Friday Forum: September 8, 2017

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650 Responses to Friday Forum: September 8, 2017

  1. calli

    It won’t just be Catholic priests. I can think of dozens of ministers who would choose the clink too.

  2. calli

    Page podium!

    *happy dance*

  3. OldOzzie

    Jay Weatheill’s SA energy plan hit by new delay

    The Weatherill government has further delayed a key plank of its $550 million energy plan.

    In a letter to stakeholders, the South Australian government has advised it will “defer the start date of the Energy Security Target to 2020”.

    This comes after the state Labor government had in June announced its EST would be deferred to January 1, 2018.

    The Energy Security Target was announced as part of the $550m “self-sufficient” energy plan in March to encourage energy security services in South Australia.

    It is designed to put downward pressure on power prices while improving system strength and security.

    In it latest revision, the government says a new start date of January 1, 2020 “allows retailers more time to consider the most efficient options for incorporating the EST requirements in their business, and investors a greater opportunity to work out how best to supply the market with a wider range of solutions”.

    Commissioning of new generation projects in South Australia will provide a more competitive environment and, coupled with more lead time for market participants, the costs of the scheme will be lower, improving the price outcomes for South Australian consumers while delivering improved security, the government says.

    Comment has been sought from SA Energy Minister Tom Koutsantonis.

    In recent days the Premier Jay Weatherill has blamed the lack of an emissions intensity scheme for the nation’s power woes.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    Money is what they want.
    Remember the students done over by the HRC.

  5. Makka

    “At a forum conducted by The Guardian last year, Opposition Leader Bill Shorten committed a future Labor government to repealing protections for religious freedom if they were contained in legislation to change the Marriage Act. “

    And the Stupid. Fucking.Liberals. helping the filth with putting a straightjacket on freedom of speech…..

    THE Government and opposition are set to draw up guidelines to keep the debate around same-sex marriage respectful. But the horse may already have bolted as campaigners on the extreme descend into the gutter.

  6. Fergus

    Q. Does polygamy transgress human rights?
    Then again, what is the definition of human rights? Since the Declaration of Human Rights, there seems to have been a whole load of add ons. Our Human Rights commission website doesn’t seem to know really what they are, so vague is their explanation.

  7. JC

    makka

    Please behave and stop the swearing.

  8. srr

    So, anything interesting happen today?

  9. srr

    David Vance‏Verified account @DVATW 2h2 hours ago

    I present my argument for the return of the death penalty.
    https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/906067662769401856

  10. Boambee John

    test pattern at 1829

    You are still (deliberately??) missing my point.

    The examples you give involve small groups of aborigines, in the dozens not the hundreds, fighting generally smaller groups of explorers and settlers. When the settlers or explorers win, you shout “genocide”. When the aborigines win, you boast of their warrior ethos.

    the Australian aborigines managed nothing on the scale of Islandlwana, where the Zulus killed some 1300 British and auxiliary troops in a day, or Rorke’s Drift where they besieged around 100, and came close to over running them.

    you don’t like the cold steel excalibur of truth up you, do you!

  11. srr

    Free Australian‏ @den2114

    Babysitter, 64, charged for sexually assaulting toddler

    https://twitter.com/den2114/status/906081972220334080

  12. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2492400, posted on September 8, 2017 at 7:34 pm

    Ask Sinc who I am.

    OWG – You should hide your WordPress profile immediately. I found out where you live and what uni you went to in about thirty seconds.

    Log in, go to “My Profile” then click “view profile” on the right hand side. Then click “Hide My Profile”.

    Thank you Bruce of Newcastle. Done.

    I will tell Sinclair to give you my email address and I will appreciate if you could tell me the information that you saw.

    In fact, a couple of weeks ago, in the height of the sock puppet controversies I received an email that I thought was so ‘suss’ that I reported it to Sinclair.

    I think I have said on here before that I attended RMIT back whenever. And in Sinclair and Steve K’s area. Used to do the night school stuff.

    Probably had more of a chat to Rafe Champion early in the piece.

    I actually don’t mind if people know whom I am just as long as no-one touches my family.

    Some other sites, not many, that I read I call myself by my true name.

    Hey JC, used to audit blokes in your game.

    I was a toe cutter, similar to what I read between the lines of Lizzie’s Hairy Irishman husband. Though he swings bigger than I ever did. LOL.

    It can be hard work to front up and put down arseholes that want to drag your country/business/organization down.

    Most folk on here give me faith that we will survive.

    And please, I have been against Club of Rome and Agenda 21 and the f*king UN and f*king John Howard and his gun laws and crony capitalism and f*king RET and ACCC and stinking Australian marxist nazi unions.

    We have to stop giving taxes because it is SLAVERY,

  13. JC

    USSR’s just clocked in at the Kremlin troll farm.

  14. egg_

    In a letter to stakeholders, the South Australian government has advised it will “defer the start date of the Energy Security Target to 2020”.

    The @rse fell out of Teh World’s Biggest Battery?
    Weatherdildo’s vibe’s on the blink?

  15. rickw;

    Yep, post war German, there were some odd tax arrangements in Britain an Europe around vehicle registration costs for cars vs motorbikes. Thus there was spawned a whole range of car-like vehicles that met the technical requirements to pay the much cheaper motorcycle registration. Plus the fact that most people were flat broke after the war.

    You may need to take into account that the Messerschmitt company suddenly didn’t have a market for its previous models like the 109, 262, and Komet.

  16. JC

    Hey USSR, honest question and there’s no reason to get upset and shit. Just calm down.

    Do you get paid by output directly like piecework, or is it like a salary where output (comments) are reviewed for quality and quantity by the head troll farmer? You can tell us, as you’re among pals here. You know that.

  17. Gab

    It won’t just be Catholic priests. I can think of dozens of ministers who would choose the clink too.

    Yes however the latter won’t be a target for the gaystapo.

  18. Atoms at 1913

    E coli in flour?

    There will always be a certain miniscule level of rodent excreta in flour.
    Think about it.

  19. JC

    Hey USSR,

    I bet the boss troll farmer’s first name is Alexei. Am I right?

  20. Myrddin Seren

    OWG

    ….I will appreciate if you could tell me the information that you saw.

    In fact, a couple of weeks ago, in the height of the sock puppet controversies I received an email that I thought was so ‘suss’ that I reported it to Sinclair.

    See my post at 16:13

    Attention Folks with Pictures on Your Gravatar.

    Click on your Gravatar, go to the profile and see what you can see !

    I was very curious when one luminary here recently said they had received a strange “catallaxyfiles’ email with an embedded link ( because I have a suspicious mind ).

    So I idly started clicking on Gravatars – and some people who may wish to protect their anonymity from malicious puppet people are putting too much info on the header.

    Stop. Click. Edit.

    A safety message.

    I am pretty sure you were one, but not the only one, of the Picture Gravatar people I was referring to.

    On opening the thing it would show http://en.gravatar.com/yourname

    As Bruce said, it becomes pretty easy to work out who Big Sock is trying to unmask.

    At least one other regular reported receiving a similar dodgy email, and I am pretty sure I have worked out why.

    People need to sanitise that bar at the top that shows a name, with just your blog handle, or lock it down altogether like Bruce suggested. Someone is up to no good and at least three of you that I could casually scroll are probably on his skin suit file.

  21. Tintarella di Luna

    What has happened overseas in countries where SSM is all the rage is very very scary. I suppose people will just buy farms, grow crops, raise their children as best they can unless the state comes and take them away because they must be indoctrinated into the joys of gender fluidity. I wonder if when the time will come when Newton’s third law takes on a social aspect? When acceptance becomes rabid intolerance once more, or worse?

  22. Snoopy

    Hey USSR, honest question and there’s no reason to get upset and shit. Just calm down.

    Relax. It would be a better use of your time if you gave Monty a well deserved touch up.

  23. JC

    Hey USSR..Yea I know, it’s the third time and your busy with the trolling job.

    Tell Alexei that we all love you and think your trolling is masterful. Tell him we think the output is incredibly copious and first rate. That’s what we think. In fact, show Alexei this comment at your next formal Troll Farm Review when the “farmer” (Alexei) next sets output rates.

    If you would like to do a troll review and have us vote and rate your work performance, get a page started and post it here. I think everyone would give you top marks. Don’t be bashful about this as it could help the review.

  24. Bruce of Newcastle

    OWG – Your WordPress account name used to be visible in the url bar until you hid it just now. A search then brought up your LinkedIn page. That’s all I meant.
    Fwiw old Cat-hand Dot made that mistake once too!

  25. Myrddin Seren

    Gab

    I imagine quite a few Catholic priests being sent to jail for refusing to “marry” gays.

    Not a Catholic myself, but what the late Cardinal Francis George of Chicago put out as a ‘thought exercise’

    What I said is not ‘prophetic’ but a way to force people to think outside of the usual categories that limit and sometimes poison both private and public discourse.”

    starts to look pretty visionary:

    “I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.”

  26. Arky

    gave Monty a well deserved touch up.

    ..
    Ewwwwwwww.

  27. Makka

    I suppose people will just buy farms, grow crops, raise their children as best they can unless the state comes and take them away because they must be indoctrinated into the joys of gender fluidity.

    Tinta, I suspect private education and homeschooling will flourish as it becomes clear what the Gaystapo have in store for public education propaganda.

  28. Gab

    Thanks for that reminder, Myrddin. He’ll be proven right, sadly.

  29. OneWorldGovernment

    When SSM legislation is introduced into the Australian ‘body politic’ and is law then I trust that serious Christian Churches, hey Catholics, will tear up any agreements they might have with the Australian marxist nazi State of Australia.

    And if anyone but anyone is FORCED to marry OR provide some shit to a SSM type fuckheads then Bruce from Newcastle knows where I come from and I can tell you my chosen Catholic confirmation name is Michael.

    And I’ve been to Bruce’s Church.

  30. OneWorldGovernment

    Myrddin Seren
    #2492451, posted on September 8, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    OWG

    thank you

  31. Oh come on

    Tinta, as CL and Dover note, advocating SSM is political suicide in 80% of the world (ie. the developing/undeveloped parts of the world). I don’t think this is a matter of the developed world becoming enlightened sooner and the rest of the world catching up with the SSM craze shortly. No, I think acceptance of SSM is one aspect of a broader sense of cultural self-indulgence that has gripped the developed world which will ruin us and possibly even presage our downfall.

    Future historians will study the degeneration of modern secular morality for the same reasons we analyse the causes of the fall of the Roman empire.

  32. Boambee John

    OWG

    My understanding is that the Presbyterian church will tell all its ministers to hand in their authority to conduct marriages under the Marriage Act if it is amended to include SSM.

    “Please marry us.”

    “Sorry, I am not an approved marriage celebrant. I recommend you approach a civil celebrant.”

  33. Boambee John

    Christian churches will then be able to offer blessings on unions formalised under the Act, or simply to those who wish their union to be blessed without any civil ceremony.

    But they will not be able to perform marriages under the Act.

  34. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Scene, my local bottle shop, not so long ago

    Characters – one screeching swampette, one middle aged self funded retiree.

    Said swampette, complaining loudly about the possible introduction of random drug testing for the unemployed.

    Self funded retiree suggested, ever so politely, that, if she didn’t like the idea, she could try working for a living and “Allow me to point out that you are, in fact, standing next to a sign that says “Staff Wanted.”

    Correction! “I wouldn’t work in a demeaning job like this, the social wage is my right, and how I spend my money is my business!”

  35. Oh come on

    I’m still very keen to hear the positions that prominent leaders of high profile religious and ethnic minority groups take on SSM.

    Did the Ayers Rock chinwag come to some sort of agreement about SSM? What do other well-known Indigenous elders think?

    Has anyone asked a Rohingya Muslim what they think of SSM? A Palestinian?

  36. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    In recent days the Premier Jay Weatherill has blamed the lack of an emissions intensity scheme for the nation’s power woes.

    Nocturnal?

  37. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    7300000

    fuck thats 730000. fucking fuck knuckles

  38. egg_

    Paul Bongiorno: You know what…I think that there are 28,700 US military personnel on the southern side of the DMZ and this gives real flesh, if you like, to the paranoia of Kim Jong-un and the North Koreans.

    Ellen Fanning: Well, what’s the alternative to that?

    Paul Bongiorno: Well I’ll tell you what the alternative is – paying the extortion that he wants.

    From MWD.
    Bonge, 72 yo senior in j’ism and strategy.

  39. OneWorldGovernment

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2492455, posted on September 8, 2017 at 8:38 pm

    OWG – Your WordPress account name used to be visible in the url bar until you hid it just now. A search then brought up your LinkedIn page. That’s all I meant.
    Fwiw old Cat-hand Dot made that mistake once too!

    LOL-Dot.

    Not sure where my profile says I live but I’ll put it out there because there is only one place that expats come to here, and everybody knows me and I think (?) they will give me the nod if you ask for me and I’ll come down and greet you.

    I actually told Riccardo B to tell some blokes he knows to come over here if they just want to ‘chill’ out.

    Some folk do not understand that real evil exists.

  40. Oh come on

    Detainees on Manus and Nauru? Are they down with SSM?

  41. C.L.

    I demand Manus and Nauru detainees are given the right to vote in the plebiscite!

  42. OneWorldGovernment

    Boambee John
    #2492463, posted on September 8, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    OWG

    My understanding is that the Presbyterian church will tell all its ministers to hand in their authority to conduct marriages under the Marriage Act if it is amended to include SSM.

    “Please marry us.”

    “Sorry, I am not an approved marriage celebrant. I recommend you approach a civil celebrant.”

    Good.

  43. OneWorldGovernment

    Boambee John
    #2492468, posted on September 8, 2017 at 8:56 pm

    Christian churches will then be able to offer blessings on unions formalised under the Act, or simply to those who wish their union to be blessed without any civil ceremony.

    But they will not be able to perform marriages under the Act.

    Exactly.

    Thank you for telling me that.

  44. notafan

    What about those who consider marriage a sacrament?

    They may refuse to fill in the government paperwork but they will still be doing marriage.

  45. Fergus

    Isn’t that the way marriage is performed in Holland. A civil ceremony and then can have the religious ceremony?

  46. Delta A

    I demand Manus and Nauru detainees are given the right to vote in the plebiscite!

    That’s one refugee right that Julian Burnside – a rabid yes supporter – won’t be advocating.

  47. sdfc

    I don’t think the Commonwealth has the power to direct priests to marry gays.

  48. Frank

    Al Jourgensen making drugs look like a good idea.

  49. Delta A

    Julian Burnside on Twitter:

    Now: Vote Yes for #MarriageEquality The hard right will do what they can to defeat it. Don’t let bigotry win.

  50. rickw

    My understanding is that the Presbyterian church will tell all its ministers to hand in their authority to conduct marriages under the Marriage Act if it is amended to include SSM.

    Presbyterians are just about the only branch of Christianity left worth their salt.

    (How weird, auto tard on I phone recognises the various terms for islam and always tries to capitalise the I, Christianity doesn’t result in any suggestion beyond Christine)

  51. Geriatric Mayfly

    In days when I was much more impressionable, I used recoil from one horror that is let loose by a Mexican earthquake, namely: big black scorpions. As their hidey holes are demolished, out they come and in high dungeon. Probably lose more sleep tonight over the likelihood of a YES vote in the plebiscite than marauding arachnids.

  52. stackja

    Jack Foley and the Art of Sound

    By Daphne Wolf, Contributor
    February / March 2012

    Jack Donovan Foley, the American grandson of Irish immigrants, invented “foley art,” a sound-effects technique still used in films today – so subtle and perfect that viewers don’t notice anything has been added.

  53. Gab

    I don’t think the Commonwealth has the power to direct priests to marry gays.

    If they refuse, they’ll be penalized for committing discrimination. Your mate Shorten has made it very clear that exemptions will not be allowed.

  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    and a Yangtse cruise,
    Please remember Calli, when everyone rushes to one side of the boat, move smartly to the other. You’ll come out on top.

    Out beyond the reef whale watching in a flat-bottomed boat holding about twenty people, the man in charge made everyone sit so that the weight was equally distributed either side and we were not allowed to move to the other side to see the whale on pain of being tossed overboard. You could see him mentally sizing up the fatties and thinies so that they equalized out. Sensibly, he asked that the people whale-side stayed sitting and permitted those on non-whale side to stand, so that all could see. As the whales moved around a bit this led to a bobbing down and standing up show that was quite entertaining in itself.

    He told us this technique was essential because on similar trips elsewhere in the world sightseers had been killed when their boat tipped over in shark infested waters as everyone rushed to the view side all at once.

    I’m off to bed, exhausted tonight. Sweet dreams.
    Hey, I had a funny dream a couple of nights ago. Don’t usually go in for telling dreams as they are boring to others and can even be faintly embarrassing. Had to share this one with Hairy. I dreamed I had lunch with Rupert Murdoch. He turned out to be a nice old guy, good for a chat. Hairy said I must be spending too much time wit’ old guys on da Cat to have such a dream. OK I said. Next night I had rather a good dream about our African-American friend from Denver, the one we met on the cruise. Ex-military, very witty and no nonsense guy, built big and strong. We didn’t have lunch. 🙂

  55. Fergus

    There was a book written about Nauru detention.Indicated male rape and sex was common. Sex criminals, regardless of the status of their victims, should be fed to the sharks.

  56. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    Se-fucking-puku now!

    Germany is on course to spectacularly miss its 2020 climate target,
    according to a new study by think thank Agora Energiewende.
    Germany has committed to reducing its greenhouse gas emissions by 40 percent by 2020 compared to 1990 levels. But Agora calculates that without drastic new measures, the country well be looking at a reduction of just 30 and 31 percent.

  57. cohenite

    Gab

    #2492497, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:18 pm

    I don’t think the Commonwealth has the power to direct priests to marry gays.

    If they refuse, they’ll be penalized for committing discrimination. Your mate Shorten has made it very clear that exemptions will not be allowed.

    That would make for an interesting stoush under S.116:

    COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT – SECT 116 Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion

    COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA CONSTITUTION ACT – SECT 116
    Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

  58. rickw

    Oh, windows 10, what a fucking piece of shit.

    It won’t advance through photos for some reason, and the advance icons are superimposed over the bottom of the photos. What happens if you want to snag it the photo without the Microsoft shite on the bottom? You can’t. FMD, I had to rotate a photo 90′, snag it, then rotate it back 90′ to avoid the shit on the bottom of the image.

    Oh, and outlook won’t activate a calendar alert if you are composing an email. WTF?!

    I want to punch the fucking betas that programmed this shit in the fucking face. It just gets more shit every iteration.

  59. Rafe Champion

    Malcolm’s message to me. I am touched!

    I got one from Gladys today as well, telling me all the stuff they are doing to help the poor power users.

  60. Boambee John

    notafan at 2109

    If they do not have a licence to perform marriages under the Act, then tbey cannot perform legal marriages under the Act.

    Religious blessings on the unions of faithful church members, however …

  61. Geriatric Mayfly

    ABC unleashes ‘diversity tracker’
    9:06PMSTEPHEN BROOK
    The ABC has begun asking its news ­reporters to catalogue the ethnic diversity of people in their news stories.

    FFS! How about sorting out the diversity of ideas and opinion first. ABC News is already repellent, surely they are not determined to now make it repugnant as well.

  62. Boambee John

    Gab at 2118

    No authority under the Act, can’t be directed to conduct a marriage. That would be to require the priest to act illegally at government direction!

  63. Geriatric Mayfly

    Oh Dear! A split infinitive in my haste. I am already in the naughty chair.

  64. Boambee John

    Open to contradiction by legal Cats, but I suspect that directing religious to give a religious blessing (as different to conduct a marriage under the Act) tona SS couple would fall foul of s116 of the Constitution.

    If religious celebrants return their licences, all they can do is conduct religious services, not legal marriages.

  65. Fergus

    This ad shows what real equality in diversity is about. It’s about just getting on with the job that you’ve been trained to do.
    http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/06/surf-lifesaving-australia-wins-diversity-challenge

  66. OneWorldGovernment

    sdfc
    #2492489, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:13 pm

    I don’t think the Commonwealth has the power to direct priests to marry gays.

    If they do then there is revolution for Australia.

    And I think the ASIO/Poofter ADF smartarses may find that there are a few blokes that will defend Australia.

    Publicly sign your allegiance to Australia you crap politicians.

    Every single journalist is anti Australian until they publicly declare an oath to Australia.

  67. Empire

    That would make for an interesting stoush under S.116:

    Maybe that was the plan all along. Let the beaks judge what level of dissent will be tolerated.

  68. Mitch M.

    Whoops, sorry, headline is …

    Diet Study Suggests It’s Carbs, Not Fats, That Are Bad for You

  69. JC

    If religious celebrants return their licences, all they can do is conduct religious services, not legal marriages.

    Let’s say SSM becomes law of the land. If current family law recognizes defacto relationships I don’t see the purpose for religious celebrants to carry the state license any longer?
    A priest etc sanctifies the relationship and records it in the church’s books. Why would anyone require the state to recognize the marriage? I frankly don’t see any need whatsoever.

    My hunch is that we could veer in this direction if the gaystapo and the Liars Party decide to attack religious groups by attempting to force SS marriage onto them.

    I could see the day when a religiously based marriage won’t be recorded by the state as the celebrant won’t have a state license.

  70. Myrddin Seren

    The ABC has begun asking its news ­reporters to catalogue the ethnic diversity of people in their news stories.

    Coming next – quotas.

    ‘Sorry – love to report your story of single-handedly stopping an entire cell of pro-ISIS terrorists, but we have reached our quota of white, heteronormative males this week. We are off to do a piece on transgender Muslim model train enthusiasts instead. Lotsa boxes ticked with that one’.

  71. OneWorldGovernment

    I appreciate the arguments against the death penalty BUT there is an argument FOR Coventry.

    If someone, anyone, is so rescinding then we need to build a Coventry a la Heinlein and send them away from society.

    I’d suggest near Ayers Lake or Maralinga.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    ‘The legendary sTan grant “poison waterholes” ‘

    Poisoned flour Stan, was used to wipe out a whole language group near Batchelor.

    Bit of a difference there Testes, and I’m still waiting for your words of wisdom on how you avoided poisoning the odd bullocky and his team, or the odd drover with his mob.

  73. Harlequin Decline

    Tintarella di Luna
    #2491569, posted on September 8, 2017 at 6:29 am
    Early this morning looking around I found this audience with Ayn Rand back in 1979 – an entire Phil Donohue Show devoted to interview with this libertarian darling.

    Tinta, Thanks for posting, I only intended to watch a few minutes of this interview to see what Ayn Rand looked and sounded like. I ended up watching the whole 45 minutes. She doesn’t suffer fools at all and takes no prisoners.

    Whether you agree with her or not she argues consistently, powerfully and isn’t diverted by smart arse interviewers or the audience. All current politicians should take a lesson.

    Formidable!

  74. Gab

    Boambee John & Cohenite, hope you’re right but I can’t see it.

    Sure the Commonwealth cannot force priests to perform a service that is against against their religion, but under the AHRC, they will be penalised for not performing the “marriage”. And then there’s state laws …

    Gays will know they will be refused the sacrament of marriage by Catholic priests, which is precisely why they will target them. They’ll sue the Church for discrimination and they’ll get away with it.

  75. egg_

    Gerbil worming dunit!

    Mexico earthquake: strongest tremor in a century leads to mass evacuations

    But, but… isn’t the “missing heat” of CAGW hiding in the deep ocean(s)?

  76. sdfc

    s116 of the constitution suggests to me the Commonwealth doesn’t have the power to interfere with religious observance.

  77. Marcus Classis

    Hmm.

    So the Catholic Church could have priests hand in their authority to conduct marriages under the Marriage Act (if amended to include tontine fangology) and still conduct normal Nuptual Masses, meaning Catholics would be married in the eyes of the Church.

    Which is all that actually matters. Mere secular law on the matter is irrelevant.

    And after 6 months co-habitation they are also married in the eyes of the state anyway under the defacto crap.

    And when Adam and Steve mince up and demand to be married or they will sue to get their mitts on all that lovely moolah they can be told ‘nope, shove it up your arse, we cannot marry anyone under secular law as we have no powers under the Marriage Act and a Nuptual Mass is not a marriage in the eyes of the state, only in the eyes of the Church.’

    Hmm. That’s almost pure ‘identity group’ in nature.

    CL, how does that look under Canon Law? You know much more about that than I.

  78. Fergus

    Just checked, only civil marriage, performed by a civil registrar, is recognized under Dutch law

  79. OneWorldGovernment

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #2492530, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:52 pm

    ‘The legendary sTan grant “poison waterholes” ‘

    Poisoned flour Stan, was used to wipe out a whole language group near Batchelor.

    Bit of a difference there Testes, and I’m still waiting for your words of wisdom on how you avoided poisoning the odd bullocky and his team, or the odd drover with his mob.

    ZK2A

    He’s now taking his schizophrenic lithium tablets and has seemed to settle his weirding down a tad.

    What I always wondered about is how Australian Aboriginals got so ‘shit’ frightened of seeing a white person in the night.

    Talk about the Kurdaitcha man.

    And imagine never seeing WHITE sheep before?

    You would have to go and kill IT in the daytime.

    Talk about you’ve only ever seen a black swan!

    LOL

    And like you, I have met them.

  80. OneWorldGovernment

    Gab
    #2492532, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    Boambee John & Cohenite, hope you’re right but I can’t see it.

    Sure the Commonwealth cannot force priests to perform a service that is against against their religion, but under the AHRC, they will be penalised for not performing the “marriage”. And then there’s state laws …

    Gays will know they will be refused the sacrament of marriage by Catholic priests, which is precisely why they will target them. They’ll sue the Church for discrimination and they’ll get away with it.

    Gab

    If Christian religious are forced by the nazi marxist state of Australia to “marry” anyone then we Australians are in open warfare.

    I would suggest that there are a few folk sitting in SE Asia and internal Australia that may take exception.

  81. Gab

    They won’t be forced to marry, OWG. They’ll be punished for not marrying them. That’s the game the gaystapo will play.

  82. Rabz

    The perils of so called “democracy” part eleventy gazillion and fifty three:

    I have to front up to a polling place tomorrow to get my name ticked off for the latest round of local council elections.

    Anyone who’s lived in Sydney and its environs will be well versed in the preposterous inexcusable farce that is local government, as she is practiced.

    Discussed this with one of my best mates this evening who’s been living in my municipality for a lot longer than I have. Conversation went as follows:

    Me: So do you anything about the candidates?
    RC: No.
    Me: So have you voted before?
    RC: No.
    RC’s wife: One of the labor bimbos is a “former” property developer
    Me: what night is green bin night, FFS?
    RC: The Wednesday night, but sometimes you have to leave the bin out until Friday
    Me: I’ve been putting my green bin out on a Wednesday night for the last eight weeks and they still haven’t emptied it, FFS.
    RC: Come to think of it, they haven’t emptied ours, either
    Me: And these imbeciles expect us to vote for them, FFS?
    RC: Well, I’m sure they have very sound policies on the Palestinian question and no local islamic lesbian puppet theatre troupe goes hungry
    Me: Grate. So I will have to vote informal and then wheel my green bin off to council chambers and empty it outside the entrance.
    RC: Ain’t democracy grand!?
    Me: %#@^%#!!

  83. Arky

    I could see the day when a religiously based marriage won’t be recorded by the state as the celebrant won’t have a state license.

    ..
    Already happening.
    My Anglican vicar indicated as much when my wife and I tied the knot last year.

  84. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Talk about the Kurdaitcha man.

    Local cops, where I used to live, would take misbehaving Aboriginal kids, out of town, at night, drop them off a few miles out, and tell them to walk home. They were also told the Kurdaitcha man would sneak up behind them…

  85. Gab

    Mind you, I’m still expecting this currant pope to announce, before the year is out, that gay “marriage” will be allowed.

  86. Empire

    I appreciate the arguments against the death penalty BUT there is an argument FOR Coventry.

    If someone, anyone, is so rescinding then we need to build a Coventry a la Heinlein and send them away from society.

    I’d suggest near Ayers Lake or Maralinga.

    I hadn’t considered the saline treatment.

    I’m a Maralinga fan. My thoughts here:

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/04/10/monday-forum-april-10-2017/comment-page-5/#comment-2351913

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2017/04/11/tuesday-forum-april-11-2017/comment-page-1/#comment-2352003

  87. Arky

    Mind you, I’m still expecting this currant pope to announce, before the year is out, that gay “marriage” will be allowed.

    ..
    Compulsory more likely.

  88. Gab

    Oooh, you are wicked, Calli 😀

  89. cohenite

    Gab

    #2492532, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:53 pm

    Boambee John & Cohenite, hope you’re right but I can’t see it.

    Sure the Commonwealth cannot force priests to perform a service that is against against their religion, but under the AHRC, they will be penalised for not performing the “marriage”. And then there’s state laws …

    Any law requiring any religion to conform to any SSM law disputed under S.116 will have to deal with islam; that will be the real interesting test, not any of the Christian religions.

  90. Gab

    As with the muslim bakers, the gaystapo won’t challenge muslims on marriage.

  91. Baldrick

    Strange how they only want to shut down one side of the argument:

    Prof Kerryn Phelps @drkerrynphelps
    What is taking the government so long to ensure no false and deceptive content in the NO campaign’s advertising? #marriageequality
    10:32pm · 8 Sep 2017 ·

  92. Snoopy

    Prof Kerryn Phelps @drkerrynphelps
    What is taking the government so long to ensure no false and deceptive content in the NO campaign’s advertising? #marriageequality
    10:32pm · 8 Sep 2017 ·

    An act of parliament and stuff?

  93. Gab

    That’s appalling, rickw. But had to laugh at the “What does e-y-e-s spell?” question.

    “Uh, umm, it spells e-yes! but that’s not a word!”

  94. Peter Castieau

    FWIWorth,

    I have it on pretty good authority, that should SSM be allowed, Catholic priests will also remove themselves from the act of marriage completely.

    Does anyone else know of this?

  95. Snoopy

    Prof Kerryn Phelps @drkerrynphelps
    What is taking the government so long to ensure no false and deceptive content in the NO campaign’s advertising? #marriageequality
    10:32pm · 8 Sep 2017 ·

    Thanks to Prof Dr Zs K Phelps AO NRMA for revealing her inner totalitarian.

  96. Snoopy

    oops …… zer totalitarian…
    Amiright?

  97. Peter Castieau

    State sanctioned marriage I believe.

  98. Rabz

    Pete – Frankie’s flock won’t.

  99. Myrddin Seren

    rickw
    #2492560, posted on September 8, 2017 at 10:31 pm

    We are done for:

    All is proceeding as has been Foreseen

  100. Peter Castieau

    A person I know works for the local diocese and apparently that is the tactic should the Yes get up.

  101. Empire

    Prof Kerryn Phelps @drkerrynphelps
    What is taking the government so long to ensure no false and deceptive content in the NO campaign’s advertising? #marriageequality
    10:32pm · 8 Sep 2017 ·

    Wow.

    That’s a Rudd like level of passive aggressive despotism.

    She should see a doctor and look in to it.

  102. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sadly that won’t be available to florists, caterers or cake makers.

    Just gone to Scotus for a decision in the US. We don’t have their Constitution unfortunately – our HC seems to be able to squeeze all sorts of strange stuff out of the Oz version.

    DOJ files brief on behalf of baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple

    The Justice Department on Thursday filed a brief supporting the Colorado baker who refused to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on faith-based grounds, in the latest religious freedom case to be considered before the nation’s highest court.

    As you might expect their Waffen SSM are spitting chips.

  103. Snoopy

    That’s a Rudd like level of passive aggressive despotism.

    No. We have nothing to worry about. It’s only about love and marriage and stuff.

    /Sinc

  104. Peter Castieau

    Good night Cats the Custard has had a long day.

    I’m sure of my sources regarding the priests.

    It could make it interesting.

    Cheers

  105. Anthony

    If all religious celebrants hand in their papers and only bless the state performed marriages of members of their faith, won’t that get up the nose of the poofters. They still won’t be able to have what heterosexual unions of christians have.

  106. notafan

    They may well refuse to complete the government registration, but deny couples the sacrament?

    That would be cutting off nose to spite face, and no other Catholic diocese in countries that have legalised ssmarriage have done such.

  107. zyconoclast

    In a letter to stakeholders, the South Australian government has advised it will “defer the start date of the Energy Security Target to 2020”.
    The @rse fell out of Teh World’s Biggest Battery?
    Weatherdildo’s vibe’s on the blink?

    The worlds biggest battery operated dildo fell out of Weatherill’s @rse.

    FIFY

    (no wonder Penny dumped him)

  108. Makka

    won’t that get up the nose of the poofters. They still won’t be able to have what heterosexual unions of christians have.

    They’ll have the state. That will prove sufficient.

  109. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Is this weird or I have lived a sheltered life?

    No, I’ve lived a sheltered life, and the Memsahib, who happened to wander into my study at the wrong time, has told me that I needn’t be getting any ideas…

  110. Gab

    They’ll have the state. That will prove sufficient.

    No. that’s not their end game at all. They want the Church to submit to their demands and I very much doubt they’re interested in testing any other Christian denomination.

  111. Arky

    Trump has decided to shake the Republican’s cage.
    Good. Useless sods:
    ..

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump · 23m23 minutes ago

     More

    Republicans must start the Tax Reform/Tax Cut legislation ASAP. Don’t wait until the end of September. Needed now more than ever. Hurry!
    ..

    Republicans, sorry, but I’ve been hearing about Repeal & Replace for 7 years, didn’t happen! Even worse, the Senate Filibuster Rule will….
    ..
    …never allow the Republicans to pass even great legislation. 8 Dems control – will rarely get 60 (vs. 51) votes. It is a Repub Death Wish.

  112. zyconoclast

    No, I’ve lived a sheltered life, and the Memsahib, who happened to wander into my study at the wrong time, has told me that I needn’t be getting any ideas…

    +1

  113. Mike of Marion

    Weatherill is looking very pale lately – perhaps the sun lamp isn’t working!

  114. Siltstone

    Why do we now need a Marriage Act at all?

  115. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A wheat belt supermarket, a couple of days ago – the soundtrack belting out the Angels “Am I ever Gonna See Your Face Again.” Three middle aged Angels fans remembering the full version, and snoggering loudly, and a teenage checkout chick wondering if we had all gone mad…

    “Am I Ever Gonna See your Face Again

    No way, get fvcked, fvck off…”

  116. Makka

    They want the Church to submit to their demands and I very much doubt they’re interested in testing any other Christian denomination.

    Like I said, they will have the state – to achieve this. They need the power of the state to attack the church successfully. The church isn’t their end game. It’s family.

  117. Oh come on

    s116 of the constitution suggests to me the Commonwealth doesn’t have the power to interfere with religious observance.

    Ah, but it does. s.116 is interpreted extremely narrowly by the HC. Many believe the purpose of s.116 was to prevent the establishment of a state church and little else. Certainly not a Bill of Rights-style inalienable freedom of the kind our founding fathers pointedly rejected. Such protections would have been unnecessary for men who considered the British Crown a far more benevolent force than their American equivalents.

  118. Arky

    Just rewrite the marriage service to include a pledge before God of complete, lifelong monogamy devoid of gerbils, beats or saunas and watch the bastards run a million miles from a church wedding.

  119. Mother Lode

    A strict Muzzie wouldn’t care what we do with our definition of marriage – secular, Catholic, whatever – they don’t recognise them.

    What we do is as remote from them as the happenings of the Oort Cloud.

    They are doing their own thing.

    And whether they are formally conscious of it or not, they no doubt have sensed that they themselves will never be raked over the coals for refusing to officiate – anyone requesting their barbarous rites will themselves be accused of raaaaacism and the Muzzies off the hook.

    And gay Muzzies wanting to be hitched in a Mo-show? Gay Muzzies would never get that far.

    This whole brouhaha is about dismantling mainstream institutions. The things that have formed foundations of mainstream society and history. Muzzies are not mainstream.

    And, because he is out there somewhere: Fuck off Septimus.

  120. Oh come on

    If they refuse, they’ll be penalized for committing discrimination. Your mate Shorten has made it very clear that exemptions will not be allowed.

    That would make for an interesting stoush under S.116:

    Nah it won’t, I promise you 🙂

    IIRC not one piece of Commonwealth law has fallen afoul of s.116. Ever.

    Given the wording of s.116, you’d assume it’s obviously unconstitutional for the Commonwealth to conscript and send into battle a member of a pacifist religion. Not according to the HC, it isn’t.

    All I’m saying is don’t expect s.116 to offer any protection to a religious organisation or individual who is prosecuted for breaking the anti-discrimination provision of the upcoming Commonwealth SSM law.

  121. GoTiges

    Well all I can say is, go you mighty Tigers…

    We haven’t beaten the Cats since Noah was a boy but we thrashed them tonight and there were 95 thousand witnesses.

    Be interesting to see if the Bombers can knock over Sydney tomorrow too.

  122. OneWorldGovernment

    Gab
    #2492543, posted on September 8, 2017 at 10:13 pm

    They won’t be forced to marry, OWG. They’ll be punished for not marrying them. That’s the game the gaystapo will play.

    Nahh.

    Bring it on.

  123. Oh come on

    They need the power of the state to attack the church successfully. The church isn’t their end game.

    What do the mainline protty churches do these days, anyway, except maintain the elite private school network where belief in God is very much optional? A typical Uniting or CofE congregation would make Dad’s Army look like an SAS squadron in comparison.

    Anyway, enough sneering at the ‘progressive’ protestant churches. I think Makka and Gab are
    both right. Certainly the Orthodox, Catholic and evangelicals still have significant moral authority in society, and while they do they hold the ability to restore the model of the traditional family unit, which has already been degraded by the progressive left. Bringing recalcitrant churches to heel would allow the left to continue this process apace.

  124. OneWorldGovernment

    Anyone been to a Muzzi wedding?

    A stupid ‘mate’ of mine, Canberra, actually married someone.

    You try to talk someone to see the light, but hey.

    What he did was pay for her. To the brothers. Bought and sold.

    I went through the charade.

    And I said to the stinking f*king arzholes that if anyone touches my dumb mate then I will rip your f*king heads off.

    Mind you the arzholes were screaming in my face at the time and I said I know where you live you shitheads.

    This is all the while when I walked outside to have a smoke.

    Later on went into somewhere in Paramatta and danced the muslim mens poofta dance.

    Now I have done the zorba the Greek type shit with blokes, even put up with male and female pooftas in Canberra in a place called heaven.

    And any of them I would snap their fucking heads off if they had touched me.

    But if you want a sheila in a bag, just costs money.

  125. Delta A

    Guess who’s been telling porkies? From today’s $Oz:

    The ‘ugly’ same-sex clash that wasn’t

    MARK SCHLIEBS GREG BROWN

    It had all the drama that could lead morning news bulletins, with same-sex marriage advocates claiming to be injured and traumatised by Australian Christian Lobby No campaigners who they accused of driving into them as they protested outside a Brisbane church.

    As news of the ugly clash on Thursday night spread, sparking a call for calm and respectful debate from Malcolm Turnbull, police, witnesses and attendees began to air their bewilderment at the protesters’ version of events.

    Queensland police said they monitored the protest — organised by the National Union of Students and partly led by Socialist Alternative members — and there was no record of any cars hurtling towards protesters, nor any other assault or injury.

    One witness had seen a driver blocked by protesters from getting into a carpark, but police helped make a path through the crowd. Footage showed the same. The planned meeting, cancelled at the last minute to avoid a confrontation with protesters, wasn’t even supposed to be about same-sex marriage. Instead, the event was scheduled to hear a talk from the Australian Christian Lobby’s Wendy Francis about the Safe Schools program.

    Yet for much of yesterday, the protest and allegations were across the media and fed fears that the marriage debate was turning violent. It began after one of the protesters, former Socialist Alternative spokesman Jessica Payne, claimed on national television that she had been injured “because people drove their cars nearly at full speed into the Yes campaigners here”.

    “It was extremely scary, extremely irresponsible, and police tried to help the people in the cars get through the crowd of protesters,” she told the Nine Network.

    The Prime Minister responded with the call for calm from the opposing campaigns. “I encourage all Australians to engage in this debate, as we do in all debates, respectfully,” Mr Turnbull said in Samoa. “You cannot expect your side of the argument to be respected unless you respect the other side of the argument and the people who put it.”

    Ms Francis’s talk was cancelled on Thursday afternoon because of concerns about protests, organiser Stuart Beavis from Catholic group Knights of the Southern Cross said yesterday. Mr Beavis was parked in the church grounds to turn away people who had planned to come to the talk but were unaware it was cancelled.

    “It certainly wasn’t a rally for the No campaign; it was purely a talk to give people information about what the Safe Schools program was about,” he said.

    “But they decided to register protests against the Australian Christian Lobby. They didn’t really care what the talk was about.”

    Footage from the protest, outside St Michael’s Church in the Brisbane suburb of Ashgrove, shows a car blocked from entering a driveway by about 20 protesters, before police officers move one of them to the back of the crowd.

    “We monitored it, but nothing really came out of it,” a police spokesman said.

    A Queensland Ambulance spokeswoman said the service received triple-0 calls from the protest for an “alleged assault” of a woman but she declined treatment or transport.

    Mr Beavis said he was disappointed the event was cancelled.

    “It’s very disappointing that we have to cave into this sort of unruly mob,” he said.

    The ACL-backed Coalition for Marriage slammed the protesters yesterday. “This is another example of the appalling lengths LGBTIQ activists will go to shut down free speech,” said spokesman David van Gend.

    “They blocked access to the hall in question, preventing access for those seeking to attend the meeting. They then chose to make some very serious allegations, dismissed as false by Queensland Police, as a way of excusing their bullying tactics.”

    Two NUS organisers of the protest did not respond to requests for comment. They created a page for the event on Facebook — for which just 56 people RSVPed — describing the protest as being against “the arch-bigots, the Australian Christian Lobby (who) are determined to spread hate in the wake of the plebe-shite on basic civil rights.”

  126. C.L.

    I’m not sure re Canon Law but somebody posted an interesting argument the other day about how the Church over the centuries had over-formalised marriage, including actively wanting state acknowledgement. I suspect if Christian ministers turned in their celebrant credentials, the gay state would hit back by stripping Church-married people of their civil legal rights.

  127. C.L.

    SMH:

    Support for same-sex marriage falling, says poll
    EXCLUSIVEJames Massola

    Support for same-sex marriage has crashed ahead of the Turnbull government’s postal survey, and only two-thirds of voters are inclined to take part, according to the latest polling from same-sex marriage advocates.

    At the start of a two-month campaign, the confidential research provided to Fairfax Media shows support for a “no” vote has risen, as has the number of people who say they don’t know how they will vote.

  128. Snoopy

    I hope we see more of the Brisbane land whale and her Socialist Alternative mates over the coming months.

    Go Jessica you good thing!

  129. Boambee John

    Gab and others

    The HRC has no legal authority to “enforce” its penalties. I am not sure it even has the legal right to require respondents to appear at “conciliation” meetings.

    The only way to enforce penalties is before a proper court. Any decision by a state court is likely to be appealed to the High Court, where s116 comes into play.

    Even the Alphabet lobby is likely to realise that the adverse publicity from creating martyrs by jailing religious, then having to defend that before the High Court, might be a court too far.

    Politicians will soon learn that congregations outnumber Alphabets, even with lower attendance rates in modern times. Their enthusiasm for creating nartyrs will soon dissipate.

    As long as half a dozen religious are willing to go to jail, a “compromise will soon be found.

    As for bakers and florists, any of them who can’t make the recipe or arrangement unpalatable or unattractive, and the price exorbitant, lack imagination.

  130. C.L.

    Dear Gay Lobby: you need to ramp up the militancy.
    Please, more picketing, more media manipulation, more lecturing and hectoring.
    GO!

  131. Boambee John

    notafan

    A sacrament is not the same as a marriage under the Marriage Act. Be creative in tge description of what is on offer “to members of our congregation who accept the tenets of our faith”.

    If the Alphabets want to get the sacrament they will have to sign up, attend faithfully, know and accept those tenets, and adhere to them (which pretty much makes it impossible to get SSM). Some might even come to understand the errors of their ways!

  132. Snoopy

    And more straight out lies, please. “Hate posters all over Melbourne laneways!” “Killer Christian Nazis on wheels!”

  133. Boambee John

    CL at 0832

    . I suspect if Christian ministers turned in their celebrant credentials, the gay state would hit back by stripping Church-married people of their civil legal rights.

    Then the state would have to remove those rights as they currently apply to de facto couples, as people receiving “Church marriages” would be de facto couples under current law. There are a lot of de facto couples in Australia, many of whom probably support SSM, but would not like losing their current rights.

    That thicket of laws referred to in A Man for All Seasons is now very entangled.

  134. bystander

    Delta A
    #2492491, posted on September 8, 2017 at 9:14 pm
    Julian Burnside on Twitter:
    Now: Vote Yes for #MarriageEquality The hard right will do what they can to defeat it. Don’t let bigotry win.

    Ah yes, the loopy left. They cannot see that when you give away principles you cannot differentiate between belief and bigotry.

  135. Deplorable

    Boambee John & Cohenite, hope you’re right but I can’t see it.

    Sure the Commonwealth cannot force priests to perform a service that is against against their religion, but under the AHRC, they will be penalised for not performing the “marriage”. And then there’s state laws …

    Gays will know they will be refused the sacrament of marriage by Catholic priests, which is precisely why they will target them. They’ll sue the Church for discrimination and they’ll get away with it.

    But if a couple were to bring a celebrant to the church then a man and a woman could be married and have the blessing of their particular religion plus the church could refuse to offer blessings to homosexual unions if the priests have handed back their license to marry
    Win win , the church does not have to supply a blessing to homosexuals so they can just go down the beach for their civil union as they can now

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