Open Forum: September 9, 2017

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  1. Watching late edition of Insiders.

    Matt Riley also used the term “clean coal like a nice p#do” as per Alberici mentioned above.

    Guardian lady Murphy constantly interrupting Stutchbury when he was talking.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    F-111 pilot and navigater getting ready to go.

    Apparently, the new model Hercules C 130 doesn’t carry a navigator – he’s been replaced by a computer.

  3. rickw

    her clutch of vegie students

    Where’s “Fred” gone? Ah, he got put into Veggie Maths!

    Classic term!

  4. calli

    Hugh Bonham Carter

    Hugh Bonneville. Helena Bonham Carter.

    But I get your drift. 😃

    Downton Abbey meets Howard’s End!

  5. calli

    Oh bother. I’m turning into a pedant.

  6. Marcus Classis

    ZK2A, neither does the P-8. I have been told by Raafie Chappies that the worst officers in the RAAF are the ex-P3 navigators. “Worthless incompetent brainless arrogant wastes of protoplasm” was the politest description!

  7. Boambee John

    Other name for a navigator: directional consultant.

  8. Cannibal

    Spent the weekend in Sydney CBD. The streets are filthier than I remember, but hey, they have lovely rainbow yes flags, so everyone’s happy.

  9. Gab

    In an historic first, all Roselands’ new councillors are Muslim. Both the ALP and LNP actively courted this outcome.

    Is this Australia’s first hijab-wearing councillor?

    Nadia Saleh wore a light-purple head covering on Saturday night as she declared victory in the race for Canterbury-Bankstown council, in Sydney’s multicultural south-west.

    The mother-of-four, who runs a community centre, was one of three Muslim candidates who were elected to the Roselands ward.

    In an historic first, all Roselands’ new councillors are Muslim, including her Labor running mate Mohammad Huda and Liberal candidate Mohammad Zaman.

    Another Muslim Labor candidate, Bilal El-Hayek, was also elected in the Bankstown ward.

    Mrs Saleh’s victory in the New South Wales local government election comes 28 years after fleeing Lebanon’s civil war to join her husband Khodr, who had been in Sydney for three years.

    After settling in Sydney’s south-west, she became a manager of the Riverwood Community Centre.

    ‘When I first arrived at Australia, I struggled to raise my kids. I struggled to ask for support,’ she told SBS program Once Upon A Time in Punchbowl in 2014, in which she did not wear a hijab

    The local identity was joined on hustings by Lebanese-born state Labor MP and former Punchbowl Boys High School principal Jihad Dib, the first Muslim elected to the lower house of the New South Wales parliament.

    Mrs Saleh joins a growing group of Muslim politicians in Australia, which includes federal MPs Ed Husic and Anne Aly, and NSW upper house member Shaoquett Moselmane, who also hails from Lebanon.

    Labor senator Sam Dastyari, who moved to Australia from Iran when he was four in 1988, claims to be an atheist who describes himself as a ‘non-practising Muslim’.

    Early counting in the City of Canterbury-Bankstown council election shows Labor winning at least eight spots out of the 15 to have a majority.

    Is the face of our country changing irrevocably?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4869254/Three-Muslims-elected-Sydney-local-government-ward.html

  10. twostix

    IIRC, Sinc stated that I was never banned, there was a technical mix up that led me to think I was. I can’t remember the exact details, something about IP addresses or emails.

    Is this some sort of joke?

  11. Boambee John

    Second navigator joke.

    Flying Officer knuck walks into the mess bar on Friday night
    “Hey fellas, have you heard the latest navigator joke?”
    Gold braid encrusted figure at the end of the bar straightens up
    “Young man, I am a Group Captain navigator”
    “That’s OK, Sir, I’ll tell it slowly!”

  12. Myrddin Seren

    “In this case, the bulk of the money for these ‘free abortions’ came from the Lilith Fund, a nonprofit based in Texas that raises money for abortions, and private donors,”

    Really ?!

    Well, a quick Google says that indeed these abortion funders are called the Lilith Fund.

    The ancient name “Lilith” derives from a Sumerian word for female demons or wind spirits—the lilītu and the related ardat lilǐ. The lilītu dwells in desert lands and open country spaces and is especially dangerous to pregnant women and infants. Her breasts are filled with poison, not milk.

    Well, they sure aren’t shy about where they are coming at this from then.

  13. calli

    When I first arrived at Australia, I struggled to raise my kids. I struggled to ask for support’

    Wasn’t your husband supporting you? Or were you asking for extra from debbildebbil western taxpayers?

    Parasite.

  14. Snoopy

    In an historic first, all Roselands’ new councillors are Muslim.

    Diversity!

  15. twostix

    When m0nty was banned from posting here (like Bird is), he tried to create his own political blog, and on his own political blog he posted about….

    Catallaxyfiles.

    So sad.

  16. Stimpson J. Cat

    IIRC, Sinc stated that I was never banned, there was a technical mix up that led me to think I was. I can’t remember the exact details, something about IP addresses or emails.

    It’s called psychosis.
    I get it all the time.

  17. Gab

    When m0nty was banned from posting here (like Bird is), he tried to create his own political blog, and on his own political blog he posted about….

    Catallaxyfiles.

    So sad.

    LOLOLOLOLOL I remember that. It lasted what, a month?

  18. Gab

    Yes but Stimpy yours is the honest, down to earth type.

  19. stackja

    Snoopy
    #2494012, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:17 pm
    In an historic first, all Roselands’ new councillors are Muslim.

    Diversity!

    And with any changes to the Marriage Act, next Muslim multiple brides.

  20. Gab

    Wonder how long before Roselands starts to introduce sharia law for the shire?

  21. Marcus Classis

    Stimp:

    It’s called psychosis.
    I get it all the time.

    Hey, that’s crazy talk.

  22. Geriatric Mayfly

    but hey, they have lovely rainbow yes flags, so everyone’s happy.

    How much of this homo panoply and faux hysteria is simply preening and strutting in front of the home team? All the flags, bunting, placards, ABC promos and bolshie behaviour is but the theatre of self justification. So far, there has not been an iota, not a jot, nay a scintilla in any of their antics that smacks of wishing to accommodate the other side and win favour. Most of it enrage rather than engage.

  23. Gab

    Those muslims elected to the council, how many of them have dual citizenship?

  24. rickw

    Mrs Saleh’s victory in the New South Wales local government election comes 28 years after fleeing Lebanon’s civil war to join her husband Khodr, who had been in Sydney for three years.

    Her husband had left her in a country racked by civil war for 3 years?!

    A familiar sounding story these days in Europe?

    These fucking muslims are beyond description.

  25. Rockdoctor

    Gab
    #2494004, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:09 pm

    Yup and when the baby boomers die off we are in for a huge irreversible demographic shift in areas of our biggest cities. Like Western Sydney, have extended family there who are seem to be moving further and further out every time I hear of them.

  26. rickw

    When m0nty was banned from posting here (like Bird is), he tried to create his own political blog, and on his own political blog he posted about….

    Catallaxyfiles.

    So sad.

    WTF??!! That’s as funny as hell!

  27. Marcus Classis

    Gab
    #2494020, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:23 pm
    Wonder how long before Roselands starts to introduce sharia law for the shire?

    I believe that it’s scheduled for 20 Dhu al-Hijjah 1438, just after the completion of Dhuhr
    when, after they finish waving their unwiped freckles at the moon-god and the peddo-file-prophet, the local jihadi’s will celebrate by hurling every “filthy kufr sodomite” they can find form the top of a 15 story building in a sparkling display of multiculti diversity.

    Why do you ask?

  28. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Wonder how long before Roselands starts to introduce sharia law for the shire?

    It will start with a ban on keeping dogs as pets – dogs are unclean – and an objection to a new bottle shop..

  29. twostix

    Back in 2014 on m0ntys blog he mocked neo-conservatives attempting to gin up war with Russia and paint Putin as Hitler re-incarnate.

    Aleksandr Dugin, whose theory published at National Review is that Vladimir Putin is the new Hitler complete with a love of mysticism and a belief that Atlantis was not only real but influences world events to this day;

    Just three short years later and Trump is HitlerPutinStalin’s NeoNazi Communist spy in the whitehouse, and everyone here is a proven Nazi.

    And now we find out that not only that, but m0nty has revised history in his mind and replaced observed reality with his own so he now believes in him self that, no, he was never banned from this place, it was all just a technical glitch and bad dream.

    Poor m0nty.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    unwiped freckles

    Three being the number of stones, permitted the faithful, for the cleansing of that orifice , not two, not four, but three..

  31. rickw

    Wonder how long before Roselands starts to introduce sharia law for the shire?

    Great time to be in the crane truck business!

    Hangings every Sunday at the footy oval, just need to hose it off and your ready for regular work again on Monday.

    Nice little earner!

    I can’t wait until the borders of the Sharia Councils make contact with the borders of the SJW Councils.

  32. Fergus

    Cultural/state sanctioned polygamy has got to be a violation of human rights. It deliberately disenfranchises many men and if women can do it too many women. If women can’t do it, then it’s sexist.

  33. JC

    Twostix
    #2494014, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    When m0nty was banned from posting here (like Bird is), he tried to create his own political blog, and on his own political blog he posted about….

    Catallaxyfiles.

    So sad.

    Stepford does that. He’s obsessed with the Cat.

  34. JC

    Go and abuse him, Stix. He loves the attention and he only has Homer Paxton as a commenter, which would drive anyone bonkers.

  35. twostix

    Yup and when the baby boomers die off we are in for a huge irreversible demographic shift in areas of our biggest cities. Like Western Sydney, have extended family there who are seem to be moving further and further out every time I hear of them.

    It seems like they’re building an entire new city north of Brisbane for all the white people fleeing the mandatorily diversified northern suburbs to go to.

  36. egg_

    IIRC, Sinc stated that I was never banned, there was a technical mix up that led me to think I was. I can’t remember the exact details, something about IP addresses or emails.

    Didn’t Sinc report it as a ‘self-imposed’ banning?
    Get your story straight, we’re not all goldfish.

  37. Boambee John

    #2493987, posted on September 10, 2017 at 8:46 pm

    Muddy at 1911

    Next up: Tying shoelaces.

    Reminds me of a navigator joke.

    F-111 pilot and navigater getting ready to go.

    “Right navigator, let’s go over this again. First a loop”
    “Right boss, first a loop”
    “Good navigator, then another loop”
    “Right boss, then a second loop”
    “Then we roll over and tuck under”
    “Yeah boss, then roll over and tuck under”
    “Very good navigator, now for the other shoe”

    Snork!
    “Sorry mate. Today’s sortie is off. Your Navigator called in sick. ”
    “What! Can’t you just get another one out of stores and inflate it for me?”

  38. Marcus Classis

    I wondered why the first Costco here went in at Northlands, twostix.

    Bloody white privilege….

  39. srr

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  40. Snoopy

    Stix, thanks for the link to Monty’s Loaded Duodenum blog. It makes great reading! A sample:

    In itself, those things won’t change living standards for African-Americans but it is an early and vital manifestation of anti-racist strength that will eventually get other things achieved, most notably through the #BlackLivesMatter movement which will shift the Democratic policy platform and thus affect policy of the forthcoming Clinton administration.

  41. twostix

    The managerial rat-faced men want to stack the cities with their imported third world tribal foot soldiers to provide a buffer between them and us. But they know that they still need white people to do actual work for them.

    So they build us little ghettos 10-20km from the urban edges and make the commute 45 – 60 minutes so it’s short enough to be just bearable and just long enough that there is no time left for anything else in the day (like mass hangings).

  42. cohenite

    Gab

    #2494025, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:24 pm

    Those muslims elected to the council, how many of them have dual citizenship?

    All of them; actually, they don’t have dual citizenship because islam regards any mitigation of Islamic absolutism as apostasy and punishable by death. Muslim politicians have no other priority than islam.

    Muslims are focused and organised. That grinning moron tony burka is typical of the peace in our time kumbaya approach of all non-muslim politicians. Muslims are disproportionally represented in political positions now in Australia. If only Blair Cottrell was in parliament.

  43. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    “Sorry mate. Today’s sortie is off. Your Navigator called in sick. ”
    “What! Can’t you just get another one out of stores and inflate it for me?”

    Supposedly a confidential report done on a officer in the Royal Marines –

    “This man’s troops would follow him anywhere, if only out of curiosity.”

  44. Fisky

    In itself, those things won’t change living standards for African-Americans but it is an early and vital manifestation of anti-racist strength that will eventually get other things achieved, most notably through the #BlackLivesMatter movement which will shift the Democratic policy platform and thus affect policy of the forthcoming Clinton administration.

    PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s a classic wrongology from the m0nster!

  45. srr

    Paul Joseph Watson‏Verified account @PrisonPlanet 16h16 hours ago
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    Just the BBC normalising acid attacks.

    BBC TrendingVerified account @BBCtrending
    How do you do your make-up after an acid attack? http://bbc.in/2xbeLs1

  46. “What! Can’t you just get another one out of stores and inflate it for me?”

    “This man’s troops would follow him anywhere, if only out of curiosity.”

    Thanks troops for the belly laugh for the day

    Well done

  47. twostix

    Stepford does that. He’s obsessed with the Cat.

    Speaking of Stevie, If I recall, it was actually Steve from Brisbane that had the self imposed banning and “technical glitch”.

    What is seems is happening is that m0nty is appropriating Steve from Brisbanes cultural history and making all that stuff his own.

    This is getting weird man.

  48. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thanks troops for the belly laugh for the day

    Certain officer I had the misfortune to serve under, had the nickname of “Jungles” – ‘wet, green and dense.”

  49. egg_

    ‘The Obesity Myth’ on SBS
    Fatties shifting the blame to Junk Food.

  50. Certain officer I had the misfortune to serve under, had the nickname of “Jungles” – ‘wet, green and dense.”

    I had the pleasure to serve on a minor war vessel out of Cairns/Darwin the CO and XO were called Psycho and the bitch

    And yes they were

  51. max

    ABC radio this morning had a program on AI.

    Lots of applications in security. Shopping malls can dispense with human security guards. Up to 500 robots will be on patrol in big shopping centres .

    ‘What do they look like ?’

    ‘They’re big cones between one and two metres high, weighing 500 kg.’

    FMD.

    Imagine them lining up across exits to check your ID as you come out of Coles.

    Apparently an experimental version ran over a kid in a shopping mall.

    Oops.

  52. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I had the pleasure to serve on a minor war vessel out of Cairns/Darwin the CO and XO were called Psycho and the bitch

    What ever happened to the rather scathing Australian nicknames – a platoon sergeant whose nickname was “Singlet” – “always on your back?”

  53. srr

    TywysogKek‏ @NidgeCZJ 53m53 minutes ago
    Replying to @Wilkosdidgit @AMDWaters

    On entering Old Trafford, 70,000 white people searched by mostly Muslim security staff due to Islamic terror. How does that make sense

  54. twostix

    ‘They’re big cones between one and two metres high, weighing 500 kg.’

    So no change from the average shopping centre security guard then?

  55. JC

    Speaking of Stevie, If I recall, it was actually Steve from Brisbane that had the self imposed banning and “technical glitch”.

    Yea, Step banned himself and now fulminates from his own unread blog. I suggested to him to stop reading the Cat as it makes him too upset and could make him cry. he’s as warm as ever on the Gerbiling side. Homer eggs him on. Homer’s upset because he received a partial ban of sorts for being stupid. Homer’s one of the few people that I know of who’s been banned for stupidity at several blogs. Seriously, he’s been banned for being a horrendous dim bulb.

  56. egg_

    Stepford does that. He’s obsessed with the Cat.

    Weren’t they both dissing the Cat on Shitfer’s blog at one stage?
    Gave Munster ideas?

  57. twostix

    In reality shopping centre security in 2017 is exclusively lesbians who think that 15 year old boys haircuts and clothing fashion is the pinnacle of human existence and Muslims.

  58. val majkus

    At a Nationals conference in Canberra this weekend, attendees voted up a motion to eliminate subsidies for renewable energy

    egg we had a discussion this morning on what that sentence means; I think it means voted on a motion … what the result of that vote is I don’t know

  59. egg_

    val majkus
    #2494067, posted on September 10, 2017 at 10:22 pm

    I think it was upheld, that’s why Shorten was critical – something to the effect of ‘silly older buggers’ in the National Party.

  60. Zatara

    My least favorite CO was assigned the callsign Jabba by the LPA (Lieutenants Protective Association). He let it be known that he wasn’t at all happy about it, which of course carved it in stone for the rest of his career.

    Some other apocryphal fitness report comments:
    – Has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction.
    – The only ship this Officer may be qualified for is citizenship.
    – Snuck into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn’t looking.
    – If you stand close to him you can hear the ocean.

  61. egg_

    The National Party has used its federal conference in Canberra to call on the Federal Government to eliminate subsidies for renewable energy.

    The plan involves freezing subsidies at their current levels for 12 months, then phasing them out entirely over five years.

    Former Nationals senator Ron Boswell spoke passionately in favour of the motion before it passed.

  62. Oh come on

    Oh dear oh dear m0nty seems to think people here care about him. The movers and the shakers of the blog. They’ve all got a soft spot for ol’ m0nts and couldn’t bear to see his departure.

  63. val majkus

    I think it was upheld, that’s why Shorten was critical – something to the effect of ‘silly older buggers’ in the National Party.

    thanks egg, at least heading towards sensible, now to scrap the RET and CET

  64. Oh dear oh dear m0nty seems to think people here care about him.

    Worst. Carly Simon cover band. Ever.

  65. val majkus

    now wait to hear the wails from the renewable industries

  66. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Some other apocryphal fitness report comments:
    – Has carried out each and every one of his duties to his entire satisfaction.
    – The only ship this Officer may be qualified for is citizenship.
    – Snuck into the gene pool when the lifeguard wasn’t looking.
    – If you stand close to him you can hear the ocean.

    True story. For non military Cats -Concluding any course you complete in the military, you get a “course report.” It’s like a school report “Could have achieved higher standards” “Commanded men well, led from the front.”

    One of the finest practical jokes ever played in the A.D.F was the substitution of an actual “course report” with a well thought out forgery.

    “(This man) tried hard, but failed to achieve the most basic standards of the course. I am unable to report on his level of work, as he has done none. NOT be employed as an (airborne potato peeler), in fact I would question his ability to serve Her Majesty in any capacity whatsoever, except in the most basic role.”

    Fell for it like a bucket, didn’t you Bluey! …

  67. srr

    There is NO “reason” to hit a woman…Right?

    Bill discusses the constant media brainwashing on how there is NEVER a reason to hit a woman.. or is there.

  68. egg_

    now wait to hear the wails from the renewable industries

    Let’s hope the Nats are the Trojans on this issue for all our sakes.

  69. val majkus

    Let’s hope the Nats are the Trojans on this issue for all our sakes.

    egg, at least they’re devoting some attention to priority issues rather than listening to all that noise coming from the SSM lobbyists

  70. Harlequin Decline

    What ever happened to the rather scathing Australian nicknames – a platoon sergeant whose nickname was “Singlet” – “always on your back?”

    A team leader called ‘Bootlaces’ because he got so far up the boss’s arse that was all that was visible.

  71. Myrddin Seren
    #2494008, posted on September 10, 2017 at 9:13 pm
    The ancient name “Lilith” derives from a Sumerian word for female demons…

    Now, all these years later, do I get the Frasier joke.

  72. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A team leader called ‘Bootlaces’ because he got so far up the boss’s arse that was all that was visible.

    Western Australia has a new Labor Premier, an ex – Navy lawyer, nicknamed “Sneakers” McGowan for exactly that reason.

  73. Snoopy

    Is it just me or is Irma proving to be a bit of a disappointment for the US media? It’s being described as the worst storm anywhere on Earth for 2017.

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A team leader called ‘Bootlaces’ because he got so far up the boss’s arse that was all that was visible.

    A project manager called “Thrombosis” – slow moving clot.

  75. egg_

    at least they’re devoting some attention to priority issues rather than listening to all that noise coming from the SSM lobbyists

    Self preservation?
    Focus groups may have told them they’re facing an Electoral routing on their current (renewables-induced high electricity prices) trajectory?

  76. Harlequin Decline

    ZK2A,

    A project manager called “Thrombosis” – slow moving clot.

    Very clever, I haven’t heard that one before.

  77. Mark A

    jupes
    #2494081, posted on September 10, 2017 at 10:45 pm

    What is it with sports administrators?

    Even chess is run by fuckwits.

    No fuckwittery about that, I follow chess and chess tournaments closely, it was deliberate.
    I compare it with magic water in greyhound racing.
    Try to win a game of chess after being abused and upset like that.

    That organiser should be rubbed out for ever, I bet he had some juicy side bets going.

  78. Harlequin Decline

    Shared a house with a girl who had this large fat female friend. The LFFF had a tall skinny boyfriend whose nickname was ‘Superslug’ due to the (cough) size of his equipment.

  79. Andrew

    In itself, those things won’t change living standards for African-Americans but it is an early and vital manifestation of anti-racist strength that will eventually get other things achieved, most notably through the #BlackLivesMatter movement which will shift the Democratic policy platform and thus affect policy of the forthcoming Clinton administration.

    That may be the least accurate paragraph ever written

  80. val majkus

    dunno egg, Barnaby’s still on about wind farms

  81. Mike of Marion

    Marc Marquez can ride a motorbike for sure.

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Shared a house with a girl who had this large fat female friend

    There was a service woman in the Australian Defence Forces, nicknamed “Touchmeforehead.”

    All you did was touch the ladies forehead, and her knickers fell off. I never indulged, but she did appear at the alter, on her wedding day, in white…

  83. srr

    BOOM!

    ‘Gitmo’ Bama‏ @President1Trump 2h2 hours ago

    BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules Islam BANNED In Public Schools – New Trump Admin Appointee Gorsuch Made The Difference

    The decision has been cast by the Supreme Court that Islam will NOT be taught in American Public schools; the deciding vote was cast by none other than new Trump appointee, Neil Gorsuch. The decision is based on the premise that Shariah Law (or any ideology) that conflicts with basic human rights should not be taught in schools.

    Gorsuch made a statement that will inspire as many people as it annoys: “We should (n’t) be teaching any religions in this country besides standard Judaeo-Christianity, as our founders wanted, and we certainly shouldn’t be filling the children with lies about Islam being a ‘religion of peace’ when they see the carnage on the news almost every day.”

    It’s a strong point he makes, but one that is represented in the nation’s founding documents. Whether or not you believe that schools should be teaching ANY religion is not really the point; the United States IS culturally Judeo-Christian. And the fact that are so many atheists actually proves this. In no other religion on the planet are there such things as atheists; it is a creation of the Judeo-Christian culture.

    Shariah law is a bad thing. It casts women as second class citizens, it is brutal in its punishments, and it does not fit in with the laws and Constitution of the United States.

    President Trump winning the election was an important moment; without that win, the latest Supreme Court Justice would likely have voted the other way allowing the Radical aspects of Islam to be taught in schools. We got lucky this time.

    When then-Republican candidate Donald Trump spoke across the nation at countless rallies of how important it was for a Republican to win the presidential nomination, so that a conservative Supreme Court Justice could be nominated to preserve the court’s balance of power, little did the left realize just how important that one single issue was for traditional conservatives. And regardless of what the left threw in their attempt to denigrate the Trump candidacy, conservatives realized that our Republic was at stake, and whatever differences we had with one another without a balanced Supreme Court, that values our Constitution as written by our Founding Fathers, America would be doomed.

    Moreover just how close we came was apparent in the recent Supreme Court decision handed down just recently when for the first time the full panel of 9-justices came together to decide on the fate of Islam being taught within our public school system.

    The drama being played out behind closed doors and away from the public, was no doubt a reaffirmation of America’s principles as defined within our Founding Documents, that radical and dangerous doctrines such as Sharia Law or any ideology that contradicts basic human rights, will not be a part of America’s curriculum within our public schools.

    The 5-4 ruling illustrated just how important the election of President Trump was and his pick of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.

    Judge Gorsuch wrote, “The government certainly has no business being involved in religion, but this isn’t a government issue or a religious issue. This is about the judicial branch interpreting the laws as they apply to the teaching of religion. We should be teaching any religions in this country besides standard Judaeo-Christianity, as our founders wanted, and we certainly shouldn’t be filling the children with lies about Islam being a ‘religion of peace’ when they see the carnage on the news almost every day.”

    Ironically Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch cast the tie-breaking vote that decided the only part of Islamic history, is the “true historical account” of Radical Islam and the true teachings of Sharia Law upon a civil society.

  84. val majkus

    Marc Marquez can ride a motorbike for sure.

    very exciting last 3 laps Mike! In those conditions

  85. cohenite

    Ironically Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch cast the tie-breaking vote that decided the only part of Islamic history, is the “true historical account” of Radical Islam and the true teachings of Sharia Law upon a civil society.

    Great stuff.

  86. cohenite

    Oh, oh, that news about Gorsuch and schools and islam may be fake news.

  87. Fisky

    srr
    #2494101, posted on September 10, 2017 at 11:35 pm
    BOOM!

    ‘Gitmo’ Bama‏ @President1Trump 2h2 hours ago

    BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules Islam BANNED In Public Schools – New Trump Admin Appointee Gorsuch Made The Difference

    Why am I not surprised to see Kremlin-bot SRR promoting obvious fake news?

  88. Fisky

    Beautiful news from Denmark! This is how it must be in every Western country.

    Denmark Suspends Refugee Resettlement Under UN Program

    Denmark won’t allow any refugees into the country this year under a United Nations program and will seek flexibility in determining how many may resettle in the future instead of a set quota, the Ministry of Immigration and Integration said.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-09/denmark-suspends-refugee-resettlement-under-un-program

  89. Dave in Marybrook

    Just heard Shorten launching the SSM rally- a bit surprised that, amongst all sorts of “equality” mush, he invoked the full “LGBTIQ”.
    I hope someone invites him to elaborate on how the Bs in that acronym- the bisexuals- will be accommodated. Seeing as love is love, and all love is equal, marriage is love, and sex is love, surely it follows to legalize polygamy?

  90. Zatara

    Is it just me or is Irma proving to be a bit of a disappointment for the US media? It’s being described as the worst storm anywhere on Earth for 2017.

    Give it another 24 hours Snoopy. When Irma hits the massive low lying retirement communities of southwest Florida things could get really ugly. One story Ranch style houses built in canal communities less than 10 feet above sea-level don’t mix well with storm surges. (In the owners defense no hurricane has struck that area in decades so the real estate developers had a field day with retirees newly arrived from up north… the ‘redneck’ locals live in stilt houses of course).

    Search ‘Marco Island’, ‘Naples’, ‘Sanibel’, or especially ‘Cape Coral’ on Google Earth to see what I mean.

  91. Bruce in WA

    You know, sometimes I feel like it’s not worth keeping up the struggle.

    I feel like that tonight.

  92. Bruce in WA

    Stay strong Bruce.

    Everything is always just … out … of …reach.

  93. Get a stepladder Bruce. You can do it, get those Tim Tams off the shelf.

  94. Bruce in WA

    Don’t eat Tim-Tams, Monty. But thanks for the analogy.

  95. Yeah, they were metaphorical Tim Tams.

    Maybe Iced Vovos are your jam, so to speak.

  96. Bruce in WA

    Thanks, Monty. Just think the black dog has arrived. Sometimes his bite is worse than his bark.

  97. Bruce in WA

    ‘Night all. Will see if a Restavit will help me get over it and get a night’s sleep. Hope so. Don’t want to upset my wife, but fuck, I feel awful 🙂

  98. Fisky

    I can see that OldOzzie has an almost identical style and formatting to confirmed Kremlin troll SRR. Very interesting!

  99. C.L.

    Since the death of his hero, General Suharto, Greg Sheridan has been searching for a new love:

    There’s method in Kim’s madness

    GREG SHERIDAN
    The North Korean dictator is actually a pretty remarkable human being with immense hidden abilities.

  100. Bruce, if humour helps I just spent a delightful hour watching Bill Burr’s anti-PC stand up comedy on YouTube.
    Might be a diversion for you.

  101. Sleep well, Bruce. That dog comes for us all at times. Hope you are getting support.

  102. Irma back up to a Cat 4 as it makes landfall in Florida. Sustained winds of 110kph and gusting up to 150kph reported.

  103. The comments section is interesting. Apparently adultery is grounds for divorce in the UK, but only in opposite sex marriages. Same sex marriages must use other grounds. For adultery to happen, you need a penis and a vagina. But not for marriage to happen.

    This is the sort of incoherence that occurs when people simply give way to emotive demands without ever actually thinking about the matter clearly and coherently.

  104. Mitch M.

    Why do antidepressants take so long to work?

    This is a very clever approach to the problem that fits into some ideas I am trying to develop. Very speculative, currently awaiting advice from some old pals still in the game to see if I’m making sense because at my age only an idiot trusts their intuition in such matters.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    Sean Delonas.

    Hehe…the howling of the climate bedwetters as reported by Climate Depot and Breitbart is ear splitting at the moment despite abundant evidence that (a) CO2 doesn’t cause extreme weather and (b) that Trump has been in office for a whole eight months. How’s he supposed to have caused a bunch of hurricanes in such a short time? Or at all? Especially when the Dems are hobbling him with glacial approval of his team members and obstruction at every turn?

  106. 132andBush

    BoN,
    It’s a glaring example of how deeply unhinged these people are.

  107. Tintarella di Luna

    This is the sort of incoherence that occurs when people simply give way to emotive demands without ever actually thinking about the matter clearly and coherently.

    Just read Fatty O’Barrell’s “yes” campaign speech for the Liberal Party — he claims that it is ONLY about love — what a shallow knob, always was, always will be.

  108. rickw

    Just read Fatty O’Barrell’s “yes” campaign speech for the Liberal Party — he claims that it is ONLY about love — what a shallow knob, always was, always will be.

    If it was all about love they could all just elope and leave everyone else the hell alone.

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    ‘Night all. Will see if a Restavit will help me get over it and get a night’s sleep. Hope so. Don’t want to upset my wife, but fuck, I feel awful 🙂

    Bruce in WA, I hope you are feeling better when you read this today. Lots here get attacked by the Black Dog. I am lucky that he never gets anywhere near me. I was attacked by an actual black dog as a child and perhaps this was sufficient unto the day. No scars, but my clothes were ripped off my little back.

    As for Tim Tams, how dare Monty suggest such things on a site read by a lady who has overindulged in cruise food for nearly fourteen days and now needs to work on doing up her zips once more.

    I am off to an early morning dance class to start on The Program. Bruce, a nice walk is always very up-cheering too. The body constantly needs to have a metabolic challenge; even a walk will do it.

  110. cohenite

    Tom

    #2494149, posted on September 11, 2017 at 4:03 am

    Ben Garrison.

    Don’t know why but that one really resonates.

  111. A Lurker

    ABC radio this morning had a program on AI.
    Lots of applications in security. Shopping malls can dispense with human security guards. Up to 500 robots will be on patrol in big shopping centres .
    ‘What do they look like ?’
    ‘They’re big cones between one and two metres high, weighing 500 kg.’

    Like these?

  112. Snoopy

    Don’t know why but that one really resonates.

    I can’t see Lois Lerner in that swamp.

    🙁

  113. OldOzzie

    Power price debacle illustrates lack of understanding

    Nothing better illustrates the lack of public policy expertise in the media and government than the debacle over power prices.

    Moral posturing about climate change so infected thinking on issues of power generation that former prime minister Kevin Rudd in all seriousness declared that “climate change is the great moral challenge of our time”.

    Not the upheavals in Iraq and later Syria, not the rise of Islamic terrorism, not global poverty or even the destruction of farming lands and forests in the third world.

    Such posturing reached a high point when the former director of the left wing Australia Institute, Clive Hamilton, suggested this paper — and me personally — could face criminal charges for the “crime’’ of scepticism on climate issues. As I tried to explain to Hamilton in writing, the paper was, like rational Danish environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg, keen on economically sound solutions to issues and did not believe in suppressing dissenting views.

    The Australian’s editor-at-large Paul Kelly was among the first to bell the cat on the potential perverse effects renewables, then called the mandatory renewable energy target, would have in combination with an emissions trading scheme.

    Climate alarmists should have understood this first year economics. Trading schemes are about lowest-priced carbon abatement.

    Mandated renewables have the opposite effect, by bidding up prices of conventional power to pay for incentives to renewables investors.

    Often the justification for this policy has been polling that suggests people like clean energy. Of course they do, until asked if they are prepared to double their power bills to get it.

    And it was not just Rudd or former PM Julia Gillard’s carbon tax broken promise. The conservatives have been just as bad.

    As late as last week three hosts on Sky News, all correct in their criticism of renewables, allowed former prime minister Tony Abbott chief of staff Peta Credlin to blame Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull for the present 28 per cent renewable energy target (RET). She should have remembered she was the chief of staff who introduced the policy under Abbott.

    Turnbull does not get off the hook. He bought the whole moralising line of Rudd between 2008 and 2010 and even crossed the floor to support an emissions trading scheme after he had lost the opposition leadership.

    It is unsurprising Turnbull, a former merchant banker, supports the RET. Most bankers do.

    I have a friend, a merchant banker, who has invested a large part of his personal fortune in wind farms in Europe. They are crap policy, he admits freely, but guaranteed by government legislation to produce a high rate of return.

    As The Australian’s environment editor Graham Lloyd wrote for the umpteenth time here on Friday, wind just cannot be relied on to provide “despatchable capability”. Or as this paper has argued correctly for 10 years, renewables cannot provide baseload power and battery storage technology is not sufficiently developed.

    This brings us to the gullible media reaction to a tweet last week from AGL’s US -born chief executive Andy Vesey, who won applause from Fairfax Media, The Guardian and ABC for appearing to rebuff Turnbull on suggestions the company’s Liddell power plant in the NSW Hunter Valley should not necessarily be mothballed in 2022.

    This was in response to a report from the Australian Energy Market Operator that pointed out the national electricity market was heading towards a shortfall of despatchable power and might face more blackouts. Left-wing journalists love that AGL has said it is getting out of coal.

    But not until 2050. At the moment, it only makes about 7 per cent of its profits from renewables.

    Just like BP, which at the start of the century rebranded itself “Beyond Petroleum”, such exercises are designed for applause of the political left.

    The Australian on Thursday and Friday revealed Vesey has hired a couple of senior people committed to renewables.

    One, Skye Laris, is formerly of activist group GetUp! and a one-time Labor staffer, and another, head of government relations Tony Chappel, is a graduate of Al Gore’s climate leadership program.

    This may seem odd for a company using so much coal, until you remember both sides of politics have talked the language of renewables and the end of fossil fuels for a decade.

    Our energy policy is mad for a country with the world’s largest supplies of high-quality steaming coal, among the best natural gas reserves on the planet and 40 per cent of the world’s uranium. Oh, and we are the world’s No 1 exporter of all three commodities.

    This paper warned the Rudd government we would be exporting our electricity intensive manufacturing industries if we plunged headlong into renewables. Guess what? They have largely gone.

    None of this is a condemnation of privatisation as Labor leader Bill Shorten kept squawking last week.

    The steepest power price rises this year have been in Queensland, where the generators are still in state ownership.

    And US power is so cheap, even though in private ownership, precisely because it harnessed its gas reserves while we failed to use ours to our own advantage.

    Australia should have stuck to the original scenario envisaged by Howard at the 2007 election.

    A market mechanism would have priced carbon and gradually made new gas baseload generation feasible. Gas has half the carbon intensity of coal and would have ensured we met our carbon reduction targets.

    As carbon trading prices rose over decades this market would have facilitated the growth of renewables so that by the time mass battery storage was feasible we would have presided over an orderly transition.

    And just as US power prices are a fraction of ours now, our own would have been a fraction of what they are today.

    But don’t believe coal is dead. More than 1500 new efficient coal-fired plants are being planned or already under construction worldwide.

    And don’t believe what loud populists say about fracking. It is used safely around the world. Never believe the left’s lies on climate alarmism. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports do not predict the scenarios many Greens say they do. They are cautious on individual extreme weather events and sea level rises.

    While rich people fill their roofs with solar panels that just transfer costs to the poor, this does nothing for the climate because Australia represents only 1.3 per cent of global emissions. But it makes baseload power generation less feasible, less reliable and more expensive for consumers.</em>

  114. cohenite

    Snoopy

    #2494180, posted on September 11, 2017 at 7:27 am

    Don’t know why but that one really resonates.

    I can’t see Lois Lerner in that swamp.

    🙁

    Someone is probably standing on her head.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-09/republicans-furious-after-doj-declines-charge-lois-lerner

  115. Top Ender

    ‘No’ vote best for human flourishing
    MARK COLERIDGEThe Australian12:00AM September 11, 2017

    I’ve been told people are looking for guidance on same-sex marriage as we move towards the postal vote. That may be so, though I suspect that most people have already made up their mind on the issue and, if they’re looking for anything, they’re wanting some authority to support their position publicly. But that’s not really what I want to do here. By now the arguments for and against same-sex marriage are well enough known to those who want to know them, even if much of the debate has been too shallow or slick to do justice to the deeper issues. So there’s no need for me to go over well-trodden ground. But in a debate where the language has often been slippery it may help to clarify a few points that can be unclear. I wrote something like what follows a while ago. In the meantime, the debate has become more complex and heated, so I’ve made a few changes to take account of that.

    Is same-sex marriage about love?

    There are many forms of love — parent-child, siblings, friends, carers and so on. But not all are nuptial. In fact, only one form of love is nuptial — the love of man and woman which is free, lifelong and open to children. Other forms of love may indeed be love and often are. That means that they have value, yes; but it doesn’t mean that they are or could become marriage.

    Is it about equality?

    It’s true that all human beings are equal. But that doesn’t mean they are the same. Same-sex marriage ideology implies that equality means sameness. But it doesn’t. I may be different, but I’m still equal. Marriage policy has almost always “discriminated” against certain people: parents can’t marry their children, brother and sister can’t marry, those under age can’t marry. Nor can people of the same sex. That doesn’t make them any less equal.

    Is it about civil rights?

    Here the link is made to women’s rights and racial equality. But the law already offers ample protection for people in same-sex unions in a way that wasn’t true of women or people of other races in earlier times. Are people in same-sex unions excluded from voting, entering shops or using public transport? Justice can be done to people in same-sex unions and their human dignity can be respected without resorting to an artificially constructed “right” to marry.

    Are heterosexuality and homosexuality equivalent?

    In the construction of any human society, heterosexuality has been privileged because it alone can secure the future by producing children. Only a society which sees children as optional and the future as something of no great concern would see heterosexuality and homosexuality as equivalent.

    Are children an optional extra?

    Without resorting to extraordinary measures, same-sex couples can’t produce children — not just because of age or sterility but because of biological impossibility. Yet bringing children to birth and raising them in a stable environment is fundamental to marriage, which remains true even if a married couple can’t conceive. The two purposes of marriage are unitive and procreative. They are deeply interrelated. Yet same-sex marriage would separate them radically, which means that it can’t be marriage.

    Is marriage only about two individuals?

    Marriage has always been regarded as essentially social, binding families together in new configurations and serving as the basic cell in constructing a human society which has a future. Marriage is a social institution. That’s why it’s important to speak of the common good when speaking of marriage; it’s also why same-sex marriage ideology focuses much more on supposed individual rights than on the common good.

    Do gender and biology matter?

    Same-sex marriage ideology says that gender difference is a social construct and that it doesn’t matter for marriage. It also says that the body, or biology, is of no final significance. This is linked to a denial of “nature” — to a sense that anything may be “natural” or “unnatural”. It implies a refusal to accept that there are any “givens” and an insistence that autonomous individuals can make of themselves what they will.

    Has humanity got marriage wrong until recently?

    Same-sex marriage ideology is a dramatic form of the Western myth of progress which the facts of history have never confirmed. It seems arrogant or ignorant to claim that all cultures through the millenniums have been wrong on this fundamental point. Not that every society has got marriage right in every way. But societies have agreed that marriage is between a man and a woman. To disregard this time-tested, cross-cultural wisdom is to succumb to the amnesia which is one of our cultural wounds.

    Will the non-Western world eventually catch up with the West?

    Non-Western cultures are often perplexed by the push for same-sex marriage in the West, but this isn’t necessarily a sign that they are less civilised — even though the West tends to think that the rest of the world, if it isn’t like the West, either should be or will be eventually. It may well be that non-Western cultures will help preserve for humanity values which were once fundamental to Western cultures.

    Are those who don’t favour same-sex marriage homophobic and bigoted?

    It’s possible to oppose same-sex marriage in ways that are respectful and open-minded. But in an ideologically conditioned world of “all or nothing” or “black and white”, those who oppose same-sex marriage are often denigrated in an attempt to discredit or silence them. There’s a violence in this, which is resistant to the truthful debate we need.

    A former federal minister once claimed that truth counted for little in Australian politics. That may be so. But truth surely counts for much when a society and its political leaders are making decisions about something as fundamentally important as marriage. That’s why the claims made by those pushing for same-sex marriage are an unreliable basis for a decision which is much more than political. This debate is about the meaning of marriage, and that’s why it’s important that everyone has their say in the postal vote. I’ll be voting No, not because I wish ill of any kind on those in same-sex unions who have the same need for love and the same right to happiness as anyone else. I’ll be voting No because I think it’s the only way available of affirming values which are fundamental to true human flourishing and of guarding against unwanted consequences in the long term. A No vote may seem negative but, in a debate where things have rarely been what they seem, No is Yes and Yes is No.

    Mark Coleridge is the Archbishop of Brisbane.

    Oz link – comments open

  116. calli

    Excellent piece by Coleridge. Now stand back for the barrage of hysterics.

  117. Baldrick

    Ben Garrison.

    Top left, the Soros Vulture. Classic.

  118. srr

    Fisky
    #2494105, posted on September 10, 2017 at 11:43 pm
    srr
    #2494101, posted on September 10, 2017 at 11:35 pm
    BOOM!

    ‘Gitmo’ Bama‏ @President1Trump 2h2 hours ago

    BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules Islam BANNED In Public Schools – New Trump Admin Appointee Gorsuch Made The Difference

    Why am I not surprised to see Kremlin-bot SRR promoting obvious fake news?

    Why am I not surprised you were too stupid to keep your mouth shut about obvious fake news, after all of you working so hard to ignore a hell of a lot of serious real news?

    btw, how that bloke from NZ and his very public figure daughter going, oh, and all those other mates who have been shitting and scrambling and … sorry, but the shaking, sifting and sorting continues, and electronic data collection mobs are not the lead pack nor final arbiters

  119. Snoopy

    Excellent piece by Coleridge.

    Trolling with the truth. The bigotty bigot.

  120. Trump kicks another goal, sacks a committee of climate alarmist parasites.

    No one will work for Trump anymore = taxpayer $aving$.

  121. Snoopy

    Why am I not surprised you were too stupid to keep your mouth shut about obvious fake news, after all of you working so hard to ignore a hell of a lot of serious real news?

    Don’t ever change, srr.

  122. alexnoaholdmate

    Well, a quick Google says that indeed these abortion funders are called the Lilith Fund.

    There is an old J o o ish tradition that Lilith was the first wife of Adam, was seduced by Satan, and bore Adam Cain from this union.

    That is why medieval monsters such as Grendel are referred to as “children of Cain” – they are bred from a monster.

  123. Snoopy

    It’s not very often that someone bests Fisky, but srr has done it standing on his head!

  124. Cat Crazy Cat Lady inane rambling #302,884

    btw, how that bloke from NZ and his very public figure daughter going, oh, and all those other mates who have been shitting and scrambling and … sorry, but the shaking, sifting and sorting continues, and electronic data collection mobs are not the lead pack nor final arbiters

    Does any one understand any of that? It’s as nonsensical as Muttley is wrong.

  125. notafan

    The 11.35 pm about Gorusch banning teaching of islam in US schools is false, I’d call it Fake News, but it isn’t even a spin, just out and out made up.

    Any search on Gorusch islam schools will confirm

  126. notafan

    I’m late to the party I see.

    Interesting that the poster didn’t bother with a linky.

    Not the first time absolute nonsense had been posted.

    That Paul L Williams ‘Vatican Exposed’ Mafia Cia was another egregious example of a pack of lies being presented as worthy of consideration..

  127. lotocoti

    Does any one understand any of that?

    Yes.
    But you have to use Vigenère’s le chiffre indéchiffrable to read it.
    The cipher key comes as no surprise.

  128. OldOzzie

    CUT & PASTE
    Abbott adds energy crisis to list of things that are his fault

    The Guardian’s Katherine Murphy gives the nation a “history of energy policy” lecture on Insiders, yesterday:

    In terms of culprits of what’s gone wrong in the energy policy in Australia over the last 10 years, it is wrong, it is not only misleading, wrong, to say that Labor are the cause of what’s occurred.

    Labor is not to blame for the energy crisis? Its devotion to unstable renewable power has nothing to do with it? The Australian, March 21:

    South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill has lashed out over the state’s energy crisis, claiming Labor’s relentless pursuit of renewables had no impact on the power grid and independent ­advice to government in 2009 warning of destabilisation from increased wind power had been proven wrong.

    Labor’s crackdown on gas exploration isn’t contributing in any way to the energy crisis? The Australian, August 31 last year:

    The Andrews government has abandoned a ­national approach by announcing a ban on fracking and extraction of coal-seam, shale and so-called tight gas, ­while Victoria’s manufacturers are crying out for more gas ­supply.

    Murph is going to set us all straight. The Guardian Australia political editor on Insiders, yesterday:

    The specific problems we’re talking about in the energy market right now, here is what happened …

    Here it comes … Murphy on Insiders, continued:

    Tony Abbott removed a market mechanism …

    We suspected that was coming … Murphy’s eulogy for Julia Gillard’s carbon price on Guardian Australia, July 17, 2014:

    I have been a supporter of carbon pricing since I first understood it was a valid public policy response to constraining carbon pollution.

    The then opposition minister’s promise to the Australian people. Abbott in Sydney, February 27, 2011:

    If the Coalition wins the next election, you can be absolutely confident that there will be no mining tax and no carbon tax.

    After all, he wouldn’t want to make Julia Gillard’s mistake. The then-prime minister on Channel Ten News, August 16, 2010:

    There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.

    OK, OK, he messed up there … Abbott on SBS World News, September 6, 2013:

    No cuts to health, no cuts to education, no cuts to the ABC and SBS.

    But Murphy’s continued longing for the hated carbon tax astounds us. Guardian Australia, July 17, 2014:

    I know Abbott went to the election promising to scrap this policy. Of course the prime minister should be congratulated for upholding his election promises as a point of principle. But given he’s broken so many other election promises, I wish he’d added this to the list. This would have been a terrific election commitment to break.

    Maybe Murphy will get some sympathy at one of Benjamin Law’s leftie dinner parties … The Fairfax columnist in Good Weekend, Saturday:

    Recently I was at a dinner party in Sydney where the guests were people like me.

    That’s the most Fairfax sentence ever written … Good Weekend, continued:

    … inner-city professionals … working in the media or arts …

  129. It’s not very often that someone bests Fisky, but srr has done it standing on his head!

    Fisky got pwned. You can’t argue with USSR’s logic.

  130. OldOzzie

    Apply corporate taxes to unions, employer groups – GRACE COLLIER

    In this year’s budget, the federal government endorsed a “tax transparency code”. This accomplished nothing other than to make life easier for the enemies of free enterprise.

    The TTC applies to all businesses with an aggregated Australian turnover of $100 million or more. Companies in this category are asked to file a report and make public information that once was only ever provided to the Australian Taxation Office. Companies are asked to report and upload on to the internet for everyone to see, their profit, tax expense, income tax paid or income tax payable.

    This information, on how much profit a business has made and how much tax it paid, is of no use to anyone other than those wishing to harm the business concerned. Competitors find it useful and so do internet activists who have taken a moral bent against the goods or services a business provides.

    In particular, trade unions find the TTC a godsend. It is a fantastic tool for them to employ when attempting to infiltrate a business that isn’t unionised or to use against a unionised business during enterprise bargaining.

    Employers trying to stave off union infiltration will find union flyers distributed at their gates containing financial data presented in a way that causes maximum harm to their reputation. If a profit has been made, the flyer will advertise the profit and demand the employer adopt a union enterprise agreement. It is not uncommon for unions to include on these flyers personal information about the business owner, for example the cost of a family home, car or boat.

    If little or no business profit has been made, and therefore little or no tax has been paid, the flyers will cast the employer as a dishonest tax dodger and accuse it of not contributing to the community.

    Either way, the TTC ensures employers can’t win. Their enemies are at a fabulous advantage and business owners have the Coalition government to thank for this scenario.

    While unions love to complain at work sites and through the media about how much tax businesses pay and how much profit is made, they are silent about their own dodgy income streams, vast profits and minuscule tax liabilities. You see, unions are income-tax exempt.

    Unions say they don’t make profits but this is not true. Unions make money. Where union income is greater than their expenses, they have surpluses, and some of those surpluses are quite large. Union surpluses are not refunded to members each year but remain in the union bank account and the money is used in the way those running the union want to use it.

    Granted, union profits are not distributed to individuals as profit share, but money does not have to land in one’s personal bank account for one to benefit. Often, having control of funds is better than ownership. Some union officials control vast sums and have freedom to use those funds in ways that further their individual aspirations or smite their enemies.

    Further, a union can own and operate any business at all and pay no income tax on the profit made. For example, a union could own and operate a chain of coffee shops and all the profit from those coffee shops would be income-tax exempt.

    This week we learned just how much money flows through union coffers despite the low levels of union membership in the community. Based on data released by the government and reported on by our Simon Benson, our largest unions are richer than they have ever been, with an estimated income of $900m a year. Just seven unions have combined assets of $340m and $587m in total annual income.

    This money does not all come from the membership dues of unionist workers. It comes from union-owned businesses, superannuation funds and workers’ entitlement trusts, and it is all income-tax exempt. This income is made possible by enterprise bargaining as many agreements compel employers to put money into union investment vehicles, and unions (and often employer groups too) skim these funds each year to take some money for themselves, without telling their members about it.

    These arrangements can only be described as a racket. But it is a racket that some employer groups have helped create because they too pay no income tax.

    Of course, when no tax is paid on income earned, it is rather easy to amass wealth. Our unions now have combined assets of more than $1.5 billion.

    There is nothing wrong with a union having riches or being successful provided this success results from legitimate union activity, carried out genuinely in the interests of their members, with appropriate safeguards, full transparency, no abuse of the funds and no conflicts of interest.

    The Coalition must remedy this scenario as a matter of urgency. It must clean up the income scams, then apply corporate taxes to both the unions and the employer groups.

    Lord Waffles of Wentworth Turdbull CoalitionParty Strikes again

    In this year’s budget, the federal government endorsed a “tax transparency code”. This accomplished nothing other than to make life easier for the enemies of free enterprise.

  131. johanna

    As The Australian’s environment editor Graham Lloyd wrote for the umpteenth time here on Friday, wind just cannot be relied on to provide “despatchable capability”. Or as this paper has argued correctly for 10 years, renewables cannot provide baseload power and battery storage technology is not sufficiently developed.

    The get-out clause yet again. Just like solar is “not sufficiently developed,” the breakthrough having been just around the corner since I was in primary school in the 1960s. If only a few more of the hundreds of billions of dollars (mostly funded by taxpayers) could be thrown at the usual suspects …

    While it is possible – but not likely – that battery technology might one day work for large scale applications, in the meantime it is the equivalent of Lucy’s football. “Just give us a few more billions, and keep promising.”

    Well, no.

    The developer of viable new energy storage technology will be rich beyond the dreams of Croesus. He or she has not emerged despite billions of dollars spent trying to find him or her.

    Could it be, that like the physics-based limitations of solar power, they are ignoring reality in pursuit of a chimera along a pathway strewn with Other People’s Money?

  132. Baldrick

    Love is Love, from TheirABC’s poster boy:

    Benjamin Law ✔ @mrbenjaminlaw
    Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-fuck all the anti-gay MP’s in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system.

  133. Snoopy

    Testes, get here and defend these precious self-entitled deadshits!

    Rohingya insurgents, whose attack on Myanmar security forces last month triggered savage military reprisals, have declared a month-long truce.

    The Muslim insurgents of the Arakan Rohingya Salvation Army (ARSA) issued the truce statement on its Twitter account and urged Myanmar’s Government to reciprocate in order to assist all victims, regardless of their background.

  134. C.L.

    Fairfax columnist calls for all No backers to be raped:

    MPs slam ‘vile’ tweets of gay campaigner.

    Coalition MPs have lashed the ­author of the latest Quarterly Essay — which calls for a national rollout of the controversial Safe Schools program — over a lewd tweet joking about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    Benjamin Law, a columnist for Fairfax’s Good Weekend magazine and an active campaigner for same-sex marriage, posted the tweet on August 30 that triggered numerous replies including comments such as “start with Hastie” — a reference to West Australian Liberal MP and former member of the SAS Andrew Hastie, who ­defends traditional marriage.

    Law replied by posting: “(sighs heavily, unzips pants)”.

    Plibersek backs rape call:

    Labor deputy leader Tanya Plibersek, who told a same-sex marriage rally in Sydney “let’s drown out the hate with love”, ­refrained from condemning Law’s tweet.

  135. OldOzzie

    Further to Cut & Paste post above – and SMH and Fairfax wonder why their Circulation is declining?

    Maybe Murphy will get some sympathy at one of Benjamin Law’s leftie dinner parties … The Fairfax columnist in Good Weekend, Saturday:

    Recently I was at a dinner party in Sydney where the guests were people like me.

    MPs slam ‘vile’ tweets of gay campaigner

    Coalition MPs have lashed the ­author of the latest Quarterly Essay — which calls for a national rollout of the controversial Safe Schools program — over a lewd tweet joking about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    Benjamin Law, a columnist for Fairfax’s Good Weekend magazine and an active campaigner for same-sex marriage, posted the tweet on August 30 that triggered numerous replies including comments such as “start with Hastie” — a reference to West Australian Liberal MP and former member of the SAS Andrew Hastie, who ­defends traditional marriage.

    Law replied by posting: “(sighs heavily, unzips pants)”.

    Another user responded by posting a picture of National MP George Christensen, also a prominent defender of traditional marriage and the backbencher who led the revolt against the Safe Schools program. Law replied by posting: “(sets self on fire)”.

    The Australian contacted Mr Hastie yesterday about Law’s tweet, which said: “Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-f. k all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system.”

    Mr Hastie said the comment was unacceptable. “Noting my skills acquired in my previous ­career I’d like to see him try. If anyone on the No campaign jokingly suggested using sex as a weapon against Yes campaigners, there’d be immediate calls for their resignation and marginalisation. Instead this guy gets a 20,000-word platform from Quarterly Essay.”

  136. OldOzzie

    C.L.
    #2494224, posted on September 11, 2017 at 8:25 am
    Fairfax columnist calls for all No backers to be raped:

    MPs slam ‘vile’ tweets of gay campaigner.

    C.L. – Snap

  137. johanna

    Why am I not surprised you were too stupid to keep your mouth shut about obvious fake news, after all of you working so hard to ignore a hell of a lot of serious real news?

    btw, how that bloke from NZ and his very public figure daughter going, oh, and all those other mates who have been shitting and scrambling and … sorry, but the shaking, sifting and sorting continues, and electronic data collection mobs are not the lead pack nor final arbiters

    This morning all of us should give thanks that we do not live in the head of our assigned Care in the Community headcase, srr.

    It’s a jungle in there.

  138. notafan

    From Facebook, surprisingly most commentators are scoffing at the report, saying that unmarked graves were standard practice for paupers and that a 4% mortality rate was normal/not bad..

    I do recall visiting the Female Factory in Hobart where all inmates were buried in unmarked graves on the hillside above and, allegedly, not a single child who entered the factory came out alive.

    Infant mortality rates and pauper’s graves only matter if Catholics, obviously.


    Another nuns buried hundreds of children in unmarked graves ‘scandal’ emerging in Scotland

  139. CL clutches his pearls about a five foot high slim hipped waif making a joke about physically dominating a string of bulky males. Yeah I’m sure George Christensen can’t sleep for fear of Law overpowering him in a quiet corridor.

    Now if Penny Wong had said it, that would be serious. She looks buff.

  140. notafan

    Good grief you are shallow Monty.

    Because it’s okay to publically threaten to rape your policican opponents because physically you would be incapable?

    Moral meet vaccum.

  141. Rabz

    Irma back up to a Cat 4 as it makes landfall in Florida. Sustained winds of 110kph and gusting up to 150kph reported.

    And m0nty is thrilled.

  142. Nota, would you take it as a credible threat if a paraplegic said it? How about a midget? Where is the line where you think a physical threat is credible against a big bloke like Christensen?

    The right, always looking to revel in victimhood.

  143. calli

    Law is inciting physical violence with his hate speech.

    Arrest him now!

  144. Geriatric Mayfly

    Fairfax columnist calls for all No backers to be raped:

    I’m a bit busy today. Can the professional rapist, whomsoever it may be, please leave a message and I will return your call, to arrange an appointment.

  145. Snoopy

    his pearls about a five foot high slim hipped waif

    Monty, you really shouldn’t share your intimate fantasies on an open forum. Thanks.

  146. notafan

    It isn’t about it being a credible threat you moron.

  147. Tom

    Monty, defending even the dregs of the left like that Fakefax gutter snipe is not a good look. But I guess you have to defend everything under your current arrangement.

  148. John Constantine

    Regarding ruinable energy, the only reason any Ponzi scheme fails is because it isn’t sufficiently deployed by recruiting another bottom layer of the Pyramid.

    Those yet to grasp enough loot from the ruinable energy ponzi rort are pulling out all the stops to get the taxpayers of the west to fund an endless bottom layer of their scheme, anybody denying the need to fund their looting class are, literally, nazi hitler confederate colonial racists.

  149. Rabz

    I still maintain to this day that Abbott should have just belted the stupid smug dunderhead and hugely unwatched televisual f*ckwit – via Bolt – the sanctimonious wanker, Mark Riley:

    Try to sell that to the average voter. Clean coal is like nice peddophile. It just doesn’t exist in their mind.

    Lots of peddophiles getting busted that work in the braindead lamestream dinosaur media, eh Riley?

    Not just staggeringly stupid but a monumental hypocrite.

  150. m0nty
    #2494232, posted on September 11, 2017 at 8:33 am
    CL clutches his pearls about a five foot high slim hipped waif making a joke about physically dominating a string of bulky males.

    Not a good look as you actively support violent rape M0nty.
    “Hate fuck” is not a joke – it is a direct threat of the vilest kind.
    “(sighs heavily, unzips pants)” – an Anthony Weiner level of implied debauchery.

    Your cheer squad mentality is just as sickening as the original sewage.

  151. notafan

    Besides which credible threats don’t require physical superiority to be genuine, taking reinforcements, drugs and weapons are often used to level the playing field.

    I love how Monty cites physical differences when they suit his argument.

    Monty is all for five foot tall slim hipped waifs in the police force or the SAS, I’m sure.

  152. Excellent article by Coleridge. Is it just me or is the No case providing the most clear and coherent essays on the plebiscite.

  153. OldOzzie

    SDA’s shock deal with retailers to secure fee deductions

    The ALP’s biggest union affiliate, the shop assistants union, has been paying 10 per cent of members’ dues in commissions to Coles and Woolworths under an extraordinary arrangement that generously compensated the supermarket giants for deducting union fees from the pay of thousands of workers.

    The commissions, which originate from an agreement struck between the ACTU and employers in 1971, have been paid despite advances in technology reducing the cost to employers of deducting union dues.

    Coles, Woolworths and the Shop, Distributive and Allied Employees Association have refused to divulge the amounts in dollar terms paid by the union to the companies under the arrangement.

    In answers provided to a Senate inquiry, the union confirmed for the first time that the commission paid to Coles and Woolworths had been an unusually high 10 per cent of union members’ dues.

    It pays a lower 2.5 per cent commission to KFC and no payment is made to McDonald’s to deduct union fees.

    In a statement to The Australian yesterday, union national secretary Gerard Dwyer admitted the arrangement need to be ­reviewed, while Woolworths ­revealed the fee charged to the union would finally be reduced following the introduction of a new payroll system.

    Despite the union finally ­acknowledging the percentage amount, Coles and Woolworths have continued to refuse to reveal the commission rate.

    Employment Minister Michaelia Cash yesterday attacked the companies and the union over the arrangement.

    “Union members would be rightly outraged to know their employer is receiving such a significant payment for the deduction of union membership fees,” she told The Australian.

    “It is yet another example of collusive behaviour between big business and big unions.”

    The union has been under scrutiny over controversial pay deals with big employers, including Coles and Woolworths, that contain zero or below-award penalty rates.

    The Woolworths deal covers 95,571 employees, and the company told the Senate penalty rates inquiry that 47 per cent — 44,918 union members — have their fees directly deducted from their pay.

    Coles declined to provide a figure but has a similar percentage of membership, meaning about 37,484 employees have fees ­deducted.

    SDA members pay annual union fees of between $205 and $509. Australian Electoral Commission records show Woolworths and Coles passed on union dues totalling $7.95 million to the union’s Queensland branch in 2015-16, which would suggest the companies received $790,000 in commission fees from the union branch in that financial year alone.

    The deduction ­arrangement makes it easier for the union to ­retain its 207,000-strong membership, at a time when other ­unions are suffering declining membership. Maintaining its large membership base allows the conservative union to have influence on ALP policy debates.

    The union, the second biggest in the country, is one of the Labor Party’s biggest donors, contributing more than $1m in 2015-16.

    Mr Dwyer said yesterday the arrangement, first reported by the media in 2015, needed to be examined. “We recognise that there need to be a review of the current structure to ensure it is reflective of the contemporary business ­environment,’’ he said.

    Following questions from The Australian, Woolworths said it had recently completed a review of the arrangement with the union. “We have advised the SDA that as a result of significantly ­reduced processing costs following our transition to a new payroll system, the administration fee for the current financial year will be in the region of $20,000,’’ a spokesman said

    Mr Dwyer said the deduction scheme had been in place for many years and reflected the ­“industrial standard when put in place”.

    “It should be noted that there are complexities around levying union dues for members who work fluctuating weekly hours,’’ he said. “Casual members in particular value payroll deduction ­facilities as it ensures if they don’t work at all in a week they don’t pay any dues.”

    Coles declined to comment.

    From the Comments

    The fox and chicken together in the hen house, now who would have thought that would happen.

  154. Rabz

    an Anthony Weiner level of implied debauchery

    The Weiner is one of m0nty’s heroes. No doubt there’s a massive poster of Weiner’s ugly mug in m0nty’s basement.

  155. Tom

    Hehe…the howling of the climate bedwetters as reported by Climate Depot and Breitbart is ear splitting at the moment

    Yes, Bruce of Newk, a visit to Climate Depot is highly recommended for a roundup of the vicious hatred of the left towards the victims of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma and their deranged denialism about climate science. I love this quote from Tony Heller (a.k.a. “Steve Goddard”):

    Throughout history, hate groups have looked for scapegoats to blame things on. In the 16th century progressive hate groups blamed bad weather on witches, and burned tens of thousands of witches at the stake. In the 1930’s and 1940’s progressives put millions of Jews in gas chambers as scapegoats for Germany’s problems, and now progressive hate groups blame the weather on people who resist their climate scam. They want to criminalize and prosecute free speech and scientific inquiry.

    I also had a laugh about the difference in the bios for Climate Depot founder Marc Morano:

    Climate Depot: “Marc Morano, the award-winning producer, writer and host of Climate Hustle — a film released in 2016 to hundreds of U.S. theatres — is one of the highest profile voices of climate realism in the world today.”

    Leftard propaganda site Wikipedia: “Marc Morano (born 1968)[1] is a former Republican political aide who founded and runs the website ClimateDepot.com.”

    Try doing climate science if you’re not a member of the leftist tribe: no swimming in the rivers of gold for you!

  156. notafan

    Nothing beats love is love.

    Yes has to unzip it’s pants because it hasn’t got a coherent argument.

  157. alexnoaholdmate

    If a No campaigner had made the exact same joke – word for word – Monty would be calling for them to be arrested for hate speech.

    And if they were attacked and assaulted by a gang of “anti-fascists”, Monty would then cluck and say, “Well, I don’t support violence, of course. But you have to admit, they got what they deserved, didn’t they?”

  158. cohenite

    The developer of viable new energy storage technology will be rich beyond the dreams of Croesus. He or she has not emerged despite billions of dollars spent trying to find him or her.

    Could it be, that like the physics-based limitations of solar power, they are ignoring reality in pursuit of a chimera along a pathway strewn with Other People’s Money?

    The panacea of storage is a chimera simply because of the First Law of Thermodynamics which in this context simply means you cannot use power twice. Wind and solar produce intermittently; when they are producing you can either use that power when it is being produced or store it for ‘ron. That’s it folks, apart from any other thing, the vast limitations of battery storage, of any sort, loss of energy as it is being stored and released and dissipation during storage and so on.

    You can’t use energy twice.

  159. Law is inciting physical violence with his hate speech.

    Arrest him now!

    Do you need a safe space, snowflake?

    You can’t have it both ways. You are either for political correctness or you are against it. Using it to attack the other mob undermines your argument when you whine about PC directed at your side.

    So which is it: freedom or the nanny state? If you believe in freedom, you support Law’s right to free speech. If you attack him, you are a statist scold. Choose wisely.

  160. Tom

    Hehe…the howling of the climate bedwetters as reported by Climate Depot and Breitbart is ear splitting at the moment

    Yes, Bruce of Newk, a visit to Climate Depot is highly recommended for a roundup of the vicious hatred of the left towards the victims of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma and their deranged denialism about climate science. I love this quote from Tony Heller (a.k.a. “Steve Goddard”):

    Throughout history, hate groups have looked for scapegoats to blame things on. In the 16th century progressive hate groups blamed bad weather on witches, and burned tens of thousands of witches at the stake. In the 1930’s and 1940’s progressives put millions of J e w s in gas chambers as scapegoats for Germany’s problems, and now progressive hate groups blame the weather on people who resist their climate scam. They want to criminalize and prosecute free speech and scientific inquiry.

    I also had a laugh about the difference in the bios for Climate Depot founder Marc Morano:

    Climate Depot: “Marc Morano, the award-winning producer, writer and host of Climate Hustle — a film released in 2016 to hundreds of U.S. theatres — is one of the highest profile voices of climate realism in the world today.”

    Leftard propaganda site Wikipedia: “Marc Morano (born 1968)[1] is a former Republican political aide who founded and runs the website ClimateDepot.com.”

    Try doing climate science if you’re not a member of the leftist tribe: no swimming in the rivers of gold for you!

  161. notafan

    Oh and ‘it’s inevitable’

    See that often.

  162. alexnoaholdmate

    No doubt there’s a massive poster of Weiner’s ugly mug in m0nty’s basement.

    Weiner’s “ugly mug” if we’re lucky

  163. notafan

    In other words Monty no one should ever be arrested for threatening to rape someone?

  164. The thing to note about one Benjamin Law is that he, monty, and most other leftists, think public statements like

    “Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-f. k all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system”

    are conducive to civil public discourse.

  165. Motelier

    Remember when a cyclone crossed the coast at Airlie Beach in March this year.
    Remember how everyone was warned to seek shelter because it was so dangerous.
    Remember who was out there, risking their lives to give us live reporting as the cyclone crossed the coast.
    Remember what we all said about the the MSM.
    Who are these people? Tyey must have something in common with perfect ple overseas, because they are doing it a again.

    No, not FloridaMan.

  166. Rabz

    Weiner’s “ugly mug” if we’re lucky…

    I wasn’t going to go there, Alex.

  167. notafan

    Where are you on threats to kill.

    Or should we have to wait till after the event to arrest someone threatening to rape or kill because ‘free speech’

  168. Hardly surprising that mUnter harbours gay-rape fantasies.
    In this dream, mUnter, do you give or receive?
    And do you wear a gimp suit.

  169. notafan

    And there was Monty only yesterday sagely nodding about how aweful inciting hatred of religion was but today it’s okay to threaten to rape people.

    Cottrell didn’t come close to making such a direct threat to muslims.

  170. alexnoaholdmate

    So which is it: freedom or the nanny state? If you believe in freedom, you support Law’s right to free speech. If you attack him, you are a statist scold. Choose wisely.

    Wow. You don’t get it, do you?

    No one here really gives a shit what he said, or wants the law to step in.

    It’s that we keep getting told that the No side is violent, outrageous, hateful – witness the entirely false but faithfully reported claim of violence in Brisbane last week, which police have confirmed never happened.

    But when someone from the Yes side actually displays the bigotry we’re told grips the No side, nothing happens and you run on here to defend them.

    Had a journalist made a similar joke for the No team – except they wouldn’t, because the bigotry appears to be all on one side, – you’d be calling for their head.

    You hypocritical vermin.

  171. Law doesn’t have a violent history like Cottrell. The cases are not remotely comparable. You are flailing, nota.

  172. No one here really gives a shit what he said, or wants the law to step in.

    Ah right alex, so you are virtue signalling. You can safely be ignored.

  173. OldOzzie

    History repeating as US goes subprime all over again

    Both China and the US have a basic flaw in their financial systems. The American investment banks made so much money out of sub-prime loans in the previous decade that they can’t resist a double dip. They learned nothing. And the Chinese find it very hard to recognise losses.

    Fortunately, in 2017, unlike 2007, neither situation is set to bring on another global financial crisis.

    In China, the problem arises from so called “shadow” loans by regional banks in areas where there are major corporate failures. In the US, the risk-guzzling US banks and investment banks have discovered the sub-prime loan techniques they used in property can be applied to car loans. And there is big money to be made.

    Both China’s “shadow” loans and America’s sub-prime car loans are likely to have unhappy endings. I am grateful to Bloomberg for much of the material I am publishing today.

    Let’s start with China. Here in Australia we are rejoicing at the higher iron ore and coking coal prices because the old dirty steel plants are being shut and replaced by modern steel plants using our raw materials.

    But there is another side to the story. UBS’s Jason Bedford analysed 237 Chinese banks including many of the small and unlisted regional firms.

    UBS found that shadow loans, in the form of trust beneficiary rights and directional asset-management plans, over one year grew almost 15 per cent to 14.1 trillion yuan ($US2.2 trillion) by December 2016.

    Small regional lenders are major players in the market and most of this lending is to enterprises operating in what has become a nasty set of rust belts. There are defaults coming.

    Now to the US and a decade after the mortgage debacle, the financial industry is again basking in the joys of sub-prime games via auto loans. And, according to Bloomberg, just like last time, the risks are spreading as dodgy auto loans are bundled into securities for investors worldwide.

    According to Wells Fargo in 2009, $US2.5bn of new subprime auto bonds were sold. In 2016, $US26bn were issued. Thankfully, loans at that level will not threaten the US economy but all the old mistakes are being repeated, including lax lending standards that enable people to get loans without anyone verifying their incomes or job histories.

    Wall Street’s appetite for high-yield investments has kept the loans — and the securitised bonds — coming. For investors, the allure of sub-prime car loans is clear: securities composed of such debt can offer yields as high as 5 per cent. In a world of ultra-low rates, that’s still more than triple the comparable yield for Treasuries. While these loans may not ravage the financial system, it means that US consumers will face more stress.

    According to Bloomberg, when it comes to due diligence in auto loans, there is no industry wide standard. Unlike the current mortgage market, “stated-income loans” — better known as “liar loans” — are perfectly legal in car buying. In other words, borrowers state false incomes.

    Last month, Jeff Brown, Ally Financial Inc.’s chief executive, revealed that verifying income isn’t the norm, although Ally Financial checked incomes on 65 per cent of its sub-prime car loans as does GM Financial’s AmeriCredit.

    But, overall, there is little reason to change given the success of Wall Street’s securitisation machine. One operator trying to get lender repossessed cars back into dealers often found dealers had listed non-existent features like sunroofs or alloy wheels to inflate a car’s value and win credit approval.

    And, even when cars were repossessed, borrowers didn’t see their debts reduced. Their loans were usually extended so the underlying loss problem was hidden. Exactly what happened with housing loans 10 years ago. Unbelievable but true.

    So far, protections built into the bonds have largely insulated investors from losses even as underlying delinquencies pile up. The losers, of course, are people who go into debt for cars they can’t afford.

    What the US auto loan situation teaches us is that the land of the stars and stripes has not learned from the global financial crisis so it will come again sometime in the future.

    In Australia if we have a sharp fall in house prices the lending policies of our four big banks will come under scrutiny and indeed analysts from around the world have described our housing market as a bubble. But we have recognised the danger.

    Across the western world yield chasing has caused investors to be prepared to lower security standards to get yield. That’s one reason why central bankers are very nervous about increasing interest rates.

    Counter to Robert Gottliebsen re American Autos is the fact that

    HARVEY WRECKS UP TO A MILLION CARS IN CAR-DEPENDENT HOUSTON

  174. notafan

    I’m sorry Monty, are you saying only someone who’s got a criminal record already can be a bad person or something?

  175. dopey

    ABC News: Hurricane Irma leaves more than 2 million Florida homes without power.
    So much for wind.

  176. CL’s original characterisation of Law’s tweet was that Law was calling for all MPs to be raped. This was clearly PC gone mad on CL’s part. That is what I was railing against.

    You lot love to fully embrace political correctness as a weapon, then you decry its use by others. It’s almost as if you have no principles, only tribalism.

  177. Geriatric Mayfly

    A couple of my blue wrens have just graduated from Safe Schools for Avians. Barely a month ago, given their attire, they were indistinguishable from common brown females. First came the dabs of blue makeup, and as confidence in front of the mirror escalated, the blues intensified along with the black and violet. The transition is now complete and what handiwork there is to behold. In autumn the feathered palette will fade and it’s back to brown. Talk about gender fluidity!

  178. cohenite

    Law doesn’t have a violent history like Cottrell

    Cottrell is better looking though; and not gay.

  179. Notice how Monty simply didn’t want to address alexnoaholdmate’s charge of hypocrisy.

  180. notafan

    Sorry Monty I’m not flailing, your position is absurd and you know it.

    You give your side a leave pass on everything from the ACL bombing, to white powder in envelopes, false fag operations to rape threats, what luck Law is a hundred pound weakling, eh?

  181. alexnoaholdmate

    This is the second time now, Monty, I’ve tried to engage you in discussion, and you’ve made an excuse and fled the field.

    Last time it was because you were too busy, you work on Sundays. It was Saturday.

    What is it this time?

    NB – I’ve stood up for you when others discussed your banning. Shan’t do that anymore. Too busy.

    I work on Sundays too.

  182. Cottrell is better looking though; and not gay.

    How do you know?

  183. OldOzzie

    BOM Review admits skeptics were right, but say “trust us” it doesn’t matter

    The BOM’s bad luck never seems to end. Of all the 695 stations in Australia, 693 worked perfectly, but Jen Marohasy and Lance Pidgeon happened to live near, or have a personal random connection to the only two stations that didn’t — Thredbo and Goulburn. Apparently these stations had been flawed (not fit for purpose) for 10 years and 14 years, but the BOM world-class experts hadn’t noticed. I expect they were just about to discover the flaws when (how inconsiderately) Lance and Jen announced the errors to the world and the BOM were forced to do this pointless 77 page report to stop people asking questions they couldn’t answer.

    The nub of this fracas is that something called an MSI1 hardware card was installed in cold locations even though it would never report a temperature below minus 10.4C. Awkwardly this doesn’t explain why the 10.4C appeared in the live feed, then was automatically changed to -10C in the long term data sets which are used for climate analysis. Does the BOM think the dumb public don’t know the difference between -10 and -10.4? Implicitly — the BOM installed the wrong type of card, and also accidentally had an error flagging system on top of that, that compounded the error by ruling out even the already-flawed -10.4, which may have been even colder. A double flaw, and both non-randomly warming the minima. What are the odds?

    And John Frydenberg, Minister of Critters, Plants and Green-stuff believes this? Seriously?

    As Jennifer Marohasy says, without actually saying so the BOM admits the skeptics were right.

    The BOM wants to stop this sort of error being discovered

    For me the absolute red-flag, radioactive recommendation is this one where the Panel recommends changing their website in a way that would hide the exact inconsistencies that make this public error detection possible. They want a less complicated BOM reporting system — saying that currently it is possible for different temperatures for the same site/time to be on the Internet in public:

    “The Review Panel found that: … the current data flow architecture creates situations where data can be delivered to, and displayed on, the Bureau’s website via multiple pathways and this can be potentially inconsistent and confusing for end users;

    Recommendation 6: Future investment in supporting IT systems should, as part of their design and system architecture, streamline and improve efficiency and consistency in data flows.” – page 12 of the PDF.

    The review panel didn’t thank the citizen scientists who helped them find an error the experts had missed for years by noticing the inconsistencies in the live and long term data streams. Instead the BOM’s priority is to not get caught again, by rejigging the system to get “consistency”. What matters more: accuracy, error detection, or “consistency”? It depends on whether you are a scientific unit or a PR unit.

    The BOM review tries to palm off the citizen scientists who were right, and more careful than them, as “confused”. In this in-house review the million-dollars-a-day BOM proves beyond a doubt that their highest priority is to protect their own jobs, not to collect accurate information about the Australian climate.

    Bureau has a budget of $365 million a year.

    BACKGROUND — Scandal after scandal

    . Another BOM scandal: Australian climate data is being destroyed as routine practice
    . BOM scandal: “smart cards” filter out coldest temperatures. Full audit needed ASAP!
    . BOM scandal heats up: Kininmonth, Watts, Nova quoted in The Australian “We audit banks, why not BOM?”
    . Scandal: Australian Bureau of Meteorology caught erasing cold temperatures
    . On Sunday, Goulburn got colder than the BOM thought was possible (and a raw data record was “adjusted”).
    . Two-thirds of Australias warming due to “adjustments” — according to 84 historic stations
    . The mysterious BOM disinterest in hot historic Australian Stevenson screen temperatures
    . The lost climate knowledge of Deacon 1952: hot dry summers from 1880-1910
    . 1953 Headline: Melbourne’s weather is changing! Summers getting colder and wetter
    . The mysterious lost hot Sunday in Bourke, did it really happen?
    . Wow, look at those BOM adjustments – trends up by two degrees C!
    . Australian BOM “neutral” adjustments increase minima trends up 50%
    . Was the Hottest Day Ever in Australia not in a desert, but in far south Albany?!
    . Hottest summer record in Australia? Not so, says UAH satellite data
    . Mystery black-box method used to make *all new* Australian “hottest” ever records
    . BOMs new data set, ACORN, so bad it should be withdrawn (954 min temps larger than the max!)
    . Threat of ANAO Audit means Australia’s BOM throws out temperature set, starts again, gets same results
    . Australian Temperatures in cities adjusted up by 70%!?

  184. Barnaby Joyce and Fiona Nash voted against a burka ban.
    Obviously trade with Islamic countries is more important than our security and rescuing women from slavery.

  185. calli

    Do you need a safe space, snowflake?

    Oh dear. Did I mislay my /sarc tag? I thought I’d packed everything.

  186. Monty:

    CL’s original characterisation of Law’s tweet was that Law was calling for all MPs to be raped. This was clearly PC gone mad on CL’s part. That is what I was railing against.

    Let’s scroll up.
    CL:

    Fairfax columnist calls for all No backers to be raped:

    Always check the statements of leftists. Always.

  187. stackja

    The Mont contrarian believes the Left faith. No explanation is necessary, no explanation is possible.
    Reminds of:

    St. Thomas Aquinas — ‘To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.’

  188. alex, I appreciated that support. However, I find the culture wars terribly tiresome. I am sorry I brought this up now because when it comes to culture wars, nothing ever gets decided once and for all because both sides tend to argue from bad faith positions.

    FWIW, I agree that Law shouldn’t have said what he said, it was stupid. However, CL trying to blow it up into a credible threat of sexual jihad was massive overreach, something the Noies specialise in.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    Speaking of rape, the Dave Chapelle special on Netflix is not only hysterical but has one of the cleverest jokes about rape possible.

    Of course the leftist outrage Taliban are furious with Chappelle.

  190. OldOzzie

    Labor thumps the Coalition 53pc to 47pc but not on the economy: Fairfax/Ipsos poll

    Labor commands a strong election-winning lead but the Coalition is outstripping its rival as preferred economic manager, fuelling its internal belief it can still claw back into contention.

    The latest Fairfax/Ipsos poll also shows a relatively strong decline over recent months in the personal standing of Labor leader Bill Shorten, whose unpopularity the Coalition is also trying to exploit in order to reverse its fortunes.

    The national poll, taken from Thursday night last week to Saturday evening, shows Labor continuing to lead the Coalition, by 53 per cent to 47 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

    This is unchanged since the last poll in May, consistent with other major polls that show the Coalition has been at a entrenched disadvantage for months, and would result in a landslide win to Labor if an election were held now.

    Offering the government some hope is that it out rates Labor as preferred economic manager by 39 per cent to 28 per cent while Scott Morrison is preferred over his shadow counterpart Chris Bowen as treasurer by 38 per cent to 29 per cent.

    Engineer a turnaround

    Nor in the latest poll is there any appetite among voters to revisit the economic approach of Tony Abbott. The poll finds 56 per cent believe Malcolm Turnbull has provided better economic leadership than his predecessor, while 25 per cent say Mr Abbott was better. Coalition voters back Mr Turnbull over Mr Abbott on the economy by 58 per cent to 30 per cent.

    With a federal election not due for at least another year, the Coalition believes it can use the economy, which has always been a core strength and which becomes central in a campaign, to engineer a turnaround.

    The biggest impediments are ongoing distractions, both self-inflicted and otherwise, that keep clouding the economic message, said a senior source.

    “There’s a lot of things getting in the way of our vote at the moment ,” he said. “But that’s why we’re not sitting around slashing our wrists.”

    Turnbull preferred over Shorten

    The two parties’ primary votes remain relatively stagnant. Labor’s primary vote is down a point to 34 per cent and the Coalition’s has fallen 2 points to 35 per cent. The Greens are on 14 per cent while minor parties and others command 17 per cent.

    The poll shows Mr Turnbull continues to beat Mr Shorten as preferred prime minister, leading by 48 per cent to 31 per cent. This represents a 5 percentage point increase in Mr Turnbull’s lead since the last poll.

    Mr Shorten’s personal standing has plunged over the past quarter. His approval rating has fallen 6 points to 36 per cent and his disapproval rating has risen 5 points to 52 per cent.

    Mr Turnbull has also gone backwards but not by as much. His approval rating has fallen 3 points to 42 per cent and his disapproval rating has risen 3 points to 47 per cent.

    Mr Morrison bucks the trend in that he has a net positive rating. His approval rating is 42 per cent and his disapproval rating is 38 per cent.

    During the dark days for the Coalition after its 2014 budget, Mr Bowen was level-pegging as preferred treasurer with Joe Hockey, whose rating had slumped after that budget.

    Green shoots are appearing

    The poll was taken on the back of some reasonably good economic news last week with a better than expected growth figure for the June quarter, leading the government to declare green shoots were appearing.

    The government also sought to keep the focus in recent weeks on energy process but was distracted by the dual citizenship debacle and other issues, such as same-sex marriage.

    On the economy, Labor has been campaigning heavily on the issue of inequality.

    On Sunday, Mr Morrison stepped up calls for employers to turn increasing profits into higher wages to help end the record run of flat wages growth.

    He even urged workers in profitable companies to push for higher pay when they renegotiate their workplace awards.

    “That’s a matter between them and their workers,” he said when asked if bosses in profitable sectors needed to be more generous.

    “But as their profits improve, then the case for wage rises obviously builds and particularly when they’re putting people on.”

    Mr Bowen scoffed: “The key fact on wages growth under the Turnbull government is that it’s been at record lows with average wages and living standards falling in the June quarter,” he said. “Scott Morrison has no problem with wages going backwards. He supports a flat cut in penalty rates to Australia’s low and middle-income earners.”

  191. DB, we were both right but incomplete. Law’s tweet was about No-backing MPs.

  192. notafan

    Except that CL did no such thing Monty.

    You just made that up.

    As Dover pointed out the only rational coherent arguments are from those that support the Truth.

    And it shows.

  193. OldOzzie

    Nationals vote to oppose Malcolm Turnbull’s clean energy target

    The federal Nationals have fired a warning shot across Malcolm Turnbull’s bow by passing a motion opposing the proposed clean energy target or any other policy that subsidises any energy source beyond 2020.

    While not binding on the federal parliamentary party, the motion, passed at the Nationals annual federal council meeting, was supported by several National MPs, including George Christensen and Keith Pitt.

    Mr Christensen said afterwards it was a signal the junior Coalition party was unlikely to support in Parliament any clean energy target, regardless of the design.

    “The clean energy target has been panned at @The_Nationals fed conf. I’ll vote against a CET that pushes up power prices (& it will!),” he tweeted.

    The same motion also agreed to freeze the Renewable Energy Target at 23 per cent in 2020, to not subsidise renewables or any other energy source beyond then but “to treat all forms of power on their merits”. Emissions reduction was not mentioned.

    “They don’t want a renewable energy target, they want a reliable energy target, an affordable energy target,” said Mr Pitt, who is Assistant Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment.

    Heated Meeting

    The move is ominous given it was the Nationals who led the 2009 insurrection against Mr Turnbull’s deal with Kevin Rudd over a carbon pollution reduction scheme, which culminated in Mr Turnbull’s downfall as opposition leader.

    The warning comes on the eve of what is expected to be a heated meeting in Canberra between AGL Energy chief executive Andy Vesey and Mr Turnbull and Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg.

    The government wants AGL to agree to sell the Liddell coal-fired power station rather than shut it down in 2022.

    AGL does not want to sell Liddell but redevelop it into a clean energy hub which, the company says, will replace the 1000 megawatts in lost base-load generation caused by the Liddell closure.

    On Sunday, Treasurer Scott Morrison and Mr Frydenberg started strong-arming Mr Vesey ahead of the meeting.

    Mr Morrison said AGL was talking its own book by saying it would cost $840 million to remediate the plant, meaning no-one would want to buy it.

    ‘Vested interest’

    Mr Morrison said “those who are trying to shut Liddell have a vested interest in talking down what the viability of it might be”.

    “It doesn’t surprise me that a big energy company wants to see a big source of supply go out of the market. I mean, that drives prices up, and that benefits energy companies.”

    Mr Frydenberg said it was in the national interest that Liddell stayed open and that AGL was being hypocritical because it “relies heavily on coal”.

    Mr Vesey says he does not want to sell Liddell but Mr Morrison said that was inconsistent with what he said at a recent meeting between energy chief executives and Mr Turnbull, himself and Mr Frydenberg.

    One industry source said Mr Vesey had – under pressure – said in the August 9 meeting that the company would consider selling the Liddell plant to a bidder.

    Mr Vesey is understood to have been explaining how AGL wanted to invest the $1 billion that might be needed to extend the life of Liddell into other forms of generation when he was put on the spot about whether AGL would be open to a sale by another retailing company chief executive.

    Responsible owner

    He is said to have insisted that any buyer of Liddell would need to be a responsible owner of the ageing plant, which was built in the 1970s.

    The push to keep Liddell operating is, in part, to appease the Nationals and others in the Liberal Party that coal has a future, even under a clean energy target.

    The Nationals’ motion specified opposition to the CET as modelled by Chief Scientist Alan Finkel. The model does not include so-called clean coal as an energy source. The government is planning a different policy to incorporate coal but a Nationals’ source said the motion was carefully worded to ensure there was consensus at the conference. In reality, the message was that there be no CET.

    “It’s a clear indication from the rank-and-file of where they expect us to go,” the source said.​

    Investment certainty

    Industry and business is desperate for an agreed national policy to restore investment certainty in power generation. Labor is prepared to support a CET even though it is not as robust as its own proposed emissions intensity scheme.

    Opposition energy spokesman Mark Butler said: “The Nationals latest attack on renewable energy goes to show how internal divisions are crippling the government.

    “This is sheer hypocrisy from the Nationals, who promote the use of renewable energy when cutting ribbons on renewable projects in their own electorates but then attack renewables.”

  194. stackja

    Thousands of Australian homes could be contaminated with ice
    Lucie van den Berg, Herald Sun
    September 11, 2017 5:30am
    Subscriber only
    THOUSANDS of Australian homes are likely to be contaminated with methamphetamines, a Melbourne con­ference will hear today.

    Miles Stratford, who started cleaning company MethSolutions in New Zealand to test and decontaminate properties used as ice labs, said residues left behind could put people’s health at risk.

    He will tell the CleanUp 2017 conference that the 700 labs being uncovered in Australia each year are “only the tip of the iceberg”.

    They have tested 13,000 Kiwi properties, including cars and one large boat, for methamphetamines.

    Almost 40 per cent tested positive to some trace of ice and about 20 per cent had levels that would exceed guidelines, requiring either a heavy- duty clean or removal of property, furniture and fittings.

    “Tens of thousands of Australians will be living and working in properties that could be compromising their health and wellbeing,” Mr Stratford said.

    He said many new homeowners could buy a home with a significant risk and financial liability.

    Leftists support ‘party drugs’. What could possibly go wrong?

  195. Read what CL said, nota. He pretended that Law “called” for all No backers to be raped. As in, not by Law himself, as you call to others, not yourself. He reckons Law was inciting others to rape. This is a big fat lie.

  196. Top Ender

    Should have him cloned and sent out to schools around the West:

    Pupils are being told to be in bed by 9pm every night and up at 6.30am in a tough crackdown launched at one of the country’s worst schools.
    Children have also been warned they face losing their mobiles for weeks, to walk in single file in corridors and that teachers are the ‘unquestioned authority’ at the Norfolk school.
    And they’re being told that they’ll be given buckets to vomit in if they feel sick in class.

    but of course:

    Furious mothers and fathers have already set up a group on Facebook called Yarmouth High Worried Parents after being outraged by the new get-tough crusade.
    The hardline regime is being imposed as troubled Great Yarmouth High School in Norfolk became a Charter Academy last month after being taken over by the Inspiration Trust.
    A new principal was drafted in after the failing school got some of the worst GCSE results in England and Wales in the summer – with just 30pc of pupils achieving a pass in English and maths.

    Link

  197. DB, we were both right but incomplete. Law’s tweet was about No-backing MPs.

    No, you were wrong.

  198. Benjamin Law on the ABC:

    Some of us are huge and muscled, built like brick sh*thouses and could demolish Andrew Bolt’s face if we wanted to, and that is definitely fine by me too.

    (Bolt)

    Sort of makes a lie of m0nty

    #2494281, posted on September 11, 2017 at 9:04 am
    Law doesn’t have a violent history like Cottrell.

    Always check the statements of leftists. Always. (Dover)

  199. stackja

    Alan Jones talks to the economist and columnist about the power crisis facing Australia
    Download this podcast here

  200. OSC, google a picture of him. He is puny.

  201. Zyconoclast

    Barnyard Joyce says the Nats will be guided by the no renewable subsidies vote at the conference. It will be used to negotiate the next coalition agreement.
    He also says our international treaties and obligations will be met first.

    Treasonous scum bag.

    He should be calling for a withdrawal from the international treaties as a condition for the next coalition agreemen.

  202. alexnoaholdmate

    OSC, google a picture of him. He is puny.

    Yes, but the issue of discussion was not whether he is puny.

    It’s about whether he has a history of inciting violence.

    Seriously, Monty, you have used up your quota of rakes this week on this issue already, and it’s only Monday morning.

    Take a break.

  203. Law’s original tweet:
    Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-fuck all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system.
    Saying he would violently rape all the anti-gay MPs is SO MUCH BETTER than calling for others to violently rape anti-gay MPs.

    Your logic M0nty is as bad as your support of this foul SMH journalist.

  204. cohenite

    m0nty

    #2494293, posted on September 11, 2017 at 9:14 am

    Cottrell is better looking though; and not gay.

    How do you know?

    The same way I know you are what you are.

  205. Benjamin Law on the ABC:

    Some of us are huge and muscled, built like brick sh*thouses and could demolish Andrew Bolt’s face if we wanted to, and that is definitely fine by me too.

    Notice how this statement renders Law’s puniness irrelevant and yet it is ignored by monty.

  206. stackja

    Playhouse 90 – The Plot To Kill Stalin Part 1
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    Somewhat correct drama on last months of Stalins rule and life.
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    Playhouse 90 The Plot To Kill Stalin
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    In late 1952, an aging and increasingly paranoid Stalin puts in motion a purge against his doctors, with antisemitic overtones. His lackeys, including Khrushchev, Molotov and Beria, fear it will spread to the Politburo, and plan to strike first.

  207. thefrolickingmole

    Just to join in the rakes progress…

    Quite a few years ago i met on of WAs worst/most prolific rapists.
    Men, women, beagles, whatever he could get control over he raped it.

    He was about 5’2″ and weight maybe 60kg.

    http://www.mako.org.au/gary_michael_narkle.html

    But according to our own rakist he couldnt be a problem..

  208. C.L.

    CL clutches his pearls about a five foot high slim hipped waif making a joke about physically dominating a string of bulky males.

    LOL.
    Lamest PR scramble ever!
    But the call for No campaigners to be raped was not gender specific.
    It was a call for female MPs to be raped as well.
    Shorten and Plibersek back this call – as does Monty (using Trump-failed-to-condemn-Nazis principle).

  209. 132andBush

    Monty,
    Ideologically rich.
    Morally barren.

  210. Baldrick

    Of course m0nty would be completely silent if Lyle Shelton tweeted:

    Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-fuck all the anti pro-gay MP’s in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia bullying out of their system.

  211. stackja

    Flightradar24‏Verified account @flightradar24 1 hour ago
    0 aircraft over Florida at 6:30 pm EDT (22:30 UTC).

  212. C.L.

    Hard to choose the funnier breaking story here:

    Clinton ‘gobsmacked’ by election loss
    Pope suffers black eye from popemobile

  213. OldOzzie

    The defenestration of Australian public policy and politics

    Poor policy processes over the past decade have, unsurprisingly, produced a string of poor policy outcomes, with no real end in sight. I am starting to find speeches recounting this a bit like Groundhog Day, except that each time things seem to have altered for the worse.

    The undisputed first prize for “policy on the run” is the Bank Levy. It appeared so fast, with so little process, that it took everyone by surprise (even, as I understand it, some officials in the Treasury). Against the usual tests for a “good” tax, it strikes out not just on efficiency and equity grounds, but even effectiveness. And the face-saving notion that it might nevertheless be justified as an implicit charge for government “guarantees” does not hold water. If anything, it is likely to increase the risks to taxpayers – small though they may still be.

    Right up there in poor policy-land, the combination of elevated state-based renewables targets and bans on gas production have uniquely succeeded in simultaneously forcing electricity prices to unprecedented highs and reliability to unprecedented lows. This ‘wicked problem’ for policy has been the creation of policy itself. It is a case of government failure, not market failure.

    We know from the Productivity Commission that the first phase of the price lift-off (pre-2012) was in large part related to network costs responding to regulatory signals; the second phase is attributable to (a) a RET-induced surge in intermittent renewable capacity, (b) the consequent retirement and non-replacement of large scale coal-fired base load capacity, and (c) high gas prices underpinned by a policy-induced shortage of domestic supply.

    As things stand, the resulting energy policy “trilemma” seems insoluble under the existing national abatement target. Given ongoing bipartisan attachment to it, one of the other two policy goals will have to give way – either reliability or affordability or (as now) both.

    Part of the explanation for the position we find ourselves in is that for several years governments have encouraged the electorate to believe that, despite the relative fossil-fuel intensity of our economy, we could cut emissions at negligible cost and regardless of the instrument used. Indeed official government modelling largely assumed the costs away. Some state governments persist in this deception.

    Like Tolstoy’s famous observation about families in Anna Karenina, each of the many policy misadventures over recent years has its own unhappy story. But there are also some broader themes.

    Processes ruining outcomes

    Generally even where there was a good start to a policy development process, outcomes have been spoiled by poor engagement with stakeholders and the wider public, and ultimately poor implementation. Spin and sloganeering are increasingly substituting for explanation.

    Along the way, we are seeing the language of public policy contorted. Tax hikes in the budget have become “saves”. And, wherever possible, taxes are referred to as “levies” – like the bank tax – or even, more coyly, “prices” (carbon tax). We also found during the latest round of superannuation reforms – unlikely to be the last – that the word “retrospective” no longer has the meaning long ascribed to it. And of course the very word “reform” has departed from the dictionary definition of “change for the better” to mean just “change” – or even change for the worse.

    Fairness has become the dominant criterion, with its interpretation going well beyond the traditional Aussie “fair go”. A fair reform today is one in which there can be no losers, even temporarily, unless they are at the upper end of the income distribution: a definition that would have ruled out every important structural reform of the past.

    Governments’ ability to hold the line in the face of political resistance is a pale shadow of what it was. For example, that GST reform was quickly raised and as quickly withdrawn on two separate occasions in the past few years – and under different PMs and Treasurers – is almost beyond parody.

    The line of a previous Treasurer that “good policy is good politics”, or at least can be made so via good process, has been perverted to the contrary proposition that “good politics must be good policy”. And the new metric by which a government’s policy performance is judged has become the volume of legislation it is able to steer through the Parliament.

    How did it come to this? How might we extract ourselves? Each Groundhog Day weakens my confidence in seeking to answer the first question or even that doing so would help answer the second. Churchill famously spoke of the opportunities for reform afforded by a “good crisis”. But it would be better not to have to wait.

  214. harrys on the boat

    Of course Shorten backs the rape of women. Look at his history.

  215. Boambee John

    m0nty

    The right, always looking to revel in victimhood.

    That’s a bit rich after some of your comments about Cottrell in the last few days.

    m0nty and the left, always projecting.

  216. OldOzzie

    Same-sex law should see exodus from marriage act

    Same-sex marriage does not constitute an inherent attack on religious freedom. However, the Liberal Party’s draft same-sex marriage bill could empower a state-funded assault on religions across the nation.

    Tomorrow, the postal ballots on marriage reform will be distributed. Despite being urged to modify the bill to provide stronger protection for the core freedoms of speech and religion, Liberal politicians who endorsed it have chosen not to act in the interim. Unless the Coalition presents a modified bill that properly protects core freedoms, marriage reform will produce an entrenched conflict between queer ideology and liberty.

    For those of us who understand that homosexual and heterosexual relationships have equal worth, the question of same-sex marriage should be straightforward. Yet international precedent demonstrates that the legalisation of same-sex marriage can change the nature of marriage itself from a natural institution with social ends to an activist institution with political ends. It can herald a profound transformation of society by making the most pre-political institution a servant of the PC state.

    Wherever the state has codified neo-Marxist minority politics in discrimination law, the institution of marriage is gradually subordinated to the dictates of political correctness. In the context of codified neo-Marxism, the legalisation of same-sex marriage is not what it seems. Instead of creating equal­ity, it can create inequality by empowering the persecution of dissenters from PC politics.

    In the Western world, dozens of cases have been brought against private enterprises, religious organisations or individuals by same-sex marriage activists. Some are reasonable in a secular society. Others are anti-religious bigotry masquerading as equality. In the UK, for example, the Equality Commission funded activist Gareth Lee’s case against a Northern Irish baker who wouldn’t write the political slogan “support gay marriage” on a cake. In my view, that is state-funded prosecution of a political dissident.

    The legalisation of same-sex marriage can give PC activists a new, taxpayer-funded power to prosecute those who disagree with them. While attacks on free speech may be an unintended consequence of same-sex marriage, they are so pervasive that Liberals should have prepared legislation accordingly. Yet many Yes campaigners deny the threat that marriage reform poses to freedom of speech and religion. Speaking to The Australian, Liberal Party president Nick Greiner said: “The necessary religious protections for ministers of religion, religious marriage celebrants, and use of church grounds and services, will be assured … Such freedoms are at the forefront of legislation drafted by senator Dean Smith and MPs Tim Wilson, Warren Entsch, Trent Zimmerman and Trevor Evans.”

    Freedom of speech is not protected in the Liberals’ draft bill. If LGBTQI marriage is legalised without sufficient protections for freedom of speech and religion, it will establish an oppressive regime that will become more so under Labor.

    Earlier this year, Opposition legal affairs spokesman Mark Dreyfus foreshadowed the extension of PC censorship under notorious 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act to sexual orientation.

    We know that freedom of speech will be affected by marriage reform after the fact because it has been attacked before the fact. Greens candidate Martine Delaney lodged a complaint against Catholic Archbishop of Hobart Julian Porteous for a booklet supporting traditional marriage. Porteous ultimately won the case, but had to defend free speech on marriage to the satisfaction of Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Tribunal.

    Activists have attacked numerous individuals to censor free speech that dissents from the PC line on same-sex marriage. Last year, church leaders were prevented from meeting at the Mercure Hotel in Sydney after queer activists threatened hotel staff. In December, a man drove a van into the Australian Christian Lobby office. It has come to light that the accused, Jaden Duong, allegedly told police he disliked the ACL because of its “position on sexuality”.

    This year, activists called for a boycott of Coopers beer after a video featuring Liberal MPs drinking Coopers while discussing diverse views on same-sex marriage aired. Last week, GP Pansy Lai was attacked by activists who called for her deregistration after she went public to support traditional marriage.

    There is little protection for traditional marriage supporters in the draft bill. The religious protections are limited to ministers or religious marriage celebrants and bodies that can prove their stance on marriage conforms to anti-discrimination law. The lack of protections leaves dissenters from LGBTQI marriage vulnerable to hate speech, harassment, boycotts and lawfare.

    People who understand the capital importance of religious freedom to liberal democracy should consider their options in relation to voting on marriage reform. Some might simply vote No in the postal survey. A second option is to introduce a positive right to religious freedom along with the new right to LGBTQI marriage. A third option for legal exemptions was prepared by the Wilberforce Foundation in its submission to the government committee on the exposure draft of the Marriage Amendment (Same-Sex Marriage) Bill. However, it was excluded from the Liberals’ same-sex marriage bill.

    There is a sound proposal which is largely absent from the current debate. In my view, it is the only approach that will protect religious liberty and freedom of speech in the spirit of secularism. The Presbyterian church has resolved to withdraw from the Marriage Act if forced by legislation to conduct same-sex marriage. The proposal reflects realism. The current Marriage Act is secular, consistent with our secular state. It does not represent the view that marriage is the sanctified union of a man and woman under God. The withdrawal of religions from the Marriage Act would strengthen the vital distinction between state authority and church authority.

    If the Yes vote wins public support, politicians should respect it by passing legislation to legalise same-sex marriage. However, understand that the draft bill could broaden the scope of state regulation of the family, private enterprise, private property and core freedoms. If passed in its current form, the same-sex marriage bill could empower taxpayer-funded activism against freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Consequently, I believe that legalisation of same-sex marriage should give rise to the withdrawal of churches, temples and mosques from the Australian Marriage Act.

  217. C.L.

    How come the gay lobby didn’t call for Julia Gillard to be raped when she opposed SS”M”?

  218. Boambee John

    m0nty at 0855

    You can’t have it both ways. You are either for political correctness or you are against it. Using it to attack the other mob undermines your argument when you whine about PC directed at your side.

    Indeed, and neither can you snowflaje.

    The hypocrisy is strong in m0nty.

  219. Stimpson J. Cat

    Everything is always just … out … of …reach.

    It could be worse.
    You could be seriously mentally ill and a cartoon cat.
    Not that it’s a competition or anything.
    Also you have a wife and I don’t.
    And probably hair.
    These are all allegedly positives.
    Count all of the positives, especially the ones you take for granted, all the time enough and eventually you will feel better.
    Trust me.

  220. alexnoaholdmate

    Of course m0nty would be completely silent if Lyle Shelton tweeted:

    The difference, Baldrick – and this is the heart of the matter – is that Shelton never would.

    Nor would any other person on the No side.

    Yet it’s the No campaign that is full of bigotty bigots being all bigotted, remember? It’s the Nos that are full of hate. We even need new laws to stop them from spreading that hate, according to the Yes campaign.

    Just ask Monty. If he isn’t working.

  221. Baldrick

    The difference, Baldrick – and this is the heart of the matter – is that Shelton never would.
    Nor would any other person on the No side.

    What right-minded person would tweet that shite and more still, what right-minded person would defend it.
    m0nty, you’ve disgraced yourself. Here, have a rake.

  222. Boambee John

    m0nty at 0920

    However, I find the culture wars terribly tiresome.

    So says a vigorous culture warrior.

  223. Mike of Marion

    C.L.
    #2494358, posted on September 11, 2017 at 10:00 am

    Not enough wheat bags!!

    “Never look at the mantel piece while your stoking the fire!”

  224. Philippa Martyr

    The hypocrisy is strong in m0nty.

    The dogma lives loudly in him?

  225. alexnoaholdmate

    What right-minded person would tweet that shite and more still, what right-minded person would defend it.
    m0nty, you’ve disgraced yourself. Here, have a rake.

    In fairness to Monty, he did condemn it.

    After being pressured to do so.

    While still arguing that it wasn’t a big deal anyway, because the person who wrote it is only five-foot-four, so they can fantasise about rape if they want to.

    Or something.

  226. Infidel Tiger

    How come the gay lobby didn’t call for Julia Gillard to be raped when she opposed SS”M”?

    The thing you have to respect about Gillard is that she is opposed to all marriage. She respects none of them.

    That is a quaint and charming position in this ridiculous age.

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