Monday Forum: September 11, 2017

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  1. C.L.

    Congratulations to Jimmy Maloney, Andrew Fifita and Paul Gallen for – respectively: 1) getting sent off for ten minutes; 2) dropping the ball on your team’s last hopeful play; and 3) dropping the ball on the try-line. Thanks.

  2. TheSemiMentalBloke

    Missed it by that much.

  3. TheSemiMentalBloke

    And not to be late at eight.

  4. Only licensed cats wearing the appropriate safety gear are permitted on this new thread.

  5. “I’m a lumberjack and I’ll vote NO.

  6. Rafe Champion

    For nerds, the weekly Heterodox Academy roundup. Heterod0x here means non-left. An example of the links, Charles Murray at Harvard, how they got it right to have a conservative speaker get a proper hearing on campus.

  7. Caveman

    SSM should be decided by The Bunker.

  8. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    well, well…in the top twenty

  9. TheSemiMentalBloke

    And may I just say Mr Speaker that I am a NObody.

  10. John64

    In the starting 18 which is a good place to be at finals time.

  11. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just ask Monty. If he isn’t working.

    Of course he’s working.
    It’s Sunday.

  12. C.L.

    The joys of multikulti:

    An episode of Border Control last night featured a Chinese witch bringing a number of the accoutrements of her rituals into the country which, as she explained through an interpreter, would be used to curse people. She seemed to be some sort of supernatural hit woman contracted to do a job on a local. She was waved through after inspection…”who are we to judge”.

    Meanwhile, a young American arriving to visit his girlfriend was deported in tears after it was determined he had worked one night a week as a chef during his last stay and might do so again. He could be denied entry for up to three years

    It’s a great show to recommend if you want to teach people to hate government (as they should).
    Earnest Paul Blart-style ‘officers’ rifle through underpants, sternly interrogate little old ladies about marmalade jars and don HazMat suits to open shipping containers purportedly crammed with cigarettes. They should all be fired. After being slapped around with a frozen contraband duck.

  13. Senile Old Guy

    Congratulations to Jimmy Maloney, Andrew Fifita and Paul Gallen for – respectively: 1) getting sent off for ten minutes; 2) dropping the ball on your team’s last hopeful play; and 3) dropping the ball on the try-line.

    With the coach then blowing up at the referees. I’m a lapsed* Sharks supporter and they just got outplayed. Blaming the ref is an admission that you did not play well enough to win.

    * I seem to be lapsed in about everything. I should care about this, but I can’t be bothered.

  14. Habib

    Sub 20, like a politicians IQ.

  15. Roger

    Profile of Angela Merkel at Quadrant Online:

    A few odd typos but it answers a lot of questions about Merkel’s DDR background (about which she has lied), career opportunism and ideological bent.

    In a familiar refrain, it notes that the German media leans towards the far Left and has given her a free ride, accounting for her popularity despite delivering the refugee crisis and record high electricity prices.

    Merkel championed a conference on climate change and social change in Essen in 2009 attended by a number of notables from the Western elite (John Podesta, Lord Giddens) which proposed the “decarbonisation” of Western societies, the introduction of planned economies, reduction of the number of private vehicles and the promotion of vegetarianism and the use of protein derived from insects to replace meat. It was acknowledged that governments would have to “reprogram peoples’ brains” in order to successfully introduce these changes.

    And she thinks Trump is crazy!

    RTWT

  16. Habib

    Don’t you mean “Erika“? That was supposedly her code-name while a STASSI fizzgig.

    She’s a big enough hatful, reminds me of Rosa Klebb.

  17. Senile Old Guy

    The Marriage Act currently denies individual choice and discriminates against same sex attracted people in Australia by defining marriage as “the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life”[1].

    DB: So what? The Act also discriminates as to number, age, and blood relation, and this is entirely justified, as is discriminating as to sex.

    I think there are plenty of other acts that deny choice, too. I think, for instance, I am denied the choice to walk into my neighbours house and walk off with their new TV. (And don’t say that I have the choice but have to wear the consequences. People who are already married have the choice to marry someone else but, like nicking stuff, it is illegal.)

  18. Roger

    It’s a great show to recommend if you want to teach people to hate government (as they should).

    The idiocy:

    Chinese witch here on tourist visa to practice your craft for gain? Welcome to Australia!

    Love sick American chef who admitted to a minor past indiscretion? You’re on the next flight home, mate.

    These people protect our borders.

  19. Philippa Martyr

    Philippa, I will try to trudge on knowing you are disappointed in me, but you have taken all the fun out of my life.

    Well done Captain m0nty. That’s my brave soldier.

    Don’t be too brave, though, because there are some slim-hipped lovelies out there who might look askance at you.

  20. Philippa Martyr

    DB: So what? The Act also discriminates as to number, age, and blood relation, and this is entirely justified, as is discriminating as to sex.

    Not for much longer. Every argument accepted for SSM is an argument for polymarriage and consanguinous marriages.

  21. Des Deskperson

    From the earlier thread:

    “The [National Mental Health] Commission is concerned about the potential negative health impacts these debates about marriage equality will have on individuals, couples and families as they are exposed to continued scrutiny and judgement.

    Here’s the Commission’s org chart

    http://www.mentalhealthcommission.gov.au/media/123276/NMHC%20Organisational%20Chart.pdf

    Another tiny, top heavy agency, with a CEO, and SES Band one and seven – count ’em – Executive level staff. With almost no supervisory responsibilities, these must be the softest ELs in the APS.

    And look at the wankerette calling herself a ‘Chief Operating Officer’. grandiose title in places like Tax and Human Services but this is an organisation of 15 people, 11 of whom, BTW are women.

    Rabz ’em!.

  22. thefrolickingmole

    Every argument accepted for SSM is an argument for polymarriage and consanguinous marriages.

    What about some justice for the love that dare not bark its name??

    What is Crufts but a week long neigh pride parade??

  23. Zyconoclast

    What is it with pro-SS”M” Asians, by the way?
    One calls for MPs to be raped, another detonates a car bomb.
    Calm the hell down, fellas. This isn’t Enter The Dragon.

    Fist of Fury?

  24. notafan

    Every argument accepted for SSM is an argument for polymarriage and consanguinous marriages

    That is okay, real libertarians are totally down with polygamy already.

    And as it has a long and continuous history in certain parts of the world why not. all cultures being equal and financial prosperity being the real key to utopia.

  25. Arky

    You lot were despicable and unfair to Monty on the previous thread.
    He thought the guy threatened to “hate rake”.
    Of course Monty agreed.

  26. Philippa Martyr

    What is Crufts but a week long neigh pride parade??

    Legalising marriage with children and animals will take longer because there are questions of consent to be worn down through specious argument and public howling.

    Children will be first: the age of consent is pretty much a dead letter on the statute books already. It’s only useful for historical cases of child sexual assault, not present day ones.

  27. alexnoaholdmate

    You lot were despicable and unfair to Monty on the previous thread.
    He thought the guy threatened to “hate rake”.
    Of course Monty agreed.

    Wow…

  28. Philippa Martyr

    You lot were despicable and unfair to Monty on the previous thread.
    He thought the guy threatened to “hate rake”.
    Of course Monty agreed.

    I stand corrected.

  29. thefrolickingmole

    Just how insane are the climate racket mob??

    Having failed to convince they are now trying to return to the pre industrial age using the legal system..
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/10/the-guardian-view-on-climate-change-see-you-in-court

    Three major legal actions will test such thinking. First in the Philippines, where it is being determined whether polluters violated the human rights of Filipinos for their role in creating the conditions for Typhoon Haiyan, the strongest ever tropical storm to make landfall, which left more than 7,000 dead. Second in Germany, where a German utility company is being sued for costs associated with glacial lake flooding in Peru. Last in the US, where two California counties are suing 37 oil, gas and coal companies, claiming they knew their products would cause sea-level rise and coastal flooding, but failed to reduce their greenhouse gases.

    Fossil-fuel companies should be held accountable for the effects of climate change. Legal warfare has a two-fold aim: to overhaul transgressors’ business models so that they are in line with the global commitment to phase out fossil fuels and limit temperature rises to 1.5°C; and to get them to pay for damages resulting from global warming. Climate litigation is the inevitable result of a failure of two decades of talks. But it is also an important way of reframing the climate crisis as a human rights emergency.

    They individual have the power to act by returning to a pre industrial lifestyle, today.
    They choose not too.

  30. Pedro the Ignorant

    Along with Border Security, another TV show that is guaranteed to raise your blood pressure to dangerous levels is that abominable “reality” show RBT.

    Sanctimonious teenage coppers lecturing people who have blown .049 on their breathalyser thing “You are really lucky, mate, another fraction over and you could have killed dozens of children with your drunken and irresponsible driving”.

    Another reason I don’t allow bricks or similar hard objects in the TV room.

  31. Ez

    From JC’s post on the old fred:

    Wodge, the engineer.

    Wodge is a fucking moron. Look at this clown:

    All this talk of baseload is just a bunch of cobblers.

    Really?

    Philipp, you mentioned in a Guardian interview a few years ago that you needed a gas-powered backup to prevent vegetables becoming misshapen as supermarkets won’t buy them. There’s currently a bit of a campaign to change this attitude in supermarkets; are you a proponent of this?

    Saumweber: …We run primarily on renewable inputs but if for example, you have a clogged seawater intake pipe, while that gets fixed we rely on grid water. Similarly, in periods when we have 10 days of cloud and it’s freezing outside with not enough sun to heat the greenhouse, we revert to backup suppliers.

    Also, despite attempts to make out this is completely funded by PE money (KKR), there was $6m tipped in by the (broke) SA government and $40m funding (senior debt) from the CEFC.

  32. Snoopy

    But it is also an important way of reframing the climate crisis as a human rights emergency.

    Remember, Bob Katter is the the mad one.

  33. John Constantine

    We have our international obligations.

    This is how Barnaby put Australia’s submission to ruinables energy.

    Barnaby’s signature isn’t on the surrender document, but it has been signed and he has been told to go sell it to deplorable Australians.

  34. Zyconoclast
    #2494469, posted on September 11, 2017 at 11:53 am.
    Calm the hell down, fellas. This isn’t Enter The Dragon.

    Fist of Fury?

    It took a while but this one finally sunk in.
    Noice.

  35. John Constantine

    The left feel that it isn’t ‘Rape’ rape, if they only threaten to rape people that are literally Nazis.

  36. C.L.

    … there are some slim-hipped lovelies out there who might look askance at you.

    Slim-hipped lovely?
    No such thing.

  37. Top Ender

    Too good to be left on the old fred:

    Impressive!

    ANY city of a certain size has its fair share of blunders, bungles, white elephants and howlers.

    And Melbourne has seen a lot, from an innocent man wrongfully executed to the desal debacle and low-alcohol VB.

    Here are 10 of the worst stuff-ups Victoria has seen.

    COLIN CAMPBELL ROSS WRONGFULLY EXECUTED

    When 12-year-old Alma Tirtschke’s naked body was found in Gun Alley near Alfred Place in 1921, local wine bar owner Colin Campbell Ross was accused of her rape and murder.

    Tirtschke had been seen in the area of his wine bar before her death and strands of hair on a blanket in Ross’s saloon resembled those of the murdered girl.

    Despite always claiming to be innocent, Ross was convicted and sentenced to death. He was hanged at Old Melbourne Gaol in April 1922.

    Ross’s barrister continued attempts to clear his name but it wasn’t until 1998 that modern forensic testing began, to eventually find the hairs found on the blanket were not the victim’s.

    The execution was found to be wrongful, Ross was declared innocent and posthumously pardoned in 2008. It remains the only posthumous pardon for a person executed in Australia.

    FAKE EXECUTIVE WHO HAD MORE FRONT THAN MYER

    Andrew Jeffrey Flanagan looked excellent on paper, but when retail giant Myer hired him as general manager for strategic and business development, things didn’t go as planned.

    On his first day in the job, which would have earned him $400,000 a year, it was discovered his CV was completely fake and he wasn’t qualified for the job.

    It happened when a company listed by Flanagan as a previous employer claimed they had never hired him.

    A subsequent investigation also found he had lied to get lucrative jobs at clothing chain Rivers, Bendigo Health and the Australia Arab Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

    He was made to undertake a community corrections order with treatment for alcohol and mental health.

    THE MYKI DEBACLE

    It was the $1.5 billion train ticket that Melbourne never thought it needed.

    The project for a new contactless card system started in 2005 and was supposed to be finished in 2007. But by 2013 it still wasn’t properly rolled out.

    On top of a nightmare press conference in which a Myki machine literally fell apart when handled by then transport minister Lynne Kosky, the system was plagued by blowouts, delays and computer glitches, including money going missing during the auto top-up process and accuracy problems with billing.

    As late as 2015 one commuter checked their Myki balance to find they supposedly owed $2.6 million — later blamed on a glitch.

    LOW-ALCOHOL VB

    A move by Carlton and United Breweries in August 2009 to cut the alcohol content of Victoria Bitter by 0.2 per cent was meant to save them tens of millions of dollars a year in beer tax and prevent a price rise.

    But it was a disaster. Before long Victorians who had been drinking the brew for decades were turning away and despite claims by the company the taste was unchanged, drinkers noticed a difference.

    As Rosedale power station worker Jim Pawley said in 2009, after 28 years of drinking VB: “I drank a can and a half of the new stuff and that was enough for me. It tastes like a yuppie beer. I even gave a slab away.”

    In the face of a loss of market share the brewers eventually caved and returned the beer to its full strength.

    WRONG ANTHEM AT THE DAVIS CUP

    It was the opening ceremony of the Davis Cup at Rod Laver Arena and pre-eminent jazz musician James Morrison was to play the national anthem of Spain, who had hosted and won the competition in the pervious year.

    But the anthem that organisers had given to Morrison to practice on the trumpet was the wrong one. It was the republican anthem used between 1931 and 1939, instead of the real anthem, Marcha Real.

    Spanish officials were furious and some stormed out of the arena, including sport minister Juan Antonio Gomez-Angulo.

    An official apology was made and the correct anthem was played after many Spaniards had left the stadium, but to add insult to injury, Lleyton Hewitt beat Spaniard Juan Carlos Ferrero in the final.

    THE DESAL WHITE ELEPHANT

    In the grips of drought in 2006 and 2007, which forced Victorians into water restrictions and killed countless front lawns across the state, the desal plant was dreamt up as a way to safeguard against future shortages.

    A location was chosen at Wonthaggi and Victorians were told the plant would cost about $3.1 billion.

    It was finally completed in 2012, but after water levels had improved, it was mothballed for about five years. Plus now the total cost looks like being more like a whopping $24 billion.

    Water finally began flowing through the plant earlier this year, a decade after the plan was put into motion.

    But that wasn’t after a massive equipment failure hampered the first time the machine would ever be turned on and working.

    WHAT A BUNCH OF BANKERS

    When you’re ahead on your foreign exchange trades, naturally you just want to keep going and going.

    And that’s what a team of Melbourne traders at NAB did in late 2003, but they ended up trading away $326 million chasing their losses on foreign exchange options.

    The traders David Bullen, Vince Ficarra, Luke Duffy and Gianni Gray were sacked when the bank found out what had been going on — between September 2003 and January 2004 the traders used loopholes to hide their unauthorised trades from superiors.

    But by the time it all came to light, it was too late.

    A judge later said the team of traders thought they were invincible and sentenced two of them to short stints in prison.

    THE WHEEL THAT WOULDN’T TURN

    A bold plan for a London-style Ferris wheel for $120 million seemed like the only magic bullet to punch a hole in Docklands’ growing mediocrity.

    The Southern Star Wheel, as it was then called, was erected and opened around New Year 2009.

    But in the extremely hot summer, which also saw the devastating Black Saturday bushfires, heat caused cracks up to 3m long in the structure and it was closed by WorkSafe after being open to the public for just 40 days.

    Concern was raised after the huge cracks were discovered by accident by a worker installing lighting.

    It took until late 2013 — almost five years after the cracks appeared — for the wheel to be reopened.

    The Melbourne Star, as it has since been renamed, is now turning.

    $1 BILLION FOR NO EAST WEST LINK

    The visionary road to connect the Western Ring Rd with the Eastern Fwy was ready to go in 2014, when the Coalition under Denis Napthine had signed contracts for the project ahead of the state election

    A month before the election, about 100 homes were even compulsorily acquired by the government to make way for the new infrastructure and it was expected that Labor would be locked into the project if they won office.

    But when Daniel Andrews became Premier, the road was spectacularly ditched, at a cost of $1.2 billion to taxpayers and a new raft of policies, including a plan to remove level crossings, was introduced instead.

    An Auditor General’s report later criticised bothe the Napthine Coalition Government and the Andrews Labor Government for both starting and abruptly stopping the project in a questionable way.

    ULTRANET

    It was meant to be a super portal for teachers, students and parents to connect online and improve education across Victoria.

    Instead it was ditched by the State Government in 2012 with associated waste of as much as $240 million, after it was decided the system wasn’t up to it.

    The cost blowout could reach $60 million and there was even a $1.4 million promotional party for the white elephant system, which so lacked the functionality it needed that it couldn’t be used.

    When the department originally signed a contract with supplier CSG in 2009, Ultranet was only meant to cost $71 million.

    An investigation by IBAC later found the tender system was improperly influenced and officials were given lavish gifts, including a trip to New York for the then Education Department deputy secretary, with no benefit to Victorian education.
    Can you think of any more stuff-ups? Let us know in the comments
    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/ten-of-the-biggest-blunders-and-stuffups-victoria-has-ever-seen/news-story/88459878d079bdaef281bb23aaa2f40a

  38. pete m

    other b lee films

    circle of iron

    love part 2

  39. cohenite

    thefrolickingmole

    #2494479, posted on September 11, 2017 at 12:05 pm

    Just how insane are the climate racket mob??

    Having failed to convince they are now trying to return to the pre industrial age using the legal system..
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/10/the-guardian-view-on-climate-change-see-you-in-court

    There have been a lot of legal action for and against alarmism. The granddaddy of them is of course Stuart Dimmock Claimant – and – Secretary of State for Education and Skills (now Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families) 2007.

    http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2007/2288.html

    Of course that doesn’t get a Guernsey with the alarmists because they lost, badly. Dimmock did not consider whether alarmism was real or not merely (sic) whether the side-effects of alarmism were as Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth were real; the case decided they weren’t. So the upshot was even if alarmism was real it had no side effects.

  40. Senile Old Guy

    ABC agitating for another illegal:

    As an 11-year-old growing up in suburban Melbourne, Colin Martin held promise as an ice hockey player — a nod to his birthplace in Canada. “He’s looking down the barrel of the gun in being sent to his homeland of Canada, where he has no support at all,” his father Neil Martin said. Colin has an intellectual disability. Since his teens he has been in trouble with the law, mostly minor offences like car theft and graffiti.

    So, to the ABC, car theft is a minor offence? And note that they write “mostly minor”, indicating there are some not-minor offences that they are not telling us about.

  41. OldOzzie

    Australian Politics Live: Renewables need to be subsidised, says Joyce – Who shows himself to be Totally Incompetent by his comments below

    Australian Politics Live: The government is set to turn up the heat on “blackout Bill” Shorten for policies that favour renewables over coal while Labor has flagged it will end its pursuit of Barnaby Joyce’s eligibility and will concentrate on inequality and energy. Follow rolling coverage from Canberra in PoliticsNow.

    Joyce on AGL meeting

    Barnaby Joyce says he witnessed AGL chief executive Andy Vesey say the energy giant was prepared to sell the Liddell Power Station in the NSW Hunter Valley.

    The Deputy Prime Minister said he was in a meeting with Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison when the AGL chief said he would be willing to sell the coal power plant.

    Mr Vesey said last week AGL planned to shut the plant down in 2022 and the company had no plans to sell.

    “I was at the meeting with the Prime Minister and the Treasurer with others when he said he would sell Liddell to a responsible party, now he is the boss and he said he would do that, now we will find a responsible party and see if he wants to sell it to them,” Mr Joyce told ABC radio.

    He would not say if the government would offer subsidies to a buyer to keep the coal station open to 2027.

    “I’m not going to start suggesting options because as soon as you suggest options they work out tactics to stop them so you don’t do it like that,” he said.

    Mr Turnbull and Environment Minister Josh Frydenberg will meet with Mr Vesey today.

    The Prime Minister said this morning the Australia would have a power shortage if Liddell closed in 2022.

    “We don’t want to have a repeat of the Hazelwood situation where a big power station is shut down asnd then there is nothing to put in its place and you get a big increase in prices,” Mr Turnbull told Triple M.

    “The closure of another big power station in NSW, called Liddell, in 2022 will result in a big gap in baseload power that year. So we are looking at all the options to plug that gap and the obvious one is the keep it running for a few more years.”

    ‘Renewables need to be subsidised’

    Barnaby Joyce says renewables need to be subsidised for Australia to meet its international climate change commitments despite the Nationals voting on the weekend to eliminate them.

    Mr Joyce said the vote against renewable subsidies and a clean energy target at the Nationals weekend conference showed power prices was the biggest concern for people in the regions.

    But he noted the parliamentary party was not bound to the motions passed at the weekend conference and that everything would be negotiated with its larger Coalition partner.

    “I believe we have got to comply with our international agreements, we are also part of a cabinet negations on international agreements and if you negotiate them you have got to comply with them,” Mr Joyce told ABC radio

    “Subsidies are essential if you want to comply your international agreement.

    “We are guided by our party and we respect the views from our party, we are not instructed by it, we’ve got to make sure that we take those negotiations into a Coalition, into our business arrangement with the Liberal Party.”

    Mr Joyce said a clean energy target was still on the table.

    “What it shows quite clearly is out in the regions power prices are the number one issue,” Mr Joyce said.

    “The number one issue for them is not same-sex marriage, it is not that Lachlan Macquarie or Captain Cook were bad buggers, it is not changing Australia Day, it is about energy prices.

    “Energy prices and how you have affordable and reliable power and how you manage to keep the dignity in the house with Mr and Mrs Smith on 123 Jones Street so they can actually have a job that requires power and have a house that they are able to afford to pay the bill.”

    Government deliberating on Finkel target

    Liberal frontbencher Simon Birmingham says the government is continuing to deliberate on Chief Scientist Alan Finkel’s recommendation of a clean energy target, after the National Party voted against the measure at its conference over the weekend.

    “Work on that recommendation out of Finkel continues, and we will make sure that we do all of the analysis that is necessary to make a decision that is in the interests of Australian consumers, households, businesses in terms of the way in which any clean energy target or similar policy could be structured,” Senator Birmingham told Sky News.

    Senator Cormann downplayed the Nationals’ motion, saying many motions get debated at party conferences.

    “We’ll of course hear the views of our membership, but we’ll also be very mindful about what is in the best interests of Australians to ensure affordability and reliability in our energy markets in the future, and what that requires is to keep on working on keeping baseload dispatchable power systems like Liddell open for as long as possible.”

    Senator Cormann said Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull would be working on keeping the Liddell coal-fired power station in NSW’s Hunter Valley open when he met with the CEO of Liddell owner AGL Andy Vesey today.

    “That is of course a key part of the Prime Minsiter’s discussions today and we will keep a focus on how we can keep that major generator going longer to make sure we have reliable power, cheap power, affordable power coming into the energy market, whilst of course pursuing new investments around areas like Snowy 2.0, other projects around the country that can also give us dispatchable power when we need it,” he said.

  42. Every argument accepted for SSM is an argument for polymarriage and consanguinous marriages

    Philippa, I tried to engage a Yes case supporter on Twitter about the very same thing but all she did was reiterate, not to worry, as no one is asking for this, even after I produced two articles demonstrating this was not the case at all.

  43. OldOzzie

    Australian Politics Live:

    ‘Grow a spine’

    Nationals senator Matt Canavan says people offended by the same-sex marriage debate need to “grow a spine” and stop being “delicate little flowers” amid warnings the campaign was having an impact on the mental health of gay people.

    Mr Canavan said this morning the debate had not been “that bad” in response to a statement by the National Mental Health Commission which issued concern about the impact the campaign could have on gay people.

    “Can’t we just all grow a spine and grow up? The debate hasn’t been that bad, indeed if there is any complaints to be had it’s from those who advocate Yes, some of the vile tweets and statements we have heard from Yes campaigners,” Mr Canavan said.

    “But I can ignore that, let’s stop being delicate little flowers and have a proper debate.

    “This is an institution that has stood the test of time for thousands of years, it is an institution that remains a union between a man and a woman in a majority of countries, all countries really in our region and that is going to be maintained for years.”

    Mr Canavan said it was hypocrisy for Yes campaigners to call No advocates bigots, given they would not go to Indonesia and do the same.

    “Say we do change the law here in Australia and apparently if you do hold a different view and hold a traditional view of marriage you are a bigot, how do we go to Indonesia and talk to them in reasonable way?

    “These people say if you hold a different view you are a bigot, Indonesia is not going to change.”

  44. OldOzzie

    Local banks’ $500bn of ‘liar loans’ could threaten financial stability: UBS

    Australian banks are sitting atop $500 billion worth of “liar loans” sold to borrowers who gave lenders false information to get a mortgage, which has the potential to threaten the entire financial system as interest rates rise from current record-lows.

    The latest mortgage survey carried out by investment bank UBS found one-third of borrowers were not “completely factual and accurate” on their home loan application in the last year. One quarter of all borrowers said they were “mostly” accurate, while almost 10 per cent said they are only “partially factual” with their bank. Mortgages sold through brokers, which now account for around half of all home loans, were found to be less factual than those sold through a bank.

    UBS analyst Jonathan Mott said borrowers were also finding it easier to get a mortgage approved than in previous years. “When asked about the amount of supporting documentation and verification required, participants stated there has been no increase,” he said.

    “Given the rising level of misstatement over multiple years we estimate there are now ~$500bn of factually inaccurate mortgages on the banks’ books,” he said.

    There are around $1.6 trillion worth of mortgages held by the Australian banking system, and although defaults and loan delinquencies are currently low, analysts believe rates of arrears are set to rise.

    “Liar Loans” came to prominence in the US during the global financial crisis, which was exacerbated by mortgages that had been sold with inaccurate documentation.

    With household debt levels at record highs, house prices continuing to climb, and with income growth at its slowest pact on record, Mr Mott said the survey of 907 Australians who took a mortgage in the past 12 months, suggested borrowers were even “more stretched than the banks believe”.

    “Losses in a downturn could be larger than the banks anticipate,” he said.

    Responsible lending standards legally require banks to ensure they are not selling loans to borrowers who are unable to afford them and have increasingly fallen under scrutiny from the major financial regulators amid surging house prices and exploding levels of debt.

    Chairman of the Australian Prudential Regulation Authority Wayne Byres warned on Friday he would be intensifying the regulator’s focus on lending practices over the next year, and would be investigating banks to see if they were irresponsibly overriding their lending policies.

    APRA will be targeting whether banks carried out accurate assessment of a borrower’s income and expenses; whether banks had watertight processes to check credit history and obligations; and effective oversight to ensure lending practices meet standards.

    The Australian Securities & Investments Commission recently took Westpac, Australia’s second-largest bank, to court allegedly breaching responsible lending laws when selling interest-only mortgages. Westpac has denied the claims. ASIC has ramped up its surveillance of lending standards in the industry in recent months, examining whether banks correctly took into account borrowers’ ability to pay loans at the end of the interest-only period.

    “Despite recent macroprudential policies, the findings of this survey and the fact that mortgage approvals remain at record levels implies that there is little evidence mortgage underwriting standards have been tightened through the eyes of the consumer,” Mr Mott said.

    “We see these results as disturbing and difficult to reject given approximately one third of participants stated their application was not entirely factual and accurate,” he said.

    “If anything, we believe it is more likely these figures may understate the level of misrepresentation in mortgage applications as some respondents may not want to state they were less than completely accurate despite the anonymity of this survey.”

    While the official cash rate remains at a record low 1.5 per cent, Reserve Bank governor Philip Lowe last week warned that the economy was improving, foreshadowing that rate hikes could soon be on the agenda. Financial markets are pricing in around an 85 per cent chance of a rate rise by the end of next year.

  45. Baldrick

    54th Battalion A.I.F

    Hall, Arthur Charles (1896–1978)
    On 1 September, while the 54th Battalion was engaged in an attack on Péronne, a machine-gun post was checking the advance. Single-handed, Hall ‘rushed the position, shot four of the occupants and captured nine others and two machine-guns. Then crossing the objective with a small party, he afforded excellent covering support for the remainder of the company’. He was continually in advance of the main party, located many points of resistance and personally led parties to attack them. Next day, while his unit mopped up at Péronne, Hall rescued a wounded mate under shell-fire. For his actions on 1 and 2 September he was awarded the Victoria Cross.

  46. cohenite

    Barnaby Joyce says renewables need to be subsidised for Australia to meet its international climate change commitments despite the Nationals voting on the weekend to eliminate them.

    FMD, this purple faced locust would have to be the biggest disappointment in politics; renewables, alarmism, burqas and halal; the dickhead supports them all.

  47. stackja

    IT’S OKAY TO VOTE “NO”

    1. If you think every child deserves a Mum and Dad it’s okay to vote NO

    2. If you’re worried that taking gender out of marriage may take gender out of our schools it’s okay to vote NO

    3. If you’re concerned same sex marriage may erode our basic human freedoms it’s okay to vote NO

    4. If you prefer marriage to mean Mum, Dad and the kids it’s okay vote NO

    5. If you respect Jesus it’s okay to vote NO

    Around the world where same sex marriage has been introduced people have been intimidated and prosecuted for expressing their belief in the traditional family of mum, dad and the kids.

    Jesus, the wisest person who ever lived, said: ‘at the beginning the Creator made them male and female, and said, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh”’. Jesus says traditional marriage respects logic and order of creation.

  48. OldOzzie

    The truth behind wild weather

    As Hurricane Irma batters Florida, with Anguilla, Barbuda and Cuba clearing up and Houston drying out after Harvey, it is reasonable to ask whether such tropical cyclones are getting more frequent or fiercer.

    The answer to the first question is easy: no. As the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change put it recently: “Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century.” The trend in numbers of major hurricanes making landfall in the United States has been slightly downward over the past century. Harvey and Irma have ended an unprecedented 12-year hurricane drought, in which not a single category 4 or 5 hurricane made American landfall. So whatever global warming is doing or will do, it is not so far increasing the frequency of such storms.

    The answer to the second question is less certain. Hurricane Irma is certainly breaking records: probably the strongest storm in the Atlantic outside the Gulf of Mexico, almost rivalling Hurricane Allen (1980) for the strongest hurricane ever to make landfall, wider in its impact than Hurricane Charley (2004) or Andrew (1992). Last week it sustained its 297kmh (185mph) winds for 37 hours, comfortably beating a record set by Typhoon Haiyan in 2013.

    But how much of this is down to better measurement? We will never know exactly how ferocious the winds of the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 were, or the great Barbados hurricane of 1780. An analysis published last month by the American government’s Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory stated: “It is premature to conclude that human activities, and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming, have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.”

    It remains possible that tropical cyclones are becoming slightly fiercer, but slightly less frequent, which would be consistent with some predictions of climate-change theory.

    Incidentally, as the climatologist Judith Curry said of Hurricane Irma last week: “The surprising thing about this development into a major hurricane was that it developed over relatively cool waters in the Atlantic, 26.5C, when the rule of thumb is 28.5C for a major hurricane”. So it was not exceptional warmth, but exceptionally low wind shear (high-altitude wind) that led to Irma’s birth.

    Let’s assume that there is a trend towards slightly fewer but slightly more intense hurricanes. What does it mean for policy? Pause to notice one truly spectacular feature of Harvey and Irma: how few people they have killed so far. By stalling near the Texas coast, Harvey caused huge floods in Houston, not quite rivalling those of 1935 in the city but still devastating to many people. Yet they killed only about 60 people. Compare this relatively low number (given the huge population of Houston) with the 10,000 dead in Galveston in 1900, or the 138,000 who died in Cyclone Nargis in impoverished Burma in 2008.

    It is a similar story with Irma. That Anguilla and Barbuda have been reduced to rubble with the death of only one person on each is astonishing. I am writing this before Irma fully strikes western Florida, but the state has had more warning than for Hurricane Andrew, which killed 65. People in countries or islands with sufficient prosperity and technology to warn, defend and protect each other are far less likely to die than in the past. Indeed the death rate from droughts, floods and storms globally is about 98 per cent lower than it was a century ago. Wealth is the best defence against storms.

    While the cost of damage from storms goes up and up, that’s because there are more buildings and more people in places such as Florida. But as a percentage of GDP the damage done by tropical cyclones has been declining steadily for decades.

    Houston’s recovery from Harvey is truly remarkable. Less than two weeks after the storm the airport was open, the water system was working and the electrical grid (which stayed on throughout for most people) was in good order. Hotels are no longer clogged with flood refugees and are taking normal bookings. The Convention Centre, to which victims of the flooding were taken, is reopening for conventions soon. Note that this survivability depends heavily on non-renewable energy: wind farms and solar panels are no use during hurricanes, while gas plants work fine, as do outboard motors on rescue boats.

    Adaptation is and always will be the way to survive storms. Given that hurricanes were hitting Florida, Texas and the Caribbean long before the industrial revolution, let alone the 20th century, it would be absurd to suggest that they could somehow be prevented by any climate-change policy. It would be no more absurd to try to promote calm weather through climate policies. (To be clear, I said the same about the record cold December in 2010: it’s not global cooling; it’s weather.) Adapting to cope with possible future storms will be necessary whether they become more intense or not.

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change conceded this in its last report. Vicente Barros, the co-chairman of Working Group 2, said at its launch that “investments in better preparation can pay dividends both for the present and for the future … adaptation can play a key role in decreasing these risks”.

    Nigel Lawson pointed out 11 years ago in his book An Appeal to Reason that adaptation policies had benefits over carbon-reduction policies: they work unilaterally; can be applied locally; produce results quickly; can capture any benefits of warming while reducing risks; address existing problems that are exacerbated by warming; and bring benefits even if global warming proves to have been exaggerated.

    The temptation to blame Irma on fossil fuels or Donald Trump, milking natural disasters for political gain, proved irresistible to some. This makes no more sense than blaming the Syrian civil war on climate change, rather than man’s inhumanity to man, which Barack Obama, the Prince of Wales, Bernie Sanders, Friends of the Earth and the World Bank were all tempted into doing. “In our assessment,” said a study last week by social and climate scientists, “there is thus no good evidence to conclude that global climate change-related drought in Syria was a contributory causal factor in the country’s civil war.”

  49. Tim Neilson

    Top Ender
    #2494495, posted on September 11, 2017 at 12:23 pm

    It’s actually worse than described. The water is flowing from the desal plant, but not because we need it. It’s flowing, at increased costs to the taxpayer compared with not taking it, as a Labor vanity project. People had woken up to the fact that we hadn’t got (nor needed) a drop of water from it, so Labor is using taxpayer funds to buy water we don’t need, just so they can say it’s not true that we’ve never got water from it.

  50. Baldrick

    They just can’t get enough of Ben and his opinions on #TheirABC:

    Richard Fidler ✔ @abcconvos
    Today, writer @mrbenjaminlaw on the ideological firestorm sparked by the Safe Schools program

  51. response to 249443
    I’m a homosexual and I’ll vote NO!

  52. Anthony

    The Kimster must be really pissed off at these hurricanes stealing his thunder.

  53. Tim Neilson

    Houston’s recovery from Harvey is truly remarkable.

    Texas is a red State. Its recovery looks “remarkable” compared with deeply Democrat New Orleans from Katrina because red States don’t have so many useless welfare dependents who see a natural disaster as a looting opportunity.

  54. H B Bear

    No doubt the ALPBC’s King of Smug Richard Fidler will condemn Law for his promotion of Yes case hate.

  55. Habib

    There’s little on the Melbourne list that stands out from the litany of fuck-ups inflicted by every administration, at every level. Worse of course is that no-one is ever held to account- see how keen on idiot schemes these arseholes are if personally liable for the inevitable failure/mass casualty event/smoking ruin/fake royalty fleeing country with swag etc.

  56. Baldrick

    No doubt the ALPBC’s King of Smug Richard Fidler …

    Oh for the want of another ‘d’.

  57. Arky

    It is disheartening to read the responses to Monty on here.
    Monty comes across in his writings not as one of those snide and self deceiving lefties, but as genuine and amiable.
    He comes on here like a big, shaggy, excited beasty rolling onto his back and in a spirit of friendship allows all and sundry to nurse and suckle the teats of wisdom from his massive, exposed gudder.
    On return he recieves your pathetic lampooning.
    Shame on you all.
    Oh you miserable wretches.
    You turgid swine,

  58. C.L.

    With a straight face, Jacqueline Maley in the SMH decries fake news:

    The prime ministerial beer and baby controversy – fake news at its finest.

    When the media confect a story about a non-existent public outrage that then seek comment on that outrage, well, what can you call it but an outrage?

  59. Baldrick

    Despite the climate porn perpetrated by the usual suspects, this guy’s a classic.

  60. Diogenes

    An episode of Border Control last night

    meanwhile on Nein last night, ACA – a young lad , who thought he should be a girl, started using mum’s oestrogen to start the change, decides 2 years later he is really a boy.

  61. Mother Lode

    The answer to the first question is easy: no. As the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change put it recently: “Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century.”

    Having been told repeatedly that ‘Teh Science’ is settled and that warming is happening, and not quite grasping that such proof was supposed to be things like 75% confidence that today is calculated at 24.15C while we calculate it was 24.12C last year, there is a problem with arguing the urgence to act on warming which you cannot actually feel.

    Fully primed for catastrophe it takes only the slightest trigger to fire outrage: It was a warm night last night – we’re to blame. There was a storm on the weekend – won’t someone think of the children!

  62. Rabz

    Another reason I don’t allow bricks or similar hard objects in the TV room.

    It is a breach of peoples’ human rights that punchable TVs still have not been invented and mass marketed.

  63. So how did those rallies for the Yes vote go over the weekend?

  64. Top Ender

    Labor is using taxpayer funds to buy water we don’t need, just so they can say it’s not true that we’ve never got water from it.

    That’s really sad TN, but thanks.

  65. Barnaby Joyce says renewables need to be subsidised …

    Right there is a truth and reason for never allowing the use of roonables!

  66. Stimpson J. Cat

    Richard Fidler ✔ @abcconvos
    Today, writer @mrbenjaminlaw on the ideological firestorm sparked by the Safe Schools program

    Who in their right mind wants to listen to a literal Dick Fidler?

  67. Rabz

    A location was chosen at Wonthaggi and Victorians were told the plant would cost about $3.1 billion.

    It was finally completed in 2012, but after water levels had improved, it was mothballed for about five years. Plus now the total cost looks like being more like a whopping $24 billion.

    Habib, you’ll be pleased to hear we have an unused desal plant here in Sydneystan.

    I’ve long maintained it is an obscenity that there aren’t various political imbeciles languishing in gaol over the construction of those useless pieces of rubbish, constructed due to the incessant screeching alarmist idiocy of one Perfesser Dim Flummery.

  68. kae

    He–o?
    He–o?

    C-n y– h–r m-?

    I lost my voice over two weeks ago and I need it back.

    Bonus, no answering the phone at work. Woohoo.

    16 years.
    No change.
    No gumption from government.

  69. University of Sydney’s new Ad campaign: Unlearn Truth. Wow. Just wow.

  70. Boambee John

    Don’t be too brave, though, because there are some slim-hipped lovelies out there who might look askance at you

    Is m0nty still having his homo-erotic fantasy about “slim hips”?

  71. kae

    Can I enquire when Barney Joyce left Planet Earth?

  72. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Despite the climate porn perpetrated by the usual suspects, this guy’s a classic.

    What the hell colour is that “journalist”?

  73. alexnoaholdmate

    meanwhile on Nein last night, ACA – a young lad , who thought he should be a girl, started using mum’s oestrogen to start the change, decides 2 years later he is really a boy.

    The very fact that Nine ran that story is a good sign.

    I think a lot of the wind is leaving that sail. People saw the ridiculous “debate” about transgender bathrooms in the US – remember, if you don’t want your fourteen your old girl exposed to boys’ penises in the locker room at school, you’re a bigot – the fact that Caitlyn Jenner has turned out not to be the hero we needed after all (probably because Jenner votes Republican)…

    … and they’re starting to question it all at last.

    I think the same sex marriage plebiscite will be a real eye opener, and will settle things down a bit after it’s done. If the Yes team wins (and I suspect they will), it won’t be the overwhelming victory they really need. It will be lukewarm at best. And who knows? Maybe it will even be No.

    Either way, the people who push this nonsense will be faced with the indisputable evidence that the public is weary of all this crap. It will go on the back burner, and cost-of-living will likely be the major news fixation for the next political cycle.

  74. H B Bear

    Another reason I don’t allow bricks or similar hard objects in the TV room.

    Nerf guns are the answer.

  75. Mother Lode

    So how did those rallies for the Yes vote go over the weekend?

    Given the propensity for lefties to shave ever finer orthodoxies, it will have taken herculean restraint to stop one sub-group of the yes vote from attacking another sub-group with star-pickets and plastic bottles filled with urine, for not supporting the ‘yes’ vote in the acceptable way.

  76. Top Ender

    Oz news just out:

    Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz has slammed what he terms a “disappointing double standard” in the same-sex marriage debate from “self-appointed media elite”.

    Senator Abetz cited three examples from the last 48 hours, leading with the response to The Australian’s story about writer and same-sex marriage advocate Benjamin Law’s Twitter joke about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    “A left-wing comedian “jokes” about rape and having sex with right-wing members of parliament and there is relative silence and some MP’s even try to run a defence,” Senator Abetz said. “Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.”

    Senator Abetz also objected to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s declaration that he will legislate for same sex marriage even if the people vote no.

    “Despite this, the same journalists and commentators who have demanded of me and others that we accept the will of the people have been silent,” he said.

    Last year the Daily Mail headlined an article about Senator Abetz’s relationship with his gay press secretary “the awkward moment Senator Eric Abetz gets flustered as he refuses to say the word ‘gay’ in front of his homosexual staffer”, after Senator Abetz described the staffer as “same-sex attracted” during an ABC TV interview.

    “It was disappointing that when Tanya Plibersek used the exact same term in a press conference that the same commentators and outrage merchants didn’t have a word to say about her use of the phrase,” Senator Abetz said.

  77. and the promotion of vegetarianism and the use of protein derived from insects to replace meat.

    Merkel, I give you one guess as to where you can stick your Soylent Green.

  78. thefrolickingmole

    allows all and sundry to nurse and suckle the teats of wisdom from his massive, exposed gudder.

    If only they could marry…

  79. OldOzzie

    Australian Politics Live: same-sex marriage debate under microscope

    Tasmanian Liberal senator Eric Abetz has slammed what he terms a “disappointing double standard” in the same-sex marriage debate from “self-appointed media elite”.

    Senator Abetz cited three examples from the last 48 hours, leading with the response to The Australian’s story about writer and same-sex marriage advocate Benjamin Law’s Twitter joke about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    “A left-wing comedian “jokes” about rape and having sex with right-wing members of parliament and there is relative silence and some MP’s even try to run a defence,” Senator Abetz said. “Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.”

    Senator Abetz also objected to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s declaration that he will legislate for same sex marriage even if the people vote no.

    “Despite this, the same journalists and commentators who have demanded of me and others that we accept the will of the people have been silent,” he said.

    Last year the Daily Mail headlined an article about Senator Abetz’s relationship with his gay press secretary “the awkward moment Senator Eric Abetz gets flustered as he refuses to say the word ‘gay’ in front of his homosexual staffer”, after Senator Abetz described the staffer as “same-sex attracted” during an ABC TV interview.

    “It was disappointing that when Tanya Plibersek used the exact same term in a press conference that the same commentators and outrage merchants didn’t have a word to say about her use of the phrase,” Senator Abetz said.

  80. OldOzzie

    Top Ender – Sorry – Snap

  81. stackja

    Rabz
    #2494531, posted on September 11, 2017 at 1:12 pm

    ALP/MSM said desal was needed and the alternative idea of recycled water was unhealthy.

  82. Rabz

    Senator Abetz described the staffer as “same-sex attracted” during an ALPBC TV interview

    Yes, these are really weighty matters of state.

  83. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NEWS
    MPs slam ‘vile’ tweets of gay campaigner

    The Australian
    12:00AM September 11, 2017

    Joe Kelly
    Political reporter
    Canberra
    @joekellyoz

    Coalition MPs have lashed the ­author of the latest Quarterly Essay — which calls for a national rollout of the controversial Safe Schools program — over a lewd tweet joking about “hate f. king” the homophobia out of “anti-gay MPs in parliament”.

    Benjamin Law, a columnist for Fairfax’s Good Weekend magazine and an active campaigner for same-sex marriage, posted the tweet on August 30 that triggered numerous replies including comments such as “start with Hastie” — a reference to West Australian Liberal MP and former member of the SAS Andrew Hastie, who ­defends traditional marriage.

    Law replied by posting: “(sighs heavily, unzips pants)”.

    POLITCSNOW: Abetz slams ‘media elite’

    Another user responded by posting a picture of National MP George Christensen, also a prominent defender of traditional marriage and the backbencher who led the revolt against the Safe Schools program. Law replied by posting: “(sets self on fire)”.

    The Australian contacted Mr Hastie yesterday about Law’s tweet, which said: “Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-f. k all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system.”

    Mr Hastie said the comment was unacceptable. “Noting my skills acquired in my previous ­career I’d like to see him try. If anyone on the No campaign jokingly suggested using sex as a weapon against Yes campaigners, there’d be immediate calls for their resignation and marginalisation. Instead this guy gets a 20,000-word platform from Quarterly Essay.”

    From the Oz. Where are the calls for Law to tarred and feathered?

  84. Mother Lode

    That is bizarre, DB.

    The good thing is, if they are going to encourage themselves to re-imagine the world, perhaps they can re-imagine it so they think they are looking upon utopia, while those of us actually here just go about our business.

    And, perhaps they can imagine they are eating gigantic feasts of lentil burgers and kale-beetroot-lychee shakes with Mao, Che and Lenin, even while they have no money and live under a bridge.

  85. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2494544, posted on September 11, 2017 at 1:19 pm
    Top Ender

    MSM/SSM is so predictable.

  86. Diogenes

    Another reason I don’t allow bricks or similar hard objects in the TV room.

    Nerf guns are the answer.

    For many years I had a supply of nerf balls next to my seat. They were removed when Mrs D agreed to stop watching the “breakfast” shows on all channels.

  87. Rabz

    Earnest Paul Blart-style ‘officers’ rifle through underpants, sternly interrogate little old ladies about marmalade jars and don HazMat suits to open shipping containers purportedly crammed with cigarettes. They should all be fired. After being slapped around with a frozen contraband duck.

    I’d prefer they were all subjected to TSA style cavity searches before being herded into shipping containers laden with contraband Chinese herbs and bulldozed off a high cliff into the sea.

  88. Philippa Martyr

    Philippa, I tried to engage a Yes case supporter on Twitter about the very same thing but all she did was reiterate, not to worry, as no one is asking for this, even after I produced two articles demonstrating this was not the case at all.

    Same here, ducks. Guy who went to a catholic school for x years, straight, married, lecturing me on Facebook about how silly I was to think the Church might cop a bit of flak as a result of the law change.

    Zero evidence, but very glad to call me a bigot.

  89. So when you show him evidence from o/s, does that wipe the shit-eating grin from his face or only make it worse?

  90. Kev

    A mate of mine from 7RAR is being considered for a VC nearly 50 years after the event. On Tuesday, the Defence Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal sitting in Canberra will be asked to award him Australia’s highest honour, the Victoria Cross.
    See more here
    The fact that there were no VCs awarded to the RAR after years of fighting from Long Tan thru Coral thru hundreds of smaller battles was always a bone of contention amongst us vets.

  91. Muddy

    Top Ender.
    Leaving aside the hanging of the wrong man, which is obviously a tragedy and one that makes me rethink my support for the death penalty, the problem with the other massive ‘mistakes’ is that our attitude seems to be “Whatever, let’s just move on. We couldn’t have done much with that $10 billion anyway.”

  92. Rabz

    Could anyone here seriously picture m0nty chowing down on a plate of cockroaches, grasshoppers and preying mantis?

  93. Philippa Martyr

    So when you show him evidence from o/s, does that wipe the shit-eating grin from his face or only make it worse?

    I walked away. He simply couldn’t let go, and everyone else had moved on, but I foolishly stayed behind to try to calm him down. Lots of ad hominem later, I realised he was one of those blokes who has to have the last word, so I let him.

    I have a life; it’s not my problem if he doesn’t.

  94. notafan

    Sure worth risking your life for a new pair of shoes.

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – Fort Lauderdale police arrested 9 people caught by Local 10 cameras looting Fort Lauderdale business despite the dangerous winds and heavy rain from Hurricane Irma


    saw this on Facebook headlined as ‘Democrats’ looting

  95. Mother Lode

    Michelle Obama to be the Dumocrat candidate in 2020?

    If Trump does a half decent job, any reminders of the dark Obama years will be electoral poison.

    She is like her husband, except more explicitly vindictive and less personable.

  96. Muddy

    Kev.
    Good luck to your mate with that. My forte is WWII, and it’s remarkable how comparatively scarce the higher awards were (compared to honours) in that conflict compared to the Great War. I don’t know if the Americans had quotas like we did?

  97. alexnoaholdmate

    Michelle Obama outshines all Democratic prospects for 2020

    “Fuck it,” says Trump, after reading that headline. “I guess four more years it is, then.”

  98. OldOzzie

    Carr: For Democrats, no Catholic guilt
    Hatred of Christians is not new

    For Democrats substitute Labor and Greens

    By now it’s hardly a surprise that so many national Democrats have nothing but contempt for Roman Catholics. But what is surprising is that they no longer even bother to hide their distaste for devout Christians.

    Last week, at a Senate confirmation hearing for a Roman Catholic woman up for an federal appellate court judgeship in Indiana, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told the Catholic nominee this: “When you read your speeches, the conclusion one draws is that the dogma lives loudly within you, and that’s of concern when you come to big issues that large numbers of people have fought for, for years in this country.”

    Three words: abortion, abortion, abortion.

    Is it even remotely possible that Feinstein would have asked, say, a Muslim, if he believed any of the more militant, shall we say, passages in the Koran?

    Of course not. Any Democrat who questions the Religion of Peace would be drummed out of the party and forever shunned in polite society. But Catholics — hey, anything goes.

    But Democrats have always had an obsession about Catholics. They were the party of the Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow and separate but equal. As late as 2010, a former exalted cyclops of the Klan was a ranking Democratic member of the Senate. Hillary Clinton proudly described Catholic-hating bigot Robert Byrd as her “mentor.”

    But go back further. FDR, the Democratic president who presided over sending tens of thousands of Japanese-Americans to internment camps during World War II, put Hugo Black on the Supreme Court.

    Black, an Alabama Democrat, had been elected to the U.S. Senate in 1926 after delivering a series of 146 rabidly anti-Catholic speeches to his fellow Klansmen across the state.

    The more things change …

    As appalling as Feinstein’s bigotry was, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) may have been even worse, if only because he claims to be a Catholic. Durbin asked this question of his fellow Catholic, Amy Coney Barrett, a Notre Dame law professor: “Do you consider yourself an ‘orthodox Catholic’?”

    Sounds like something out of the early 1950s: “Are you now, or have you ever been … ?”

    Durbin, a shameless machine hack, is the No. 2 Democrat in the U.S. Senate. The only group he despises more than Catholics is the American military, whom in 2005 he compared on the floor of the Senate to “Nazis, Soviets in their gulags or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings.”

    Speaking of Pol Pot, at this same Senate hearing last week another Democrat brain surgeon named Al Franken decided to get in on the cross burning. He mentioned a speech Barrett made to the Alliance Defending Freedom, a group that defends religious liberty for Christians. Naturally, Franken called it a “hate group” and compared those Christians to … Pol Pot.

    This hate speech at Professor Barrett’s confirmation hearing is probably the greatest outburst of anti-Catholicism among Democrats since … October 2016. Just 11 months ago, Wiki­Leaks released a batch of emails among Hillary’s top campaign aides.

    In them, they sneered that devout Catholics are “severely backwards.” They ridiculed media executives who had converted, and mocked parents who sent their children to Catholic schools. As for Catholic Hispanics — the Clintons described them as “needy Latinos.”

    Shortly afterward, both Hillary and Donald Trump appeared together at the New York Archdiocese’s annual Al Smith dinner, named after the first Catholic nominee for president, against whom millions of pre-Feinstein Democrats voted because he was a … well, you know.

    Those emails showcased such appalling bigotry that Trump mentioned how incongruous it was for Hillary to appear before people she sneeringly called “deplorables” and “irredeemables.”

    “Here she is tonight, in public,” Trump said, “pretending not to hate Catholics.”

    Pretending is right. Same with the rest of them. But much to the chagrin of the modern Democratic party, Catholics are protected by the Constitution.

  99. Philippa, that wasn’t the thread on David Daintree’s Facebook was it? I was surprised by the supercilious comments your Speccie article occasioned.

  100. thefrolickingmole

    Kae, bloody well deserves a gong for that one.

  101. Tom

    From Ozzie’s 1.26pm link:

    The Democratic Party does not just need a new leader, but a new policy agenda that is aimed at growing our economy, promoting traditional party values and doing more than resisting President Trump at every step.

    Major Democratic donor Marc Lasry told The New York Times, “‘It’s gotten ridiculous,” and the Democrats “need a clearer message about what they want to do, not just about opposing Trump.”

    The Demorats won’t begin to start getting their shit together for 2020 until they get their arses kicked in the 2018 mid-terms.

    And Trump would be licking his lips if the DNC is so stuffed for a candidate they put up Barack Obama with a vagina.

  102. Muddy

    Michelle Obama to be the Dumocrat candidate in 2020?

    I think the greater worry will be what happens post-Trump. If something happens to him during this term, who else is there to fill his shoes? I’m not an expert in U.S. politics by any means, but there is no-one on the so-called ‘right’ who inspires me or even appears on my radar. The Republican Party, much like the Lieborals here in Venestralia, need to be the lucky winners of a scorched earth policy, allowing something new to arise from the ashes. Otherwise, it’s same-old, same-old, but with a decided list to port.

  103. Des Deskperson

    “So, to the ABC, car theft is a minor offence? ”

    But, SOG, one can see their point of view.

    All senior ABC employees almost certainly have a ‘total remuneration package’ that includes a tax-payer funded private plated sedan – probably top of the range.

    So if, say, Juanita Phiilips’ car was stolen, then it’s just a minor inconvenience. She would get someone in corporate to ring the fleet provider – usually on call 24/7 – who would bring around a new car pretty much immediately.

  104. stackja

    OldOzzie
    #2494569, posted on September 11, 2017 at 1:37 pm
    Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)

    Durbin is Dill

  105. thefrolickingmole

    If you thought Australia was stupid with its green lunacy..
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/10/norway-goes-polls-future-oil-gas-industry-green-party-kingmaker

    When Truls Gulowsen began campaigning in the 1990s, telling Norway it had both a moral obligation and an economic interest in phasing out the industry that has made it rich was not what might be called a vote winner.

    But as Norwegians go to the polls on Monday, the future of their country’s giant oil and gas business is a major electoral issue – with parties that back curbs or even a shutdown of the industry set to play a key role in post-election coalition-building
    ….

    Trine Daehlie, a medical student, said she would probably be voting for the small but fast-growing Green party, potential kingmakers demanding an immediate halt to further oil and gas exploration and the end of the entire industry in 15 years.

    “We want change, more social justice,” said Daehlie, a first-time voter who until recently planned to back Labour. “But the planet’s the biggest concern. And the green economy is happening everywhere – soon all our oil won’t be worth much.”

    Reality being..

    The collapse in the price of crude oil between 2014 and 2016 had dramatic consequences for Norway’s economy; 50,000 people – a fifth of the industry’s workforce – lost their jobs and state revenues from the sector fell 40%.

  106. johanna

    It’s worth having a look at the Sundrop Farm at Pt Augusta. Mirrors track and redirect the sun onto a collector, which glows with a burning golden intensity, even early in the morning.

    Capital costs largely paid for by SA taxpayers, plus various other lurks and perks.

    It was promoted by SA politicians as a “showcase” project to demonstrate how Mainland Tasmania is still in the thrall of the cargo cult, harking back to its ancestor, the Multi Function Polis. Apparently, the intention is to have entrepreneurs from all over the world flocking there because the gubbmint is so go-ahead and groovy about new technology.

    I researched this boondoggle a few years ago – can’t be bothered doing it again – but numbers on the ROI and cost of production were impossible to find. Wonder why?

  107. Habib

    Rabz, we’re in the rusty de-sal plant club up h’yar as well, never been used, costs a fortune, and cretins re-elected the dickheads responsible. Odd they embrace these things and recoil in horror at a nuke plant, the only thing that makes them viable in the ME. Cretins governed by microcephalus.

  108. Tom

    I think the greater worry will be what happens post-Trump.

    Relax, Muddy. Mike Pence will be only 65 in 2024.

  109. stackja

    Muddy
    #2494573, posted on September 11, 2017 at 1:39 pm
    Michelle Obama to be the Dumocrat candidate in 2020?

    I think the greater worry will be what happens post-Trump.

    In Trump’s administration, here’s the full line of succession.
    Vice President Mike Pence.
    Speaker of the House Paul Ryan.
    Senate President Pro Tempore Orrin Hatch.
    Secretary of State Rex Tillerson.
    Secretary of the Treasury Steven Mnuchin.
    Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
    Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

  110. Rabz

    What the hell colour is that “journalist”?

    The same colour as his red flouro jacket, or that’s an incredibly bad case of sunburn.

  111. Rabz

    I always love reading my CEC emails – here’s the latest:

    Content covered in the CEC Report is elaborated in the CEC’s weekly Australian Alert Service magazine, which reports on the political fight to free Australia and all nations from the financial control of the City of London and Wall Street. The 6 September issue includes the following:

    * Lead Editorial: BRICS development agenda the only antidote to war
    * Four days to have your say on banking bill
    * Trouble for CBA in USA
    * BRICS builds platform to solve world crises
    * LaRouche PAC statement: ‘No more Houstons!’
    * FDR knew how to respond to a monster storm
    * Penny-pinching worsened Houston flood
    * People’s Daily highlights LaRouche role in Transaqua project
    * Is Trump facing a new Cuban Missile Crisis?
    * ‘Russian collusion’ claims crumble as hoax revealed
    * CEC promotes Glass-Steagall at Adelaide Show
    * Hydropower—then and now

    ‘No more Houstons!’, indeed.

  112. Senile Old Guy

    “So, to the ABC, car theft is a minor offence? ”

    All senior ABC employees almost certainly have a ‘total remuneration package’ that includes a tax-payer funded private plated sedan – probably top of the range. So if, say, Juanita Phiilips’ car was stolen, then it’s just a minor inconvenience. She would get someone in corporate to ring the fleet provider – usually on call 24/7 – who would bring around a new car pretty much immediately.

    Yet again, Des reveals the state of the hive mind that is their ABC. No inconvenience and no expense.

  113. OldOzzie

    Democrats give away the Rust Belt by alienating Catholics

    It is not that voters like Republican candidates — it’s just that they just dislike Democrats more.

    The face of the Democratic Party has increasingly become the face of celebrity, scold, and entitlement. The people they used to attract to their “stand for the working class” creed have faded from their reach; they have lost touch with their needs and values and they certainly have lost touch with any type of meaningful message.

    They do not celebrate hard work, they demand supporters are pro-abortion, expect them to be agnostic and also expect them to stand for their multitude of identity politics. Instead of bringing people together and being part of a greater political party, division is the only way forward.

    A nationwide exit polling data shows Trump won Catholics by 52 percent to 45 percent over Hillary Clinton. A huge swing from the past two elections for Barack Obama when Catholics voted for him by margins of 9 points in 2008 and 2 points in 2012.

  114. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Australian contacted Mr Hastie yesterday about Law’s tweet, which said: “Sometimes find myself wondering if I’d hate-f. k all the anti-gay MPs in parliament if it meant they got the homophobia out of their system.”

    Mr Hastie said the comment was unacceptable. “Noting my skills acquired in my previous ­career I’d like to see him try.

    Scenes we’d like to see in a just world.

    A certain member of Gen. Snowflake slowly regains consciousness in a hospital bed. Both his legs are broken, as are most of his ribs. He is missing all his teeth, and can only see out of one eye.

    A number of medical orderlies and hospital staff surround his bed, all wearing stunned and incredulous expressions.

    One eventually breaks the silence.

    “Did you really threaten to hatefvck a former Captain in the Special Air Service Regiment?”

  115. Fergus

    Does “No means no” to Mr Law?

  116. Muddy

    The issue which these names do not address, is the Republican Party, and their willingness and ability to obliterate the ‘Democrats’ using the growing pile of political ammunition now being let loose by the Left’s action arms. Again, similar to the Lieborals here in VenAust. With Labour’s record, how is it that the Government has not reduced them to incontinent, emotional wrecks?

    Again, metaphorically BURN the LIBERAL CORPSE until nothing but ashes remain. Allowing fauxconbies (faux conservative zombies) to remain standing, twitching, and dripping pus on the carpet, will be a deterrence to anything new on the right of the political spectrum.

  117. Zyconoclast

    meanwhile on Nein last night, ACA – a young lad , who thought he should be a girl, started using mum’s oestrogen to start the change, decides 2 years later he is really a boy.

    A boy with boobs?

  118. Muddy

    Labor, that was meant to be. Fukkas for the wukkas.

  119. C.L.

    So how did those rallies for the Yes vote go over the weekend?

    A bigger bomb than the van in Canberra.

  120. notafan

    Michelle Obama outshines all Democratic prospects for 2020

    Opponents just need to remind young people that her pinnacle achievement as Mrs President was the school lunch programme.

  121. Muddy

    Zulu.
    Have you seen this?

    The soldiers of 32 Battalion were so feared by their enemies that they were called ‘the terrible ones’. This comprehensive two-volume work covers in detail the unit’s 117 documented military operations from 1976 to 1993. Nortje explains how the operations were planned and executed, what went wrong, what went right, and what the outcomes were. It also goes back to the early 1960s, covering events in Angola that would eventually result in the formation of 32 Battalion, and it ends in 2005, when the soldiers of the unit unknowingly betrayed themselves. This work builds a more complete picture than Nortje’s first book 32 Battalion, published in 2003. It is based on over 10,000 pages of documents in the Department of Defence Documentation Centre, which have only recently been declassified. Because of his security clearance, Nortje had access to these documents before their declassification, and was able to use them to write this book. Complementing the documentary evidence are 233 personal recollections: interviews that Nortje conducted with 32 Battalion members, as well as Portuguese, SWAPO, Cuban and Russian soldiers. These give the perspective of the men on the ground, an element often missing from military history. Based on rich documentary evidence which has never been available to the public before: military documents that were classified until recently, it gives the perspective of the men in the trenches.

    It looks like a decent story, but beyond my budget at the moment.

  122. Got into work today and lo and behold someone has hung up a fag flag.
    Thinking of beginning my complaint to HR (that will be ignored) with the following line;
    “As a member of an increasingly targeted and persecuted religious minority…”
    That should confuse them.

  123. Bruce of Newcastle

    I researched this boondoggle a few years ago – can’t be bothered doing it again – but numbers on the ROI and cost of production were impossible to find.

    I love Sundrop for exploding the heads of Greens.
    Whenever they go the full Malthus I just point them to Sundrop and say there you are, food problem solved & water problem solved (since they desalinate seawater). Since Sundrop is part of the Green religious canon they then go quiet and slink off.

  124. notafan

    “We want change, more social justice,” said Daehlie, a first-time voter who until recently planned to back Labour. “But the planet’s the biggest concern. And the green economy is happening everywhere – soon all our oil won’t be worth much.”

    Back to a smoke filled chimneyless one room cabin with a pot of watery gruel and the occasional pickled herring for you young lady, young Norwegians have no idea what life was like in their country pre modernity.

    Enjoy your long cold dark renewable winters.

  125. Zyconoclast

    Michelle Obama outshines all Democratic prospects for 2020

    Going for the black, transsexual vote?

    I reckon Hillarious should have another go.
    She can be permanently hooked up to a microwave oven so she is always warmed up.

  126. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Zulu.
    Have you seen this?

    The soldiers of 32 Battalion were so feared by their enemies that they were called ‘the terrible ones’

    Someone did mention the book before – I’ve got a copy on order.

  127. OldOzzie

    ABBOTT’S ADVICE COULD SAVE TURNBULL AGAIN

    Last week was Malcolm Turnbull’s best since becoming Prime Minister two years ago. If he sticks with Tony Abbott’s script, he may yet — incredibly — survive.

    But this applause junkie must learn the lesson: The Liberals win not when they are praised by the media pack, but attacked.

    Take last week’s pivotal event — the High Court’s rejection of a bid by same-sex marriage activists to stop next month’s postal plebiscite.

    Turnbull never wanted the people to have this vote. Like Labor and most of the media, he wanted a vote of politicians.

    The plebiscite was actually Abbott’s idea as prime minister, and most of the media still savage it for fear the public may not support gay marriage as politicians do.

    Turnbull stuck with Abbott’s plebiscite only because he was forced to by conservatives in his government, but he must now see he’s been given a huge weapon.

    Pity Andrew Bolt’s Link to his full column does not work

  128. herodotus

    So, to the ABC, car theft is a minor offence?

    It’s bicycle or sandal theft that gets their goat.

  129. notafan

    Notice the lack of panoramic shots of the huge yes crowd, and yes thousands, not hundreds of thousands, not even tens of thousands, I assume then that the total Australia wide couldn’t get over ‘thousands’.


    Another Gasian putting the yes case forward in an unvile and undivisive way, also red speedos make a comeback.

  130. Turnbull never wanted the people to have this vote. Like Labor and most of the media, he wanted a vote of politicians.

    Rule #2 – Never allow a vote on anything, unless you already know the outcome.

  131. johanna

    As a minority group, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Intersex and Queer (LGBTIQ) people disproportionately face negative mental and physiological health outcomes compared with the general population. LGBTIQ people continue to experience routine discrimination, prejudice, stigma, and exclusion in the community. It is difficult to determine suicide mortality rates for the LGBTIQ population as sexuality and/or gender identity may not be known.[2] However, a number of studies have found that members of LGBTIQ communities are more likely to experience mental health problems such as anxiety, depression, thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts and self-harm than their non LGBTIQ peers[3],[4], as a result of negative social experiences such as homophobia and bullying[5].

    Note that the possibility that these people have pre-existing mental disturbances is never canvassed.

    There is plenty of evidence that this is the case, especially among trannies. Pandering to their delusions does not help them at all – they go on to top themselves anyway, or at best remain deeply unhappy and dysfunctional.

    There was a story recently at Breibart about a 14 year old Australian boy whose parents facilitated (and agreed with) his “gender transition” to a girl. From the age of 12, they participated in him having hormone treatment and taking other drugs to arrest his male puberty, cause him to grow breasts, etc.

    Now, at 14, he has realised that he is in fact male, and the treatments have stopped.

    Nobody has a clue what the effect of the drugs might be on his long term physical health, let alone his mental health.

    These kids are simply guinea pigs in totally unethical medical experiments. Given the strict protocols surrounding conventional medical trials, that these things are allowed is extraordinary. Where are the ethicists, the watchdogs for testing new drugs and other therapies, the advocates for “the children?”

    Crickets.

    It’s a scandal, and the political class doesn’t give a rat’s either.

  132. Philippa Martyr

    Yes Dover beach, it was. The guy had such a burr in his frillies that there seemed no point continuing. Plus one of the lady commenter got Weird. David has some special friends. But he is much more broad minded than me!

  133. OldOzzie

    Channel 7’s Mark Riley likens burning coal to p**ophilia, and no one on the ABC panel protests:

    Try to sell that to the average voter. Clean coal is like nice p**ophile. It just doesn’t exist in their mind.

    (From 47:52)

    Riley would say this is not his own view but that of the average voter.

    But is it? I suspect there’s actually some projection here.

    Riley works in an industry that relies on coal-fired electricity to broadcast its product and to have it consumed. So what do we call people who profit from p**ophilia?

  134. A bigger bomb than the van in Canberra.

    So the MSM let it pass without notice. OK.

  135. Diogenes

    Mr Rusty,
    grow a beard, wear a caftan and make references to the Prophet (PBUH) . That might get their attention

  136. Zyconoclast

    It’s worth having a look at the Sundrop Farm at Pt Augusta. Mirrors track and redirect the sun onto a collector, which glows with a burning golden intensity, even early in the morning.

    Capital costs largely paid for by SA taxpayers, plus various other lurks and perks.

    They don’t even try and hide the handouts.

    We couldn’t have done it without you
    We’ve learnt that, to succeed, we need the help of local government and businesses.
    Our farm in South Australia was only made possible by the strong support of government,

  137. Boambee John

    herodotus at 1414

    It’s bicycle or sandal theft that gets their goat.

    Speaking of which, was the Great ABC Bicycle Theft Case ever solved? Which luvvie pinched the expensive bike?

  138. Muddy

    This looks interesting also, Zulu, if a bit old. It appears to look at events at the end of the war from a slightly different perspective though, which is unusual these days:

    This book examines the period between the unconditional surrender of Japan on 14 August 1945 and the arrival of Allied liberation forces in Japanese-occupied territories after 2 September 1945. The delay handed the Japanese a golden opportunity to set their house in order before Allied war crimes investigators arrived. After 14 August groups of Allied POWs were brutally murdered. Vast amounts of documentation concerning crimes were burned ahead of the arrival of Allied forces. POW facilities and medical experimentation installations were either abandoned or destroyed. Perhaps the greatest crimes were continuing deaths of Allied POWs from starvation, disease and ill-treatment after the Japanese surrender.The blame rests with the American authorities, and particularly General MacArthur, Supreme Allied Commander in the Pacific. MacArthur expressly forbade any Allied forces from liberating Japanese occupied territories before he had personally taken the formal Japanese surrender aboard the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay on 2 September 1945. Vice Admiral Lord Mountbatten, Commanding Allied forces in Southeast Asia, protested against this policy, believing that pandering to MacArthur’s vanity and ego would mean condemning many starving and sick prisoners to death. Deaths among British and Commonwealth POWs were significant as opposed to American POWs who were already largely liberated in the Philippines and elsewhere. MacArthur’s and the American leadership’s obsession with sidelining the British in Asia cost hundreds of British and Commonwealth lives, hundreds and hundreds of lives, that otherwise would have been saved if Mountbatten had been permitted to proceed with his liberation plans.

    For the non-military history nerds, relax. That’s my last one for the day.

  139. A bigger bomb than the van in Canberra.

    That wasn’t a bomb. It was a minor barbecue accident*.

    *Destruction of the front of the building was an insignificant side effect.

  140. max

    Lord Wentworth running in Race 3 today at Wodonga.

    Comment in form guide: ‘Prefer others’.

  141. Fisky

    LOL

    Hillary Clinton was so confident of victory last year that she bought a second house next to her residence in Chappaqua, New York, to accommodate White House staff during presidential retreats there.

    “I thought I was going to win,” she said.

    The New York Post reported last year on the Clintons paying $1.16 million for the three-bedroom, ranch-style home next to their house in Chappaqua. The newspaper’s source said at the time it was thought to be a weekend retreat for their daughter Chelsea’s family.

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-confident-victory-second-home-chappaqua-accommodate-white-house-staff/

  142. Philippa, the comments thread, of which I only caught early, was pretty disappointing in its idiocy. You bent over backwards to be generous but the responses you received, from putative Catholics, was without grace or sense. I have to say, lapsed and liberal Catholics are by far some of the nastiest and supercilious people you will ever meet.

  143. Stimpson J. Cat

    I think the greater worry will be what happens post-Trump.

    Just wait until Baron is 21.

  144. Mother Lode

    when Catholics voted for him by margins of 9 points in 2008 and 2 points in 2012.

    Glad to see that, between 2008 and 2016 the trend was for ‘smarter’.

  145. johanna

    Catching up, I see that the admirable Ez at 12.09 has filled in some blanks on the SA vegies in the desert using ruinables boondoggle.

    Thanks, Ez.

  146. Stimpson J. Cat

    Michelle Obama outshines all Democratic prospects for 2020

    He has no chance.

  147. Snoopy

    So how did those rallies for the Yes vote go over the weekend?

    A bigger bomb than the van in Canberra.

    Yeah, well you wouldn’t be out on the streets either if Christian Nazis on wheels were threatening to run you over at almost full speed.

  148. OldOzzie

    Cranbourne North Coles store attacked by group of 20 youths

    A GROUP of up to 20 youths has ransacked a Coles store in Cranbourne, allegedly assaulting and verbally abusing staff who tried to stop them.

    Posting on the Casey Crime Page, Cranbourne West resident Alicia Fulcher said she went to the Springhill Coles store on September 9 when she saw the attack happen.

    “I’ve just been at Springhill Coles and witnessed the b******** who ransacked Coles and abused a bunch of people,” she wrote.

    “At least 20 youths, aged in their teens and late 20s have stolen armfuls of stock from these shops and then stood around laughing at their conquests.

    “The poor staff at Coles copped verbal and physical abuse as they tried to stop these a******* from stealing.

    “I’m so sick and tired of these p***** who believe that they can do anything they like.

    “I was brought up in a beautiful community that felt safe and now I can’t even take my children to do grocery shopping with me.”

    Speaking on 3AW this morning Ms Fulcher said some of the group looked as young as 11 to 12 years old and were all of African appearance.

    Another woman, named Debbie, told 3AW she also saw the Coles incident saying the group showed “no fear of being caught”.

    She said she called police but they were “too late” to catch them.

    “I was petrified, they had no fear, they knew the police were coming,” she said.

    Eddie Duncan wrote on the Casey Crime page that he believed he saw the same group at local primary school the same day, fooling around on the roof.

    “The school seems to be a hangout… there was really about 40 kids at school only half went to supermarket,” he said.

    In August a group of youths robbed a Kathmandu store in Narre Warren in the middle of the day.

    Six youths walked into the Fountain Gate store at 4.30pm on August 13, helped themselves to jackets and then ran out without paying.

    Comment has been sought from Victoria Police and Coles.

  149. Muddy

    max #2494613, posted on September 11, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Lord Wentworth running in Race 3 today at Wodonga.

    Comment in form guide: ‘Prefer others’.

    How about: ‘Preens well in the stalls but runs with a limp to the left.’

  150. Stimpson J. Cat

    Yeah, well you wouldn’t be out on the streets either if Christian Nazis on wheels were threatening to run you over at almost full speed.

    Is there any proof they were actually Christians?
    I mean Nazis, sure.

  151. John64

    A new week but the same old Groundhog Day in QT.

    Barnaby gets up to the dispatch box. Tony Burqa moves the gag. The Liars lose the division.

    The Liars are completely overegging this. Keep it up much longer and it could blow up in Tits McPeanuthead’s face.

  152. Stimpson J. Cat

    African appearance.

    Goddamned South Africans.
    Every.
    Single.
    Time.

  153. stackja

    SSM Yes reminds of 1950s communists. No chance of agreement. Just usual vitriol. Stalinism in 21st Century.

  154. Muddy

    Stimpson J. Cat

    #2494624, posted on September 11, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    Yeah, well you wouldn’t be out on the streets either if Christian Nazis on wheels were threatening to run you over at almost full speed.

    Is there any proof they were actually Christians?
    I mean Nazis, sure.

    You’re a brave Cat, Mr. Stimpy. I didn’t think we were allowed to use the ‘C’ word anymore. Isn’t that hate-speech now? Somewhere, a Fridgelamic family is quivering in fear. Your secret is safe with me. (For a price, of course).

  155. Bruce of Newcastle

    Odd choice for Q&A tonight.

    Zed Seselja – Assistant Minister for Social Services and Multicultural Affairs
    Mark Dreyfus – Shadow Attorney-General
    Lucy Gichuhi – Independent Senator for South Australia
    A.C. Grayling – Philosopher
    Merav Michaeli – Chair of the Zionist Party, Israel

    Country shoppers, Manus and Nauru with maybe a smidgin of Israel-bashing. And maybe a little bit of sado-SSM, but not too much in case that naughty ‘no’ word gets an airing.

    4:2 since the Israeli is a lefty activist.

  156. OldOzzie

    Muddy
    #2494623, posted on September 11, 2017 at 2:32 pm
    max #2494613, posted on September 11, 2017 at 2:25 pm

    Lord Wentworth running in Race 3 today at Wodonga.
    Comment in form guide: ‘Prefer others’.

    How about: ‘Preens well in the stalls but runs with a limp to the left.’

    Well Pay out on both!

  157. cohenite

    Speaking on 3AW this morning Ms Fulcher said some of the group looked as young as 11 to 12 years old and were all of African appearance.

    Black lives matter.

  158. Tom

    Hillary Clinton was so confident of victory last year that she bought a second house next to her residence in Chappaqua, New York, to accommodate White House staff during presidential retreats there.

    The most revealing factoid in Crooked’s Gurindji* interview at the weekend is that she hadn’t even prepared a concession speech in case she lost on November 8.

    She also had enough grip on reality to announce she won’t be recontesting in 2020 — probably because she may well be dead by then.

    *poor bugger me.

  159. P

    Received a Vote YES letterbox drop today.
    5 Reasons listed were same as here but without colour and minus the word Union.
    Also a change in point 5 to ‘Good for Australia’ replacing the word ‘Progress’.

  160. Senile Old Guy

    Surprise!

    Merav Michaeli discusses the institution of marriage as an out-of-date and un-evolved concept in modern society. Examining history and the traditional roles of men and women as they play out in modern society, Merav explores ways in which society could find itself even more enlightened by canceling the old-school concept of traditional marriage for a new and more culturally appropriate alternative.

  161. val majkus

    from the Oz (this follows the 4 corners report into alleged over pumping in the Barwon and upper Darling

    NSW’s top water bureaucrat Gavin Hanlon is facing charges of misconduct after an interim report into allegations of water theft in the Murray Darling Basin was submitted to the state government.

    The report released Monday found an urgent fix is needed in NSW to repair an “ineffectual” water-compliance and enforcement system.

    It comes after allegations of water rorting, including that Mr Hanlon helped irrigators undermine the Murray Darling Basin Plan, were revealed in a ABC Four Corners program in July.

    The NSW government appointed the former head of the National Water Commission, Ken Matthews, to investigate the claims and his team has since met with almost 40 people and received more than 3000 documents.

    Mr Matthews on Monday recommended a set of reforms to help overhaul the system – which he labeled “ineffectual” and in need of significant and urgent improvement – saying no change was not an option.

    Along with Mr Matthews’ probe, the allegations of water theft had been referred to the state’s Independent Commission Against Corruption.

  162. test pattern

    ‘medical experimentation installations were either abandoned or destroyed’

    Allies war crimes courts never went hard on them. Even when there was good evidence most were never charged and many were aquitted. An Australian War Crimes Court in Los Negros acquitted Admiral Yaichiro Shibata who had some 30 Indonesians injected with poison. Capt Hirosato Nakamura, a doctor, and L.Commander Tatsuzaki were aquitted with him because they claimed that the Indonesians they injected with an experimental tetanus drug had already been condemned to death anyway and because they were used in an experiment they got better care and died in hospital instead of being executed.

  163. Senile Old Guy

    1. Equality and fairness: All Australians should be treated equally under Australian laws and that includes being able to get married.

    2. This is about real people: This is about members of our family, our friends, our workmates, our neighbours and people who live in our communities. They should have the same chance for happiness, dignity and respect as every other member of our community.

    3. Love and commitment: Marriage is about the commitment shared between two people who love each other and want to build a secure future together. Marriage equality is good for them, their family and for our whole community.

    4. Australian values: This is the land of a fair go. Extending civil marriage to all Australians will make that true for everyone. Our laws should reflect the values we are most proud of.

    5. Progress: Extending marriage to all Australians is good for society. Marriage equality does not take away from anyone and it will not change anything for the vast majority of Australians but will make a huge difference to the status and dignity of one group of Australians.

    1. All Australians are not treated as equal under other laws, as noted on the Cat earlier.

    2. They have the same chance of happiness, dignity and respect.

    3. No, marriage is about a man, a women, and usually, children: the latter singular missing from any of the dot points.

    4. “Fair go”. Really? That’s a slogan, not an argument.

    5. “Progress”. Ditto: “progress” for its own sake is not an argument. And it will change something for most Australians: freedom of speech. Even without marriage “equality”, people are sued and reported to the HRC for simply saying “marriage is a man and a woman”.

    It’s a feeble argument for “progress”.

  164. Zyconoclast

    Scientists tracing ancient Aboriginal fire practices on remote Tasmanian island unearth fresh timelines

    “We radiocarbon dated the sediments and we discovered, to our amazement, that these sediments actually stretch back to 40,000 years.

    Professor Haberle said the radiocarbon dating suggested fire management had occurred on the island at least 41,000 years ago.
    He said the core sample showed fire regimes on lungtalanana/Clark Island had changed substantially over that period.
    “Part of that change was really due to the landscape management activities of Tasmanian Aboriginal people as they lived on those islands and used fire as a tool to manage the landscape,” he said.
    “What we see is that over most of the period of the record, frequent and low-intensity fires occurred on the island.
    “This can really only happen through regular burning of the vegetation, most likely because of people lighting those fires and managing the landscape

    Fires ‘catastrophic after colonisation’

    Lessons from ancient culture: academic

    Professor Bowman said traditional burning should play a greater role in today’s fire mitigation.
    “This would be, I think, a really great aspiration for Tasmania – to help a group of people who have had their culture disrupted by colonisation to rekindle their traditions and actually serve their society, our society, by making flammable, dangerous environments much safer,” he said.
    “This is getting quite urgent now because of the deteriorating climate conditions.
    “We must learn from the past, we must learn from the first Australians.
    “They obviously did something very clever, that they were able to sustainably coexist in a very flammable environment.”
    The group plans to return to the island before the end of the year to conduct further research, and use the findings to educate and train the next generation.
    Professor Haberle said when Tasmanian Aboriginal people left the island the fires became more intense.
    “When Europeans arrive there is a change in the fire regime and there are many very strong fires and in many cases catastrophic fires have occurred in the recent past,” he said.
    “Those fires are a result of the kind of changes in the land management strategy.”
    Professor Bowman said the findings were significant and could provide insight into how people adapted to changing climates.

  165. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Great to see you, kae!

    Definitely it is.
    You’ll have to speak up a bit though. We can’t hear you yet. 😀

  166. alexnoaholdmate

    Progress: Extending marriage to all Australians is good for society.

    As a wise man once said, “What you call progress, I call the rape of the natural world.”

    Then he was eaten by a tyrannosaur.

  167. All Australians are not treated as equal under other laws, as noted on the Cat earlier.

    Cats worshiped as gods by the ancient Egyptians.
    Cats should not be treated equally.

  168. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I was talking to a soft-hearted girlfriend this morning who says she heard a doctor on the radio say that life-long gay partners were excluded from being ‘next of kin’ and so she is going to vote ‘yes’ to SSM to put a stop to this.

    My understanding is that a Civil Union provides a ‘next of kin’ status, along with inheritance rights and ability to stand power of attorney, become next of kin etc. Am I wrong here? Also, even if I am, surely hospitals can allocate these rights to long-term gay partnerships? Why does it take SSM anyway to do this?

    Can some legal eagle clarify this so I can bring my friend back into line with her husband’s ‘no’ vote?
    And how many others are being taken in by this bleating sort of argument for SSM?

  169. A Lurker

    I just thought I’d share the following meme going around on Facebook…

    “We trusted them on multiculturalism and we got Islamic terrorism.
    We trusted them on climate change and we got blackouts.
    We trusted them on law and order and we got the Apex gang.
    We trusted them with our kids and we got safe schools and transgenderism.
    Why would we now trust them on marriage???
    Vote NO”

  170. Tim Neilson

    Professor Haberle said when Tasmanian Aboriginal people left the island the fires became more intense.

    If they were so good at managing the environment, why did they leave the island?

  171. Tim Neilson

    Greens demand Australia take 20,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees from Myanmar ‘immediately’ – as 300,000 flee violence in their homeland

    Step one is to give all these 300,000 unfortunates as many rights of Australian residence as possible. They should all be allowed to vote in the SS”M” poll.

  172. notafan

    My understanding is that a Civil Union provides a ‘next of kin’ status, along with inheritance rights and ability to stand power of attorney

    Living together for six months is sufficient for rights to be established which is why young gay men make sure they don’t. I’m sick of lies about the status of gay relationships being promulated as reasons for ssmarriage.

    No different to de facto male and female, the only difference is very short term relationships and hands up who thinks gays moving in together really have long term relationships in mind, because they could certainly set up documentation to protect each other from day one of co-habiting if that was really a concern.

  173. stackja

    Bruce – Zed is for No SSM.

  174. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    These kids are simply guinea pigs in totally unethical medical experiments. Given the strict protocols surrounding conventional medical trials, that these things are allowed is extraordinary. Where are the ethicists, the watchdogs for testing new drugs and other therapies, the advocates for “the children?”
    Crickets.
    It’s a scandal, and the political class doesn’t give a rat’s either.

    Absolutely. I hope these mistreated children grow up to get legal and sue, and sue hard.

  175. Electricity prices are the ACME anvil silently descending upon Wile E. Trumble.

  176. gbees

    Browsing Australia’s Constitution today I note Chapter IV, Clause 99, Commonwealth not to give preference, states “The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade, commerce, or revenue, give preference to one State or any part thereof over another State or any part thereof.”
    I’m no lawyer but I think if I was the Premier of a State which collects a very large amount of GST which is then distributed to basket case states like e.g. South Australia and Tasmania, I’d be investigating whether or not the GST sharing arrangements are unconstitutional. Maybe if the basket case states had to pay for their mistakes (think Jay Weatherill & renewables disaster) proper decisions would be made which benefit a state instead of bankrupting it. Just a thought …

  177. P

    I have no idea of the legality of what Magda Szubanski said recently on the Project, but I quote what I heard her say:

    “It’s not just about matters of equality … I feel teary again,” Szubanski told hosts Carrie Bickmore and Waleed Aly.
    “It’s about illness and death. Here I go again but boy. A friend of mine … her partner, long term partner, had cancer.
    “She wanted to be in the room with her when she was having a painful treatment and the doctor said ‘next of kin only — parents, siblings, no spouses’.
    “She wasn’t allowed in and she had to stand outside and listen to the screams of the woman she loved, unable to even comfort her. Now, in whose universe is that fair? What God thinks that’s right?”

    Watch the video

  178. Sparkx

    Lizzie, Partner and I have each other listed as next of kin on all medical documents. Hospitals and Drs have no problem with it. Current laws mean each of us inherit all in the event of the death of the other. SSM will change none of what is already in place.

  179. Boambee John

    gbees at 1536

    The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade, commerce, or revenue, give preference to one State or any part thereof over another State or any part thereof.”

    If revenue is taken literally (not a given with judicial activists) I think there is a strong case.

  180. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for the quick reply, Notafan. It is exactly as I thought. In which case this poor girl was being completely deluded by ‘a medical doctor’ who was ‘on the radio telling of such heartbreaking cases when one partner was dying and the other wasn’t let in to see him’.

    Good job my friend’s husband has more sense and that her forte is jazz ballet. I will say to her I have checked up on this as I said I would and that, as I thought, it is yet another piece of ‘fake news’. Another friend and I were suggesting as much to her at coffee this morning after class. It is sad how much the goodwill of kindly but uninformed people is being traded upon by the SSM juggernaut. This naïve girl also said it was interesting that there wasn’t much advertising for the ‘no’ case, which she thought meant there was not much case for it. Until we pointed out that the whole media and political and cultural system was funded to make the ‘yes’ case, she simply thought equal money was available to both sides.

  181. Boambee John

    Sparkx at 1543

    SSM will change none of what is already in place.

    Activists lying? I am so shocked!

  182. Andrew

    As an 11-year-old growing up in suburban Melbourne, Colin Martin held promise as an ice hockey player — a nod to his birthplace in Canada. “He’s looking down the barrel of the gun in being sent to his homeland of Canada, where he has no support at all,” his father Neil Martin said. Colin has an intellectual disability. Since his teens he has been in trouble with the law, mostly minor offences like car theft and graffiti.

    It does seem remarkably cruel to deport him to a perfectly safe country where he would have the full rights of a citizen to their massive welfare and public medical system, where they speak English, have a high per capita GDP, and appear in every way a model “progressive” country just because he’s a citizen of that country, identifies with the culture (playing their national sport instead of footy), and a serial felon.

    He’s clearly got an A-grade support network here, as evidenced by the guidance they’ve given him over the years.

  183. cynical1

    A mate of mine from 7RAR is being considered for a VC nearly 50 years after the event. On Tuesday, the Defence Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal sitting in Canberra will be asked to award him Australia’s highest honour, the Victoria Cross.
    See more here
    The fact that there were no VCs awarded to the RAR after years of fighting from Long Tan thru Coral thru hundreds of smaller battles was always a bone of contention amongst us vets.

    I’ll bet it was.

    Especially with an arsewipe like Morrison flouncing around with a self inflated chest full of importance.

    And the only front line he ever saw was the “High heels” campaign of 2015.

  184. cuckoo

    Terrible story about the young dad who drowned trying to rescue kids caught in a rip at Wollongong. Thank God the kids were all rescued. But I’d bet good money they were either asian, Indian or African.

  185. Sparkx

    P, Magda’s memory is defective or she is just making it up.

    next of kin only — parents, siblings, no spouses’.

    . I have never heard of such a rule and would suggest there isn’t one. My partner, a nurse, reckons it’s nonsense.

  186. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Owww. I am aching. Haven’t danced rigorously for a while.
    OK, let’s take it one more time, girls, from the top, one, two, three.
    Sadist. Owwww.

  187. notafan

    THE mother of the four children that Shaun Oliver lost his life saving in dangerous surf says she doesn’t know how to express her gratitude to the heroic dad.

    “He’s a father and a husband too. He lost his life. I don’t know what we can say to his family,” an emotional Islam Hammed said at her Wollongong home today.


    not quite

  188. Senile Old Guy

    Lizzie, Partner and I have each other listed as next of kin on all medical documents. Hospitals and Drs have no problem with it. Current laws mean each of us inherit all in the event of the death of the other. SSM will change none of what is already in place.

    The NT has an “Advance Personal Plan” which quite clearly lets people state their preferences on such things.

    An Advance Personal Plan is a legal document that will set out your future health, financial and life choices should you be unable to make decisions for yourself. This can be due to age, illness or accident. It is also known as a living will and will only take effect when you lose decision-making capacity while you are still alive. It does not replace your will.

    If you make future decisions about your health, medical professionals are legally bound to follow your instructions on treatment.

    I would imagine similar provisions in other states. Magda is misinformed.

    But then, The Project is not a show I would watch to be reliably informed about…well, anything (except the latest left wing lunacy).

  189. notafan

    “The police said no flags no swim but we didn’t know that rule. There was nobody here telling us,” she said.

    and of course it was Someone Else’s fault their children were swimming in unsafe conditions in the first place.

  190. Baldrick

    More comedy, ABC style:

    Benjamin Law ✔ mrbenjaminlaw
    Look I’m several wines in but just wanna say if you attack my friend @yassmin_a I will literally come and projectile diarrhoea on your kid.

  191. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Thanks for telling me that, Sparx.
    Good luck to you both. You’ve taken sensible measures.
    I hope you have no occasion to make recourse to such legalities any time soon.

  192. P

    ‘next of kin only — parents, siblings, no spouses’.
    . I have never heard of such a rule and would suggest there isn’t one. My partner, a nurse, reckons it’s nonsense.

    I picked it up straight away. My point is that this is what was aired on Ch 10, and obviously believed by many I would think.

  193. Indolent

    “I thought I was going to win,” she said.

    With all the cheating going on, she had reason to be confident. What worried me most on the night was that Trump would win but it would be stolen somehow. He had to win hugely for it to be recognised, which is what happened. It is just coming to light that out of state voters probably won the state of New Hampshire for Clinton and that’s probably just one of many examples. Obama even encouraged illegals to vote for her.

    The election wasn’t called until after midnight while they scrambled around trying to find a way to steal it.

  194. val majkus

    from Des Moore’s article in Quadrant Online “Turnbull’s head for Christmas’

    ….True, there are no signs, not yet, of anyone putting up a hand for his job. But a suicidal process surely can’t be maintained for long and a replacement, whoever that might be, must be given time to present objectives and policies before the election. This requires he be replaced before Christmas, perhaps straight after Parliament finishes its present term on December 7.

    If none of the possible replacements emerge from within the ranks, the only realistic approach would be to ask Abbott to have a second try. While some will say his record as PM does not warrant a reprise, others disagree. Commentator Andrew Bolt, for instance, is adamant that Abbott is Liberals’ only hope. Recent articles by Abbott in The Australian also suggest he has developed sensible policy objectives in case he gets the call. In his September 7 article, “Heaven help Australia if Shorten gets the Keys”, Abbott makes no mention of Turnbull when warning “if the polls are right, Shorten’s going to be prime minister soon”. Abbott draws attention to policy areas which have arguably either been neglected by Turnbull or not addressed at all by him.

    It is not possible here to examine major policy areas which need strengthening. But a vital one that cries out for attention is energy and the alarming increase in electricity prices, mainly as a result of the emissions-reductions policies adopted by both federal and state governments, and the associated targets for inefficient and unreliable renewable. The handling — mis-handling, actually — of all this by Turnbull illustrates his inability to recognise the fundamentals and to tailor Australia’s policies to maximise our national interests.

    Reflecting his ad hoc approach to policy making, Turnbull has now recognised the adverse polling effect of the increases in electricity prices and has decided to adopt a policy of keeping coal-fired generators running until 2027. How ironic that, despite his long-standing support for ceasing to use coal-fired electricity and reducing emissions of CO2, Turnbull has reversed engines, at least temporarily. That back-pedalling displays a lack of confidence in himself and his advisers.

    Instead of commissioning a report on achievable emission-reduction targets from Alan Finkel, Turnbull should have commissioned a review of climate policy and the extent to which coal-fired generators needed realistically to be reduced over the next 25 years, if at all. Such a review, now urgently needed, would not only advise on the minimisation of adverse effects domestically but would also advise on the likely extent to which other countries will be reducing their emissions. It would include experts who are known sceptics as well as those who are not….

  195. Senile Old Guy

    “no spouses”

    That’s utter BS. And, by definition, a spouse is a relative; in fact, your closest relative. Their views take precedence over your parents (unless altered by some legal document).

    * SOG is no lawyer but, due to circumstances (good and bad), has some (limited) knowledge in this area.

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Benjamin Law ✔ mrbenjaminlaw
    Look I’m several wines in but just wanna say if you attack my friend @yassmin_a I will literally come and projectile diarrhoea on your kid.

    The Left – ever the cultured voice of reason..

  197. test pattern

    ‘Greens demand Australia take 20,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees from Myanmar ‘immediately’ ‘

    First comes R2P international intervention. Get as many as possible back home, help Bangladesh to care for the rest and yes we should take some.

    “There is no Rohingya left in Tulatoli”.

    .. “I saw my son shot dead with my own eyes and the dead bodies of two of my daughters. Five other daughters of mine remain missing.”

    ..He is one of a dozen or so Rohingya villagers I have met from Min Gyi or Tulatoli (as referred to by Rohingya) and the neighbouring village of Onsiprang. They have been describing what could prove to be one of the worst large-scale massacres in the continuing military operation against Rohingya villages immediately east of Bangladesh’s border. Eyewitnesses have claimed that over a period of three days beginning Wednesday 30th August, virtually all the villagers of Min Gyi were put to death…

    “After the military had surrounded the village and cut off all exit points, the Rakhine chairman of the village assured the villagers that the military would not harm them but that their homes would be torched. He told the villagers to assemble in one place where they would be safe.”

    Nasir described how the destruction began in the morning with homes being torched. However soon the assurances that no physical harm would come to the villagers proved to be empty. All the eyewitnesses described the same killing methods – long swords, burning alive in torched homes, rifle shots, or “brush fire” by auto and semiautomatic weapons as well as a weapon the villagers called “launcher”…. “bodies were thrown into large pits near the river, covered in straw, doused in petrol and torched.”

    …Zahid described in disturbing detail how many of the women villagers lost their lives. It is a gruesome scenario which suggests the military were vacillating about how exactly to kill the women. “Many of the women were near the river. After the military had torched the homes, they told the women to get out of the river and sit down on the bank. Then they changed their minds and ordered them to stand up. Then they again ordered them to sit down. Finally they said stand up and form a line. They then shouted at the women to run. As they ran, they brush fired them. After the shooting, around 30 women survived. They told these women to wait in the water again. And from this group of 30, they would take 5 women at a time into huts to rape them. After raping them, they were robbed off their jewellery, and then beaten to death and the huts set on fire.” … “With my own eyes, I saw the dead bodies of not less than 300 small kids and about 200 women of my age”.
    … As she made her escape, she saw children hiding in the paddy fields. She said “The military caught these children, put them flat on the floor and drove long knives into their chests and their stomachs. The lifeless bodies were thrown in the river.” ‘

    http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/09/09/no-rohingya-left-tulatoli/

  198. test pattern

    ‘Greens demand Australia take 20,000 Rohingya Muslim refugees from Myanmar ‘immediately’ ‘

    First comes R2P international intervention. Get as many as possible back home, help Bangladesh to care for the rest and yes we should take some.

    http://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2017/09/09/no-rohingya-left-tulatoli/

  199. Senile Old Guy

    ‘next of kin only — parents, siblings, no spouses’.
    I have never heard of such a rule and would suggest there isn’t one. My partner, a nurse, reckons it’s nonsense.

    I picked it up straight away. My point is that this is what was aired on Ch 10, and obviously believed by many I would think.

    Anyone who gets their information from the MSM is asking for trouble. I bet some on the panel knew it was garbage but did not want to embarrass Magda by pointing out she was utterly clueless (again).

  200. test pattern

    Rangers lead way in fight against desert buffel grass

    ‘Nine Aboriginal rangers are spearheading efforts to stop an invasive introduced grass spreading through the Great Victoria Desert. The women are part of the Spinifex Land Management team, which works to eradicate buffel grass near Tjuntjuntjara and throughout Spinifex Country.’

    https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/rangers-lead-way-in-fight-against-desert-buffel-grass-ng-b88585789z

  201. Senile Old Guy

    If none of the possible replacements emerge from within the ranks, the only realistic approach would be to ask Abbott to have a second try.

    If this is “realistic” then I’m a pink spotted unicorn. It is completely unrealistic. And to expect Abbott to undo the damage done by Turnbull and the other left-liberals is asking for a miracle beyond anyone’s doing.

    Nope. The liberals have been ruined and are just another left wing party.

  202. Snoopy

    My point is that this is what was aired on Ch 10, and obviously believed by many I would think.

    Magda, Carrie and Squalid knew the truth. But no matter. The narrative must be reinforced.

  203. P

    Anyone who gets their information from the MSM is asking for trouble. I bet some on the panel knew it was garbage but did not want to embarrass Magda by pointing out she was utterly clueless (again).

    I bet they all knew it was garbage.

    As an old nurse, when I heard it I was appalled. I still believe nursing is a noble profession.
    Who would deny someone in the said circumstances when all that was needed was a nod?

  204. vicki

    Every argument accepted for SSM is an argument for polymarriage and consanguinous marriages

    Philippa, I tried to engage a Yes case supporter on Twitter about the very same thing but all she did was reiterate, not to worry, as no one is asking for this, even after I produced two articles demonstrating this was not the case at all.

    Well guys – I have to report that after I raised the question of SSM voting intention with my daughter & son-in-law last night I was surprised to find that these otherwise conservative voters were also completely relaxed with any prospect of adverse consequences of any changes to the Marriage Act.

    Not only that – but my husband and I were accused of being “behind the times” and lacking in compassion. Attempts to introduce evidence from overseas and longitudinal studies on same sex families produced escalating tension. Finally, we were told to “F..off”!

    We are still suffering from shock and are cursing ourselves for still fondly believing that critical thinking is alive and well amongst the X Generation!

  205. Arky… you truly get me. Come to my arms.

  206. jupes

    A mate of mine from 7RAR is being considered for a VC nearly 50 years after the event. On Tuesday, the Defence Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal sitting in Canberra will be asked to award him Australia’s highest honour, the Victoria Cross.

    With all due respect to your mate Kev, I hope they don’t.

    The Defence Honours and Awards Appeals Tribunal would have to expand to the size of a government department if they did. Every one will want one. No sailor has been awarded a VC, so they will be knocking on the door. And what about Aborigines? Surely an indigenous servicemen deserved one. And let’s not forget service women. How could we discriminate against them? Then they would have to consider the thousands of families whose great Uncle Bill should have been awarded a VC but his CO had it in for him …

    Undoubtedly there are hundreds of historical cases where a service member missed out on the VC or other award that they deserved. However it is best to let it go or we will end up devaluing the award. Also note that they knocked back Simpson (of Gallipoli fame) recently.

  207. Senile Old Guy

    The UN is useless.

    The United Nations has described Australia’s lack of progress on Closing the Gap as “woefully inadequate”, saying the over-incarceration of Indigenous people is a major human rights concern.

    Okay…

    Ms Tauli-Corpuz said it was unacceptable that despite two decades of economic growth, Australia had not been able to improve the social disadvantage of its Indigenous population.

    …and despite funding going to indigenous at twice the rate for the rest.

    She said the United Nations supported the call for a referendum to establish a First Nations advisory body in the constitution and urged the Federal Government to establish a treaties and truth-telling commission. “Such measures would carry momentous significance to resetting the relationship with the First Peoples of Australia,” Ms Tauli-Corpuz said.

    Yeah, that will stop them beating each other up.

    The Special Rapporteur’s report also recommended the Federal Government adopt new targets to reduce violence against women and rates of incarceration and child removal.

    Yes, “new targets”. We adopt “new targets” and everything is fixed.

    Ms Tauli-Corpuz said the detention of young Indigenous children was “the most distressing aspect of her visit” to Australia.

    This is where teenagers get redefined to be children.

  208. Andrew

    Is this where we go to discuss sexual violence against public figures?

  209. Senile Old Guy

    It’s time not just to focus on who will win the marriage war, but how we are going to live with the peace. For good or ill, the legislation of same-sex marriage in Australia became inevitable once Labor made it party policy. Irrespective of what happens with the postal plebiscite, Labor will achieve government at some stage. There will be no peace until same-sex marriage is enacted in a way that can’t be undone.

    Meaning, regardless of what most Australians think, we’ll get SSM anyway.

  210. Just Interested

    For those who thought an (advisory) resolution of the National Party national conference rejecting a clean energy target was worth a hill of beans:

    Malcolm Turnbull has talked down a bid by the Nationals for the government to reject a clean energy target.

    The Nationals at their federal conference on Sunday voted against setting the target, which was recommended by Chief Scientist Alan Finkel as a way of encouraging long-term investment in the power industry while cutting emissions.

    The prime minister told parliament on Monday, under questioning from Labor, the government’s policies were determined by the cabinet and the joint Liberal-National party room.

    “We certainly respect decisions and recommendations and resolutions from our various party conferences,” Mr Turnbull said.

    “But policy is determined by the members of parliament here. That has always been the case.”

    And people wonder why no-one wastes their valuable time participating in political parties.

  211. Andrew

    …urged the Federal Government to establish a treaties and truth-telling commission

    Why not a whole Ministry of Truth? It could even publish its worth in a newspaper named “The Truth” just like Russia did.

  212. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    She said the United Nations supported the call for a referendum to establish a First Nations advisory body in the constitution and urged the Federal Government to establish a treaties and truth-telling commission. “Such measures would carry momentous significance to resetting the relationship with the First Peoples of Australia,” Ms Tauli-Corpuz said.

    Well said. The United Nations can wear the massive bill for compensation/reparations.

  213. test pattern

    ‘As an old nurse’

    u may be interested in

    ‘Written by Charles Darwin University Nursing Museum curator Janie Mason and Senior Lecturer in Business Dr Susan Bandias, “Life in Radio Land – Stories from the bush before the mobile phone” ‘

    http://www.katherinetimes.com.au/story/4900815/back-when-wireless-was-a-revolution/?cs=1459

  214. cuckoo

    Good old Magda Szubanski. When she was on Who do you think you are? they dug up some Scottish ancestor who’d been banged up by the cops. Magda launched into some rote speech about good people being forced by a cruel and unjust capitalist system to break the law, Jean Valjean, loaf of bread, blahblahblah. The host then strategically unveiled that same ancestor’s long list of priors. Magda went oddly quiet after that.

  215. Sparkx

    m0nty
    #2494695, posted on September 11, 2017 at 4:12 pm
    Arky… you truly get me. Come to my arms.
    You’ve only got yourself to blame Arky, you lucky devil.

  216. Maurice Miner

    vicki, my wife and two daughters made it quite clear to me that they were going to “vote” YES in the plebiscite.

    I was originally going to vote YES, simply because why should these faggots live a happy and gay life not being married – I mean, let the bastards get married/divorced/property settlements/family court custody battles etc.

    Why SHOULD the faggots be happy?

    But now, I’m going to “vote” NO. Just to piss off the Leftards. And my family.

  217. Sparkx

    Magda went oddly quiet after that.

    They must have given her a bag of donuts as well as the long list of priors.

  218. entropy

    test pattern
    #2494690, posted on September 11, 2017 at 4:07 pm
    Rangers lead way in fight against desert buffel grass

    ‘Nine Aboriginal rangers are spearheading efforts to stop an invasive introduced grass spreading through the Great Victoria Desert. The women are part of the Spinifex Land Management team, which works to eradicate buffel grass near Tjuntjuntjara and throughout Spinifex Country.’

    https://thewest.com.au/news/kalgoorlie-miner/rangers-lead-way-in-fight-against-desert-buffel-grass-ng-b88585789z

    Buffel grass is superior to native grasses. Cattle would find anything,including my felt hat, better eating than spinifex.

  219. test pattern

    ‘The United Nations can wear the massive bill for compensation/reparations.’

    No all Australians will. Good. Then Treaty.

    Wannsee conference auf dem Gascoyne. WA 1892.

    Armed resistance and economic war on the Gascoyne. The white settlers were losing. October 14 1892 meeting of Gascoyne pastoralists at Nookawarra station to discuss a Final Solution to the Native Question. Extermination, slavery, ethnic cleansing. CD Brown began –

    ‘Three years ago he stated the natives would gain the upper hand and give more trouble in the future than they had done in the past and he now stated that if the present state of things was allowed to continue settlers would have to abandon the interior. It would be impossible to retain the services of men who would not legally be free from arrest when protecting property. Many legally signed natives were constantly leaving their flocks causing losses of hundreds of pounds…the farther inland one went the more troubles were to be encountered…he would ask Govt what inland settlers were to do to natives who committed depredations, who would cripple their best horses, kangaroo and emu hunting. If the lash had not been used they would all have been murdered years ago…

    …He had been here five years and with 1,000,000 acres of land and the largest head of cattle in the district had failed to pay working expenses… owing to raids of natives his station was nearly 1000 head short and he had been unable to use one third of his country…until the natives were quietened it was useless…If cattle were sent the natives would kill what they could and drive the others hundreds of miles. Whipping would not meet the difficulty as it had been tried… would either have to remove all natives or shoot the ringleaders…if the police arrested 9 natives at a low estimate there would be 90 left. It was as useless to arrest 50 and leave 50 as it was for a farmer to take 50 dingoes…natives got 25 lashes and were turned adrift in the bush. Was it not time to devise a scheme?’

    For ‘scheme’ read ‘Final Solution.’

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/804319?afterLoad=showCorrections

  220. gbees

    Infidel Tiger 2.0
    #2494536 at 1:14 pm

    What the hell colour is that “journalist”?

    It’s almost as if the journalist painted himself red so as to convince the audience that it’s so warm (due to climate change) that now human skin is turning red.

    Well that’s one explanation anyway. Who is to say I’m not correct? Anything is possible with climate catastophists.

  221. Ubique

    Michelle Obama to be the Dumocrat candidate in 2020?

    Somehow I don’t think Hilary Clinton will be supporting her as a candidate.

  222. Meanwhile Dannograd in springPossible hail in the morning. Snow falling above 600 metres …

  223. Ubique

    But now, I’m going to “vote” NO. Just to piss off the Leftards.

    I’m voting no for lots of good reasons. One of the most important is to repel the left and keep them preoccupied with SSM. They won’t take no for an answer and while they’re continue to push SSM they will be hindered in advancing their agenda of the destruction of Western Civilisation.

  224. test pattern

    ‘Cattle would find anything,including my felt hat, better eating than spinifex.’

    The Spinifex People don’t want cattle. Or ur hat.

    ‘The Pilki claim was determined on 2 December 2014 by Justice McKerracher at Pilki Dam. The Federal Court found that the native title rights and interests of the Pilki native title holders are the right of possession, occupation, use and enjoyment of the Determination Area as against the whole world including the right to access and take for any purpose the resources of the land and waters.’

    http://www.centraldesert.org.au/native-title-item/pilki/

  225. Lysander

    I’m voting no because they’re gonna ask again.

  226. notafan

    they’re gonna ask again.

    and again
    and again
    and again

  227. P

    u may be interested in
    ‘Written by Charles Darwin University Nursing Museum curator Janie Mason and Senior Lecturer in Business Dr Susan Bandias, “Life in Radio Land – Stories from the bush before the mobile phone” ‘
    http://www.katherinetimes.com.au/story/4900815/back-when-wireless-was-a-revolution/?cs=1459

    Thank you test pattern.
    How important history is and especially that passed on from generation to generation.

    My mother was a trained nurse 1932-1936 Wallsend District Mining Hospital, and nursed after that at Walgett District Hospital, and after I was born for the local G.P. in Walgett. My mum died 2003 at 89.

    Much had improved by my time as a nurse but the stories she told me of her times never faded. I guess that’s why I become so irate when I hear of those who oppose vaccinations.

  228. Snoopy

    The Spinifex People don’t want cattle. Or ur hat.

    Gosh! Just what do they want?

  229. John Constantine

    Cutting top speed limits on Victoria’s crap rural roads to seventy kmh is a request from social engineers at vicpol.

    Police made law.

    Their Nazgul government. of yarragrad love the idea of cutting road spending and lifting fine revenue.

    Taking fifty percent longer for the same trip, with boredom and fatigue setting in, this is Stalinism at its finest.

    Safe roads.

  230. Lysander

    Omg stimps; SRR was right all the time!

  231. Old news Stimpy, I linked it yesterday.

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