Open Forum: September 9, 2017

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  1. Philippa Martyr

    I know men who’ve been raped. It’s no laughing matter.

    mOnty, I am disappointed. Your desire to appear broadminded and a man of the world has once again left you hamstrung.

  2. thefrolickingmole

    Yet more evidence giving ladies the vote was a mistake…

    Thank you for publishing this article. Last Friday night in Melbourne, Bangarra Dance Company received a standing ovation for their depiction of the desecration of indigenous Australians since 1788. We were an audience of largely white men and women. Many of us were in tears. Those of us who stood to applaud, let’s take just one more step and harness that energy to join with indigenous Australians and work with them to effect change.

    Dance based policy positions, FFS, China take us over allready.

  3. Tom

    Sorry, but using migration to boost growth isn’t smart

    Especially if you’re importing welfare parasites.

    Poor old Ross Gittins is a classic example of the mental illness of leftism: he’s an economist, but can’t figure out why the Australian economy is stuffed* and limping along just above recession.

    Nevertheless, he has figured out that high immigration is part of the problem:

    Is it any wonder the long-suffering denizens of our chronically under-serviced outer suburbs end up diverting so much of their dissatisfaction onto immigrants who arrive uninvited by boat? Sometimes I wonder if that’s by design, too.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

    *Try an explosion in electricity prices and government regulations and a doubling in the size of government in the past decade, imposing an extra $250 billion slug on the economy per annum.

  4. thefrolickingmole

    And by ladies I mean manginas as well…

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thank you for publishing this article. Last Friday night in Melbourne, Bangarra Dance Company received a standing ovation for their depiction of the desecration of indigenous Australians since 1788

    What about a depiction of the way in which the lives of indigenous Australians have been improved since 1788?

  6. Australia’s leading librarian and centre-right bog.

    Political Correctness is a none too subtle means of censorship.
    Even the cat auto-moderator deems that there are words that shall not be written.

    The SSM lobbying is an example of how Political Correctness constrains free speech. One side is not permitted* to use the words that describe the other sides arguments and behaviour. Hence, the outcome of the so called debate is predetermined.

    We need to re-assert our freedom by ensuring laws “respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” are repealed.

    *permitted by law – depending on your state of residence

  7. A Lurker

    High time that freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of religion were written into our Constitution.

  8. JC

    Wodge, the engineer.

    rog

    It’s worth having a look at the Sundrop Farm at Pt Augusta. Mirrors track and redirect the sun onto a collector, which glows with a burning golden intensity, even early in the morning. The collected energy enables them to operate independently of the grid and they can desalinate sea water, climate control the growing sheds and are looking at onselling the minerals obtained from desalination. And they can grow tomatoes.

    All this talk of baseload is just a bunch of cobblers.

  9. Geriatric Mayfly

    let’s take just one more step and harness that energy to join with indigenous Australians and work with them to effect change.

    Motherhood stuff, unadulterated.

  10. Boambee John

    m0nty seems to have retired hurt.

  11. littledozer

    Unsurprisingly, Despot Dan has installed a large generator to power Parliament house. It’s in the car park and was installed last week I’m told about the same time the Minister was saying the public would not need back up generators this year.

  12. High time that freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of religion were written into our Constitution.

    My argument is that doing this will destroy many of the (secondary) evils that beset us.

    Then give me anti-racketeering laws so that the climate racketeers, the ABC and various scamsters of government funds can be incarcerated for long periods.

  13. struth

    We were an audience of largely white men and women. Many of us were in tears.

    And I’d be crying too (for Australia) if I were there.

    The disgusting trait of left wing narcissism on display.
    We note they were in a heated air condition theatre and not sitting their bare arses on the ant infested ground around a camp fire with actual aboriginals who wouldn’t get a single dance move of the white “jass ballet” inspired moves of the bangarra tax hoovers.

  14. Tom

    Trump’s inauguration speech:

    “[The political establishment’s] victories have not been your victories; their triumphs have not been your triumphs; and while they celebrated in our nation’s capital, there was little to celebrate for struggling families all across our land.”

    Crooked Hillary: “his speech … was a cry from the white nationalist gut …”

    It’s amazing that Western civilisation has lasted so long when it has given people with such
    self-hatred the spoils of high office.

    Ben Garrison is spot-on.

  15. struth

    High time that freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of association, freedom of religion were written into our Constitution.

    High time for a plainly written bill of rights.

  16. Same-sex law should see exodus from marriage act

    Sorry, but this article by Jennifer Oriel is terrible. No, marriage and same-sex unions are not the same or of equal worth, and the suggestion that marriage as a union between the sexes is a religious idea which is inconsistent with secularism is just absurd and unhistorical tosh. Further, the idea that religious institutions should just withdraw from civil marriage is not a modus vivendi accommodation, it is simply state usurpation of a natural institution.

  17. notafan

    Monty also miss defined ‘hate fuck’ as bare back (which is a falsehood) and given that none of the MPs in question are likely to consent to any form of congress with said Benjanmin Law, a reasonalbe person would conclude that a non consensual interaction was proposed.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Coalition MPs have lashed the ­author of the latest Quarterly Essay — which calls for a national rollout of the controversial Safe Schools program — over a lewd tweet joking about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    Benjamin Law, a columnist for Fairfax’s Good Weekend magazine and an active campaigner for same-sex marriage, posted the tweet on August 30 that triggered numerous replies including comments such as “start with Hastie” — a reference to West Australian Liberal MP and former member of the SAS Andrew Hastie, who ­defends traditional marriage.

    Law replied by posting: “(sighs heavily, unzips pants)”.

    From Bolta. Threatening a former captain in the Special Air Service Regiment with violence is not a good idea, snowflakes. You will learn the meaning of the word “pain” at about the time that what passes for your testicles bursts through your eardrums.

  19. cohenite

    It’s worth having a look at the Sundrop Farm at Pt Augusta. Mirrors track and redirect the sun onto a collector, which glows with a burning golden intensity, even early in the morning.

    But rarely at midnight.

  20. C.L.

    I know men who’ve been raped. It’s no laughing matter.

    The Tweet didn’t specify gender.
    It called for “MPs” opposing SS”M” to be raped.
    Silence from Labor. Labor endorses the Tweet.

  21. struth

    It’s worth having a look at the Sundrop Farm at Pt Augusta. Mirrors track and redirect the sun onto a collector, which glows with a burning golden intensity, even early in the morning.

    Who’dda thunk that just singing Kumbaya could power an entire state…………………………..?

    I’d rather see Leigh Creek with some people in it.

  22. Monty also miss defined ‘hate fuck’ as bare back

    What? Nota, just stop.

  23. JC

    Disgraceful behavior by you, Monster. In a fair world you would be beaten.

  24. Philippa, I will try to trudge on knowing you are disappointed in me, but you have taken all the fun out of my life.

  25. I will try to remember this conversation the next time you lot complain about political correctness and free speech rights. Which will be soon.

  26. Senile Old Guy

    Sorry, but this article by Jennifer Oriel is terrible. No, marriage and same-sex unions are not the same or of equal worth, and the suggestion that marriage as a union between the sexes is a religious idea which is inconsistent with secularism is just absurd and unhistorical tosh.

    Agreed. It is easy to argue against SSM without invoking religion. I have done so and I am agnostic.

    So far, those arguing for “yes” are not doing a great job of it.

  27. alexnoaholdmate

    I will try to remember this conversation the next time you lot complain about political correctness and free speech rights. Which will be soon.

    We just did this, Monty, remember?

    It wasn’t about free speech – it was about hypocrisy.

    One side is damned as bigots if they even open their mouths; the other fantasises about raping its opponents.

    And that’s the side you stand with.

  28. C.L.

    What is it with pro-SS”M” Asians, by the way?
    One calls for MPs to be raped, another detonates a car bomb.
    Calm the hell down, fellas. This isn’t Enter The Dragon.

  29. struth

    Fuck off Monty.

    I have only just skimmed the comments above but your feeble trolling skills have been pushed to their limit of late, what with absolutely zero that you predicted happening and Trump still not going anywhere , just getting stronger, soon to have an incalculable effect on Australia and inspire a like minded political revolt that will see you guys think twice before spitting out the lies and shit your Nazi master Soros and co indoctrinate you with.

    We can all tell , Monty.
    You’re getting tired.
    It’s all a bit too much.
    You’ve got to go to the fringes of relevance to try to find something that can be spun into a win.

    But truly Monty, we can all tell, you are worn down.
    Your brain hurts.

    Go outside and smell the flowers,………………………………..while the bees are active.

  30. Roger

    Profile of Angela Merkel at Quadrant Online.

    A few odd typos but it answers a lot of questions about Merkel’s DDR background (about which she has lied), career opportunism and ideological bent.

    In a familiar refrain, it notes that the German media leans towards the far Left and has given her a free ride, accounting for her popularity despite delivering the refugee crisis and record high electricity prices.

    Merkel championed a conference on climate change and social change in Essen in 2009 attended by a number of notables from the Western elite (John Podesta, Lord Giddens) which proposed the “decarbonisation” of Western societies, the introduction of planned economies, reduction of the number of private vehicles and the promotion of vegetarianism and the use of protein derived from insects to replace meat. It was acknowledged that governments would have to “reprogram peoples’ brains” in order to successfully introduce these changes.

    And she thinks Trump is crazy!

  31. notafan

    DB, we were both right but incomplete. Law’s tweet was about

    No-backing

    MPs.

    Okay Monty I misremembered ‘it was ‘no backing’ whatever that means

  32. H B Bear

    Coles declined to comment.

    I bet they did. Big Business loves Big Union and Big Government.

    No-one does State sanctioned corruption like Australia.

  33. Senile Old Guy

    Another group weighs in.

    The National Mental Health Commission (the Commission) recognises that discrimination of any kind, based on race, gender identity, relationship status, age, political opinion, disability or sexuality is detrimental to mental health. The Marriage Act currently denies individual choice and discriminates against same sex attracted people in Australia by defining marriage as “the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life”[1].

    As a minority group, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Queer (LGBTIQ) people disproportionately face negative mental and physiological health outcomes compared with the general population. LGBTIQ people continue to experience routine discrimination, prejudice, stigma, and exclusion in the community. It is difficult to determine suicide mortality rates for the LGBTIQ population as sexuality and/or gender identity may not be known.[2] However, a number of studies have found that members of LGBTIQ communities are more likely to experience mental health problems such as anxiety, depression, thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts and self-harm than their non LGBTIQ peers[3],[4], as a result of negative social experiences such as homophobia and bullying[5].

    The current debate about marriage equality has received growing support from many members of the community. However, many LGBTIQ people are personally affected by the continuing debate, encountering unacceptable sentiments and behaviour in their workplaces, their communities, and in social and public media. The Commission is concerned about the potential negative health impacts these debates about marriage equality will have on individuals, couples and families as they are exposed to continued scrutiny and judgement.

    Note that no studies are cited for the last two statements in the third paragraph. The last sentence is another “shut up” statement to stop debate.

    And who would suggest that people do not get upset by bullying or messages of hate? But no-one yet has provided any evidence linking this to the SSM debate, except by suggestion and supposition. And, as has now been noted frequently, almost all of the bullying and hate is coming from the “yes” lobby.

  34. struth

    Merkel championed a conference on climate change and social change in Essen in 2009 attended by a number of notables from the Western elite (John Podesta, Lord Giddens) which proposed the “decarbonisation” of Western societies, the introduction of planned economies, reduction of the number of private vehicles and the promotion of vegetarianism and the use of protein derived from insects to replace meat. It was acknowledged that governments would have to “reprogram peoples’ brains” in order to successfully introduce these changes.

    You wouldn’t have to change much.

    HITLER championed a conference on climate change and social change in Essen in 1930’s attended by a number of notables from the Western elite (John Podesta, Lord Giddens) which proposed the “deSTRUCTION” of Western societies, the introduction of planned economies, reduction of the number of private vehicles and the promotion of vegetarianism and the use of protein derived from insects to replace meat. It was acknowledged that governments would have to “reprogram peoples’ brains” in order to successfully introduce these changes.

  35. struth

    Have a great day, everyone.

  36. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Just heard Bob Katter refer to himself as a “First Australian” and a “Blackfella” in Parliament.

  37. H B Bear

    Wodge, the engineer.
    rog

    … And they can grow tomatoes.

    Who doesn’t enjoy reading at night by tomato light?

  38. H B Bear

    Katter’s stand-up moves with the zeitgeist.

  39. JC

    Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)
    #2494420, posted on September 11, 2017 at 11:21 am

    Just heard Bob Katter refer to himself as a “First Australian” and a “Blackfella” in Parliament.

    You should be free to identify however you want. I’m a Torres Strait Islander for instance.

  40. Boambee John

    m0nty’s reference to the “slim-hipped” Benjamin Law, was m0nty having a homo-erotic fantasy?

  41. Roger

    The joys of multikulti:

    An episode of Border Control last night featured a Chinese witch bringing a number of the accoutrements of her rituals into the country which, as she explained through an interpreter, would be used to curse people. She seemed to be some sort of supernatural hit woman contracted to do a job on a local. She was waved through after inspection…”who are we to judge”.

    Meanwhile, a young American arriving to visit his girlfriend was deported in tears after it was determined he had worked one night a week as a chef during his last stay and might do so again. He could be denied entry for up to three years

  42. alexnoaholdmate

    I don’t understand the issue with Kate calling himself a blackfella.

    Can’t we all just identify with whatever we want nowadays?

    I, for one, am a rather natty dark red cravat.

  43. alexnoaholdmate

    Kate, of course, is Katter.

  44. Top Ender

    Despot Dan has installed a large generator to power Parliament house

    Any link to that? Would be great story for an investigative journalist.

    If there are any left in Victoria.

  45. The Marriage Act currently denies individual choice and discriminates against same sex attracted people in Australia by defining marriage as “the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life”[1].

    So what? The Act also discriminates as to number, age, and blood relation, and this is entirely justified, as is discriminating as to sex.

  46. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    new fred

  47. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just ask Monty. If he isn’t working.

    Of course he’s working.
    It’s Sunday.

  48. Roger

    Can’t we all just identify with whatever we want nowadays?

    Not when there are benefits in public money to be had.

    And Katter should know he needs to sanction of local elders to make that claim, which, oddly, would be verified (or not) by the white man’s notion of biological kinship rather than the indigenous notion of ritual kinship.

  49. Tom

    Thanks, JC. First belly-laugh of the day.

  50. Tom

    You should be free to identify however you want. I’m a Torres Strait Islander for instance.

    You’re lying. You’re an elder of the Olympic Dam tribe.

  51. Zyconoclast

    What is it with pro-SS”M” Asians, by the way?
    One calls for MPs to be raped, another detonates a car bomb.
    Calm the hell down, fellas. This isn’t Enter The Dragon.

    Fist of Fury?

  52. Top Ender

    Impressive!

    ANY city of a certain size has its fair share of blunders, bungles, white elephants and howlers.

    And Melbourne has seen a lot, from an innocent man wrongfully executed to the desal debacle and low-alcohol VB.

    Here are 10 of the worst stuff-ups Victoria has seen.

    COLIN CAMPBELL ROSS WRONGFULLY EXECUTED

    When 12-year-old Alma Tirtschke’s naked body was found in Gun Alley near Alfred Place in 1921, local wine bar owner Colin Campbell Ross was accused of her rape and murder.

    Tirtschke had been seen in the area of his wine bar before her death and strands of hair on a blanket in Ross’s saloon resembled those of the murdered girl.

    Despite always claiming to be innocent, Ross was convicted and sentenced to death. He was hanged at Old Melbourne Gaol in April 1922.

    Ross’s barrister continued attempts to clear his name but it wasn’t until 1998 that modern forensic testing began, to eventually find the hairs found on the blanket were not the victim’s.

    The execution was found to be wrongful, Ross was declared innocent and posthumously pardoned in 2008. It remains the only posthumous pardon for a person executed in Australia.

    FAKE EXECUTIVE WHO HAD MORE FRONT THAN MYER

    Andrew Jeffrey Flanagan looked excellent on paper, but when retail giant Myer hired him as general manager for strategic and business development, things didn’t go as planned.

    On his first day in the job, which would have earned him $400,000 a year, it was discovered his CV was completely fake and he wasn’t qualified for the job.

    It happened when a company listed by Flanagan as a previous employer claimed they had never hired him.

    A subsequent investigation also found he had lied to get lucrative jobs at clothing chain Rivers, Bendigo Health and the Australia Arab Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    He was made to undertake a community corrections order with treatment for alcohol and mental health.

    THE MYKI DEBACLE

    It was the $1.5 billion train ticket that Melbourne never thought it needed.

    The project for a new contactless card system started in 2005 and was supposed to be finished in 2007. But by 2013 it still wasn’t properly rolled out.

    On top of a nightmare press conference in which a Myki machine literally fell apart when handled by then transport minister Lynne Kosky, the system was plagued by blowouts, delays and computer glitches, including money going missing during the auto top-up process and accuracy problems with billing.

    As late as 2015 one commuter checked their Myki balance to find they supposedly owed $2.6 million — later blamed on a glitch.

    LOW-ALCOHOL VB

    A move by Carlton and United Breweries in August 2009 to cut the alcohol content of Victoria Bitter by 0.2 per cent was meant to save them tens of millions of dollars a year in beer tax and prevent a price rise.

    But it was a disaster. Before long Victorians who had been drinking the brew for decades were turning away and despite claims by the company the taste was unchanged, drinkers noticed a difference.

    As Rosedale power station worker Jim Pawley said in 2009, after 28 years of drinking VB: “I drank a can and a half of the new stuff and that was enough for me. It tastes like a yuppie beer. I even gave a slab away.”

    In the face of a loss of market share the brewers eventually caved and returned the beer to its full strength.

    WRONG ANTHEM AT THE DAVIS CUP

    It was the opening ceremony of the Davis Cup at Rod Laver Arena and pre-eminent jazz musician James Morrison was to play the national anthem of Spain, who had hosted and won the competition in the pervious year.

    But the anthem that organisers had given to Morrison to practice on the trumpet was the wrong one. It was the republican anthem used between 1931 and 1939, instead of the real anthem, Marcha Real.

    Spanish officials were furious and some stormed out of the arena, including sport minister Juan Antonio Gomez-Angulo.

    An official apology was made and the correct anthem was played after many Spaniards had left the stadium, but to add insult to injury, Lleyton Hewitt beat Spaniard Juan Carlos Ferrero in the final.

    THE DESAL WHITE ELEPHANT

    In the grips of drought in 2006 and 2007, which forced Victorians into water restrictions and killed countless front lawns across the state, the desal plant was dreamt up as a way to safeguard against future shortages.

    A location was chosen at Wonthaggi and Victorians were told the plant would cost about $3.1 billion.

    It was finally completed in 2012, but after water levels had improved, it was mothballed for about five years. Plus now the total cost looks like being more like a whopping $24 billion.

    Water finally began flowing through the plant earlier this year, a decade after the plan was put into motion.

    But that wasn’t after a massive equipment failure hampered the first time the machine would ever be turned on and working.

    WHAT A BUNCH OF BANKERS

    When you’re ahead on your foreign exchange trades, naturally you just want to keep going and going.

    And that’s what a team of Melbourne traders at NAB did in late 2003, but they ended up trading away $326 million chasing their losses on foreign exchange options.

    The traders David Bullen, Vince Ficarra, Luke Duffy and Gianni Gray were sacked when the bank found out what had been going on — between September 2003 and January 2004 the traders used loopholes to hide their unauthorised trades from superiors.

    But by the time it all came to light, it was too late.

    A judge later said the team of traders thought they were invincible and sentenced two of them to short stints in prison.

    THE WHEEL THAT WOULDN’T TURN

    A bold plan for a London-style Ferris wheel for $120 million seemed like the only magic bullet to punch a hole in Docklands’ growing mediocrity.

    The Southern Star Wheel, as it was then called, was erected and opened around New Year 2009.

    But in the extremely hot summer, which also saw the devastating Black Saturday bushfires, heat caused cracks up to 3m long in the structure and it was closed by WorkSafe after being open to the public for just 40 days.

    Concern was raised after the huge cracks were discovered by accident by a worker installing lighting.

    It took until late 2013 — almost five years after the cracks appeared — for the wheel to be reopened.

    The Melbourne Star, as it has since been renamed, is now turning.

    $1 BILLION FOR NO EAST WEST LINK

    The visionary road to connect the Western Ring Rd with the Eastern Fwy was ready to go in 2014, when the Coalition under Denis Napthine had signed contracts for the project ahead of the state election

    A month before the election, about 100 homes were even compulsorily acquired by the government to make way for the new infrastructure and it was expected that Labor would be locked into the project if they won office.

    But when Daniel Andrews became Premier, the road was spectacularly ditched, at a cost of $1.2 billion to taxpayers and a new raft of policies, including a plan to remove level crossings, was introduced instead.

    An Auditor General’s report later criticised bothe the Napthine Coalition Government and the Andrews Labor Government for both starting and abruptly stopping the project in a questionable way.

    ULTRANET

    It was meant to be a super portal for teachers, students and parents to connect online and improve education across Victoria.

    Instead it was ditched by the State Government in 2012 with associated waste of as much as $240 million, after it was decided the system wasn’t up to it.

    The cost blowout could reach $60 million and there was even a $1.4 million promotional party for the white elephant system, which so lacked the functionality it needed that it couldn’t be used.

    When the department originally signed a contract with supplier CSG in 2009, Ultranet was only meant to cost $71 million.

    An investigation by IBAC later found the tender system was improperly influenced and officials were given lavish gifts, including a trip to New York for the then Education Department deputy secretary, with no benefit to Victorian education.

    Can you think of any more stuff-ups? Let us know in the comments
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/ten-of-the-biggest-blunders-and-stuffups-victoria-has-ever-seen/news-story/88459878d079bdaef281bb23aaa2f40a

  53. Makka

    You’re an elder of the Olympic Dam tribe.

    They must be invisible.

  54. JC

    Makka
    #2495811, posted on September 12, 2017 at 6:10 pm

    You’re an elder of the Olympic Dam tribe.

    They must be invisible

    Ease up buster. Any more offensive comments like that directed toward me and I’ll have you up in front of Tim Southpossum, who you know actively searches for wacism.

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