Monday Forum: September 11, 2017

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  1. Philippa Martyr

    I will bet they had to think long and hard (fnarr fnarr gurgle blrr) deciding whether they should defend a member of their own party who was conservative against an intolerant foul-mouthed little shit lefty that despises their base and everything they believe in.

    But why bring Malcolm Turnbull into this …

  2. OldOzzie

    PARNELL MCGUINNESS: THE POLITICS OF POWER PRICES IS LEAVING US OUT IN THE COLD

    There’s never been a better time to be Andy Vesey. The AGL chief’s Australian endeavours are charmed and now the government is courting him. Power prices are up and AGL is in the perfect position to keep them that way, which means great profits for the power company and bonuses for its CEO.

    A complex energy landscape means the consumer has little understanding of the causes of price hikes.

    The more competing “facts” are presented, the more the issue becomes clouded. Even a consumer with above-average common sense isn’t well-equipped to cut through the ideological spin hidden within technical jargon that interest groups pump into the market.

    In this environment, pretty much any narrative can prevail.

    The opposition likes to say that we’re in this mess because there’s a lack of investment certainty. According to this Grand Theory of Everything, if we only had a carbon price, power prices would go down.

    That’s sort of like the banks arguing that the bank levy will make bank fees go down. Logic so tortured the UN should intervene.

    People making this argument add that there’d be more investment in power generation if only we had a carbon price.

    You can guess what companies responding to that signal would be investing in: renewables. More investment in less power. Renewable advocates like to argue that this will “future-proof” their investments. Trouble is, the immature technologies don’t now-proof consumers. Because our power problems are immediate and blackouts are imminent.

    This doesn’t faze AGL though. It has been closing down coal-fired power stations while preening itself on its social responsibility. There’s just no downside.

    The company gets congratulated, while the taxpayer foots the bill for its renewable energy investments. And because modern life needs power like organisms need air, even when power companies produce less and prices go up, power consumers find it hard to cut their use. So prices go up, profits go up and power companies laugh all the way to the bank.

    This is the economics of rent-seeking. It starts with some unremarkable announceables to grab a feel-good headline or two. Something about securing a clean energy future, or investing in innovation and jobs. Before you know it, there’s a serious distortion in the market. Investment decisions start to follow the subsidy dollars. Chasing government subsidies can make a great business model.

    Just ask Tesla’s Elon Musk. Last month, Canadian environmentalist Lawrence Solomon wrote that: “Musk’s genius is primarily in the subsidy-seeking realm”.

    US governments, Solomon points out, have given his companies $US5 billion through direct grants, tax breaks, cut-rate loans, tax credits and rebates. South Australia is keen to hop on board by subsidising the world’s largest Tesla power wall.

    Meanwhile, Standards Australia is yet to be convinced that even small battery storage units are safe to have in the home. Pretty sweet for the power companies so far.

    But wait, there’s more. Let’s say you’ve got an asset that’s no longer fashionable, but totally essential. The hi-top sneakers of energy. Like a coal-fired power plant. A canny CEO might decide it’s a good time to sell it for top dollar. Because, though its book value is zero, its real value is a guarantee of service in summer. And because the government is terrified of the political and economic consequences of power blackouts, you’ve got the nation’s most influential sales team trying to secure you a good price. Or pay it themselves, at a pinch. Which is crackers, but the party of business daren’t let the lights go out. If the economy took a hit like that, the government’s goose would be cooked. Presumably over a wood fire, but we can’t rule out coals.

    Crucial though the Liddell power station may be to the economic health of NSW over the next five years, it’s a drop in the ocean of our national energy emergency.

    Because the issue isn’t really federal at all. Each state has its signature disaster. Unpicking this knot will require a state by state solution where each state is held to account.

    Former NSW premier Barrie Unsworth, an electrician by trade, is not the only former ALP leader to advocate for an emissions-free nuclear solution. But coal seam gas would work too, if campaigners hadn’t made accessing it all too hard. CSG is very low in emissions, so either solution would see us on the way to more ambitious climate targets.

    Exploration has also been part of the issue in Victoria and the NT. Victoria is the more culpable environmentally, because it blocks cleaner coal technologies while merrily burning up the dirtiest power in Australia. Running an electric car in the grey state produces more emissions than a petrol-powered vehicle because the state government won’t consider new effective and low-emissions energy.

    In Queensland the issue is a government-owned monopoly which pushes up energy prices. And we’ve all heard about South Australia, a state so forward-looking it orchestrated a statewide blackout, hoping perhaps for the traditional population boost nine months later.

    All this adds up to a rich vein of potential subsidies. You can bet the power companies won’t have any qualms about mining your pockets for those resources.

  3. stackja

    Philippa Martyr
    #2495496, posted on September 12, 2017 at 10:51 am
    Thank you, stackja, but as a practising Kartholik with decades of experience with the type of local-level bullshitting and dissent that is the parallel magisterium, I could give you the names of three priests here who I reckon would marry a gay couple in church tomorrow, without even being threatened with legal action.

    God help these ‘priests’.

  4. Snoopy

    A 100% Solar-Powered Future Is Impossible—Requires 7.2 Times More Silver Than Currently Exists

    And then there’s the batteries.

  5. thefrolickingmole

    Myrddin Seren

    I read the piece on this at the gruinaid.

    Both are “cheaper” only by comparing subsidies per MWH.
    So “cheap” is still a massive premium on what a non corrupted market would be.

  6. Leo G

    “I could give you the names of three priests here who I reckon would marry a gay couple in church tomorrow, …”

    A ménage à trois cinq?

  7. Mother Lode

    entice Victoriastanians to “like” his page “if you support us paying $1.2billion of taxpayers’ money not to build a road”

    It is all a matter of spin.

    Andrews will be able to talk about how an unbuilt road has no maintenance costs, no disruptions, and that it is so well unmade that there are absolutely no accidents.

    In fact, this could be the best $1.2 billion ever spent!

  8. OldOzzie

    Bloomberg – Feinstein’s Anti-Catholic Questions Are an Outrage

    Democrats are usually unforgiving of religious attacks, such as the one the senator leveled on a judicial nominee last week.

  9. OldOzzie

    Swedish Police Fail to ‘Cope’ With Massive Amount of Sexual Assaults Stemming from Muslim Migrant Influx

    Known rapist who brutally attacked 12-year-old girl still not apprehended 2 months later

    A journalist investigating the rape of a 12-year-old girl in Sweden was told that police have not even interviewed the prime suspect two months later because authorities “cannot cope” with the sheer volume of cases since Sweden opened its borders to mass immigration two years ago.

    Back in July, the 12-year-old girl was dragged into a restroom by an older man in the center of Stenungsund before being beaten, raped and threatened with death.

    Knowing the identity of the culprit, the girl’s mother immediately reported him to police, but authorities have yet to even interrogate the suspect two months later despite knowing his name and address.

    According to journalist Joakim Lamotte, the girl is still being confronted and taunted by the rapist on the streets of Stenungsund.

  10. Myrddin Seren

    NRL hit by allegations of a sordid culture of group sex

    In which we learn:

    Sydney Penthouse model and stripper Belinda Medlyn told The Daily Telegraph she consented to group sex with the former Gold Coast, Wests Tigers and New Zealand Warriors star and his teammates.

    The pair have a 15-month-old son Hendrix, who was conceived in 2015 while one of Thompson’s teammates watched on. Medlyn claims she did not use a condom when Hendrix was conceived at the insistence of the New Zealand Test international representative.

    Good-on-ya-Mum – Tip Top’s the one !!

    Let us all pray that the next Carrington Event arrives and wipes out the internet before young ‘Hendrix’ (?) and his future classmates are old enough to websurf and find out he is only here because Mum was the team bike. and only then because she wasn’t using contraceptives – nor was anyone else ( blood tests all round ).

    Naturally, this is all the fault of the Biffo Players and that is why she is yelling her sad story to any scandal sheet that will listen – so her kid can grow up with the realisation that Mum is a slapper, hanging around his neck forever.

    In a just-and-fair society, parents that hang their personal shame out for everyone to see and drag their kids in to it should be put in stocks and pelted with rancid food.

    Instead, we are going to wind up paying for 24/7 taxpayer funded chaperones for meathead biffo players. Because justice.

  11. Roger

    I could give you the names of three priests here who I reckon would marry a gay couple in church tomorrow, without even being threatened with legal action.

    One would like to think legal action would be the least of their worries once their bishop found out…such an action would be grounds for removing their priestly faculties, would it not?

  12. thefrolickingmole

    Kill it
    Skin it
    Wear the skin while dancing around and demanding respect

    Is there nothing the Qwerty people will leave alone?

    NBL owner Larry Kestelman wants league to speak up on social matters like same-sex marriage, diversity

    When asked if there was a lack of leadership in sport to engage in social justice issues, Kestelman is diplomatic, admitting the fact he owns the NBL gives him rare liberty.

    “I do believe some sports have spoken about certain matters, but because a lot of them are not an owned entity, and they are commission(s) and federation(s) and there are a lot of politics involved,” he said.

    “For me, there are no politics. For me, we are a free country and we are a private enterprise and we can do as we please and we will make comment on things that we believe in.

    NBL owner Larry Kestelman on the phone
    PHOTO: NBL owner Larry Kestelman wants to start using his voice to actually say something. (ABC News: Mary Gearin)
    “We are not really controlled by anyone, so we can make a comment on all sorts of matters without being gagged or actually controlled.”

    Kestelman speaks carefully — a man who knows how business works — and he’s keen to not give the impression that he’ll be using the NBL as a mouthpiece for his personal passions.

    Having said that, it is impossible to separate the quiet zeal that underlines his defence of multiculturalism from his background as a immigrant from Soviet-era Ukraine.

  13. Known rapist who brutally attacked 12-year-old girl still not apprehended 2 months later

    CCW – you know it makes sense

  14. Roger

    Christine Figueres onLateline last night was given the usual soft interview by Sales. Not once was she confronted for her comments that the world was now operating on renewables/ low emission energy .

    That interview was a disgrace to journalism. Figueres is either massively uninformed or lying through her teeth yet not once was she challenged with facts.

    Figueres is here at the behest of the Sydney City Council, btw.

  15. old bloke

    cohenite
    #2495367, posted on September 12, 2017 at 8:36 am

    Val, Vesey is a piece of work; the more you dig you realise how he and others are wrecking Australia:

    You are shooting at the wrong target. Vessey is just looking after AGL’s shareholders and maximising profit opportunities made available due to stupid anti-Australia energy laws.

    That’s where you should be focussed.

  16. Boambee John

    Philippa at 1051

    Kartholik

    Reminds me of the Irish joke from the 1970s troubles.

    Pedestrian walking on the border between Kartholik and Proddestant areas of Londonderry, suddenly arm around throat, pistol against head, and question “Kartholik or Proddestant?”

    Thinks quickly, the wrong answer could be fatal. “I’m a Joo.”

    Silence while this option is processed. “Sure, but are you a Kartholik Joo or a Proddestant Joo?”

  17. stackja

    Christiana Figueres is an internationally recognized leader credited with forging a new brand of collaborative diplomacy.

    1930s-1940s collaborative diplomacy gave us Vichy.

  18. Snoopy

    Figueres is either massively uninformed or lying through her teeth yet not once was she challenged with facts.

    Figueres is here at the behest of the Sydney City Council, btw.

    Aha! She’s lying through he teeth.

  19. Stimpson J. Cat

    “Tim and his partner Ryan enjoy walking their pugs Ella and Louis throughout the many beautiful and historic streets of our community.”

    What the hell is going on here?
    Am I psychotic again?
    Is this Safe Schools?
    This is literally f$cking gay.
    Does the book come with rainbow pencils?
    15000 copies paid for by the taxpayer?
    This is rampant degeneracy on a scale I have never seen.
    Also racism.
    Why only pugs instead of upstanding young beagles like Snoopy?
    Outrageous.

  20. cohenite

    Snoopy

    #2495503, posted on September 12, 2017 at 10:56 am

    A 100% Solar-Powered Future Is Impossible—Requires 7.2 Times More Silver Than Currently Exists

    Good find; I had forgotten that little point.

  21. Stimpson J. Cat

    NRL hit by allegations of a sordid culture of group sex

    Hands up who is surprised.

  22. Zyconoclast

    Colour us surprised!

    Victorian Liberal MP Tim Wilson has told critics to take a “reality check” over a taxpayer-funded colouring-in book featuring an image of him and partner Ryan walking their pugs that will be distributed to primary school children in his electorate of Goldstein.

    Mr Wilson, who is gay, used his parliamentary communications budget to print 10,000 colouring-in books for primary school children and a further 5000 copies to help improve “mindfulness” for elderly Australians in aged-care facilities.
    The books, which include ­depictions of places within his electorate in Melbourne’s southeast and across Australia, will be dropped off at schools before the final school term next month.

    Looks like Tim doesn’t want to miss out on the Safe Schools action.

    Can fans of Tim Wilson (including Tony Abbott) remind me of the great work that Tim has done as free speech commissioner and now in parliament?
    …crickets… thought so.

  23. cohenite

    old bloke

    #2495520, posted on September 12, 2017 at 11:34 am

    cohenite
    #2495367, posted on September 12, 2017 at 8:36 am

    Val, Vesey is a piece of work; the more you dig you realise how he and others are wrecking Australia:

    You are shooting at the wrong target. Vessey is just looking after AGL’s shareholders and maximising profit opportunities made available due to stupid anti-Australia energy laws.

    That’s where you should be focussed.

    Both are legitimate targets:

    http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2017/09/australias-electricity-is-controlled-by.html

  24. Boambee John

    From the previous page, because I know m0nty will wish to respond.

    To be fair to m0nty (yeah, I know, why bother, he isn’t fair to anyone else) the left fascists maintain several groups of thugs, not just antifa.

    There are the pseudo anarchists of the Occupy movement, whose main activities seemed to be defecating in public places and sexually assaulting female members of Occupy. Not sure what m0nty’s attitude to them is.

    Then there are the black racists of BLM, who have definitely murdered a significant number of police officers in the US. Some of those murdered were black, but I suspect that BLM justified that by saying that they were “acting white”. m0nty has previously expressed support for BLM, so we must assume that he is cool with police being murdered.

    Then there are his current besties in antifa, who parade through the streets dressed in black with their faces masked, assaulting those they designate as fasciscts. I am not aware that antifa has yet murdered anyone, but that is not for lack of trying. One member of antifa assaulted someone with a “D” bicycle lock, a heavy steel object, for the “crime” of wishing to attend a lecture by a “non-approved” (ie non left) speaker. m0nty is an enthusiastic supporter of antifa, so we must assume that he is cool with common assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and grievous bodily harm.

    I’m sure there are other groups, including the D’rats former besties of the KKK, that others might wish to discuss for m0nty’s edification.

  25. Snoopy

    Good find; I had forgotten that little point.

    I found it looking for that article that someone linked to recently on the resource limits to the amount of battery storage required to make a renewables world possible. I couldn’t find it. Can anyone help?

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Is this Safe Schools?
    This is literally f$cking gay.

    Yep.
    Kindergartens and schools are already littered with posters of cut-out doll figures in family formations of all types. This is just one more bit of colouring in.

    Haven’t heard of anything in aged-care centres so far, so this is a first, targeting the geriatrics via ‘mindfulness’; well done Tim and ‘friend’ (husband to be?).

    Interesting lexical issue: gay men each speak of ‘my husband’ and gay women each speak of ‘my wife’. Pretty unoriginal of them.

  27. Leo G

    Figueres is either massively uninformed or lying through her teeth yet not once was she challenged with facts.

    Considering that a previous climate change poobah was an aspiring trash romance novelist, perhaps fantasy fiction skill is something prerequisite for the UNFCCC job.

  28. Sparkx

    Lizzie that reminds me of my cousins daughter and her female partner having a slight disagreement over who was the husband and who was the wife. It still makes me chuckle.

  29. mh

    Donald Jr. Slams Michael Moore for Suggesting Flood-prone Mar-a-Lago be Used as Shelter

    “It’s on an island on both the ocean & intercostal and in a mandatory evacuation zone… probably not the best idea, but you know, narrative!” Donald Jr. shot back.

    Nice one, Jr. Michael Moore is a Sack of Shit

  30. John Constantine

    How about michael moore goes on a diet, and we can feed an entire emergency shelter with the leftovers?.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Thinks quickly, the wrong answer could be fatal. “I’m a Joo.”

    Silence while this option is processed. “Sure, but are you a Kartholik Joo or a Proddestant Joo?”

    There’s a variation on that one.

    Thinks quickly, the wrong answer could be fatal. “I’m an atheist.”

    Silence whie this option is processed. “Sure, but are you a Kartholik atheist or a Proddestant athiest?”

  32. Zyconoclast

    Turnbull should compulsorily relieve AGL of the expense of decommissioning the Liddell power station.

    Section 51 (xxxi) allows for compulsory acquisition on just terms.

    Since AGL no longer value the asset, then the Commonwealth can get it cheap and on sell it to another operator.

  33. Boambee John

    Zulu at 1200

    Kartholik atheist

    Should someone ask Pope Frank?

  34. C.L.

    I can’t understand the politics of the Electricity Crisis. I get it when the cowardly major parties won’t do the tough-sell in the national interest – because they’re afraid of the media and the polls. But how does this apply to power stations and coal? There is nothing to be gained politically by banning power stations and coal.

  35. Bruce of Newcastle

    Since AGL no longer value the asset, then the Commonwealth can get it cheap and on sell it to another operator.

    Nah, he should keep it in government hands.
    Then Shorten will be wedged: does he let his bruvvers have free reign or does he privatise it?
    Privatising electricity took out at least three Labor Premiers in NSW.
    And if Shorten shuts it he wears the blackouts.
    Be nice if Liddell took out a Labor PM.

  36. Zyconoclast

    I can’t understand the politics of the Electricity Crisis. I get it when the cowardly major parties won’t do the tough-sell in the national interest – because they’re afraid of the media and the polls. But how does this apply to power stations and coal? There is nothing to be gained politically by banning power stations and coal.

    It is not about incompetence or short term political gain. While superficially, these play a part, they are not the main game.
    It’s part of the plan to destroy the Australian economy and with it (what little is left) of western/Christian civilisation.

  37. Baldrick

    TheirABC is shocked Democrats want to criticise Fatty Trump with loaded questions from the judges-

    ABC News ✔ @abcnews
    ‘It was a terrorist attack’: Miss America contestants take aim at @realDonaldTrump

  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie that reminds me of my cousins daughter and her female partner having a slight disagreement over who was the husband and who was the wife. It still makes me chuckle.

    The thing is, it is all mock and ersatz, isn’t it? Who holds the dildo? Oh, you can be ‘husband’ tonight then.
    With both lesbians and homosexuals, it always seems to be a matter of who takes what role in sexual activities, or who best parallels the nature of male and female in persona, and given two of the same sex there is always going to be latitude in the claims made. This is such imitative stuff.

    As far as I am concerned all this imitative stuff is just playing around and if two people of the same sex want to do it in privacy, that is their business not mine. Many heterosexual couples do this in one way or another, calling it all foreplay or experimentation with each other, for the furtive Victorian ‘hole in the nightgown’ is long gone. Real sex though is consummative, and can only happen between a man and a woman. It makes babies. Consummation is what defines marriage. Men and women each play a different part in it as an expression of their different natures. A belly full of baby, made in human passion, is one of the most beautiful things. We shouldn’t deny this out of existence by denying the sexual nature of procreation and parenting, of motherhood and fatherhood. For that is NOT just ‘playing around’.

  39. C.L.

    Oh God. They’ve made a movie about lesbian Billie Jean King’s victory over geriatric tennis player Bobby Riggs in 1973. King took the opportunity at the Toronto Film Festival – of course – to vilify and attack Margaret Court:

    Don’t tell her about Jesus:

    ” If Jesus Christ was here, I think he’d agree that kindness and generosity and difference of opinion is OK.”

    Mmkay. And what of Margaret Court Arena?

    Formerly the No. 1 player in the world with 39 grand slam titles, King also admits she has mixed feelings about her colleague’s name remaining on Melbourne’s Margaret Court Arena.

    “It’s a shame because I really promoted getting that court named after her and I wanted her and Rod Laver to have the same court,” she recalls…

    “Now I have questions about it, because of how she’s come out against the LBGT community and against marriage equality.”

  40. C.L.

    Nice try, Alan Jones.
    Today he advocated a Yes vote for homosexual “marriage.”
    But he piled on five tons of fig leaves to placate most of his listeners – in the form of ostentatious concern about religious liberty.
    Whatever you do, don’t fall for nominally conservative Yessers trying to re-draw the spectrum with themselves – qua defenders of religious liberty – at the sane centre.
    They are not at the centre. They are extremist lunatics and quislings.

  41. Senile Old Guy

    Cook’s actual instructions (from The Australian):

    You are likewise to observe the Genius, Temper, Disposition and Number of the Natives, if there be any, and endeavour by all proper means to cultivate a Friendship and Alliance with them, making them presents of such Trifles as they may Value, inviting them to Traffick, and Shewing them every kind of Civility and Regard; taking Care however not to suffer yourself to be surprized by them, but to be always upon your guard against any Accidents.

    How very invasive!

  42. Mother Lode

    Whatever you do, don’t fall for nominally conservative Yessers trying to re-draw the spectrum with themselves – qua defenders of religious liberty – at the sane centre.

    What is it called when the eponymous Alan Jones does a ‘Hi Alanism’?

    Hi Alan Alanism?

  43. test pattern

    ‘Vice Adm. Timothy Barret, the Chief of Navy, Royal Australian Navy…’ loves photos

    http://dwdd.com.ph/2017/09/09/courtesy-call-australian-navy-chief-visit-the-philippine-navy/

  44. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Turnbull should compulsorily relieve AGL of the expense of decommissioning the Liddell power station.
    Section 51 (xxxi) allows for compulsory acquisition on just terms.
    Since AGL no longer value the asset, then the Commonwealth can get it cheap and on sell it to another operator.

    Indeed. And sell it by public subscription in small lots to climate skeptics who undertake on purchase to ensure its continuance for the next thirty years, so that Labor in power can neither close it nor claim and control it. By that time we should have several new coal-fired power stations coming on board, due to overwhelming public voting pressures due to the failure of the climate to obey computer models.

  45. thefrolickingmole

    Another I knew.

    Pedestrian walking on the border between Kartholik and Proddestant areas of Londonderry, suddenly arm around throat, pistol against head, and question “Kartholik or Proddestant?”

    Thinks quickly, the wrong answer could be fatal. “I’m a Joo.”

    Silence while this option is processed. “Praise Allah, at last”

  46. C.L.

    What is it called when the eponymous Alan Jones does ‘Hi Alanism’?

    Good question!

  47. Bruce of Newcastle

    It is not about incompetence or short term political gain. While superficially, these play a part, they are not the main game.

    Actually the Turnbull problem is he Believes.
    Shorten probably doesn’t but in a party full of progressives he’s not stupid enough to say that.

    Everything Turnbull has done has been about dragging the Liberal Party to the position he thinks is necessary to Save The World From Carbon Armageddon™.

    That the world doesn’t need to be saved, nor even the human race, is something which he is deaf to.

  48. John64

    Christiana Figueres is an internationally recognized leader credited with forging a new brand of collaborative diplomacy one of the most corrupt and dangerous individuals to ever occupy high office.

    Just needed a slight tweak.

  49. thefrolickingmole

    What is it called when the eponymous Alan Jones does a ‘Hi Alanism’?

    On SSM topics?
    “High Analism“?

  50. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Everything Turnbull has done has been about dragging the Liberal Party to the position he thinks is necessary to Save The World From Carbon Armageddon™.

    Yes. He is a true believer. With the added benefit of carbon credit approval from those who will profit from such credits. Always an eye on the financial chance there too, as in Mr. Lightbulb.

  51. Andrew

    That’s a complete lie.

    It does look very dodgy. Can you explain, Andrew?

    They compare a GBP57 SUBSIDY for wind to the GBP92 ENTIRE AGREED TARIFF for nucular. Nucular gets a total GBP92; wind gets the subsidy (call it RETs) PLUS whatever they sell the power for.

    It’s like saying a Tesla Model 3 is cheaper at $7000 subsidy than a $10k Getz.

  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Calli, what is the particulate pollution like in Beijing today?
    When I was there I couldn’t see across Tian Square.
    It gets very bad on days without wind.
    I disliked Beijing, could wait to leave; only stayed 3 days.

  53. CL – I can’t understand the politics of the Electricity Crisis. I get it when the cowardly major parties won’t do the tough-sell in the national interest – because they’re afraid of the media and the polls. But how does this apply to power stations and coal? There is nothing to be gained politically by banning power stations and coal.

    The roonables racket and the “we are all gonna fry!” scam should have resulted in lengthy gaol sentences by now, if “rule of law” existed in Venestralia.

    The political nightmare for Wile E. Trumble is that he has hung his hat on RETs, the only two options to reduce prices are to abolish RETs or subsidize producers to cover the cost of the RETs. Either way he is fscked.

  54. Cannibal

    What is it called when the eponymous Alan Jones does ‘Hi Alanism’?

    narcissistic trolling ?

    Actually the Turnbull problem is he Believes.

    ….in his personal wealth.
    One day it might be revealed what ever happened to the much hyped carbon trading platform that the Oz govt was setting up back in the Krudd years. I think the member for Goldman&Sacks knows all about this.

  55. stackja

    C.L.
    #2495565, posted on September 12, 2017 at 12:39 pm

    Listening to AJ gives the impression AJ does not support the oppression of liberties.

  56. Leo G

    It’s part of the plan to destroy the Australian economy and with it (what little is left) of western/Christian civilisation.

    I suggest it’s more of a plan further to divide the Australian economy so as to sustain a new crony capitalist class.

  57. Not to mention the family investments in ACME Solar and ACME Wind.

  58. Philippa Martyr

    I could give you the names of three priests here who I reckon would marry a gay couple in church tomorrow, without even being threatened with legal action.

    One would like to think legal action would be the least of their worries once their bishop found out…such an action would be grounds for removing their priestly faculties, would it not?

    This, Roger, will be the interesting thing to watch.

    These guys won’t do it straight away, but they will let it be known that they will oblige for a needy and misunderstood gay couple. They may not even do it in church the first time – it will be at someone’s house, or garden. When they get away with it, next time, it will be in the church.

    We are not talking about priests who are exactly the stuff of martyrs here; they are more the sneaky survivalist types. This is not the hill they will die upon.

  59. Andrew

    Good find; I had forgotten that little point.

    I found it looking for that article that someone linked to recently on the resource limits to the amount of battery storage required to make a renewables world possible. I couldn’t find it. Can anyone help?

    Google “9 minutes” – that’s how much energy every battery on earth stores relative to energy consumption.

  60. Philippa Martyr

    But yes, they would lose their faculties – and then continue to perform as many gay weddings as they can, except they won’t be legal celebrants any more …

  61. I’m a lumberjack and I’ll vote NAY.

    If two homosexual brothers wish to marry, is that OK?
    Or is that incest?

  62. test pattern

    ‘How to dispose of satanic rosaries’

    Hello Father!

    ‘..the cleric made the claim on a religious radio show called Hello Father 911. According to a report on the show carried on the website of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, he said: “Listeners, be careful as the rosaries you might be using could actually be infested or cursed!” He also claimed that the rosaries were being distributed by satanists, doing the bidding of the Iluminati secret society.

    He said that the satanists had “prayed over” the rosaries to consecrate them to evil. Therefore, whoever then used them would be “followed by evil spirits.” ‘

    https://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2017/09/07/satanic-rosaries-real-says-exorcist/

  63. test pattern

    Sam Neill‏Verified account
    @TwoPaddocks

    ‘I’m asking NZ PM @pmbillenglish to immediately take many #Rohingya refugees from the most desperate circumstances. Do the right thing Bill.’

    Onya Sam. Do the right thing Malcolm!

    https://twitter.com/TwoPaddocks/status/907351063354675200

  64. thefrolickingmole

    Onya Sam. Do the right thing Malcolm!

    Because nothing says “caring” like dumping the losing side from a civil war in the outer suburbs to enrich the bogans.

  65. cohenite

    Snoopy

    #2495534, posted on September 12, 2017 at 11:50 am

    Good find; I had forgotten that little point.

    I found it looking for that article that someone linked to recently on the resource limits to the amount of battery storage required to make a renewables world possible. I couldn’t find it. Can anyone help?

    Not the same thing but the area needed for wind and solar to replace fossils is here:

    http://fusion4freedom.us/going-solar/

  66. Andrew

    One member of antifa assaulted someone with a “D” bicycle lock, a heavy steel object, for the “crime” of wishing to attend a lecture by a “non-approved” (ie non left) speaker. m0nty is an enthusiastic supporter of antifa, so we must assume that he is cool with common assault, assault with a deadly weapon, and grievous bodily harm.

    On the night Kiara Robles was assaulted at Berkeley, AntiFA bashed one man unconscious with an iron bar and then KEPT BASHING HIM. Can mOron come and provide an explanation for why one might beat an unconscious body? Other than attempted murder, of course.

  67. Blair – Two-stroke engines, the likes of which have maintained Australian lawns for generations, face obliteration under new government rules.
    Senator Cory Bernardi on Paul Murray Live: The Government’s ‘Carbon Tax … https://t.co/3o1nQYvnyh

    Oh dear!

  68. notafan

    Start building some accommodation for them at your winery then Sam Neill, you are the rich man, why do you insist on other people giving forced charity?

  69. Geriatric Mayfly

    Frame one of cartoon. Truck emblazoned with High Speed Fibre speeding towards smiling customer’s house.
    Frame Two. Delivery man presents load of prunes, figs and bran to flummoxed customer.

  70. OldOzzie

    Coal hard facts about power shore up AGL’s stance on Liddell

    The simple facts from where Andy Vesey sits are that wind power is now at least 38 per cent cheaper than coal, solar is 16 per cent cheaper and the gaps are getting wider by the day.

    That explains why Vesey is holding the line against the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s push to extend the life of an ageing coal plant.

    The market has long known AGL generates over 90 per cent of its power from coal but we are talking about future production not history.

    AGL’s marketing the future because that is what its customers want to see and those customers also happen to be voters.

    Right now, concerns number one, two and three are power prices and few care where it comes from so long as it’s cheaper.

    The maths from AGL’s perspective work like this: a coal fired plant costs $110 a megawatt hour to run.

    This compares to wind at $55 an hour plus another $25 an hour of so called firming power, which is the back-up provided by a gas-fired plant to cover the wind if there is none or if it is too strong for the turbines. A solar plant works out at $70 an hour plus $25 firming power.

    These are the numbers.

    The reason why power prices have sky rocketed is the law of supply and demand, including in gas.

    ACCC boss Rod Sims has in the past pounded the table about the evils of the big generators being owned by the big retailers including AGL.

    He has lost twice now in court on the issue and, according to Frontier Economics in work done for AGL, it actually works the other way, retailers owning power tends to mitigate price increases.

    Sims UK comrades at the UK Competition Marketing Authority concluded in its report on the industry last year “we have not identified any areas in which vertical integration is likely to have a detrimental impact on competition for independent suppliers and generators. In addition we consider that there may be some efficiencies resulting from vertical integration which may be passed through to customers.”

    The politics is equally simple, punters are hopping mad that after decades of political inaction they are paying record-high rates for their power.

    If you are a politician who has failed to make any decisions to help the punters, the convenient response is to find another villain.

    That person is Andy Vesey who certainly doesn’t help himself by unloading $1.2 million worth of stock in the middle of the political storm. Selling company shares at any time is a bad look for a chief executive but right now it is shocking.

    That said, it’s time to get the facts straight on energy policy and for some decisions from Canberra.

    From the Comments

    – Only because us mug taxpayers are subsidising the renewables industry, please spell out the truth and facts.

    – Excellent news – so we can now stop all taxpayer subsidies and quotas for renewable energy.

    – Rubbish, unreliable and inconsistency is the core problem of renewable energy, price is another story. No matter how cheap, when the sun goes down, no power.

    – The Paris Agreement, the agreement that see’s us exporting our standard of living in exchange for nearer to third world standard of living, is behind this.

    Our government negotiated a bad deal for us and should immediately walk away from it.

    – Seriously Mr Durie?

    Wind and solar are even cheaper to run when the wind don’t blow and the sun don’t shine.

    Does base load power come into the frame?

    How cheap are wind and solar if they are forced to build in baseload power into their mix?

    What a load of BS!

  71. OldOzzie

    QUT students Calum Thwaites, Jackson Powell await 18C decision

    Two former university students who were unsuccessfully sued for racial discrimination may be a step closer to finding out how the Human Rights Commission handled their case.

    Calum Thwaites and Jackson Powell, who were last year taken to court by Queensland University of Technology staffer Cindy Prior, had their final hearing against the federal Information Commissioner in Brisbane.

    As well as seeking $250,000 under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, Ms Prior also complained to the Human Rights Commissioner the pair and a third student, Alex Wood.

    That came after they posted comments on social media about the university’s indigenous-only computer lab in 2013.

    Mr Thwaites and Mr Powell later made a Freedom of Information request for files in their case, but the HRC refused their application.

    According to the HRC there wasn’t enough time or resources to sort through the many documents.

    The pair appealed to Information Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim and he found five months later that the HRC had done the right thing because there were no documents.

    The students’ lawyer, Anthony Morris QC said the case was about finding out what went on with the HRC.

    Following a procedural hearing on Tuesday, Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Jarrett said a date for decision would be set down later.

  72. cohenite

    incoherent rambler

    #2495596, posted on September 12, 2017 at 1:17 pm

    https://t.co/3o1nQYvnyh

    Just when you think they couldn’t get any stupid.

  73. Malcolm: “I promise ” wont do that thing you hate in your mouth again, this time, so close your eyes and open wide”…

    Malcolm’s “if you want your health fund, you can keep your health fund” moment?

  74. C.L.

    Listening to AJ gives the impression AJ does not support the oppression of liberties.

    Anybody who supports SS”M” is already on board with oppression.

    Just to repeat:

    Today Jones advocated a Yes vote for homosexual “marriage.”
    But he piled on five tons of fig leaves to placate most of his listeners – in the form of ostentatious concern about religious liberty.
    Whatever you do, don’t fall for nominally conservative Yessers trying to re-draw the spectrum with themselves – qua defenders of religious liberty – at the sane centre.
    They are not at the centre. They are extremist lunatics and quislings.

    You see, nobody – ‘conservative’ Yessers included – is to be believed when they say they support SS”M” but ‘also’ strict religious liberties.

  75. Dr Faustus

    The lawsuit story you linked to was from 2013. How did it end up?

    According to talkRADIO late last week, still on foot, just as it was in 2009, 2012, 2013 and 2015. The Drewitt-Barlow’s are gay reality stars/surrogacy entrepreneurs/serial litigants; they may not be pursuing their dream of an Anglican wedding too seriously.

  76. OldOzzie

    Has the Penny finally dropped on Labor?

    Australian Politics Live: Shorten turns up the heat on gas

    ‘We need more gas in the market’

    Bill Shorten has turned up the heat on the Victorian Labor government over its moratorium on conventional gas exploration, declaring policies that lock up gas reserves should be reconsidered.

    The Opposition Leader said this morning that he understood why state governments had banned fracking due to environmental concerns.

    But when asked on Victoria’s moratorium on conventional development, Mr Shorten said Australia needed more gas in the market.

    He also put pressure on Malcolm Turnbull to immediately implement his flagged policy on export control.

    “There are legitimate community concerns about fracking,” Mr Shorten said this morning.

    “In terms of conventional gas I do think we need to reconsider making sure we have got access to conventional gas supplies.

    “We need to bring gas supply into the market, no question. That’s why Mr Turnbull should pull the export control trigger, it beggars belief they haven’t done that yet.”

    The Andrews government this year banned fracking and put a moratorium on conventional gas exploration until 2020.

    On keeping the Liddell coal power plant open past its slated closure of 2022, Mr Shorten cautioned it was 50 years old.

    “If the plant can stay open and its commercial to do so that would be a great outcome,” Mr Shorten said.

    “But this is 50-year-old equipment and it has been well documented that it has a lot of costs just to keep it open.

    “It already has shortages and breakdowns now, so I think the challenge is to make sure the workforce don’t get forgotten and I think we should have just transition which ensures retraining and redeployment.

    “In the event Liddell closes we would like to see these workers given the chance to work at Bayswater (coal plant).”

    He slammed Mr Turnbull’s agreement with AGL to keep Liddell open as “all talk no action.

    “He comes out and he says ‘victory’, and then this morning AGL comes out and says they are still going ahead with their plans to close the plant,” Mr Shorten said.

    “This is classic Turnbull, all talk no action.”

    Trigger powers to limit gas exports

    Labor has called on the government to trigger its new powers to limit gas exports today, warning that businesses are at risk of shutting down or moving overseas as they face gas prices of up to $18 a gigajoule.

    “We had to drag Malcolm Turnbull and the Liberals kicking and screaming to do anything on this,” Labor resources spokesman Jason Clare said.

    “They finally announced that they would do something in April this year. He put the trigger mechanism in place in July.

    “They could have pulled it on 1 July. It’s now 12 (September) and we’re still waiting and Australian businesses are still waiting and they’re still receiving contract offers that are unaffordable.”

    Mr Clare said it “wasn’t good enough” for the Prime Minister to “criticise and harass” the Labor states for their moratoria on gas exploration.

    “If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander. Pick up the phone and talk to (NSW Liberal Premier) Gladys Berejiklian as well,” he said.

    “Apparently they’re great friends and you never hear from Malcolm Turnbull what the Berejiklian government should be doing to give us the electricity and the gas we need to power Australia.”

  77. Tom

    H/T Old Ozzie. My read of the day … because it’s jam-packed with myth-busting facts
    (Google Finding America’s lost 3% growth):

    So poor was our economic performance during the Obama presidency, with its 1.47% economic growth, that now many Americans believe 3% growth is gone forever …

    While Obama apologists like to claim that labor-productivity and labor-supply factors preclude 3% growth, most of the growth constraints we face today are directly attributable to Mr. Obama’s policies. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that labor-productivity growth since 2010 has plummeted to less than one-quarter of the average for the previous 20, 30 or 40 years. Productivity fell during the current recovery, not during the recession. With high marginal tax rates, especially on investment income, new investment during the Obama era managed only to offset depreciation, so the value of the capital stock per worker, the engine of the American colossus, stopped expanding and contributed nothing to growth.

    A tidal wave of new rules and regulations across health care, financial services, energy and manufacturing forced companies to spend billions on new capital and labor that served government and not consumers. Banks hired compliance officers rather than loan officers. Energy companies spent billions on environmental compliance costs, and none of it produced energy more cheaply or abundantly. Health-insurance premiums skyrocketed but with no additional benefit to the vast majority of covered workers.

    America without 3% growth is not America. Since 1960, the American economy has experienced 30 years with growth of 3% or more. Seventy-nine percent of all jobs created since 1960 were created during those years. The poverty rate fell by 72% and real median household income rose by $20,519. In the 26 years when the economy had less than 3% growth, just 21% of all post-1960 jobs were created, the poverty rate rose by 37% and household income fell by $12,004. With 3% growth, the American dream is achievable and virtually anybody willing to work hard can live it. Let 3% growth die and a lot of what we love most about our country will die with it.

    Needless to say, 3%+ annual growth is now impossible for Australia, with its choking regulation, bi-partisan big government confiscating 40% of the country’s wealth, government-mandated market distortion and crony capitalism.

  78. OldOzzie

    In the meantime the Greens concentrate on the Important Things in Lifehttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:gVwvOwP3QC4J:www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/australian-politics-live-samesex-marriage-debate-agl-deal-dominates/news-story/76131cdb16e969b00ff02a9c6be7a840+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

    Call to abolish shark nets


    Tasmanian Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson has used the rescue overnight of “Fluffy” the shark to call for shark nets to be abolished.

    The injured juvenile great white shark, which was named “Fluffy” by locals after it washed up on Manly Beach yesterday, is expected to be released back into the ocean after spending last night in an aquarium.

    Senator Whish-Wilson warned that the 1.5m shark could soon be killed by shark nets.

    “This is a great opportunity to raise awareness and educate people about great white sharks, which are too often labelled by sensationalist media outlets as being simply ‘gruesome killers’,” Senator Whish-Wilson said.

    “It is also an important opportunity to recognise that Manly’s shark nets, reported to be put back in the ocean nearly two weeks ago, don’t always act as barriers to sharks, contrary to popular myth.

    “While national celebrity Fluffy is due to be released soon, it is possible she will be killed shortly after her release, entangled in a shark net just off Manly beach. This is despite the fact that she is a protected species under federal environmental laws.”

    There were 26 shark attacks in Australia last year, two of which were fatal, according to Taronga Zoo.

  79. OldOzzie

    Tom
    #2495609, posted on September 12, 2017 at 1:33 pm

    Needless to say, 3%+ annual growth is now impossible for Australia, with its choking regulation, bi-partisan big government confiscating 40% of the country’s wealth, government-mandated market distortion and crony capitalism.

    Tom,

    totally agree, with the Loonies Running Australia at all levels- Federal/State/Local Government – Turdbull Coalition/Liberals/Nationals/Labor/Greens, Australia is totally screwed.

    At Local level. try being required to submit a Bushfire Risk Analysis, by “Requisite” Expert plus fees for Submission of said Bushfire Risk Analysis Report, for a Build on Beachfront in Manly.

  80. Today Jones advocated a Yes vote for homosexual “marriage.”
    But he piled on five tons of fig leaves to placate most of his listeners – in the form of ostentatious concern about religious liberty.
    Whatever you do, don’t fall for nominally conservative Yessers trying to re-draw the spectrum with themselves – qua defenders of religious liberty – at the sane centre.
    They are not at the centre. They are extremist lunatics and quislings.

    You see, nobody – ‘conservative’ Yessers included – is to be believed when they say they support SS”M” but ‘also’ strict religious liberties.

    Completely agree.

  81. old bloke

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #2495566, posted on September 12, 2017 at 12:40 pm

    Actually the Turnbull problem is he Believes.
    Shorten probably doesn’t but in a party full of progressives he’s not stupid enough to say that.

    Everything Turnbull has done has been about dragging the Liberal Party to the position he thinks is necessary to Save The World From Carbon Armageddon™.

    I’m not sure that he’s a believer, he’s a bankster who sees profits from dealing with carbon credits. I’d like to think that the man is just a fool, but I suspect that his motives are more mercantile.

  82. I am not aware that antifa has yet murdered anyone

    Excellent, we are getting somewhere.

  83. notafan

    I am not aware that antifa has yet murdered anyone

    Excellent, we are getting somewhere.

    But if they do, whoever gets murdered, will deserve it, because Nazi.

    (It only takes one punch.)

  84. notafan

    I think I meant when, not if.

  85. Mother Lode

    According to the HRC there wasn’t enough time or resources to sort through the many documents.

    The pair appealed to Information Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim and he found five months later that the HRC had done the right thing because there were no documents.

    Huh?

  86. val majkus

    John Durie writes in the Oz how coal is not so cheap as they say – has he been watching Monty Python – two of my fav comments

    toby 36 MINUTES AGO
    You dont understand what is happening so should not be commenting, ignorance like this adds to the problems we all face. For starters do you seriously believe the prices you mention?! Last coal fired power station built was selling power fhe under 40$ MW last year and the wind and solar prices do not include all the extra costs required for renewables or the damage done to coal production which is forcing up prices.

    If as you believe wind and solar are now so competitive lets remove the RET , give up on a crazy CET and let the market work out the cheapest solutions. Instead we have ignorant commentators writing like they know what they are talking about pushing ideas that are hurting most australians in right now ways. AGL’s profits are up big time since they can now rort the system more often because gas now sets the price of power 24% of the time,, rather than 9% in the past. Big renewables= huige resource use= huge environmental damage and few real emission cuts. stupidiity personified from where i sit?

    FLAGSHARE5valerieCharlesJonIanUNLIKEREPLY
    Avatar for Robert
    Robert 36 MINUTES AGO
    I think you might have left out the cost of subsidizing Wind and Solar. Should be adding back another $70 to $85 per unit. Just the cost of the renewable subsidy. Only a minor point really.

    Also seem to have blown out the cost of coal 🔥 too.

    Just minor detail though; not to worry.

  87. John64

    Mr Thwaites and Mr Powell later made a Freedom of Information request for files in their case, but the HRC refused their application.

    According to the HRC there wasn’t enough time or resources to sort through the many documents.

    The pair appealed to Information Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim and he found five months later that the HRC had done the right thing because there were no documents.

    FMD – you couldn’t make this shit up. Would even make Sir Humphrey Appleby blush.

  88. notafan

    Rivers of money have been flowing into the pockets of the ‘right’ people ever since the climate debacle started.

    Not an iota of difference to the climate but some rich people are now even richer.

    Some true believers, but mostly snake oil salesmen.

  89. OldOzzie

    For Waleed Aly and The Multi Coloured Turban Creep – Yassmin Abdel-Magied whose Religion Islam loves Women

    Woman caned over adultery conviction in sharia court

    A woman charged with adultery under sharia law has been hospitalised after receiving 100 lashes of the cane outside an Indonesian mosque.

    The 30-year-old woman, Mazidah, who lives in the conservative Indonesian province of Aceh, was found guilty of adultery by a sharia court. Her 34-year-old male partner also received 100 lashes but didn’t require medical attention.

    The public caning, which took place outside the city’s grand mosque after Friday prayers in the city of Lhokseumawe last week, drew a large crowd of observers.

    Local media reported that the caning had to be stopped several times as each of the three offenders were “screaming in agony.”

  90. C.L.

    Monty, I saw a ute go through a stale amber light this morning.
    I think it was a white supremacist.
    What say you?

  91. Andrew

    I’m pretty sure that NRL blockheads can only have sex if a team mate is watching.

    Player 2 is probably trying to learn how it’s done – doubt they retain info very long.

  92. val majkus

    this is the start of Durie’s article

    The simple facts from where Andy Vesey sits are that wind power is now at least 38 per cent cheaper than coal, solar is 16 per cent cheaper and the gaps are getting wider by the day.

    That explains why Vesey is holding the line against the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s push to extend the life of an ageing coal plant.

  93. Wasn’t Baked Alaska almost blinded by antifa? All good, according to monty.

  94. val majkus

    also from the Oz

    Two former university students who were unsuccessfully sued for racial discrimination may be a step closer to finding out how the Human Rights Commission handled their case.

    Calum Thwaites and Jackson Powell, who were last year taken to court by Queensland University of Technology staffer Cindy Prior, had their final hearing against the federal Information Commissioner in Brisbane.

    As well as seeking $250,000 under section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, Ms Prior also complained to the Human Rights Commissioner about the pair and a third student, Alex Wood.

    That came after they posted comments on social media about the university’s indigenous-only computer lab in 2013.

    Mr Thwaites and Mr Powell later made a Freedom of Information request for files in their case, but the HRC refused their application.

    According to the HRC there wasn’t enough time or resources to sort through the many documents.

    The pair appealed to Information Commissioner Timothy Pilgrim and he found five months later that the HRC had done the right thing because there were no documents.

    The students’ lawyer, Anthony Morris QC said the case was about finding out what went on with the HRC.

    Following a procedural hearing on Tuesday, Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Jarrett said a date for decision would be set down later.

    luv that bit about ‘no documents’

  95. Sparkx

    The injured juvenile great white shark, which was named “Fluffy” by locals

    Someone has got to be joking. A shark called Fluffy? Too stupid for words.

  96. Chris

    Well, John Durie IS from the New York Times, isn’t he?

  97. Tom

    Hahaha. There’s never been so much inconvenient truth:

    Investor’s Business Daily: “It’s the case whenever there is an adverse weather event. If there’s a drought, it’s because of “climate change.” If there’s flooding, climate change. Wild fires, climate change. Blizzards? Climate change. So will environmentalists credit climate change for Irma’s unexpected turn for the better? Even if that were true — and, for the record, we aren’t saying it is — environmentalists wouldn’t admit it, because the only thing that never, ever gets linked to climate change is good weather.”

    “A study published by the prestigious peer-reviewed journal Nature in April 2016. The authors found that the weather in America had actually become increasingly pleasant over the past 40 years because of climate change — winters have been less severe while summers didn’t get much hotter. As a result, the authors said, “80% of Americans live in counties that are experiencing more pleasant weather than they did four decades ago.”

  98. OldOzzie

    Palaszczuk silent over KPMG report on ballooning public service

    Queensland voters may go to the polls without knowing the results of the $165,000 taxpayer-funded KPMG report into the government’s ballooning public service.

    Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk — whose department commissioned the report from the top consultancy firm and who has overseen a dramatic expansion in the state’s public service — today repeatedly refused to say whether the report would be released before the election.

    The poll is due in late January but can be called any time between now and May.

    The Australian reported this month that the Queensland government would pay KPMG more than $165,000 to prove the state’s expanding bureaucracy and increasing cost of the public service was good “value for money” for taxpayers.

    “The Queensland government has significantly increased investment in government services,” the government’s request for quote document to the consultancy said, asking for KPMG to design a new way of measuring whether a spike in investment has led to results.

    The government asked KPMG to establish “causal links between investment in inputs, and delivery and achievement of outcomes”, and to draw insights from private sector best practice.

    Ms Palaszczuk and her Cabinet are governing from the Fraser Coast region of southeast Queensland this week, where the minority Labor government holds two marginal seats.

    At a press conference in Hervey Bay this morning, Ms Palaszczuk refused to say if the report would be released before the election.

    “Once Cabinet considers it, it will be released,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

    Read the exchange below:

    Q: “Premier, the KPMG report into the public service, you’ve said you’ll release it once your Cabinet has considered it. Has your Cabinet considered it yet and will you guarantee that will be released before the election?

    Premier: “Well, I have said once Cabinet considers it, it will be released.

    Q: “So will Cabinet consider it before you call the election?”

    Premier: “Well, the election’s not due until next year.

    Q: “Can I just get you to answer that question please?”

    Premier: “I have answered it.”

    Q: “Can I interpret that as you saying yes, you’ll release the report —“

    Premier: “I’ve said it at Estimates and I’ll say it again, when Cabinet has considered that report, it’ll be publicly released.”

    From the Comments

    – We paid severance to thousands to reduce the public service, the re-employed them, and more. This in a state with debt around the $100 billion mark. You can’t make this up.

    – This clueless Labor government massively increases spending on public servants, swelling the state pay role.

    QLD is in debt to the tune of around $80 B, and has no plan for debt reduction.

    What does the electorate not understand about the QLD Labor administration?

    – Campbell Newman cut 14000 from the public service .Palaszczuk re-employed same with more to boost the jobless numbers &placate her Union Masters

  99. C.L.

    Turnbull and Labor move to silence No supporters.
    ABC Online breaking:
    Intimidation and vilification during same-sex marriage survey could lead to hefty fines.

    They include measures to prevent vilification, intimidation, or threatening to cause harm on the basis of the sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status or the religious convictions of an individual during the survey period.

    Anyone found to have breached those provisions could incur a $12,600 fine and a court injunction. It’s understood the measures are similar to what Labor had been demanding. Both parties want this to go through Parliament as soon as possible, given the survey has started.

    We all know thugs outside churches, Fairfax columnists advocating punitive rape and gay lobby van-bombers will never be fined.

  100. I heard Based Stickman was prevented by police from wielding a stick in public, so that was fun.

  101. stackja

    C.L.
    #2495642, posted on September 12, 2017 at 1:55 pm
    Turnbull and Labor move to silence No supporters.

    Too late!

  102. Top Ender

    Don’t worry, be happy:

    Bikini baristas sue Everett, say bare-skin ban violates their freedom of expression

    A group of bikini baristas filed a lawsuit Monday against the city of Everett, alleging that two recently passed ordinances banning bikinis and bare skin — including bare shoulders, bare midriffs and bare buttocks — on restaurant employees, violate their constitutional rights to free expression and the right to privacy.

    The suit, filed in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington, claims that the ordinances, which were passed unanimously by the City Council last month, deny bikini-stand employees the ability to communicate and express themselves through their choice of swimwear, infringe on their right to privacy and deny them due process.

    “This is not about the bikini,” said attorney Schuyler Lifschultz, “It’s about women’s rights and the U.S. Constitution. The City of Everett violated these women’s rights across the board.”

    Link

  103. Rabz

    The injured juvenile great white shark, which was named “Fluffy”

    If googlery had a pet grey nurse, that’s what he’d call it.

  104. Andrew

    Ozzie, it’s the model of equalidee. Both the man and woman got 100 strokes. Very feminist.

  105. cohenite

    https://t.co/3o1nQYvnyh

    Just when you think they couldn’t get any stupid.

    I think they have a way to go.
    The political stupidity is even more astounding than the technical ignorance.
    I reckon my street averages 2 or more 2-stroke motors per household. Repeat that across AU and it is an amazing vote loser.

  106. OldOzzie

    Andrew
    #2495650, posted on September 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    Ozzie, it’s the model of equalidee. Both the man and woman got 100 strokes. Very feminist.

    Yes, noticed that TurbanHead would approve equality

    Though I did wonder who the third person was “the caning had to be stopped several times as each of the three offenders were “screaming in agony”

    NSW NRL Player?

  107. C.L.

    And for the record – whether you ever cared about the privilege or not – the reason you can no longer walk all over Parliament House as per the designer’s symbolic intentions is … Muslims.

  108. Boambee John

    m0nty
    #2495617, posted on September 12, 2017 at 1:43 pm
    I am not aware that antifa has yet murdered anyone

    Excellent, we are getting somewhere.

    Not quite, you have not yet commented on the antifa activist who bashed someone with a heavy bicycle lock (nor the one mentioned above who bashed an unconscious person with an iron bar).

    So what is your position on common assault, assault with a deadly weapon and grievious bodily harm?

    You have also not commented on your previous support for the murderers of BLM.

    Do try to address all the issues m0nty, then we might really be getting somewhere. I did say “not yet murdered anyone”.

  109. Nice try, Alan Jones.
    Today he advocated a Yes vote for homosexual “marriage.”

    Paul Murray is on the same page.

  110. cohenite

    OldOzzie

    #2495598, posted on September 12, 2017 at 1:21 pm

    Coal hard facts about power shore up AGL’s stance on Liddell

    The simple facts from where Andy Vesey sits are that wind power is now at least 38 per cent cheaper than coal, solar is 16 per cent cheaper and the gaps are getting wider by the day.

    That explains why Vesey is holding the line against the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s push to extend the life of an ageing coal plant.

    The market has long known AGL generates over 90 per cent of its power from coal but we are talking about future production not history.

    AGL’s marketing the future because that is what its customers want to see and those customers also happen to be voters.

    Right now, concerns number one, two and three are power prices and few care where it comes from so long as it’s cheaper.

    The maths from AGL’s perspective work like this: a coal fired plant costs $110 a megawatt hour to run.

    This compares to wind at $55 an hour plus another $25 an hour of so called firming power, which is the back-up provided by a gas-fired plant to cover the wind if there is none or if it is too strong for the turbines. A solar plant works out at $70 an hour plus $25 firming power.

    These are the numbers.

    That article by the journalist is a good example of why this country is going down the gurgler. The renewables can’t be compared to fossils because:

    1 Renewables have a capacity factor much less than fossils, 20% compared with effectively 100%
    2 Renewables receive enormous subsidies which are paid for by the fossils.
    3 Renewables are not grid synchronous and need much more grid infrastructure to be connected
    4 Coal and many other minerals are essential components of renewables
    5 A coal power plant lasts much longer than renewables and renewables do not include their disassembly; coal plants can be just blown up.

    Journalists are idiots.

  111. zyconoclast

    If two homosexual brothers wish to marry, is that OK?
    Or is that incest?

    It should be both.
    The question on the survey should be allow for any variation not just same sex couples.
    This is just the thin edge of the wedge.
    Judicial activism will ensure polygamy, polyamory, zoo-couples will be soon on the safe schools list of compulsory activities.

  112. OldOzzie

    Mercedes-AMG Project ONE F1 car-for-the-roads launched

    Mercedes has unveiled a $5m Formula One car-for-the-road in a spectacular preview night to the Frankfurt motor show, which opens late today Australian time.

    Project One, driven onstage by three-time World Champion Lewis Hamilton in front of an enthusiastic crowd, for the first time directly transplants the driveline from an F1 racer into a road-legal hypercar.

    Just 275 examples will be built and eight Australian buyers, who each paid a deposit of $500,000, will be among the lucky ones.

    “This is history,” said Hamilton, “I helped develop this car, this engine, so to finally see it come to light is magical.”

    He said when the Project One engine started offstage, it gave him the same grin he gets when mechanics fire up his F1 car at the start of a race.

    The Project One engine has been recalibrated for durability but is the same hi-tech 1.6-litre V6 petrol-hybrid in Hamilton’s racer.

    An electrically driven turbocharger combines with another electric motor to boost the engine, which together drive the rear wheels.

    Lithium ion cells also from F1 power two additional electric motors, not present in the race car, to give Project One a 25km range on battery power alone. They can also be used for extra performance and recharge the battery on the move by harvesting energy from the brakes.

    The two-seater was developed by Mercedes performance arm AMG to celebrate its 50th anniversary.

    The result is a car that busts wide open the unofficial competition among carmakers to wear the performance crown. Total driveline output exceeds 1000hp (740kW) and acceleration to 200km/h takes less than 6 seconds. Maximum speed is greater than 350km/h.

    Mercedes chairman Dieter Zetsche said Project One “demonstrates how thrilling hybrid technology is at Mercedes” as it works towards a goal of “zero emissions mobility”.

    “By 2022, we will electrify our entire Mercedes portfolio, offering customers at least one electrified drivetrain variant per model series” for a total of more than 50 cars, he said.

    Despite the price of Project One, which starts at Euros2.275m before taxes, demand had outstripped supply three to one.

    “At the Paris motor show last fall we showed just a vague silhouette. The very next morning, the first interested buyers were already calling AMG to place their order,” said Zetsche.

    Built in left-hand drive only, the car will have to be driven on private tracks in Australia and luxury car tax bumps out the price to about $5m.

    However, that did nothing to dampen enthusiasm among Aussie collectors, with Mercedes Australia saying it could have sold its allocation of eight cars twice over. Deliveries begin in late 2019.

    Personally would not be able to afford just the Comprehensive Car Insurance, forget the car – but one can Drool/Dream!

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    FMD – you couldn’t make this shit up. Would even make Sir Humphrey Appleby blush.

    Some time ago, a member of my family made a complaint to the Commonwealth Ombudsman about the actions of a senior public servant. The officer from the Ombudsman’s department completed his investigation and wrote what he himself described as his final report into the matter. The conclusions reached by the Ombudsman’s office were so inconclusive, that a Freedom Of Information claim was made for a copy of the final report.

    The Ombudsman’s Office baldly announced that, despite the report being described as “final”, the report had been reclassified as a “draft” report, and outside the scope of the Act.

  114. I heard Based Stickman was prevented by police from wielding a stick in public, so that was fun.

    This is the quality of monty’w commentary.

  115. zyconoclast

    Onya Sam. Do the right thing Malcolm!

    Because nothing says “caring” like dumping the losing side from a civil war in the outer suburbs to enrich the bogans.</i

    Do you think they will reintruce cannibalism into NZ. It will keep the refugee numbers in check and a free source of protein to the locals?
    Just like the good ol' days.

  116. Boambee John

    cohenite at 1410

    Renewables are not grid synchronous and need much more grid infrastructure to be connected

    I believe the technical term for this is “gold plated”. When it does not involve ruinables it is considered to be vewwy vewwy bad.

  117. The queue at the Coles Supermarket for cigarettes has disappeared and now the queue is at the Chinese guy’s van selling bags of tobacco in the car park.

    Don’t you just love government regulation?

  118. OldOzzie

    Australian Politics Live: Abbott warning over clean energy target

    Abbott on clean energy target

    Tony Abbott’s remarks in the Coalition party room were so pointed they were written down carefully and checked for posterity.

    The former prime minister began his brief remarks, at the very end of the meeting, by congratulating Malcolm Turnbull on the outcome with AGL on the Liddell coal-fired power station and agreeing with deputy Liberal leader Julie Bishop on her remarks earlier in the meeting that the Coalition stood for affordable power.

    But Abbott also sent a warning shot about the risk of embracing a clean energy target as advocated by chief scientist Alan Finkel.

    A Coalition spokesman said Abbott did not say it would be “hard to be on the side of consumers” if the government legislated a clean energy target. Abbott’s actual words, written down and checked with him, were: “If we graft a CET on top of the existing RET that will be a difficult position to sustain.” The message to the Prime Minister is clear enough.

    meanwhile – AGL“shorting” the electricity market

    Barnaby Joyce told the Coalition partyroom that AGL was “shorting” the electricity market due to its reluctance to sell the Liddell Power Station in the NSW Hunter Valley.

    The Deputy Prime Minister said AGL would make more money if the coal station was taken off the market and the government had “right” on its side in moving to keep it open, according to a government spokesman.

    He said energy was the biggest point of difference between the Coalition and Labor, accusing Bill Shorten of refusing to mention coal power because it might make him unpopular in inner city seats.

    Mr Joyce said the altercation between Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg and Labor frontbencher Joel Fitzgibbon showed the Opposition was rattled on energy.

    Malcolm Turnbull also said AGL had a vested interest in closing Liddell as the price of coal would remain high and it would bolster the company’s profits.

  119. Turnbull and Labor move to silence No supporters.

    And libertarians and centre-right crowd are still preparing to vote Yes.

  120. H B Bear

    Rivers of money have been flowing into the pockets of the ‘right’ people ever since the climate debacle started.

    Not an iota of difference to the climate but some rich people are now even richer.

    *Cough* Industry Super funds *cough* Garry Weaven *cough* Maaaaaaaate they cleaned up.

  121. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    So the government has agreed to legalise same sex marriage and outlaw free speech all in the same day.

    Well done, Liberals.

  122. *Cough* Industry Super funds

    and *Cough* Index Funds

    It seems so easy to insert a tap in the taxpayer pipeline and drain off whatever you want.

  123. Dr Faustus

    The maths from AGL’s perspective work like this: a coal fired plant costs $110 a megawatt hour to run.

    Last week the average wholesale power price in NSW (home to Liddell) was about $92/MWh. In 2015 the average price was $35/MWh.

    Either Durie is talking bollix, or AGL has completely lost control of its business costs and must be dreading the next 5 years of massive losses until they can finally shut the bastard down.

  124. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Sorry that was meant to say “legalise same sex marriage without religious protections”

  125. Mother Lode

    Someone has got to be joking. A shark called Fluffy? Too stupid for words.

    It would have been a joke. I reckon everyone who heard it laughed, until it came to the ears of Whish-Wilson, whose heart would have leapt in his chest at the plight of a poor sharkey-warkey.

    Greenies are truly the most vile, mirthless, constipated idiots on the planet. It is why they cling together, and why they hate humanity so much. And their every waking hour, without joys and diversions that buoy up the spirits of others, is spent trying to make other people miserable.

  126. Myrddin Seren

    Colour us surprised !

    Good thing for Tim he is not on a left wing hit list.

    Imagine, under Victoria’s Crimes Act,

    Grooming is a criminal offence in Victoria as per Section 49B of the Crimes Act 1958 (Vic) and concerns predatory conduct undertaken to prepare a child for sexual activity at a later time.

    The offence applies where an adult communicates, by words or conduct, with a child under the age of 16 years or with a person who has care, supervision or authority for the child with the intention of facilitating the child’s involvement in sexual conduct, either with the groomer or another adult.

    Grooming does not necessarily involve any sexual activity or even discussion of sexual activity – for example, it may only involve establishing a relationship with the child, parent or carer for the purpose of facilitating sexual activity at a later time.

    if someone else had issued a colouring book to kids in an alternate universe:

    A Senior Religious Figure has told critics to take a “reality check” over a faith-organisation funded colouring-in book featuring an image of him and a close confidante walking the pets, that will be distributed to faith-group school children in his region of religious responsibility.

    The books, which include ­depictions of places within his region of religious responsibility, will be dropped off at faith schools before the final school term next month.

    The Senior Religious Figure has ­included an image of himself on almost every page of the colouring-in books alongside a “Love is Love” logo.

    One picture features the Senior Religious Figure with his close confidente walking in the after-school shopping precinct with the caption: “SRF and his close friend enjoy walking their pets throughout the many beautiful and historic streets of our community.”

    “These resources are entirely designed to help co-religionists engage young children to become more excited about our community.”

    Graham Ashton would be on that SRF faster than Inspector Gadget.

  127. stackja

    incoherent rambler
    #2495667, posted on September 12, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    The queue at the Coles Supermarket for cigarettes has disappeared and now the queue is at the Chinese guy’s van selling bags of tobacco in the car park.

    Don’t you just love government regulation?

    Chop-chop!

  128. Dr Faustus

    To be fair to AGL, the business case for spending $500 mil in 2022 on a boiler refurbishment at Liddell to keep the plant limping along for 5 years as a peaker is probably slightly worse than buying French submarines.

    Neither Turnbull nor Shorten nor any of their spear carriers have any idea about the technical or economic issues they are blagging about. We are about 5 years past the point of no return to a stable, affordable power system.

  129. notafan

    Australians should vote no just because Apple, Qantas, AGL, eBay, Airbnb, Google, Facebooks and every other Big Brother corporate is demanding we vote yes.

  130. IT, I expect better from a Premium Content Subscription.

  131. Dr F, The approaching exodus of corporate power users will stabilize the power grid.

  132. C.L.

    The picture is hilarious.

    In the sense that the people at the top of the stairway claim to be descended from the men who formed the Labor Party in Western Queensland shearing sheds in the nineteenth century, yes it is hilarious.

  133. val majkus

    Durie is getting hammered on his figures on his expensive coal article – another fav comment

    Rodney 37 MINUTES AGO

    “The maths from AGL’s perspective”

    These are the words that show what subsidization has done to the rational behaviour of a private company. Take away the subsidies, and back in the real world, the decisions are completely different. And best still, by closing off the old coal plants, the return from the electricity market will go up as the supply of despatch able power goes down.

    and

    Bernard 54 MINUTES AGO
    So if its is cheaper and competitive, Vesey won’t mind if the RET and subsidies are withdrawn

    and another

    Anthony 58 MINUTES AGO
    Not only are the subsidies to wind and solar left out of this article, but so are the royalties charged to coal generation plants as tax for producing CO2 as a by-product.

    The capital costs of building wind mills and installing solar PV are conveniently ignored.

    Also not considered is that the the energy required to manufacture the solar PV diode array, which is a very energy intensive process, is significantly greater than the sum of the energy over time (power) these panels will generate in a lifetime of operation, around 15 years, 20 at the outset.

    In other words they generate more CO2 to produce than they save.

    and finally in summary

    Bettina 1 HOUR AGO
    yes it is cheaper because royalties on coal ( charged by State Governments) have been triple and wind and solar are subsidized through the roof. lets make it a level playing field: no royalties and no subsidies and then see what is cheaper

    how did the Fed Govt get into the business of subsidisation – Govt should just get out of the way after scrapping the RET and the CET, then stay out of the way

  134. Boambee John:

    Reminds me of the Irish joke from the 1970s troubles.

    Pedestrian walking on the border between Kartholik and Proddestant areas of Londonderry, suddenly arm around throat, pistol against head, and question “Kartholik or Proddestant?”

    Thinks quickly, the wrong answer could be fatal. “I’m a Joo.”

    Silence while this option is processed. “Sure, but are you a Kartholik Joo or a Proddestant Joo?”

    Same street, next night –
    Option being processed: “Sure, but I must be just about the luckiest Muslim in Londonderry tonight.”

  135. val majkus

    Australians should vote no just because Apple, Qantas, AGL, eBay, Airbnb, Google, Facebooks and every other Big Brother corporate is demanding we vote yes.

    which way is Samsung leaning? Are all the TV stations going to get into the leaning business as well?

  136. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    IT, I expect better from a Premium Content Subscription.

    A reminder: Subscription fees are non-refundable.

  137. val majkus

    Abbott has a way of putting things in perspective

    Abbott’s actual words, written down and checked with him, were: “If we graft a CET on top of the existing RET that will be a difficult position to sustain.

    we need a great cartoonist for that!

  138. If googlery had a pet grey nurse, that’s what he’d call it.

    No, he’d call it Hannibal Lecter.

    Oh wait, that’s his pet snake.

  139. we need a great cartoonist for that!

    CET & RET as two rugby players humping a taxpayer.

  140. Sparkx

    And if you still had any doubts about Pope Frank there’s this.

  141. val majkus

    CET & RET as two rugby players humping a taxpayer.

    Luv it IC, just think of what Bill Leak could have done with that image!

  142. Stimpson J. Cat

    which way is Samsung leaning? Are all the TV stations going to get into the leaning business as well?

    Nope. Best Korea Christian Korea.

  143. Ros

    When the shareholders bounced the executive remuneration at the last AGM of AGL there was angst at the executive getting itself performance pay bonuses for just doing their job. But the following is so wrong it must have made their eyes water,

    “Utilities provider AGL has told its shareholders that it trains its army of phone operators both to sell electricity and gas as well as assess customers for signs of domestic abuse. Call centre staff are taught to look for key phrases while talking to customers to provide clues to whether they are victims of this kind of violence.”

    They are getting phone operators to decide they are speaking to abused or abusers, and then putting them on a list, reporting them to police? A secret list, or do these poor sods have cops turning up and wrecking their lives. How do you know if you are on their list. How do you get off it. Vesey isn’t just arrogant, he is ill.

  144. Baldrick

    m0nty
    #2495675, posted on September 12, 2017 at 2:31 pm
    Cory Bernardi accidentally crashed a WA Labor ‘Vote Yes’ photoshoot in Parliament
    The picture is hilarious.

    So hilarious in fact they all want their picture taken with him:

    Cory Bernardi ✔ @corybernardi
    Always been one to run the gauntlet although they kept calling me to come back!

  145. Stackja:

    #2495667, posted on September 12, 2017 at 2:18 pm
    The queue at the Coles Supermarket for cigarettes has disappeared and now the queue is at the Chinese guy’s van selling bags of tobacco in the car park.

    Don’t you just love government regulation?

    Just noticed the Child Bride is smoking rollies.
    It’s like the bare feet to shoes to bare feet thing –
    Rollies to tailories to rollies in one generation.

  146. calli

    Just got back from Beijing Zoo, complete with panda toys for the littlies. Our taxi there was Y25 (no seatbelts and very creative driving) but coming back the drivers wanted Y100. Grrr.

    So we hopped on the subway. Fantastic, clean and cheap. Lots of people on it but all polite, much like Toyko. The ticket machines are easy to operate and all touch screen. Makes the purchase of my Opal card look like a joke. And they know how to move people – all out on one side, all in on the other.

    The day is clear, with blue sky and dry heat. Perfect.

  147. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    So google has the following on its au search page

    Make your voice count. Vote in the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey

    A simple message for google: keep your nose out of politics.

  148. And their every waking hour, without joys and diversions that buoy up the spirits of others, is spent trying to make other people miserable.

    Envirowowsers.

    To add to the Catictionary?

  149. Stimpson J. Cat

    So the question now is will Ted take the heat, blame this on an intern, or blame it on Russian hackers?
    Monty get in here!!!

  150. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Whacking off to twitter pron is very weird isn’t it?

  151. Stimpson J. Cat

    Whacking off to twitter pron is very weird isn’t it?

    He needs to own it, and join Trump.
    It’s the only rational choice.

  152. Roger

    Neither Turnbull nor Shorten nor any of their spear carriers have any idea about the technical or economic issues they are blagging about. We are about 5 years past the point of no return to a stable, affordable power system.

    Fact Check: True.

    And Liddell was always a dud in any case, plagued with problems. Keeping it going is throwing good money after bad. But what would I know? I’m just the mug tax payer whose money they’ll be throwing away.

  153. thefrolickingmole

    “This is a great opportunity to raise awareness and educate people about great white sharks, which are too often labelled by sensationalist media outlets as being simply ‘gruesome killers’,” Senator Whish-Wilson said. Shortly before going for a swim with Fluffy?

  154. cohenite

    And Liddell was always a dud in any case, plagued with problems.

    What were they?

  155. val majkus

    another couple from the Durie article

    Roderick 28 MINUTES AGO
    Hmmm … as Judith Sloan correctly pointed out recently .. the renewables sector is currently enjoying A$3billion/pa in Government subsidies on top of the costs we wooducks are paying for energy.

    And must be really tough over at AGL with the shareprice only rising 47% in the last 12 months .. and just too tempting for CEO Vesey who just had to book these gains … sshhh !!

    Anyone remember Enron ???

    FLAGSHARE12valerieBobPaulJanUNLIKEREPLY
    Avatar for Matt
    Matt 12 MINUTES AGO
    @Roderick Enron was dodgy accounting.

    This mob use distraction; Embrace renewables + storage + fairy dust, while we collect a river of gold in subsidies every year. It’s all perfectly legal and it works. The consumer and the workers all pay in the end though.

    that cartoon would have to have Blackout Bill in the background

  156. val majkus

    Roger’s given me the idea, Turnbull would have to be in caveman gear carrying a spear

  157. Roger

    The question on the survey should be allow for any variation not just same sex couples.

    That would let the cat out of the bag.

    You can be assured that when the legislation is put forward it will provide for the “marriage” of people of “non-binary gender identity”, i.e.. neither male nor female, as well as same sex couples.

  158. Snoopy

    Thank you, Andrew and cohenite. I have bookmarked these now.

  159. test pattern

    Toby’s Mob. Armed resistance at Alice Downs Kija country Halls Creek 1907

    ‘Encounter with natives known as Toby’s mob occurred while attempting to arrest natives for cattle killing. Several spears thrown, none of party injured. Two natives shot dead…

    During winter Toby and other natives have caused much trouble to police in the North-West. According to Constable Shultz’s Hall’s Creek journal, a police partv left camp on July 19, 1907, at midnight on foot, and encountered a number of natives, who, however, heard them approaching and started to run for the hills. Toby and another native then called on them to stop and kill the police and trackers, and in response several of them turned and threw spears. Toby threw a spear at tracker Negri missing him by a few inches. He then shipped another spear preparatory to throwing it. I then told the tracker to fire, and the natives disappeared in the darkness. Some of the natives may have been wounded, but I could not find any of their women to ask questions. A note forwarded bv Constable Caldow in Schultz’s journal, states that some of the natives are very dangerous characters, especially Toby’s mob. Toby has always escaped when the camp has been surrounded, and he is of opinion no that he can’t be taken. He has sent several messages into Alice Downs Station during the last six months, stating that he would kill their cattle and kill them, and the police and police boys if they came after him. This native is contintually killing cattle between Frog Hollow and Litle Panton, but as the country is very rough, he has always evaded arrest.’

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/90390831

  160. Ƶĩppʯ (ȊꞪꞨV)

    The ultimate reaction to modernism, cultural marxism and feminism. Very Long, worth a watch.

  161. Tim Neilson

    NRL hit by allegations of a sordid culture of group sex

    Rugby League is very educational.
    Every time I think the human race can’t sink any lower, a Rugby League star broadens my horizons.

  162. Baldrick

    So google has the following on its au search page
    Make your voice count. Vote in the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey

    Survey?
    Wow, thank goodness Google has alerted me. I’d never have known otherwise.

  163. Sparkx

    ANZ Bank chief executive Shayne Elliott, meanwhile, said his bank was unlikely to finance any refurbishment of the Liddell power station to extend the plant’s life, because it would not meet the bank’s environmental standards.

    WTF?

  164. thefrolickingmole

    Rabz
    #2495649, posted on September 12, 2017 at 2:02 pm
    The injured juvenile great white shark, which was named “Fluffy”

    If googlery had a pet grey nurse, that’s what he’d call it.

    No it would be “Fluffer” (look for the definition of that at your own peril)

  165. JC

    One of the classic moments of the 16 campaign. Get a load of Bill’s facial expression.

  166. stackja

    thefrolickingmole
    #2495741, posted on September 12, 2017 at 4:12 pm

    A real mouthful.

  167. cohenite

    Roger

    #2495733, posted on September 12, 2017 at 3:56 pm

    What were they?

    Here you go, cohenite.

    Ok, I was worried there for a while. This amused me:

    While Liddell could be extended beyond 2022, it would likely require careful work being done now. Ensuring the equipment – which operates with steam under very high pressure and temperatures – was safe remains critical as “any catastrophic failure would be a risk to people”, Mr Saladine said.

    Imagine that, a coal fired power station which operates with steam under high pressure.

    I knew the guys at MacGen well and still do. The Fairfax report is bullshit. I just had a chat with a former MacGen guy. Liddell has no boiler-creep which is the main problem with aging power stations like Liddell and it doesn’t have it. Hazelwood did and it was stuffed. The thing is you can upgrade places like Liddell to Ultra Supercritical standard like Kogan Creek for $1.5 million per MW or for Liddell, about $3 billion. It would take 2 years if there were no green tape. Other than that normal maintenance will give Liddell another 30 years of good service.

  168. stackja

    Sparkx
    #2495739, posted on September 12, 2017 at 4:07 pm

    NZ again.

  169. gingerbeer

    ANZ Bank chief executive Shayne Elliott, meanwhile, said his bank was unlikely to finance any refurbishment of the Liddell power station to extend the plant’s life, because it would not meet the bank’s environmental standards.

    Maybe someone should calculate the electricity consumption of the entire ANZ Bank organisation !

  170. Dr Faustus

    ANZ Bank chief executive Shayne Elliott, meanwhile, said his bank was unlikely to finance any refurbishment of the Liddell power station to extend the plant’s life, because it would not meet the bank’s environmental standards.

    WTF?

    Black-belt virtue signalling.

    There would never be a banking case to tip $500-$600 mil into a 50-year old coal fired power station to prop up a failing national grid for a nominal 5-year period while imbecile politicians played games with the outcome.

    Unless an [ahem] suitable ‘environmental guarantee’ was provided…

  171. The Deplorable Barking Toad

    thank you frollicking one for the fluffer

    you knew it would be looked up

  172. Dr Faustus

    Get a load of Bill’s facial expression.

    One thing is sure, nobody other than Bill sired the gorgeous Chelsea…

  173. Roger

    The thing is you can upgrade places like Liddell to Ultra Supercritical standard like Kogan Creek for $1.5 million per MW or for Liddell, about $3 billion.

    Assuming a new owner with the will to do it and access to the required capital investment if the plant remains essentially viable as you say, c.

    I wonder if Mr Adani could be persuaded to diversify his portfolio of power assets? Or the Chinese?

  174. thefrolickingmole

    you knew it would be looked up

    Yes but by offering you the choice of being annoyed by not knowing, and clicking on it anyway Ive absolved myself of any guilt.
    Please tell me you didnt image search it…

  175. With Lab/Lib federal and state governments fiddling with the electricity market, any major investment would be unwise. Unless you can do a quick smash and grab.

  176. Boambee John

    So having been given three opportunities today, m0nty has failed to give his position on political violence by the left. He has offered no opinion on murders by BLM or assaults by antifa members. In the case of antifa his defence seems to be that they haven’t actually killed anyone yet.

    I am left with the inescapable conclusion that m0nty supports political violence (including common assault, assault with a deadly weapon, grievous bodily harm, and even murder) as long as it is perpretated by the political left. However, he lacks the moral courage to state this. At least Blair Cottrell is brave enough to state his positions publicly, m0nty is not so brave.

  177. Roger

    …a failing national grid…

    If only we had a true national grid we might not be in our present pickle; what we have is five state controlled systems managed with varying levels of competence linked by interconnectors.

  178. Adam Bandt says coal destroying the planet and killing people

    But he’s cool with China and India building coal plants on every street corner. Apparently our atmospheres not connected to theirs. Who knew?

  179. thefrolickingmole

    If only we had a true national grid we might not be in our present pickle

    Going from past performance, WA would be supplying all the gas/coal etc and losing $1.50 for every dollar it charged the moocher states for doing so through the “GST/Save us from the consequences of dickhead policies” tax redistribution.

  180. Roger

    But he’s cool with China and India building coal plants on every street corner.

    No,no; the world is transitioning to renewables.

    Former UN climate chief Ms. Figueres assured us of that last night on the ABC, so it has to be true.

  181. herodotus

    The figures don’t lie. The Figueres, on the other hand …

  182. Boambee John

    herodotus

    Nice one!

  183. Tintarella di Luna

    Nice try, Alan Jones.
    Today he advocated a Yes vote for homosexual “marriage.”

    Paul Murray is on the same page.

    Ultimately it will be politicians making the laws in relation to same-sex marriage if the ‘Yes’ answer gets up. On the Cat the other day someone much wiser than me I said – if you trust politicians say YES if you DON’T trust politicians say NO

  184. herodotus

    Adam Bandt says coal destroying the planet and killing people

    Greens are destroying our country and it will probably result in civil war, or people killing people.

  185. Adam Bandt says coal destroying the planet and killing people

    Greens are destroying our country and it will probably result in civil war, or people killing people.

    We won’t be the first or last country as part in the war.

    Believers versus the rational. (Dogma versus Reason)

    It will be a brawl that will make the last two WWs look feeble. As soon as I get some odds, I’m tipping the believers.

  186. test pattern

    ‘Going from past performance, WA would be supplying all the gas/coal etc and losing $1.50 for every dollar it charged the moocher states for doing so through the “GST/Save us from the consequences of dickhead policies” tax redistribution.’

    Bullshit. Offshore gas is mostly in Commonwealth not WA waters. To subsidise their lifestyles Perth and Canberra are fighting over GST derived from resources stolen from the Pilbara’s indigenous peoples. No sympathy for either.

  187. Snoopy

    The Pilbara indigs are world renowned for seafaring. They used to visit the offshore gas fields every week until whitey stole them.

  188. test pattern

    P – if ur around here’s another nursing story for u

    READY FOR ANYTHING

    ‘Ready For Anything’ is the story of a young nursing sister, born in the small town of Guyrain Northern New South Wales, who in 1939 traveled to the far off Kimberley region of Western Australia to open a new Australian Inland Mission Hospital. She married a Kimberley cattleman and spent sixty-five years enduring the heat and hardships of the times, much of it on a million acre cattle station near Derby. Tales of Margaret’sendurance, wry humour and forthright manner combine to make this a believable and entertaining account of a life well spent in an outback Australia that is fast disappearing.’

    http://www.janetwells.com.au/books.html

  189. herodotus

    Refits can’t be that problematic for power stations, compared to new construction. The newer plants might be more efficient, but the old ones are still way better than the trendy Chinese crap that’s now littering the landscape and making districts into ultra-low frequency gut churners and bird slicing charnel places.

  190. herodotus

    Headline: Pilbara Indigs Indignant!

  191. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    NATIONAL BREAKING NEWS
    WA Nationals to block business hikes

    Australian Associated Press
    4:18PM September 12, 2017

    The WA Nationals say they will block measures targeting big business that were unveiled last week as part of the state government’s budget repair plan.

    The new Labor government hopes increasing payroll tax for large businesses and royalty rates for gold miners will trim net debt in 2020/21 by $827 million.

    The Nationals could form a bloc with the Liberal opposition and One Nation in the Upper House to scupper the plans.

    Breaking news, from the Oz.

  192. herodotus

    It’s not the outback that’s fast disappearing, just the freedom to be colourful, productive and somewhat non-compliant here and there.

  193. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    To subsidise their lifestyles Perth and Canberra are fighting over GST derived from resources stolen from the Pilbara’s indigenous peoples. No sympathy for either.

    Resources which the indigenous were mining, processing and exporting before the evil white man arrived. Indeed.

  194. Geriatric Mayfly

    This should put those Cats above in their place, for daring to comment on the skin tone of the looters. Crystal you may note is severely educated, so pay particular attention.

    We Can Only Aspire To Their Mental Heights
    A Harvard-educated sociology professor named Crystal Fleming – whose areas of expertise include “critical race theory” and “mindfulness and spirituality” – wishes to share her wisdom. Specifically, that we shouldn’t judge people who smash the windows of local stores and loot multiple pairs of trainers while the owners of said stores are distracted by an oncoming hurricane.
    Because white people.
    And if you don’t understand why Everything Is Racist, Including You™ and why looting local stores for half a dozen pairs of expensive fashion items is therefore totes okay, it’s “very, very sad.” You see, “white supremacist racism” is all about “hoarding resources.”

  195. herodotus

    State Labor raising payroll tax and mining royalties? How unusual.

  196. thefrolickingmole

    To subsidise their lifestyles Perth and Canberra are fighting over GST derived from resources stolen from the Pilbara’s indigenous peoples. No sympathy for either.

    Mmmmyesss because Aboriginal people dont benefit from the goods and services eh?
    And theres no onshore gas or fracking either?

    According to your weird interpretation of history Aboriginal people chose to invent nothing more than a bent stick and burn out the existing animals and forests for 40,000 years out of some deep natural knowledge.

    Thats a special type of stupid.

  197. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I just read that Lynda Carter (Wonder Woman) is an LGBT activist and a spokeswoman for Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

    Cool.

  198. Nick

    Isn’t Alan Jones our spokesman for irritable bowel syndrome ?

  199. woolfe

    The Nationals could form a bloc with the Liberal opposition and One Nation in the Upper House to scupper the plans.

    Probably blocking tax increases as they are not high enough.

  200. Geriatric Mayfly

    To subsidise their lifestyles Perth and Canberra are fighting over GST derived from resources stolen from the Pilbara’s indigenous peoples. No sympathy for either.

    And they tramped around on iron ore galore, for 40-80,000 years and no Iron Age. Diamonds too and their superior hardness for whittling sticks and the like remained undiscovered.

  201. woolfe

    Just sent another basket of my super into my usd account.

  202. stackja

    Australia had limited iron ore until Lang Hancock found more.

  203. Chris

    According to your weird interpretation of history Aboriginal people chose to invent nothing more than a bent stick and burn out the existing animals and forests for 40,000 years out of some deep natural knowledge.

    Thats a special type of stupid.

    Also, where is the compound benefit on improving SOMETHING over 40,000 or 50,000 years? We should see the house paid off, kids educated to a high standard, gardens with fruit trees, pottery, woodcarving, highly developed intellectual capital, pyramids, temples with turned stone columns, carvbed stone statues, walls, concrete, arches, tiles, bronze casting, metal refining, steel forged, sails, writing, medium of exchange such as coins, some basic notions of hygiene, spinning, knitting, weaving, dentistry, human rights, property rights, common languages, political bodies, the wheel, plate or chainmail armour, water storage, the bow, the saw, the hammer, military organisation and tactics, defensive earthworks, horticulture, domestication of grazing animals, use of animals for power in farming, and maybe even a fucking clue.
    All it takes is the basic step to improve ONE thing, ONE day, so ONE more person can make it better from that foundation another day.
    Challenge: refused.

  204. Roger

    Paul Kelly quite forthright on The Drum re the implications of same sex marriage for religious freedom as the principle issue which politicians have “conspicuously avoided.”

    Up against a chortling David Marr and a bisexual woman wearing a cross and a cassock who thinks the principle issue is rather the freedom of ministers to perform same sex marriages because Jesus loves us all!

  205. Chris

    Isn’t Alan Jones our spokesman for irritable bowel syndrome ?

    No, that would be irritating bowel syndrome.

  206. test pattern

    ‘theres no onshore gas or fracking either?’

    u idiot. And its fraccing pls.

  207. thefrolickingmole

    Hmm who to believe, Testesplatter or the department of mining?

    http://www.dmp.wa.gov.au/Documents/Petroleum/PD-SBD-NST-102D.pdf

    Maybe the Aboriginals could farm the megafauna they preserved with their deep environmental wisdom?

  208. Makka

    To subsidise their lifestyles Perth and Canberra are fighting over GST derived from resources stolen from the Pilbara’s indigenous peoples.

    Stolen? Until the white fella came ashore, the indig hadn’t even seen a fkn shovel, let alone diggers, explosives, trucks, processing facilities and the like. Stolen my a*se.

    The great fallacy of the indig and their stolen resources. If this place were still undiscovered abos still wouldn’t know how to boil water.

  209. Chris

    Maybe the Aboriginals could farm the megafauna they preserved with their deep environmental wisdom?

    Frolicking, you genius! That’s it!
    Once they get the funding from the Department of Youth, Sport, and Recreational Fetching they will be unstoppable.

  210. squawkbox

    u idiot. And its fraccing pls.

    As it is I believe short for fracturing shouldn’t it be “fracting”? I can’t see why the ‘t’ should be replaced with a superfluous ‘c’ rather than a superfluous ‘k’.

  211. Chris

    As it is I believe short for fracturing shouldn’t it be “fracting”? I can’t see why the ‘t’ should be replaced with a superfluous ‘c’ rather than a superfluous ‘k’.

    There are rather a lot of superfluous ‘c’s in that debate.

  212. thefrolickingmole

    Oh and testes, eat a bag of dicks.

    http://www.what-is-fracking.com/

    But what would the leading exponents of the process know?

  213. squawkbox

    There are rather a lot of superfluous ‘c’s in that debate.

    No, I’m delighted to see that Catallaxy’s champion of aboriginals who never developed a written language is so interested in the finer points of spelling.

  214. Gab

    u idiot. And its fraccing pls.

    Actually, it’s “fracking”.

    And it’s “you” not “u”

    And it’s “please” not “pls”.

    You idiot.

  215. Shy Ted

    New SBS series coming out, “The Family Hate-F***ers’ starring Benjamin Law. Written by Benjamin Law. All female parts played by Benjamin Law. Comedy apparently. Episode 1 introduces lead characters Ben Overanbraceyourself who is a red-blooded, foul-mouthed Aussie weakling (played by Benjamin Law) and Andre Hostie, a happily married man (in the old sense of the word) whose wife and children are completely functional (in the old sense of the word), go to work and school respectively and to all appearances live happily together. Ben notices Andre’ wife never has any domestic violence bruises and the children go to school in gender-appropriate clothes. Ben takes to Twitter to “out” them, needing help to actually depress the keyboard keys cos he’s a weakling and is immediately rewarded with his own show on SBS which no one watches.
    In episode 2 Andre Hostie and family move out (actually banished to Liberalia) and the Habibs move in. Bearded Omar and his probably beautiful and probably bearded wife, burka-clad Fatima, invite Ben to dine with them on top of a tall building and could he carry the chair and rope as their hands are full carrying the Korans.
    There might not be an episode 3.

  216. zyconoclast

    Isn’t Alan Jones our spokesman for irritable bowel syndrome ?

    for the listener or the participant?

  217. Tim Wilson printing, using his Government allowance, 15,000 colouring books featuring himself and his gay partner sure ranks up there in the self indulgence.

    10,000 going out to primary school kids in his electorate and 5,000 to the elderly.

  218. Top Ender

    ANZ Bank chief executive Shayne Elliott

    Never trust a Shayne.

    Or a Tiina.

    Or a Brettt.

    Or Darrylll.

    Or Cherrrryl.

  219. Arnost

    Actually, it’s “fracking”.

    Fraccing works too (and actually is probably better as there is no “k” in fracturing).

    https://www.ehp.qld.gov.au/management/non-mining/fraccing.html

  220. test pattern

    Actually, it’s “fracking”.

    No. I’ve told u before it’s fraccing. ‘Fracking’ is how it’s detractors, of which I’m not one, have stigmatised it.

    https://www.buruenergy.com/canning-basin/gas/

    ‘But what would the leading exponents of the process know?’

    Nothing very much about politics sadly, which is why they’ve allowed fraccing to be stigmatised.

    Buru btw is in the Kimberleys [Buru/Booroo is Nykina for Country]. There is no fraccing in the Pilbara.

    ‘And it’s “you” not “u”
    And it’s “please” not “pls”.’

    No. Not when I’m using a mobile phone

    u idiot.

  221. Chris

    My compliments, testpattern. You are very consistent.

  222. Nick

    Ch7 has an expose on child marriages in outer Sydney. Talk of brides taken overseas but shadowy shots of blond haired, Anglo Saxon schoolgirls and no mention of Islam at all. I wonder who they could be referring to?

  223. OldOzzie

    Snowy Hydro 2.0 not enough to replace coal from Hazelwood: Abbott

    Tony Abbott has claimed the Turnbull government’s Snowy Hydro 2.0 plan would not be enough to replace the loss of electricity supply from the closure of the Hazelwood coal-fired power station in Victoria.

    The former prime minister said the government would inevitably have to fund the construction of new clean coal power stations.

    Mr Abbott’s comments follow an address to the Coalition party room in which he urged that plans to adopt a Clean Energy Target be abandoned.

    “We’ve got enough renewable energy in the system already … arguably we have too much,” Mr Abbott told The Australian.

    “We are already slated under the RET to effectively double the amount of wind power in three years. We would be better off saying no more subsidises renewables … to graft a CET on of the RET is deeply problematic.

    “The Snowy Hydro 2.0 if it takes place will scarcely replace Hazelwood. Obviously we have to keep Liddell in the system.”

    Mr Abbott said it was inevitable the government would have to fund new coal.

    “The government will have to do it. The same way we are doing Snowy 2.0 we will have to do a new coal fired power station,” he said.

  224. candy

    10,000 going out to primary school kids in his electorate and 5,000 to the elderly.

    Some kind of push to make SSM known to children, as they puzzle over the 2 men in the pictures and who they are etc, and acceptable to the elderly.

    It’s a bit kinky.

  225. OldOzzie

    ABCC chief Nigel Hadgkiss broke Fair Work Act

    Australian Building and Construction Commissioner Nigel Hadgkiss has admitted to contravening the Fair Work Act, sparking fresh calls by the construction union for him to resign.

    In an embarrassment to the Coalition, Mr Hadgkiss will face a civil penalty hearing in the Federal Court on Friday.

    In an agreed statement of facts tendered in court today, Mr Hadgkiss admitted that in December 2013 he directed that looming changes to right of entry laws — that were beneficial to unions and workers — not be published by the agency.

    The Coalition won the federal election in September 2013 but the previous Labor government had passed changes to the right of entry laws that came into operation on January 1, 2014.

    Before the amendments, a union official had to follow a reasonable request by an employer about where they could hold site discussions with workers.

    Under the ALP changes, the employer was no longer authorised to give such a request. If no agreement could be reached, the union official could meet workers in their regular meal room for discussion.

    According to the statement of agreed facts, Mr Hadgkiss met two senior agency staff on December 19, 2013 and directed that no changes be made to agency educational material to reflect the new law.

    A senior agency staffer said he told another senior employee that there was a political and legal risk associated with withholding the information. The employee agreed, saying he raised his concerns with Mr Hadgkiss but he was adamant “he didn’t want us to change anything”.

    Mr Hadgkiss argued the then Employment Minister Eric Abetz has promised to repeal the amendments when federal parliament resumed in 2014. He believed the amendments would be repealed and changes to the educational material would have to be reversed.

    But the amendments have not been repealed and remain the law.

    Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union national construction secretary, Dave Noonan said Mr Hadgkiss should resign or be sacked by Employment Minister Michaelia Cash.

    “It’s a very serious matter when the regulator breaks the same laws they are supposed to be enforcing,’’ he said. “Can you imagine if the head of the ACCC admitted to breaching the Corporations Act?

    According to the Remuneration Tribunal, Mr Hadgkiss receives a taxpayer-funded salary of $426,160 a year.

    Asked if Senator Cash still had confidence in Mr Hadgkiss, her spokesman said “the matter is still being determined by the court and it would therefore be inappropriate to comment at this stage”.

    Opposition workplace relations spokesman Brendan O’Connor said Senator Cash had “allowed her regulator to intentionally operate in breach of the very legislation which he is authorised to enforce”.

    “Unless and until the Minister publicly denounces Commissioner Hadgkiss and takes appropriate action, any comments she makes about upholding the rule of law are hollow and insincere,’’ he said.

    ACTU secretary Sally McManus said Senator Cash must sack Mr Hadgkiss.

    “Surely the person who has the highest responsibility, a greater responsibility, to abide by industrial laws is the person in charge of upholding them,’’ she said.

    “If a police chief recklessly broke the law, which Nigel Hadgkiss has admitted to, their position would in untenable and there would be consequences. If a worker fails to follow workplace laws they can be sacked.

    “Michaelia Cash is calling for the sacking of union leaders — what standard will she apply to her own employee who is in charge of upholding her laws?”

    Mr Hadgkiss admitted to contravening section 503 (1) of the Fair Work Act which says a person must not take action with the intention of giving the impression, “or reckless as to whether the impression is given that the doing of a thing is authorised when it is not.

    Mr Noonan said Mr Hadgkiss admitted “his conduct was reckless”.

    “We believe the result of that recklessness is that the industry was misled on a key issue affecting workers’ rights,” he said.

    “He has taken great care to bring multiple prosecutions against unions and workers over right of entry breaches, but has failed to conduct himself with reasonable care in relation to these same laws, and in particular those parts of the laws which extend some benefit or protection to workers.

    “Mr Hadgkiss’s position as a regulator is compromised and untenable, and he should resign immediately,’

    The consequence of the direction by Mr Hadgkiss was that a fact sheet, poster and pocket guide available for download on the agency website was not changed until July last year.

    An article detailing the right of entry changes was published on the agency intranet for staff on January 9 2014.

    It said given the changes will be “rolled back in the future”, staff should only provide advice about them if specifically asked, and presentation should not include slides about the new provisions.

    On January 9 2014, Jeff Radisich, executive director of northwest operations, asked Adam Copp, the agency director of stakeholder engagement, whether the roll back would occur.

    “I thought we would be stuck with these provisions until the Senate change over in July,’’ he wrote. “If that’s the case we are running something of a political and industrial risk by withholding info on the law as it currently stands.”

    Mr Copp replied “to be honest, I do share your concerns and talked to Nigel about it last year”.

    “However, he was absolutely adamant that he didn’t want us to change anything as the government intention is to change the legislation. He said he was extremely comfortable handling it in (Senate) estimates or the media or wherever. He felt pretty strongly about it.”

    Mr Hadgkiss eventually directed the fact sheet, poster and pocket guide be withdrawn last year after Mr Noonan wrote to him in July last year, saying they misrepresented the requirements of the Fair Work Act.

    A spokesman for Mr Hadgkiss said he would not comment as the matter was before the courts.

    In the statement of agreed facts, Mr Hadgkiss admitted he had not read the fact sheet, poster or pocket guide prior to reviewing for the purpose of the current court case. Nor was he aware of their specific content.

    He admitted he had not studied the right of entry amendments or the amending act but relied on media reports and commentary at the time to get an understanding of the broad nature of the amendments.

    He said he “did not intend, believe or advert to the possibility” that an impression would be given that something was authorised by the Fair Work Act when it was not authorised.

    However he accepted that he could reasonably have been expected to have foreseen the continued availability of the fact sheet, poster and pocket guide could give the impression the pre-2014 legal position remained.

    Mr Noonan said the CFMEU has raised objections about the ABCC materials since 2014.

    “For over two years, from 2014 until the CFMEU complained to the ABCC in 2016, multiple ABCC publications on right of entry laws did not accurately describe this provision, and incorrectly asserted that union officials had to comply with the employer’s wishes on the location of meetings,’’ he said.

    “While the ABCC had ensured the correct legal position was known internally to its own staff, it disseminated incorrect information to the public and across the industry.”

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I just read that Lynda Carter (Wonder Woman) is an LGBT activist and a spokeswoman for Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

    Words fail me.

  227. vr

    I have a question for the business savy Cats. What was the rationale for the privatisation of the land titles department in NSW?

  228. OldOzzie

    And you wonder where our taxes go

    According to the Remuneration Tribunal, Mr Hadgkiss receives a taxpayer-funded salary of $426,160 a year.

  229. Geriatric Mayfly

    school kids in his electorate and 5,000 to the elderly.

    Is there something we missed?

  230. zyconoclast

    Up against a chortling David Marr and a bisexual woman wearing a cross and a cassock who thinks the principle issue is rather the freedom of ministers to perform same sex marriages because Jesus loves us all!

    I cant bear to watch the ABC. Who was the cassock wearing woman?
    Also, who was the compulsory Muslim?

  231. Baldrick

    Tim Wilson printing, using his Government allowance, 15,000 colouring books featuring himself and his gay partner sure ranks up there in the self indulgence.

    Yes, but he used to be head of the IPA, so he gets a free pass.

  232. test pattern

    ‘Stolen? Until the white fella came ashore, the indig hadn’t even blah blah …’

    And this Yankee in WA would undoubtably agree with u

    ‘The flaggellator and the triangles, on the other hand, are correctors which teach the dusky culprit that the way of transgressors is hard ; the translation of the precept he best understands, is that which leaves him with a sore back…

    The penal code of Western Australia permits of the infliction upon aboriginals of not more than twenty-five lashes for ofifences which are not punishable with whipping in the case of a European. It should be remembered by those who would be prone to condemn this differential code, on the ground that the law should be no respecter of persons, that a native does not suffer nearly so much from flogging as the European…

    .. The native from his birth has been exposed naked to the weather, so that by the time he reaches manhood, he has grown a skin almost as thick as the hide of a porpoise. An eperdimis that can resist the hottest sun — nay, that remains cool to the touch in a blazing sun that would cook a steak — is not very sensitive to the “cat.” Yet anything less impervious to feeling than the shell of a turtle, writhes under the infliction, as anyone will readily believe who has seen the hangman’s whip with its knots as hard as balls of lead. To have heard it hissing through the air, to have marked the cruel stroke, the cry of agony from the livid lips of the bound-helpless culprit, to have seen the purple blood start from the lacerated back, to have watched his mortal terror as the terrible weapon is raised again, is an experience that haunts a lifetime.’

    https://archive.org/stream/myfourthtourinwe00calv/myfourthtourinwe00calv_djvu.txt

  233. Harlequin Decline

    It looks like Jim Goad had a hand in drafting Takimag’s ‘The Week that Perished‘ .

    While celebs yip and yap all over online media about how we should be caring and accepting and embracing of the world’s huddled, shivering, worm-shitting masses, one rarely, if ever, sees them offering a spare bedroom or two to accommodate the squirming billions who seek refuge in America because their own nations are a howling testament to collective failure.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu is a swaggering, blustering, morally flatulent ethno-nationalist who enjoys the sweet rhetorical privilege of never having the mainstream press refer to him as a “J.e.wish supremacist.” For years, the Israeli state has been a-hootin’ and a-hollerin’ and blowing an ear-splitting shofar about the fact that it wants to eject the nation’s unwanted and openly despised African migrant population like a dog scratching a flea off its balls with its rear claws.

    Last week, Bibi burped about the fact that Israeli officials weren’t kicking the unwanted Africans out of his country with enough speed and ferocity. He says he has established a “special ministerial committee” to expedite a final solution for Israel’s African problem:

    The main purpose will be to return the neighborhoods to their local residents and to deport illegal infiltrators from Israel whose place is not here, just as we have deported around 20,000… [who] were not refugees. A very small number of them are refugees. They are illegal infiltrators [who are looking] to find work in the State of Israel and we have the right like any nation to guard our borders and to remove from our borders whoever entered illegally.

    In a shocking turn of events, the American press did not refer to Netanyahu as a Nazi.

  234. Geriatric Mayfly

    And you wonder where our taxes go

    He must be worth a few dollars. Hadgkiss is the mortal enemy of wee Doogie of Glasgie Toon and of ‘Mind ma tay’ fame.’

  235. Chris

    Is there something we missed?

    Not if you are elderly.

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