no better option exists, walk away.

  48. Andrew

    Meanwhile the threat by the US to sanction any nation who does business with the Norks has sent shockwaves thru China.

    Obvious Trumpian ambit claim, starting by shock and awe. Banning business with the fucking Chineeeeeeeze is not a realistic possibility. After the squeals of outrage, it will be followed by a fairly aggressive threat (e.g. sanctioning specific COMPANIES doing business with DPRK) which will almost sound like the Chineeeeeeze have talked him down from an earlier position. But if he had started there, they would have denounced THAT as ridiculous. It’s obvious, but it is still over the heads of 97% of the meeja. (See for example threats to label China a currency manipulator, which was of course only the opening gambit for “well we won’t, if you fix DPRK for us.”)

  49. Andrew

    Stimpson J. Cat
    #2490313, posted on September 6, 2017 at 6:25 pm

    Putin is in bed with the Norks.
    Just like the Chinese.
    Commies cannot be trusted.
    Ever.

    Putin, entirely rationally, doesn’t want the US 100km from Vladivostok if DPRK falls and is occupied. DPRK is very useful for keeping everyone back a sensible distance. So yes, he wants DPRK intact. And no, he doesn’t want a gigantic war on his border 100km from his major strategic base. It’s not the easiest part of Russia to supply, all the way over there near to Sarah Palin’s house.

    Korean unification is completely impossible for China – they can never allow it. Everyone is stuck with DPRK. China needs to accept that it’s not in their interests to allow Kim to get out of control. There will be no solution, no disarmament, no first strike, no regime change, and nothing else. This will still be going on in 3 years.

  50. Roger

    There’s presently a Navy SEAL team training to assassinate Kim.

    Here’s hoping the US has done its homework and has a succession plan.

  51. mh

    “Ramping up military hysteria in such conditions is senseless; it’s a dead end,” he told reporters in China. “It could lead to a global, planetary catastrophe and a huge loss of human life. There is no other way to solve the North Korean nuclear issue, save that of peaceful dialogue.”

    Peaceful dialogue with Kimmy! Of course! Why didn’t anyone think of that before?

  52. Kneel

    “See for example threats to label China a currency manipulator, which was of course only the opening gambit for “well we won’t, if you fix DPRK for us.” ”

    This was ever Trump’s strategy – “Mexico will pay for the wall” –> “We’ll pay for it with import duties on Mexican products” = Mexico can say “we didn’t pay for it – phew”, while USA can say “they paid indirectly – phew”.
    Ditto DPRK. “play nice or we’ll push you back to the stone age” –> China/Russia gets KJU to pull his head in and actually “play nice”. China doesn’t want to do it? No problem – threaten to destroy several $billion in trade with the USA, default in debt etc, at the same time creating millions of US jobs… etc. “oh, better do it then – give us a week”.

    It’s simply starting at what everyone knows is ridiculous, then “bargaining” down to what you really want – you get what you want, they get to say that they stopped something even worse from happening, that they “influenced” you and limited your “stupidity” and “arrogance”. Trump is a master of that, mainly because he doesn’t care what people say about him, he only cares what the outcomes are.

  53. Clam Chowdah

    China taking over North Korea would be a peaceful outcome for all sides.

    Exactly.

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